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Episode #3956 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive September 2004 · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another Radio Archive Hour here on the Radio
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Phil Henry Show and philhenryshow.com. This is
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Speaker 1: Jay Santos of the Citizens Auxiliary Police, a guy that
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Speaker 1: was invented after I saw the movie Sugarland Express, and
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Speaker 1: there were these dudes in these fake cop cars kind
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Speaker 1: of trying to chase after the police who were chasing
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Speaker 1: after some bad guys. And Ben Johnson, I think, played
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Speaker 1: the head of the Texas Public Safety Division. He just
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Speaker 1: took a baseball bat and just went to work in
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Speaker 1: these guys' trucks. So that's Jay. That kind of reminds
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Speaker 1: me of Jay. Not Ben Johnson, but the clowns who
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Speaker 1: own the trucks. Here's Jay, and he's talking to us
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Speaker 1: about sex offenders. He says they're not such bad people
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Speaker 1: once you get to know them. His brother Carl, for example,
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Speaker 1: is a past offender. He's a great guy, and he's
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Speaker 1: got a huge train collection. Jay Sanis of the Citizens'
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Speaker 1: Auxiliary Police is joining us right now from Hawthorne, California.
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Speaker 2: Jay, thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 1: The question of Sex offenders moving into a neighborhood has
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Speaker 1: been on the minds of residents in this country for
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Speaker 1: a good many years. Ever since we have been allowed
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Speaker 1: access to websites and information telling us when sex offenders
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Speaker 1: are moving into a neighborhood, you were called out, or
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Speaker 1: you sent some of your people from the Citizens' Auxiliary
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Speaker 1: Police out to a, was it a disturbance?
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Speaker 3: Phil, what we found out was there was a group
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Speaker 3: of residents here in Dunson Park who had gathered in
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Speaker 3: front of the individual's home.
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Speaker 1: Now, my understanding, you and other members of your volunteer
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Speaker 1: group that went over to... When we say your volunteer group,
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Speaker 1: you're a volunteer police group?
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Speaker 3: Well, we don't like to hit that too hard being
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Speaker 3: a volunteer police group. Police do a good job. They
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Speaker 3: let a lot of things fall through the cracks. We
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Speaker 3: are citizens of Missouri Police. We do identify ourselves with
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Speaker 3: a blue armband. And it's where we go out to
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Speaker 3: areas where we feel there is a need. And at
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Speaker 3: that time, we had heard... I know Janine Pomeroy and
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Speaker 3: also Kathleen Hopper. I know both these ladies. they were
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Speaker 3: verbally abusive to us when we went out there.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Those two women I'm not aware of?
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Phil. These are two women who we did
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Speaker 3: use some passive detention with. But the point is, I
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Speaker 3: guess what you're trying to get to is why we
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Speaker 3: went out there. Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Is this the home of a former sex offender?
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Speaker 3: That is correct, Phil. This is a gentleman whose name
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Speaker 3: I'm not liberty due to divulge. We have dealt with
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Speaker 3: this situation in varying degrees for a number of years.
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Speaker 3: In 1996, Major Elvis Nitton formulated and formed the Sissons-Uzrick Police.
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Speaker 3: If I could, I could explain a little bit about this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to get the facts first. The
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Speaker 1: residents were out there. Were they manhandling this man? Were
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Speaker 1: they throwing things at his house?
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Speaker 3: Well, there was a little bit of a disturbance. They
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Speaker 3: apparently attempted to block him from entering his vehicle. I
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Speaker 3: had been called... A couple of choice names.
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Speaker 2: And you were out there to try to get these
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Speaker 2: neighbors not to hassle this guy.
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Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct. And one of the reasons why, Phil,
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Speaker 3: is Operation Meet and Greet, which is something that we
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Speaker 3: have been formulating for quite some time. And this is
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Speaker 3: what I want to talk about. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: it's anything you want to talk about. But I'd like
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Speaker 3: to talk about this if I could.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, Operation Meet and Greet is what?
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Speaker 1: Tell me about that, but I want to get into
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Speaker 1: more of the details of this, the sex offender that
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Speaker 1: has moved into this area, this Dunson Park area.
