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Huddle Up | Discussing Jaguars Bye Week Agenda · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up. Jaguar senior writer John Osher and
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  Speaker 1: NFL network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you
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  Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguar. Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome into Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. I'm
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  Speaker 2: John Osher from the Hyundai Studios back in Jacksonville. Bucky
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  Speaker 2: Brooks after long flights, really long compared to ours. is
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  Speaker 2: back in Los Angeles and huddle up with Bucky Brooks
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  Speaker 2: We got, got a lot to talk about, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: good trip back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, good trip.
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  Speaker 3: Except for the, the L I don't like wearing that
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  Speaker 3: loss for two weeks that we're going to have to wear, but, uh, no, sure.
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  Speaker 4: It was true. Back was, was good.
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  Speaker 3: Um, it's kind of crazy going over and playing back-to-back
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  Speaker 3: games over there.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you got to do it twice, like you do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But even in that, like I was just thinking about like,
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  Speaker 3: cause people ask me, do I think it's an advantage
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  Speaker 3: being over there?
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think like, and everyone says like,
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  Speaker 3: based on the result, like, Hey, it's good or bad.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. We talked about a little bit before.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if the, same enthusiasm existed from the
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  Speaker 3: Jags side as for the others because we've done it
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  Speaker 3: so long, it felt like basically we played two road games.
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  Speaker 3: And playing on the road is hard. And I know
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  Speaker 3: we're the anyone, anytime, anyplace. But it's hard to consistently.
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  Speaker 4: Win on the road. It's just hard. And it just
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel like it was a pro Jaguars deal, the
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  Speaker 4: two games over in London.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, second felt a little– I mean, the first one was–
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was deafening, the second. But, yeah, it's– okay,
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  Speaker 2: beyond that, we're going to get into second segment today.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get into sort of general looking at
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  Speaker 2: the season overall. But there's a lot to parse through.
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  Speaker 2: Fans are still and everybody's still digesting Jaguars lost 34-31
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  Speaker 2: to the Texans in London.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of angles with this one, Bucky,
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  Speaker 2: to me. Tough finish. And when I first wrote the rundown,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a gutting finish. But I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: the game felt that gutting. There were games last year
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  Speaker 2: that felt gutting. Maybe even Denver felt more gutting than
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  Speaker 2: this one. I've been having trouble sort of defining exactly
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  Speaker 2: how this one felt, but I guess I would leave
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  Speaker 2: it like this with you. Last year coming out of
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  Speaker 2: the Rams, similar situation, 4-3 then, 4-2 now. But this
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  Speaker 2: is a different vibe. And I think Trevor Lawrence may
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  Speaker 2: have summed it up, Bucky, when he said something about
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  Speaker 2: this not being a soul-searching game after this. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it has to be a soul-searching game. There's
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  Speaker 2: stuff you got to get right. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's a look yourself in the mirror and decide what
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  Speaker 2: you are kind of game.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I think if anything, there
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  Speaker 4: was a disappointment.
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  Speaker 3: Disappointment that you didn't get it done and probably disappointed
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  Speaker 3: in the way the game played out for so long.
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  Speaker 3: I would say the strength and the most consistent part
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  Speaker 3: of the team had been, hey, we stopped the run
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  Speaker 3: and eventually we get turnovers. We did get a turnover,
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  Speaker 3: but we didn't stop the run to the degree that
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  Speaker 3: we've stopped it in previous weeks. So you're disappointed that
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  Speaker 3: we didn't play the way that we're used to playing
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  Speaker 3: on defense.
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  Speaker 4: And then offensively, I would.
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  Speaker 3: Say probably the regret of some of the calls coming back,
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  Speaker 3: bringing back touchdowns with big plays back, the holding penalties.
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  Speaker 4: And those things.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the things that this team prides itself on
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  Speaker 3: in avoiding the don't beat ourselves, like violations, like the penalties,
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  Speaker 3: the turnovers, blown assignments, some of those things popped up.
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  Speaker 3: And so you just regret that points that should be
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  Speaker 3: on the board are not on the board because of
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  Speaker 3: things that maybe theoretically that we can control.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, for people who have followed Jaguars for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, I'm not somebody who talks about officiating
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot. I typically don't write very much of
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  Speaker 2: it down when I'm taking notes on a game. I
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  Speaker 2: don't talk about it very much after the fact because
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  Speaker 2: generally I can see both sides of the coin, and
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  Speaker 2: there's always calls that go against you that fans tend
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  Speaker 2: to forget the breaks that a team gets, Bucky. And
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  Speaker 2: they remember what goes against them. And that's fine. I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody does that. But the Brenton Strange one on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: That's a big one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think you can underestimate, especially in
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  Speaker 2: the league now, scoreboard advantage, disadvantage, where you're at, affects
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  Speaker 2: play calling, affects how things are done. To take seven
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  Speaker 2: off the board, and I get Trevor made the mistake
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  Speaker 2: on third down, but the fact is it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: score in the league, and when you get one taken
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  Speaker 2: away that you designed right, that you ran right, that
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  Speaker 2: you earned, and then it's gone, that's tough to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: And you almost felt, I don't know if the team
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  Speaker 2: felt like this, but I'm sure as a fan base
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  Speaker 2: you felt like this. Oh, here we go again. I
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  Speaker 2: know what we got to do. And I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't seep in a little bit to the players,
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  Speaker 2: even though that's not their focus when it's happening. But
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  Speaker 2: somewhere it's there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there. Definitely. It's definitely there.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I can tell you it's there
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  Speaker 3: is there is this, oh, here we go again feel
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  Speaker 3: when we see the penalties. And because the only two
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  Speaker 3: penalties that I would really complain about The penalty there,
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  Speaker 3: Major Tutton should score, even in looking at the replay,
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  Speaker 3: because I was in the corner opposite of where they went. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, that was not a penalty. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: one that's a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but that was
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  Speaker 3: not a penalty. I don't know what the side judges
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  Speaker 3: or whatever saw, but that certainly should not have been
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  Speaker 3: a penalty. And then the pass interference on Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 3: down in the end zone on Nico Collins.
