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The Kenny Report | 20 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight the Coalition turns into a noalition.
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  Speaker 1: Where next for the Nationals and the Liberals?
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  Speaker 2: The war in the Middle East, and Australia joins a
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  Speaker 2: shameful anti Israel chorus.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cross live to Tel Aviv.
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  Speaker 2: Another interest rate cut provides much much needed relief for homeowners,
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  Speaker 2: and Donald Trump weighs in over claims of a Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden medical cover up. I'll cross to Christen Tate in
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  Speaker 2: the US. Also Tim Blair, Susi O'Brien and Stephen senac empire.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: It's only seventeen days since the election, when the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: lost in large part because the right of center voters fractured.
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  Speaker 1: It's split off.
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  Speaker 2: To one nation, Clive Palmer, Bob Catter, Family, First Libertarians
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  Speaker 2: and all the rest of them. But as of today,
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  Speaker 2: the fracturing of the right of center has read historic
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  Speaker 2: new levels. The decision of the Nationals to split away
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  Speaker 2: from the Liberals, to break up the coalition today is
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  Speaker 2: political history unfolding before our very eyes. The coalition arrangements
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  Speaker 2: actually predate the Liberal Party more than a one hundred
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  Speaker 2: years ago, Country Party titan Earl Page formed a coalition
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  Speaker 2: with the Nationalists and then with Robert Menzies United Australia Party.
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  Speaker 2: Post war, this became the coalition with the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: that Menzies had founded, and the coalition became the dominant
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  Speaker 2: party of government for the seventy five years since. There
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  Speaker 2: was a short break in nineteen eighty seven when the
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  Speaker 2: disastrous Joe for PM campaign split the coalition for just
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  Speaker 2: a few months, but otherwise it's been a productive and
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  Speaker 2: often happy marriage until today. National's leader David Little Proud
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  Speaker 2: had spent the past few days negotiating a new coalition
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  Speaker 2: agreement with the new Liberal leader, Susan Lee, but today
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  Speaker 2: he called time the Nationals will leave the coalition and
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  Speaker 2: go their own way.
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  Speaker 3: The dignity that she showed in how she took this
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  Speaker 3: and how she sees a way forward was a reaffirment
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  Speaker 3: that this is an opportunity to reset ourselves and to
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  Speaker 3: do that in an environment where we can I think
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  Speaker 3: that's important. There's no animosity, there's no angst, there's no hate.
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  Speaker 3: It's one predicator on respect and understanding, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that that is the position that we'll go forward on.
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  Speaker 2: Little Proud and his other front bench colleagues existing and
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  Speaker 2: potential will lose money because the official opposition will now
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  Speaker 2: be the Liberal Party on its own, so its front
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  Speaker 2: benches will be the shadow ministers getting a twenty five
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  Speaker 2: percent payloading. None of the Nats in the House more
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  Speaker 2: than ninety Labor MPs will now look across at fewer
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  Speaker 2: than thirty Liberals and about fifteen Nats, along with tears Bills,
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  Speaker 2: other independents and degree Labor will rule the roost across
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  Speaker 2: from a rabble.
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  Speaker 1: Little Proud says, the split is all about policy.
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  Speaker 3: Our party room has got to a position where we
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  Speaker 3: will not be re entering a coalition agreement with the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party after this election. What we have got to
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  Speaker 3: a position is that the National Party will sit alone
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  Speaker 3: on a principal basis, on the basis of looking forward,
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  Speaker 3: not having to look back, and to try and actually
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  Speaker 3: regain important policy pieces that change the lives of the
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  Speaker 3: people we represent.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this is disastrous for the right of center in
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  Speaker 2: the short term, but it is easy to understand the
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  Speaker 2: Nationals in patients. They didn't lose any seats at the
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  Speaker 2: election and feel that they're being pushed around by the
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  Speaker 2: side of the coalition that's underperformed, and all this has
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  Speaker 2: unfolded just four years after the National's compromised bit time,
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  Speaker 2: agreeing in government to join the Liberals in backing net
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  Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 4: After more than two hours of debate, the party room
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  Speaker 4: meeting ended and the leader emerged.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, that we meet a statement may.
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  Speaker 4: Later on and a deal has been struck for net
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  Speaker 4: zero by twenty to fifty.
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  Speaker 5: We are in support of a process going forward that
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  Speaker 5: would go towards the twenty to fifty emissions target.
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  Speaker 2: That decision has always sat uncomfortably with many Nats, but
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  Speaker 2: the junior coalition partner has led the way on other
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  Speaker 2: major issues. It was the Nationals that led the coalition
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  Speaker 2: to oppose the Indigenous Voice.
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  Speaker 1: The Nationals also led the.
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  Speaker 2: Coalition to take up nuclear energy and they are not
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  Speaker 2: ready to sacrifice that or other policies to accommodate a moderate,
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  Speaker 2: a moderate Liberal party with a new moderate leader.
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  Speaker 3: Those positions that we couldn't get comfort around a nuclear
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  Speaker 3: being part of an energy grid into the future. About
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  Speaker 3: the reason Australia Future Fund a twenty billion dollar fund
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  Speaker 3: paying a one billion dollar dividend every year, above and
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  Speaker 3: beyond to change the lives of regional Australians, about employing
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  Speaker 3: and training some doctors, to actually filling in some potholes,
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  Speaker 3: to actually giving young families the hope of childcare what
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  Speaker 3: we fight for every day. That's the principal position we
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  Speaker 3: took that we needed to have comfort around. It's around
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  Speaker 3: divestiture powers for supermarkets.
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  Speaker 2: This is already messy. It's going to get a lot
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  Speaker 2: messier in days and weeks to come. In many ways,
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  Speaker 2: it's uncharted territory.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal leader was caught off guard.
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  Speaker 6: The Liberal Party also insisted that shadow cabinet solidarity be
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  Speaker 6: maintained in any coalition agreement, and that was unable to
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  Speaker 6: be resolved. As the largest non government political party, the
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  Speaker 6: Liberals will form the official opposition.
