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175: Movies That Never Had A Chance · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown, I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 6: I'm dave i'm lucy i'm alan i'm ben i'm bo
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  Speaker 6: and i'm greg.
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  Speaker 7: And we are back for another session of the caffeinated movie.
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  Speaker 6: Geek cappuccino my butt i still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 8: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for the caffeinated movie.
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  Speaker 7: Geek we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 7: from green room coffee and espresso bar where we will
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  Speaker 7: get together drink coffee talk about movies that never had
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  Speaker 7: a shot and Once again, we have Alan here from
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  Speaker 7: Green Room, so we will ask you, Alan, what blend
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  Speaker 7: of coffee are we drinking this week?
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  Speaker 3: Sumatra.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, that's not even a funny name.
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  Speaker 3: Come on. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: Make it a Sumatra Sarsaparilla or something.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 8: Sumatra. You're going to drink it.
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  Speaker 6: Damn it.
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  Speaker 7: He's right. I'm drinking it now.
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  Speaker 4: Sumatran Rat Monkey.
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  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 7: That I like. See, we can get on board with that.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't drink that.
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  Speaker 6: You can market it. It's like you come in feeling dead,
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  Speaker 6: but you drink it, and then you're alive.
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  Speaker 7: See, that would work, actually.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot about coffee. If you knew it, you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't drink it.
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  Speaker 7: Which we're going to go into right now.
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  Speaker 6: If only when you drink it, somewhere you have 40 acrimonious....
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  Speaker 7: So, before we get into our topic of the week,
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  Speaker 7: we've got a story that we were going.
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  Speaker 3: To touch on.
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  Speaker 7: Greg, this was you and I.
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  Speaker 3: This was.
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  Speaker 7: A while back when we were at Taxi Driver, and
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  Speaker 7: after our fun-filled tie-in episode, we were leaving the theater. Now,
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  Speaker 7: do you want to set the scene?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first, I don't get the best sleep.
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  Speaker 6: You're both looking at me and smiling already, and I
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  Speaker 6: don't know what's getting ready to happen.
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  Speaker 7: It's all Bo's fault.
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  Speaker 3: It's all Bo's fault.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're at his showing of Taxi Driver, and out front,
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  Speaker 2: they're showing a movie.
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  Speaker 7: Trailers or whatever. But I think it was the whole
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  Speaker 7: movie this time.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the whole movie. Oh, no, never mind.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 9: I get an idea.
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  Speaker 3: And so I.
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  Speaker 2: Know I've seen it or seen parts of it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the hell out of it, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: but I've got to go sit down for the movie.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's still on two hours later when we're,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I guess it's on a loop. Still on
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  Speaker 2: two hours later when we're leaving, and I stop, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like a movie geek, and I'm still watching it.
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  Speaker 7: And it's like a scene that, I mean, it's just...
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  Speaker 7: It's a guy and a motorcycle and two kids, and
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  Speaker 7: it's a very specific visual you've got there. And then
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  Speaker 7: we get this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, you know, I know it's a movie
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  Speaker 2: about a car, and a car.
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  Speaker 2: That's killing people, you know, like a Christine sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is all I'm remembering bits and pieces of it.
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  Speaker 7: And I don't even know if I've watched it, so
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  Speaker 7: I'm sitting there going, I don't think that's Brolin. You're crazy.
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  Speaker 6: I know it predates the film adaptation of Christine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about that. It does.
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  Speaker 3: It does?
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, you know, I couldn't place the name.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, you know, the guy that plays Pee
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  Speaker 2: Wee in Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Roland? I'm not thinking clearly.
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  Speaker 2: It's two o'clock in the morning and I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 2: get up in two hours. And so we're walking out
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, whatever. That's a that's one of those
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  Speaker 2: Disney movies, you know, because it. You know, the girl
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  Speaker 2: from Witch Mountain is in the film. And he goes,
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  Speaker 2: that's one of those live-action Disney movies that they made
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  Speaker 2: back then.
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  Speaker 4: About killer cars.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the one about the killer car. Because we
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen the killer car yet in the clips that
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  Speaker 2: we're getting.
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  Speaker 3: But we leave. You all are turning out the lights.
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  Speaker 7: Our movie geek conversation is funny enough, if you're a
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  Speaker 7: movie geek. But the one that we overhear just a
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  Speaker 7: piece of.
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  Speaker 3: No, you deliver it.
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  Speaker 7: Basically, then we walk past these other people who are
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  Speaker 7: kind of having that same thing, only they're a few
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  Speaker 7: levels down on the geekdom because one looks up and goes,
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  Speaker 7: that's E.T. The girl from Witch Mountain rolling in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: Of E.T., I was just like, how? And they're younger,
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  Speaker 3: so it's, you know.
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  Speaker 7: That's E.T., So now just every time, you know, several
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  Speaker 7: messages back and forth. No, dog, I was E.T. And
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  Speaker 7: then so that there was that story. And then it
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  Speaker 7: reminded me this just happened to be like a day
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  Speaker 7: or two before that was I was I was because
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  Speaker 7: we were getting all prepped for the taxi driver episode.
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  Speaker 7: And I was telling somebody, again, someone who was not
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  Speaker 7: a big movie geek. And in their defense, they were
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  Speaker 7: telling me about stuff I had no idea about. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, they were very knowledgeable in their area. But
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  Speaker 7: in movies, we got to... I was like, oh, and
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  Speaker 7: this week we're doing Taxi Driver. And they went, is
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  Speaker 7: that the one based on a TV show? And all
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  Speaker 7: of a sudden, it hit me.
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  Speaker 4: Taxi?
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  Speaker 7: I was like, so now suddenly it's flashing through my head.
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  Speaker 3: Judd Hirsch is the Taxi Driver. Judd Hirsch with the mohawk, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And then I started casting. I'm like, okay, Danny DeVito's
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  Speaker 7: the Peter Boyle part. Mary Lou Henner can be Sybil Shipp. Yeah, okay, well,
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  Speaker 7: we can make this work. All right, hold on.
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  Speaker 10: So.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. It's funny when you get different levels
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  Speaker 7: of geekdom hanging out together.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, how doesn't that parody exist somewhere?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think.
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  Speaker 6: That's the main thing.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought.
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  Speaker 7: Both of those were quite amusing.
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  Speaker 6: But I like that you're saying, it's this movie about
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  Speaker 6: this car.
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  Speaker 3: It's called The Car.
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  Speaker 7: The Hell You Said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went home and I looked it up and
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  Speaker 2: I sent him the IMDb page for it. And it's
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  Speaker 2: funny because I kept mentioning it. I was like, it's
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  Speaker 2: about a car.
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  Speaker 3: It's about a car. It's a car.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what it's called, but it's about a car.
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  Speaker 6: It's funny then that I would bring up The Car
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  Speaker 6: in this episode. Y'all were having this parallel conversation about
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  Speaker 6: The Car.
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  Speaker 3: Memorable film for.
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  Speaker 7: Silly as it is. So yeah, I just thought that
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  Speaker 7: was a fun way to kick it off.
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  Speaker 3: Movie geekdom.
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  Speaker 7: Not that we don't have enough of that on this show. Alright,
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  Speaker 7: with that we will take a break and we will
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  Speaker 7: be back with this week's topic.
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  Speaker 3: The popcorn can't be beat. The sparkling drinks are just dandy.
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  Speaker 6: The chocolate bars and the candy.
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  Speaker 3: So let's all go to.
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  Speaker 1: The lobby to get ourselves a treat.
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  Speaker 3: Let's all go.
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  Speaker 11: To the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
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  Speaker 6: Evil has visited the earth in many forms. Now it
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  Speaker 6: returns as the car.
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  Speaker 3: There was no driver in the car.
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  Speaker 11: I know why he didn't go into the cemetery.
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  Speaker 4: The ground... was hallowed.
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  Speaker 12: Who knows what it wants?
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  Speaker 4: They all know nothing can stop the car.
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  Speaker 7: This is Wade.
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  Speaker 10: We can't let him through no matter what.
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  Speaker 12: Stay in close.
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  Speaker 4: You have to stop.
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  Speaker 12: There's nowhere to turn. The car, he's in here.
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  Speaker 4: Nowhere to hide. No way to stop the car.
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  Speaker 10: It's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
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  Speaker 10: enough movies.
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  Speaker 6: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
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  Speaker 8: And now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 12: Skies are crying.
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  Speaker 13: I'm watching, catching teardrops in my hands Only silence as
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  Speaker 13: it's ending like we never had a chance Do you
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  Speaker 13: have to make me feel like there's nothing left of me?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian's response was, here it is, it's the car.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, whatever, that's E.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever, that was totally E.
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  Speaker 3: That was totally E.T.
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  Speaker 7: You're so stupid.
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  Speaker 8: The Grind.
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  Speaker 7: In this segment, we discuss a specific topic or question
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  Speaker 7: related to movies. As often as possible, we'd like it
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  Speaker 7: to come from you, but you guys kind of slack
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  Speaker 7: off and you never really come through for us. So
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  Speaker 7: once again, we go to our own group. If you
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  Speaker 7: movie meltdown. But this week's topic for the grind comes
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  Speaker 7: from Dave, who is seated here amongst us. And after
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  Speaker 7: a recent incident, we'll say at the box office, thought
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  Speaker 7: that we should discuss movies that never had a chance. Dave,
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  Speaker 7: would you like to kick this off?
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  Speaker 4: Certainly.
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  Speaker 7: With that incident, more than likely?
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  Speaker 4: They've had me gagged in the back because I won't
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  Speaker 4: stop talking about John Carter, which should properly be called
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  Speaker 4: John Carter of Mars, and it's the most recent and
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  Speaker 4: probably most famous victim of this situation.
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  Speaker 7: Certainly the biggest deal that they've made.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the most expensive movies ever made,
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  Speaker 4: but oddly it seems to be one of the most
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  Speaker 4: profitable flops ever made at the same time because it's
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  Speaker 4: made about $ 270 million. Darn. Yeah. Don't you hate when
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  Speaker 4: that happens? Less than a week into its run, Disney
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  Speaker 4: was proclaiming it publicly through places like the New York
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  Speaker 4: Times that it was one of the biggest disasters in
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  Speaker 4: box office history.
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  Speaker 7: Which seems kind of unprofessional.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very unproductive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that too.
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  Speaker 4: What I think it all boils down to is it's
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  Speaker 4: a war of personalities, and it was a war of
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  Speaker 4: personalities between Andrew Stanton, who made Disney something like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, half a billion dollars or more, with WALL-E
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  Speaker 4: and Finding Nemo. He was given his dream project a
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  Speaker 4: few years ago. This film had been floating around for decades.
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  Speaker 4: People had been trying to make John Carter. It went
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  Speaker 4: through a lot of different directors and finally ended up at,
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  Speaker 4: initially I thought, at Pixar.
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  Speaker 7: I thought, oh, great, perfect, that'll be good.
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  Speaker 4: And then it turned out Disney wanted to take it
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  Speaker 4: live action, and it would be their avatar. And they
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  Speaker 4: let him run with it. And there was no ceiling
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  Speaker 4: on this budget, which was a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But then they dropped the ball as far as promoting,
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  Speaker 4: as far as trying to put it out there. And
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  Speaker 4: it really was going against the grain of the regime
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  Speaker 4: that was in charge now. The one that greenlit it
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  Speaker 4: was gone. And Richard Ross, who's an idiot, who was
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  Speaker 4: fired like two days ago. I was really happy to
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  Speaker 4: hear that. he had it in for this film from
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  Speaker 4: the beginning and he didn't like any of the choices
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  Speaker 4: Stanton made so Disney literally did not market the picture
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  Speaker 4: they went with a very quiet low key marketing no
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  Speaker 4: merchandising which this is this is Disney.
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  Speaker 7: And if ever there's an action-oriented movie with alien characters...
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  Speaker 7: With dozens.
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  Speaker 4: Of characters and spaceships and, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Playsets of the monster fight, you know?
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  Speaker 4: That was my first indication that something was really strange.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because, you know, usually you're going to see toys in
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  Speaker 4: the stores two, three months before the movie comes out
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  Speaker 4: and nothing was coming out for John Carter. And I
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  Speaker 4: don't think this was a choice that Stan made. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they kept trying to lay the blame on him while
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  Speaker 4: we were behind him in his choices for marketing. And
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  Speaker 4: this is all BS. It's Disney. And ultimately, what just
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  Speaker 4: came out a few days ago, was that Ross had
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  Speaker 4: spoken ill about the picture before it was out. It's
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  Speaker 4: the whole people just love to tear into something. The
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  Speaker 4: media loves to tear into things, and that's what happened.
