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79 Witness to Twin Baby Sasquatch Birth With Tom Cantrall · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is episode seventy nine with one mister
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  Speaker 1: Tom Cantrell. I was brought to attention by Tom ConTroll
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  Speaker 1: with through what is her name? Barb Hartman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I remember is because I always say Barber.
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  Speaker 1: She says, please call me Barb. And we had a
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  Speaker 1: we had a We had an interesting discussion a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks back by this point, and she's like, you
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  Speaker 1: know someone you need to have on is Tom Control.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay, who is he. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a lifelong experiencer of you know, bigfoot sasquatch
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  Speaker 1: and he's friends with Bob Gimblin. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what he was friends with Bob Gimblin of the Patterson
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  Speaker 1: Gimblet for those who don't know. She goes, yeah, yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're still friends. I was like what okay, and I
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  Speaker 1: reached out to him and he came on and there's
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  Speaker 1: some weird sounds in the background. I can't do something
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  Speaker 1: on his side. It's like, I guess someone crossing a
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  Speaker 1: threshold of a door or his phone or something. But
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  Speaker 1: the gentleman's eighty two years old, and you know the
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  Speaker 1: audio and stuff like that is just not in his
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  Speaker 1: strong suit, just like the rest of the internet and
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  Speaker 1: technology is not my strong suit. So you'll hear a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that, so just ignore that and listen
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  Speaker 1: to the conversation. So he came on and right away
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic gentleman, very sweet, very humble, very kind, very knowledgeable,
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  Speaker 1: very you know. He gave all the tell tell signs
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  Speaker 1: you know that he's telling the truth about what he's
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  Speaker 1: talking about, which I enjoyed immensely. So it was just
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  Speaker 1: a great conversation and we really didn't get into much.
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  Speaker 1: We really didn't get into like a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: But he got to this one point he told me
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  Speaker 1: before the interview that on the wall behind him there
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  Speaker 1: was a you know, you can you can see it
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  Speaker 1: in the audio. Excuse me to visual a video version
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  Speaker 1: of her on YouTube Grevin Air, like the subscribe to channel,
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  Speaker 1: so you can see that. And he was in the
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  Speaker 1: green room before we started recording. He pulled it up
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  Speaker 1: over his either left or right shoulder. I never can
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  Speaker 1: tell when these cameras are either reversed or not sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, yeah, this is a representation
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  Speaker 1: of me standing next to it. I can't remember the
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  Speaker 1: name of the Sasquatch. Sorry, sorry, sir, I couldn't remember
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  Speaker 1: the name. But he was like, yeah, this is me
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  Speaker 1: and so and so, and you can see the difference.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a nine foot something and I'm six foot four,
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  Speaker 1: so you can see the difference.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like what.
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  Speaker 1: And he proceeds to get you know, into, you know,
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  Speaker 1: about how it all started. And then he gets into yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got into contact with like the elder of this
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  Speaker 1: particular area, and he told me about their mating habits
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  Speaker 1: and how they do that, how many children they have,
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  Speaker 1: how often they have them, Like, well, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: one every seven years, I think, he said, and that
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  Speaker 1: there's three hundred and Washington, it's something like three and
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  Speaker 1: a half four What do you say, No, he said
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  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand throughout the United States, That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: And that they when they decide to have children, they
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  Speaker 1: come together and cop you know, like they copulate of
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  Speaker 1: course later, but they have elders from different regions of
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  Speaker 1: the area of North America send out messages and they
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  Speaker 1: transverse the continent to match pairs to keep the gene
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  Speaker 1: pool mixed.
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  Speaker 2: I guess as well.
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  Speaker 1: And he also told me his wild story of like
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  Speaker 1: you know, seeing a sasquatch give birth and and and
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  Speaker 1: invited in by the group elders or the elder and
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  Speaker 1: others to actually experience they give birth then them give birth,
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  Speaker 1: and it's pretty it's very touching, it's very wild and crazy,
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  Speaker 1: and uh it's definitely definitely worth listening to you guys,
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  Speaker 1: enjoy this episode with mister Tom Cantrell. Well, hello, that's
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  Speaker 1: like you, sir. I am doing fine, my friend. I
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate the fact that you decided to come on
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  Speaker 1: to talk with me today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I never turned down an invitation if I have
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  Speaker 2: time for it, yeah, yes, Unfortunately, unfortunately I'm me in
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  Speaker 2: the problems. Well you can see you've got the Carrie
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  Speaker 2: ma Oxigen with me and uh yeah, it just happens
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  Speaker 2: when you get old.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't run around as much as you used to.
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  Speaker 1: But that was my ex wife's grandma. She died when
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  Speaker 1: she was ninety nine, and she said that every part
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  Speaker 1: of life has something wonderful about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you're a.
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  Speaker 1: Kid, and when you get married and you have your
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  Speaker 1: own kids, and then you know, you get older, you retire, everything,
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  Speaker 1: every part of life has this greatness to it.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it is what it is, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what retirement was going to do for me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but it opened up my time so that
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  Speaker 2: I could do full time once on sasquash investigation okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and it allowed me to write sixteen books in the
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  Speaker 2: now on the subject. And it's just been a marvelous thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I've lived three lives. Basically, I had life
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  Speaker 2: with family and all of that up till about nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight, and then from there I developed my own
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  Speaker 2: personality and aspects and from there everything has been sasquashed
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  Speaker 2: up to today. Now I'm in my twilight, but I
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  Speaker 2: still have time to talk to people. I unfortunately had
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  Speaker 2: to cancel my speaking engagements this year. Just can't do it,
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  Speaker 2: you know anymore. And so I can sit at home
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  Speaker 2: and do this and keep writing.
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  Speaker 1: And well that's cool. I mean, either way, your experiences
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  Speaker 1: and the the you know, your teachers, the things you've
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  Speaker 1: learned through, you know, in the modern age, today's age,
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  Speaker 1: and look Calmos, shows like these and others can kind
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  Speaker 1: of expread your wealth wealth of knowledge. Could you please, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: do me a favorite like introduce yourself a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and kind of tell us a little bit about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe tell us about your books and where we can
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  Speaker 1: find them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I started investigating satisquatch. I got interested in it
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  Speaker 2: back in nineteen fifty eight, and I've been doing it
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  Speaker 2: ever since, so I've got sixty seven years next month
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  Speaker 2: in the in the field. It's started with the Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Crew incident in northern California in nineteen fifty eight. It's
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  Speaker 2: in an area that I know very well. And that
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  Speaker 2: incident made the newspaper in our article newspaper and Sunday morning,
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  Speaker 2: and my dad came in through the headlines at me
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  Speaker 2: then with sections that had that article, and he says,
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  Speaker 2: tell me what you think about that? And I read it,
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  Speaker 2: and I says, you know, to be to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, I don't know. I don't know much about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's it all depends on, you know, the the honesty
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  Speaker 2: of the person reporting, doesn't it. And then shortly thereafter
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  Speaker 2: a world renowned, noted paleontologist, and I can't remember his name,
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  Speaker 2: pardon me, but he'd written like thirteen books on the
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  Speaker 2: memmia of the world that were the standards in the
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  Speaker 2: universities all across the world, all around the world, and
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  Speaker 2: he investigated it and he wrote it up, and he
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  Speaker 2: wrote up articles that appeared both through and and Argus magazine.