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  Speaker 2: Both parties say they remain open to discussions and they
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  Speaker 2: expect the coalition will be reformed at some stage, maybe
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  Speaker 2: before the election, maybe after it. But Liberal elder statesman
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  Speaker 2: former Prime Minister John Howard has warned that the longer
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  Speaker 2: they stay apart, the more they could grow apart, and
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  Speaker 2: he worries about terrible consequences, reminding both parties that they've
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  Speaker 2: always been able to accommodate their differences. Look, this will
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  Speaker 2: take a while to unravel. It's another manifestation of the
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  Speaker 2: way climate and energy policies have driven a wedge between
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  Speaker 2: conservatives and small ill liberals. We've had two decades of
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  Speaker 2: disagreement over these policies. At heart, we have a conservative
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  Speaker 2: Nationals Party splitting from a moderate Liberal party, and the
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  Speaker 2: liberal moderates are obsessed with aping labor and the tills
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  Speaker 2: and their unworkable and expensive renewables energy experiment.
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  Speaker 1: Lee only won the leadership by a handful of votes
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  Speaker 1: last week.
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  Speaker 2: So will we see Liberals defect to the Nationals, or
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  Speaker 2: given how Senator just sent a namberjimper Price just defected
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  Speaker 2: from the Nationals to the Liberals, will we see the
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  Speaker 2: Conservatives reclaim the Liberal Party. Whether we're talking weeks, months,
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  Speaker 2: or years. The other leadership ticket of Angus Taylor and
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  Speaker 2: Namber Jipper Price might now have another carrot to dangle
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  Speaker 2: to the party room the re establishment of the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: For now, Susan Lee faces unprecedented up evil just days
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  Speaker 2: into her leadership.
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  Speaker 1: On a personal level.
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  Speaker 2: Grieving her mum who she's yet to bury, now dealing
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  Speaker 2: with a defunct coalition.
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  Speaker 1: She has enormous weight on her shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember a new leader facing such enormous strains.
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  Speaker 2: Politics is a tough business. Let's go to Camber now
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  Speaker 2: and catch up with the Deputy Nationals leader, Kevin Hogan.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Have you just blown up a historic marriage that's worked
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  Speaker 2: well for right of center politics for almost a century.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Chris, I certainly hope that we haven't blown it up,
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  Speaker 5: but look, we are taking I think hopefully just a
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  Speaker 5: temporary reprieve and a temporary separation because you know, we
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  Speaker 5: had three or four We had four things that we
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  Speaker 5: just wanted some clarity on that we didn't feel in
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  Speaker 5: good faith sign a coalition agreement with them unless they
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  Speaker 5: could guarantee us that let's take one of them, Chris.
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  Speaker 5: The Region Australia Future Fund, it took us years to
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  Speaker 5: get them to agree to the Region's Ray Future Fund.
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  Speaker 5: This is twenty billion dollar fund being there every year
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  Speaker 5: for dividends into the regional areas for childcare, health facilities, infrastructure.
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  Speaker 5: It took us a long time to get them to
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  Speaker 5: agree to it. We couldn't throw it out in good
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  Speaker 5: faith and look our communities in the eyes and said, well,
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  Speaker 5: we're sign a new coaltionmlet.
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  Speaker 1: Me jump in the well. But let me jump in there.
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  Speaker 2: No one was asking you to throw away any policies.
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  Speaker 2: A coalition agreement, you divide up the front bench positions
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  Speaker 2: and those sorts of if you're like those sorts of
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  Speaker 2: practical realities, the policy was all going to be up
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  Speaker 2: for grab.
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  Speaker 1: Surely you had.
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  Speaker 2: To maintain the coalition and then discuss those policies. That's
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  Speaker 2: when you could say that your stance on nuclear or
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  Speaker 2: the regional fund is non negotiable.
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  Speaker 5: Chris in the past, in a lot of coalition agreements
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  Speaker 5: that have been policy positions as part of it, because
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  Speaker 5: we know that if we go through the normal process
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  Speaker 5: and through normal shadow cabinet, because we don't have the numbers,
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  Speaker 5: we may not or would not get that. So with
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  Speaker 5: these four policies, three of them which have really been
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  Speaker 5: driven mainly by us, and the Region's very future Fund
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  Speaker 5: being an important part of that, we thought if we
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  Speaker 5: gave that up along with the others going through back
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  Speaker 5: to losing it right, it's gone. We're not agreeing to
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  Speaker 5: that to start with that we may never see the
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  Speaker 5: light of day that again, and it's that important to
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  Speaker 5: us that we wanted it as a principal decision to say, yep,
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  Speaker 5: I know there's the review going on and we're going
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  Speaker 5: to look at a lot of policies, but we need
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  Speaker 5: the guarantee of these because we know how hard it
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  Speaker 5: was to get them up previously, and we just weren't
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  Speaker 5: prepared to sacrifice that and still look our regional communities
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  Speaker 5: in the eye.
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  Speaker 2: It was a massive compromise for the nationals in government
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  Speaker 2: to sign up to net zero by twenty fifty. Is
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  Speaker 2: that key here, because you might want to you might
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  Speaker 2: want to retract that policy, you might want to scrap
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  Speaker 2: your commitment to net zero, and the Liberals would probably
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  Speaker 2: never do that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, that wasn't about the discussion today, Chris. Our
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  Speaker 5: policy is to we adhere to net zero twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 5: But an important part of that, Chris, and you'll remember,
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  Speaker 5: as soon as we signed on to that, we started
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  Speaker 5: talking about nuclear and we started talking about the fact
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  Speaker 5: that if you want the lights to stay on, we
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  Speaker 5: have to have nuclear as part of the solution to that.
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  Speaker 5: So we're you know, again as part of the you
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  Speaker 5: know what we were talking about in the last week
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  Speaker 5: or so we get that we okay, we might want
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  Speaker 5: to walk back and talk about something different than the
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  Speaker 5: seven you know, proposed sites and how it would be funded,
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  Speaker 5: but we said as a starting point, we have to
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  Speaker 5: at least keep that we agree with lifting the moratorium
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  Speaker 5: on it as a starting point, just to have that
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  Speaker 5: as a standard thing as well, because if we don't
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  Speaker 5: do that, the reckless renewable labor policy has all these renewables,
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  Speaker 5: the soul of factories, the wind turbines all through regional Australia,
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  Speaker 5: and we needed a guarantee on that as well and
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  Speaker 5: couldn't get that, you know, Chris, you know, these are
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  Speaker 5: important things for us to have surety if we're going
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  Speaker 5: into an agreement, and we couldn't get there, which is
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  Speaker 5: why we made a very difficult decision.