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Speaker 3: Well, Meet and Greet, Phil, was formulated by myself and
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Speaker 3: Major Elvis Newton. My brother Carl was remanded to Colfax
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Speaker 3: Men's Colony in 1988 and 1989 because the court said
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Speaker 3: he touched on a girl at a school he was
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Speaker 3: doing maintenance for. Now, I know my brother Carl. He's
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Speaker 3: a good guy. We enjoy going out to Kings games,
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Speaker 3: go to hockey games, this kind of nonsense. I think
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Speaker 3: a lot of people jump the gun on the mall
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Speaker 3: station deal. I do not excuse the behavior. Well, you're
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Speaker 3: clear about that. I do not excuse the behavior. But
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Speaker 3: I do know a number of these men socially. How
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Speaker 3: do you know a number?
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about you know a number of sex offenders?
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Speaker 3: Well, my brother Cole attends a number of meetings for
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Speaker 3: him to, I guess you retrain your thinking so you
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Speaker 3: don't want to touch a kid or what have you.
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Speaker 3: But I've met a lot of these gentlemen. I've socialized
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Speaker 3: with them. Carl is a good guy.
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Speaker 2: Where is your brother living now? Does he live in
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Speaker 2: a neighborhood like this?
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Speaker 3: No, he does not.
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Speaker 2: Where does he live?
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Speaker 3: My brother right now is living on some property that
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Speaker 3: my father wants him to clear. My father owns a
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Speaker 3: piece of property up in the Clear Lake area, and
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Speaker 3: Carl is living on the property, clearing the property right
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Speaker 3: now for him.
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Speaker 2: And you don't want to mention the name of the
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Speaker 2: guy who's living in this neighborhood?
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Speaker 3: I do not want to do all of his name,
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Speaker 3: but the point of meet and greet, if I could, Phil.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: I think it's, yeah. incumbent upon people in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 3: When a sex center moves in, it's a bad, I
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Speaker 3: understand that they want to react negatively. We would like
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Speaker 3: to see people get to know the guy, what we
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Speaker 3: call meet and greet, have a coffee or this kind
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Speaker 3: of thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
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Speaker 1: Jay, having a coffee for a guy like that.
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Speaker 3: If you can sit down with a guy, if you
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Speaker 3: meet my brother Carl, you find he's a great guy.
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Speaker 2: Your brother Carl, how long was he in prison for?
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Speaker 3: My brother Carl was four years.
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Speaker 2: And was he castrated or chemically castrated?
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Speaker 3: No, the court does not cast... We didn't feel it
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Speaker 3: was fair in Carl's case in case he wanted to
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Speaker 3: go out on a date later on with an adult
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Speaker 3: or something to castrate a man if he wanted to
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Speaker 3: go out on a date. But what we feel is
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Speaker 3: important is that before he jumped the gun in the
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Speaker 3: whole molestation deal, he gets to know some of these people.
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Speaker 3: They have wide-ranging interests. And there's no need to begin to...
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Speaker 3: try to chase about neighborhood swamps, I want to say.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jay Santos joins us.
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Speaker 2: Our number, 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: You know, I saw a story today, Jay, in the
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Speaker 1: paper about a former sex offender moving into a neighborhood
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Speaker 1: in Washington State.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that.
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Speaker 3: No, I did not, Phil.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: That article talked at great length about the discomfort of
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Speaker 1: the citizens.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that have to be taken into consideration?
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Speaker 1: People who are concerned for the safety of their children
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Speaker 1: when a sex offender moves into the area?
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Speaker 3: Well, you say it needs to be taken into consideration.
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Speaker 3: I think we've taken into consideration the feelings of these
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Speaker 3: families long enough. I'm not saying that we shouldn't continue to,
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Speaker 3: but I'm getting a headache hearing all about these families.
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Speaker 3: You have concerns, families have concerns. Of course they have concerns.
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Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why these sex offenders will
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Speaker 3: re-offend is because they feel hassled by the neighborhood they're in.
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Speaker 3: But people that sit down with them, my brother Carl
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Speaker 3: Phil has one of the largest train collections on the
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Speaker 3: West Coast, a model train collection on the West Coast.
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Speaker 3: You socialize with enough of these people.
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Speaker 1: Who wants to socialize with a sex offender? Tell me
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Speaker 1: who these people are that want to sit down and
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Speaker 1: socialize with them.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm trying to say to you is this
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Speaker 3: is information I have that you don't have.
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Speaker 2: You mean the experience with your brother?
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Speaker 3: That is correct, and it's information I have that your
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Speaker 3: listeners don't have. So your listeners right away think the
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Speaker 3: sex offender is a bad person, and yes, he is. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I will grant you that. Yes, he is. But there's
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Speaker 3: another side to the sex offender. A lot of them
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Speaker 3: are well-read. Most of them are well-traveled. They know about music.
