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- 0:05Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Why do these two phrases
- 0:16Speaker 1: end up in one sentence? Beautiful baby girl and acetone poisoning?
- 0:25Speaker 1: What is acetone? It's fingernail polish remover. I first found
- 0:30Speaker 1: out about acetone when I was investigating and prosecuting arson
- 0:35Speaker 1: cases and fires were started with accelerants flammable liquids containing acetone.
- 0:45Speaker 1: It lights up like gas. Beautiful baby dead, fingernail polish. I'mansy, Grace,
- 0:56Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
- 0:59Speaker 1: here on Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven.
- 1:04Speaker 1: I am so angry I could chew a nail in half.
- 1:11Speaker 1: I want justice so badly when I think about my twins, John,
- 1:17Speaker 1: David and Lucy at eighteen months, the most beautiful, most innocent, tender, sweet,
- 1:31Speaker 1: the apple of my eye, the heart of my heart.
- 1:34Speaker 1: How in the h E double l does this? Beautiful
- 1:40Speaker 1: baby iris rita drink fingernail polish remover? And that is
- 1:50Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Let's start at the beginning. Listen.
- 1:57Speaker 2: Emergency responders arrive at the home of be Lee Kobe,
- 2:00Speaker 2: where he lives with his girlfriend, Alicia Owens. Upon arrival,
- 2:04Speaker 2: first responders find Jacobe's eighteen month old daughter breeding with
- 2:07Speaker 2: a fixed gaze and weak response, and transport Iris Alfara
- 2:11Speaker 2: to UPMC Jamison Hospital for treatment. The child is later
- 2:15Speaker 2: airlifted to UPMC Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh, about an hour away.
- 2:19Speaker 2: Four days later, eighteen month old iris Rita Alfara dies.
- 2:23Speaker 2: Her mysterious death shocks the community and the Newcastle Police
- 2:27Speaker 2: Department opens an investigation.
- 2:29Speaker 1: I have an all star panel to figure out what
- 2:34Speaker 1: happened to baby iris Rita. But first I'm going to
- 2:38Speaker 1: go to two very special guests joining us, Candace and
- 2:43Speaker 1: Frank Alfara. This is the grandma and the granddad of
- 2:48Speaker 1: baby Iris. Mister and miss Alfara. Thank you for being
- 2:53Speaker 1: with us. To you, oh, thank you, Miss Alfara. Do
- 2:58Speaker 1: you remember the moment that you learned baby iris Rita
- 3:05Speaker 1: was dead.
- 3:05Speaker 3: Yes, I was holding her hand in the hospital with
- 3:13Speaker 3: my daughter. We sat for four days, praying and praying
- 3:20Speaker 3: that she would open her eyes. If they said her
- 3:24Speaker 3: brain was too injured and her organs were selling and
- 3:29Speaker 3: there was no chance of her surviving.
- 3:34Speaker 4: My daughter, I.
- 3:36Speaker 3: Had to choose to stop life support.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Mister Alpharah, where were you at that moment? Frank?
- 3:44Speaker 4: I was right there too, in the hospital with her,
- 3:47Speaker 4: talking to her and trying to get at a respond
- 3:52Speaker 4: that I knew that she wasn't. She wasn't she was dead.
- 3:57Speaker 4: I knew it. I just just tried to get her
- 4:03Speaker 4: to respond and nothing happened.
- 4:07Speaker 3: We never left for four days, not for no, no,
- 4:12Speaker 3: we didn't.
- 4:13Speaker 1: You're reminding me of two moments in life. One standing
- 4:20Speaker 1: with my dad, holding on to him as he passed away,
- 4:25Speaker 1: and everyone was saying, you can go, feel free, go
- 4:30Speaker 1: to heaven, and I was literally whispering in his ear,
- 4:34Speaker 1: don't go, don't leave me. You can you can make
- 4:39Speaker 1: it comeback, you can do this. And then the horrible
- 4:44Speaker 1: time I couldn't be with my fiance when he was murdered,
- 4:49Speaker 1: and by the time I knew anything, it was over.
- 4:55Speaker 1: And I can't even decide which one was worse. But
- 4:57Speaker 1: I do know this, you are here. The distraught grandparents
- 5:04Speaker 1: of baby Iris reached to Alfara, who were there with
- 5:09Speaker 1: her when she died. This baby did not have to die.
- 5:14Speaker 1: This did not have to happen. The baby airlifted to
- 5:19Speaker 1: UPMC Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh. Doctors doing all they could do.
- 5:26Speaker 1: But what do we learn when doctors try to determine
- 5:30Speaker 1: why did baby Iris die Listen.
- 5:34Speaker 5: An autopsy was performed the day after Iris Alfara passes,
- 5:38Speaker 5: and the results are shocking. The cause of death of
- 5:40Speaker 5: eighteen month old Iris rita alphara acetone poisoning, which caused
- 5:45Speaker 5: the organ failure. Medical experts who examine the baby's body
- 5:48Speaker 5: conclude that the child was exposed to acetone just before
- 5:51Speaker 5: her hospitalization. Pennsylvania Attorney General Michelle Henry's office issued a
- 5:56Speaker 5: statement that the medical examiner determined that the child's death
- 5:59Speaker 5: was the result of fatal levels of acetone in her
- 6:02Speaker 5: blood at the time of death.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Joining us in addition to the grandparents of baby Iris,
- 6:09Speaker 1: Candice and Frank, who were with her four straight days
- 6:13Speaker 1: praying that Iris could rebound, holding her little body as
- 6:18Speaker 1: she passed on to heaven. Doctor William Marony, renowned expert
- 6:24Speaker 1: medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, author of American Narcan. Doctor Maroney,
- 6:32Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What is acetone?
- 6:35Speaker 6: Axotone is a solvent. It's used in a lot of
- 6:39Speaker 6: chemical processes and it's a metabolic byproduct. But there's one
- 6:44Speaker 6: thing we never have.
- 6:46Speaker 7: Axotone is never in food.
- 6:48Speaker 6: Acotone is never supposed to be ingested it's toxic.
- 6:54Speaker 7: It's neurotoxic.