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  Speaker 2: So in those days, I'm afraid to say, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have internet, those those magazines are or how we got
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  Speaker 2: and how we got that type of information.
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  Speaker 1: So I remember, I remember a time before the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: I did, I honestly do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I remember that time anymore, but there
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  Speaker 2: was one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I see you are gonna have a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Please continue, sir.
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  Speaker 2: So in sixty one, I got out of high school
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  Speaker 2: joined the Navy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, dude, all right, dude, I'm form I'm former
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  Speaker 1: US Army. So hey, okay, cool right, all right, all right, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I spent nine years in the Navy, five years of
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  Speaker 2: it on the submarine, uh submarine. I was a polar
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  Speaker 2: ofspiscal technician. And then when I left that the maybe
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  Speaker 2: gave my gave me my choice duty stations, and I
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  Speaker 2: picked the Clarissmithsile Facility at on nad Navy Elemnunition Depot Banger, Washington,
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  Speaker 2: which is near Bremerton, near the Navy yards there, and
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  Speaker 2: got into Bremerton looking for a place to live. This
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  Speaker 2: was in mid April nineteen sixty eight. I picked up
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  Speaker 2: the newspaper and the headline read housing shortage, most critical
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  Speaker 2: sense world War two. Oh fantastic, yeah, oh yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And here I am looking for a place to live. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we ended up going to the Navy and she had
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  Speaker 2: seen what they had available for housing, because there was
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  Speaker 2: really two days I spent and never found a thing
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  Speaker 2: available for rent outside of a single one bedroom apartment,
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  Speaker 2: which was not going to work for me for two kids, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so it turned out they had a house on
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  Speaker 2: an ammunition depot called Indian Island north of Bremerton, and uh,
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  Speaker 2: that was available. Oh that was Oh that was like
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  Speaker 2: a license of steel. I mean when you went down
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  Speaker 2: to the beach to dig clams, you didn't have to dig,
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  Speaker 2: You just kind of set your bucket there. When they
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  Speaker 2: when there was food from them jumping in it. You
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  Speaker 2: got the cover on real quick. Yeah, all right, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not quite that much at the point. Yeah, just a
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  Speaker 2: little scratching, and you had a bucket pool and they
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  Speaker 2: had even had a boat there for us to use
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  Speaker 2: salmon fishing. Uh so did that. And I was on
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  Speaker 2: the Olympic Peninsula. And I don't know if you know
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  Speaker 2: much about the West, but the West is combined into
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  Speaker 2: the Olympic Peninsula as far as wild game and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful herd of Roosevelt elk, which are the largest
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  Speaker 2: delk in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: There used to be one species that was larger than
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  Speaker 2: they are in Arizona, New Mexico, but they're extinct now.
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  Speaker 2: So the Roosevelts are the largest from the extend from
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  Speaker 2: northern California all the way to southern Canada, even into Alaska,
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  Speaker 2: but those in Alaska have been transplanted there. But they're
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  Speaker 2: they're quite the quite the beast. Where the Rocky Mountain elk,
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  Speaker 2: a big Rocky Mountain bowl will run six hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred pounds, an average Olympic elk will Roosevelt elk
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  Speaker 2: will run about twelve hundred poun Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're huge, they're huge. The first time I saw the
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  Speaker 2: the Roosevelt I mean the Rocky Mountain Elk. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what they were. They looked like help, but they
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  Speaker 2: were two aren't small?
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  Speaker 1: Do you still did? So that means you were maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe a hunter?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah yeah. I hunted prolifically dead my family
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  Speaker 2: on what we on what we got in elk and
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  Speaker 2: deer and but I got to meet Sasquatch in this era.
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  Speaker 2: I got out of the Navy in nineteen seventy and
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  Speaker 2: uh what school? I graduated U from UW UH with
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  Speaker 2: a degree in logging engineering. That said, I have never
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  Speaker 2: worked today as an engineer for a company I found.
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  Speaker 2: I found out what they paid. Yeah, and I had
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  Speaker 2: a little gimpo logging out outfit going by that time,
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  Speaker 2: and it was paying me more money than they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to pay me. But what I did do is I
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  Speaker 2: did a lot of uh kind of consulting work. Company
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  Speaker 2: had a had a road they were building and needed
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  Speaker 2: a needed bridge work done in this state. If you're
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  Speaker 2: building a road that crosses a stream used by anagamous
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  Speaker 2: fish runs that's face that go out to see and
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  Speaker 2: then come back to spawn, uh like Sam and steel
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  Speaker 2: in uh and uh, then you have to have a
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  Speaker 2: permit for the state to do it. In order to
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  Speaker 2: get that permit, you have to submit a request and
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  Speaker 2: that has to be drawn up with the bridge designed
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  Speaker 2: with the soils and you know the types of soils
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  Speaker 2: of what the creek is running through. Everything has to
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  Speaker 2: be on it. Eight So that required an engineer, so
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  Speaker 2: they would hire me to do that. Of course, their
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  Speaker 2: company engineers got the ones alongside the road. I got
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  Speaker 2: to do the ones who are seven mile hike back
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  Speaker 2: in and I learned, Yeah, I learned reading quickly. You
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  Speaker 2: don't hike in, do your stuff, hike back out and
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  Speaker 2: sit down at the desk that night, start drawing it up.
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  Speaker 2: Find out you've forgotten one measurement and have to hike
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  Speaker 2: back in next day. Okay, that ruin your whole weekend.
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  Speaker 2: But if you do it once, you you just pardon me.
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  Speaker 2: I got interrupted there. If you can do it once,
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  Speaker 2: there's no problem. So I would hike in, I do
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  Speaker 2: all my measurements, and I would sit down and do
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  Speaker 2: a rough drawing, just to make sure I had everything
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  Speaker 2: before I left. Now, you got to remember, this is
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  Speaker 2: hiking back into that was five hundred years old. This
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  Speaker 2: was all old growth timber, and there hadn't been anybody
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  Speaker 2: there five hundred years. There's no feed under an old
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  Speaker 2: growth forest, so there's no no animals come on there,
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  Speaker 2: so there's no hunters that follow the animals. And even
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  Speaker 2: the Indians knew that. That's why they would burn the
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  Speaker 2: forest every now and again, send fire through, because that's
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  Speaker 2: where the animals were. Then they'd come in and wherever
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  Speaker 2: they'd burned, within two years of brush would be coming
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  Speaker 2: back up, and all the animals, of all the elk
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  Speaker 2: and deer would be there. So that's where they hunted,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And so I get all the way back
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  Speaker 2: in there. I'm sitting there doing my drawing, checking my numbers,
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  Speaker 2: and I hear and I look around, go back to drawing,
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  Speaker 2: and look her out, and here's an eyeball peeking at
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  Speaker 2: me around a tree, and over here there's one peaking
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  Speaker 2: the other way. For a long time, I thought they
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  Speaker 2: only had one eye, just drifted back and forth and
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  Speaker 2: for on a tree. I've heard this.