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  Speaker 2: Today, Absolutely a difficult decision, and these policy issues are
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  Speaker 2: very very important, not just for the coalition parties but
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  Speaker 2: for the country. I just want to finish off though,
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  Speaker 2: by asking what to what extent was this about Susan Lee?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a problem for the Nationals in dealing with
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  Speaker 2: Susan as the Liberal leader?
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  Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with Susan Lee, Chris, We
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  Speaker 5: would have taken this to anyone who was the leader
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  Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party. We also went to Susan and said, look,
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  Speaker 5: these are four things that we need to sort of
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  Speaker 5: agree and before we start talking. We went back to
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  Speaker 5: and Fro a couple of times again Chris to read
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  Speaker 5: and we affirm this. This decision wasn't made either by
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  Speaker 5: the leadership of the Nationals. This was made by the
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  Speaker 5: collective national Federal National Party room. We went back to
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  Speaker 5: them twice and said where are you on this and
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  Speaker 5: day then this morning said quite conclusively we have to
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  Speaker 5: be out of That's all they can get.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Kevin, I appreciate it. Kevin Hogan there,
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  Speaker 2: who's the deputy Nationals leader. I just want to show
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  Speaker 2: you what the Treasurer Jim Chalmers had to say today.
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  Speaker 1: He had some good news.
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  Speaker 2: For the country, reflecting on the latest interest rate cut
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  Speaker 2: of a quarter of a percent, but he couldn't resist
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  Speaker 2: in making hay about what was going on on the
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  Speaker 2: opposition side.
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  Speaker 7: Well, this is a nuclear meltdown and the coalition is
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  Speaker 7: nothing more than a smoking ruin. They are hopelessly divided
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  Speaker 7: on personalities and on policy. It shows that the new
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  Speaker 7: leadership has failed its first test.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to disagree with him, although Hubris would
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  Speaker 2: be the main risk for the Labor Party just at
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  Speaker 2: this stage. Let's go to Melbourne now and catch up
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  Speaker 2: with the Liberal MP for Flinda, Zoe Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Zoe. He's right, isn't he?
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  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, I hate to say that the treasure is right,
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  Speaker 2: but the coalition is now a disorganized rabble, both in
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  Speaker 2: terms of parties, personalities and policies.
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  Speaker 8: Chris, I disagree, and I can see that the Treasurer
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  Speaker 8: is having a cockerhoot time. They're enjoying himself because he's
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  Speaker 8: got an interest rate cut today after the government that
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  Speaker 8: brought you twelve or was at thirteen interest rate rises.
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  Speaker 8: But nevertheless, what has happened today is important. It is
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  Speaker 8: important for the few to the country. It is important
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  Speaker 8: for what I hope will be a stronger coalition when
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  Speaker 8: we come back together. But it does give the Liberal
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  Speaker 8: Party in particular the time it needs to study what
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  Speaker 8: we took to the Australian people at the last election
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  Speaker 8: and to work out what we did wrong and to
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  Speaker 8: make sure we don't do it again.
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  Speaker 1: So these are.
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  Speaker 8: Important phases for us, in particular, the Nationals didn't lose
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  Speaker 8: any net seats. We did. We lost exceptional members of Parliament,
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  Speaker 8: people like Keith Bullahan David Coleman. We need to do
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  Speaker 8: some hard thinking about what we took to the Australian
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  Speaker 8: people and how we do better next time, and we
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  Speaker 8: needed to do that with a clean page in front
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  Speaker 8: of us, not having our hands tied to certain policies,
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  Speaker 8: which I recognized in what Kevin just said. They had
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  Speaker 8: fought really hard for four years and they didn't lose
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  Speaker 8: any seats. It makes sense for them to hold on
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  Speaker 8: to it, but that doesn't give us the breathing space
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  Speaker 8: we need, which we now have. And mysaid's been done
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  Speaker 8: with great grace and kindness and inclusion and enthusiasm for
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  Speaker 8: the future on both David's Behalf and Susan's Where we
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  Speaker 8: will Land.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to John Howard's warning about what
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  Speaker 2: you call this breathing space, and just a note to
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  Speaker 2: our viewers that John Howard will be on later tonight
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  Speaker 2: with Andrew Bolt, so don't miss that John Howard speaking
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  Speaker 2: with Andrew Bolt tonight. But John Howard has said that
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  Speaker 2: the longer the parties stay apart from a coalition, the
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  Speaker 2: more they could grow apart.
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  Speaker 1: And you can see that happening so easily.
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  Speaker 2: If the Liberals, for instance, stick with net zero and
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  Speaker 2: take a backward step on nuclear and the Nationals renig
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  Speaker 2: on net zero and go full on for nuclear, then
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  Speaker 2: suddenly on the key policy divide, your parties will get
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  Speaker 2: further apart and the coalition will be much harder to
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  Speaker 2: put together again.
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  Speaker 8: But Chris, that recognizes where Australians are at. You have
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  Speaker 8: to remember our energy system is currently broken. We took
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  Speaker 8: nuclear to the electorate at the last state. Why because
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  Speaker 8: a most modern economies have nuclear as part of their
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  Speaker 8: industrial and manufacturing energy backbone. But equally because the National
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  Speaker 8: Party was the party in the constituencies that were being
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  Speaker 8: asked to carry the burden for labors solar and wind
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  Speaker 8: only planned. They were the ones who were going to
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  Speaker 8: have the twenty eight thousand kilometers of poles and wires
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  Speaker 8: erected through their farmland. It makes perfect sense that that
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  Speaker 8: is an article of faith now for the National Party.
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  Speaker 8: But we have to recognize the boat we got in
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  Speaker 8: the metropolitan areas and we don't make our way back
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  Speaker 8: to government unless we win some of those seats back,
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  Speaker 8: So we have to understand how important was nuclear in
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  Speaker 8: that outcome and what we can craft going forward as
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  Speaker 8: a platform that will bring Australians of both the rural areas,
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  Speaker 8: the regional areas and the metropolitan areas to the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of water yet to go under the bridge. Just briefly,
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  Speaker 2: your reaction to the interest rate cut. The labor will
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  Speaker 2: say this is their economic management coming to fruition.