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  Speaker 4: So cohorts all over the place, publications that are actually
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  Speaker 4: linked to other studios, love to watch disasters take place.
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  Speaker 4: They started talking about what an awful movie it was,
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  Speaker 4: and it isn't an awful movie. It's not a perfect movie,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a really good adventure film.
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  Speaker 7: I had fun with it.
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  Speaker 4: And they just sabotaged it at the box office. And
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  Speaker 4: what came out was that this had been going on
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  Speaker 4: for quite some time. And Ross was attempting to blame
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  Speaker 4: Pixar because of their style of filmmaking, which is lots
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  Speaker 4: of reshoots, but lots of pure digital reshoots.
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  Speaker 7: And successful movies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, super successful movies. Everything they touch turns to gold.
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  Speaker 4: And John Lasseter, who's, of course, head of Pixar, is
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  Speaker 4: also chief creative officer at Disney. He didn't like it.
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  Speaker 4: and what I like is the fact that Pixar kind
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  Speaker 4: of takes care of their own. So he and everybody
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  Speaker 4: else on the board shot back, and Ross is out
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  Speaker 4: of a job, and I'm very happy. It's a little
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  Speaker 4: too late to actually save the movie in the popular eye.
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  Speaker 4: It just opened in Japan. It isn't doing great, but
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  Speaker 4: it did great in Europe. It's still doing well. There's
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  Speaker 4: a huge drive to get it to the audience that
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  Speaker 4: needs to see it. But it's one of the Probably
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  Speaker 4: the most classic case of a movie that was sabotaged
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  Speaker 4: and a movie that didn't have a chance. And there's
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  Speaker 4: a long history of those, but this is probably one
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  Speaker 4: of the biggest.
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  Speaker 7: And I think there's a lot of different levels to
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  Speaker 7: it and reasons as to why things didn't work out.
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  Speaker 7: Some of it's from the inside. Some of it's totally
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  Speaker 7: from the audience side. So I thought we could just
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  Speaker 7: throw a lot of them out here and just sort
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  Speaker 7: of have it a roundabout on all of these different ones.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly with John Carter. I mean, it's a 100-year-old book.
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of people haven't read it. Edgar Rice Burroughs,
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  Speaker 4: who created Tarzan, actually, it was his first book. And
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  Speaker 4: a lot of genre authors and filmmakers over the years
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  Speaker 4: have basically pirated this story. And it's appeared in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of movies you've seen already. But therefore, people looking
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  Speaker 4: at it thought, well, I've seen this before. But the
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  Speaker 4: thing is, they hadn't seen the original. And Disney could
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  Speaker 4: have obviously promoted that fact, that this was sort of
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  Speaker 4: the mother of all science fiction pictures and made people
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  Speaker 4: understand it to a degree. It doesn't take much to
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  Speaker 4: educate an audience to a blockbuster. But they just chose
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  Speaker 4: not to. They really wanted to let it fall. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: they could write it off. Because they are not interested
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: in doing, at least Ross's regime was not interested in
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: doing a lot more of live action filmmaking. They had
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: beaten Pirates of the Caribbean pretty much into the ground.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: And this was going to be the first of a trilogy.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: And they didn't want to look at spending this kind
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: of money on live action pictures. Not when you can
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: get a huge return off an animated film.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: So it just didn't fit with what they wanted to do,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: so it was kind of a sacrificial lamb in that case.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: But it's happened before.
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: That's what I said when we first started talking about
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: this online a long time ago. Again, they set everything
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: up themselves. If you can't afford to invest $ 300 million
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: in something, then don't. If you're setting up to throw
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: that much money at something, how many movies anymore are blockbusters?
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: Think about it. Every weekend something comes out, not that
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: often is it like oh my god this is a
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: huge hit every once in a while a few times
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: a year maybe but i mean don't bank on any
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: of these movies making you back 300 million and that's
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: you know before you throw money in advertising and just
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: yeah to me it's sort of their own fault for
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: doing that it's like really this movie didn't need that
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: much money thrown at it i think it could have
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: been made for half of that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I actually believe some of those figures.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: They talk about spending $ 100 million to promote a film.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: They obviously didn't, this picture. But they love to throw
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: those big numbers around and make it sound like a
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: loss to the average person. But film production at Disney
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: is something like 7% of the company's income. So it
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: isn't that big a deal to them, really.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: I think it's just indicative of the way that things
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: have been going with films in the past, really, about
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: 15 years or so, ever since home video and especially
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: DVD things come out so quickly, studios don't care if
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: something has legs. It's like if it doesn't cash in
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: on that first weekend, they chalk it up as a failure.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: So it's like they try to pimp it out, and again,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: they don't care whether it's going to be good or not, too.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: It's like, can we dupe people long enough so they'll
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: come and see it on that first weekend and make
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: a bunch of money? And somewhere along the way, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: with Carter, where they're like, eh, we don't think it'll work,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: they just drop it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Bo and I, you know, Bo still
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: works in film exhibition, and I did for like a
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: dozen years. And you've seen less and less emphasis on
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: what goes on in the theater. They really don't care
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: about theaters.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: It's that first week.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: It's the first weekend, and it's where the money's coming from.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: And they stopped doing previews for critics.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I can't think of the last time.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Because used to, we would have previews for critics. I mean,
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: you're talking at least once every couple weeks, if not
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: more so, but now. I think it's been probably a
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: couple years.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: They don't want to take the risk of a bad review.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: They opened Battleship overseas before they did in the U.S. market.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Because they didn't want it to take a beating.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: It's Battleship.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I was ready for that movie to die when I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: saw the first review.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Just like, I just kept staring at it going, is
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: this another Transformers movie? I mean, I didn't know they
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: were making another one.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: Might as well.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: And it's like Battleship. And I'm like, okay. And then
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: they tell me it's based on the board game.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Based on the board game with aliens.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: Remember the aliens in the board game?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: When they made Twister into a movie from the board game,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: it was kind of an odd adaptation of the game,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: but I enjoyed it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I thought they went a very artistic way with that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Left foot green.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: Paxton screaming out.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Spin again!
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: But I remember, like, before John Carter, it was, like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a couple weeks before it came out, like, the few
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: reviews that, I was looking at Rotten Tomatoes, and the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: few reviews that leaked were all fresh, which I thought
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: was odd. Like, I want, like, it was for, like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: a couple days, it was, like, 90% fresh or something.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be really, like, I
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, wow, you know, critics are loving this.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It makes me wonder, like, do movies sometimes, like, strike
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a deal, like, saying, like, we'll only, you can only
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: review our movie if it's a positive one, that's all
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: we're going to release? Because I'm noticing that with a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: lot of really bad movies, like, they'll start out Again,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I'm speaking from only Rotten Tomatoes, and that's the only
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: source I have, but these really awful, not like John
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Carter wasn't awful, but these awful bombs, they'll have 90%, 85%,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and you think they're going to be really good based
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: on the first six or seven or ten reviews or whatever.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I think those early reviews are objective, and I
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: think the ones that come later are sort of a
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: mob mentality. And you've also got, when it comes to
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: genre films, you've got, You've got fanboy backlash. It happens
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: a lot. Where the people who should be liking this
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: film don't. And it's usually for really stupid reasons.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: The same with, like, Watchmen was another one to work
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: on a couple years ago. It was dumped right in March. And,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like, yeah, I like the graphic novel,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: but I sit there and I watch the film, like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: I enjoy this too.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I thought Watchmen was about as good an adaptation as
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: you could do.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I can't stand any time somebody is
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: obsessive about something being... you know, dogmatically like a literal
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: adaptation of the book. It's like, no, it is just
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: that it's an adaptation. It's for the director to read
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: that original script or material and trying to figure out
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: how to make it work on the screen.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: And sometimes it's better. He improved on it. Yeah, the
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: end was better.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Making Doc Manhattan the threat instead of some bogus alienation.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: It's a way better movie.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: But you'll see that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: You'll see when a movie's release date is. And if
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: you see anything in February and March... They have no confidence.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Same with September and early October. It's considered dead zones.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: And really January, too. You associate January with being all
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: the stuff that's released for the Oscars. Technically, that was
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: released in New York and L.A. Before Christmas, anything that's
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: released for the first time in January, it's pure crap.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Or at least the studio has no confidence in it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: But actually going to something that was released in February,
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: and it's always my thing that I kind of go
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: to any time we're talking about book adaptations versus film,
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: would be Mothman Prophecies. Because there is a movie where, really,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: the main characters in the film are not in the book.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're interpretations.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more or less a fictionalized version of a
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: straightforward movie.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: But to me, it's a successful adaptation of the book,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: even though it has not that much to do with
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: it other than it creates that atmosphere of what the
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: hell is going on. because really the book is just
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: an objective collection of just really creepy shit that was
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: happening in West Virginia at the time, and they actually
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: made that into a coherent story. But I remember reading
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: the reviews, and one of the main criticisms by critics
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: who reviewed at the time was they said, well, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: don't like it that it doesn't give you a resolution
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: at the end. It's like, well, there is no resolution
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: to what happens because nobody knows.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: That's what being scary is all about.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: That they like wrapping things up and putting that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Bow on them, right? I mean, that movie had one
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: of the most terrifying scenes I've ever seen in any film.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And it's something you have to press pause. I don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: know if you want to see it. It's like where
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Richard Gere slams this door. And there's a mirror on it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: If you press pause right there, there's a weird face
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: or a creature staring. And it's terrifying. You have to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: look really close, but I was like, that was really effective.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I like them.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, actually, the stuff that was the creepiest
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: in the film for me is the same stuff that
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: was the creepiest in the book, and that is when
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: it was the people telling the stories as to what
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: they'd seen, because that's what the book is all about.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: They're allowed to actually tell a tale.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: An anecdote that someone had told John Keel when he
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: wrote it down. God, that's freaking creepy. There's the one
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: story that's in the book that isn't in the film
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: I thought was terrifying, where this fellow was watching television
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: and it slowly fades to static, and in his dog
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: that's never barked in his life starts freaking out and
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: so he opens up the door and he sees these
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: red glowing eyes like nine feet off the ground the
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: dog goes running straight towards and he hears this yelp
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: and then the eyes just go up and he never
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: sees his dog again i mean that stuff When it's
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: all to the imagination, it's so much creepier than what
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: they show you.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: But very few films, directors want to do that, or studios.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, The Haunting, the original Robert Wise haunting.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Blair Witch did a great job. At the beginning of that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: where they're going around interviewing people, they did a great
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: job of building up the.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, the whole documentary, the mockumentary that was done
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: about Blair Witch, I think is actually.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Better than the movie. Yeah, yeah, because he.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: That was genius.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: He got people to buy it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: People totally bought it. Up until you saw that girl
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: on Steak and Shake commercials, you were.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Like, wait a minute.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: People were coming out swearing it was Baxter.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: We were running it at Baxter. We were messing with people.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: We were making those little stick people and putting them
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: in people's cars.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: We would leave them made of straws.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: We'd watch them. It was summertime and they had their
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: windows down. We'd watch them freeze.