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Speaker 3: They know about good restaurants.
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Speaker 1: So, in other words, when a sex offender moves into
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, you have a....
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Speaker 2: What do you do? You knock on his door and say, Hi,
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Speaker 2: I hear you're the sex offender?
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Speaker 3: Of course you do. You simply say, Mr. So-and-so, we
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Speaker 3: are aware of your past. We certainly are concerned about it.
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Speaker 3: But we'd like to hear what else you're interested in.
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Speaker 2: We'd like to hear what else you're interested in besides
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Speaker 2: molesting kids?
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Speaker 3: Well, in some way, get his mind off of the
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Speaker 3: whole molestation deal. The neighborhood can say, well, let's go on...
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Speaker 3: and have barbecue or this kind of a deal.
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Speaker 2: Then he won't think about molesting kids as much.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I figured out the other night. I
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Speaker 3: kind of wrote this down, and I'm thinking about doing
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Speaker 3: a pamphlet on it because I think it makes a
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Speaker 3: lot of sense. I said to my wife, doesn't this
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Speaker 3: make sense to you? When a sex offender moves into
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Speaker 3: the neighborhood, if you have them over for a beer
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Speaker 3: or you have them over for barbecue and this kind
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Speaker 3: of nonsense, then he doesn't think about touching no kid.
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Speaker 3: And that's what I told these people in front of
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Speaker 3: the house, and that's what I told them to disperse.
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Speaker 1: You do not have the legal right to tell people
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Speaker 1: to disperse, do you, because you're a volunteer police officer?
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Speaker 3: Well, I've got citizen arrest power.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but that doesn't give.
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Speaker 1: You the legal right to tell people who have gathered
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Speaker 1: in front of a child molester's house to disperse, does it?
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Speaker 3: I do have citizen arrest power.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not answering my question.
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Speaker 3: I think I am answering your question. I tell them
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Speaker 3: to disperse, or I will exercise citizen arrest, which does
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Speaker 3: include passive detention.
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Speaker 1: Well, you took that one woman's purse, the lady who
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Speaker 1: was in front of the house... And I believe she
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Speaker 1: referred to you as a faggot or something.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 3: That is correct. That is Ms. Pomeroy. She said, you
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Speaker 3: and your faggot friends get out of here. And we
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Speaker 3: had clearly marked blue armbands. And I said, you're causing
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Speaker 3: disturbance in front of this house. And she said at
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Speaker 3: that time, well, this is a child molester lives in there.
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Speaker 3: And I said to her at that time, I did
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Speaker 3: inform her at that time to please watch her language
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Speaker 3: because my brother was a child molester. And I said
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Speaker 3: at that time, would you please watch your language and
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Speaker 3: do not offend me. Because my brother was at Atascadero
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Speaker 3: for four years on account that he touched this kid.
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Speaker 3: And that's when she said, well, you and your faggot friends,
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Speaker 3: get out of here. And I had a blue armband on.
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Speaker 3: I was clearly marked as a citizen of the Algerian police.
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Speaker 3: And that's when we did do passive detention, which includes
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Speaker 3: taking her purse so that she cannot leave the area.
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Speaker 3: And I wanted her clearly in the area. But now
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Speaker 3: that she was causing disturbance, we had to do passive detention.
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Speaker 2: You stole her purse.
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Speaker 1: Well, you took the woman's purse from her, so she
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Speaker 1: couldn't do anything but stay there until she could get
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Speaker 1: her purse back.
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Speaker 3: We did not steal her purse. We gave it back
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Speaker 3: to her once she agreed to clear our area.
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Speaker 1: So, Jay, the answer to this problem is rather than
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Speaker 1: gather in front of a sex offender's home, it's to,
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Speaker 1: as best as I can tell, have a barbecue for them?
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Speaker 2: I mean, because what you're saying.
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Speaker 3: Let's not have a barbecue. What I'm saying is, I
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Speaker 3: know about these people because of my brother Carl. Carl, yeah,
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Speaker 3: was a journalist. He also has one of the largest
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Speaker 3: train collections on the West Coast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it all about Carl with the largest
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Speaker 2: train collection on the West Coast. I'm just saying... You
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Speaker 2: want them to.