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  Speaker 8: They're acting like people aren't doing it tough anymore. Honestly,
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  Speaker 8: it's like they won an election, they got a huge
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  Speaker 8: number of seats and everything's everything's rainbows Again, let me
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  Speaker 8: tell you it's not rainbows in my electorate. I scoured
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  Speaker 8: the Victorian budget papers today to see anything for the
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  Speaker 8: southern Mornington Potinsula. Absolutely nothing. No fixes for the Roseby Hospital,
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  Speaker 8: no fixes for our roads down here. People are still
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  Speaker 8: doing it tough. Businesses are still closing. We've still had
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  Speaker 8: more than thirty thousand businesses closed this in the last
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  Speaker 8: government term and it will continue to be a challenging
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  Speaker 8: set of circumstances. So I'm sure Jim Chalmer's having a
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  Speaker 8: great time patting himself on the back for today's one
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  Speaker 8: increment in the right direction, but we've got a long
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  Speaker 8: way to go before there's confidence in business circles and
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  Speaker 8: an ability for businesses to keep growing and keep employing,
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  Speaker 8: keep providing opportunity for Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Zoe thanks for joining us. Zoey Mackenzie. There the Liberal MP.
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  Speaker 1: Not the Coalition MP.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition is no more the Liberal MP for the
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  Speaker 2: seat of Flinders. On the morning to Peninsula, I've got
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to get to a break. On the other side, Tim
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  Speaker 2: Blair will join me. We'll talk about how a thousand
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  Speaker 2: workers on the snowy two point o project heading for
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  Speaker 2: a twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Five for our strike.
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  Speaker 2: Some people might not notice any difference because the tumbling
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  Speaker 2: has been slow going.
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  Speaker 1: Let's catch up with the Daily Telegraphs.
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  Speaker 2: Tim Blair, the right of center commentator who doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: anything about regional Australia, hardly ever visits for Regional Australia because.
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  Speaker 1: He's standing in it, because he lives in it. Goodnes
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  Speaker 1: see him. I just want to show you something first.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: It's a little clip that we would have talked about
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: two or three years ago, but I'd forgotten about it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And let's have a bit of a reprise of this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: little snippet of the Joe Biden when he was president.
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: Well and the ones that didn't vote for your bills
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: but run on them. That's sure, mister president. Thank you,
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: thank you, thank you very much. Appreciate you, thank you.
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: Don't go anywhere. It's a very exciting day around here.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: We'll have reaction and analysis to everything we just heard.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It's just glorious. He just wanders off for the studio
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: in a live interview. The reason I wanted to refresh
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: your memory about that one, Timmy's.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I've got some breaking news for you, staggering news that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the sleuths of the White House Press Corps, led by
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper, have put together and they're saying that Joe
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Biden wasn't full compass mentors during his presidency that finally
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: realized it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Incredible, isn't it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. I mean not since Watergate. The Washington Press
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Corps got together and more completely discovered a hidden scandal.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: But this is a bit like someone who spent their
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: entire life complaining about, you know, the or alleging that
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: the moon landing was fake, suddenly turning around and saying, hey,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I reckon, they landed it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: After all, you know, everyone.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Knows, I just love this. He just gets up and
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: goes away. That is just fine, perfectly cool. No one
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: look at them. Look at the poor host. She's like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you know, she actually said to the viewers, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: please stick around. I think she was actually probably aiming
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: that more towards the president. Fantastic looker.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Hats off, as you said to Jake Tappa and the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: crew with this sort of Watergate style investigation, that they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: have been relentless post election, speaking to everyone and putting
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the pieces together and finally working out that Joe Biden
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't in full command of his faculties as president. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: when they look back now they can just decipher some
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: little clues like.
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: This one making sure that we're able to make every
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: do with the with the COVID I s could be
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: with dealing with everything we have to do with.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Look, if we finally beat.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Medicare, well, look there was some evidence there if you
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: looked hard enough.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: That was you know, during the infamous you know, first
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: and only debate that was held and at which point
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: everyone pretended to just notice for the very first time,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You know, the President's not.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Not so he's not stepping so lively out there everyone else.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: We're thousands of miles away. We saw the clips, we
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: saw the YouTube clips, we saw other networks revealing that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: You know, he is a clip of him trying to
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: climb stairs. He's another clip of him trying to talk.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: We knew that something wasn't right, but Joe Biden something
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: that is very typical the people in his age category,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: and the way that they kept trying to insist right
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: U until that moment. They're insisting that the Biden was
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: all there and he wasn't. And it's just sad.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's sad, and it was shameful the way they hit
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I want to bring it back to Australia now and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: go back to another former leader. Here he is, former
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull talking about snowy two point zero.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I am a nation building prime minister, believe me, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: this is a nation building project.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: These are big.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Dreams in these mountains.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Courage, a belief in the future, a confidence in Australia.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the younger generations, you never saw a Marlborough
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and that's what they look like. But big news that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the whole workforce is on strike. This has been a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: trouble plagued project. Those tunnel boring machines going nowhere, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: now the workforce is going on strike.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they haven't haven't exactly picked a great moment for
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: this strike have I mean, for a start, it's almost
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: as though it's similar to a strike at a de
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: cel plant. How would we ever know it's interrupt our
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: daily lives. It's like me boycott in the AFL. They
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: don't care. It's not noticeable. But also, you don't really
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: want greater public attention on your project when no one
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: really likes the project or knows much about it, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: the only focus is going to be negative. So I'm
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: not sure about the the rationale, or the strategy or
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: the tactics here. I don't think it's going to work
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: out very well.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's an expect nation waiting on
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: their every word about what's going to happen next. Good
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to talk to you, Tim. We'll catch up with you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: on Thursday. Tim Blair there, you can read his stuff
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in the Daily Telegraph. We're going to get to a break.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: On the other side.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about the war in the Middle
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: East and also how Australia has joined a shameful anti
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Israel chorus or cross live to tell Aviv. I want
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to turn to the latest developments in the Middle East,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: where Israel has begun a new ground offensive in Gaza,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and I want to examine some of the ramifications back
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: here as well. For instance, the Queensland government is trying
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to have a literary award removed from an.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Author who's offered support.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: For former Hummas leader Jaga Sinwa. Karen Wilde was given
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: an Indigenous Writing Fellowship by the Queensland State Library, but
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: it could now be stripped from her. I certainly hope
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it is because look at what she posted on social
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: media last October after Israeli soldiers killed the then Humas
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: leader Veil to the martyr Sinwash, he said, resisting colonization
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: until his last breath, fighting the genocidal oppressors, like a hero,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: sacrificing his life for love of his people and ancestral Land.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: This is beyond the pale lauding.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: A murderous terrorist leader, the man who orchestrated the October
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the seventh atrocities, the murder, torture, rape and kidnapping of
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: almost fifteen hundred Israelis, the overwhelming majority of them innocent civilians, children,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the elderly, young music festival revelers lauding this evil Islamist
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: terrorist to some kind of freedom fighter, even while about
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: twenty live hostages are still held by Hummas, along with
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: about thirty hostage bodies. What level of depravity is too
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: much for these activists. Do they not know anything about
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: what they are endorsing? They can't be ignorant. Ignorance on
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: these issues is inexcusable, and this comes after shocking testimony
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: given to a new South Wales parliamentary inquiry into antisemitism
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: last night. The level of hatred and misinformation on display
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: was truly frightening.