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: Freak out I remember when we were showing I was
• 26:54
  Speaker 14: standing in the back waiting to clean the theater up
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: and this kid had snuck in because I remember I
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: went to go sell him the ticket he wanted it
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: for Blair Witch he was way too young he was
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: by himself and I told him no but he snuck
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: in he was sitting in the very back of the
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: theater it was during the last couple minutes and his
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: feet were.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: Pulled up like around his chin and there were tears
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: like streaming down his face and I remember thinking love
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: to just grab him just the mental image of me
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: even doing that him screaming and everyone turning around and
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: i just had to walk out before i started cracking
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: up at the end of this very terrifying moment in
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: the film but.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That that i mean you know people talk about that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: i don't know it's kind of almost make it a
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: joke i guess now i don't know maybe it's because
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of the sequel but i That was a scary movie.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, before you knew what was going on, going in
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: for the first time, like when it was first released,
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: not knowing anything about it, it was very terrifying because
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: it just seemed so realistic.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: We had gotten back from our honeymoon. We were gone
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in South America for a month. We'd seen nothing leading
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: up to it. And my roommate at the time, before
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: he moved out right after my wife and I got married,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: he had left it up on my computer, like the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: website that they had devoted to it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like, let's go see this movie. It's
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: showing at the theater. This was in Bloomington.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And we didn't, you know, we were like, well, it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: probably fake, you know. But we didn't have any of
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the buildup to it or anybody talking about it leading
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: So it was.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Pretty interesting experience.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of the antithesis of what we're talking about.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: It's a movie that cost nothing to make. I think
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Artisan bought it for a million bucks.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: I think it cost $ 10, 000 to make.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: They paid off well for the filmmaker and then they
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: went and did a great job of guerrilla marketing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: That was probably the first push on the internet.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: It's still considered to be the most successful independent film
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: of all time.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Budget versus intake is the most successful picture. That's a
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: case of somebody doing something right. That was Artisan, who
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I think right before they were bought by Universe. I'm
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: not sure.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: That was pretty much the movie that made them the
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: company that they were.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: It's a movie that lucked out.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: There was a movie that tried to do that a
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: few years ago, The Fourth Kind, an alien abduction movie.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: And they created an.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Entire backstory, like a website for the city and everything
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: that had all these things on it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And that was completely faked, I found out.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: No, it's based all on real events. They said so.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But they tried to do that, and it didn't do
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: a good job.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: They had two sets of actors, one that was supposed
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: to be the real footage of this stuff happening, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: then the other that was Mila Jovovich.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And um i think it's.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: The mark that yeah blair witch hit.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's just also it's harder to get people
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to like believe in aliens as much as like you
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: know the occult or like i mean that's why so
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: many people were freaked out by the exorcist because there's
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like i mean even if you're not religious there's like
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a weird i don't know just from me speaking like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: you still feel like like you feel like just this
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: the sense of Satan in the movie, you know what
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I mean? It's just chilling. And there's something that you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: couldn't quite get that from a movie about alien induction probably.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: They've taken a couple of ideas that have been bouncing
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: back and forth here, both about taking something that's kind
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: of terrifying in real life and working it into a film,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: as well as less is more in a horror film
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: and still going back to what we started with, with
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: obscure films or just films that were overlooked. Session 9
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I think does all of that very, very well. To where,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, they work in a lot of myth about
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: what took place in insane asylums like the 70s and 80s.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: And they also take that less is more factor into
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: the film itself. And it's just a very terrifying, psychologically
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: terrifying film.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And it's a film that, for the longest time, seems
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to be able to go either way. And then decides
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: it is going to be supernatural at the very end.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: It depends on how you read it, too. You can
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: still make an argument.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: But all those terrible Waverly-based movies came out after. Well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: they've already made the Waverly movie. It's called Session 9.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: And it was great.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies. I love that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: But I would say with Brad Anderson, all of his
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: films really have never received decent recognition because, I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: The Machinist was a fantastic film. Christian Bale lost more
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: weight than he did for The Fighter.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Terrifying.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: And Trans-Siberian was also overlooked. And there he had a budget.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: And it was sort of this Agatha Christie to an extent.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: But Have they promoted any of the, because that's one
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: of those, I caught all of those.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I never saw ever on TV or in the theater
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: any trailers or advertisements for any of those movies.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: It was always on like an independent DVD. I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: they were all like Sony Pictures classics.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: They were just. Even Trans-Siberian, which you would think like.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, it had a large budget.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: And a recognizable cast.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: It might have been artisan. I don't know. I remember
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I was in California. I was at Universal CityWalk, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I remember seeing a poster for it. And that was it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: There was a poster up. And I'm like, well, this
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: looks cool. It's like a horror film. No promotion anywhere.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: That's the only promotion that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Ever took place.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: There was one poster hanging.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: A poster.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Next to B.B.
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: King's barbecue.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: The funny thing is, the thing that sold me, because
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: I was looking through trade magazines, and I just... wheedled
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: the powers that be into us getting it. I was
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: reading it and it was just like a crew of
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: asbestos workers are cleaning out an abandoned insane asylum and
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: strange things happen.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: That was the only blurb. I was like, I like this.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: It's just so eclectic sounding already. It's just very gritty
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: and you almost feel like this invisible observer that's there
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: while all this is going on. I think that's what
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: makes it even creepier. Because you can tell he's watched
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: a lot of horror films because he has a bunch
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: of build-ups where you're waiting for something to jump out
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: and it's like, nope, not right now.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: I like some of the bigger titles to work the
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: opposite in when they're a huge release and it still
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: doesn't do what it should. One of the ones that,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: and we kind of mentioned this on the Knowing a
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: Little Too Much About Celebrities episode, But I think it's
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: a perfect example of it from the audience standpoint. War
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: of the Worlds. I think, you know, how can that
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: go wrong when you're looking at the pitch? It's Steven
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: Spielberg directing a movie about aliens. It's scenes of cities
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: being destroyed. It's like it's what every general movie-going person
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: wants to see. And yet nothing really, especially for a
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Spielberg movie, it did nothing. And I think it's all
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: Tom Cruise. I think it was all... In general, people
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: were getting tired of Tom Cruise at that point. But
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: if you, and that's why I was like, I wanted
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: to check the date on it. In May of 2005,
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: he was on Oprah. Jumping on the couch. In June
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: of 2005, War of the Worlds came out. Tell me
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: there's not a connection of people going.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm done. I think one of the weirdest parts
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: is that I don't think the film was even going
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: to get made without him in it. I always talk
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: about the Tom Cruise module. They plug it into the
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: production when it gets made. And I think he was
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: excited and wanted to do it, and so they did it,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: but then he kind of sabotaged his bizarre behavior. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a dark film for that kind of
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: a picture. Though, it's got a lot of flaws towards
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: the end.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt it peaked in the first 30 minutes.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It's not bad, but.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: It's authentically scary when the Martians are first showing up,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: but when you're trapped in the basement with Tim Robbins,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you really feel like you're trapped in the basement with
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Tim Robbins. It goes on.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Well, that's when suddenly the movie's pace slows down to
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: a stop, and then you have to have the probe
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: moving around. It's like, this is.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: you know twice.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah exactly it's spielberg's bag of tricks this is the
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: velociraptors in the kitchen i can't.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Think of any like set pieces at all past where
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: they come up out of the ground and are killing
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: people like after that i can't remember what happens like
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: action wise like it's it's all blank for.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Me of course my problem is i was sitting there
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: watching with my dad and he's one of those people
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: to where he picks up on what isn't right right
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: away he just is constantly whispering.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: It to Oh, God, stop.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Because already I was like, I was trying to like it,
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: even though.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I love the old George Palin. I knew it was
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: going to be dedicated to it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: But like, you know, the whole scene where the guy
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: stands up and he's recording it through the VHS thing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: He's like, oh, it's so cool. My dad's like, it's
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: in the MP.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Just take care of all that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, stop it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: And then just, you know, even when it got to
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: the point to where they're on the boats or on
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: the boat with all the cars and that, and he's like.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: why do they need all the cars on that boat?
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Couldn't you fit more people on? Because remember, the EMP
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: killed the cars.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, stop it. I'm trying to concentrate.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: The whole time he's doing that, I was just like,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: all right, I've given up on this movie at this point.
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: Your dad is like a script reader.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: That's the stuff I don't think about until later on.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: He's looking for that right away.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: It's just like, no, no.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Well, that's one of those, I think it didn't even
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: matter whether it was good or bad. It's like there
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: were so many people that just wrote that off beforehand
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: because it was just another Tom Cruise movie. And yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: it never had a shot in him.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: It sinks in with the public long before it sinks
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: in with the producers. That you should stop putting this
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: man in every picture.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: The public gets.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Tired of it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: That's what my wife won't... She's like, no, don't spend
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: $ 1 at a Redbox on him.
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: Don't do it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Just... I don't bring it in the house.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: She hates him that much.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: And that continued. Like, I think I remember referencing that
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: before of like that string of like six or eight
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: movies that like, he just wasn't like, they still kept
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: giving him these huge $ 40 million paychecks or more and,
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: and putting him as the lead in all these movies.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: And like, nobody ever saw the, um, last mission possible
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: film as well as the third one. Um, not a
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: one of those. I mean, they were successful, but I
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: don't think they, they took off the way they wanted
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: them to.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And, um, The whole series never took off.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: The way they wanted it to.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: That's true, too, but these last two have actually been
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: very good movies.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: Everybody likes the last two.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: They just get very entrenched in their belief about what
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: somebody can do in the box office.
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: I feel that way about Jennifer Aniston, and that's what
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: made me so sad about Wanderlust, because that was billed
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: as a Jennifer Aniston movie, which I think is actually
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: a box office killer when, in fact, it was a
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: state movie. So anybody that would want to go see
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: a movie that the people from the state did... stayed
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: away from it because they didn't know and thought it
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: was a Jennifer Aniston movie.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: I saw that trailer.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have touched it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Fortunately, I see everything.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Even with Paul Rudd in it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, this has got to stop.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: It wasn't actually people start marketing stuff as Jennifer Aniston films. Like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: I want to go see the new Jennifer Aniston.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Nobody says that. I don't even know if it's ever.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: She still gets.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Money and they still.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she's the Tom Cruise.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: And just to put in perspective how much people don't
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: want to accept Tom Cruise the same way They did.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: He did the Tropic Thunder thing. Everyone thought that would
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: reinvigorate his career. He was reinventing himself. No, if anything,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: that just made him a weirder person.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: It did.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: It was funny, but still, it's Tom Cruise. He's a
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: weird guy.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Funny enough, I feel like I had this conversation on
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the show, but I don't think it was. We were talking,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and we figured out that in Tropic Thunder... that character
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that he's portraying outwardly is really who Tom Cruise is
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: on the inside.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: He's that ugly and that nasty.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Of a human being that looks like Tom Cruise.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's why people responded to him. Because they liked
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: him in that role.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: I would say the same thing, but for Magnolia.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I think that one's close.
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: I think that one's real close. Well, while we're on
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: that tangent from one to the other, another one that
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: definitely falls in that category, Battlefield Earth.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: That should have that should never have gotten a chance.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: But not because it's a bad movie it is but
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: it didn't matter because I don't think again I don't
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: think the producers or the actors putting this together realize
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: how anti Scientology middle America and everywhere like everybody that's
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: not involved in it really has a problem with it
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: and really does not want to support anybody who has
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: anything to do with it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It was a film that was Good Lord, like 15,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: 20 years in pre-production. I remember seeing signs in bookstores
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: back in the early 80s.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: Travolta was supposed to play the Barry Pepper role when
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: he was young, and he got so old he had
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: to be the old guy.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: They had a contest that you could be in this film.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I'm talking like 1981, 82. I saw these Walden.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Books back when they were first pumping out the L-rhymes.
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: What's a bookstore?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And it took that long, and by the time it
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: came out, absolutely no one was interested in seeing this picture. Now,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Scientology had plenty of money to pump into it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: It didn't stop.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: It was all those things. I think it was another
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: one of those. He was in that same Tom Cruise
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: situation where he'd made way too many movies in that
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: span of time since Pulp Fiction. People were like, okay,
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: number one, I'm sick of John Travolta. Number two, he's
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: super into Scientology. He's backing the hell out of this movie. Mm-hmm.
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: And I don't want to support any of that, you know?
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: I think it's one of those that audiences were not
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: on board from the get-go. And no matter how good
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: the movie was, it also turned out to be a
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: train wreck.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the only thing I've never seen the
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: film whatsoever, the only thing I remember of it is
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: the trailers and just that image of Travolta just doing
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: like this, you know, 30s serial villain laugh into the camera.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, really? Yeah. It's bad. His accent is
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: just like, is this, like, is he trying to be funny? Like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you can't, it's... I think, like, Roger Britton, like, he, like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: summed up perfectly where it's like, it's like sitting next
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: to someone on the bus who smells really bad. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the experience of watching. I'm like, yeah. It seems.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: It's just another, you know, example of a product of
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: something that comes from such an insular way of thinking
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: that they just throw it out there. It has nothing
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: to do with what people want to see or.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But all the people that backed it were the same
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: people that believed that it was their story that was
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: going to revolutionize or people were going to wake up and.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: Finally.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Right. And I watched it. I said, okay, I'm going
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to watch it. completely try to get rid of any
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: preconceived ideas i have about it and let's just watch
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: it as a sci-fi movie and it's bad yeah it's.