- 6:56Speaker 6: It goes to the brain, it goes to the nerves,
- 6:59Speaker 6: it shut saw body functions, and it's so toxic that
- 7:03Speaker 6: we don't measure it in milligrams. We measure it in
- 7:08Speaker 6: parts per million because it can become toxic as a vapor,
- 7:15Speaker 6: so to drink a liquid is even worse. It's acute,
- 7:22Speaker 6: and it does damage that is irreversible and unlike a
- 7:26Speaker 6: poison that may be an opioid and you have a
- 7:30Speaker 6: reversal agent like narcan, there is no reversal agent, especially
- 7:37Speaker 6: in a delicate eighteen month old baby that still doesn't
- 7:42Speaker 6: have the functional vital capacity to repair like an adult.
- 7:48Speaker 7: It's neuro toxic.
- 7:51Speaker 6: It'll damage the heart, it'll damage eyes, it'll damage lungs,
- 7:56Speaker 6: it'll damage the liver, but it damages the brain.
- 8:00Speaker 1: For doctor Maroney, how many children do you have?
- 8:03Speaker 6: Well, five, but two biological. I have some other like
- 8:07Speaker 6: you know, adopted kind of.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Do you remember when they were eighteen months old? Oh yeah,
- 8:12Speaker 1: that was actually one of my favorite times with the twins.
- 8:15Speaker 1: They were learning. It took them longer to learn to
- 8:18Speaker 1: walk because they were so so so premature, but they
- 8:22Speaker 1: were learning to walk and Lucy would crawl on one
- 8:27Speaker 1: leg and drag the other leg to her side. She
- 8:30Speaker 1: kind of went sideways like a crab. And at eighteen months,
- 8:33Speaker 1: we were teaching them to walk, and it was one
- 8:37Speaker 1: of the most wonderful times of my life. Candaceel Ferrah
- 8:43Speaker 1: tell me about Iris at eighteen months.
- 8:46Speaker 3: At eighteen months, Iris's mama todd her spine language because
- 8:56Speaker 3: she talked a lot. She said a lot of words
- 8:59Speaker 3: that she'd have sentences yet, so Iris knew any sign
- 9:04Speaker 3: language that there was to know her mother was so amazing.
- 9:10Speaker 3: I used to tell my daughter how proud I was
- 9:13Speaker 3: of her for being the best mother. I could imagine
- 9:19Speaker 3: she'd sit with that baby and she'd tell her cookie cookie,
- 9:24Speaker 3: and she would do the sign language for it, and
- 9:27Speaker 3: that baby picked up on everything. I have a video
- 9:32Speaker 3: of her walking towards her mother at Christmas. She was
- 9:37Speaker 3: opening gifts. She saw Santa's cookies since she was going
- 9:40Speaker 3: to bite one and em didn't want her to eat it.
- 9:44Speaker 3: So she's walking towards her mom and she's signing to
- 9:47Speaker 3: her mother.
- 9:48Speaker 1: Al my Stars Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know,
- 10:07Speaker 1: I'm curious about something, Doctor William Moroney said, renown medical examiner.
- 10:11Speaker 1: You said that acetone is toxic even as a vapor,
- 10:16Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about something, doctor Moroney. I usually don't
- 10:20Speaker 1: do my nails, okay, because when I was a child lawyer,
- 10:24Speaker 1: I thought that was too flashy to have long painted
- 10:29Speaker 1: nails in front of a jury. And I know, call
- 10:32Speaker 1: it crazy, but that's what I thought. But I've been
- 10:36Speaker 1: in nail salon's and there have been times I've had
- 10:38Speaker 1: to actually leave because I felt like I couldn't breathe right,
- 10:43Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if that's acetone or like when you
- 10:45Speaker 1: take off if I take off Lucy's fingernail polish my daughter.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to step back from it because it's
- 10:52Speaker 1: so overwhelming to me.
- 10:56Speaker 6: Yes, and neurotoxic accumulate because it doesn't exit the body
- 11:02Speaker 6: right away, and it does your thinking and the brain
- 11:07Speaker 6: controls how you breathe, so it stops normal breathing and heartbeats,
- 11:14Speaker 6: but it damages the brain at a level that you
- 11:18Speaker 6: can understand if I had to give a different example,
- 11:21Speaker 6: if you took a gallon of Ever Clearer vodka and
- 11:25Speaker 6: forced that a one year old, that's the amount of
- 11:28Speaker 6: damage from alcohol. The damage from acetone. It's the same thing.
- 11:33Speaker 1: What led up to this? Take a listen to our
- 11:36Speaker 1: friends at crimeonline dot Com.
- 11:38Speaker 8: During a weekend visitation at her father's house, Bailey Jacoby
- 11:42Speaker 8: goes to the grocery store, leaving Iris with his living girlfriend,
- 11:46Speaker 8: Alicia Owens. As he is preparing to check out at
- 11:50Speaker 8: the grocery store, Alicia Owens calls to Kobe and tells
- 11:53Speaker 8: him that something is wrong with Iris. She isn't acting
- 11:57Speaker 8: like herself. She is unresponsive. Kobe tells Owens to call
- 12:01Speaker 8: nine one one, and he rushes out of the grocery store,
- 12:04Speaker 8: leaving his groceries at the checkout line.
- 12:07Speaker 9: Owens was feeding Iris and the baby appeared to have
- 12:09Speaker 9: cramped up and fell off the bed. She said she
- 12:12Speaker 9: was in nursing training and she tried to perform chess compressions.
- 12:15Speaker 9: She called Jacoby and he told her to call nine
- 12:17Speaker 9: one one.
- 12:18Speaker 1: Joining us now is Alexis tereschut. Crime online dot Com
- 12:21Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis, Wait a minute, are you telling me
- 12:25Speaker 1: the live in Alicia Owens is in nurse training. Yeah,
- 12:30Speaker 1: but I don't understand Alexis to reest shut because if
- 12:33Speaker 1: she is in nursing training and the baby cramps up
- 12:37Speaker 1: and falls off the bed and is unresponsive. Why does
- 12:41Speaker 1: she have to call the boyfriend to have him tell
- 12:44Speaker 1: her to call nine one one?
- 12:46Speaker 10: So she was only the mattress where she fell off
- 12:48Speaker 10: the bed, It was only six inches off the floor.