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: Hamas and his Bolla tourist are not anti Semitic organizations,
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: not by the statement, not by the covenments, not by
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: the action.
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: So, mister worman, will you condemn the massacre that took
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: place on October seventh?
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: No, if you have any problem with Hamas's rule, go
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: to Tel Aviv and start arguing with the Department of
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: Defense over there. Hamas's attack was an outcome of Israel's
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: continued occupation.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Blaming the victims. This is terrible stuff.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: In the UK, the BBC's face of soccer, Gary Lineker,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: is leaving his job after a series of controversies involving politics,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the Middle East and social media. His latest horrible act
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: was to repost a clip about Zionism which used a
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: cartoon character of a rat. He since removed it and apologized,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: but he'll be moving on. This is the new angle
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: on all of this stuff, to somehow demonize Zionism, pretending
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: that's acceptable. But without Zionism there would be no Israel
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and in the Middle East that means no Jews because
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: we know that Hamas Hesbalah Islamic State and all the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: rest of these Islamist outfits their aim is to kill
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: or expel all Jews from the region, So we shouldn't
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: tolerate these attacks on Zionism and Zionists. These despicable side
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: shows in Britain and Australia come as there are reports
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that the latest monster to lead Hamas Sinhwar's brother Muhammad,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: has also been killed in a targeted Israeli rocket attack.
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: Initial report say the body of Hamas terror leader Mohammed
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: Sinwar has been found in a tunnel struck by the
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: IDAF in southern Gaza's Khan Unit. Now all of this
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: information here just coming into our newsroom at this hour.
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: Mohammed Sinwar had been targeted by the israel Defense forces
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: just last week in an underground command compound below a hospital.
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: The Saundi news reports also state that the bodies of
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: ten of the terror leaders' aids were found alongside him.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Israeli troops are now involved in a major ground defensive
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: into Gaza to try to root out the remaining Humas terrorists.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And free the hostages.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: This comes as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Israel will retake the entire Gaza strip, and his negotiators
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: have compromised, suggesting some Hamas operatives could be allowed to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: flee to other countries. Israel has also allowed additional aid
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: supplies into Gaza, and many European nations have threatened sanctions
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: against Israel if they don't allow more food aid. Australia too,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: criticized Israel and demand that it ships more aid into Gaza.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: You'd think Australia and.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: The other nations might do a bit more to demand
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that Hamas ends the war. You know, return the hostages,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: people seized in a war crime and whose capture and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: holding has been an ongoing war crime for everyone. Of
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the past five hundred and ninety one days. Yeah, more
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: than a year and a half, they've been holding hostages, torturing, starving,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and killing hostages and countries, including our own call out Israel,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the country whose people were murdered, the country whose people
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: are still held hostage, the country attacked from Hesbalah and
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Iran in the north, Hamas and Islamic jihad from the south,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and the uties from the east. Apparently Israel the target
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of all these attacks. Israel is the problem according to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: these people. What a warped perspective.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: This sort of.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Moral confusion only bolsters the propaganda of Hummas and its
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Islamist supporters and anti Semitic supporters right around the world.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It's a disgrace and a fact of national shame that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi allows Australia's foreign policy to be
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: sucked down this blind alley. Instead of standing up for Israel,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: for the rule of law, for innocent victims, and for
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: democracy and freedom. Albanesi should be visiting Israel right now
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: on his way back from Rome. Instead, his government lectures
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Israel while Israelis are still held hostage. As I've said
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: since day one, for almost six hundred days. Now, the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: way to end this war is simple and unavoidable. Hummas
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: needs to lay down its arms and surrender the hostages.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Israel can't leave its hostages in the hands of Hummas,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and it can't leave its citizens exposed to the monstrous
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and murderous aims of Hummas ever again. And all those
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: people who don't understand this, they need to read, they
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: need to watch, and they need to listen, because there's
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: no excuse for their ignorance and the hatred it facilitates.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Let's cross to tell Aviv now and catch up with
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: lee or Canan.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Who's the political respond correspondent with Channel thirteen. Lee Or,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you interviewed me some months ago, so it's time for.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You to return the favor. Thanks for joining us.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I first want to get your sense of the global pressure,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the international community putting pressure on Israel all the time
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: in this conflict. How much how is that received by
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the Israeli population. Is there resentment about that or have
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just come to expect it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: First of all, Chris thanks for having me, happy to
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: be here, and thank you for your world clarity.
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: I think you said some very important things, and of
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: Israel is worried.
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: I think about what we see from different countries around
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: the world, especially in the past few days. You mentioned
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: the declarations from different countries. Of course, there are also
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: there's also the pressure from the United States and the
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: Trump administration, which Israel greatly needs and wants its support
• 31:24
  Speaker 13: in order to continue. And I think it's something to
• 31:26
  Speaker 13: worry about. And Israel is at a crossroad now, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 13: because there are negotiations going on about a hostage deal,
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: either a partial one or either one that will bring
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: everyone home, but that, according to the State of Israel,
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: has to include Hamas putting down.
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: His weapons, his leaders, leaving Gaza, and of course returning
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: all of the.
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: Hostages, fifty eight of them, as you mentioned, they're still there,
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: you know, fathers of young children, soldiers.
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: Men and women who are no longer alive.
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: Unfortunately, at least twenty of the fifty eight are still alive,
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: being tortured there in the Comas tunnels. So Israel, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: think wants definitely to get everyone back. But the negotiation
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: now it's not very clear if it's a leading unfortunately
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: to an agreement or Israel will have to continue. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: it says it's a military action in Gaza which is
• 32:28
  Speaker 13: becoming wider, and there are more units being brought in
• 32:33
  Speaker 13: in order to achieve the goal, and that is ultimately
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: having Comas not be a threat on Israel, on its
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: national security anymore, because as you said, Israel cannot afford
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: to have this threat right by its border and have
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: the option of October seventh ever happening against. We think
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: people are worried about different statements being made, and I
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: think there's a lot of hypocrisy, as you I think
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: explained very well, because people maybe need to be reminded.
