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- 0:00Speaker 1: Provided by Thomas Allgaier and Frennis, based on the most relevant posts on LinkedIn about defense tech in CW- Three, six, three, seven.
- 0:08Speaker 1: Frennis is a B to B market research company that equips product and strategy teams with market and competitive intelligence across the defense industry.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Welcome back to the deep dive.
- 0:18Speaker 0: Wow.
- 0:19Speaker 0: There's been so much activity in defense tech these past few weeks really looking forward to unpacking it all today.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Me too.
- 0:25Speaker 1: It's definitely a fast-moving space right now.
- 0:27Speaker 0: So the big question we're tackling today is how is this geopolitical urgency forcing defense tech to innovate at just breakneck speed?
- 0:35Speaker 0: and you know, how's that reshaping global security?
- 0:37Speaker 0: plus what surprising partnerships are cropping up.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 0:41Speaker 0: We've looked at the LinkedIn posts from calendar weeks thirty six and thirty seven and yeah, the landscape is buzzing new product miles.
- 0:47Speaker 0: big international procurement deals, some really fascinating collaborations.
- 0:51Speaker 1: And what really strikes me about these posts is they aren't just showing small incremental updates.
- 0:56Speaker 0: No, they genuinely reflect a, well, a rapid evolution.
- 1:01Speaker 0: In the tech itself, in strategic thinking, and you really see this blend of innovation, partnerships, and frankly, that geopolitical urgency shaping the whole sector.
- 1:10Speaker 0: It
- 1:10Speaker 1: feels like a real acceleration, doesn't it?
- 1:12Speaker 1: Moving from just ideas to stuff actually being implemented.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Definitely.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Okay, so let's dig into that with our first theme.
- 1:19Speaker 1: New products and capabilities, the tech on the front lines.
- 1:23Speaker 1: What really jumps out, like you said, is this shift from concepts to actual field-ready systems.
- 1:28Speaker 1: It's hardware, it's software, it's hitting the ground.
- 1:31Speaker 1: What were some examples that really stood out to you?
- 1:33Speaker 1: Things that signal this new era of rapid deployment?
- 1:37Speaker 0: Well, connecting to that bigger picture, you absolutely cannot ignore the dominance of unmanned systems.
- 1:44Speaker 0: Advanced solutions.
- 1:46Speaker 0: Take Australia's Ghost Shark XL AUV.
- 1:48Speaker 1: Right.
- 1:48Speaker 1: And Dural's project.
- 1:49Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 1:50Speaker 0: Yeah.
- 1:50Speaker 0: Christian Brose highlighted how.
- 1:52Speaker 0: And Dural, working with the Australian Navy, developed and got three operational prototypes out in just three years.
- 1:57Speaker 0: Three
- 1:57Speaker 1: years.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Wow.
- 1:59Speaker 0: And I had a schedule, which is, you know, pretty rockable.
- 2:02Speaker 0: Shane Arnett noted, these are stealthy, uncrewed vessels for things like ISR intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, and long range strike.
- 2:10Speaker 0: And it led to a massive, uh, one point seven billion dollar contract.
- 2:14Speaker 1: That speed is just, it blows traditional timelines out of
- 2:17Speaker 0: the water.
- 2:18Speaker 0: It really does.
- 2:18Speaker 0: It kind of forces everyone to rethink how development happens, doesn't it?
- 2:22Speaker 0: Shows that agile methods can work even for complex military gear.
- 2:26Speaker 1: Three years for an autonomous undersea vehicle that's lightning fast, especially when you usually hear about decades long procurement cycles, really highlights that urgency we mentioned.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Absolutely.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Okay, shifting slightly, Matt Beb shared something about an innovation hitting soldiers directly.
- 2:41Speaker 1: Tell us about the Enduro and Meta partnership on SBMC.
- 2:45Speaker 1: What used to be IVS next?
- 2:47Speaker 1: What's the potential there on the ground?
- 2:48Speaker 1: Yeah,
- 2:48Speaker 0: this is fascinating.
- 2:49Speaker 0: It's basically bringing consumer grade extended reality XR right to the soldier.