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: Bad but to put it in perspective even that had
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: toys in the stores did it yeah take that john
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: carter we showed you jesus so yeah that was just
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: one another little tie in between those two actors.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Actually, speaking of movies where they were blockbusters that also
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: were kind of a mess, but had toys in the
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: stores of Last Action Hero, which.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Was a great movie.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: I love that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: I like Last Action Hero because it's just such a,
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: you know, it's Schwarzenegger parroting himself and making fun of
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: himself within his own film. And it has like sort
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: of a.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: We'll never get that level of entertainment ever again in
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: action movies. That late 80s, early 90s the Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: movies where they were just, like, dumb fun and, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: don't know, like, it's just, action movies today, they won't
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: reach that level of just pure joy that, like, running
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: man or true lies has or last action.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Hero well i feel like those were self-aware it's like
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: they knew they were about awareness it's like they knew
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: they were about you know the explosions just for the
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: sake of explosions versus you watch you know like michael
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: bay i feel like he takes himself just way too
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: seriously i.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: Think nobody's more impressed with him than.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: He i think the only director that's around that actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: still falls to that category that i swear it doesn't
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: take himself seriously but I have this argument with other
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: people is Roland Emmerich. Because some people are like, no,
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: I think he does take himself seriously. I'm like, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: don't think so. You watch 2012 when all of California
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: is collapsing. You know he's just laughing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: That was a fun movie.
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: Early on, I think Independence Day, he probably still was like, yeah,
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: I'm making a great action movie. But by the time
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: the day the earth froze or whatever the fuck that is,
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: I'm just like, what was that one? Yeah, Day After Tomorrow.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: I was just like, when he's writing in the wolves
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: running around on the ice, I'm like, okay, that's funny.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Wolf attack. good, like more than I expect to be,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: than Anonymous was. Did anyone see that?
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: No.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: And that's why I was so intrigued. I was expecting
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: it to be so terrible. And I watched it and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what?
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: I think that one perfectly fits into this category, actually.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I think you're about to have an objection here.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, maybe it is terrible, but my expectations
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: were so low.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: That I was just like clinging to any like little
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: clever like thing. I was just like, oh, okay. After
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: this is done. It looks interesting, you know, like in
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: period piece, but.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: I can't even.
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: Lace into you because I feel like I willfully forgot it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: Like I left the theater.
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: It's one of the very few films that I felt super,
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: super tempted to walk out of because I literally, I
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: started rolling my eyes and like, and then by the
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: time I left, see, I said, I don't even have
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: a valid case because I can't remember the film. All
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: I remember is that it was just like, Oh, they're
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: just going to make this as, salacious and preposterous as
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: they possibly can. And that's entertaining in and of itself.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to just go with that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: The movie does not respect Shakespeare.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: And his work. He actually did write it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: There's no debate.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: The movie's like, well, there's a chance.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: No, there's not. He wrote it. What are you talking about?
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: I think that's a perfect example of this, though. That's
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: one of those that I remember seeing the trailer, whatever
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: movie I saw, it was in the theater. and it
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: got to the name at the end, and people laughed.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: And they were just like, Roland, you're making a period
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: pink Shakespeare.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: It was fun. I mean, there was kind of a
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: corniness to like, what's his name, Rice Evans?
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Am I pronouncing it right?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: His role was a little bit, it was kind of fun.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I think it's Risa Vaughn.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Risa Vaughn, sorry. And yeah, I mean, you could kind
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: of like, it was kind of fun how they worked
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: this kind of fictional, this preposterous story into actual history,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: and didn't even, care how accurate it was. They threw
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: it all out the window. I just kind of took
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: it in with a grain of salt, I guess. Surprised
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: at how not terrible it was.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: I will re-watch it.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: Keeping in mind the thesis that Roland Emmerich is self-aware.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: There's some bad parts in it, too. I mean, I'm like,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: in the first, like, I mean, there was, for a
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: good 15 minutes, the first 15 minutes, I was like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: this is going to be terrible. But, you know, it
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: just kind of slowly grows.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, this is interesting.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: For me, I'd have to get over my distaste of
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: Risa Fonz, though. I just do not like.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Him in anything.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: He seems like he'd be just a real dick in
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: real life, and he brings that kind of....
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: I feel like he channeled.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: It well for him.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: And during Love, I feel like he at least channeled
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: that sort of creepiness.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: That movie has one of the greatest opening scenes I've
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: ever seen in any film.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one of those that I don't think it
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: had a shot past the trailer. I think everybody saw that,
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: and it just reminded me while we were talking about Devil.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: I remember seeing that trailer and it goes through the
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: whole thing and people are like, oh, okay, this could
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: be interesting. He wasn't even the director, but they slapped
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: his name on that trailer.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: And an audible groan. And yeah, everybody.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Everybody in the theater just went, oh, God.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Was I with you?
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: Maybe.
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: Was it Predators or something?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: And I laughed everyone else. Everybody laughed at him.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: It was the same thing I saw. It was Scott
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Pilgrim versus the world. It was a big crowd and
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: you actually heard people murmuring, because it looked decent. And
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: as soon as it came up, the audience groaned, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: everyone laughed at the fact.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: That everyone groaned.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: I like that that was happening in theaters all across
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: the nation, yet he still keeps getting money to make movies.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: And as much as his movies, his latest, I mean,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: besides Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, which was good. But everything
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: else he's made has just been terrible. I hope that
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: someone at some point just went up and gave him
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a hug.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: The world hates you here.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: It's amazing that he hasn't killed himself.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: I feel like Unbreakable was his best and that one
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: got overlooked.
• 46:42
  Speaker 15: That's my favorite comic book movie of all time.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: It is a great origin film. It's the only origin
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: film that I think really works. You don't know who
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: this guy is.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: It's necessary.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: And that's a movie that they didn't promote. They were
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: counting on just his name at that point after Sixth Sense.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: And we screened it late one night at Baxter, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I was shaking at the end of that picture. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: it's a movie that was so good it didn't need
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: the surprise ending. It could have ended with him lying
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: down next to his wife, and it could have gone black,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: and it would have been just as good a picture.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: And that's where he peaked. And that was also, I guess,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: in a way, his least performing film.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: So what we're saying is it's only a matter of
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: time before there's an M. Night Shyamalan movie with Tom
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: Cruise and Jennifer Aniston.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: You're ready.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: That's going to be a period. Bruce Willis and Samuel
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Jackson made the same movie together, and that movie will
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: be awesome because of it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: One of the films that actually parried that whole mentality
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: was The Player, Robert Altman. That's a great player.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I love The Player.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: That's one of my favorites of his in general, yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Which sends up Hollywood. And the whole point in that,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: you've got a director who wants to keep his movie pure,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: and they keep wanting to cast Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: And when the film is finally made at the end, well,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: there's Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts in the roles. It's
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: supposed to end with someone dying in the gas chamber,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: and now Bruce blasts it open with a shotgun and
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: saves her. And has that great line, I'm sorry, traffic
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: was a bitch. That sums it all up, man.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: If there was ever a movie made that would play
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: it at least art houses like Baxter forever, is if
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: you made it to where it starred Meryl Streep, Julia Roberts,
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: and Sandra Bullock, all of them are in love with
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: George Clooney.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: That movie would run forever. This does sound good.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Get it directed by Clint Eastwood, there you go.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: At least, yeah, baby boomers would go to it forever.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I remember the odd phenomenon when Big Fat Greek Wedding,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: we talked to her, played for a year. It brought
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of people back to the movies, but it
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: brought the wrong people back to the movies.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: People I don't want in my life.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: I had a nice little old Jewish lady who was
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: sitting there watching Gangs of New York, who wandered out
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: kind of dazed. She's like, why does it have to
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: be so violent? And I'm like, it's called Gangs of
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: New York. It's rated R, and it's by Martin Scorsese.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: And that's when she said, well, why can't all movies
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: be like Big Fat Greek Wedding?
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: Because we're lucky.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: There's only so much John Corbin.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: We were talking about the star power thing. That's just
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: so common working in a box office. People walk up,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: like even with Iron Lady, they just walk up, two
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: for Meryl Streep.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: They don't care what the movie's about. they do like
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a while always saying Meryl Streep yeah or a while
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: you know it was just one for George Clooney.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Like And that's why movie posters were reduced to big
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: pictures of people's heads. I remember Air Force One, it
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: was a big picture of Harrison Ford's head with a
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: little airplane.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: It's about the plane. It's got a plane. It's Die
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Hard on a plane.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I remember when I first saw the trailer for Speed,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I laughed and laughed. I was like, oh, Keanu Reeves
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: is an action star?
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Now that's only... I was wrong.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: But, you know.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: The whole phenomenon of underperforming and underpromoted movies goes so
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: far back. The summer of 82, the big genre summer
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: of 82, which is one of the biggest ones in
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: my life, two movies didn't play well.
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: Blade Runner, no.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: And one movie didn't play well at all, and that
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: was Videodrome. Because Universal decided that we were too dumb
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: to appreciate that film. It didn't open here. They had
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: the poster up at Showcase, but it never opened. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: had to win a year and catch it at a
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: midnight show in Lexington.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: I love how you said that with disdain.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: In Lexington.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: At the Kentucky.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: At the place they should be too dumb to get.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: That's basically the implication.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: They still have spittoons there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: They were always a cooler town, I must admit it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: They showed all the John Waters movies that the Vogue
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: didn't even get.
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: Now I hear they have Harry Dean Stanton films.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: Do they?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Who would put something like that together?
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: But just those decisions made by producers, well, this isn't
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: going to play in Louisville, Kentucky. And so you're deprived
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: of my favorite Cronenberg movie forever. Usually it's been Universal.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Those were both, I think, Universal releases. No, not Blade Runner.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: Somebody today, they were asking, it was the movie Pariah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: which just came out, and I haven't seen it yet.
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: But I've had a couple people tell me it's good,
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: and Someone was like, did y'all even play that faction?
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, no.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: They decided not to even release Into Louisville for that. Now, again,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: it goes back to the money. If it doesn't make
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: the money in New York, L.A., Boston, Chicago, the big markets.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: They don't even bother with it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like another Cronenberg movie that didn't really have
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: a chance, its legacy, I guess, more so, was Existence.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: It came out the same year as the matrix, which
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: even if the matrix hadn't come out the same year, it's,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not, that's not to say that it would have
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: been this big movie. Cause it was, it's definitely a
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: weird kind of independent film, but I feel like just,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you know, like dark city also came out like a
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: little bit before that, like the matrix just came and just,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: you know, killed off any, you know, action sci-fi movie
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: within that came out in the same radius. And like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: maybe it would have had like a more, uh, just successful,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: just kind of, uh, Life afterwards, like on DVD, say,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Anything that had an alternate, sort of an alternate artificial
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: reality got buried by The Matrix.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Cronenberg kind of has a history of that. I mean,
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: Dead Ringers really didn't get much recognition at the time either.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, even Jeremy Irons didn't get any kind of
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: nomination at all.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: He actually won the Oscar the next year for playing
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Klaus von Bulow, which is a movie, unfortunately, nobody thinks
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: about anymore. But I remember when he got the Oscar,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: the first person he thanked was David Cronenberg for the
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: year before. I thought that was pretty cool.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: I at least remember promotion for that one, but I
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: don't remember anything for Existence.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: That one just limped out. That's kind of like his
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: video game version of Videodrome. It is a good picture,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: but they weren't behind it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely up there. I mean, it might
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: be my number two favorite. It might be top of
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: the video. Before or after Crash?
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: After.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Crash was in 95, and I think Existence was in 99.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Crash is a big one that, you know, I love Crash.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they hated it at Cannes.
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Well, they gave them the special award for audaciousness.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: They created an award.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: It's on the poster.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: So they actually did like it, even though it was
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: wigging them out.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: But the studio had no idea what to do with it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: It opened Louisville, and it should have opened at Baxter,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: but it opened at Showcase. And on the way in,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: they were apologizing to me. They were saying, now, if
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: you don't like this picture, you can have your money back.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: And I went in there, and it was just me
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: and two film critics, C.D. and Archie, and a couple
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: of normal guys.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Quote, unquote. Quote, unquote.
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: Not if they were going.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: To see Crash.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: The normal guys had to get up and leave at
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: some point. It was just too much for them. But
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: we're all like gawking, you know. We're like, this is great.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: And about two weeks later, it came to Baxter. And
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: we actually did pretty good business with it. But it
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: was just, you know, not promoted. Still, Cronenberg's one of
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: those guys that let him make these amazing movies.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look at his last film. Although his
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: last film was, you know, kind of hit and miss
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: in Dangerous Method.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: But still, it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: Wasn't really promoted at all. Especially considering that, you know, he...
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: been nominated for you know we've been nominated best picture
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: for eastern promises and before that was history of violence
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: i mean both of them were fairly successful for cronenberg
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: films and here he's making something with you know fosbender
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: and vigo again and um you know.