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  Speaker 4: That was very, very late. That's one. That's one right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough.
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  Speaker 3: And it's tough because it came from the back judge
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  Speaker 3: who doesn't have the angle. And I know he's saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he had his wrist. But right there before he there's
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  Speaker 3: a push and pull. And I can tell you as
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  Speaker 3: a defender, you're taught when they push, you pull. Because
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  Speaker 3: if that is an inherent advantage for the offensive player,
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  Speaker 3: Nico Collins is pushing off Travis Hunter. He grabs the
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  Speaker 3: arm to prevent the push off.
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  Speaker 2: I think even Nico knew on that one. He wasn't
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  Speaker 2: real theatric. I think he was just getting back to
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  Speaker 2: the huddle like, okay, I'll take this.
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  Speaker 4: Look at how far off that is.
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  Speaker 3: And so that flag came from up under the goal
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  Speaker 3: post so late.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a killer because he didn't give up a
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  Speaker 4: touchdown after that.
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  Speaker 2: It's especially a killer there, Buck, and we'll get out
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  Speaker 2: of the officiating here because there's nothing to be gained
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  Speaker 2: from it, right? I mean, I get that. But the
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  Speaker 2: thing that killed you there was situational football, which is
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  Speaker 2: so big now. They got the touchdown and they got
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  Speaker 2: the ball in the first part of the second half
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  Speaker 2: and went from without the Jaguars touching the ball, they
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  Speaker 2: lost 14 points. All of a sudden they're down 10
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  Speaker 2: instead of being up four. If you stop them for
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  Speaker 2: the field goal there, then if they score to start
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  Speaker 2: the second half, then it's only eight. And that feels
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  Speaker 2: less uphill now. the way the game is played now
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  Speaker 2: because it's such a momentum situational game now. Maybe it
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  Speaker 2: always has been, but it just feels like it really
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  Speaker 2: is now. So I thought that call, when you score
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  Speaker 2: a touchdown with 50 seconds left like the Jaguars did,
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  Speaker 2: you maybe expect the ebb and flow to be three
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  Speaker 2: coming back, but you don't expect it analytically to be seven.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that really hurt. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It really hurt, but I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: Since we're off the officiating, you can't give up a
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  Speaker 3: 51-yard pass right away.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you can't allow them to throw it right over
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  Speaker 4: your head. A bomb.
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  Speaker 2: At the start of the game.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was the start of the game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was right after we had the, whatchamacallit,
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  Speaker 3: right after we scored. I think they throw the big
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  Speaker 3: post to Noel over the top of Jarnion Jones. They
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  Speaker 3: catch us in a quarters beater. They take the safety
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  Speaker 3: out by having the number two receiver, like, run away.
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  Speaker 4: And then, one, that's a hell of a throw.
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  Speaker 3: But this right here, where they flip the field and
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  Speaker 3: those things, like those are the things that really come
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  Speaker 3: back to hurt you, like the big plays.
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  Speaker 2: That flips the game back toward them. Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just puts you, man, like, and it's just
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  Speaker 4: like coverage is solid.
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  Speaker 3: But, man, we just can't have those big plays that
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  Speaker 3: we're not allowing.
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  Speaker 2: Got to make the play on the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it leads to a P.I., then it leads to
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown. And that sequence, that sequence was critical. And
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  Speaker 3: then there was another sequence where, look, we're off the field,
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  Speaker 3: but we have 12 guys playing. On the field, on defense,
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  Speaker 3: we extend the drive.