- 12:51Speaker 10: And then she said she started doing chess compressions because
- 12:54Speaker 10: the baby wasn't breathing. So then she panished and called
- 12:57Speaker 10: the baby's father and that he's the one that told her.
- 13:01Speaker 10: So she didn't even think to call nine on one.
- 13:04Speaker 10: She called him first.
- 13:05Speaker 1: That just right there doesn't make sense to me. Larry
- 13:08Speaker 1: for Letta is joining us from Newcastle private investigator founder
- 13:14Speaker 1: off for Letta Investigative Security Consulting. You can find them
- 13:17Speaker 1: online at fc I SLLC for Letta Investigative Security Consulting.
- 13:25Speaker 1: Former law enforcement Larry right there, if she is training
- 13:28Speaker 1: to be a nurse, the first thing you do is
- 13:31Speaker 1: called nine one one. I wouldn't try to hunt down
- 13:34Speaker 1: days and go, wow, what do you think I should do?
- 13:37Speaker 1: My baby's unresponsive and she fell off the bed. What
- 13:43Speaker 1: do you think?
- 13:44Speaker 4: Oh?
- 13:44Speaker 1: Hell none? You call nine one one right? Then?
- 13:46Speaker 4: That is so strong, so bad that the baby didn't
- 13:52Speaker 4: have a chance from right right then as soon as
- 13:54Speaker 4: she ingested it.
- 13:55Speaker 1: Jarrett Farentino, homicide prosecutor in Pennsylvania jurisdiction. You can find
- 14:02Speaker 1: him at Jarrettfarentino dot com. He's the host of True
- 14:05Speaker 1: Crime Boss podcast. Jared, thank you for being with us.
- 14:09Speaker 1: I've prosecuted a lot of cases where children have been killed.
- 14:15Speaker 1: A lot of times. We've seen cases where children pick
- 14:18Speaker 1: something up and eat it. How many times do we have, Oh,
- 14:22Speaker 1: this child picked up a pot brownie at school and
- 14:25Speaker 1: ate it, or this or that. I find it really
- 14:28Speaker 1: hard to believe that an eighteen month old is a
- 14:32Speaker 1: going to get access to something like fingernail polish that's
- 14:35Speaker 1: supposed to be out of their reach. But b even
- 14:37Speaker 1: if they get it, they're gonna not only take a
- 14:40Speaker 1: sent but continue drinking it. It kind of taste horrible.
- 14:43Speaker 11: Nancy, this is a highly suspicious situation. A child of
- 14:47Speaker 11: eighteen months would certainly reject acetone and just to be
- 14:52Speaker 11: exposed at that level, this would certainly jump right out
- 14:57Speaker 11: at the medical treaters. And it's highly vicious, and the
- 15:00Speaker 11: explanation and the description given to this point would really
- 15:05Speaker 11: draw these suspicions of the treaters at this point.
- 15:07Speaker 1: Alexis, tereschak, you're raising a wonderful little boy. And I
- 15:13Speaker 1: discussed this with you. When it happened is before you
- 15:17Speaker 1: had your baby. I was giving John David a bath
- 15:21Speaker 1: and I turned around. I had him laying on the
- 15:24Speaker 1: bed to put lotion on him. I turned around to
- 15:26Speaker 1: get a towel. He fell off the bed and it
- 15:28Speaker 1: was high up. It was a good two feet off
- 15:31Speaker 1: the ground or three. And I did not call David
- 15:35Speaker 1: and say, wow, what should I do? I mean, John
- 15:38Speaker 1: David cried for a minute, then he acted normal. I
- 15:41Speaker 1: picked him up, wrapped him up in a towel, butt naked,
- 15:44Speaker 1: and ran ran out onto the street at somewhere along
- 15:49Speaker 1: First Avenue and started screaming for a cab. All right,
- 15:53Speaker 1: went straight to the doctor. I did not learn my lesson, Alexis.
- 15:57Speaker 1: About three weeks later, I did the same thing. I
- 16:00Speaker 1: turned around one minute to get the lotion for Lucy.
- 16:03Speaker 1: She fell off the bed, same scenario. My point is,
- 16:06Speaker 1: it's not making sense to me. I don't believe a
- 16:09Speaker 1: baby it might pick something up and take a bite,
- 16:12Speaker 1: but if it tastes bad, they'll just spit it out.
- 16:14Speaker 1: They won't keep drinking, chugging, then you know polish remover.
- 16:19Speaker 10: No, you can't even get a baby eat broccoli, much
- 16:22Speaker 10: less drink. See you nail polish Removerhe this is absolutely
- 16:26Speaker 10: not the truth about how this child ingested the poison.
- 16:29Speaker 1: And this is what is really Okay, it's all upsetting,
- 16:34Speaker 1: but this, this is gonna blow your head off. There
- 16:40Speaker 1: were warning signs. Listen to Dave mac crime online dot com.
- 16:47Speaker 5: Iris Rita Alfara is a bubbly active toddler. She loves
- 16:51Speaker 5: watching Miss Rachel on YouTube and has even learned some
- 16:54Speaker 5: sign language while watching the program. When iris mother me Emily,
- 16:58Speaker 5: is changing her diver see some water beads and gets concerned.
- 17:02Speaker 5: Emily takes Iris to the hospital, where doctors watch over
- 17:05Speaker 5: the little girl. Over the next few days, she passes
- 17:08Speaker 5: about twenty water beads. She also passes three button shaped
- 17:12Speaker 5: batteries and a metal screw. After four days, Emily is
- 17:15Speaker 5: able to take Iris home.
- 17:17Speaker 1: What is a water bead? Who knows? What is a
- 17:19Speaker 1: water bead? Anybody jump in? What is a water bead?
- 17:22Speaker 4: It's a little thing that kids play with. They're really small.
- 17:27Speaker 4: They start out about the size of your finger nail.
- 17:30Speaker 4: But then when they hit water, they expand, and she
- 17:37Speaker 4: probably wanted her to hurt her and her digestive system
- 17:41Speaker 4: when they all expanded, but the baby passed them out.
- 17:46Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a minute. I'm looking them up
- 17:48Speaker 1: right now. Water beads. What do you do with them, Alexis.
- 17:52Speaker 10: You play with them in the bathtub. You put your
- 17:54Speaker 10: baby in the bathroom. My son loved them.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Wait, they look like the baby would want to eat them.
