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76. Justice for Ellen Poe - A Forgotten Woman · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to an Airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Who Did What Now? The history podcast That's
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  Speaker 1: not your history class with me your host Katie Charlwood,
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  Speaker 1: history harlot and reader of books. If you are new here,
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  Speaker 1: so that talk went well. The Trover Trips coming up
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  Speaker 1: May next year, twenty twenty four, and I'm heading to
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  Speaker 1: Edinburgh this weekend. So I'm flying in on the Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: heading back on the Monday, a flying visit, some might say,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm going to go see Rubin Kay's show, The
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  Speaker 1: the last night friend, so I thought, why not get
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  Speaker 1: loldy and go show some support and love. But I
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  Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber
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  Speaker 1: in fact me, In fact you, I will. But first
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  Speaker 1: we've got to get our source on. Our sources are
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  Speaker 1: the Trial of Charles Langley esquire f RCSI by Jay McGlashan,
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  Speaker 1: The Nina Guardian, The Tipperary of Vindicator, The Freeman's Journal,
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  Speaker 1: and of course The Doctor's Wife is Dead by Andrew Tierney.
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  Speaker 1: Are you saying comfortably good? Then I'll begain trigger warning.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be discussing violent domestic abuse and murder, manslaughter, murder.
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  Speaker 1: So if you do feel that these topics are going
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  Speaker 1: to be an issue or be triggering for you, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to suggest you just don't listen to this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Just skip it, skip away. So this all starts actually
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  Speaker 1: because I found a book called The Doctor's Wife Is
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  Speaker 1: Dead by Andrew Tierney, and it was just an interesting
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  Speaker 1: looking book. I was on like a second hand bookstore,
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  Speaker 1: just scouring the non fiction section as I do, and
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  Speaker 1: I've found this book. Now what I did is I
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  Speaker 1: like to cross reference my sources. So that's what I did,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you never know, you never know when
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  Speaker 1: something's going to be a bit exaggerated here and there.
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  Speaker 1: And so I came across this book, read it, and
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  Speaker 1: first of all, was mad that it wasn't an audio book,
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  Speaker 1: because this is such a good story. You could play
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  Speaker 1: this as a courtroom drama, like you could make this
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  Speaker 1: as a courtroom drama on TV like still set it
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  Speaker 1: back in the eighteen hundreds. But this, this is where
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  Speaker 1: the TV license money should be going. RTE make this.
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  Speaker 1: This is it's so good because it has the saltiest
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  Speaker 1: jury I have ever ever Like I have read many
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  Speaker 1: trail transcripts, like I kid you not, this is the
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  Speaker 1: salty jury I have ever met. And they are brilliant,
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  Speaker 1: and they just start pulling out all this stuff and
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  Speaker 1: they're so sarcastic all the way through, and like they
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  Speaker 1: pull all these people up on their shit, and it's
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  Speaker 1: such it's such an interesting like tale and the manner
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  Speaker 1: in which it unfolds like it's it's wild. It's absolutely wild.
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  Speaker 1: And at the center of this is a woman that
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  Speaker 1: so many people failed to protect. And her married name
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  Speaker 1: was Langley, but I am going to call her Poe
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  Speaker 1: because that was the name she was born with and
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  Speaker 1: her husband was a fucking bastard. And so let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you about the life and death of Ellen Paul,
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  Speaker 1: a woman whose story, probably like so many others, was
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  Speaker 1: easily forgotten and dismissed. And you won't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: usually discuss true crime like more than once a month.
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  Speaker 1: I usually try to avoid it. But this is so
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  Speaker 1: much more like to just be like, oh, it's a crime. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of fucking crimes that happened in this
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  Speaker 1: But a woman again, whose story, whose life was just
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  Speaker 1: whisked under a rug, and she doesn't even have a headstone,
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  Speaker 1: like there's no marker for her, like her family, her husband,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody in her life. Not one person ensured she
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  Speaker 1: had a headstone, which, you know, given the era, was
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  Speaker 1: the least fucking thing you could do. But I am
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  Speaker 1: jumping ahead of myself because Ellen Paul, the doctor's wife,
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  Speaker 1: well she's dead and it's about to cause a scandal.
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  Speaker 1: Ellen or Poe, or Ellen as she would be known,
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  Speaker 1: was born in seventeen ninety one in Donny Burke. Now
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  Speaker 1: do we have a day or month? No, No, we
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  Speaker 1: have a year. She was born in seventeen ninety one.
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  Speaker 1: Anything else, not really sure, But seventeen ninety one. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's something. I mean, we know roughly when she was born.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's good enough Jesus, because of course, why
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  Speaker 1: would we know the birthday of a woman, even a
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  Speaker 1: woman from a respectable family, which the Poes were.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Ellen was the eighth of nine children, the penultimate child,
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  Speaker 1: second last. Her older siblings were in chronological order, George, William, Francis,
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  Speaker 1: Martha and Marjorie Thomas and Mary Anne. Ellen was the
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  Speaker 1: child of William Parsons, Poe and Francis Hardin. And I
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  Speaker 1: know this is going to shock you all, gentle listener,
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  Speaker 1: but tragedy befell poor Ellen's childhood. So when she was
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  Speaker 1: only four years old, her mother Francis dies, she passes
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  Speaker 1: away seventeen ninety five, and well, growing up in that
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  Speaker 1: sort of regency Georgian era, Ellen has one of many daughters,
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  Speaker 1: was expected to marry four well prospects really and the
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  Speaker 1: concept of a love match not really a thing, and
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  Speaker 1: as a respectable lady, she was expected to find a
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  Speaker 1: suitable husband. However this this didn't quite happen, so as
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  Speaker 1: her other siblings moved and married off, Ellen did not.
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  Speaker 1: And until such times as Ellen got married, her father
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  Speaker 1: was responsible for her upkeep, her well being, her finances.
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  Speaker 1: And when her father dies in eighteen thirty, the responsibility,
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  Speaker 1: or the burden as some might say, fell on her
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  Speaker 1: brothers because it was their duty then to support their
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  Speaker 1: spinster sister. Although I think at this point she's a hassleback,
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  Speaker 1: like she's gone past spinster onto hassle No, Hassleback's a potato.
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  Speaker 1: That's a poor choice. A thornback. Thornback not a hassle back.
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  Speaker 1: Hassleback potatoes are delicious. Thornbacks are spinsters once they get
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  Speaker 1: past a certain age. I don't know. I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: technically a thornback.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Now, who precisely took responsibility for Ellen, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: But by eighteen thirty one, Ellen was residing in Dublin.