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  Speaker 2: We give them more points.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just these little things that for a team
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  Speaker 3: that early in the year had really thought that we
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  Speaker 3: had solved the penalty issue, the penalties and some of
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  Speaker 3: the blown assignments, the mental errors, those things are coming
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  Speaker 3: back to really bite us in critical moments.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we've already started digging deep in the game, but
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you one general question. uh it
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  Speaker 2: still feels to me i think this is a positive
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  Speaker 2: uh through six games like this team is meaning the
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  Speaker 2: jaguars still figuring itself out meaning if you think of
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  Speaker 2: it like a garden it there's still some stuff growing
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  Speaker 2: that's really potentially very cool meaning okay now all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden you've gotten something out of work at your
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  Speaker 2: Now you're starting– I feel like you're starting to find
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  Speaker 2: the running game, meaning Tootin' and Rodriguez. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they've hit their ceiling yet. You've got the
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  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter element. You put BTJ aside for the second
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  Speaker 2: half of that game the other day. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that as a criticism toward him, but I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: they're figuring out what's working and what's not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've emphasized in this show for a long time, first
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  Speaker 2: six or seven games are about figuring out what you
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  Speaker 2: are and then you turn on the burners and go.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel like that's what they've done to a
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  Speaker 2: degree and they're getting closer to what they want to be?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. It feels like that. And, you know, it's so
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  Speaker 4: weird to think about that.
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  Speaker 3: Football season is a marathon, but you spend the first
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  Speaker 3: part of the year, okay, figuring out who we are
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  Speaker 3: and then how we have to play. Because you're going
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  Speaker 3: into the year thinking, hey, I want to play like this.
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  Speaker 3: Then when you get midway through the year, you say, oh, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: we have to play like this.
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  Speaker 4: We're at that point. And the bye week, and let's
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  Speaker 4: think about this, like going back to last season. Sure.
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  Speaker 4: How good was this team after the bye? And why?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a really good team because the self-analysis and
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  Speaker 3: the self-evaluation allow Liam and the coaching staff to pivot
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  Speaker 3: and to make sure that they always play to the
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  Speaker 3: strengths of their personnel, the strengths of the team, and
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  Speaker 3: that they played a certain way that allowed them to
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  Speaker 3: master the biggest deficiencies while accentuating their strengths. Well, this
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  Speaker 3: week is a week of reflection where you dig into
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  Speaker 3: the tape, you dig into the playbook, and you try
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  Speaker 3: and find, hey, what are the best things that we're doing?
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  Speaker 3: And how many different ways can we do those best concepts,
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  Speaker 3: those best things to make sure our.
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  Speaker 4: Guys are comfortable?
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  Speaker 3: Who are the best players running some of these best things? Well,
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  Speaker 3: let's make sure we have the best players running the
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  Speaker 3: best plays.
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  Speaker 4: That work for them so we can maximize our output.
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  Speaker 4: That's what this week is.
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  Speaker 3: And if we do this right, potentially coming out the break,
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  Speaker 3: you would expect us to go on a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a run to kind of separate from the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the pack.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get into one thought specific on both
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  Speaker 2: sides of the ball from this last game, and then
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into the general season in the next break.
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  Speaker 2: Good day in the red zone, Buck, except for the interception,
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  Speaker 2: which you can't say except for the interception because it
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  Speaker 2: costs you seven.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Better, I mean, it feels like that red zone day
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  Speaker 2: is what this team is more often than not. And
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  Speaker 2: I still think that bodes well for what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's 12 out of 18 possessions, touchdowns in
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  Speaker 2: the red zone this year. Overall, it's pretty good. Or
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  Speaker 2: it's outstanding. It's not pretty good. It's outstanding.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I will say this. I have a tremendous
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  Speaker 4: amount of respect for Liam, one, as a leader. as
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  Speaker 4: a head coach but.
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  Speaker 3: Man his his play design his play calling acumen is
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  Speaker 3: next level in terms of how he creates and exploits
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  Speaker 3: mismatches and find ways to put the ball in the
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  Speaker 3: paint the little play they ran with travis hunter having
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  Speaker 3: him run an angle route out of the backfield just
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  Speaker 3: a subtle creativity that they utilize to score touchdowns is
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  Speaker 3: really significant that's why you're so mad when you don't
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  Speaker 3: get to put that Bejo Tootin touchdown on the board
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  Speaker 3: because that was another creative play when they run the
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  Speaker 3: toss sweep and those things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that part has been good.
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  Speaker 2: They really went five for five in the red zone,
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  Speaker 2: didn't they?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's be honest.
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  Speaker 3: Number 16 is playing so much better in the red
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  Speaker 3: zone than he had in previous years. Going all the
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  Speaker 3: way back, I think it was a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos game where he would turn it over in
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  Speaker 3: the red zone, and there was a period there, particularly
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  Speaker 3: under Doug Peterson, where he.
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  Speaker 4: Would turn it over in the red zone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you held your breath.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, now.
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  Speaker 3: Fully comfortable and confident with the ball in his hands,
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  Speaker 3: him making decisions. And we say this, the great quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: understand when to shift from game manager to playmaker, and
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  Speaker 3: they can do it within a drive from play to play.
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  Speaker 3: He has a great feel for that right now. You
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  Speaker 3: see him take off and run. He's like, okay, I
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  Speaker 3: need to get the first down.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get down. Oh, I need to play, so I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to make a big play.
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  Speaker 3: He really is coming into his own, and as a result,
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  Speaker 3: this offense is looking not only more dynamic and explosive,
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  Speaker 3: but it's really just kind of fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point because you can kind of
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  Speaker 2: lose that if you want to step back from it
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  Speaker 2: and forget. Big picture, this is a fun offensive watch.