- 18:00Speaker 10: Well, I think, to me, eighteen months is too young
- 18:02Speaker 10: for them, It really, really is.
- 18:04Speaker 1: I mean, they look like candy. They kind of look
- 18:07Speaker 1: like grapes.
- 18:07Speaker 10: They do exactly. They look like candy. But you put
- 18:11Speaker 10: them in the water and they play, and you're right there,
- 18:14Speaker 10: you sit there in the back. You never let your
- 18:16Speaker 10: child be alone in the bathtub.
- 18:17Speaker 1: I think that's a bad idea. I'm just putting it
- 18:19Speaker 1: out there about water beads. Come on, doctor Maroney, back
- 18:22Speaker 1: me up on this. They're tempting. They look like something yummy.
- 18:26Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I would never give an eighteen month
- 18:28Speaker 4: old water beads. Oh no, she SAIDs would be too young,
- 18:32Speaker 4: eighteen months old to play with, even if you're standing
- 18:35Speaker 4: even if you're standing there watching her.
- 18:37Speaker 1: Agree Elysis Reshak, I understand twenty water beads. She poopied
- 18:43Speaker 1: twenty water beads and three batteries and a metal screw
- 18:50Speaker 1: that I get that.
- 18:50Speaker 4: Right, exactly right.
- 18:52Speaker 10: The water beads, well, okay, so water beads are going
- 18:55Speaker 10: to be soft, right, they're like little jell as you said,
- 18:56Speaker 10: they're like a grape. A battery, even if it's little,
- 19:00Speaker 10: is hard. She's a tiny child. This is not something
- 19:03Speaker 10: that she would have just picked up off the ground
- 19:07Speaker 10: and eaten on her own and then thought, let me
- 19:10Speaker 10: have another battery.
- 19:11Speaker 3: Those were so tasty.
- 19:12Speaker 10: This is not something that she would have done organically.
- 19:15Speaker 10: And all these are hard substances.
- 19:17Speaker 1: Candace Alfara, how big was the screw that Iris passed?
- 19:23Speaker 1: It was a.
- 19:25Speaker 3: Little like attacking screw? What attacking screw.
- 19:31Speaker 1: Doctor William Roney? Attacking screw? What could that and batteries
- 19:37Speaker 1: do to a child? Now? I understand the water beads
- 19:41Speaker 1: are full of water, so unless you choke on it,
- 19:45Speaker 1: it's not going to kill you. But what does all
- 19:47Speaker 1: this do to the baby's system?
- 19:49Speaker 7: What's really important is that batteries contain heavy metals and acids,
- 19:56Speaker 7: and it would eat away inside and cause erosion in
- 20:01Speaker 7: the gi track and internal bleeding. That's the exact same
- 20:05Speaker 7: thing a screw would do. They're trying to cause bleeding
- 20:11Speaker 7: inside the baby and toxic elements from a battery inside
- 20:16Speaker 7: the baby. That's some kind of homicide by proxy or something.
- 20:21Speaker 1: Guys, right there, right there, don't you agree, you're at Farantino.
- 20:28Speaker 1: There should have been a major investigation about why the
- 20:32Speaker 1: baby is eating water, beads and screws. I mean, even
- 20:38Speaker 1: if no one fed that to her, still there's something
- 20:41Speaker 1: very wrong that she's getting access to this kind of
- 20:44Speaker 1: material and can ingest it.
- 20:46Speaker 11: Nancy, any one of these items, the or beat, water beats,
- 20:51Speaker 11: the screw, or the button sized battery should trigger the
- 20:54Speaker 11: suspicions of the medical providers when Emily discovered them in
- 20:59Speaker 11: her diape. All three together, there is no natural explanation
- 21:04Speaker 11: for why these would end up in Iris's digestional track
- 21:09Speaker 11: and her diaper. It's just absolutely should have spawned an
- 21:12Speaker 11: investigation and the suspicions of everyone and Nancy.
- 21:15Speaker 4: Hospital staff.
- 21:16Speaker 12: They are mandated reporters, you know, the nurses, the doctors
- 21:22Speaker 12: in person that in a hospital room and came into
- 21:26Speaker 12: contact with that baby was a mandated reporter. So I'm
- 21:29Speaker 12: curious was a child abuse report filed at that time?
- 21:33Speaker 12: Because hospitals, especially children's hospital, they are very used to
- 21:38Speaker 12: filing reports. Excuse me, they are very used to filing
- 21:41Speaker 12: reports because they see child abuse cases all the time.
- 21:45Speaker 12: So I'm wondering what happened at this point with in
- 21:48Speaker 12: terms of filing.
- 21:49Speaker 1: I'm wondering that too. You're hearing doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned
- 21:52Speaker 1: psycho analysts, joining us out of LA. You can find
- 21:56Speaker 1: her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. So I'm curious and
- 22:00Speaker 1: everybody about those water beads. Remember one of you mentioned
- 22:03Speaker 1: at the beginning, I think it was you, Alexis They expand,
- 22:07Speaker 1: so you swallow one, it expands in your body. I
- 22:12Speaker 1: can't imagine this child having swallowed twenty of these things
- 22:17Speaker 1: and nobody noticed. Then batteries, then a screw. So what happened? Listen?
- 22:24Speaker 2: After the incident with Iris ingesting waterbeads, batteries, and a screw,
- 22:28Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Child Youth Services CYS inspects the home of both
- 22:32Speaker 2: parents and, according to Newsweek, finds no issue at either residence.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Iris lives with her mother full time, but she continues
- 22:39Speaker 2: to visit her dad at his house where Bailey Jacobi
- 22:42Speaker 2: lives with his girlfriend, Alicia Linney Owens.
- 22:45Speaker 1: Okay, back to the grandparents, Candice and Frank Alfara, missus Alfara,
- 22:50Speaker 1: when she had ingested water beads batteries at a screw.
- 22:56Speaker 1: Who had she been with?
- 22:58Speaker 3: She was with her father Wednesday night and she started
- 23:02Speaker 3: parenting them Thursday afternoon.
- 23:05Speaker 1: Okay, and yet what do they do? They send the baby,
- 23:10Speaker 1: this beautiful defenseless baby Iris right back to the home
- 23:16Speaker 1: with the dad and the live in. I'll slung up
- 23:19Speaker 1: with him and she dies. Where the chl is the investigation?