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  Speaker 1: What we don't know the details of a woman's life
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  Speaker 1: from the past. Shocked, I heard you say, shocked. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so her brother Thomas, he's living out and looking, and
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  Speaker 1: her niece is over on Denzil Street, and then I
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  Speaker 1: think her sister's on Marion Square. So like, there's a
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  Speaker 1: good few relatives that have moved from Tipperary and are
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  Speaker 1: now living in Dublin, so she's probably it's likely. The
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  Speaker 1: chances are she's living with one of them and she's
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  Speaker 1: sort of visiting and going around. Now was she specifically
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  Speaker 1: looking for a husband, We don't know, but well she
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  Speaker 1: found one. Before Ellen's father had passed away, he had
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  Speaker 1: decreed that Ellen's dowry would be five hundred pounds, so
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  Speaker 1: whether he was alive or not alive. If she ever
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  Speaker 1: got married, her husband would receive five hundred pounds, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, was a fuck ton of money back then.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's a good incentive for some people to marry.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the best amount of money in
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  Speaker 1: the world, you know, especially for someone looking for you know,
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  Speaker 1: a wealthy a wealthy maiden. But if you're looking to
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  Speaker 1: marry into a prosperous family, a family of you know,
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  Speaker 1: good repute, you know you want to do a good reputation,
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  Speaker 1: you want someone of prestige, like if the prestigious matters
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  Speaker 1: more than like the money, this is a good match.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for William, who becomes the head hauncho upon the
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  Speaker 1: father's demise, is that he it's not super great with money,
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  Speaker 1: and she ends up having to move out of the
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  Speaker 1: family home and into well other lodgings, which is probably
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  Speaker 1: the reason actually why Ellen wasn't with him and why
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  Speaker 1: he was not supporting her specifically, And I guess she
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  Speaker 1: was kind of fobbed off on other relatives like it
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  Speaker 1: was their duty. I mean, by the time she's thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine and her father dies, like she's already like out
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  Speaker 1: to pasture at that point, you know, as far as
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  Speaker 1: society is concerned, because for the most part she's pasted
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  Speaker 1: child pairing age and that's just not optimum. But somehow,
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  Speaker 1: some way, Ellen ends up crossing paths with a young doctor,
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  Speaker 1: a doctor Charles Langley, so gets elected to the elected
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  Speaker 1: he gets sent to the Nina Dispensary in Tipperary in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen thirty one thirty one two. Fun fact, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: good with dates, and you're thinking, jeez, Kertie and historian
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  Speaker 1: who's not good with dates. Feels a bit ironic, You're
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  Speaker 1: not wrong. So she meets this young, charismatic, handsome doctor
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  Speaker 1: who and and Nina and see in Nina in Tipperary.
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  Speaker 1: Her brother in law is the Reverend Poe, who was
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  Speaker 1: also her cousin. Her mother her mother, no, her sister
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  Speaker 1: married her cousin. And I know what you're thinking, eh,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Incest still wrong, still weird, still disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: But for some strange reason, they were into it back then.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have an understanding of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the biological like issues that would occur from you know,
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  Speaker 1: turning your family tree into a wreath. It was more
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  Speaker 1: the concept of keeping the bloodlines pure, which again not
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  Speaker 1: not a thing, not a real thing, not good. You
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  Speaker 1: need diversity for you know, a decent standard of living.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, So the Reverend Pole is married to her
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  Speaker 1: older sister Francis, and somehow, after coming into contact with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Charles Langley, who is much younger than she is,
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  Speaker 1: within eight months of him having this position and the dispensary,
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  Speaker 1: they're married. Now, courtships were generally short back then, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it would be eight weeks, a couple of months,
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  Speaker 1: depending on how long they were hashing things out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for Charles, he is in this marriage, it is it's weird,
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  Speaker 1: it's peculiar. It's odd because Ellen is forty, she's fifteen
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  Speaker 1: years older than than Charles, doctor Langley. Like he's he's
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, and he's marrying this woman who's much older
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  Speaker 1: than he is. Like it's suspicious. I mean, she's from
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  Speaker 1: a prominent family. He's getting a wee bit of income
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  Speaker 1: from it, which you know, maybe he thought he would
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  Speaker 1: get more, maybe he thought he would gain respectability. So
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  Speaker 1: as a doctor in the area, Charles was doctor Langley,
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  Speaker 1: he was working at the dispensary and he would do
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  Speaker 1: like thousands of visits. He would do house calls. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you about doctor Langley and how fucking
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  Speaker 1: uns scrupulous this man was.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He was a dick, to be clear. So not only
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  Speaker 1: was he being a doctor doing his doctory stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: he felt like that was just a lot of hard work.
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  Speaker 1: He often complained about his job and having to go
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  Speaker 1: here and there and you know, treat this sick, treat
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  Speaker 1: the poor. You know, he didn't like having to do
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  Speaker 1: that bit. So what he did is he decided to
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  Speaker 1: supplement his income by becoming a money lender. And he
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  Speaker 1: does this for so long that he spends less time
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  Speaker 1: treating patients and more time you know, collecting money, like
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  Speaker 1: to the point where he gets people arrested for not
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  Speaker 1: paying him, like the two shillings that they owed him
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  Speaker 1: for whatever, get some cent in jail and makes them
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  Speaker 1: pay like ten shillings to get out of it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a whole thing, like he even this is like shows
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  Speaker 1: you just how shady this motherfucker is. Is a couple
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  Speaker 1: comes to him looking to procure special medicine to induce
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  Speaker 1: an abortion, and he says, okay, yeah, you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to pay me, like double that, so they come back
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  Speaker 1: with double the money. He takes the money from them
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  Speaker 1: and then gets the couple arrested. And like he would
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  Speaker 1: do this with certain stuff as well. He would promise
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  Speaker 1: such and such and maybe we'll pay over the odds
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  Speaker 1: for medical treatment. And this is a guy who ended
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  Speaker 1: up serving during a cholera epidemic, right, there was a
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  Speaker 1: couple of them actually, and over the years as Tipperary
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  Speaker 1: was very very dangerous, actually it was like a hotbed
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  Speaker 1: of activity because when and gore to more happens the
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  Speaker 1: Irish famine, the blight, it forces a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who were living out in rural communities into the more
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  Speaker 1: populated cities. And this is what caused a greater spread
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  Speaker 1: of these of these diseases. So cholera, dysentery, typhoid, tuberculosis
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  Speaker 1: like these become rampant because you've got all these people
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  Speaker 1: living in less than hygienic, cramped conditions. Like at one point,
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  Speaker 1: it gets so bad that the workhouse, which is where
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  Speaker 1: people go when they have no other fucking choice when
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  Speaker 1: they are skin and bone, people were leaving the workhouse
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  Speaker 1: because they were too worried about catching diseases. So when
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: now some of you don't know what the potato famine is,
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  Speaker 1: and I should probably explain that. And the reason it's
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  Speaker 1: called like the potato famine, the reason it's called that
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  Speaker 1: is it's a way of sort of moving it and
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  Speaker 1: calling it a different name to make it seem less horrific.