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  Speaker 2: Final thing before the break. Talk to me about the
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  Speaker 2: field surface. It's been a huge topic. I think Liam
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  Speaker 2: did a nice job addressing it this week twice, not
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  Speaker 2: sounding like sour grapes necessarily. He didn't say it cost
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars the game at all, but it affected things.
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  Speaker 2: After you step back from it, and start studying numbers
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  Speaker 2: and how the game went, it affected pass rush to
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  Speaker 2: a great degree, Bucky, I thought, on both sides. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought it affected the entire game. You were on
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  Speaker 2: the field. Just break that down.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, anyone who was watching the game, you
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  Speaker 3: have to look no further than seeing the official slip, fall,
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  Speaker 3: and pop a quad.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're not even a minute into the game,
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  Speaker 4: and the.
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  Speaker 3: Official is carted off because of he slips on the surface,
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  Speaker 3: falls down, and pops a quad.
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  Speaker 4: Liam pointed out to me that if you go back
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  Speaker 4: and look at the London games in.
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  Speaker 3: That stadium, they're more high scoring because no one can
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  Speaker 3: gain their footing. You can't rush the passer. Field level,
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  Speaker 3: I would tell you, pregame, it rained. And there were
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  Speaker 3: other times it rained. The surface was already slick due
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  Speaker 3: to the moisture that was in there. But then you
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  Speaker 3: had that quick rain in the first quarter that impacted it.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if it ever recovered. They couldn't
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  Speaker 3: squeegee it out. It was just kind of wet and moist.
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  Speaker 3: And you could just tell that, look, it's one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Hines-Allen, Trayvon Walker. There's another thing when Daniil Hunter
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  Speaker 3: and Will Anderson and the four of them combined to
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  Speaker 3: do really nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, five pressures the whole day for both teams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that right there tells you.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it became a past skeleton period, a seven-on-seven
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  Speaker 3: period where it was the quarterbacks just kind of throwing
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  Speaker 3: against air. And what it made both people, both teams do,
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  Speaker 3: you had to bring more pressure. So now when you
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  Speaker 3: bring more blitzing, it leads to more big plays. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: felt like both teams, particularly the Texans, You look at
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: their blitz.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Race, they're way out of pocket.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: That's not how they normally play defense. We can kind
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: of toe that line, we'll blitz some. But, yeah, because
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: you couldn't generate pressure with your front line, you had
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: to use more blitzing.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: When we return, we're going to look at the bye week.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to look overall at both sides of the
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: ball a little bit on Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: And so you never want to lose, but I am
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: glad that we're able to respond. in terms of the
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: mental toughness of the group when it's not perfect or
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: everything's not going exactly according to plan and they just
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: keep playing their tails off. And there's situational football, things
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: that pop up, clock stuff, all this stuff that we
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: have to continue to learn from.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm John Ogier, and you can hear that full Media
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: availability from Monday on Jaguars.com or on the Jaguars YouTube channel.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And once again, you know, as always, very indicative from
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Liam on exactly how he feels about the team and
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: always very forthcoming, always worth listening to him when he speaks.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: We sort of covered that topic, Bucky, so we'll move
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: on to overviewing the season a little bit. Jaguars offensively.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: You talked a little bit about Trevor. I don't think
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: right now we can talk enough about Trevor. And it
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: seems to me, Bucky, that almost without us realizing it
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: or emphasizing it, certainly he's not emphasized as much nationally
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: or even locally as I would have maybe expected. I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: not sure there's any question anymore. He's one of the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: best four or five quarterbacks in the league. I mean, he's...