- 23:28Speaker 1: What happened to Deepak's department, Family Children's Services or CPS
- 23:31Speaker 1: CHOPD Protective Services? Why did they send her right back
- 23:36Speaker 1: into the lions den? And now she's dead. It's not
- 23:41Speaker 1: the first time does the name Josh Powell ring a bell?
- 23:48Speaker 1: Because I will never forget it. Take a listen to
- 23:51Speaker 1: the social worker that led his two children right up
- 23:58Speaker 1: to his front door before they were murdered by an
- 24:02Speaker 1: axe and the house blew up. Everybody knew he had
- 24:07Speaker 1: killed his wife, Susan Cox killed her, never found a body.
- 24:11Speaker 1: So what does defects. Do oh, they make sure the
- 24:14Speaker 1: children go right back to daddy. Listen to this nine
- 24:17Speaker 1: to one one call and don't feel sorry for the defects. Worker.
- 24:21Speaker 1: Listen and I'd like to pull out of that driveway
- 24:24Speaker 1: to think now gat bleen and he won't let me in.
- 24:28Speaker 4: Do you want to pull out at the driveway because
- 24:29Speaker 4: you smell gat kleene?
- 24:30Speaker 11: But he won't let you.
- 24:31Speaker 1: He won't let me in.
- 24:34Speaker 13: He won't let you out of the driveway.
- 24:36Speaker 1: He won't let me in the house.
- 24:38Speaker 10: Get in the house, and he won't let me in to
- 24:40Speaker 10: pervide it?
- 24:43Speaker 1: Did Josh Powell?
- 24:46Speaker 4: Okay, you don't live there right now?
- 24:48Speaker 3: I don't you know.
- 24:49Speaker 10: I'm taking to provide to provide pication.
- 24:54Speaker 11: Okay, okay, so you're supposed to be there to sup
- 24:57Speaker 11: pervide Josh Powell with the children.
- 24:59Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crap, and hit the knitting and Powell how
- 25:06Speaker 4: did he the high profile ca? How did he?
- 25:09Speaker 5: How did he to the children?
- 25:14Speaker 3: I would wind step and back of them, walk you out?
- 25:20Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, cut the door right in my cap.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Yeah I smell gas. So let me save my own
- 25:28Speaker 1: sorry skin and get out of here. Even though I
- 25:32Speaker 1: know two helpless little boys are in there with him,
- 25:35Speaker 1: where I smell gas. She even says, this is a
- 25:38Speaker 1: high profile case. You darn right, So what was she thinking?
- 25:42Speaker 1: Let me go ahead, screw this thing up, and I'll
- 25:44Speaker 1: leave and leave them in there, and there's more. Listen,
- 25:49Speaker 1: you don't want to stop it, Sidney. I can't stand
- 26:04Speaker 1: to even hear her voice. She's in the driveway talking
- 26:08Speaker 1: about saving herself, and the house explodes. When the two
- 26:13Speaker 1: little boys are found, their necks have been chopped with
- 26:15Speaker 1: an axe, and practically all the evidence is destroyed. Yeah,
- 26:23Speaker 1: Defects did a great job on that one. And what
- 26:25Speaker 1: about little Harmony Montgomery? Do you remember Harmony? Because I
- 26:31Speaker 1: sure do. Harmony Montgomery had been abused and mistreated. Her
- 26:36Speaker 1: mom deserted her, and she was with her father who
- 26:40Speaker 1: abused her. Even her biological uncle called and reported to
- 26:46Speaker 1: Defects he had seen her with a black eye. What happened?
- 26:54Speaker 1: She disappeared. All that's been left found of her is
- 26:59Speaker 1: sometime of a gooey substance that was found where her
- 27:04Speaker 1: body was decomposing. We managed to match up DNA. Take
- 27:09Speaker 1: a listen to Dave mac in twenty four from Crime Online.
- 27:13Speaker 5: Harmony Montgomery was placed in the custody of the Department
- 27:16Speaker 5: of Child and Families in twenty fourteen, when she was
- 27:18Speaker 5: two months old. She remained in the custody of DCF
- 27:22Speaker 5: until February of twenty nineteen, when Harmony's father, Adam Montgomery,
- 27:25Speaker 5: was awarded custody by the Juvenile Court of Massachusetts. Harmony
- 27:29Speaker 5: Montgomery was last seen by her biological mother, Crystal Story,
- 27:33Speaker 5: Easter twenty nineteen, after the video called with Harmony. Her
- 27:36Speaker 5: mother says Adam Montgomery blocked all contact with her. In
- 27:39Speaker 5: November twenty twenty one, Crystal Story calls police and tells
- 27:42Speaker 5: them about Harmony and how she can't find her. Police
- 27:45Speaker 5: try and make contact, failing that, DCF is called. Even
- 27:49Speaker 5: though Harmony Montgomery had been in and out of foster
- 27:52Speaker 5: care for most of her short life, a judge placed
- 27:55Speaker 5: her with her father, and now nobody, including DCF, seems
- 27:59Speaker 5: to know why happened to her or where she is.
- 28:02Speaker 1: Because she was murdered by her father after CPS put
- 28:06Speaker 1: her back in the custody off her father. And I've
- 28:09Speaker 1: got so many pages of cases for little babies. Children
- 28:14Speaker 1: are given back to their abusers and then die. I
- 28:17Speaker 1: mean this child has twenty water beads, batteries and screws
- 28:21Speaker 1: coming out of her rear end. How hard do you
- 28:23Speaker 1: think that was for this little girl to pass all that?
- 28:27Speaker 1: But yet where do they send her straight back to?
- 28:31Speaker 1: As I said, the lions den listen to this.
- 28:35Speaker 8: Police obtained the cell phones of Owen's and Jacoby. Forensic
- 28:39Speaker 8: extractions of Owen's cell phone show she searched online for
- 28:44Speaker 8: topics such as if your child drinks a lot of
- 28:47Speaker 8: nail polish, remover, what happens? And what happens if a
- 28:51Speaker 8: baby eats nail polish? And how many cases have there
- 28:55Speaker 8: been from babies dying from eating nail polish? Another sir
- 29:00Speaker 8: on Owen's phone was in how many cases have kids
- 29:03Speaker 8: died from eating water beads? Water beads, harmful water beads
- 29:08Speaker 8: near me? And beauty products that are poisonous to kids.