• 54:37
  Speaker 16: It's historic it's not going to get behind that but
• 54:41
  Speaker 16: um and it even picked up you know nominations here
• 54:43
  Speaker 16: there but Even amidst Oscar season, it just dropped.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: That's usually the case, actually. I mean, how often does
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: anything that's that kind of period piece thing, number one,
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: do that well before it hits video, and number two,
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: get a big push from a studio? It's just that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: not what they're... I can't believe they keep making as
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: many as they do.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: It's interesting to see how this next film, if it
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: picks up any kind of recognition whatsoever, because it looks
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: like it's going back to old times.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Cronenberg. Sometimes it'll be, you know, Star Power or something
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: gets a film made. I mean, one of my favorite
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: top ten movies is Master and Commander.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: And that's the only reason I'm assuming that got made
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: is because Crow was behind it, yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Because of Crow and because of the director. And it's
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: a great, great smart adventure picture. But it's about stuff
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: people were forced to study.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: I don't want to think when I go to the movies.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: You know, Napoleonic War. And it really didn't do anything.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: It did not do anything.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: And it was going to be the first of a
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: huge franchise, all those great books. And they built the
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: ship and it's still down there in Baja and sitting around.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: Waiting for the reboot.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Fro keeps trying to get a script on.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: It's never going to happen. But I love that movie immensely.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: And a lot of money went into it. But it's
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: history and they can't get the kids excited.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: That's what I feel like just now. Any costume drama
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: that's not I guess, based on, I guess, a Jane
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Austen book, or, I mean, like, they just, they don't
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: make the same money that they used to, really. That's
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: the one I, like, if, say, if, like, Age of Innocence,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: which I don't know how much money that made, like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: you know, if that came out now, like, you wouldn't.
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: No, nobody would pay attention. They would say, oh, that's
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: an Oscar movie, and they'd get nominations for it, but
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: nobody would go see it in the theater.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: That's something I'd even thought about with, um, topsy-turvy you
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: know mike lee had a fairly decent reputation i mean
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: it did well our first weekend but after that i
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: mean it dropped off and no one really talks about
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: it but i mean it's a pretty tremendous i think
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: it's one of his biggest undertakings and it's an amazing
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: period piece just about the making of the mikado but
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: you know who talks about it but i just sort
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: of dropped off the map so if.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: It wouldn't got that nomination i think most people would
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: never even heard of it you know.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: It's like whenever they make a period piece and then
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: they try to pimp somebody's name in it. I think
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: the one that comes to mind most humorously is Gillian
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: Anderson after she left X-Files. She did House of Mirth,
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: and they were just pushing that as her big push
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: into drama.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: She's like the poster.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: There's a little plane next to her head.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: I believe she is a dramatic actress.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: Well, then there's other ones that can't repeat the success. Like,
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: I was thinking of, again, one of the bigger ones
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: in this category would be The Postman. A couple years before,
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: puts out a big three-hour drama and does a great
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: job with it. And somewhere along the way, Waterworld comes out.
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: And then that trailer comes and people are just like,
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: I don't want to see that. Post-apocalyptic postman. It's funny that,
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, he was such a big deal a few
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: years earlier in Hollywood. And by the time A Postman
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: came out, he was almost a joke already.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: That's weird, I mean, to have just gotten Best Picture
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: and a few years later, like, I mean, seriously, since then,
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: his career has never recovered. He's never gotten back to
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: that level.
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: I think it was Waterworld that sort of did it.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: It became like the joke or the stain on his career.
• 58:14
  Speaker 16: It is.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: You just really can't get back from it, even though
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: one that was pretty decent was Open Range that he did.
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Well, he kind of came back as a character actor.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Good Western. Did some good work.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I still like the Western.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: What's the one where he was murdering people? That got
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: a weird.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. That was, again... It was entertaining. It was
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: not a bad performance out of him. And that's another
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: one that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: Was supposed to have been the first in a series,
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: but it just dropped off.
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: It's one of those that, again, I'm like, he's still
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: out there, he's still making movies, but nobody cares anymore
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: because of these movies. And, yeah, Postman was like, what,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: lost $ 62 million, according to... Yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: But yeah, for somebody that had just won the Oscar.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Well, also another movie like that where just the tarnished
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: reputation of the star just I think killed any chances
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: the movie had was Bad Lieutenant with Nicolas Cage.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Which I thought was great. I mean, I'm a huge
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Herzog fan. It's already one of my favorites. And it
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: just kind of, it's been reduced since just that period.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Walmart parking bin kind of.
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: I don't think there were that many hardcore Abe Vigoda
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: fans to where they were like, no, I'm not going
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: to see this.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, everyone was just like, oh, Nicolas Cage, that
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: guy who's in everything.
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: They worked against him doing a really good job.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And even if you see the trailer, if you take
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: out-of-contact scenes from the movie, it still looks like a
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: really bad Nicolas Cage movie. You have to watch from
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: beginning to end to just realize what a weird, just
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: kind of... trippy just kind of masterpiece it is it's
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: nicholas cage.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: Doing almost a parody of nicholas cage for me but that's.
• 59:52
  Speaker 17: What works so well yeah it's so great in it
• 59:56
  Speaker 17: it's like he's richard the third or something like i
• 59:58
  Speaker 17: don't yeah it's just positive and his voice gradually changes
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 17: like by the beginning then so he like has a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 17: different voice by that point he like goes this weird
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 17: transformation it's i thought it was brilliant yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: That was one from, was it last year, I think,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: or something?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: A couple years ago.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's been some recent ones that I felt
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: like nobody saw. You know, Attack the Block lasted like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: a week. Oh, that was such a good one.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad I got to catch that at Baxter, too,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: because it came and went.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: I think we were like one of the only people
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: in town showing it, and it's like, okay, this has,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: you know, the crew behind Hot Fuzz and Shaun of
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: the Dead, a couple of very successful films behind it,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: and it's about essentially a group, you know, it's like
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: the Goonies meets, you know, aliens or gremlins or something.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: It was just such a clever concept and very well done.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: Nobody saw it.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: It's a great movie. People were applauding when it ended.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: It got no press.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. I wanted to do a review
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: of it for the Louisville Cardinal the next week, but
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: I couldn't because I found out it had left. No
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: one can see it now in the city of Louisville.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: Well, look for this on DVD.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: They're just producing so much now. I constantly marveled at
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: that from when I was a kid. We'd have a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: big summer, and a big summer, being a genre fan,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: might mean you might get three or four pictures. But
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: now there's 30 or 40.
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes there's ones going up against each other the same weekend.
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  Speaker 4: It all gets lost if they're spending so much money.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I think was the case with Attacker. The Block,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: it's just there were so many other big movies that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: were catching people's attention that this very clever little film,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: it was just that it was a little film that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: didn't get seen and it should have had legs.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: And made it last.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: It's also like in the shadow of Super 8. It's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: kind of like the other side of the Super 8 scenario.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: That was a film where it had a lot of
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: great potential, but it let me down. I was more
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: interested in the story of the kids and what was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: going on there than.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: visually it's impressive but yeah it's going on with this
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: creature it's got its problems but it's a good it's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: a good watch but again you can't compare that to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: what they were doing with with no money in attack
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: the block and it to me that one hits way
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: better it comes off as a much better.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Movie yeah people were appropriately calling it the movie super
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: h and because it was the whole thing was just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: an escalation of just it got better and better and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: just super a was the opposite for me i thought
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: i liked it but it just kind of deflated yeah
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: gradually until this you know by the Final sequence, I just,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: you know, there was no motion for me. It felt flat.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: It's got a lot of good stuff in it, but
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: it doesn't come together.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: And it was even more a disappointment because what came
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: before that was so great, like what preceded it. I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, this could be like the next, you know,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Spielbergian masterpiece. Like this is like E.T., It had moments
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: of just brilliance, like some of the best scenes I've
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: seen in any movie in the past five years. That's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the thing.
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  Speaker 6: As soon as the kids' story ended, you started to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: lose interest. It's like once they're showing you all the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: supernatural or monster stuff, it's like, I'm actually getting bored
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: of this. I want to go back to the kids
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: making their little movie.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that scene where the town's being bombed, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: they run into that house, and they make some kind
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: of weird joke about, like, we have to– Like, I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: have to get a drink of water. Like, I'm thirsty. And, like,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: they're just, like, yapping at each other and talking over
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: each other. I'm like, this is brilliant. Like, this is
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the Goonies all over again. It's, like, reinvented.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 18: Or when, you know, the train's coming. He's like, we've
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 18: got to get the train in the back. That's production time. Yeah,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 18: it's so great. And this kind of reverts back to, like, oh,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 18: this is kind of like Cloverfield. Like, the monster isn't
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 18: that imaginative. It's not so much fun anymore. And it's just, like,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 18: it's weird. It's like it's eating people.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Like, that's kind of horrific. I didn't know it would be, like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: such an evil alien. Like, I wasn't expecting that. It was...
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Kind of threw off the tone, I guess.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: And then they change gears with it, and by the end,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: it's not... It does switch tones a lot towards the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: end of the movie, which I think that's what ends
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: up hurting it in the long run, is if it
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: could have kept one or the other, I guess, but
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: the fact that it totally changes gears on you towards
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: the end there.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 9: I just thought it was such a soulless film. It
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: was like you took every Spielberg movie and just put
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: it on shuffle, and it just divested the whole thing
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: of any meaning or.