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm knocking on whatever this surface is made of here, wood,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: there's going to be bad games. There's going to be hiccups.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But the floor has raised significantly on this kid.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. When you look at those numbers, that's remarkable.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Just how, I can't even say hot, how well he's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: playing right now.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Right, it's not hot anymore.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: He's not hot.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: He is what he is.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And I think that's the The expectation.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And look, it's the synergy between the play caller and
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the playmaker.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen has done a great job of setting him
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: up for success.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: This offense has changed to really fit what Trevor Lawrence
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: does really well. We talk about how we are dominating,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: crushing teams right over the middle of the field. How
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: many times can we throw inside the numbers over the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: middle of the field to Brett and strange Parker, Washington.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: You think about Jacoby Myers, everyone that is doing work
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: over there, even Travis Hunter coming in and doing work. They're,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Dowling it up and then having enough of a running
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: game where it's not all of the pressure on the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: quarterback to have to play well for this offense to move.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: As you just think about it, and I'll be honest
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: with you, think about how well the offensive line is
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: playing and it's been a bit of a patchwork situation
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: because of injuries. The sky's the limit, barring injuries, on
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: how good this offense can be. And if the defense
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: continues to hold serve and do what they're doing and
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: maybe even up at a notch when it comes to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: disruptive plays, pass rush, sacks, and those things, I mean,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: we're talking about a top two, three team in the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: AFC and really a team that has a legitimate possibility
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: of representing the AFC in the Super Bowl.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Like, that's how good.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: This team is and can be because when you go
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and you look at all the teams that we've played,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and look at the composite of what they've done against
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: other teams, there's no way that you can't talk about
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars being one of those teams that is a
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: legitimate contender.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to dive into the running game a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: little bit before we move on to the defense because historically,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and I get that we're in, it has to happen now,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it has to happen every week world, but historically, good
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: running teams... keep getting better and keep getting better. And
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it's often not dominant in the first three or four games.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: But the pieces in place, and I'm not sure I've
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: seen a Jaguars team in the time that I've covered it,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: maybe ever, but I'm not going to say this is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: going to be the best running team they've ever had,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because Fred and Mojo sort of own that in some years.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But it might be the most physical team the most playoff-y,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: go to cold weather and run hard. I'm not sure
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: there's ever been a Jaguars running game that has been
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: this physical. How good can this running game be? Because
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it feels like it just sort of keeps getting closer
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and there's more to like each week about it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's beginning to really pop. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I think Chris Rodriguez is doing a great job complimenting
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Bejo Tootin as whatever you want to call them, one-two punch.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: They have the physicality because Rodriguez is running hard and
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: tough in between the tackles. Same thing with Tootin, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Tootin has more explosiveness. They're finding ways to get it done.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: And when you think about the formidable fronts that this
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: team has faced through these six games, you think about
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: what Dexter Lawrence and Jonathan Allen brought with the Bengals.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Think about the next week having to deal with Jalen
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Carter and Jordan Davis. And then last week, a really
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: good Texans front.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And they've never been stuffed. I don't mean to interrupt you,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: but they Sometimes teams get stonewalled in the running game.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's not unusual even for good running teams to get stoned.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: This team hasn't gotten stonewalled.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: No, they haven't.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, even going back to the Denver Broncos, how
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: they ran the ball effectively against them. Being able to
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: run the football has been something that will continue to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: not only balance out this offense, but make it more explosive.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: As teams wear down, down.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: The stretch, and you're able to impose your will running
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and then be able to complement it with play action
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: passes or other passes on the perimeter. This offense now
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: will be, it looks like it has the potential to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: be able to control the game.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Meaning we can force people to play on our turns.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: We can speed it up.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: We can slow it down because we can run it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Controlling the game is everything. And Liam certainly wants to
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: be able to control it with his offense, which is
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: why he gets so disappointed when we don't finish games
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: out on offense, because this offense is the one that
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: should be able to control the game.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to move on to defense in a minute,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: but have to talk at some point about how this
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: wide receiver core is going to look moving forward. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: really like the kid with BTJ struggling. Didn't play the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: second half on Sunday. It's a thing. A couple of,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I thought, really important drops or missed opportunities, however you
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: define what happened. I guess I'm just throwing the subject
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: open to you. What do you do?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: It's tough, man, because my heart goes out for him
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: having suffered through similar situations, even down in Jacksonville. Not
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: necessarily a wide receiver, but as a kick returner, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: had a tough time holding on to the ball, catching it,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: feeling it. And the harder you work at it, the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: more time you put in it, it just doesn't click.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I equate it to like many of us that listen
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to the show play golf. And you're just having a
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: series of rounds where you just can't get out of
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: your own way.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: And it's not physical. It's not anything that you're doing mechanically.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's just, you're just having a tough time continuing to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: build confidence in the things that you've done successfully.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Years on end. And that's where he's at right now.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And the lack of confidence comes out in the body
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: language that you exhibit and also in the mechanics that
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you're using to do things that should be simple tasks.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And so when I look at him and the way
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: that he's fighting, catching the ball, It doesn't stem from
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a skill standpoint.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: It's all a confidence thing right now. And only he
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: can work through that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Like no matter how much coaching or how much other stuff,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: whether you bring only he can work through that. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you hope that he makes a big catch and that
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: allows you to kind of build on it. But for lately,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: it just hasn't happened for him. And at some point
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: as a coach, when you're standing in front of 53,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: really 69, you have to be, about what.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: You say you're about.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And if you say that you're about competition and performance
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: and production, at some point when guys are underperforming and
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: not producing, they have to step aside and you have
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to let other guys have an opportunity to produce in
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: those roles.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back in a moment with a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: deeper look at the Jaguars' defense. This is Huddle Up
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: with Bucky Brooks.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: They were able to work that jumbo a little bit.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: I thought their backs made some good cuts. We missed
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: some tackles, right? And so as a coaching staff, you
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: look at, okay, how can we continue to help provide
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: answers throughout the course of a game for some of
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: those things? And also our play style has to show
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: up each week.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It just does, right?