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Speaker 3: It's a meet-and-greet or a coffee or something whereby you
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Speaker 3: can sit down with these people and realize that besides
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Speaker 3: being interested in kids, they also enjoy good wine. They
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Speaker 3: also are involved in car collecting. They may have a
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Speaker 3: business on the side. I met a guy who was
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Speaker 3: in a task at error for 10 years for assaulting
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Speaker 3: a variety of boys over a 15-year period, and yet
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Speaker 3: he had one of the most fantastic... a car collection
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Speaker 3: at IRC. They have about 15 cars in a garage.
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Speaker 2: It's wonderful, just wonderful. All right, hold on. 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: Jay Santos of the Citizens' Auxiliary Police has joined us
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Speaker 1: and is telling us about a group of people who
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Speaker 1: gathered in front of a sex offender's house down in Hawthorne,
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Speaker 1: demanding that he get out of the neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Santos went down there with his Citizens' Auxiliary Police and
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Speaker 1: told them to disperse. He also, and I got to
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Speaker 1: hand it to him, was honest enough to say that
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Speaker 1: his brother Carl was in a Tascadero for five years
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Speaker 1: for molesting a kid, and that sex offenders, once you
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Speaker 1: get to know them, can be fascinating people and maybe,
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Speaker 1: just maybe, should be embraced into the neighborhood. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he specifically spelled out, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you heard it or not, Chris, having a barbecue
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Speaker 1: for these people or a coffee clutch or, you know,
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Speaker 1: once you realize that a sex offender's moved into your neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: go around with a welcome wagon basket. and explain to them,
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Speaker 1: you know, you want to know a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about them. He says that'll get their mind off of kids.
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Speaker 1: The world-famous Phil Henry Show.
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Speaker 2: Phil Henry Show, going straight to the hot place. The
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Speaker 2: Phil Henry Show is back.
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Speaker 4: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 2: Jay Santus of the Citizens.
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Speaker 1: Auditorium Police joins us when we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: A neighborhood in.
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Speaker 1: Hawthorne where apparently a sex offender has moved in.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to give me the guy's name, though, right, Jay?
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Speaker 2: I mean, is this... It's not something.
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Speaker 3: That I consider all we've been through. I think the
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Speaker 3: man is entitled to his privacy. I think he's entitled to.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure the people that live there are going
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Speaker 1: to want to broadcast his name.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've told them in so many words that we're
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Speaker 3: not going to allow that.
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Speaker 2: Well, how can you stop them from doing this, Jay?
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Speaker 1: First of all, you were with the Citizens Auxiliary Police,
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Speaker 1: a volunteer police agency.
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Speaker 3: Let me explain it again, Phil, because I don't know
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Speaker 3: if the impact of this is fully appreciated by yourself
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Speaker 3: or the listeners. My brother Carl did five years at
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Speaker 3: Atascadero State Prison for the criminally insane on account that
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Speaker 3: he touched some boys who were about 12-year period back
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Speaker 3: in the 80s. And I said to him, You know,
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Speaker 3: it's wrong. He knows it's wrong. He's done his debt
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Speaker 3: to society.
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Speaker 2: Well, how do you know he hasn't re-offended?
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Speaker 3: Well, he hasn't been arrested.
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Speaker 1: Well, you said that they did not chemically castrate him.
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Speaker 1: He didn't opt for any of that stuff?
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Speaker 3: No. You've got to understand, if you want to go
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Speaker 3: out on a date with an adult, you do not
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Speaker 3: want to get yourself chemically castrated. Okay, so what we
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Speaker 3: came up with, and it's a very revolutionary idea, if
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Speaker 3: a trauma molester moves into your neighborhood, what we have
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Speaker 3: decided you should do is introduce yourself, see if there's
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Speaker 3: any common interests.
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Speaker 2: Oh my God, that guy's molesting kids.
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Speaker 3: Well, my guy's out of jail. I'm just trying to
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Speaker 3: solve the problem. We're just trying to save lives, that's all.
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Speaker 1: So see if there's any common interest between you and
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Speaker 1: the guy that's moved in who used to molest kids.
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Speaker 3: That is the beginning step. Because I tell you, my
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Speaker 3: brother Carl and I go to hockey games. He has
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Speaker 3: one of the largest collections of model trains on the
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Speaker 3: West Coast. We share a lot in class. You know,
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Speaker 3: we have more in common than we don't have. And
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Speaker 3: the only thing we don't have in common is the
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Speaker 3: fact that he likes to touch kids. And that doesn't
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Speaker 3: really ring my bell.