- 2:54Speaker 1: So like augmented reality has says.
- 2:56Speaker 0: Kind of, yeah.
- 2:57Speaker 0: Think Meta's hardware but fused with Enduro's lattice software.
- 3:01Speaker 0: It gives soldiers much better situational awareness, real-time data overlays, that sort of thing.
- 3:06Speaker 0: And
- 3:06Speaker 1: the timeline.
- 3:06Speaker 0: Again, speed is key.
- 3:08Speaker 0: Rapid prototyping happened in months.
- 3:10Speaker 0: They're targeting scale deliveries by twenty twenty seven.
- 3:13Speaker 0: It really points to a future where this software first mixed reality isn't just experimental anymore.
- 3:19Speaker 0: It's standard kit.
- 3:20Speaker 1: A fundamental shift in how soldiers experience the battlefield.
- 3:23Speaker 0: Precisely.
- 3:24Speaker 1: That adaptability, that enhanced awareness, it's crucial.
- 3:28Speaker 1: And speaking of adaptability, David Roberts post on ARX Robotics Combat Gerion and its modularity caught my eye too.
- 3:34Speaker 1: What's the big deal about that modularity in practice?
- 3:37Speaker 0: Ah yes, the combat gerion is a great example.
- 3:40Speaker 0: It uses versatile TUR integrations from Valhalla turrets in front line, designed to be deployed forward protecting troops.
- 3:46Speaker 0: Okay.
- 3:46Speaker 0: But the really interesting part is that modularity, you can swap payloads super quickly, literally in seconds.
- 3:52Speaker 0: Need logistics, swap it in.
- 3:54Speaker 0: Need ISR, swap it in.
- 3:56Speaker 0: Counter drone, same thing.
- 3:57Speaker 1: So you can reconfigure on the fly.
- 3:59Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 3:59Speaker 0: That agility is becoming essential because the threats change so fast, it makes forces much more resilient, much more responsive.
- 4:07Speaker 1: speed and adaptability again.
- 4:09Speaker 1: Those seem to be the watch words.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Okay, moving from ground units to national defense, there was that major Danish air defense decision.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Eric Behringer announced Denmark picked the Italian, French, MBDA, SMET and G system.
- 4:24Speaker 1: That's
- 4:24Speaker 0: right, for long range air and missile defense.
- 4:27Speaker 1: What's the significance there?
- 4:28Speaker 1: Is it just about the tech or is there a bigger geopolitical message?
- 4:31Speaker 0: Oh, it's definitely more than just the tech.
- 4:32Speaker 0: It raises big questions about strategic shifts.
- 4:35Speaker 0: The SAMBTNG itself is, you know, state-of-the-art NATO interoperable designed for diverse threats.
- 4:40Speaker 0: Right.
- 4:41Speaker 0: But as Yen Christian Jensen pointed out, this is Denmark's biggest weapon system purchase ever.
- 4:45Speaker 0: It marks them reestablishing ground-based air defense.
- 4:48Speaker 0: Yes, but significantly, it's a pivot towards European industry.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Interesting.
- 4:52Speaker 1: So less reliance elsewhere.
- 4:53Speaker 0: That seems to be the message.
- 4:55Speaker 0: It's not just a purchase, it's a statement.
- 4:58Speaker 0: It underlines this growing European push for strategic autonomy, prioritizing regional partners, maybe diversifying away from traditional allies, seen as potentially less reliable down the line.
- 5:10Speaker 1: A very clear signal then, and in a totally different domain, space.
- 5:16Speaker 1: Keith King reported on the US Space Force using AI for satellite cybersecurity.
- 5:21Speaker 1: That sounds critical.
- 5:22Speaker 0: Absolutely critical.
- 5:23Speaker 0: They're developing an AI tool specifically to guard satellites against cyber attacks.
- 5:28Speaker 0: It analyzes the satellite's telemetry data in orbit to detect threats in real time.
- 5:32Speaker 1: So not just monitoring from the ground.
- 5:34Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 5:35Speaker 0: It's active defense in space.
- 5:37Speaker 0: Satellites are potential cyber battlegrounds now.