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: I know you don't and many people don't be in
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: the reminder, but many people around the world do need
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: to be reminded that some mass is the one who
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: started this. On October seventh, invaded the Israeli you know, towns, cities,
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: Gibbutz and murdered and raped and took hostage more than
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: two hundred and fifty one people to Gaza and killed
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: more than one thousand.
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: Now they were well did this one?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Now there are two very important things happening amongent, there's
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the ground defensive. To go in there and try and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: take out Hamas and get the hostages. This is very
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: difficult for the Israeli military because they can be picked
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: off by the Hamas terrorists on the ground in there.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But secondly, more aid is going into Gaza.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And people need to understand that's the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Only way that the people, the Palestinians in Gaza have
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: been able to survive this last year and a half
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: is the aid that the Israelis have allowed them facilitated
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to go in there. I mean, they've been supporting the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Palestinian people at the same time they've been fighting Hamas.
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and you know, the problem is that, unfortunately a
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: lot of this humanitarian aid reaches the hands of Hamas,
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: and that's what Israel is trying to make sure doesn't
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: happen anymore. So there was a decision two days ago
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: to bringing more humanitarian aid to help the population in Gaza,
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: the civilian population. But you know, I think probably the
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: State of Israel and the people of Israel care much
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: more about the population in Gaza than Hamas does. Unfortunately,
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: because we see Hamasi using them as human shields, we
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: see the launch missiles from hospitals and schools. Then we
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: see them take over the humanitarian aid. So I think Israel,
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: you know, because it's part of our morals and the
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: way we believe things should be.
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: We don't want to have people.
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: Who are not involved Hungary or in danger in Gaza.
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: And I think it's also necessary in order to continue
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: the military.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Action so much else trying to do exactly well, explained
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: lee Or, thanks so much for joining us and give
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you your perspective.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it greatly.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Leor Canen there who's a journalist to political journalist with
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Channel thirteen in Israel.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Now I want to go to the US.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And it's almost three and a half years now since
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Russia invaded Ukraine. Now, work towards ceasefire there continues, with
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump speaking with Vladimir Putin again in
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours.
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: But we just spent two and a half hours talking
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: to Vladimir Putin, and I think some progress has been made.
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: It's a terrible situation going on over there, five thousand
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: young people every single week of being killed. So hopefully
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: we would.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: And he is Russian President Vladimir Pudin.
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: We have agreed with the President of the United States
• 36:08
  Speaker 16: that Russia will propose and is ready to work with
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: the Ukrainian side on a memorandum on a possible future
• 36:13
  Speaker 16: peace accord, defining a number of positions such as, for example,
• 36:17
  Speaker 16: the principles of settlements, the timing of a possible peace agreement.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So, I put it to our US analyst Christen Tate
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that the President's intervention here sounds encouraging and looks like
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: leading to meaningful ceasefire talks.
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: Yes, I think so too.
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: This is a positive step forward.
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: Do I think this will all be over imminently? I
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: hope so. But no, this is likely just a step
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: in the right reaction.
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: As I've been saying since Trump took office, this issue
• 36:46
  Speaker 17: is much more nuanced and complicated than I suspect he
• 36:49
  Speaker 17: believed when he was on the campaign trail.
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: But yes, this is a great step in the right reaction.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll keep on top of that one.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: When it comes to US politics, the big news this
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: week has been all about the I'm a President Joe
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Biden the sad news that he's suffering quite advanced prostite cancer.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Tell us how the American public and media have been
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: reacting to this.
• 37:11
  Speaker 17: Yes, so we were told that he has stage four
• 37:14
  Speaker 17: terminal prostate cancer. The media is acting completely shocked, or
• 37:19
  Speaker 17: they were at least for about five minutes after this
• 37:22
  Speaker 17: news broke.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: But I just wanted to underscore the point here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 17: I mean, there is a real chance that the former
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: President of the United States, Joe Biden, had terminal cancer
• 37:33
  Speaker 17: during his presidency, and we the American people, were lied
• 37:37
  Speaker 17: about it, lied to about it for years by his
• 37:40
  Speaker 17: wife Joe Biden, by his doctors, and by his handlers.
• 37:44
  Speaker 17: And if this is the case, if they lied about that, Chris,
• 37:48
  Speaker 17: this would make uh, this will be one of the
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: biggest political scandals in American history. And the media seems
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: to have no questions about it. They're completely disinterested in
• 37:59
  Speaker 17: this scandal.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Well, they've always been disinterested in the state of Joe Biden.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Just to put some context around this.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Of course, presidents have regular medical checks and they do
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: an annual one.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Where the results have made public.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Now, any blog over the age of fifty knows that's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: going to involve tests for prostrate cancer. And yet we
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: heard nothing about this. But it's now in advanced cancer.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And this, of course comes on top of all the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: revelations ex post facto about Joe Biden's mental state. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: here's what President Donald Trump has been saying about that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Just in the last twenty four hours.
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: There are things going on that the public wasn't informed.
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: And I think somebody's going to have to speak to
• 38:39
  Speaker 18: his doctor. If it's the same or even if it's
• 38:41
  Speaker 18: two separate doctors. Why wasn't the cognitive ability.
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: Way was in that discussed?
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: And I think the doctor said he's just fine, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: it's turned out that's not.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So He's absolutely right, Christen needs to be all these
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: things need to be chased down.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Be scandalous if it was the other way around, of course.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Of course.
• 39:04
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's almost impossible to believe that Biden went from
• 39:07
  Speaker 17: a totally clean bill of health six months ago when
• 39:09
  Speaker 17: we were told he was completely fit to be president,
• 39:13
  Speaker 17: to having stage four terminal prostate cancer today. Any expert
• 39:17
  Speaker 17: will tell you that's a very slow growing cancer that's
• 39:20
  Speaker 17: easily detectable. The cancer at this point has spread to
• 39:23
  Speaker 17: his bones and will likely eventually kill him, maybe in
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: a few years, maybe sooner than that. But look, if
• 39:29
  Speaker 17: he had been elected in November, there's a very significant
• 39:32
  Speaker 17: chance that Kamala Harris likely would have been installed as
• 39:36
  Speaker 17: president sometime in the next four years.
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: And it makes you wonder if that was the plan.