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Speaker 1: You realize we're talking about child molestation when you use
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Speaker 1: terms like ring my bell.
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Speaker 3: Mr.
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Speaker 2: Jr.
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Speaker 3: I'm in law enforcement. Maybe I'm not that well spoken.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a cavalier phrasing, if you don't mind.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is that's not how I get
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Speaker 3: my jollies.
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 2: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: Jay Samus of the Citizens of Missouri Police. Their new idea,
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Speaker 1: Operation Meet and Greet. If a sex offender moves in
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Speaker 1: to your neighborhood, rather than try to get them out,
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Speaker 1: do you have any common interests? Get to know them,
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Speaker 1: and perhaps you'll find that other than that, sex offender thing,
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Speaker 1: you like them.
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Speaker 2: Here is Leslie on the Phil Henry Show. Go ahead, Leslie.
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Speaker 6: Hi, I'd like to.
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Speaker 7: I've been a volunteer for the local rape crisis center
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Speaker 7: here in Denver for about three years now.
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Speaker 3: How do you do? Hi.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 7: I'd just like to make the point that I don't
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Speaker 7: necessarily think it's going to help matters if you have
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Speaker 7: the sex offender over for a party. basically what you're
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Speaker 7: doing is you're ignoring the S.Q. you're ignoring the fact
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Speaker 7: that they are in fact a sex offender and that
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Speaker 7: they are in fact a sick person regardless of whether
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Speaker 7: or not they've been let out and they've been released
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Speaker 7: into the general public which I don't believe they should
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Speaker 7: be I think what's going to happen is if you
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Speaker 7: have them over for a barbecue you have the whole
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Speaker 7: community over they're going to be scoping out the next victim.
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Speaker 3: My brother Carl was in and out of mental institutions
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Speaker 3: for 12 years but he's out now and I tell you,
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Speaker 3: he's a hell of a guy. He's a lot of laughs.
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Speaker 7: You know, I'm really sorry that you have to tell
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Speaker 7: a brother who's gone through this. Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Go ahead. I just want you to know
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Speaker 3: my brother Carl has a wide variety of interests. He's
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Speaker 3: traveled to wine country in France.
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Speaker 1: All right, but we're talking about this horrible crime he
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Speaker 1: committed against kids.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 7: I don't want to ignore the issue.
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Speaker 3: You guys want to keep hitting that over the head.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Leslie. This is Phil Henry. You were going
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Speaker 2: to say?
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't want you to approach this by ignoring the
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Speaker 7: issue here, what they have done.
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Speaker 3: Leslie, can I have this? Did you tell me, did
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Speaker 3: you say you're one of these sociology deals, or what
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Speaker 3: do you do?
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Speaker 7: I volunteer for the Rape Crisis Center.
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Speaker 3: The Rape Crisis Center, that's where gals call and a
16:36
Speaker 3: guy gets out of hand, or how does that happen?
16:39
Speaker 2: That's where, yes.
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Speaker 7: I work with victims.
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Speaker 3: All right.
16:42
Speaker 5: Okay.
16:45
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to say is a lot of these guys,
16:48
Speaker 3: I've socialized with them. Yeah, they're bad people. They did
16:51
Speaker 3: a bad thing. But you can sit down and have
16:54
Speaker 3: a wide variety of topics to converse with them. The
16:57
Speaker 3: average sex offender, for instance, it's funny to hear this,
17:00
Speaker 3: but the average sex offender also happens to be knowledgeable
17:04
Speaker 3: about foods, wines, things like that.
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Speaker 7: But that's irrelevant when you consider what they've done.
17:12
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
17:13
Speaker 7: What I'm getting at is if you have a barbecue,
17:16
Speaker 7: they're going to be scoping out the neighborhood, seeing where
17:18
Speaker 7: the little kids are, and seeing how they can get
17:21
Speaker 7: in your house.
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Speaker 3: Not if it's an adult-only party. The only thing he's
17:26
Speaker 3: going to be scoping out is your wife, and if
17:29
Speaker 3: she's wearing a tight pair of pants, that kind of
17:31
Speaker 3: a deal.
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Speaker 7: Well, then even so, do you want him doing that?
17:35
Speaker 7: Do you want him scoping out ways to get into
17:37
Speaker 7: your home?
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Speaker 3: I would much rather have him have his way with
17:40
Speaker 3: my wife than with my kids.