- 5:39Speaker 0: This shifts things from just detecting an attack after it happens to proactively defending that vital infrastructure.
- 5:46Speaker 0: It's like a cybersecurity space race, really.
- 5:48Speaker 1: A crucial defense layer, given how much we rely on space.
- 5:51Speaker 1: And sticking with defense layers, Casey Lam-Evans had an update on counter drone tech.
- 5:55Speaker 1: It seems like we're moving beyond basic jamming.
- 5:57Speaker 1: Oh,
- 5:57Speaker 0: definitely.
- 5:58Speaker 0: Yeah.
- 5:58Speaker 0: Drone shield has now fully integrated Centrix cyber take.
- 6:01Speaker 0: over capability.
- 6:03Speaker 1: Cyber takeover.
- 6:04Speaker 1: What does that actually mean?
- 6:05Speaker 0: It means they go beyond just blocking the signal.
- 6:07Speaker 0: They can actually get into the drone's protocol level, force a controlled landing, or even take command of it.
- 6:13Speaker 1: Wow.
- 6:14Speaker 0: Yeah.
- 6:14Speaker 0: And they get advanced forensics using what they call cyber RF data.
- 6:18Speaker 0: It's much smarter than just jamming.
- 6:20Speaker 0: It turns the drone from a threat into potentially an intelligent source, less disruptive, more sophisticated.
- 6:26Speaker 1: Okay.
- 6:26Speaker 1: That makes sense.
- 6:27Speaker 1: So from these cutting edge products, let's maybe pivot to our next theme.
- 6:32Speaker 1: Partnerships and collaborations building bridges for defense.
- 6:35Speaker 1: There's clearly a strong trend here towards expanding reach, improving interoperability.
- 6:40Speaker 1: What alliance has really stood out for you?
- 6:42Speaker 0: A really key one, highlighted by both Mark A. Whitefeld and Torsten Reel, was between Helsing and ARX Robotics.
- 6:49Speaker 0: AI
- 6:50Speaker 1: meets robotics.
- 6:51Speaker 0: Precisely.
- 6:52Speaker 0: They're teaming up to deliver AI-enabled solutions for European forces.
- 6:55Speaker 0: The goal is a software-defined, connected land domain.
- 6:58Speaker 0: faster, more precise action, better soldier safety.
- 7:02Speaker 0: And importantly, they're using combat-proven insights straight from Ukraine.
- 7:06Speaker 1: So real-world lessons feeding directly into development?
- 7:09Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 7:10Speaker 0: That kind of deep alignment, AI expertise, unmanned systems, real-world feedback, seems like the blueprint for European defense tech going forward.
- 7:21Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
- 7:22Speaker 1: Then there was another partnership, maybe less flashy but still vital, that Luca Leone mentioned, Babcock and Skyroll.
- 7:28Speaker 0: Ah yes, the supply chain planning tool.
- 7:30Speaker 0: This is all about rethinking military logistics.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Which is hugely important, if less glamorous.
- 7:36Speaker 0: Absolutely vital.
- 7:37Speaker 0: They've launched this tool to stress test the British Army's sustainment plans.
- 7:41Speaker 0: They run scenarios, like what if Key Roots are denied?
- 7:45Speaker 0: It helps identify bottlenecks proactively before they cause failures in a real crisis.
- 7:49Speaker 1: That's smart.
- 7:50Speaker 1: Preventing problems rather than just reacting.
- 7:52Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 7:53Speaker 0: And Richard Gulliam shared some pretty positive partnership news too.
- 7:56Speaker 0: The UK basically mass producing Ukrainian designed drones.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Right.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Project Octopus.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Is that just about getting hardware or is it deeper?
- 8:03Speaker 0: It feels much deeper.
- 8:05Speaker 0: The UK plans to build thousands of these Ukrainian interceptor drones.
- 8:08Speaker 0: And it's backed by a two hundred million investment from Ukraine's biggest drone maker, setting up new facilities in the UK.
- 8:15Speaker 1: So jobs and industrial links too?
- 8:17Speaker 0: Definitely.
- 8:18Speaker 0: Create skilled jobs, embeds long-term industrial ties, opens up the supply chain for smaller companies, SMEs.