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Like getting off blocks, playing violent, swarming around the football
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: and doing some of those things, which I'm not saying
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: we didn't do all game. I know it showed up.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: It was just, yeah, we got more runs on us
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: than normal. And that's something that we take pride in.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: It's one of the pillars of our defense. But when
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: you get the ball thrown over your head at times now,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: that allows for the whole playbook to be open as
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: an offensive play caller. And those are some of the
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: things that showed up. So, yeah, it definitely wasn't our standard.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: That's for sure.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: defensive coverage of the game presented by GEHA, Government Employees
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Health Association, benefits for federal employees and retirees. And, Bucky,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: there was a lot in that answer. We kind of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: let it go a little longer than usual for a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: sound bite like that, but I thought there was a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: lot in it. I think it's important because, look, one
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: game does not a whole season make. I think we've
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: seen enough from this defense over the course of, what,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: 23 games under camp to know what it is. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be... It looked to me like
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: what Liam said. The run defense was doing okay, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: then it got hit over the top a couple times
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and then gave up the 125-yarder. I still think it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: going to be a very, very good run defense. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: think the foundation of what this defense is is still there.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I kind of think it goes back to what we've
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: been talking about. You got to get to the quarterback
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: in key situations, which was hard the other day, harder
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: than usual, and then you can't have that many explosives.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Look, man, it's one of the things that I'm obsessed
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: with in tracking. There's a direct correlation in the National
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Football League between big plays, explosive plays, and points. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: those explosives are runs over 10 yards, passes over 20 yards.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: If you look at any box.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Score, if you check the play-by-play grid, if a team scores,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: typically there's been one or more explosive plays in that
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: drive that really leads.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: To the scoring. It's true for us on offense. It's
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: true for other teams.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And so in thinking about the defense and what Liam wants,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: He wants what we call organized chaos or aggressive conservatism,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: where we're aggressive, but we want to make sure that
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: we don't let the ball go over the top. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: in that game against Houston, we saw way too many
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: explosive plays, right? I wrote down Jalen Noel may have
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: had three by himself. He went over the top on
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: a 51-yarder. Early in the game, we saw Nico Collins
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: have a 42-yarder on Travis Hunter. We saw a 34-yard
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: catch and run from Noel. And then there was a
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: touchdown on a stop and go that was right at
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the line that might have been like 20 yards.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: For a score.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: The only way to play great defense is you've got
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: to limit the explosive and make people drive the length
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: of the field. The Jaguars have been so good at
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: turning the ball over because they make you keep having
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: to come up to bat. You have to keep taking cuts.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: They don't allow you to get the three-run homer. They
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: make you bunt and advance the run and do all
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: those other things to score.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: When we don't do that, it makes it really, really hard.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And as Liam talked about, when you give up the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: explosive plays, it opens up the playbook for the opponent
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: and it's hard to defend everything in this league.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: The other guys are too good. Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So you, I mean, it sounds like you're a big proponent,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: whatever you have to do to bend, but don't break.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's harder to do that than it is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to write it down on the whiteboard before the game.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Like it's easy to say, don't give up big plays. Well,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you could do that. You wouldn't do it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Um, And so here's what you talk about, right? You've
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: seen it in a few different integrations in Jacksonville and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: other places.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: That you've been. For us, right, it's the moan and
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: groan of the crowd when.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: They see people catch the ball underneath and, oh, my God, play.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Tighter, play tighter. And it's the dilemma.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And I go back to the offseason where they talked
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: about the risk-reward situation.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Because the big thing, and.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I remember Brian Sexton talking about it, like doing our
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: preseason game coverage about sticky coverage and being stickier. Well,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: the thing about it, if you want to be tighter
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and you want to be closer, you got to be
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: willing to give up more plays. If you want to
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: take away the big plays, you.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Got to back off.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: You got to be a little more conservative and concede
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: some of the underneath things.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Which world do you want to live in?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And we've seen in our world, we are better when
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: we keep the ball in front and then we find
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: a way to turn the ball over in the red zone.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: tips and overthrows and those things. But it's hard to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: live in both worlds.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: You always have to be patient. And it's hard.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And at some point you have to make a decision
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: on what you want to do, but you also have
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to be able to look at your personnel. So that's,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I think where we're at. If you look at our personnel,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: are we better in man to man? Are we better
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: in zone? If we're good in zone, are you.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Taking away the strengths of some of your players like
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter or whatever?