- 29:12Speaker 8: According to the Newcastle News, those searches were a month
- 29:16Speaker 8: before Iris was hospitalized from the water beads.
- 29:20Speaker 1: If these searches had been done after baby Iris went
- 29:23Speaker 1: to the doctor, they might be a little more understandable,
- 29:27Speaker 1: but they were all ahead of time. Jarrett Fiorentino, this woman,
- 29:32Speaker 1: this living girlfriend, nursing training. According to her, might as
- 29:36Speaker 1: well take out a billboard on Third Avenue and say
- 29:38Speaker 1: I murdered a baby.
- 29:40Speaker 11: These I hear nothing more than intent. Nancy just lying
- 29:44Speaker 11: in wait planning the horrific these searches. When you consider
- 29:48Speaker 11: it happened to baby Iris, It's so much information is
- 29:52Speaker 11: gleaned from reviewing these cell phones. And as you said,
- 29:57Speaker 11: if these were after the fact, she could be looking
- 30:00Speaker 11: for answers as far as what happened Iris there before
- 30:03Speaker 11: it's before she passed these items, and clearly it's after
- 30:07Speaker 11: she administered these items to the baby.
- 30:10Speaker 1: You know, to Candice Alfarah and Frank Alfara. These are
- 30:14Speaker 1: Iris's maternal grandparents who treated Iris as their baby just
- 30:21Speaker 1: eighteen months old. What went through your mind, missus Alfara,
- 30:27Speaker 1: when you found out about the girlfriend's Google searches.
- 30:33Speaker 3: My heart was broken that anybody could do that to
- 30:37Speaker 3: a baby, let alone our baby. I never ever thought
- 30:44Speaker 3: that we would be living without her. I had so
- 30:48Speaker 3: much hate, so much hate.
- 30:51Speaker 1: When I look at these texts, I mean, these searches.
- 30:54Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I want you to hear more of
- 30:58Speaker 1: the girlfriend. This is Alicia Owen's Internet searches. Listen to
- 31:03Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner Crime Online.
- 31:06Speaker 2: The investigation into Alicia Owen's cell phone reveals that before
- 31:10Speaker 2: Iris was hospitalized, Owen searched for symptoms of swallowing a battery.
- 31:14Speaker 2: What happens if a baby swallows a battery? And Mom
- 31:17Speaker 2: Warren's parents dangers of water beads. Then over the weekend,
- 31:22Speaker 2: Iris visited her father and later passed the water beads
- 31:25Speaker 2: and batteries. At her mother's home, Owen searched medications that
- 31:29Speaker 2: can be poisoning a child.
- 31:30Speaker 1: Think about it, doctor Bethany, think about these searches. If
- 31:34Speaker 1: your child drinks a lot of nail polish remover, what happens?
- 31:39Speaker 1: What happens if a baby eats nail polish. How many
- 31:43Speaker 1: cases have their band from babies dying from eating nail polish?
- 31:47Speaker 12: Nancy that you know, I just think about what little
- 31:51Speaker 12: baby Iris suffered when she was in the care of
- 31:54Speaker 12: this woman. Because what we're seeing is, you know, the
- 31:57Speaker 12: waterbeats that were ingested, the screws, the backas. But what
- 32:01Speaker 12: we're not really able to wrap our mind around is
- 32:05Speaker 12: other forms of maltreatment.
- 32:07Speaker 3: What did she feed the baby, how did she hold
- 32:10Speaker 3: the baby?
- 32:10Speaker 12: What did the baby have nutrition? Did she hit the baby?
- 32:14Speaker 12: Did she, you know, drop the baby purposely on the floor.
- 32:17Speaker 12: I mean, these are just the forms of abuse that
- 32:20Speaker 12: are measurable, but as we all know, there are forms
- 32:24Speaker 12: of child abuse that are not measurable and that we
- 32:27Speaker 12: can't even fathom. So, you know, an eighteen month old
- 32:31Speaker 12: is sentient, is emotional loves of people around them. You know,
- 32:36Speaker 12: thinks of all adults as lovable, lovable figures, wants to
- 32:40Speaker 12: be held. And yet she was with this monster who
- 32:43Speaker 12: was doing inflicting all kinds of harm. It just makes
- 32:48Speaker 12: me shudder to think of what was happening in that household.
- 32:51Speaker 1: And of course you're a farantina. While a polygraph is
- 32:54Speaker 1: typically not allowed it to evidence at a criminal trial,
- 33:00Speaker 1: of searches about how to beat a polygraph absolutely are admissible.
- 33:06Speaker 1: Listen to Rachelbania crimeonline dot com.
- 33:09Speaker 9: During the days Iris Alfara was in the hospital, as
- 33:12Speaker 9: well as the day after she passes away, investigators discover
- 33:16Speaker 9: numerous online searches conducted on Alicia Owens's phone for information
- 33:20Speaker 9: on how to pass a polygraph test.
- 33:22Speaker 1: Back to Candice and Frank Alfhira, Mister Alfhira, thank you,
- 33:27Speaker 1: again for being with us. Uh huh When you found
- 33:30Speaker 1: out about these internet searches? What went through your mind?
- 33:35Speaker 4: I just couldn't believe that she could do that. I mean,
- 33:39Speaker 4: like I said, it's bad enough to search something like that,
- 33:43Speaker 4: but to actually go through it and do it to
- 33:46Speaker 4: that poor little, innocent baby. I just I don't know.
- 33:52Speaker 4: I can't explain. It's just hard. It's just real hard.
- 33:55Speaker 1: Did you, guys, ever meet the girlfriend before this incident?
- 34:00Speaker 4: No, not really.
- 34:03Speaker 3: My daughter asked him if she could meet her. She said,
- 34:07Speaker 3: you know, because she was going to be with her daughter,
- 34:09Speaker 3: that she would like to have a meeting and sit
- 34:12Speaker 3: down and talk to her. And he refused, and Emily said,
- 34:18Speaker 3: just please don't leave Iris with her, because she's young
- 34:21Speaker 3: and it's not her baby. She won't have the patience
- 34:25Speaker 3: that I have or you have. And he left the baby.