- 8:25Speaker 0: It's a real fusion of wartime innovation and economic strategy.
- 8:30Speaker 1: And tying this into the broader digital picture.
- 8:33Speaker 1: Mike Naylor announced that AWS and the UK Ministry of Defense are renewing their digital skills partnership.
- 8:39Speaker 0: Yeah, that's foundational, isn't it?
- 8:41Speaker 0: This renewed agreement is about boosting digital skills, supporting the Moide's digital transformation.
- 8:47Speaker 0: You need that cloud expertise underpinning everything else we're talking about.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Without those skills, none of these advanced systems work properly.
- 8:54Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 8:54Speaker 1: And looking way up, Michael Hadjithi-Odoge shared details about a really forward-looking space collaboration in Japan.
- 9:02Speaker 1: PerfectJSAT and NICT working on quantum key distribution, QKD.
- 9:07Speaker 1: Ah,
- 9:07Speaker 0: quantum.
- 9:07Speaker 0: This is seriously cutting edge stuff.
- 9:09Speaker 0: What's the
- 9:09Speaker 1: potential here for secure comms?
- 9:11Speaker 1: Why is it such a big deal for defense?
- 9:13Speaker 0: Well, this project is about demonstrating satellite-based QKD, using a small LEO satellite to share secure keys via quantum cryptography.
- 9:22Speaker 0: Basically, QKD uses quantum physics to create encryption keys that are theoretically unbreakable.
- 9:28Speaker 0: Unbreakable
- 9:28Speaker 1: how?
- 9:29Speaker 0: If someone tries to eavesdrop or intercept the key transmission, the quantum state changes and it immediately alerts both ends.
- 9:36Speaker 0: For defense, where secure communication is everything, this could make current cyber interception methods obsolete.
- 9:42Speaker 0: It's a true game changer for long-term security.
- 9:44Speaker 1: Wow.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Okay, definitely one to watch.
- 9:47Speaker 1: Let's shift now to geopolitics and procurement strategic shifts in European defense.
- 9:52Speaker 1: The posts here really showed some big moves in European thinking and spending.
- 9:56Speaker 1: What was the main takeaway for you beyond just the individual deals?
- 9:59Speaker 0: For me, it's this undeniable accelerating drive towards strategic autonomy and collective defense.
- 10:05Speaker 0: Minojin Rajin put it well, defense today is about collaboration, not isolation.
- 10:09Speaker 1: And the Denmark deal fits that.
- 10:10Speaker 0: Perfectly.
- 10:11Speaker 0: We mentioned Denmark choosing the Animpak NG.
- 10:14Speaker 0: Jens Christian Jensen really emphasized this wasn't just buying kit.
- 10:18Speaker 0: It was a strategic statement about investing in the European defense industry.
- 10:22Speaker 0: He explicitly mentioned the historical significance and the pivot away from potentially unreliable traditional partners.
- 10:29Speaker 1: So it's a geopolitical signal.
- 10:31Speaker 0: A very powerful one.
- 10:32Speaker 0: It shows this clear move towards a more self-reliant unified European defense posture.
- 10:38Speaker 1: That really connects with a proposal Jonas Singer put forward, doesn't it?
- 10:41Speaker 1: He argued for streamlining European defense procurement.
- 10:45Speaker 1: Yes,
- 10:45Speaker 0: consolidating platform families, encouraging national specialization, really boosting interoperability.
- 10:51Speaker 0: What
- 10:51Speaker 1: are the potential benefits he sees?
- 10:53Speaker 0: Things like cost reduction, better quality, stronger supply chains, and crucially making interoperability a physical reality, not just a buzzword.
- 11:01Speaker 0: It's a vision for a genuinely unified defense effort.
- 11:04Speaker 1: And the urgency for this kind of change, it seems very Real, Brandt Cowards talked about the Russian drone incursions over Poland.
- 11:11Speaker 0: Yeah, he sees those as deliberate tests, not accidents.
- 11:14Speaker 0: And he called for a layered resilient drone fence for Europe.
- 11:17Speaker 1: A drone fence.
- 11:18Speaker 0: Essentially a continent wide integrated counter drone system.