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  Speaker 1: What they do they like to They like to peak
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  Speaker 1: around around, Yes, yes, and uh so that gave me
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  Speaker 1: a time to watch them while they're watching me. And
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  Speaker 1: that whistle I didn't attribute to them for a long
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  Speaker 1: long time, but finally they did understand that. That was
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  Speaker 1: their Basically, it says, I've got my eye on him
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  Speaker 1: over here, you know, and okay, so they so they
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  Speaker 1: knew I was there and they were watching. I'd be
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  Speaker 1: hiking in four miles into the timber, nobody been around,
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  Speaker 1: goed across the stream, and here's a foot track, footprint
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  Speaker 1: in the sandbar in the middle of a stream, the
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  Speaker 1: little no name stream, back in the middle of nothing.
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  Speaker 2: You know. That didn't get there by happenstance right now,
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  Speaker 2: They didn't nobody been in there and stepped there. And
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  Speaker 2: the idea that somebody may be by here hadn't been
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  Speaker 2: anybody four hundred years. But today's a day, right That
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen that way, That's not the scenario. And that's
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  Speaker 2: where it started. That's where I got my first views
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  Speaker 2: of the Sasquatch. Well, that worked out well. The system
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  Speaker 2: worked well because I could get paid as a consultant
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  Speaker 2: more on a weekend than i'd make as in a
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  Speaker 2: month as an employee of the company. So I had
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  Speaker 2: my blog. You got in and I had that I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do property a lot of property line work because
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  Speaker 2: there's out there, there are so many different parcels. You've
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  Speaker 2: got stayed owned, You've got you know, timber company owned,
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  Speaker 2: you've got federal land, and it's all yeah, yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: you got to go in and then run the property
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  Speaker 2: lines if they're getting ready to, you know, get into
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  Speaker 2: their own trouble on territory so they can do their work.
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  Speaker 2: And so that worked out really well for as long
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  Speaker 2: as it lasted, and eventually I just continued to rise
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  Speaker 2: on the peninsula until I left there in nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: something and then moved up in nineteen actually in twenty ten.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, I was forced to retire.
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  Speaker 2: The doctor says, you need to retire from work. I said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to retire. I had a job I loved.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was I was estimating an engineer for
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  Speaker 2: an asphalt company. And it was one of those jobs
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  Speaker 2: that it was a nice summer day. You went out
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  Speaker 2: and you worked, you know, major property or something, you know,
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  Speaker 2: worked up a bid, and if it was too dang hot,
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  Speaker 2: you went to the library and watched something on the
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  Speaker 2: commuter girl. Nobody cared. You know. I brought them more
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  Speaker 2: work in the summer than they had in years before.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's cool man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And because I was used to that type
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  Speaker 2: of work and so so I was. I was totally
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  Speaker 2: on my own. He says, let me rephrase that. If
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you if you don't retire from work this month and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: get the tests you need, we'll be burying you next month. Okay, Okay,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you've got a different so yeah, yeah, yeah, he had
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: my attention with that. So I uh, so I did.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I retired in two thousand and seven medically, and like
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I say, I had that. He just gave me all
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the time in the world. In twenty ten, I found
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the internet and the people who work with sasquatch around
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the country on the Internet, and in particular, I found
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: my sister in kind in southeastern Oklahoma or Arlea Williams,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, arl Colette Williams. If you've never had
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: her on your show, you need to that woman.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Please please send me her name
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and oh yeah, right, I'll reach out to her. Sure.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she is. She is superior in all things sasquatch
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: dog man. She has two juvenile sasquats and a family.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But two juveniles have just just track us up. But
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: they're aunt on her property in southeast Oklahoma. And h yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it's she's she's a she's a great individual. And uh
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I met her. She was one of the first people
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I met. And but I also found out there's the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: other side of the bus too. There's those people who,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you know, if you don't do it my it's either
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: my way or the highway.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, and h I run into the same thing. Uh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you know podcasting, someone's gonna I was going to tell
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you what they're what they want you to do, instead of,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you know, let doing your own thing and let them
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: do everything. But we don't worry about those people. We
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: look at it the way we want to do it. Yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: what is your side? What has happened to you? Would
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: tell me? Tell us the things man like you know
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you were you pointed the picture out in the green
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: room behind you there that that's a representation of you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and your teacher. Could you tell me a little bit about.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That my team? Sure? Yeah, after you can see that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Uh uh hum, Yes, I bound the same. YEA. His
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: name is Akisha and he stands ninth. It's frozen up.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Mister control is still there, he is, and yeah, I'm here.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit. It was a little
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: bit of a little blitzer. Yeah, yeah, twenty I met him. Yeah, well,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I was there was you know, I didn't working hard.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go play and uh writing, I was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: writing a book, is what I was doing. And I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to go play for a day. And uh I'd
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: told Arla about it. And one day she says to me,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: she says, is there a pile of wood on that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: road you want to go? I said, I don't know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to be truthful with you, I've been on the top
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: of the ridge on both sides. But this road goes
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: up the river bottom and it's been closed until just
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: very recently. It was part of Boise Cascades tree Farm
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and then they after they shut the tree farm down,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: they needed that over to the reservation of you Mattila
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Indian Reservation people, and they developed develop the road a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: little bit better and then put a gate up and
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: opened it up to the public. And I said, I've
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: never been up the bottom of it, so I want
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to do that. This is on the right on right
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: on a little river. And well, she says, I see
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a large pile of wood stack there and there's a
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: very large male sabsquatch leaning over that pile of wood
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: looking for you. He has a stripe on his chest
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: goes from his shoulder to his waist across his chest,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and he has a moon, a crescent moon, and a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: star tattooed on his shoulder. And I said, well, that's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a simple thing to do. I'll drive it as far
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: as I can, looking for that pile of wood. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I said, if it's there, if I find it, I'll
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: just set up my campbooty right there. I have no
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: place set to go. And what I'd like to do
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: on those the way I have always done my saskatch
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: rees search after that beginning that I told you about,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: is I go out and find a likely place near
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: water with good access and especially good egress, and just
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: open up them. Set up my folding chair, open up
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: my eyes. Just it's full of tried chicken hips and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: boiled as sit down with open adad PEPSI and.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And uh.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And and wait for them to come in. Uh. It's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: just how it worked. They get curious and want to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: know where you're sitting there, and they'll come in and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I try to talk to them. When I start hearing,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you know, activity around me I'll talk to them and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: generally they will respond in one way or another. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: over the years they've responded greatly. But I mean virtually
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: every time that I do this, I can get a response.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And that particular day, about two in the afternoon, I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm not my kindle with me. Can
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I read that? Well? While I'm waiting, and so here
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I am sitting there in the sunshine. I eat and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: fried chicken and bold eggs and drinking. I mean, it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a tough life, but somebody.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: To me, it sounds like quite. I love being in