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: If we're in man to man, are we exposing our
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: guys to, in situations that may not be best for
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: their skill set. So how do you manage that, the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: talent and the tactics?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: That's a big deal for the Jags right now.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Final question before we go into our final segment. All
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you hear from Jags fans, and I get it, Josh
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and Trayvon, pressure, pressure, pressure, sack, sack, sack. I think
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it's a hard discussion this week because clearly over the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: course of six games, It has to be better. It
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: was pretty non-existent the other day, but it was also
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: non-existent for both teams. So two things can be true, right?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Like the other day wasn't really in anybody's control, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: don't think. But overall, just assess those two guys. Give
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: me a rundown of their play so far for the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: fans who just think it's awful, awful, awful, which it's not.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: No, it's not awful.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And I would say this, as much as we're putting
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the pressure on two, to be a good pass rushing team,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it takes three or more guys to be able to
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: get it done. Right now, we're so heavily dependent upon
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the edge rushers to be able to get home. But
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: what you need to balance out the pass rush is
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: someone on the interior to do it. Whether that's Eric
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Armstead or somebody that's playing on the inside, somebody has
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to be able to command attention. So now one of
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: those guys, they don't get double teamed or they don't
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: get chipped or you have to change the way that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: your protection is is deployed.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, like, ideally, because we talked about coverage, pass
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: rush and coverage work together.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: If you're going to be a team that is a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: little more bent but don't break in the back end, well, man,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: you got to be better at winning up front with four.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: If you can't win with four, now I got to
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: take one guy out of coverage and I got to blitz. Well,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: if I do that, now my guys in the back
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: end are more exposed because we don't have the full
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: complement of players to help in coverage. And right now,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: neither group they're not playing well enough consistently to be
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: able to settle in. And so over the bye week,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: we have to figure out what works for us coverage-wise,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: what works for us with a pass rush plan, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: find ways to put our guys in the best situation.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And I think, again, the big picture there is that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you're still, from a 30,000 feet view, talking about a
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  Speaker 2: team that's allowing less than 20 points a game.
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  Speaker 4: So here's the thing, and I was going to say that.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: So here I am.
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  Speaker 3: Here I am basically critiquing or complaining about a defense
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that has been number one against the run, a defense
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  Speaker 3: that is holding upon us to under 20 yards. At
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: one point, like coming to this game, I think we're
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: right at 18. I'm going to tell you right now,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: like most teams that lead the league in scoring defense
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: are right around 17, 18. So they're right there.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: And so here we are.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Complaining about, like, pass rush and corners and play style.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: And what can we do and da-da-da-da. And so we're
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: not that far off.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: It's just about tightening up the details.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And that's why there's so much or there should be
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: so much confidence in this team's potential to do things
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  Speaker 3: that we talk about dreaming of doing. This team has it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of putting it together.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: When we return, we'll take a quick look at the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: AFC South and close the show on Huddle Up with
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 5: I was pleased with the offense's response yesterday in a
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: lot of ways. You know, to move it effectively throughout,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: never really felt like we were just static or couldn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: move it. And so they should take confidence from some
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: of those things yesterday. And six games in, I've been
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: very pleased with Trevor Lawrence.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 34:42
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  Speaker 2: auto group, go to fieldsauto.com. And Bucky, in his comments
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: on Monday, talked about Trevor twice very specifically like that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he ever didn't believe in Trevor Lawrence,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: but pretty clear to me that that belief just grows
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: and grows and grows the more he sees in real time.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: You can believe in a guy, but when he shows it,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That's a different thing. So before we go into... I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: think we'll talk about Trevor here in a minute before
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we get out. I want to ask you about the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: last sequence where Liam kicked the 60-yard field goal. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I only ask because I've gotten tons of questions. We
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: don't talk a whole lot about game situations because I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a big believer that if the call works, it's a
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: good call. If it doesn't, it's a bad one.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: So.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it's always hard to second guess. But in that situation,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I thought Liam was maybe a little bit in no
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: man's land on making like the quote unquote right call.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That's a tough spot he was in.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really tough spot. But I give him so much
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: credit for making that call.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And the reason why is I was sitting there and
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I was thinking like, man, I'm looking at Cam little
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: kick and Cam little wanted the opportunity to knock it down.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about where we are in the game and
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: where the ball is. And I'm like, man, this is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: a great shot to be able to get it done,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: knowing that you still need your defense to find a
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: way to get a stop. But the confidence and the kick,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the execution was great. What didn't happen is you didn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: get what you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Needed to be able to win the game.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I felt like because you had bypassed some opportunities early
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: at that moment, you needed to make sure that you
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: tied the game and maybe give yourself a shot to
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: go to overtime as opposed to all or nothing at
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: that point.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: So look, I'm with it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It didn't work out the way that we wanted it to,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: But I certainly feel great about how Liam made the
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: decision and how they really trusted the kicker to kind.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Of get it done.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Because Liam, in his presser on Monday, did say, he goes, look,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: there's another side of it. I'm paraphrasing a little bit,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: but that, okay, even if you kick, you got to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: get a stop either way. A lot of fans have
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: brought that up too. And I see that side of it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I just kind of see in the moment, I can
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: kind of see how either one would be an option
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that you lean toward as a coach, meaning I wouldn't
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: have been surprised had he gone for it. On fourth
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and four, I could have seen the logic. And then
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: he said, okay, on fourth and four, they might go
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: down and get a field goal, now you need a touchdown.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I guess my point is, in that situation... If you
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: don't make it, everybody says, well, he had to have