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  Speaker 1: So in Ireland it's called in Gorton Moore where it
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  Speaker 1: was two those on Gordon Bug and Gorton Moore. So
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  Speaker 1: there's the big hunger and the small hunger, and Gorton
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  Speaker 1: Moore is the big hunger. And that's because the entire
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  Speaker 1: nation was starving. Now, Ireland was able to grow other
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  Speaker 1: like foods, but Ireland was under British rule at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and there were these like trade laws which effectively forced
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  Speaker 1: Ireland to export all of its decent grain, all of
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  Speaker 1: it's decent vegetables, all of it's decent all of its
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  Speaker 1: decent foodstuffs, so that all gets exported so that Britain
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  Speaker 1: can use it or trade it or whatever. Because the
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  Speaker 1: blight that was affecting potatoes, it wasn't just happening in Ireland,
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  Speaker 1: it was happening all over Europe. But Ireland wasn't able
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  Speaker 1: to produce or well keep retain utilize the grain and
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  Speaker 1: foods that it had because it had to be exported.
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  Speaker 1: So what could have been resolved fairly easily wasn't, and
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  Speaker 1: it was engineered. Really, it was a yet another famine
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  Speaker 1: that was engineered, and it fucking sucks. But on top
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  Speaker 1: of this, you had these mass evictions going on because
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  Speaker 1: people could earn more money by having kills on their
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  Speaker 1: land than having tenants. And if a tenant missed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a payment here or whatever, and sometimes a landlord would
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  Speaker 1: just kick people out for the fun of it, like
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  Speaker 1: Lord Leatrim was one who was known to be a
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  Speaker 1: particularly shitty person, and people were just left. They were
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  Speaker 1: kicked with their homes, their families. They would have no livelihoods,
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  Speaker 1: they would be destitute, they would have nowhere to go.
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  Speaker 1: And all of these rural workers who had nowhere to go,
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  Speaker 1: who had no food, made the decision to upsticks and
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  Speaker 1: moved to the city where they might have a better chance,
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  Speaker 1: or at least some were more populated. And so these
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  Speaker 1: people start coming in and it gets worse and worse
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  Speaker 1: and worse, and it gets to the point with doctor
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  Speaker 1: Langley's money business that because he's spending so little time
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  Speaker 1: doing any fucking actual doctoring or I don't know there's
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  Speaker 1: a word for that medicalness. And because he's not doing that,
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  Speaker 1: like they literally hold a commission to deal with this
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  Speaker 1: because he's not doing his fucking job. So he ends
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  Speaker 1: up being removed from the need of dispensary and he
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  Speaker 1: just goes full on tilt with his money business. Well
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  Speaker 1: I say that he's there like two days a week,
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  Speaker 1: but he has a dude working for him, so he's
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  Speaker 1: got that going on. But what he does is he
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  Speaker 1: actually has another job as like a corner sort of.
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  Speaker 1: So he would be the person they bring in to
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  Speaker 1: give evidence about crimes. So if someone was beaten, he
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  Speaker 1: would have to explain the wounds and how it happened,
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  Speaker 1: or someone was murdered or poisoned, like, he would be
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  Speaker 1: the person that could bring in to discuss it, to
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  Speaker 1: provide evidence, to be an expert witness. And he would
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  Speaker 1: do this on behalf of the crown. So he would
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: do this and he would get paid handsomely for it,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: not as handsomely as he would like, but he would
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: get paid well. So between that and his money business, well,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, he was doing okay for himself and considering
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he'd managed to weasel his way in and become quite
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: quite chummy with the respected sort of patrons of society.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You know, he was very good at fitting in and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like will, everyone else was starving while people were struggling
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to have food, and they were eating dirt. People literally
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: ate dirt, like we have it on record that they
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: were so desperate for food they're eating grass in dirt
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: just to try and stay alive. But even during the famine,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: even during and gore to more, the people in the estate,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in the big houses, they were having parties and feasts
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like they were fine. I mean somewhere you know, working
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: as land agents and trying to like scrimp pennies because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: their generational wealth was you know, sort of dripping away.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But they were having a swallow time for the most part,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and we're too concerned about the well being of others
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: around them, which not great. And the majority of this
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: elite they happened to be Protestant. I'm not going to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: get into a whole sectarian thing here because there's just
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: not enough time. But yeah, there was issues between Catholicism
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and Protestantism back in back in the day, and this
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: continued for you know, a couple of hundred years. Some
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: might even say it to still going on today, but yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's generally what's going on with Charles now, Ellen
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Ellen and and Charles. The first nine months of their marriage,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: everything seems to be going well for a bunch of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: newlyweds who had not really known each other before getting
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: married in a society where you know, respectability and prospects
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: were far more important than love. However, it seemed that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: doctor Charles Langley was not you know, a level headed,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: emotionally stable and secure person. Ah. I believe the medical
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: term is shit back Yeah, okay, so he was known
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: for having tantrums. He's twenty five years old and he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: having tantrums. And here's the thing. Back in the day,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you really should have you know, matured quicker because you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: know all the shit that's going on around you. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this is from him being adopter as well. So you
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: would think you would have a like steady nerves, like
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: he would be just tip top and easily easily maintained,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, but he was quick to anger. And there
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: were witnesses to this, like not long after they were married,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think within the first year, Ellen is on a pony. She's,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you know, having a way trot around, and for whatever reason,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: he physically pulls her from the pony by her hair
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and starts beating her, like in front of the servants.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: And like, she's forty forty one at this point and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: this young strong man is beating the absolute shit out
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of her. Oh my god. And this abuse continues like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: from like nine months into the marriage all the way
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: through to the end of it. But he is physically
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: beating her. And he does come to say later on
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that it's because she slept with two men before they
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: got married, Like in her forty years on the earth,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: she had relations with men, even though he had had
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: sexual relations with women. Double standard because she had sex
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: with someone. Clearly she was awful and the worst. I mean,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: she was forty. But here's the thing as well. Ellen
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: never confirms this, Like he tries to say that she
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: signed a letter stating this, but there's no evidence of that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: The letter doesn't exist. We've had no evidence of it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: We have his word on it, but nothing else. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the two men that he says there are men that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: would have been in her family's life. And it's quite
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: possible that this could have happened. It's possible that she
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: had relations with them, It's possible that she was assaulted,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Like there's no there's no way to say what happened
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: or what didn't happen. But either way, pulling someone off
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a horse and beating them definitely not the answer, Like
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: it's not that's not a solution to whatever your perceived
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: problem is. And the mistreatment of Ellen, it continues over