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the outdoors. It sounds like a party to me.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Man, Oh yeah, it's it's great, absolutely great. I think
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I saw four or five cars that day that came through.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And this is in the Blue Mountains in southeastern Washington.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: At Blue Mountains run between Oregon and Washington. And if
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you've ever had anything on the earliest pioneers in the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: wagon trains coming west, they all occur the Blue Mountains
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because after six months on the trail, then they hit
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the Blue Mountains and that was their last real challenge
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: before they got the farmlands of Oregon. Okay, but we said,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: were sitting there and all of a sudden, I hear
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a voice in my mind, and this is the first
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: time I'd ever had real mind speak, and it said,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I can't come out now because there's too much traffic.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Somebody might see me. Wow. I said, okay, I you
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: know I'm retired. I could have come out to me
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have any different, you know. Would you
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: want me to leave and come back another day? Perhaps
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: that would be best. And I had pick stopped and
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: picked the box about on my way out, and a
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: box of grapes. I said, would you like me to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: leave the fruit for you? Or are you okay at
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: this time? And he kind of laughed, And if you
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: haven't heard a nine foot bigfoot laugh, you'd never really
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: heard a laugh. But he says, look at the river,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and I looked, of course, you could walk across about
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of salmon that we're in. So I saw, I see
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: your point, So I, I says, He said, bring it
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: in the time of the cold. I said, okay, if
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we can do that, we'll make sure we do that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And so he left and I started packing up, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I was packed to the point I had my right
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: leg in the car and were just starting to set
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: down on my seat when he stood up right across
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the road from him, not twelve feet away. He says,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I wanted you to see me before you left. As
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a reward for what you doing. He says, we want
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you to be our describe And I said, yeah, okay,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: maybe not that fluently, but.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That was quite That was a good
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: definitely hired for a film or something. That was good, dude.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So I went on home and then I, oh, four
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: or five days later, got a message, please return to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the mountains. We have to talk. So okay, that's for me.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: It was about an hour's drive from where I lived,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: no big deal. And I drove out there, got to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the gate, and uh, and I just waited there. I'm
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: pretty sure he came down the hill. He didn't come
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: all the way up to me this time, but he
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was just across the little field, maybe thirty yards, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think what's that far even And we got
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: into a discussion and he explained to me what he
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: wanted me to do, and we discussed some other things.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: He said, I know that you're having trouble justifying some
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: of the things you're learning from us with your appreciate
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I say, yes, there are some differences there, but there's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: differences in people too.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: You know, we don't all don't all belong to the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: same church. And there's a reason for that, because we're
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: different as people. And he said, that's true. He says
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: in you and I are more different than you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: but we're more of the same than you know. Also wow,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: And I said really, He says, yes, he I want
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you to know we have the same creator.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the differences. Thirty five thousand years ago,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you started adapting yourself, I mean adapting your environment to yourself.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Where we continued to adapt ourselves to the environment, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: we did. We moved indoors, right, So at that point
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: we didn't need to communicate from ridge stop to ridge stop.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: We were sitting across fire from one another. So they're
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: what our mind speaking. If you don't use it, you
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: lose it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So when you were when when when when this large
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: adult teacher of yours was mind speaking to you, you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: were doing the same to him, or you were speaking
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: out loud.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I was speaking out loud, okay, because I didn't know
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: if I could mind speak or not.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Just because you're saying that it may be like something
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: awoke and it just made my mind wonder.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm just asking yeah, yeah, I don't know whether
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: he just takes it out of my mind or what,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: but he never has any problem understanding me. I think
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: they take language that way. If they're speaking to a Russian,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: they would take a Russian out of their mind and
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: speak to them. Speaking to a Chinese person, however you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: do that, yeah, yeah, Uh, it's it would It would
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: certainly answer many questions that I had about them, you know, yes,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And after that, since then, in the past fifteen years,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: from that point it has it has absolutely escalated off
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the Mark and British Glamor. We did a fight my
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: two partners, Brian Land at Sioux Plant Now Uh did
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a five year study on glyphs and basically what we
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: learned two very simple things. Number One, if it's for you,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you will have no trouble whatsoever understanding what it says. Okay,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it'll have meaning for you. If it's not for you,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you couldn't understand it in one hundred years because you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: don't have it. You don't have context. Which glyphs are
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: we talking about? Are they found in the forest or
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: what do you in the forest. Yeah, and we had
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: we had a million acres or so to run around in.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And that the neat thing about that is that that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: ground doesn't have underbrush on it for the most part.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's like a carpet mat of green moloss. And so
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they're easy to spot. And you know, I took we
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: had twenty four thousand pictures at one time. But you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of those, I probably share maybe a hundred in all
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the years that I'm sure they made. And the others
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: are from you know, two percent confidence to ninety eight
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: percent confidence. But there's still of interest, right and you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and especially when you get above ninety percent. I'll share
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: those if need be. But the ones I have shared,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you know, they're so distinct in what they mean. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: tell you a direction glyph because of the well, basically
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: it has an arrow in it. But the difference is
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: if you're looking about the way to go, you know
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: how an arrow is with the shaft and then the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: two sides to it. We go that way, right now,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: they'd go that way, they do the opposite, Yeah, because
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: they're pointing like that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right, oh, okay, I got it. Took me
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a little second, right, So we would do that where
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it comes to a point and go that way. But
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: they're right, they're saying with their fingers that way. Okay,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: all right, yes, because they didn't have any arrows to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: use as a guide.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: We did. Yeah, And it's it's people. That's the way
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I can tell people that really don't know what they're
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: talking about. When they come up with these things and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: they're talking about going with the point of the arrow,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a oh yeah, see, yeah, I hope
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you have a nice walk. But that's me. I know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I followed these errors all the way to Detroit, mister country.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, and in that country up there, if you're walking
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the wrong way, you got a long walk. It was
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty miles from our area to the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: next paved road.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: So that's that is out there. That is out there,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: all right, and so fascinating, yacinating. We got to be
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: very close to the to the klan there. The leader
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was a big white fellow, and then his his family
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and were basically the ones that we were close to.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: His daughter was of an age that she wanted to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: take a mate. So I found out. You got to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: find out how they do that. They have like seven
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: annual meetings of an area, like in our case, it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: all of British Columbia, Alberta and down Montana, Wyoming, Nevada,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: northern California, Oregon. That that's sold, this whole northern corner here.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And okay, who needs a mate? What family is ready