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  Speaker 7: I think the kids worked that first half hour or
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: so with the kids I liked but yeah the alien
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: end of it there's not much to.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: It people were saying like in the end credits where
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: they finally show like the whole movie a lot of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: people were saying like this whole movie has more emotion
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: and genuine I would have.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: Watched that than the movie before like they could have
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: made an hour and a half of that.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: The actual actor kids had actually made that movie and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: I was like well that's what true filmmaking is this.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Has heart and soul pure inspiration and everything else was
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: just like you know copycat from Spielberg yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 9: And it was almost cynical in how much it wanted
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: to make us remember those good films from our childhood.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: It was based on, it was like, you know, kind
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: of preying off, like, you know, just the whole era
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: right now of nostalgia that we live in. And I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: still do think it had real moments of just, I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: thought were brilliant.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: It did have good stuff in it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: It came out, but like, it was too flawed and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: it was too, like.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, derivative.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: What y'all are both saying is what works in Spielberg's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: earlier set where you watch like Raiders of the Lost
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: Ark of Jaws to where basically he's making stuff that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: he loved growing up.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: He reinvented that.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: And so, um, this was just like copy. But I mean, again,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: as you're watching that, it's like, okay, that right there,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: it's like those kids are making what they've grown up watching. That's,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: I'm totally invested in, you know, can bond with that.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: And really, I don't, I can't think of a movie
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: where it's just been about kids trying to make a film.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: And that's why I thought it was so clever up
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: until the point where it's like, Oh, the story's over.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: Now this is actually the real movie.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's what everyone I talked to, I saw my group
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: of friends, what they loved about it, because they were
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: all film geeks too, they're like, we loved how it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: was about a bunch of kids trying to make a movie.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: It was about that for most of the movie, and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: then it just kind of.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: I think that's pretty much what sold it for a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: lot of people when they saw the trailers. I mean,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: that's what made me want to see it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: It was a great trailer. That's sort of the reverse
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: of everything else here. It got sold perfectly, and then
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: it didn't deliver. It didn't deliver, yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: That train sequence actually made me laugh, though, because they're.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Like, production value, production value.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Production value.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, that train's going to be overkill.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: But when the train comes, it was like CG. It
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: was a terrible-looking train.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: And you're like, well, maybe if you'd shown us a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: real train after you kept talking about how a real
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: train would be great production value, maybe that would have worked.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: But cg cost a lot of money.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Like the the most like it's explosive horrific like extreme
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: train wreck that could ever happen in like in the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: world like happens on screen there like you can't get
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: any more ridiculous.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: And i even kind of had high hopes like even
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: after the train wreck it's like you have the teacher
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: and he's half dead and i'm like oh that's a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: teacher who got killed in the gremlin and he's another
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: science teacher that's also going to kill my monster and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: so i thought it was like another wink to the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: audience like okay this is gonna be kind of a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: fun thing it's just No, it started taking itself too
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: serious as the movie went on.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: It's just it didn't work.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: This is kind of, I don't know if the movie
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: deserved or would have ever made anything or deserved for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: everyone to see, but probably the movie that got the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: biggest screw job of any movie of all time.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: There can't be a greater national event to have messed
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: up a movie other than Collateral Damage. Because that was
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: scheduled to be released right after.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: Way to go, terrorists.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Right in the week after September 11th. And, you know,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: terrorists bombing a building in a movie kind of screws
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: up your movie. And I watched it. I mean, it's
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: not the best movie. I still haven't watched it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Again, that's how bad it got hurt. I couldn't finish it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: Actually, I would say the first two-thirds of it, I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: really liked. Now, once Jamie Foxx suddenly becomes Mr. Badass
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: and he's taking on this killer.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Assassin, I'm like, yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: Oh, wait, wait.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Are we talking about collateral or collateral damage? Collateral damage.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 18: This is the Arnold Schwarzenegger terrorist wolf of villainy.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: We may be at the root of the problem right now.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's on the level of Commando when you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about. It didn't have, like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: that kind of fluffy, fun, goofy quality. Like, it felt
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: more cynical. Like, the later Arnold action movies, like, kind
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: of starting with 680, started to become more self-serious and just, like, had.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: This douchebaggery, like, vibe. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Like, it was like Arnold Schwarzenegger was preaching to us, like,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: you can't, like, Science is evil. This is wrong. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: don't like it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: I think that's why his box office started trailing off.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: There was nothing left to do except become governor of California.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: But actually, in that same vein, that's actually what happened
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: to Donnie Darko. Because Donnie Darko was released in the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: fall of 2001, and it got pulled from a lot
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: of theaters.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: Because of the plane issues.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which I always liked that overreaction that occurred at
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: the time.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: There was another film that was a phone booth. It
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: was about the snipers. Yeah. They just yanked that right.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I remember we had the trailers and posters
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: for Spider-Man where you're looking at the 20,000.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: That was in the first trailer.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: We were all like, let's hang on to this.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I remember that trailer, seeing that, too, and you could
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: not find it anywhere after that.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah. It's a good trailer, actually.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, was that supposed to be an actual scene from
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: the movie? Because it was very elaborate.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. That was specifically for the trailer.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: It's a great trailer.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: I almost wondered if that actually was made by Raimi
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: as like a pitch to producers.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Like, hey, I can do this.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: And then he just cleaned it up later on.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Might have been. Speaking of Raimi, what was Darkman? Yeah,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I love Darkman. I feel like, I mean... I don't
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: know about when it came out because I was like.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: I think it was expected to be the next Batman.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Exactly. I feel like a lot of people thought it
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: was too much like Batman or something. Like, at least
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: people I've talked to have seen it. Was it successful when.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: It came out? Not tremendously so. I mean, I saw
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: it when it came out.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's fair to say it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: didn't have a chance.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: It was kind of in that kind of Wild West
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: period before the franchises were building. So here's an independent
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: superhero kind of film.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: And I like Raimi a lot, so it was nice
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: to see him do something like that. Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: They pushed it like that. They had a lot of advertising.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: Cause somewhere I have a t-shirt that's a big purple
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: image that says, who is dark man? And they had
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: that push of, they had buttons and t-shirts and they
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: did a lot of promo at the time. Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: They had a lot of formal on it too, that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: they were hoping it was going to catch on like that.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: And it, it just never did.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: It's a fun movie though.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: I really like it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: So you and I, before the show, we're talking about
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: something that was a throwback to a genre that, um,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: really hasn't exploited that much anymore, is 13 Assassins. It
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: was going for the old samurai film genre. And Takashi Miike,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: who's just made these very surreal, gory, you know.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Cult films. Yeah, you make as many movies as he
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: has every year. Eventually you're going to make something amazing,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: odds are. And I think this one is the one
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: where he hit the jackpot.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: It's a great movie, yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: And it was just something to where I think it lasted, again,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: a week in Louisville, and that was about it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: Well, again, I didn't even think it played here. Because
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: they don't... That's what I'm saying. But you wouldn't know that,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: because nobody puts the word out on that. And, again,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: that's another one of those foreign movies. I mean, how
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: often does a foreign movie get a push from any...
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: In this country. It doesn't happen.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: The studios, too, because... you'll find out on a Wednesday, hey,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: you're opening this on Friday. And it's like, we didn't
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: even know it was coming down the pipe. We don't
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: have any posters for it yet. It's like, whoa, overnight,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: just some posters. Nobody showed them.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Nobody knew.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: That's why back in the era of the calendar house,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: you could let people know there was a whole system
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: in place, but it's not.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: That way anymore. Six weeks out, you could be like, oh,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: I want to see that when it comes here.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: Even now, a lot of calendar houses have that trouble
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: because they still try to pull that. And so calendar
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: houses can only have maybe a month out, and that's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: about it. as opposed to saying two to three months' worth.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: A lot of people plan.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: And, I mean, I think it was the best action
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: movie of last year for me.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: It's a great movie. It's really well put together. Do
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: we want to hit some of the other big, ridiculous ones?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: Again, ones that sometimes the people behind it bring way
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: too much baggage. How about Geely? Yeah. Way too much baggage.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: Let's see, it lost about $ 66 million. First of all,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: who invested $ 77 million in that? I'm sorry, because I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: don't see it on the screen. I guess it was
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: all for their special guest cameos. I don't know. That's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: one of those, and that's what it comes into. Before
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: you ever found out what a terrible movie it is,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: and it is bad. The dialogue in there is cringeworthy.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: But before you ever got to that, people were already like,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: I'm so sick of these two. I'm so sick of
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: people jamming two stars names together. And then putting it
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: on every late-night tabloid news show that, you know, they
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: were so sick of people that it killed it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: It reminds me, what was the film that Guy Ritchie
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: made right after, I mean.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: He'd... Swept away.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: It's the same thing.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: He'd been hitting it strong with, you know, Lock, Stock,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch. He was sort of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: building his reputation, and then suddenly he's making that crap.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: Well, you know why. I just went off on this
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: the other day. She sucked the life out of him.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know what happened but i mean he he
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: yeah was a pretty successful and seemed to be having
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: a good ride as a filmmaker and like everything that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: came after that and then soon as they weren't together
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: anymore sherlock holmes came and he made a lot of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: money again i was just like she was killing him
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: i don't know it's a very strange scenario.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: Going back to kind of what um you were saying
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: earlier in the way and we were talking about um
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: dead ringers and just films to where somebody put in
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: a great performance, but nobody saw the movie, and then
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: in turn didn't see the performance, I would actually, one
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: I wrote down was Felicia's Journey.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: Because it's so funny, if Bob Hoskins comes up in
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: a conversation, and someone's always like, oh, I love Bob Hoskins, about, well,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: have you seen Felicia's Journey? Well, no, I never even
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: heard of it. It's like, that's the movie he should
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: have not only been.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Nominated, but won an Oscar for. No, Super Mario Brothers.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: That's my favorite. That's me and Dennis Hopper.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I love those.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: Films that was promoted as something very, very different.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: We had so many walkouts on that, I remember, because
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: it was pushed as, and you watch the trailer.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like a romance.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: It's like this Irish girl goes to England to try
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: to find her boyfriend to tell him she's pregnant, and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: Bob Hoskins helps her. And it's like, yeah, that's what
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: it's about. But he's also a serial killer, and basically
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: he's trying to get close enough to her so that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: way he can convince her to get an abortion so
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: then he can kill her.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: Well, that's Adam and Goya, wasn't it? Yeah. That's the thing.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: Those are people who obviously aren't familiar with this movie.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: They're not cheery. That's just not how it works.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, it's just an astounding performance by Hoskins
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: because he's genuinely terrifying in a lot of points. But
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: at the same time, he can just be chipper and upbeat.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: It's like turning on and off a switch with this role.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: He's an example of an actor where there's a total
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: disconnect between different generations of how they perceive him.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: With me, for a.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Long time, I just knew him as Smee. And then,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: after that, I was like, oh, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this movie's awesome. This is even better
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: than it. I thought that was as good as it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: got for Bob Hoskins.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: That's pretty high on the list. I didn't know about this, Lisa.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about it.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: Long Good Friday.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Long Good Friday, yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: That's no Roger Rabbit.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: A little bit of history there. Well, it's another good
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: performance that no one saw the whole wide world with
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Vincent D'Onofrio playing Robert E.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Howard.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: It's like one of the great tragic roles. That film
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: got zero release, zero promotion. Played Louisville before Roger Ebert
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: was shot in Chicago.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: And a fantastic score.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: And it's a heart-tugging movie. I mean, it's the first
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: thing that, what's her name? The first big picture she had,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: we'll call it a big picture. Helena Bonham Carter? No,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Renee Zellweger. And she turns in a terrific performance. It's
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: her first real role.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: And that's saying something these days.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: She was very good, because she's playing a girl from Texas.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: You know, she can't go wrong. But that movie was
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: just spectacular. It's one of the only movies that I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: can't watch it without crying. And no one saw it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: Well, that's all of D'Onofrio's career.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: He got the nomination.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: His most recognizable role is Men in Black. He's done
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: all these amazing dramatic performances.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Or The Cell.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: The only things that they've seen him in is Men
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: in Black, where he acts like an idiot the whole time.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: He's entertaining, but it's not really something you want people
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: to remember you for.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: I remember that movie played The Vogue. It didn't even
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: last a week. They actually cut the run halfway through
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: because no one was in the auditorium.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: Of course, you mentioned D'Onofrio. I think Dangerous Lives of
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: Alterboys was another one that nobody saw.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's a good picture. It's not the best adaptation
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: of the book.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I still like the book a whole lot more
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: because that's one of the only books to where I'll
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: tear up reading it because it's just such a heart-wrenching story.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: But it does capture the energy of growing up and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: being that age when you're a kid. No release. Just
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: kind of dumped out.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: Just kind of thrown out.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Good pictures.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: We want more on the horrible list.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Horrible?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: We haven't even touched Heaven's Gate. Are we skipping that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: one because.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: It's too big?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Heaven's Gate has a terrible reputation and it doesn't deserve.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: It's another like Dune. It's more of an interesting... It's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: still interesting. You can see how it's flawed in this movie.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: It's so unique. There's no other movie... It's too indulgent.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: It's too self-indulgent. But there's a lot of good in there.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Michael Cimino is too... I think, you know, good of