- 11:22Speaker 0: And Jan Carole Farfall reinforced this, arguing that Europe's fragmentation actually invites these kinds of provocations.
- 11:30Speaker 0: It underscores the absolute need for defense unity.
- 11:33Speaker 1: So the threat feels immediate, driving this push for unified action?
- 11:38Speaker 0: Absolutely.
- 11:39Speaker 0: It's not theoretical anymore.
- 11:40Speaker 0: It's tangible.
- 11:41Speaker 0: It's on their borders, and it's forcing a shift from talk to real investment.
- 11:46Speaker 1: Okay, building on that sense of urgency and change, let's move to the future of warfare.
- 11:51Speaker 1: drones, AI, and innovation philosophy.
- 11:53Speaker 1: This is where experts are really framing how things are changing.
- 11:56Speaker 1: What was a particularly interesting or maybe provocative take you saw?
- 12:00Speaker 0: Perry Boyle had a really compelling argument.
- 12:03Speaker 0: He said, essentially, drones are not products but a process.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Not products but a process.
- 12:08Speaker 1: What does he mean?
- 12:08Speaker 0: He means, unlike, say, a missile, drones are constantly adapting.
- 12:13Speaker 0: they become obsolete fast if they stay static.
- 12:15Speaker 0: Real innovation, he argues, comes from a system that integrates the warfighters using them, the factory workers building them, and the technologists designing them.
- 12:22Speaker 1: And he pointed to Ukraine.
- 12:24Speaker 0: Yes, as a prime example of this agile continuous adaptation cycle.
- 12:28Speaker 0: He also warned NATO not to isolate Ukraine financially or try to just, you know, co-opt their innovation.
- 12:35Speaker 0: It's about embracing that constant adaptation.
- 12:37Speaker 0: It's a
- 12:38Speaker 1: huge shift for traditional defense industries used to long product cycles.
- 12:42Speaker 1: Massive
- 12:42Speaker 0: implications.
- 12:43Speaker 0: And it connects really well to Matthew Sudhan Padmanaban's discussion linking Andrew's success to Peter Thiel's zero-to-one philosophy.
- 12:53Speaker 1: The idea of creating something entirely new, not just improving existing things.
- 12:57Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 12:58Speaker 0: Podmanaban urged Europe to stop making incremental improvements and start building entirely new defense categories.
- 13:04Speaker 0: Things like autonomous defense platforms, attributable drones, the lattice OS concept, create new markets.
- 13:10Speaker 1: Don't just compete, create.
- 13:12Speaker 0: Right.
- 13:12Speaker 0: He suggested Europe should lead on AI standards and foster startup style innovation cells to make it happen.
- 13:18Speaker 0: That's
- 13:18Speaker 1: a bold vision.
- 13:19Speaker 1: Stop chasing, start creating.
- 13:21Speaker 1: Now, on the drone market itself, our senator Toptov had what he called a hot take.
- 13:24Speaker 0: Huh, yes.
- 13:25Speaker 0: He basically said, we don't need any more drone companies.
- 13:27Speaker 1: Really?
- 13:28Speaker 1: Why?
- 13:29Speaker 0: He argues, the market for the basic drone platform is saturated, differentiation is low.
- 13:35Speaker 0: The real value, the next billion dollar companies, he thinks, will come from the drone ecosystem and the multi-domain stack.
- 13:41Speaker 1: So not the drone itself, but everything around it.
- 13:44Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 13:45Speaker 0: niche components, software that simplifies things, modular solutions that work across air, land, sea, cyber.
- 13:52Speaker 0: anti-drone tech, new regional primes coordinating it all.
- 13:56Speaker 0: It's a call for specialization and integration, not just more flying platforms.
- 14:00Speaker 1: Focus on the whole system, not just the vehicle.
- 14:02Speaker 1: That's interesting.
- 14:03Speaker 1: And speaking of what Europe needs, George O. Chathamarkak has brought up something unexpected for strategic autonomy.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Hydrogen and clean fuels.
- 14:10Speaker 0: Yeah, it sounds tangential at first, maybe.