17:42
Speaker 2: Well, a sex offender is a sex offender.
17:45
Speaker 7: Children or adult sexual assault, regardless.
17:48
Speaker 3: See, the fact is, Leslie, rape is a totally different
17:51
Speaker 3: bird than a small station kind of a thing. That's
17:54
Speaker 3: all the deal.
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Speaker 2: Look, Leslie, thank you for your call.
17:57
Speaker 7: Oh, not on the victim.
17:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's the same effect.
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Speaker 1: It's the same trauma.
18:00
Speaker 2: Same effect. Thank you for calling 1-800-449-8686. You'd much rather
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Speaker 2: have him have your wife?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if my wife consented. Absolutely. If it kept him
18:10
Speaker 3: from touching on a kid... I'd have my wife parading
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Speaker 3: around in negligee and a whole enchilada.
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Speaker 2: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Alice, I'm sorry, Alice, hi, you're on
18:21
Speaker 2: the Phil Henry Show.
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Speaker 5: Hi, thank you for taking my call.
18:24
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 5: I don't know the name of your guest. I forgot
18:27
Speaker 5: his name. But, sir, you are really undereducated about sexual
18:32
Speaker 5: predators of any sort, whether it's a rapist of adult
18:35
Speaker 5: women or a pedophile.
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Speaker 3: A pedophile is... What is a pedophile? Yeah, what is that?
18:42
Speaker 5: It's a person who sexually molests children.
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Speaker 2: Children, that's exactly what we're talking about.
18:46
Speaker 5: That is what Carl does.
18:48
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that term. I haven't heard that term.
18:50
Speaker 3: Carl is my brother. Yes, I know Carl is your brother, and.
18:53
Speaker 5: He has a wonderful train collection. I'm telling you, you know,
18:57
Speaker 5: you are living in a vacuum, and you need to
18:59
Speaker 5: go and get educated because I don't know where you
19:03
Speaker 5: live that you can have a plan.
19:05
Speaker 3: You haven't told me how I'm not educated. All you've
19:07
Speaker 3: done is just say I'm not educated.
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Speaker 8: Let me tell you how you're not educated.
19:11
Speaker 5: You're not educated because you don't know that a pedophile is.
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Speaker 2: Alice, hold on. We're going to take a break. I'll
19:16
Speaker 2: get to your call, but I've got to take a
19:17
Speaker 2: break here. Jay, you as well.
19:19
Speaker 1: Jay Santos with Operation Meet and Greet from the Citizens
19:21
Speaker 1: Auxiliary Police.
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Speaker 2: If a child molester moves into your neighborhood, how about
19:24
Speaker 2: a barbecue?
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686. The Phil Hendry Show is back.
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Speaker 2: I understand. Do you have tape of yourself at this gathering, Jay?
19:34
Speaker 1: Do you have tape of yourself at this demonstration of these,
19:38
Speaker 1: I guess, these neighbors?
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Speaker 3: I actually do, Phil. We do carry a handheld tape recorder.
19:43
Speaker 3: I've got a pick-up can of Sonic over here at
19:45
Speaker 3: Leo's Stereo, and I take this gal calling me, and again,
19:49
Speaker 3: I'm quoting him. again, I do not want to offend
19:51
Speaker 3: any of your listeners, but this gal, as she walks
19:54
Speaker 3: up to me, big as life, says, why don't you
19:57
Speaker 3: and your faggots call me a faggot? So I got
20:01
Speaker 3: that on tape.
20:02
Speaker 2: Jay Santus of the Citizens' Auxiliary Police joins us.
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Speaker 1: He broke up a demonstration in front of a sex
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Speaker 1: offender's house, a man released from prison. And you say
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Speaker 1: the way to deal with the problem is rather than
20:12
Speaker 1: demonstrate in front of their houses, have some kind of
20:14
Speaker 1: a neighborhood coffee or barbecue and get to know them.
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Speaker 3: 1-800... You say that with sarcasm, Phil.
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Speaker 2: No, sir, I'm quoting exactly what you said.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
20:23
Speaker 2: Let me get back to Alice, who we had to
20:26
Speaker 2: preempt a little bit there for our break.
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Speaker 3: That's okay.
20:29
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Alice.
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Speaker 5: I would like to ask, Jay, do you have any children?
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Speaker 3: Do I have any children? I didn't hear the question, Phil.