- 34:29Speaker 1: He left the baby with the live in guys, it's
- 34:34Speaker 1: not just the ingestion of fingernail pause, remover batteries and
- 34:40Speaker 1: a screw. It's so much more than that that was
- 34:44Speaker 1: done to this little baby, Iris. Take a listen to
- 34:48Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online.
- 34:50Speaker 2: Doctors at UPMC Children's Child Advocacy Center are reported to
- 34:54Speaker 2: police that Iris suffered a subdural hematoma and bilateral retinal hemorrhages.
- 34:59Speaker 2: It was also determined acetone was present in her blood
- 35:02Speaker 2: and her body was found in organ failure. The Newcastle
- 35:05Speaker 2: News reports One doctor indicated the injuries occurred during the
- 35:08Speaker 2: weekend while Iris was in the custody of Owens and Jacoby.
- 35:12Speaker 2: Another physician indicated that because of the nature and severity
- 35:15Speaker 2: of the baby's condition, any reasonable caretaker would have recognized
- 35:19Speaker 2: significant alterations with Iris's cognition and function immediately after the
- 35:24Speaker 2: event that caused the injuries. Owens and Jacoby told police
- 35:28Speaker 2: Iris had vomited a few times, but otherwise seemed normal.
- 35:43Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace doctor William Maroney joining US
- 35:49Speaker 1: pre eminent medical examiner and toxicologist doctor Moroney. What does
- 35:55Speaker 1: all that mean? Subdural hematoma, bilateral retinal hemorrhages, organ failure,
- 36:02Speaker 1: high levels of acetone? What does all this mean?
- 36:06Speaker 7: What it means is that acetone was the least of
- 36:10Speaker 7: her problems. That baby was shaken and had its head
- 36:16Speaker 7: slammed into a table or slammed into a wall.
- 36:20Speaker 11: That baby has a brain bleed.
- 36:24Speaker 7: An organized red cell platelets, brain bleed just like a
- 36:29Speaker 7: car accident hitting a windshield, but it had its hands
- 36:35Speaker 7: and against furniture or a wall. There's multiple layers of
- 36:42Speaker 7: fatal incidents here.
- 36:44Speaker 4: This is demonic.
- 36:45Speaker 1: Larry for Letta, a private investigator and founder for Letta
- 36:49Speaker 1: Investigative Security Consulting. Larry, how would you go about proving
- 36:55Speaker 1: this case? I mean, we've got the internet searches. What
- 36:58Speaker 1: else would you look for?
- 37:00Speaker 13: You look at motive, what was behind this? I think
- 37:03Speaker 13: it's clear this was premeditated. All the researches that she
- 37:09Speaker 13: did on the internet, and the one thing about acetone
- 37:13Speaker 13: that I wanted to add as a retired dagent. Acetone
- 37:18Speaker 13: is commonly used to make It's one of the ingredients
- 37:21Speaker 13: that makes meth amphetamine. So it is a volatile substance
- 37:25Speaker 13: and it's extremely dangerous and that's why a lot of
- 37:28Speaker 13: times that meth labs blow up. So it's that dangerous
- 37:35Speaker 13: even handling this type of product.
- 37:37Speaker 1: So it's acetone acause, Larry, and all the years I prosecuted,
- 37:41Speaker 1: we'd hear about a house blowing just blowing up spontaneously.
- 37:44Speaker 1: We're like, some others said, do you think they had
- 37:46Speaker 1: a gas lik I'm like, no, they were cooking up
- 37:48Speaker 1: meth and it blew up. So acetone is what makes
- 37:51Speaker 1: the house blow up.
- 37:52Speaker 13: It's part of it's part of the chemical process that
- 37:56Speaker 13: the drug traffickers use and added with some other ingredients
- 38:02Speaker 13: is like free armed phosphorus. Uh, it becomes very volatile.
- 38:06Speaker 13: And that's the danger of acetism besides the you know
- 38:12Speaker 13: what effected it has in Justine because you'll see a
- 38:16Speaker 13: lot of the nothing ampelmine users actually have you know,
- 38:20Speaker 13: sores on the outer part of their faces, and it's
- 38:24Speaker 13: just it's really devastating to a human body.
- 38:27Speaker 1: Did you if Hearantino? Of course, the state never has
- 38:30Speaker 1: to prove the motive, but a jury is gonna want
- 38:33Speaker 1: to know why would the living girlfriend, daddy's girlfriend do
- 38:38Speaker 1: this to the baby?
- 38:40Speaker 11: Nancy. I've seen this and I know you've seen it.
- 38:42Speaker 11: It's jealousy. It's another little woman in her boyfriend's life.
- 38:47Speaker 11: It's a constant reminder of Emily, Jacobe's X and Iris's mommy.
- 38:53Speaker 11: I mean, that's that's what this is about. It's total
- 38:56Speaker 11: jealousy and selfishness. And and that's where we've seen these
- 39:01Speaker 11: kinds of cases in the past. This woman would rather
- 39:05Speaker 11: see Iris out of the picture so she could move
- 39:09Speaker 11: forward with her relationship as the only woman in Jacoby's life.
- 39:13Speaker 1: Kenna Alfarah Frank Alfarah, is this true? Why with the
- 39:18Speaker 1: girlfriend Daddy's girlfriend hate baby Irish so much? Miss Alfara?
- 39:24Speaker 3: She was so jealous of Emily and the relationship they
- 39:29Speaker 3: had as co parody. They were wonderful together. I will
- 39:34Speaker 3: say that she would call him if he wanted the
- 39:38Speaker 3: baby on a day that he wasn't supposed to have her.
- 39:42Speaker 3: Emily said here. If Emily wanted the baby early for something,
- 39:46Speaker 3: he would say, come get her. They were wonderful together
- 39:51Speaker 3: co parenting, and she was so jealous that she turned
- 39:56Speaker 3: him against Emily. Then the baby was in the world.
- 40:00Speaker 3: Once she got rid of Emily and made Bailey and
- 40:04Speaker 3: m separate completely as co parents, she had to get
- 40:09Speaker 3: rid of Iris, That's what I said.