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the years, like he resents being married to her, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: he makes sure that she knows it. So over the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: next seventeen years, he makes the is difficult for her.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So her mother died of tuberculosis and she ends up
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: contracting it as well at some point in her life.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And because of this, it makes it makes things difficult
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: for her, like eating, So over the course of her
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: life she ends up with digestive issues and bowel issues.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: But throughout their marriage, when they're still living together and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they're still in the same bedroom, or at least in
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the same part of the house, like he is restricting
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: her food and it does not go unnoticed. So because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: she has bowel issues, And I don't know whether the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: issues are a result of like years of malnutrition or
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, just exacerbated by it. So and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: so for the next as at sixteen years fifteen, sixteen years,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he is restricting her food. He is beating her like.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Something he does most often is he denies her eggs,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: like he refuses to give her eggs. I can only
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: assume that Ellen quite enjoyed an egg. The eggs were
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: easy for her to eat and digest and consume, but
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he would consistently deny her eggs and would ban staff
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: from giving her eggs. Now, she was known for a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: while to go to Naples and friends. She would show
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: up at their house and ask them for food because
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: she was hungry and all she wanted was white bread
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and eggs. He refused to give her white bread. He
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: would only give her brown bread, which not great if
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you have like bowel issues.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: She is visiting people up until the point where the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: doctor starts contacting the husband's and tells them to stop
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: allowing their wives to feed his He warns them not
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to let her cross your threshold. Do not let her
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: into your house. And so unless the husband happened to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: not be home and it was safe, they would turn
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: her away. Like the odd time they would sneak around
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and feed her. But they would have to send her
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: away because this is the prominent doctor. He's well respected.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: He could fuck things up for you. And you have
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to think as well, this is a woman who was
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: raised in a respectable family, She had pride, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: begging which is what she was doing, would have made
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: her feel so low, so horrible, so worthless, and like
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it showed a willingness to survive. So people who knew
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Ellen throughout her life and all, we have a secondhand
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: information and the majority of people say that she was
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: kind and well mannered and considerate and good to her husband,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like she wanted to be a good wife. But it
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: just seems he never really wanted her to be one.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So we're not sure when it started. But throughout their marriage,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: doctor Langley starts shagging about, starts cheating on his wife. Now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the way that divorces worked at that time, and I've
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: discussed this before this whole episode on divorces throughout the ages. Basically,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: if a woman is you know, commits infidelity, they can
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: get divorced like a man can divorce her. But if
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a man commits infidelity, that's fine. You suck it up
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and you keep being married like that's like it's it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: bad for her to do, but not for him. Again
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: double fucking standaled and throughout this, which is gonn add
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: another layer of tom fuckery to this, is it throughout
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: this his niece is living with them, So they were
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a childless couple and his young niece who lives with him,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I think, since the age of three, is living with
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: him throughout this, and so anytime that the servants would
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: sneak her food or you know, help Ellen in any way,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the kid would wrap them out. Now we don't know
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: what kind of emotional manipulation and abuse she was already
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: dealing with from doctor Langley, her uncle, but like she
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: was always trying to please him, and she would always
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: daub Ellen in and she would be fractious and even cruel.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But again this was something she was conditioned to be.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And I don't think we should really blame on a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: fucking child who was dumped with her uncle who is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: an absolute bastard. So yeah, and also during this, he
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: is bringing other women into the house. He is shagging
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: maids and women of ill repute, basically sex workers. He's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: bringing sex workers home in having a good old time.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I hope at the very least he paid them for
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: but he would do it whether or not Ellen was
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in the house. He this man did not give a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: fuck let me tell you now about And then in
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty eight, so one year after Black forty seven,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: like the worst year of the famine, where like the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: highest amount of immigration happened like it was it was bad.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And a year later, doctor Charles Langley starts spending time
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: with his sort of niece other niece, not not Frannie,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: not not the young child, but Ellen's thirty two year
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: old niece. So she's younger than doctor Langley by a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: good bit too, And so she is the youngest No,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that's lie. She is the last remaining unmarried daughter of
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the Reverend Paul, so Ellen's brother in law and sister Francis,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and she is well being attempted to be courted by
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like one of the local solicitors, but unfortunately, Anna otherwise
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: known as Nanny for several months in eighteen forty eight,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: begins an affair with her aunt's husband. So it starts off,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're spending a lot of time together anyway,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because their families are so close, is that they would
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: be spending time together, going on romantic strolls. They would
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: go on trips together, and and it was a little
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: while into their time together that a law is being
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: proposed to be changed. So it was seen as incest
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to marry like your wife's niece or your wife's sister
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that was, or like your wife's or your husband's brother,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you know, your husband's nephew, things like that. Like that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was seen as incest. Marrying your cousin, fine, marrying someone
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: who's not a blood relative, yeah, whatever, So there was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: talk of this being of this being repealed. And so
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: somehow Ellen finds out about this, this relationship, and as such,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: she goes to well, one of the more prominent places
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in town, and she tells the family of the situation.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And she goes to her brother in law and her
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: sister and tells them the situation. And next thing, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: December eighteen forty eight, he is trying to see he's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: trying to see Anna. He goes up to visit her,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and he's like not very welcomed the home. And Francis
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: does not like this motherfucker anyway. Right, Ellen's sister does
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: not like this man. Right, So clearly this has given
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: her another feather in a cap because this is just
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: another good reason to keep this arsehole away because he
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is ruining her sister's life and she can't do anything
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: about it. But now he's got his sights on her daughter.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Fuck not.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Anna basically sends a letter, a Dear John letter,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: effectively just telling him she wants something to do with him.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: She's done, she can't do this. It's awful. He's awful.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: End of discussion, and so like she says that she
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: heard from he father. Although what Charles does is he
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: then starts contacting all the relatives, like his brother in law.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So Ellen's sister, Mary Anne has a husband, right Nixon.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: She he contacts him, and Nixon is literally giving him