20:37
Speaker 2: Do you have any children?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I do. I have a 12-year-old son.
20:41
Speaker 5: You have a 12-year-old son.
20:42
Speaker 3: I'm totally comfortable. If I were you, I would be.
20:44
Speaker 5: Really careful about my 12-year-old son. Because your wife could
20:48
Speaker 5: be parading around naked in front of your new neighbor,
20:51
Speaker 5: and he would not care one hoot. But he might
20:53
Speaker 5: be very interested in your 12-year-old son.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm the citizens' auxiliary police, and unless you're associated,
20:58
Speaker 3: you're in Madison, Wisconsin, is that my understanding?
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Speaker 5: That is correct.
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Speaker 3: All right, unless you're associated with the Badger Brigade or
21:04
Speaker 3: the Madison simulated police, I don't know what your expertise is.
21:08
Speaker 2: What's the Badger Brigade?
21:09
Speaker 3: That is a volunteer.
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Speaker 5: Is that I am a self-read person.
21:14
Speaker 3: Oh, so you read a lot. So you read a lot. Okay, great.
21:17
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
21:19
Speaker 3: You know, I'm... Let me tell you something else. My
21:21
Speaker 3: brother Carl.
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Speaker 8: I'm trying to help you out here.
21:23
Speaker 3: My brother Carl is... My brother Carl was in a
21:26
Speaker 3: cascadero for 12 years because he touched a kid. Yes.
21:29
Speaker 3: But ever since then, he's been out. He has held
21:32
Speaker 3: down a number of jobs. I mentioned his trade collection.
21:35
Speaker 3: He also has a large film collection. There's... All right.
21:39
Speaker 2: We've got to move on, Alice. Thanks. 1-800-449-8686. He's got
21:43
Speaker 2: a large train collection, and he has a large film collection.
21:45
Speaker 3: That's correct.
21:46
Speaker 2: Here's Alex.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Alex. Hi.
21:49
Speaker 5: Jay?
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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
21:50
Speaker 3: It's Jay Stannis.
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Speaker 5: Hi.
21:52
Speaker 6: My name is Alex. I'm actually pregnant with twins right now,
21:57
Speaker 6: and I've just caught the show.
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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations on that. My wife and I have a son,
22:02
Speaker 3: and we had a daughter, but she's moved out.
22:06
Speaker 5: Thank you.
22:07
Speaker 6: And I do understand what you're proposing.
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Speaker 3: We had issues with her, you know.
22:12
Speaker 6: My question to you is that with what you're proposing,
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Speaker 6: I have a really strong feeling that most parents or
22:18
Speaker 6: parents-to-be or conscious parents are going to be.
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Speaker 3: Very, very....
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Speaker 6: I'm wary of letting, first of all, socializing with someone
22:27
Speaker 6: and not looking at their past and not letting that
22:30
Speaker 6: overshadow their, you know, their concern.
22:36
Speaker 3: Well, if I could play a piece, I've got a
22:38
Speaker 3: piece of tape if you want.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
22:40
Speaker 3: Alex, this is me at the gathering. These are neighbors.
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Speaker 3: They're a hassle, this guy down here in Dunson Park.
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Speaker 3: If you can hear this... I'm going to roll this.
22:48
Speaker 3: You're going to hear what these people said. Did you
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Speaker 3: hear that, Alex? Yes, I do. I was called a faggot.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead. No, that was inappropriate, and.
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Speaker 7: They probably were angry.
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Speaker 6: I'm not defending what they said to you.
23:07
Speaker 3: I understand.
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Speaker 6: But listen, my point to you is, do you... Do
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Speaker 6: you really, I mean, if you were in their shoes,
23:15
Speaker 6: would you blame them? I mean, say your child was molested.
23:22
Speaker 6: You would probably have the.
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Speaker 3: Guy's head, right? If anybody touched my son, my young boy,
23:28
Speaker 3: he's 12 years old, means the world. If anybody touched him,
23:31
Speaker 3: I'd touch him right now. Katie, bar the door. Yeah,
23:35
Speaker 3: you better run. Don't walk. You better run.
23:36
Speaker 2: Exactly.
23:37
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.
23:38
Speaker 7: You understand that you have, you.
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Speaker 6: Know, you're thinking about your brother, and I.
23:42
Speaker 3: Understand that you're trying to help him, and he's sick.