- 14:12Speaker 0: But his argument is that resilience requires integrating clean fuels like hydrogen.
- 14:17Speaker 1: How does that link to defense?
- 14:18Speaker 0: He cited Ryan Middles, Sheena Britson, talking about the defense industry pushing for clean fuels precisely for independence.
- 14:25Speaker 0: It's about energy security.
- 14:27Speaker 0: If your military relies on fuel sources that are easily disrupted, your strategic autonomy is compromised.
- 14:32Speaker 0: Clean fuels offer a path to more resilience, more independence.
- 14:36Speaker 0: It aligns civil and military strategy.
- 14:38Speaker 1: Makes sense.
- 14:39Speaker 1: Okay, finally, let's touch on events and exhibitions.
- 14:42Speaker 1: How are all these trends showcased?
- 14:44Speaker 1: These events are crucial launch pads, aren't they?
- 14:46Speaker 0: Absolutely vital.
- 14:47Speaker 0: They're where you see the tech, meet the people, gauge the direction.
- 14:51Speaker 0: DSCI London was clearly a major hub.
- 14:53Speaker 1: What stood out there?
- 14:55Speaker 0: Benjamin Tallis described Helsing's big presence.
- 14:57Speaker 0: They showed their AI-enabled HX-II strike drones.
- 15:00Speaker 0: SG-One underwater gliders, even their Centaur AI fighter pilot doing simulated beyond visual range combat.
- 15:06Speaker 0: He called it a fundamental shift in European defense.
- 15:09Speaker 1: An AI pilot,
- 15:10Speaker 0: wow.
- 15:10Speaker 0: Yeah, and also a DSEI.
- 15:12Speaker 0: Jarco Sevinius reported the debut of the Fuchs JGM.
- 15:15Speaker 0: It's apparently the world's first vehicle with twenty four vertically launched JGM or Hellfire Longa missiles.
- 15:21Speaker 0: That's a huge leap in ground based firepower using missiles usually seen on aircraft.
- 15:25Speaker 1: Serious capabilities on display.
- 15:27Speaker 1: shows that convergence of AI and advanced weapons.
- 15:31Speaker 1: But it wasn't just DSCI, right?
- 15:33Speaker 1: Paul Matrock reported from MSPO in Poland about something incredible.
- 15:37Speaker 0: Yes, this story was amazing.
- 15:39Speaker 0: Irina Tarek, the CTO of a startup called Firepoint Company, presented their Flamingo FT-V Long Range Ballistic Missile.
- 15:47Speaker 0: Okay.
- 15:47Speaker 0: The truly astounding part.
- 15:49Speaker 0: This startup developed and deployed it in just nine months.
- 15:52Speaker 0: Nine
- 15:53Speaker 1: months.
- 15:54Speaker 1: for a ballistic missile.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Incredible,
- 15:55Speaker 0: isn't it?
- 15:56Speaker 0: It just shows the power of agile, maybe less bureaucratic development when there's real urgency, a challenge to the traditional ways.
- 16:03Speaker 0: That
- 16:03Speaker 1: pace is unbelievable.
- 16:04Speaker 1: And quickly, David Datzreider reported from Drone Days, twenty twenty five as well.
- 16:08Speaker 0: Right.
- 16:08Speaker 0: He noted Airbus DS airborne solutions showing their UAS services, featuring their male UAS and modular mission console, bringing advanced ISR to the field.
- 16:18Speaker 0: It's just underlines how these specialized events are so important for visibility, for collaboration, for seeing what's coming next.
- 16:24Speaker 0: It's where the future gets shown
- 16:25Speaker 1: off.
- 16:25Speaker 1: A lot happening and happening fast.
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- 17:01Speaker 0: And for you, our listener, here's maybe a provocative thought to mull over.
- 17:06Speaker 0: With this rapid convergence of commercial and defense tech we've discussed, these urgent calls for European strategic autonomy, this embrace of decentralized production and zero to one innovation.
- 17:17Speaker 0: How do you think the global defense landscape and really global security itself will be fundamentally reshaped by this unprecedented pace of change over say the next five years?
- 17:26Speaker 0: And what implications might that hold for you?