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: a director to just, you know, you can't dismiss his movies.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Just because, by default, they're going to look and, you know,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: just feel just totally different than anything else you'll see.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: But that did so bad, it kind of killed his career.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: It did.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Well, was that before or after Poco Greenwich Village?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: Did he do that?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: I think that was before, maybe.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: I think it was before, and then he did that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: weird Mickey Rourke movie.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, The Home Invasion was a remake. Oh, yeah. Which
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: I thought was, like, it was highly flawed. Desperate Hour.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Desperate Hour, yeah, I was going to say. But I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: was glued to this. It was on TV, and I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: caught it. It was really, you know, it kind of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: gripped me.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: It's one of those things where a guy will produce
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: something that gets all this acclaim, and then they'll let
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: him do what he wants to do. In this case,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: there was no control over it. Apocalypse Now, you can
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: throw in that.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Everyone considers it pretty much a masterpiece, you could say.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: It took a long time, yeah.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: And I'd say Coppola really never recovered from that.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: To the point now that he really isn't a very
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: good filmmaker.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: If you've seen anything he's tried to do the last
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: couple of years, it's.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: Hey, don't talk bad about Jack. Come on.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: Coppola's Virgin Suicides, another one that lasted about a week,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: but you watch it now, and it's just for a
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: directorial debut on Sofia Coppola's part. It's very good.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I still can't figure that out.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: And then, of course, once Lost in Translation came out,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: then she got.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: recognition.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: It's like, no, go back and watch her first film.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: I like the films a lot. It's just she was
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: a complete surprise when she pulled off.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: In a way of bad, I'm going back to your
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: all's jump on me at the beginning as I will
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: bring up the card. It is like my favorite B movie.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: It really had nothing to do with the movie it
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: was the people walking past so it was no knock
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: on you.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: You know anyone I show it to it's definitely one
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: of my most leased out DVDs that I have in
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: my collection because I've always shown it to people and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: I was like god this is such a fun film
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: why have I never seen it before because you know
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: it actually is kind of high budget for a B
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: movie it's like it was Universal actually they considered it
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: to be their big 77 summer picture but it was
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: the summer of 77 and everybody was going to see
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: Star Wars not the car so As a result, I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: don't know how it did at the time, but I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: think it probably lasted about a couple of weeks.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: It was around, but back then movies were around. Back
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: then there was no place for them to go. There
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: was no video market.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: And there weren't 10 more coming out the next week.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: Movies would play weeks, if not months. Star Wars was
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: in theaters for a year and a half. And then re-release.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: It's just the way things were back then. I remember
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: the car and getting a lot of TV advertising. assuming
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: you did okay.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: For me it's just one of those films to where
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: i mean there's so many horror movies that exist to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: where a they take themselves seriously which this one doesn't
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: and b you always have those obnoxious characters you really
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: can't stand and this one it picks them all off
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: i mean i'm sitting here the whole time thinking oh
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: well thank you movie you set up this annoying character
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: it's like god i have to sit through and listen
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: oh no okay well thank you very much i mean
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: and um and there was that whole line of Jaws rip-offs.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: And a lot of people say, well, it's just Jaws
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: on wheels. And it's like, yeah, it kind of is. But,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: you know, out of all those, I mean, I like Whim,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: Girdler's Grizzly.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: And, of course, Jaws of Satan. That's just like this
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: weird mix of Jaws and Exorcist.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: I guess everyone wanted a Fritz Weaver vehicle at the time. But,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: you know, I think the car is the most successful
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: of those attempts.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: The car reminds me of almost a Jack Arnold movie.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: You know, just, you know, a monster running around the desert.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: I think it works really well.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: A lot of great visuals just because they chose Utah
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: and just the scenery around it as being their background.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: Almost like the sort of John Ford influence as well,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: where it's just they're letting the landscape be part of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: the film, which is very, very weird for just a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: movie about it's Satan in the form of a car
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: killing people.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: I'm fine with putting that on the list somewhere down
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: the line.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: I think we need to watch it.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: Well, there was other ones that I was thinking were
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: also on that star vehicle situation, and it's one of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: those that you, for years there, put out pretty decent,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: or at least watchable movies, and then all of a sudden, like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: they start to drop off, but studios keep giving them projects,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: and you don't know why, and people completely start to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: write them off for years. And I guess the grand,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: you know... finale of that for this particular actor would
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: be the adventures of pluto nash but i mean that's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: 2002 they'd quit watching him for almost 10 years like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: it was a good study drop off of his movies
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: where people did not care don't put him as a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: lead in a movie because we don't like him anymore
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: you know professor was like his last yeah swan song
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: and even then that was almost like a comeback in
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: the middle there it's.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: Like the sequel to twins now coming down the pipeline.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: I know that again they keep giving him stuff and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: and if he if he could get back to that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: state where he started we'll see but i mean he
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: has not been there in a long time but and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: and that one went so unrecognized that i don't think
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: i even realized It lost $ 112 million. I don't think
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: I even paid attention to it enough to realize it
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: bombed that bad.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: This movie's just vanished.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: We don't want to talk about it.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: That's a huge deal.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: But to me, all of his were like their meat
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: daves and all of that stuff. Nobody went to see it.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: Norbit.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, nobody went to see it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: The Haunted Mansion movie. Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: That's another one of those that Pirates of the Caribbean
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: could have been that same bat, but no, they found
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: a way to make millions of dollars off that. Haunted Mansion?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: No. Oh, there's a connection with that to my favorite subject,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: John Carter.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: I wasn't aware.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: Do you like that one?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: The same regime. that wanted to kill this, they were
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: going to crank up a new live-action version of Captain Nemo.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: I actually remember us talking about this a year or
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: so ago.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: It was Will Smith.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I think that could work if you did it right.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: You don't know.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: There's a difference. It could do either way. It could work,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: and then it could make money.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: I've got no problem with him as an actor. I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: think I can do great stuff. Not in that role.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: The same with.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: Talking about remaking Oldboy with Will Smith.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: Spike Lee and Josh Brolin.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: Spike Lee is insane.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the 80s, they wanted to do
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Creature from the Black Lagoon. Carpenter was going to do it,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: and they wanted Eddie Murphy to be in it.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: Vampire Brooklyn.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: God, I'm walking out of the room. I can't do this.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of projects where you.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: They get that name.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: That's all they think about.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: They're 10 years out of date. They want to plug
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: it in, and it's just going to be a disaster.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: There was a period where Naomi Watts was going to
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: be in a Michael Bay remake of The Birds.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: Thankfully, that died.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: I forget.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: Actually, they were talking about remaking Don't Look Now with who.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Was going to be in.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I can't remember who was going to be
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: in that, but I remember reading it.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, Kiefer Sutherland.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, it was just in name.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: But in a way of stuff to where it's been
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: kind of going back to Battlefield Earth and even John Carter,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: a sci-fi film that the book has a huge following
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: that's been in production hell for like a decade, Ender's Game,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: and they still keep talking about that. But, I mean,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: Ender's Game keeps changing hands and all this stuff.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Isn't that filming right now? Like, they have set picks.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 10: Allegedly.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: That's what they say.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: The kid from Hugo, I think, is my name.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: A similar book is Stars My Destination, which is one
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: of my favorite science fiction books. They've been trying to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: make it for 40 years.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: The problem with Ender's Game is that's going to have
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: to at least be PG-13, because that is a gritty book.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: And they're going to want to market it to kids.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: I don't see how they're going to make it work,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: and I think that's been the holdup for so long,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: is they realize if you do it right... It's got
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: to be gritty, but at the same time, if your
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: kid is a protagonist, you're going to want to market
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: it to kids. They haven't been able to figure out that.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the whole reason that the PG-13 rating came
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: to be. It was, we've got to make a movie
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: that's a little edgy, but we've got to make that money.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: And Jaws was the first film. Jaws, if you look
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: at it now, you've got severed heads and legs floating
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: around and hands on the beach. This is our material.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: Back then, they wanted so badly to make money that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: they made it PG, but they put that first warning
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: I ever saw on a poster. Maybe too intense for
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: your children.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: May scar all of the kids who see this.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: They may not be able to take a shower for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: six months.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Even Raiders has scenes of people just getting point-blank shot
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: in the head by the Nazis, their heads exploding.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: That should have been a PG-13 if it existed.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: Temple of Doom was actually one of the ones that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: sort of catalyzed.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Temple of Doom was even worse.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: It made them and Gremlins were like the two that
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: sort of catalyzed the creation.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 12: Of that PG-13.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we need something.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Well, they want to market it if it's a genre picture.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: We talked about Dune. Universal wanted to make it. They
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: made action figures, you know, from a David Lynch movie.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: There were action figures, and there was a sandworm toy,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: which looked like a sex toy. And there was, you know,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: all this other stuff.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know what you're talking about. I play with
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: my eraser head action figure all the time.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: It's just like watching a weird bad dream about a
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: movie take place. It's like they're actually doing this stuff,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: but they're making the movie.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: You remember the Blue Velvet breakfast cereal? All the pieces
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: look like little ears, and you pour the milk in,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: it turns red.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: The funny thing is now, you can actually see McFarlane
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Tours releasing a Blue Velvet line, just because they're weird
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: like that. Sure, I'd buy them. Like an Elfman, you know?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: But going to PG-13 down the road is Expendables 2,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: to where the first Expendables, I mean, it was just
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: over-the-top violence, because it was both an homage and a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: parody of the films from the 80s with all these icons,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: and then the studio was like, shit, that made money.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: We could have made more money if it was PG-13.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: So now the expendable's to it's under the PG-13.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's going to be PG-13?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: It's going to be PG-13. But they're already saying, well, no,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: the DVD will be unrated. I mean, they're already worried
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: about selling the DVD before the film's cut.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: Multiple-tier marketing. Get out of jail free card.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: Those kids who saw it will be a little older,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: so they can get in, and then the adults will
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: dig the uncut stuff.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: And then later I can double-dip and buy the DVD
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: and see a whole different movie now.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Parents still take their kids to, I mean, Predators.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, there was a kid that was three in
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: that film.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: With his parents.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: It's front row.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: And I was going, this kid is going to be,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I haven't, they haven't started it yet, and this kid
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: is going to be scarred.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: But they also had, like, a newborn. It's screened right now.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, and the same movie, I was in, like,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: one of the stores, Target or something, like, the day
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: they released Predator's.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Hey, Dad, look, it's the Predators movie. I mean, he knew.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: So he'd obviously seen it because he's talking about what
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: scenes were in it. So it's at least two parents
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: that have taken kids to that movie. Well, for me,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I do that as like working. It's a judgment call
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: for me. And there will be times to where I'll
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: basically weigh the argument. Okay, what is going to cause
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: more complaints? Letting this kid in to see this movie
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: from other people who are seeing it or refusing the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: parent the ability to buy this ticket. Because I did
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: that with a couple of parents on Girl with a
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Dragon Tattoo.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Because there was this woman bringing in like... Oh, God.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 9: I'm scared.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: No, she had like a 10-year-old daughter. And she's like,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: two for this. I said, I'm not selling you tickets
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: for that. She's like, well, she sees violent movies all
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: the time.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: I'm like.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: I can't sell you a ticket for this. To me,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: I think it looks tacky if you're selling tickets to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: that knowingly. Because I remember I saw, against all my wishes,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: I was just with a group of friends, I saw
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: Last House on the left, the remake of it, and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: um at stony brook and there was a father there
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: who had like a little like six-year-old girl sitting on
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: his lap the whole time during like the five-minute rape
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: show that's just going on i'm like why would you
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: bring your kid to this how are you going to
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: explain this rape scene to them later on.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: You won't have to they'll do this being a therapist.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: It's like your kid gets home from third grade or
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: you know a day at third grade it's like what
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: do you want to do You want to watch Irreversible?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: I'm going to watch that later. Okay, cool.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine. I freaked out when I was seven
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: and I saw the scene in The Omen where the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: guy gets his head cut off. I flipped my shit.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: I was seven. I was in the comfort of my house.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine seeing a movie like Last House on
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: the Left in a theater at five years old. That
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: would have scarred me.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: My first midnight movie, I was eight. and a friend's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: dad took me to see Gremlins, and Gremlins isn't bad.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: It's PG still. It should be PG-13.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: It should be PG-13.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: It was not traumatizing, but I came back, and I'm
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: supposed to go to sleep. I'm at a sleepover, and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is pretty creepy.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: This drive's going to get me.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: I remember that one as well, because I remember I was,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: I guess, about six or seven, and we were having
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: a sleepover, and the parents had rented Gremlins and watching it,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: and it's just the mental images of like, Spike with
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: the table saw, the chainsaw, fighting the hardware store that's just,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: you know, the blood and the grittiness.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just showed that to Allie.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: She's six.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: She was like, couldn't wait to see it.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: And then she's in it going, And then, yeah, you're
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: watching The.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Blender, and you're like, she hasn't asked to watch it again.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: But, yeah. Which is why, actually, I like Gremlins 2
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: a little bit better than the first one, and I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: would assume that was something that probably failed at box office.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: You didn't do what Gremlins did.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: That's a movie to watch, and I'm like, okay, this
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: has an even better sense of what it is than
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: the first one was. Because the first one, I feel
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: like there are a lot of points to where Dante