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: You know, the Democrats were going to get their first
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: female president by doing whatever had to be done to
• 39:46
  Speaker 17: get a dementia ridden cancer patient in office and then
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: just install her when he passed away.
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: And if that's the case.
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: If there were people who knew about this for years
• 39:57
  Speaker 17: and lied about it, those people need to be prisoned.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: We need to find out who those people are. Congress
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: needs to.
• 40:03
  Speaker 17: Investigate this thoroughly, put everyone involved under oath, and hold
• 40:07
  Speaker 17: the people accountable who ride the American public about this.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Well, this is not an outrageous theory anymore Christian, of course,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: because even the leftist media are now claiming that they
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: would lied to about the president's President Joe Biden's mental state.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: The book that we talked about in our program last night,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Original Sin, by Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper. They're saying
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that they were fooled by the White House. The White
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: House was thinking about putting Joe Biden in a wheelchair.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: They weren't told about it. They were convinced that he
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: was okay. I think this is nonsense, because we could
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: all see the state of the president. You and I
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: were talking about it for years, that he wasn't up
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: to the job. But nonetheless, Jake Tapper says he and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the rest of the White House pres corps were fooled.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Here's some of what he's had to say.
• 40:53
  Speaker 19: We spoke with more than two hundred people, most of whom,
• 40:56
  Speaker 19: almost all of whom were Democrats, and almost all of
• 40:59
  Speaker 19: whom we couldn't be honest with us or wouldn't be
• 41:02
  Speaker 19: candid with us until after the election. And then after
• 41:05
  Speaker 19: the election we found out all of these things that
• 41:08
  Speaker 19: when you looked at what was going on with President
• 41:10
  Speaker 19: Biden at the time, it probably doesn't surprise you the
• 41:13
  Speaker 19: extent to which he was deteriorating. But now we have
• 41:16
  Speaker 19: anecdotes and facts about what was really going on behind
• 41:19
  Speaker 19: the scenes.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on, Christian, they found out all of these
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: things after the election.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: How convenience, right?
• 41:26
  Speaker 17: Yeah, you think this book would be coming out if
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: he had been elected, or if Kamala had been elected
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: in November. Nope, But look, this book by Topper comes
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: out in just a couple of days, and I do
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: find it a very strange coincidence that the Biden team
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: would make this announcement about his diagnosis right now. It
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: almost makes you think that they are trying to garner
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: sympathy for him with the American public before the release
• 41:49
  Speaker 17: of this book.
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: And if that's the case, it is diabolical.
• 41:52
  Speaker 17: I mean, this is just a deplorable stuff and the
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: big question that the media doesn't seem to care about
• 41:59
  Speaker 17: at all. But the most important question is who was
• 42:02
  Speaker 17: running the country for the last four years.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: We know it wasn't Joe Biden. Who was it?
• 42:07
  Speaker 17: Whoever was running the country is still out there. We
• 42:10
  Speaker 17: deserve to know who was making decisions while Joe Biden
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: held the title of President of the United States. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 17: terrifying that we don't know who was at the.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Wheel spot on Kristin, who was running the country and
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: who can ever trust the White House Press Corps ever?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Again, thanks so much for joining us.
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Chris.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Incredible story, isn't it. Now we've got to take a break.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll catch up with Susio O'Brien
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and Stephen Senate Tiempo see what they reckon about the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Nats and the Libs.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: We're two from here.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Springing the panel now with Susio Brien from The Herald
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Son joining us from Melbourne and Radio two Double see
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Breakfast host Stephen Senate Tempo in the nation's capital. Wow,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: what a day. Hey, the coalition is no longer, Susie.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: These two parties, the Liberals and the Nationals have always
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: throw the coalition been greater than the sum of their
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: two parts, right, and they're just throwing that away.
• 43:06
  Speaker 20: Oh look, they're definitely both stronger together. And it just
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: seems like the Nats, you know, took a gamble called
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: the bluff and they couldn't pull it off.
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: And this is going to be.
• 43:16
  Speaker 20: Absolutely disastrous for them. They're not going to have anyone
• 43:19
  Speaker 20: in shadow cabinet. It seems as if Susan Lee, Susan
• 43:23
  Speaker 20: Lee was willing to say to support a number of
• 43:28
  Speaker 20: the things that they wanted. She couldn't absolutely guarantee it,
• 43:31
  Speaker 20: but it seemed like there was enough agreement. But that
• 43:33
  Speaker 20: wasn't enough.
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: For the Nats.
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: And they've taken their ball and they've gone home. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 20: I think, you know, they must be looking their wounds
• 43:40
  Speaker 20: right now. That was a massive gamble that has not
• 43:43
  Speaker 20: paid off.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a real worry, Steve, and I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: understand the policy imperatives that the Gnats want to cling to,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: but it's unrealistic to expect Susan Lee to give them
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: guarantees on that. Now you've got to get the coalition
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: functioning and then thrash.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Out those policy ideas.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: If they can't deal with the Liberal stance on those
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: policies a month or so down the track, well then
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: maybe you'd pull out.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: But they haven't even really given it a crack. Chris,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I got to disagree with you here.
• 44:11
  Speaker 21: I think the fundamental difference here is the Nationals know
• 44:14
  Speaker 21: what they stand for.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party doesn't.
• 44:16
  Speaker 21: And if you look at Susan Lee's press conferences afternoon,
• 44:18
  Speaker 21: she said as much. We need time to work out
• 44:20
  Speaker 21: what we believe in. I mean, this is the problem
• 44:22
  Speaker 21: with the Liberal Party. It has lost its identity, doesn't
• 44:25
  Speaker 21: know what it stands for. When we look at the
• 44:27
  Speaker 21: demands that or the ones that we are told are
• 44:30
  Speaker 21: the demands that the Nationals put forward, they were infinitely reasonable.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Now let me just jump to any of it, seats,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: let me just jump in and let you finish. But
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: those are all existing policies of the coalition. So they're
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: not scraps, they're existing policies and all Susan Lee has said, well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I can't guarantee they.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Stay yet, We've got to thresh all this out.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: But because obviously got to be a very good chance
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: they stay, especially if they're that's stay in the coalition.