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: very clean advice on dissolution of a marriage. Right, He's
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: giving him very clear advice. And you'd think that he
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: would be on his side, right, or he would be
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: on his you know, his wife's sisters, his sister in law,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that's the word. You think he'd be on her side.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And it's not like he's doing anything untoward because he's
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: technically just giving very clear legal advice and financial advice.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: But m m hm, but we're going to get back
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to that. So he starts telling people that, you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: she's going around spreading these rumors and saying that he's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a cat, hadn't do it, all this stuff, and try
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to ruin his reputation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: on top of this, at one point over the past
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: couple of years, he beats Ellen so badly that the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: doctor sends her away to stay with another prominent family
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: while she heals. Right, And because the way society was,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: it's all very hush hush, it's kept under wraps because
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of course it is. We can't have people questioning the gentry.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I totally forgot when. So when doctor
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Langley's mother died, she left him like two thousand pounds
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: or something like. It was a good chunk of change.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So he really could afford to just leave doctoring and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: go do whatever the fuck he wanted. The coroner shit,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: and of course the uh, the yah, the money lending,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of the money lending. So yeah, skip forward
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to the point where this law might be coming into place,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: or you know, it could be a very very like
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: reasonable option. It could be an option for him. He
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: could marry Anna. But first, you know, his wife has
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to die or divorce him one of those two options.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: He moves the maid and Franny out of the garret,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: which is like a loft sort of in the house,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and he takes off the door of one of the rooms.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So he moves Ellen out of you know, a warm,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: decent room in the house to this awful room up
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: in the loft in the attic. Basically it's called the garret, right,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So she's up there and she is forced to eat
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: in her room. Now, originally there's a door on it,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and it gets taken off like they say it's for
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: her safety or whatever, blah blah blah blah blah. So
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: she's allowed to eat in there. She's not supposed to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: eat in the parlor. But the maid, right, she sneaks
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: her into the parlor and feeds her down there, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she would sneak eggs up to her and other such things.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But well, she's you know, now in a bare room downstairs.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Thomas Pound is moved upstairs and he works for when
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: he works for Langley and Thomas Pound, as it turns out,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is an ex convict. He'd been in prison. He'd been
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in jail for assault, like beating someone up and I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: think was it forty seven or forty eight, forty seven
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: because she was in for a year. And then he
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: ends up employed by doctor Langley, and now Thomas Pound
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and Ellen Langley, Ellen Pole, Ellen Langley Pole, you know
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Ellen Pole. Dr Laning's a dick, so Po Po and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Pound they're forced to share one candle, and Lang's like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you go into my wife's room
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: or not, because there's nothing to separate the rooms. And
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: so this, if anyone heard of, it would just seem
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like impropriety centro, like that's weird. So all of her
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: good clothes, her silks, her you know, her nice stuff,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it's all taken from her and she's left in like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: chemises and whatnot, like NightWare, effectively underwear, and so she
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is forced to live like that. Imagine the embarrassment. Imagine
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: imagine all of this is just to wear her down.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And Thomas Pound is bringing her eggs to when he's
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: sneaking it up to her and sometimes because she's so cold,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: because she's frail, she's weak, she's ill, and the doctor
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: only allows her to have one sheet on her bed.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Nothing else, nothing warmer, nothing more appropriate, like the maid
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: would like sneak up heat jars right into the bed
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to try and warm it up. But once she was caught,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: they would be removed, but she would keep trying it, right,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And it got to the point where Franny the niece,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the young niece, his niece, the one he's not stooping.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: She reports this to her uncle and he makes sure
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that this doesn't happen anymore. So Thomas Pound would go
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: in and he'd rub her feet and he'd cuddle her
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and keep her warm. And then something happened. Now we
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but you know, Thomas Pound
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was known for having away with the ladies. And he says,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: something happened. Ellen says, you know, something might have happened.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: We don't know if it was sexual intercourse. There's a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: possibility she was drugged. So that's the whole thing. But
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the doctor he fires, way say, fires Thomas Pound. He
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: gets Thomas a new job, right, He tries to get
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: him to sign an affi David. He isn't signing anything,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: but he sends him away. He buys him a new
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: suit and gets him a job somewhere else. Now, if
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: someone had done something that was you know, you know, nefarious.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: One might assume that you'd be annoyed and you would
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: not buy them gifts and provide them with employment. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: over the period of time that Thomas was working there,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the doctor had eluded suggested even that he could do
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: what he wanted with his wife. Mm hmm, you heard me.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So the wife says they were intimate, but doesn't explain
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: how much. It could have just been a kiss, It
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: could have been nothing. But the doctor is incensed and
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: he calls in another doctor to check on her. So
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: over this time several doctors are actually come in anyway,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: so he gets them to sort of check on her,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and the servants are told that whatever these other doctors
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, say that she has to have, they make
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: sure she gets it. So for the majority of the time,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: this woman is surviving on salted meat and brown bread, which, again,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: if you have a bill issue, not fucking good for you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And bear in mind as well, for the majority of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this time he is trying to get with her niece.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So the doctors would prescribe stuff for her, and they
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: would make her wine at night, and they would give
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: her food and the servants would give it to her,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and so she would get to a recent or a
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: decent sort of level of health, and then the doctors
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: would go and then her health would decline again. Now,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the maid said that Ellen would make her taste her
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: tea in the morning before she would drink it, because
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: she was convinced that she was being poisoned by doctor Langley.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: So doctor Langley made a point of never never making
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: food or drinks for her exit for that one cup
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of tea in the morning. He made sure that everybody
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: saw that he was not making her anything or touching
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: anything with his own hands, almost as if he's trying
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to create sort of some plausible deniability there. At one point,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he talks about how a woman had thrown herself out
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the window or fallen out the window suspiciously and broken
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like the back of her head open when she fell
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: to the ground, and he tells Ellen that she needs
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: to go to a higher point because if she throws
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: herself out the window here, all that's going to happen
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: is she's going to hurt herself and she won't die.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: So she better make sure she goes somewhere high enough
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: before she jumps. Right, It gets to the point where
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Ellen is so paranoid that the servants are putting quilts