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to have children? Because they care, They monitor that very closely.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: They have their children about seven years apart. And they
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: do that for the simple reason of keeping population down. Okay, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: because they don't want to be found out. All right, Uh,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: there's most of them right now. We just assume we
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: drop up face the earth and somebody's how smart are they? Well,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: they don't have anything to do with us. That shows
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: extreme inteligence. Yeah, but they are the really they are intelligent,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: probably more so than us. So mister contrast being okay,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: so being therescribed, what does that mean if they if
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: they want to load of populations so they're not known,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: but at the same time they want you to write
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: about them, how does that they want it introduced in
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: a particular way? Okay, okay, most of them don't even
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: want that. But there is a group, and that's the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: ones we work with. There is a group of them
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: that do want it, and they want it done in
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a particular way. That's why some of us have these
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: these core groups that we work with. Barb Soup, Bob Hartman,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Aura collect They have these groups they work with because
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: they want to teach the people. You know what it's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: all about. Okay. The to finish that that story, when
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: she wanted to take a mate, it came up in
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that meeting her mate. I found out was that there
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: was a young fellow in Eastern Oklahoma who was of
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the aide to take a mate and was asking for one.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So they made her with him. Then she went to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Eastern Oklahoma to see if this meeting would work. Personality,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the same problems we have because they made for life,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and when they made for life, they don't break up.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as divorced there in their society.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: They made so so firmly that should one of them
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: something happened to one of them where they lost them.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: After the kids were old enough to be on their own,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't even take another mate. Wow. Yeah, they had
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: two or three, two or three children that we were
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: able to take care of themselves. They wouldn't even remain
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the remaining individuals. Remaining parent would raise some of the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: rest of the way. So but they did. And it
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: was so funny because this fellow that she went to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: meet ar a new matter of fact, we had pictures
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of his father, this big guy, thirteen feet tall. And yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and I was telling Arla about her when she got there,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: because she's very unusual looking. She's got blue eyes. She's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: one of the very few I've ever seen the blue eyes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And her hair looks like she just got out of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the the hairdressers. It looks like she's got a flat top. Yeh,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: you're too young to remember those.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I had a flat top, I had a rat tail,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I had lines on the side I was that was yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I was a little old for the mullet, though I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: didn't too young for the mullet.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I skipped that era. That's a it was a good
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: one to skip, Okay. At any rate, I was telling
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: her about the Arla about her one day and she's
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. I saw her, and she went and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: got her notebook, came back and read her description of her,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and it was just right to the core. Perfect. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: so when Raja say her husband and she had a baby.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: A year and a half later, fifteenth of January, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: was invited to the birth, and so here I am
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: sitting with eighteen male sasquatch watching the birth of the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Sasquatch baby. And god, dude, okay and Raja say. The
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: daughter was being tended by her mother, and she worked
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and worked. Finally baby was born, and they took it
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: right to the creek and washed it same effect as
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it does when they hold our baby up spanking in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the butt. Man, he let out us holler like you
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: can here for forty miles, so in that cold water,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: all it was yeah. But then they washed him down
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and then tried him and used to bark uh uh
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: maple bark to dry him with and uh then putting
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: wrapped him in a in a uh a blanket they
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: made out out of the mark had been stripped and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: red and rewaved, wrapped him in that and gave him
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to one of the mails, and then turned back back
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to her again. I wonder, what, wonder what they're doing
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: out there delivering the place. Nda. Then no, you're right
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: back to work and delivery. And all of a sudden,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: work it's a twin came into my mind and they're twins,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and that's what she did. She did deliver next did
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the same thing with her. If you had a guess,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Tommy, it's like, would you you actually going
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: to start with so many questions? I thought, I don't
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: mean to, I don't mean to interrupt you, but if
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you had to estimate their population, and what would you
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: what would it be? What would you say? With you
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: in the state of Washington, I've got a pretty good
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: handle on it. There's about three hundred individuals okay, okay
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: in North America, somewhere between twelve and fifteen thousand.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, so not so many, all right, Yeah, but.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: They're in virtually every state. I mean, we were in Georgia.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Arley used to have a gathering down there every year
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: when we were younger, and matter of fact, last year
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: that they had it, Bob Gimlin and I flew down
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: together to be at it, Okay, and we attended had
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: a last But while we're in camp, there's eighteen of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: us sitting around a campfire, including the Georgia State Superior
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Court judge, and two of them came to the campfire,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: stood right behind me. Okay, and I looked Ahi guys. Yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: but they The lady across the campfire had never seen
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: one before, and I'm watching her. All of a sudden,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: she's going, could.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You tell me a little about you know we you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: know us to who kind of start learning about these things?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Could you tell it?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Because we know, okay, to Patterson Gimblin film. So, Bob Gimblin,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: could you tell me a little bit about the gentleman,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: what he was like and you know your relationship to him.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, Bob, Bob is no cowboy. Okay, he's only about
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: five foot six, five foot seven, shirt guy, but got
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: a heart about that big around Okay. He loves to tease.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Oh does he love to tease the girls? And he does.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: One day, he and I were sitting together at the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: back of the at the summit out on the ocean shores,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and of course there's always a pack of girls around Bob.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I told him when if I wanted to see a
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: pretty girl, I had to look him up, you know, Okay,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: all right? And uh so we're sitting there with this
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: pack around him, and somebody came up and said, how
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: come you guys got all the luck?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: How come they cried around you?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Bob? Says, because we're safe. That's the way Bob is.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But he's the best friend you'll ever have in your life.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you. Okay, he's absolutely totally truthful. He was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: offered one time, its all I know. Was in Yakima, uh,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: where Bob lives, UH, doing some work. He was a
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: producer or director for a major film company and they
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: were doing a documentary and they were sitting talking one
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: day and the guy called, The head of the company
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: called and he told him. He says, you're not going
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: to guess who I'm sitting at this table with right
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: now is mister Bob Gimlin. And guy says, tell Bob
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: right now, a million dollars sitting right here, right in
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: front of him, if you'll tell us how they hope
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that film. Bob says, well, gee, I'd sure like to
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: take your money. But what happened, Well, we were coming
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: up the river, you come around that by end of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that tree, and dot weren't ut there and here. So
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna ever back off of what he said.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: He and I have been together enough that I know
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: what it said is true. I've been investigating and her,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I've seen her twice since. But if you look at