• 44:55
  Speaker 21: Well, if that's the case, then I think that and
• 44:57
  Speaker 21: I think this is only a temporary split, and I
• 44:59
  Speaker 21: think the coalition comes back together if the Liberals do
• 45:01
  Speaker 21: get their act together. But the problem the Liberals have
• 45:04
  Speaker 21: got is, and as I say, it's identity. The Nationals
• 45:07
  Speaker 21: know exactly what they stand for, they know who they represent,
• 45:09
  Speaker 21: and that's why they didn't lose any seats. The Liberal
• 45:12
  Speaker 21: Party doesn't know what it stands for. And if you
• 45:14
  Speaker 21: listen to all the rhetoric from its various members that
• 45:16
  Speaker 21: have come out, I mean it's been an absolute media
• 45:19
  Speaker 21: rabbel since the election, where the few members of the
• 45:22
  Speaker 21: Liberal Party that have come out and spoken they don't
• 45:25
  Speaker 21: know what they stand for. They're saying that what we
• 45:28
  Speaker 21: need to do is listen to the people who don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 21: want us to win. We need to listen to what
• 45:31
  Speaker 21: our opponents want, and that's how somehow we're going to
• 45:34
  Speaker 21: win an election. No, they need to come up with
• 45:36
  Speaker 21: a cogent policy platform. And if consusanbly can't guarantee things
• 45:40
  Speaker 21: that are already coalition policy that we're infinitely sensible but
• 45:43
  Speaker 21: they just couldn't sell at the last election, then they've
• 45:46
  Speaker 21: completely lost the plot. And I think the Nationals far
• 45:48
  Speaker 21: better off being apart from it the moment.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier that the great man former Prime Minister
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: John Howard is appearing on Andrew Bolt's program tonight.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We've got a little snippet of that interview. I haven't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: seen it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 22: Let's say, look, I am very sorry that this has happened,
• 46:05
  Speaker 22: and I urge both parties to work over time to
• 46:11
  Speaker 22: put the collision back together again.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: As John Howard that full interview will be with Andrew
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Bolt tonight.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But SUSI, this is the point.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, John Howard knows more about this stuff than
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: anybody else has forgotten over the years, and he went
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: through the Joe for PM thing back in eighty seven.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: He knows how important it is, and he's worried that
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: in this time apart, they'll grow further apart.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: What if the NATS scrap Net zero.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And the Libs sort of scrap nuclear or whatever, then
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: they're suddenly heading off in opposite directions.
• 46:42
  Speaker 20: I think they've already started heading in opposite directions because
• 46:45
  Speaker 20: under Susan Lee, the liberals't have to move more into
• 46:48
  Speaker 20: the sensible middle, and the Underlittle Proud absolutely rationals.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: Are moving further to the right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 20: And I think you know, you look at some of
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: those policies that those nationals are hanging on to with
• 47:00
  Speaker 20: dear life, like net zero, opposition to net zero by
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: twenty fifty, and also the nuclear policy. They were not
• 47:09
  Speaker 20: popular at this later election. They didn't enunciate what the
• 47:16
  Speaker 20: nuclear Stephen's angry they didn't enunciate the nuclear policy well enough,
• 47:22
  Speaker 20: and also amongst younger voters that they desperately need to
• 47:25
  Speaker 20: get junking. Net zero by twenty fifty is the worst
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: possible thing.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they haven't done that, but they might do it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 21: Your response, Stephen, Well, the thing about net zero is
• 47:36
  Speaker 21: we know that net zero by twenty thirty is not possible,
• 47:39
  Speaker 21: so you know, to enunciate okay, well, or even by
• 47:43
  Speaker 21: twenty fifty it's not possible. So if you can enunciate
• 47:46
  Speaker 21: that policy, you fix that problem. And all this rubbish
• 47:48
  Speaker 21: about moving to the sensible center. If the Liberal Party
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: wants to move to the sensible center, they need to
• 47:53
  Speaker 21: move further the right, because the last two decades they've
• 47:56
  Speaker 21: been moving towards the left. Now everybody wants to paint
• 47:58
  Speaker 21: a different narrative, but we need to start telling the
• 48:00
  Speaker 21: truth and they need to start waking up to themselves
• 48:03
  Speaker 21: that what they need is centrist conservative policies, not this
• 48:07
  Speaker 21: rabid lefty follow the leader stuff and all this me
• 48:09
  Speaker 21: tourism that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: They went to the election with.
• 48:11
  Speaker 21: Look stand for something, anything will do.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I think they've got to stick with those policies that
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the Nats want, but it looks impossible.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I think you're both right in that kind of way.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I just want to get your personal assessments. If there's time,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I'll start with you.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Susie Susan Lee, the first Liberal leader, the first female
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Liberal leader. You've got to feel for her personally, losing
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: her mum in the last week that the coalitions for
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the pressure on her. She hasn't even named a front
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: bench now now it will be a huge bench because
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: they're all liberals.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's strain on her is enormous.
• 48:47
  Speaker 20: Yeah, the Harold Sun had a really nice or news
• 48:50
  Speaker 20: Court papers had a really nice interview with Susan Lee
• 48:53
  Speaker 20: about losing her mum. And she was alive long enough
• 48:56
  Speaker 20: to see her daughter get elected to that position, and
• 48:58
  Speaker 20: they sat around and enjoyed that moment. So that must
• 49:01
  Speaker 20: have been at least one nice thing for her. But yes,
• 49:04
  Speaker 20: this is she's really walked into a complete and utter rabble.
• 49:08
  Speaker 20: And I felt like she was quite reasonable in saying,
• 49:12
  Speaker 20: we'll probably support a lot of those policies, we just
• 49:14
  Speaker 20: can't guarantee it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: And they can't also allow the Nationals just.
• 49:18
  Speaker 20: To have free reigning caucus, you know, voting against anything
• 49:22
  Speaker 20: they want to vote against. And you know, on the floor,
• 49:25
  Speaker 20: like the Nationals, what they were wanting was not workable
• 49:29
  Speaker 20: under it. That's not a coalition, that's a unitary party
• 49:32
  Speaker 20: within another party. That doesn't work.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You've got five seconds, Stephen. Can she pull it together?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 49:39
  Speaker 21: Look, I don't think so because look and I condolence
• 49:42
  Speaker 21: is about the loss of her mum. But if she
• 49:43
  Speaker 21: thinks this is pressure, imagine if she ever wins the
• 49:46
  Speaker 21: big job. You know, so, I mean, this is this
• 49:48
  Speaker 21: is what she signed up for.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Stephen, saying thanks Susie really appreciate it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: A hell of a day.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Don't forget John Howard coming up with Andrew Bolk. Here's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Peter Quidlin