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: over the one window in the house in her room
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to make sure she doesn't jump from it, And at
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: night the doctor is bolting himself into his room to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: kind of go, oh, well, yep, yep, I want to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: make sure that you know, if ending happens to her,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: because she's Craig Ray, that nobody points the finger at me.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You can attest I was bolted in my room, black black, right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if he's trying to build a body
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: of evidence.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: M hm hmmm.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: So anyway, Ellen is not well and there's another cholera outbreak,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and so out goes doctor Langleye. He goes to one
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: of his one of his workers, a fella who works
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: in the as we finance business. His money shark loan shark,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: money loan shark. Yeah. So he tells him to find
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the cheap, best, cheapest lodging possible right for someone, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: he's like all right, And it's only that night that
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: he realizes that it's for Ellen Paul. And he says,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: if I'd known it was for her, I would not
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: have put her here. Like this place is dodgy, it
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: is the cheapest place. It was like a shilling to stay,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and it was damp and cramped and there was no
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: real air. It was an awful, awful place. And the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: maid has to help her move because the doctor just
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: kicks her at the house and he sends her, his
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: ill wife, to this place, this lodging, and her health
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: just gets worse and worse. And the other doctors they
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: visit her and they comment that, you know, she's given
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: an abundance of food because he he sends money for food. Well,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: he says he sends money for food. He says that
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: he sends money for her lodgings. And then food has
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: been provided for her, but the food is brought by
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: other people. He doesn't touch the food right, and it's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: brown bread and salted beef. Like this is a woman
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: who's having bill issues, like consistent problems in her gut,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and he is forcing her to consume food that's difficult
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: for her to eat, that's going to cause her problems,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: it's going to exacerbate her condition. Like he's doing this deliberately.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: He's a doctor, he fucking knows and I, oh, oh
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: my god, I almost forgot well. Ellen was living in
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the house, the only companion she had for a long time.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Was her dog a dog the doctor Charles Langley poisons
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: fun fact, So yeah, she's lost her dog, she's lost
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: her home, and she's put out into this thing and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: she's staying there. Her health worsens and she is convinced
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: that she's being poisoned, and she is there for weeks
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: and weeks, and the doctor offers her thirty pounds a
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: year in a divorce, and she contacts her family and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: her family goes, no, no, you need double that, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: so she says, no, I need double this if you
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: want to divorce me. But in order for her to
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: retain any assets, her lawyer suggests that she returned to
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the home because she left when he told her to,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: whereas unless she is physically removed from the home, I can't
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: fight him. And so Ellen goes, fuck this for a
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: game of soldiers. Even though she's ill, even though she's
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in pain, even though she's struggling mentally physically, even though
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: going back into a place that cosed her so much terror,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: she does the bravest thing possible and heads back into
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that house of horrors. So when she gets there, it's
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: just the new maid that's there, the old married since
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: resigned because after Ellen went, she was like, Nope, she
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: did try in this week place that Ellen was staying,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and she was trying to like secure her, like an
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: extra blanket or an extra anything, and the dude straight
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: up refused to refuse to send anything that would be
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: of benefit to her. Right And when Ellen returns to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the house, doctor Langley isn't there because he's gone to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: collect his sister. So he collects his sister from her home,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and he has at this point written yet another letter
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: to Annie trying to get her to reconcile, and he
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: brings his sister back with him back home to run
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: his household for a little while because he is, you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: without a wife, and he and his sister are fucking
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: shocked to see Ellen home. She's saying that she's sore
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and she needs someone to stay and she's not well,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and doctor Charles Langley ends up writing a letter to Nixon,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the brother in law Mary Anne's husband, basically saying, ha,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: fuck this, nope or she thinks she can play me.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I know what you're up to, I know what they're
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: up to. Sorry, and he removes his offer of thirty
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: pounds a year to twenty one like he just keeps
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: reducing it because he's a cunt, right, And he ends
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: up sending her up to the garret back into that
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: room again, and she's there for a week just about
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and over the next few days the doctor's visit and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: she is not well, like things are going bad, and
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it gets to the point that I think it's a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: week or two weeks after her returning home. Ellen passes
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: away on the first of May eighteen forty nine. And
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: it's after this then a letter arrives at the sub
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: inspector's office. So the way the police there wasn't like
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a regimented police force. There was like sort of these
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: sub inspectors who were there on behalf of the crown,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: and a lot of inquests and stuff. They were run
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: by like committees people were elected and stuff like that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: But this letter comes in stating that you know, people
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: are going to be suspicious, so I'm going to need
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you to just have an inquest into my wife's death.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And this letter arrives, but as it turns out, it
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: was written three days before the untimely demise of Ellen Poe.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Why would someone write a thing about an inquest a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: few days before his wife dies about his wife dying.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it suspicious, but you know, hm. But
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: also James Jocelyn Poe, the son of the Reverend Poe
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: and the nephew of Ellen, physically goes to the sub
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: inspector and requests an inquest because he's convinced his aunt
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: had been poisoned. And so on the first of May
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty nine, just five and a half hours after
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Ellen has passed away, the coroner, the police sub inspector,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and a group of well tradesmen, merchants, salesman's they all
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: show up at doctor Langley's house on Barrack Street to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: start an inquest. So they show up and they collect
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: like a number of witnesses, right and not autopositly gets performed.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: There's a number of witnesses and then a few of
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: them just haven't shown up yet. So it gets a
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: drunk to the following day. So from the Monday it
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: gets moved to the Tuesday. But this time, instead of
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: being in Langley's house, it is at the schoolhouse. So
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: it's a wee Protestant schoolhouse. It's for the teeny tiny jails,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: and it's now full of big men. So the inquest
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: occurs and the doctors bring forth or evidence and they're like, yeah,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it is our opinion that that Ellen died of a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: bowel complained basically dysentery English cholera as they called it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: So they're saying that she died of dysentery, and the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: medical witness has come forward, but one are the doctors
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: is not trusted by many members of the jury. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the weird thing about this jury is that the majority
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of them are actually Catholic. There's a few Protestant fellows there,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: but it's very weird, you know, to have this many
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Catholics like in charge of something. And the solicitor for yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the prosecution, he is well, he's he's the son of