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: didn't know whether to make it horror or comedy, and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: I feel like that right there is like Dante at
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: one of his best ones. I still think Matinee is
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: his best, which is.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: Definitely from nobody.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Matinee.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: But Gremlins 2, I mean, it's So self-aware and just
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: all the different cameos and nods to just, you know, movies.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Of 50s and 60s. Yeah, by that time he decided
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: to make it a fun picture.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: He still had the reputation of a pretty kind of
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: edgy horror director. You know, The Howling and other films
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: But yeah, matinee. Did anyone even see that when it
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: came out?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: I rented it when I was little on VHS. I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: just remember John Goodman and Giant Ants, and that's it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: I can't remember. I remember liking it, but it was
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: just so long ago.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: It's a good movie.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: It's something that I didn't see until I was about
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: 19 or 20. But at that point, I'd already fallen
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: in love with 13 Ghosts and the Tingler, and so
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: I'm glad I actually discovered it after I'd fallen in
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: love with William Castle, because it's totally in a modern.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: Equivalent to him.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: We had Joe Dante as a guest at Wonderfest, and
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: I remember.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: Joe told Bob Burns, well, I made this movie for you.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: He says, unfortunately, you're the only one who saw.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: It.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: It's such a great film.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: It's weird thinking. I saw probably the longest string of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: obscure old movies, probably when I was under 10, just
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: because I went to uh, just the movie rental place.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like rent VHS is every week. Like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: I remember I watched like the great Ewok adventure when
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: I was a little kid, like no one else. Like, yeah. Like,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: like critters too. Like just weird or like Mac and me.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: I saw Mac and me when I was like a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: little kid.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: Like I'm glad somebody can't believe.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: I saw the box.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: I remember seeing it when I was a kid and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: not liking it. And then just recently, um, somebody showed
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: me a clip on YouTube. I was like, like, God,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: this is even worse than I remember it being.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: There's, like, in the 80s, like, there's all these, like, Canadian, like,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: horror movies or, like, alien movies that are just, they're all, like,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: kind of slight rip-offs of, like, a famous horror movie
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: or alien movie that came out. And there's just so
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: many of those. And they, like, I felt like the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: video store I went to was just full of those.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 7: Well, that's what it was for. Boom, they came out.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: The late 80s were the end of that era. Yeah.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: So much good junk being put out.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: There's nothing like that now. Just, you know, late night cable.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's actually something that's been, like, my project
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: recently is thinking, okay, what video covers do I remember
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: burning themselves in my brain when I was a young
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: kid and trying to track those back down? Because that
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: was an era to where box art sold, and people
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: just cranked and stuck out like crazy.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: It was always the horror movies that really left an impression. Like,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I remember the cover for, like, you know, Leprechaun, you know,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: when I was a little kid. Or, like, there was,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: I went to this place, it was called Movie Warehouse,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: it was a rental place in Owensboro, and, like, It
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: was really cool because they gave you free popcorn and everything.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: There was, like, a turnstile if you went in. And
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: they had this, like, darkened adult room. It was for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: adults only for the horror section. And they turned the
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: lights off. It was so scary. And they had this
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: cardboard cutout of, like, a gremlin from Gremlins hanging, like,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: from the ceiling. That used to terrify me. I was
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: always just too afraid to go in that room. Like,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: you know, me and my sister would, like, dare each other.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: We couldn't go near it. Like, there was a picture
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: of Hellraiser next to it. It was just, like. I
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, my vivid one was the cover for Phase 4,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: just the hand and the ants coming out of it,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: which really isn't a major component to the movie at all.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: And that's something that, God, I don't know how many
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: people have even seen that one, but that's, you.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Know, you start talking about Saul Bass. It's the only
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: movie directed by Saul Bass.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: Which is funny also that it doesn't have any credits
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: in it, in the opening credits.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: That's what it's supposed to be all about.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: And that's actually a film I would love them to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: put out a, wider release because allegedly there was a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: more 2001-esque ending to it that test audiences were like
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: just completely flabbergasted by that they cut it out and
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: you can see clips of it in the trailers but
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: on the film itself nothing well.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 7: I think the uh this this topic again we can
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: probably do a whole another episode but we should probably
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 7: round this one out is there any last ones you
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: needed to get in on the uh movies that never
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: had a chance.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Um actually um You were talking about The Exorcist 2 earlier.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: I thought The Exorcist 3 was highly underrated. That's true. Yeah,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: it's a good movie. Very scary, I thought.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: George C. Scott's awesome.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like, I mean, again, I don't even know
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: if I was born yet when it was like the
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: early 90s when it came out. I was born in
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: the 90s. But, I mean, I would think a lot
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: of people probably just dismissed it because The Exorcist 2
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: was such a bomb. And they're like, oh, 3, like,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: Well, 3 is the legitimate sequel.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's directed by the author.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: It was directed by William Peter Blatty. He was actually
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: a very good film director. Another film I was going
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: to just bring up was 9th Configuration, which is an
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: awesome picture he did that nobody saw.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: That's on the list, too.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, just one of the best, and nobody saw it. But,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: you know, it was a legitimate sequel. Exorcist 2 was
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: just nothing. But it was still fiddled with.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: It really is Exorcist 2.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: It's based on his novel Legion.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: And, uh, it's, it's kind of a, you know, it's
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: kind of a smart movie about the real battle between
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: good and evil.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: And it, it's got one of the scariest scenes of
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: all time where.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: The confession?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Well, the confession.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that and the shears.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: The hallway, the long shot down the hallway and the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: figure comes out with the big shears. That, that always
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: gets people. And it goes against a lot of conventional direction,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: which is one long shot.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 7: That crazy old lady on the ceiling.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: Freaked me the fuck out.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: So that's, it's a good movie.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: Um, The flip side is a kid's movie we talked
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: about earlier. It's The Iron Giant, which is one of
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: my favorite movies.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 15: Everybody I know gets every time he launches up to
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 15: sacrifice himself. And it's a film that was completely bungled
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 15: by Warner Brothers Animation.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: It was their last motion picture, full feature. The trailer
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: was so generic you couldn't tell what it was.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: And it's a Jennifer Anderson movie.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: And, you know, it's Brad Bird, you know. Yeah. And
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: it went nowhere. Only the big difference in that is
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: that Warner Brothers realized that they made a mistake and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: they actually apologized publicly for how much they bungled that movie.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: They did.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: It was a great movie.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 7: It's one of those, yeah, everybody I know loves that movie.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: Like anybody who is into that type of movie or
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: even is just a movie fan is just like, that's
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 7: a great movie. And you do wonder... what did you
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: do to like, totally like, you know, a movie that's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: this beloved after the fact, it's like, what did you
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: do to screw up the market?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Well, when I thought back and re and cause I
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: bought it not, I mean, not long after my son
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: was born, you know, and on DVD. And then I thought, I,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: and when I read the back and realized how new
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: it was, I thought this had to have been old.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: You know, it seems like it has the feel it has.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: Um, and it, yeah, it, The only thing I can
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: think is that was also right about the time there
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: was a big push of anime in this country. And
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: there's still a lot of people that were not anime-friendly.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: They just did not like that. They didn't want the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: weird style that Japan was throwing on the animation. And
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of people thought that's what it was.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: I don't think they realized that it was... american made
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: and that it was a property you know pre-existing and
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: you said well i think it got swept up in
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: all that stuff and at the.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: Same time i feel like cell animation was kind of
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: going downhill because toy story had come out before that
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: basically you had this huge peak of cell animation like
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: beauty and the beast lad and lion king and then
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: suddenly here's toy story yeah and suddenly now this is
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: the new medium by which you can have you know
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: talking things and animation is through computer generation and suddenly
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  Speaker 6: it's like Well, no, here's a great film that's still
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  Speaker 6: cell animation.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was hopping on to CG.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, cell animation, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: In a boat at the time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's... It's why Warner Brothers got out
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  Speaker 4: of the business. They're like, well, we're not going to
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  Speaker 4: keep this division open. But they produced the.
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  Speaker 7: Best film they'd ever done.
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  Speaker 3: Vin Diesel's best performance. I was going to say, he
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  Speaker 3: will never make a movie. I wonder if he just
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: every day thinks, yeah, I'm never going to make a movie.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to go make seven.
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  Speaker 3: How hard I try.
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  Speaker 6: But one last one I'll mention, just because in a
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  Speaker 6: way of one of my favorite screenwriters, Terry Southern, something
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  Speaker 6: that I think is lost in the shuffle between Dr.
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  Speaker 6: Strangelove and Easy Rider is the loved one. I think
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  Speaker 6: just because That's a movie to where it's so ahead
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  Speaker 6: of its time and so bizarre that I don't think
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  Speaker 6: a lot of people look back on it, even though
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: it's got amazing performances by Jonathan Winters and pretty much
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  Speaker 6: the whole cast that's in it. But, I mean, you'll
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  Speaker 6: talk to people who are fans of all those films,
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  Speaker 6: and they've never even heard of it.
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  Speaker 4: I had heard rumors about it, and then one night,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was after Ted Turner bought the MGM library,
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  Speaker 4: he started showing stuff on his channels, and one night
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  Speaker 4: it was on TNT. And I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost John Waters. It is so edgy.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's my favorite Terry Southerner's script. It's just
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  Speaker 6: so much fun and just so bizarre. The whole scene
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  Speaker 6: where Rod Steiger is Mr. Joy Boy brings Miss Thanatogen
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  Speaker 6: home to meet his mother, Mrs. Joy Boy, and she's
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  Speaker 6: just sitting there eating the entire suckle pig and watching
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  Speaker 6: food commercials. It's like, God, this had to have gone
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  Speaker 6: over everybody's head in the 60s.
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  Speaker 4: For me, it was billed as the movie was something
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  Speaker 4: to offend everyone. I did.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, like one of the best kickers is right after, um,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: they break up and it's basically, um, if you've never
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: seen it before, it does for Hollywood entertainment and the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: funeral industry, what, um, Dr. Strangelove did for the cold war. And, um,
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  Speaker 6: there's just this fantastic scene. Uh, Rod Steiger is this
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  Speaker 6: very effeminate head and bomber.
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  Speaker 4: At this, uh, mortuary whispering glades.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Whispering glades. And, um, right after he and this thanatogenous breakup,
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  Speaker 6: I love the scene to where there's this body sent down.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, this is from Mr. Joy Boy, and she
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  Speaker 6: picks up this note on this corpse covered in a
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  Speaker 6: sheet that says, this is how I feel right now
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: because of you. And she uncovers the sheet, and he's
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: made up in this dead body with a really sad exaggeration.
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  Speaker 6: It's just such bizarre humor at the time.
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  Speaker 8: Sold.
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  Speaker 6: When they bring in.
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  Speaker 3: A sick film.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody walks up to Mr. Joy Boy, and they're like,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: we've got a mother-daughter suicide. Which one would you like?
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: And he's like, oh, I'll take the infant. And somebody
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: else is like, oh, Mr. Joyboy loves children.
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  Speaker 3: He grabs the baby. Yeah, he's just swooping around with
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: his dead baby.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 4: This is like, you know, this is about.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: 1962, I think.
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  Speaker 8: 65.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: It was the year right after Strange Love.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was right after 65.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just, you won't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: People must have flipped their shoes. Something like that.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: And it's a huge cast of very strange people. Liberace
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: plays a casket salesman. That's how I always describe it. Well,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: it's Liberace playing a casket salesman.
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  Speaker 3: Sold right there.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 7: That's how weird it is.
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  Speaker 9: It's amazing that you should mention that because I just
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 9: saw Candy for the first time yesterday and I had
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 9: no idea what I was getting myself into and was
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 9: blown away by it. It sounds like a very similar sensibility.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 12: Dark, dark.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's a novel by Yvonne Waugh, but I've never
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: read the book, but the movie is just through the roof. Weird, weird.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Alright, do we want to round it out with
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  Speaker 7: the big one? Which is, I only wanted to end
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: with this one because according to this, it is confirmed
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 7: by the Guinness Book of World Records as the biggest
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: financial disaster in all of movie history. Anybody have a guess?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Tron?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 9: 1995.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: Cutthroat Island. There's another one of those bringing way too
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: much baggage to a movie. Trying to also do a weird...
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 7: Switch on the... It's a feminist pirate movie, I guess.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: Just badly made by your lame husband. So, yeah, it
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  Speaker 7: lost close to $ 105 million.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of money.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: I have very, very vague memories of sitting through it
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: and dozing half the time at the drive-in, waiting for
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: whatever was coming on.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Last after it. Same here. I remember my parents watching
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: it on pay-per-view when it came out and I just
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: fell asleep.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: Lost enough to bankrupt Carol Kofischer, so.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just remember seeing the preview and Shay just like,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: nobody asked for this picture.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah. There were no pirate movies.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: And I love old pirate movies.
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  Speaker 3: We want Geena Davis as a pirate. Babe, that could
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: be awesome.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: What's this?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: Watch it.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: Could be. It's not, but.
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  Speaker 2: Not directed by her husband.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: Not directed by her husband.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: You just see how weird it gets, you know.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: It's just weird, yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: Where select couples are wielding so much power.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 7: And it just makes Matthew Mulvaney look bad. He could
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: have had a good career, and that killed it for him.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: He's still got the Dark Knight Rises.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: He's just now kind of recovering. It took a long
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: time for him to even get roles after that. Well,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 7: I think that should round this one out. But again,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: there's still plenty I'm sure we've missed, so we can
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 7: keep that for a sequel somewhere down the line. Otherwise,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: that about does it. We will return next week. Same
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  Speaker 7: geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 3: I never had a chance. I thought you cared for me.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 11: But now I.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 12: See I never had a chance. I....
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 11: Though you never told me so Somehow I know I
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 11: never had a.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 10: Chance I knew we'd have.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: To part For I could always.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 12: Reach your lips But.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 11: I could never.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 12: Reach your heart.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 11: My dream about romance ended in a friendly chat, but
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 11: more than that, I never.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 12: Had a chance. Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 10: Renny Harlan, the guy that directed Cutthroat Island.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 10: He's done nothing but stellar films.
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  Speaker 12: I mean.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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