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: gone for that. It was the wrong call. There's not
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: always a right or wrong call in that situation. Sometimes
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: you've got to make the call and have the defense
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: go out and get a darn stop, if you will,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: or vice versa.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you've got to have your players bail you out.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you just want your guys to find a
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: way to bail you out.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: And if they do, then you look like the hero.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately for us, we didn't get it done And
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: so we weren't able to fully take advantage of like
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Cam Lotto's long distance prowess or those things. But I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: think what it does do is it sets the table
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: for the next time you're in that instance.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: You feel good that you got a kicker that can
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: knock it down from 60 under pressure. Like that's the
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: one thing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: 60 yards under pressure is different than, hey, let's end
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: of half, let's take a shot. Game is on the
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: line and he nails it. So I think it, look,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I think it bodes well for the future. We just
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: kind of figured out going forward.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Final thoughts, the Jaguars lead the division 4-2, two
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: games ahead of the Colts and two games ahead of
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the Houston Texans. It feels like the Texans are going
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to be a team capable of doing what they did
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: last year. They're going to put pressure on the Jags,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: but having a two-game lead is a big deal. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's that much more to say
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: about that. Two final thoughts, Bucky. Give me your defensive
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: MVP so far. Whew.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Defensive MVP, that's tough, man.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I think in a way I probably have recency bias
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: if I name Travis Hunter. But I'm going to say
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the guy that shows up a ton has been Ventura Miller.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Ventura Miller has shown up a lot defensively in terms
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: of being in the midst of making plays and kind
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: of doing some of those things. So early I'll give
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: a defensive MVP to Ventura Millick, but I feel like
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter's coming with a bullet.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Well, and very quickly, because we're going to get out
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: of here in a second. Travis Hunter, it's almost like
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: there's not too much more to say about him because
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: everybody talks about him all the time. But you said
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: upon draft day that he was going to be a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: make a play in the moment, make a play on
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the ball, not necessarily always a take away the entire–
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: side of the field or whatever. He's showing that and
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: talk about what that can mean for a team.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think one of the things that was
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: not talked about because there were so many things in
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: this game is the first time we saw Travis Hunter
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: shadow a prominent player. He went to Nico Collins' side
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: this game extensively. Field, boundary, wherever 12 was, he went
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: to that side for a bulk of the game.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Secondly, he's a playmaker. He is a guy that is
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: a see-ball, get-ball player. He has things that you can't
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: coach or teach. His innate ability to get around the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: ball is special.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And you've always thought that would be a bigger deal
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: than taking a guy away.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: 100% because you want to free him up and do
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: those things. He can play man-to-man, and he's done all
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: those things. But I just feel like he's so good
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: in terms of with his hands, his instincts, and awareness.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: He can do it. And then you turn around on offense.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: I said it on the broadcast.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was at Raines High School watching
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: a high school game, like number 12 makes an interception,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: goes to the sideline. gets a shot of water, comes
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: back on offense. They throw him three passes. He puts
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: the ball in the pan. I was like, yeah, Johnny
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: superstar in high school.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: That's what he does every Friday night. And this dude
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: is doing it on the NFL level.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I think if anything, it was just an appetizer for
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: what the Jags are going to do with him down
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the stretch.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people were really frustrated.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: With the ramp up process, right? He's not getting enough snaps.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: He should be playing more. But if you go and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: look at it, not only from a playing time standpoint,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: but the way they used them, boundary and field, playing
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: on both sides, letting them get used to playing on
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: each side of the field.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: John, it all came together in that game.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Because you've slowly exposed them to all those things, now
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: what he did wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: this week, like, oh, he was like, hey, just go
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to 12th side, where he's been flipping sides the whole time.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: So to me, it's been a really good job of
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: coaching and getting them ready. And I think Liam is
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: just the tip of the iceberg on what he can
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: do offensively.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guess what? Not everything happens, capital letters, exclamation point,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: right now. I mean, sometimes things have to take time
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: because he's still a human being who has to get
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: used to his surroundings. Offensive MVP, I think at this
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: point it's a no-brainer. I think it's 16.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, easy.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Easy.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: But I would say I'm tough in terms of, like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: who would be runner-up in the unsung heroes. Look, Parker
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Washington is great, but the coming on of Bajor Tootin.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: He could be the one that we end up talking
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: about down the stretch. Not being the best player, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: maybe the most important piece of the puzzle when it
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: comes to playoff success, the run game, opening up so
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: many other things for the passing game.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: 33's been terrific.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I think what's very encouraging about 33 is you still
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: feel like he's going to be on highlight shows more
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: than second half of the season because he's going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: break them. But he's shown in six games that even
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: without that, I thought maybe he would have to do
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that to be effective. He hadn't really done that yet,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: and he's been really good. And I think that, like
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we talked about, I think the storyline by week 17
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: may be how good the Jaguars' running game is. Two-headed,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: how much you can rely on it, how much it's
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: wearing teams out. That's an element they wanted to improve on,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and they've done it. Any final thoughts as we go
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: into the bye?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: No, man, it's fun to be four and two, sitting
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: exactly where you want to be for the Jaguars. We
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: expect to get hot coming out this Dubai, man, if
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: we do that, we're going to be well-positioned to make
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: a deep and extended postseason run.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It's all out in front of him for Joe Fortunato,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: for Brent Reber, for John Ogier. This is Bucky Brooks' show,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: so I'll say goodbye for Bucky Brooks on Huddle Up
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: with Bucky Brooks. Buck, we'll see you in a couple
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: weeks or next week. Thanks, buddy.