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a pharmacist, so he knows chemistry very well, and that's
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: going to come in. It's going to come in useful.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: So this jury's made off both like tradesmen and whatever
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: like pictures because cattle, stick makers, cobblers, the whole shabang, right,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And they are unhappy because they have not been happy
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: with the Nina Purlog guardians who just keep fucking shit
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: up on the workhouse, like people are dying and they're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: not being cared for appropriately. So like one of the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: doctors says, well, she had enough to eat, and oh yeah, no,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: what was it. It's like Ellen had sufficient to eat
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and one of the jurors like, pipes up, yeah, they're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: sufficient to eat in the workhouse too, because like people
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: were dying of malnutrition in the workhouse, right. And for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the record, what people would earn in the workhouse for
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: the work was more than Ellen was receiving when she
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: was out in the shack by the doctor, right, So
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: he was giving her less money to survive on than
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: someone who was in the workhouse. That's not great. So
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: all the doctors they agree that she died of about
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: complain of dysenter YadA YadA. And the jury's like, okay,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: but what led to this? And they just keep questioning
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and arguing, and so James Jocelyn Pole, the reverend Son,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, if the doctors say it's fine, then
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it's fine. And doctor Lunga says, well, clearly the doctors
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: have cleared me of any wrongdoings, so it's fine. And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: the jury's like, but what about the other witnesses And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we don't have any other witnesses. Because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: we didn't think we need them now. And the jury's like, well,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: we had to stop her work yesterday and we couldn't
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: go to work today, and now you're saying you don't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: have the witnesses that you said you were gonna have.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: No So this argument goes back and forth and back
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and forth and back and forth, and it comes out
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: that Ellen was convinced she was being poisoned and other
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: people had suspicions of it too, and so they're all
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: talking about the mistreatment of her and everything that happened
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: up until this point. And these local men, because they're
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: all men, right, they're looking for justice for this women.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: But also because of Anna's relationship with Charles, that's that's James,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Jocelyn's sister, and because of well, you know, the possibility
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: of the rumor that that you know, Ellen had gone
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: and been shagging about and was ill reput they didn't
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: want this getting out. They didn't want the townfolk hearing.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Like these were all respectable, like men who held decent positions,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: who had decent earnings. They didn't want ship being messed around.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: They didn't want scandal, right, but scandal was coming for
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: them anyway, because these fellas were not letting go. They
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: were like a dog with a bone, right, But yeah,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the pose they don't want to do it, Like nobody
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: wants to take this case. And they go, well, if
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: anybody wants to, it's gonna have to be on like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the crown. The Crown's gonna have to try this case
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: because it's not gonna be us, right, And the jury's like, well,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: we are not going to give a verdict until we've
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: heard all the evidence. And Langley's like, I don't want
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you're listening to rumors and whatnot. And it's adjourned until Saturday. Now,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: on the Wednesday morning, right the Wednesday morning, a group
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: of women show up outside of doctor Langley's house and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: they start throwing rocks in stones and whenever other fucking
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: shit they can at it like this, not young women,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: like old ladies, like we biddies are just chucking shit
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: at his house. Right, And and to the point where
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: this crowd is trying to is trying to like make
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: them open the door, and the new maid is refusing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to open the door because the doctors told her not
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: to open it. And it's only when they threaten to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: break the door down that that she allows them in.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: You see, normally, when somebody passes away, like in this era,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to like have them shrouded in sort of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: white linens. And you know, it's supposed to be very respectful,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be there's supposed to be reverence
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: for the dead, right, you're supposed to give a shit.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Ellen Paul is put in a pauper's coffin. It is
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: like the cheapest of the cheap. I thing is like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: a two in hapany or two intent like it's it's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: very cheap. It is. It is what people from the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: poor house be buried in, right, the cheapest coffin available.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: And she was there in her chemise, in her night dress.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: She had not been dressed for burial, she had not
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: been shrouded appropriately. And the coffin which there should have
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: been awake, right, so an Irish wake that the body
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: is laid in the parlor and people come and pay
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: respects and they celebrate the life of the person. That
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: is just how it is. But instead doctor Langley had
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: her put outside in the garden and a carriage hood
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: thrown over her. And Ellen, when she is buried, when
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: she is taken from the house that day, and she's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: buried in the very graveyard of the church where her
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: brother in law would do his sermons, where she would
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: sit every single week and listen to his sermons. And
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: they didn't mark her grave, they didn't put up a headstone,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: They did nothing for this woman. They just acted like
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: she wasn't there, as if she was the one who
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: brought shame with if she was the issue when a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: man deliberately and actively destroyed her life to the point
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: where it ended. But yes, this trail reconvenes for Saturday.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: And on Saturday, when you know, the trail is back
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: on and the crown has the jury, the witnesses are coming,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and the solicitor, the one who was the chemist son,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: he is no longer being retained by Reverend Poe and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: James Jocelyn Poe, but instead closer relatives. We're never told
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: who these closer relatives are, but they're going to be
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: her sisters.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: So, as it turns out, the day after the inquest, Nixon,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: mary Anne's husband, he dies and a letter arrives for him,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a letter written by Charles Langley, and so mary Anne
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: has the evidence she needs to show what he was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: planning that he was trying to do her out where
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: he was just like, he's so vicious in this letter.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat it because it's so fucking awful,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: And she just sends that in and this is added
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: to the evidence. And over this time evidence come. They
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: hear from the servants there, from the doctor's there, from everybody,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and this solicitor he questioned the doctors and he asks them, well,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: if someone were to use prussic acid like the doctor
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: was known to, which is cyanide. It's synide, right, And
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: he says, would it not be difficult to, you know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: ascertain if someone had been poisoned with this because and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, you can test it. We can still
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: send a sample of and test it. And it's like yeah,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: but you can't though, because it's gone, like any any
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: manner in which to test it you would have to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: do straight away. And one of the other doctors actually
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: steps up and goes, well, yeah, actually, now that you
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: mention it, her autoposy was eight hours after she died
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: aorgo even if we could have tested for it, like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: there is no there's no way we could have because
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: it was too long after the fact, like, wouldn't it