- 40:11Speaker 4: The baby was a wedge between those two and she
- 40:15Speaker 4: was just jealous and she had it to get rid
- 40:17Speaker 4: of the baby, and that's what she did.
- 40:20Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, have you ever seen jealousy manifest like this?
- 40:26Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, Unfortunately I have, and sadly, you know,
- 40:30Speaker 12: even in my Beverly Hills office with very wealthy, affluent families.
- 40:36Speaker 12: Once there's a divorce and once a child is shared
- 40:40Speaker 12: back and forth between households, all kinds of negative emotions
- 40:44Speaker 12: began to intrude. And I think one of the most
- 40:46Speaker 12: difficult things for mothers when their babies go back and
- 40:51Speaker 12: forth between households is the thought that another their child,
- 40:58Speaker 12: and they always want to meet the other woman. They
- 41:01Speaker 12: want to make sure that the baby is safe. They
- 41:03Speaker 12: want to know, you know, who is this person, Well,
- 41:07Speaker 12: my baby is interested in that person's care. But then
- 41:10Speaker 12: then when envy and jealousy began to get intruded into
- 41:13Speaker 12: the situation, it.
- 41:15Speaker 3: Is really really horrible.
- 41:17Speaker 12: And when defact gets involved to reunite children with their families,
- 41:24Speaker 12: they really want both biological parents to be involved in
- 41:28Speaker 12: the baby's life, even if they're in separate households, So
- 41:31Speaker 12: they tendnot to listen to these very nuanced situations where
- 41:36Speaker 12: they're it. He's left alone with a non biological caretaker
- 41:41Speaker 12: who hates the baby. And Alicia hated this baby because
- 41:47Speaker 12: this baby was the tie between her boyfriend and the boyfriends.
- 41:52Speaker 1: And speaking of the boyfriend to Hay with him being
- 41:55Speaker 1: the boyfriend, he is Iris's biological father. That's his first duty.
- 42:03Speaker 1: He needs to get the death penalty just like her.
- 42:06Speaker 1: They both need the maximum sentence. Why should he walk
- 42:10Speaker 1: free and her be the one? He knew what was happening.
- 42:13Speaker 1: It was happening on his watch right right, he.
- 42:16Speaker 3: Found, he found his daughter. He put that which evil
- 42:21Speaker 3: person first and his daughter second. When I gave him
- 42:25Speaker 3: that warning about the water beats, he should have opened
- 42:29Speaker 3: his eyes and watched.
- 42:31Speaker 1: What has your life been like, missus Alfara since this
- 42:35Speaker 1: happened to baby Iris?
- 42:37Speaker 3: My heart is broken. I will never ever know what
- 42:41Speaker 3: happiness is. Again, I'm not being dramatic. I'm not being anything.
- 42:46Speaker 3: I look at my daughter and my heart breaks, and
- 42:50Speaker 3: I think of my granddaughter and it breaks again. I
- 42:54Speaker 3: have to watch my daughter without her baby. I have
- 42:59Speaker 3: to think. I go past an ice cream store and
- 43:02Speaker 3: I think my daughter will never take her baby to
- 43:05Speaker 3: the park or to get ice cream, have her again.
- 43:10Speaker 3: How does she live with this? How does she live
- 43:14Speaker 3: with it? How do I live? Watching my daughter without
- 43:18Speaker 3: her baby with a broken heart.
- 43:21Speaker 1: Mister Alpharrah Iris's grandfather, what has your life been like
- 43:28Speaker 1: since Iris was killed?
- 43:30Speaker 7: Oh?
- 43:31Speaker 4: It's been horrible. I got a hole in my heart.
- 43:34Speaker 4: It'll never It'll always be there, and I just missed
- 43:38Speaker 4: that baby. I love that baby. And I worry about
- 43:44Speaker 4: my daughter too because of what happened here, and she
- 43:48Speaker 4: doesn't have her. She had outfits, matching outfits for both
- 43:54Speaker 4: of them all the time. Every time she took her out,
- 43:57Speaker 4: she always had her on her hip. She took her
- 43:59Speaker 4: everywhere where, and I just love that baby. She bought
- 44:03Speaker 4: her a.
- 44:04Speaker 3: Big, uh.
- 44:07Speaker 4: What's that called? Playpen? It was like five foot across
- 44:12Speaker 4: by six foot long, and I used to get in
- 44:14Speaker 4: there and play with the baby, and I just it's
- 44:18Speaker 4: just horrible. It's just terrible. I don't understand it. I
- 44:23Speaker 4: just don't understand it.
- 44:25Speaker 1: I just don't know how you put one foot in
- 44:28Speaker 1: front of the other, because, you know, after my fiance
- 44:31Speaker 1: was murdered, I thought I knew all about grief, but
- 44:34Speaker 1: when I had the twins, my children, I just don't
- 44:40Speaker 1: even know how I could live or if I could
- 44:43Speaker 1: live if they were taken away from me. And I
- 44:46Speaker 1: want you to know that. Ever since we found out
- 44:49Speaker 1: about Irish, I found out because somebody tweeted it to me.
- 44:53Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about her case, but as soon
- 44:56Speaker 1: as I found out about it, I passed it on
- 44:59Speaker 1: to our whole staff, and we have been praying for
- 45:03Speaker 1: baby Iris, for you, the two of you, and for
- 45:07Speaker 1: Iris's mom ever since we found out what happened. But
- 45:11Speaker 1: I want you to know we are also praying for
- 45:14Speaker 1: justice and let it rain down.
- 45:18Speaker 4: We want justice, but it'll never bring the baby back.
- 45:22Speaker 4: Anything that happens, we'll never bring that poor baby back.
- 45:26Speaker 4: All we have is pictures and Texas and ashes. That's
- 45:32Speaker 4: all we have and a baby.
- 45:34Speaker 1: We will continue to highlight the case to hopefully make
- 45:38Speaker 1: the prosecutor seek the maximum. Please join us again, and
- 45:43Speaker 1: please know you are in our prayers. If you know
- 45:46Speaker 1: or think you know of a child in danger, please
- 45:51Speaker 1: call our friends at child Help. Eight hundred four two
- 45:55Speaker 1: to two four four five three, eight hundred four to
- 45:59Speaker 1: two four four five three. Goodbye, MHM