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that film and look at her, I can prove to
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: you in a minute what it is. It's something called
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: intermemberable index, and that's the ratio of your arm to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: your leg in a human being. That's seventy two. Okay,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Now this is a a anatomical constant. Taught it college level. Okay, Okay.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Chimpanzees have an index of one hundred and five. Gorilla's
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two. We're seventy two. Sasquatch measures
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: out of eighty four frame seventy nine of that film.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: She's standing theme film from the back, and she's perfectly
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: straight from head to toe. And I can get the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: perfect length of off the arm and the perfect length
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: off the leg. Divide the arm link by the light
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: links and it comes out eighty four.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I actually had on M. K. Davis and we
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: went through that. I don't know if you know MK's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: he he's one of he goes, look you see how
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the hair is missing here? Do you see this part
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: moving here? Do you see the braid in the hair
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that blew me away? I didn't know that they braided
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: their hair, and so yeah, yeah, to me, it's it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: very authentic. I just I never thought I would run
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: across somebody who knew Bob Gimlin. It's just for me,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Like I was like, really, wow, this is this is great. Okay,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: so he's that kind of guy. Then he's just like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: he's just one of those cowboy dudes who's like, this
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: is who I am. I eat my beans, I drink
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: my beer. I you know, this is my life. This
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: is what I do.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, that's right man. Cool And if
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: you ask him about it, he'll tell you the story.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: It's just that's simple. That's simple. Uh. And he's more
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: fun to be around than oh jeez.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: A barrel full of monkeys.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say a shriner's shriner's convention.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: But no alcohol.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: That's fine, it's nothing wrong with that. I don't I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't really partake that much myself. I'll have a beer
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: once in a while, but I find it to be
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: rather bolder to be honest with. There's nothing wrong with
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: a beer once in a while. Nobody, no hard day's work.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It's the best time, you know, get down a hard
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: day's work, eight ten hours, sweat and come in have
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a beer with your friends.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It's nice. Absolutely, But Bob is well, Bob's ninety two
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: years old. Now, Okay, I saw him last time in October.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I was over in yack him up or in yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Jackham area on the on the reservation on Yakam a reservation.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Or gone, and they had over there and you got
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to spend some time and went well, I went to
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: his house and we sat and talked for hours before
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: people started showing up to say goodbye. But yeah, we
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: used to drive together here and there, especially out to
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the to the summer conference.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: It was always at that time. I lived in southeastern Washington,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: so I'd come right through Yakama head in that way
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and I'd pick him up, and we generally picked up
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: one or two more somewhere along the line. So the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: three or four of us by the time we got there,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: we had a great time. That's an incredible thing. I mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: do you okay, I'm here, I'm here in Mexico. I'm
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: actually talking to you from Mexico right now. I'm oh, wow, cool.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I mean the Yucatan Peninsula and yeah, I'm way down here.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: We get the hurricanes and the hot weather, and right
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: now it's rainy season. And have you heard about Sasquatch
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: as being far down as this part, because I don't
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: hear about them down here.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: They're hit they're there. But look at that jungle. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty pretty much impenetrable.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's hard.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And how how hard would it be to stay
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: stay out of you there?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It's incredibly easy. I I have I have a ten
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: acre plot of land right in the middle of the jungle.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: It's about a mile off the road, and right now
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: in the rainy season, I got a four truck with
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a Ford Ranger with a big old mud tires on it,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and I have a hard time getting even back there.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And this place is you know, of course it's been
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: cut in because of the Mayans and then it grows back.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: But people don't understand. People don't understand. You can't see
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: if especially during the wet season, even the dry season,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you can see maybe on a good day in the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: middle maybe maybe twenty yards, yeah maybe if that. Yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's incredible. The vines and stuff here, it's incredible.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: That's my point. They can stay totally in there with
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: no problem whatsoever. It's much easier than it is here
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because you know, there's we have various that the open
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: between the trees, right, there's no brush and yeah, Yucatan,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. I gotta do some i gotta do some inspiration.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to see the footprint here too,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: because there's no real rivers in. Everything is under the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: ground and it's like rocky soil and there's sandy soil
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: down in the you know, in the in the little
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: valleys and stuff. But I mean, I've seen jaguar footprints.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Those are those are pretty easy to find, uh, you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and various animals, but I haven't seen anything like, you.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Know, out of the ordinary. Those don't care where they
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: put their feet, right.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course they're hyper intelligent art they are.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: They really are. There really are intelligent. I've got to
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: love to get a little of argument about that. But
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: those people haven't sat with them, right, done the uh
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Jane good old Diane Fossey thing with them.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And you have to do that to understand them. Hey,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that's you know, to attend that that birthy. Yeah, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: was going to get back to that. That that that's
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: incredible that they would show such trust in you and
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: such like intimacy with you to say, I want you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: to experience that, because even us we're like, oh, you
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: can't go in there. It's just a doctor. Maybe the mom.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: You know, because I've experienced that, I thought a child
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like for them to have that much trust
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: and confidence in you means that you've sat with him
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: for quite a while.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Stir. Yeah, yeah, I have, ah and very and very intimately,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I mean within their families. Uh, Roger say, when I
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: went back up to Canada year before or last, got
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: a hold of me to come see the twins who
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: were eight years old at the time, and that was
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that was a trip, that was that was fun. Plus
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: you had one, a new little one and it's just
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: about a year old, and so yeah, that was just
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: a plast But she is such a special to me.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: It's a very special individual and her mate fortunate. And yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: there's how long did he live, sir? They'll lived a
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: nominal one hundred years and that's that. That answers another
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: question to why don't we have a body. Okay, in
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: the state Ofton, seventy two thousand square miles, there's a
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: population of about three hundred. They live a nominal one
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: hundred year, So that means within the particular year, there'll
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: be three that'll die. Now you've got three bodies in
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: seventy two thousand square miles. What are your chances of
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: finding those? Yeah? Right, if they didn't bury them, but
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: they do, they'd bury their dead and I show you,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I can show you graves. You wouldn't recognize them as such,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: but I know that they are because I've been told
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: what they are.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I honestly wouldn't want to know. Honestly
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to know. I think that's. I think that's
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: if they want to show if they weren't, Like, for example,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: if I had the same and they would just show
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: me that, then that would be on them. But I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want you to show me that because I think
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's I think that would be the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: best way to go about that too. Yeah, it's a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it's a special it's a specific thing that is very emotional,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and it's family related. Why would you want to do that?