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: been able to do it?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: And all this goes back and forth, and one person,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: as it turns out, is missing from Little Schoolhouse courtroom,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: doctor Charles Langley. They ask query is his slister says
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: he's at home. His lawyers like no either, homies at homies,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: definitely at home. Spoiler alert, he's not. He is disappeared.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: So the jury they're talking, they're like, this is fucking suspicious,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: and so they charge doctor Langley with manslaughter. And at
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: this point Langley's on the run, right, So he's on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the run, and he is eventually caught a few weeks
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: later in Dublin. And after this he ends up. He
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: pays his bail, right, he goes into jail Newgate I think,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: and then ends up he ends up in some jailing away,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: pays his bail and then goes to Nina and surrenders himself, right,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: And he's in trial. He's waiting for the assizes, right,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: And the day before he's due to going to the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: assizes and be tried along with like a bunch of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: other people for a bunch of other stuff because like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the charge is changed from manslaughter to murder because manslaughter
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: shows a disregard for life, right, and murder shows intent, okay,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: And so he goes before the court and it's basically
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: as lawyer goes, yeah, no, we don't we're not prepared
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: for this because it was changed so quickly. We're gonna
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: have to like delay. And so he ends up being
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: in jail for another year while they you know, get
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: everything together and need to do a new trial because
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: everything was changed last minute. Because you know, now the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: death penalty is, you know, very much on the cards.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: It's a possibility for him and there and they're trying
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: to like figure this out, and he decides that he's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: going to show he's going to show the world that
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: he's really innocent, right, and he copies or is he
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: tries to copy the Count of Monte Cristo, right, So
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  Speaker 1: he decides to go on hunger strike and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hung a striking for forty days and forty
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  Speaker 1: nights and forty days striking because I am innocent, like
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  Speaker 1: Edmond Dante, and you know, kind of want to cust him,
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  Speaker 1: which he read like six months before going to jail,
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  Speaker 1: and it's so ridiculous. And so he goes on that
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  Speaker 1: but he gets an interview with this reporter, and this
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  Speaker 1: reporter just basically says, yeah, he was mad at the
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  Speaker 1: jailers and didn't like it, so he went on a
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  Speaker 1: fast for thirty eight days. So not only like this
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  Speaker 1: I love it, it's completely undermines Langley because not only
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  Speaker 1: does it sort of wishwa wash away the whole Dumas situation,
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  Speaker 1: and it also reduces the Christian symbolism by it, because
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  Speaker 1: like forty days, it's like Jesus, thirty eight days is
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  Speaker 1: not quite Jesus, you know, yeah see yeah, not not there.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, and it gets to that point right, But Langley
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  Speaker 3: is just mad about it, so Perry it's like e
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  Speaker 3: Rynmond diff But he ends up eventually going to going
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  Speaker 3: to court and while he's there, all this stuff comes
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  Speaker 3: back up. They go through it all again, but then
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  Speaker 3: a letter appears, which is the letter, the long rambling
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  Speaker 3: letter from like the twenty eighth of December nineteen, eighteen
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  Speaker 3: forty eight, that he wrote to Anne about how much
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  Speaker 3: he loved her and wanted to be with her and
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  Speaker 3: all that jazz. Because she cannot in good conscience allow
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  Speaker 3: this to go ahead because she needs everyone to know
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  Speaker 3: that her aunt deserves some kind of justice, right she has,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Got a case of the conscience. And so this goes
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  Speaker 1: before this court and this jury, who as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: like the local jury where we were mainly Catholic, this
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  Speaker 1: is you know, the Protestant elite, you know. And they
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  Speaker 1: look over the evidence and they decide that he is
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  Speaker 1: not guilty of murder. I mean, they didn't trying for manslaughter,
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  Speaker 1: which I think they very well could have done, but
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  Speaker 1: they decided no, not guilty. And that very night doctor
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  Speaker 1: Langley goes with his friends, gets absolutely sloshed, has a
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  Speaker 1: massive party, and then disappears, but not like taking care
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: of or anything. He just jumps ship and moves to Liverpool.
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  Speaker 1: But who does he move with? Anne Po Annie Po
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  Speaker 1: nanny has thirty something year old niece Ish. They move
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  Speaker 1: to Liverpool, they get married. They don't mention their fat
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  Speaker 1: that they're like ish related because the law and niece
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: sister in law thing doesn't go through so clearly in
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  Speaker 1: order for them to marry, they have to sort of
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  Speaker 1: just not mention it, just.
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  Speaker 2: Omit that piece of evidence, you know, so clearly her
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  Speaker 2: conscience is do we bet since you know the man
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  Speaker 2: who destroyed her aunt's life, and like, why why would
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  Speaker 2: you marry someone who did such horrible things?
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  Speaker 1: Like would you not think maybe he might do that
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  Speaker 1: to you? Oh well, I mean that's what the manupulators do,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. Well it never do that to you. You
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  Speaker 1: matter to me, You're important.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so so that's they get married, they have kids,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, well you either one of them could stay
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  Speaker 4: in Nina in Tipperary anymore because there was just too
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: much scandal, and like I wouldn't even have mentioned like
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  Speaker 4: what happened after you know, they're not guilty thing.
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  Speaker 1: I would have just like done a passing word about
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the trial. But I am so enraged for Ellen, like
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  Speaker 1: betrayed by her fucking family at this point because of this,
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  Speaker 1: a woman who was left to be the property of
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  Speaker 1: her husband and was systematically abused by him, destroyed by him,
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  Speaker 1: quite probably poisoned by him, but him just being sneaky
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: enough to just get around it, and fucking Ellen deserves
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  Speaker 1: justice and it pisses me off that he got to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: go and live the life he wanted. Well, she is
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: fucking food for worms. And so ends the story of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Ellen Poe, who I don't know, I hope got some
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: tiny speck of justice from this and if she exists,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: if her story can be found out and can be known. Generally,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: when we have one thing like this, it means that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: there were more incidents of situations like this, like this
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  Speaker 1: is Jesus Christ, this is fucking Janiere. It's the wife
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: and the attic in it, isn't it. That's that's also
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: maybe a racist thing if you read the book, just
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: just a thing. But yeah, if if you liked my
• 1:16:32
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  Speaker 2: For reading.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to recommend The Doctor's Wife Is Dead
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: by Andrew Tierney. It's so good, it's so good, like
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: I'm tempted to do it as one of the hooded
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  Speaker 1: who done it? What nows? Even though if you've listened
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  Speaker 1: to this, you've heard it, but you might like be
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  Speaker 1: reading it in my pajamas on camera tends to be
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• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: of that, we have for lessening. Let me see, now
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  Speaker 1: for listening, I'm going to recommend my girls Murder Most Irish.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: If you like true crime, that's Irish, and they're very
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: victim first, they're considerate, they're not our souls. They're absolutely amazing.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Go listen to them. And for watching Bad Sisters, it's
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's so good, it's so it's so it's so good,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: it's so good, go watch it. And yeah, that is
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  Speaker 1: everything for today. I hope you have an amazing evening
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