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too? You were saying that there
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was Okay, there was the gentleman in southeastern Oklahoma and
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: she was in Washington State, so they they travel and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: traversed in the entire continent to meet up, like all
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the tribes are interconnected.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Yep. Wow, mm hmmm.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Are there different types as well? Are there different you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: there's not a taller ones, they're all one species. Look
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: at the differences ours all right? Yeah, okay, I mean
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: we have just as much variation as that, just that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: we start out smaller. Yes, yes, because my my, my
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: girlfriend is Mayan, and they're they're known for having very
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: short necks and they're known for having very long arms.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So you're doing the proportions you were telling me. My
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: head was going, Okay, this is this is making sense.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see that in her memorandees on them.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: We have a girl here where I live. She's she's
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: in charge of the of the med takes and stuff
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: like that. And I asked her one day that says
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: your ancestry Mayan. She stopped and looked at me, How
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: did you know? It's look very interesting?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And yes, they have I mean like they're very small
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: in statue like her her mother is seventy five, and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: she's like maybe maybe five foot tall, maybe four foot, know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: she's shorter than that, dude. She's like four foot eight,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: four foot nine, and then five foot one, and they
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: all have very short necks, and like her arms seem
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: maybe because of the neck, it seems like they're longer.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: All black hair. Beautiful people. They're very beautiful. Yeah, they're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: very They're very they they still speak a lot of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Mayan down here. Uh, and a lot of the small
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: villages actually want to go eventually when this podcast picks
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: up and go and talk to them about their you know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: their culture and about their you know, they have a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: lot of spooky stuff down here too, you know, yeah,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: where it's like yeah, this this and this and that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the other. I would love to talk to people because
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: you know, she tells me stuff, and I've spoken to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: other people here, you know, working on construction sites here
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: in Mexico, and you just start going, oh, there's a lot,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a big story down there that needs
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to be told, told to telled. That's how good my
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: English is. I speak two other languages and English is disappearing. Yeah,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: could you before I get you a pattern? I would
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: definitely if you if you ever wanted to come on again,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: because I think we we we're basically just kind of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: like just getting to know each other.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: We have we haven't readly yet.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I would normally I would just want to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: get into your books a little bit about what it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: is that you that you write about.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is my latest one.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's Watch America. So yeah, I even wrote
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: it backwards. If I had a mirror, I could put
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: it in the Okay, but this is a composite of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. I think different. No, no, twenty yeah,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: twenty two different encounters across the country.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: That you've had personally.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: No, these are different people, okay, okay, And some of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: them are very good investigators, and I spent time to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: talk about their investigators skills and methods for people. I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: have some friends up in Idaho, legends that do a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: great job here. Barbshoop, her group does a fantastic job.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: They have. When something comes up, they get they they
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: they take their time to to document it correctly. They
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: find it, they find a track, you know, they document that,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: and they their attitude is it is such that the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Sasquats know that they're in no danger from them, right, okay, right.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: The first thing that I had that I found that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: amazed me in this is that the best investigators are women. Okay,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, I would there's of the groups I know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: the top ten eight them would be women.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Is that maybe because of a natural maternal instinct part
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: of it. And they're not they're not aggressive. Yeah, man,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do that, right, Yeah, well you know
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: what yeah yeah yeah, and then you get ego involved
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and yeah it. But yeah, this is my sixteenth book.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sing I have one more I want to write,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: and that's that's my autobiography. But the first fifteen are
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: on every aspect of Sasquatch life from one to the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: other to the other. And then the Sasquatch Proof and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Sasquatch the Proof.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: It has that mass figure that I spoke about earlier
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and describes it why it's so important, along with some
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: other things. Okay, okay, and you know, just just as
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: as a statement, in order for me to make my
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: arm to the links, and I'd have to add four
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: inches to get an eighty four great show, kay. In
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: order to do that, a hand extender wouldn't do it
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: because then your elbows out of place, right, okay, So
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: the only way to do it would be they had
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: two inches below my wrist or below my elbow and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: two inches above my elbow. And I'm not going to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: allow that. No, that's a surgery.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: That's that's what that would be, you know, incredibly crazy.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: That would be like, oh, I'm going to fake this.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I'm want to fake this footage, so I'm gonna go
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: get my this the strangest plastic surgery known to man.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and yeah, so it's ridiculous to even think
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: that that that would would have been the possibility. But
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: there are people that say that could have been done. Well, yeah,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: it could have been done, could have been Why would you?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are you know, like Patterson mc gimler just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: like they were like just dudes, who I think. I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what they were doing exactly. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the whole story. Roger was trying to do a documentary
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  Speaker 1: on Sasquatch. Okay, and Roger Head had non Hodgkins at any.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Rate cancer Okay, cliph yeah, okay, Yeah, was in remission
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: at that time at sixty seven. When they did that.
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  Speaker 2: He went to Bob and said, you know, I've just
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  Speaker 2: got a call from California. They've got some tracks around
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  Speaker 2: the water tank there I'd like to go down there
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  Speaker 2: so I could film that if you If I could,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you know, which you take me? And they've just been
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: and taking time off to spend Labor day in noun
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Saint Helen's area, and of course that was long before
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: the eruption. But Bob said, I couldn't get off from
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  Speaker 2: work now. He's a roofer at the time, Alfred Rufer,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: and he's you know, RC is ending up, and I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: can't get away from working in September, you know. And
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: they so he told him this was probably next month,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I can go. And it was just day or two
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: left in September. Bob's boss came to him and said,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: if you want to take off now you can. We've
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: were down to just a job or two left and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: we'll be shutting down the next few days.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah for the winter, okay.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And Bob says, oh okay, great. So they
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: told Roger and they took off. Bob thinks it was
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: the last day of September. They took off and arrived
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: down there first of October, and that's what they were doing.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: They saw those tracksh what they were by that time,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: they'd been rained on and everything else. So they spent
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: all day riding horses. They two went down in Bob's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: one ton Chevy truck with the stock racks and had
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: three horses with him, one of whom belonged to all
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: the fellow that that claimed to be the man in
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the suit Bob Hoeronymous. And they went down and they
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: spent all day riding horse on the roads and up
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: in the mountains and here and there and everywhere, and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: then spent most of the night driving the truck around
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: seeing what they could see at night. And they had
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: been there then three weeks when Bob decided he was
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: going home, and he told told Roger that they had
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: to leave after the weekend. And Roger said, well, if
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: you've got to leave, how about He tried to convince
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: him to stay or to come back and get him,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: and Bob wasn't having any of that. But he he said,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: how about we sco for that good good sign was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: up in the hills there. He said, yeah, that that'd
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: be all right. We could do that and maybe take
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: a take a little camp and spend the night up there.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Last night, so he says, yeah, that that didn't work.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: So they took off, and well, they didn't take off.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Bob took off, and he had a loose shoe and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: his horse. He turned around and came back. Roger was
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: a little slower getting out of bed at that time,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: but he was up by the time Bob got back,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: tightened the shoe up on his horse, and climbed back
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: in the saddle and started up again, and Roger with him,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: and Bob was leading the horse, leading the pack horse,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: and and him and the lead and Roger the lead,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and they went up up the creek about three and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: a half miles. They're about three and a half miles
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: of the camp. Up the creek, there's a big root
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: board tree had fallen down to the big route board
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: standing and they rode around that rootward and she stood
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: up in front of Roger right, and Roger was of course,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: everything just went crazy. Bob just turned loose on the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: back horse, figured they could catch up with him later.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: And his horse was a little older horse and was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: able to He was able to keep him under command
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: until uh he settled him down. But Rogers was just
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: a young youngster and was totally out of out of control.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Rolled over and Rogers laying on him, trying to get
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: in his pack saddle bags to get the camera out,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: and finally does. He goes across the creek and fell
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: in the creek and he still tried to You see
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: how rough the film is to start with there, that's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. Then he gets finn, he gets across
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: the creek, it can stop and filmed. And then Bob
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: came across the creek, just walked across the.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Step down, pulled his rifle out of the out of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the scabbard, and that's his look at the back. See
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: when he did that, she looked back at him and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: oh wow, Yeah, that's the reason, because he pulled his
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: rifle out.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and wow, I want you to know. He says
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: it was only if she turned around charge and he'd
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: never shoot. He had no intention to ever ever shoot,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: didn't shoot anything as long as she was walking away
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: like that. And he said she went out as far
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: as the creek and Roger ran out of film in
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the camera. But uh, Bob was up to the creek
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: again and he wanted to follow him and Roger come back.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: He don't know if those other two are here or not,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you know, And because they had seen three together before,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Roger had and Bob sudd. Until that moment, he'd never
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: seen anything that would have bendem that they were even real,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: just until she stepped up, stepped out there. Wow, yeah, and.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: This is, this is and this is and Bob told
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: you the whole story. This was the Wow, that's incredible.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that that. That's the reason, because
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: you know, she looked back. I thought it was just like, Okay,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: you're still there. But I'm sure they know you're still there,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But she probably heard that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: and was just like, okay, what is that because they
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: kind of know what those are firearms and things like that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But she didn't speed. She just kept the same speed
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: when she turned back around. Wow, probably read his intention
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: probably did, Probably did. I was just gonna say, I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: think she probably picked up his intentions and off. Yeah,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: that's incredible. That is incredible. That's totally incredible. And there's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: so many accounts like that. But that's just the face
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: the one that for some reason, because I guess the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: electronics weren't as good, so they didn't give off as
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: much of a signal as the ones nowadays, So it
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: was kind of like because it's they're very hard to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: film because they don't want to be filmed, right, Like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people get audio and things like that.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: But that that particular film is seeing everyone's seen. It's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: the most famous one. Uh, there's all the ones that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I've seen that are really good. There's one called The
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Fence Climber that is incredible to me. That's yes, yeah,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: well he didn't film it, but he went and investigated it.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, you do doing good Davis's work Okay, oh yeah,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: and uh, Paul Freeman, Paul Freeman's film is great. Okay,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I gotta look that up.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Paul. Yeah, that's in Blue Mountains, where I did so
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: much of my work. I knew Paul and a great guy.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: But he just he couldn't believe what they did do it.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, as he had thought he had found that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: had what the world was waiting for. There was proof
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: of these of these creatures being there. And because he'd
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: walked in. He was late that morning because his daughter's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: car wouldn't run and he had to get that started
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: before he left, and he got up there and started
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: walking in there. And there's just a ton of tracks
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: from the from the from the springs up into about
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: the Hill and then if you watch his oh and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: yeah she was a female with the baby on her chest,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: and yeah, he's just beautiful film.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: And he was I hadn't seen that one. That's blown
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: me away. I'm gonna write that down. Paul Freedman Freeman
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: or Freedman Freeman. Okay, I have to look that up.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: That's incredible that I don't know that he was a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: writer for for Service and yeah. Just they out of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: the film on Good Morning America, okay, and they asked him,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: you know, have you ever made fake peat before? Oh? Sure,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: and we all have because you want to compare it,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: compare it to what you're finding. And that's what he
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: told him. He says, yes, of course, I compare it
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: to the ones I'm finding. So I have good indication.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: When they played it on the show, they just they've
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: cut it off. Yes I have.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I know who you're talking
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: about now, he was right, Okay, So they they do
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: that all the time. And the cool thing about that
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: is that it's more believable now than it was back
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: then because of all the all the excuse me, excuse
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: my language, the fuckery that that we now know it's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: coming to light. They do that all the time with
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, and they discredit them and they
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: make them look like fools. That happens all the time.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Wow, I believe in that. I believe that wholeheartily. Yeah
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: and so okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well this is a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: good place.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: But if you would be willing to come back, I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: would love to talk to you more about your your
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: experiences you're in. Okay, Well, we'll set up a schedule.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to thank you so much
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for coming on to talk with me, Tom, I really
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a website just my name, please say
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: it again, Tom cantrell dot.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Com, tomcantroull dot com. Uh huh.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: And it's got it's got you know, things we're doing.
• 1:16:59
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• 1:17:02
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• 1:17:06
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• 1:17:23
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• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: is to be as connected as Tom is to these
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: fours people. That's another word I guess you could say,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: and uh and and and support those kind of things.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Let's get the We're trying to get the information out
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: the best it is, because it's just the government knows
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: about them. Everyone knows about them, but for some reason,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think they want them to know. Because my
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: personal opinion is that that ego is that ego, the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: ego you were talking about, Oh, we know what's going on,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: we're in control, we want to you know what I mean.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: But but it's not that way.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I think there's so much more to not just this
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: particular you know thing of sasquatch, but everything. Yeah, and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: uh so they try to suppress it as much as
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: possible to please support.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Tom and the show. Yeah. How many years did they
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: suppress UFOs before yeah, finally admitted it. Yeah, why why
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: did they? They? People were stupid to understand things like this.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, nobody's ever gotten riched by doubting the stupidity
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: of government.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and if you I mean, honestly, if you
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: want to become famous and walk some red carpet because
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you see you're seeing you know, sasquatching the forest, that's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: probably not the best way to go about it. If
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: you want to be rich and famous, because you're going
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: to be, you're going to be scrutinized most people. Most
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: people have not seen them. But I think I don't
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: know if it's because I run into the podcast or
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I'm now in this area. I've been doing this for
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: like a year, year and a half. It's just there's
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: so much evidence now, I mean it's it's obvious, but
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: yet still not accepted. And I think we're we're getting
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: to that, hopefully, hopefully we get there.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: The problem the problem is is it's evidence, okay, and
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: the evidences overwhelming, but idiots don't look at what evidence.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: My brother in law say, it still counts more than
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: the best evidence in the world. My brother in laws.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: My brother in law is a freaking idiot. So I gotcha.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: This is incredible, This is incredible. I really appreciate that
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: you came home with me today. Uh, and I would
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: definitely be contacting you to set up another interview at
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: your at your earliest convenience.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, super, I'm so happy been here today. It's been
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: so much fun.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you and your you're a funny gentleman.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And I I really liked that as well. That that's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: that's right up my alley, and I appreciate it so
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: very much. All right, all right, very much, thank you
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: very much. O. Guys, Remember we are the I we
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