23:46
Speaker 3: You bet. You bet. My brother is a sick animal,
23:49
Speaker 3: but I got to tell you something. If you sat
23:51
Speaker 3: down with him, Alex, for an afternoon, have a cup
23:53
Speaker 3: of coffee or a cocktail, you'd If she did?
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Speaker 6: You'd have to always be having that in the back
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Speaker 6: of your mind.
24:00
Speaker 3: Right.
24:00
Speaker 6: Because you do not know what they're thinking.
24:02
Speaker 2: What he did.
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Speaker 3: All right, I want to play this piece of tape
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Speaker 3: for Phil and for you, Alex, one more time, because
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Speaker 3: this is from a different angle at this demonstration in
24:10
Speaker 3: front of the house. All right, you heard the language used.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I did.
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Speaker 3: I was called a faggot, a queer, and all this nonsense.
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Speaker 6: No, and I disagree.
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Speaker 8: That was not appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Jay, let me ask you. Alex, I want to jump in.
24:26
Speaker 2: I want to jump in. Jay, what's worse, a child
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Speaker 2: being molested or you being called a faggot?
24:32
Speaker 3: Right. Well, what do you mean? You guys, do you
24:35
Speaker 3: want to be called a queer? Who, me? No, of
24:37
Speaker 3: course not. No, I don't. So, you know, I could
24:40
Speaker 3: go either way on that one.
24:43
Speaker 2: Wait a second.
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Speaker 1: I just said to you, what's worse, a kid being
24:46
Speaker 1: molested or you being called a queer?
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Speaker 3: The kid has his entire life to get over it.
24:50
Speaker 3: I'm an adult man. Excuse me? I'm sorry.
24:53
Speaker 2: What do you mean the kid has his.
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Speaker 6: It's really hard for me to.
24:56
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm just saying, a guy walks up to
24:58
Speaker 3: me and says, let's play the tape one more time.
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Speaker 2: I heard that.
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Speaker 3: No, I want just one more time. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Jay, can I ask you something?
25:17
Speaker 3: Did you hear the tape there, ma'am? Guy told me
25:19
Speaker 3: to kiss his rear area.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Jay, these people are scared and they're angry.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 7: Don't you understand that?
25:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
25:26
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that needs to be
25:28
Speaker 1: said here is that they do possibly need information rather
25:33
Speaker 1: than emote.
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Speaker 3: They don't need information. They just sit down, have a
25:37
Speaker 3: cup of coffee, a little tri-tip.
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Speaker 2: Get out of here. Alex, thank you for your call.
25:42
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Your bet. 1-800-4... A cup
25:44
Speaker 2: of coffee and some tri-tip, huh?
25:46
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is, you get one of these sick
25:49
Speaker 3: creeps moving into your neighborhood, you string the guy up
25:52
Speaker 3: from the nearest tree, you don't lynch him, that means
25:54
Speaker 3: I gotta, you know, then law enforcement gets involved. Or
25:58
Speaker 3: you want to sit down with him and find out
25:59
Speaker 3: if you have any common interests. Baseball, football, ballet.
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Speaker 2: And do what, man? Spend the afternoon rapping about that?
26:07
Speaker 3: It keeps his mind off of touching your kid. That's
26:09
Speaker 3: a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's a
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Speaker 3: good thing.
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Speaker 2: Isabella, you're on the Phil Henry Show. Go ahead. Isabella?
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Speaker 8: Yes, hello?
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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
26:19
Speaker 8: Hi, Jason?
26:21
Speaker 3: The name is Jay, ma'am.
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Speaker 8: Okay, I'm sorry, Jay. Okay, Jay, sorry. I just wanted
26:27
Speaker 8: to make this point. Molestation is ruining a child's life forever.
26:33
Speaker 8: It will ruin the child's future relationships. It will be
26:36
Speaker 8: hard for them to have sexual relationships with their mate.
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Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with that, ma'am. I'm not disagreeing with that, ma'am.
26:43
Speaker 8: Well, then it is serious, and it seems that it's
26:45
Speaker 8: not being taken seriously. And you made the comment, a
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Speaker 8: child has his entire life to get over a molestation.
26:52
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is... If a guy walks up
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Speaker 3: to me and says.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly what a child is going to need their
26:57
Speaker 8: entire life. How can you go.
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Speaker 2: That's a good point. This is something that the last.
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Speaker 8: But, but, but, but, but, it's not okay. Because why
27:04
Speaker 8: should a child.
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Speaker 3: Listen, I want you to listen very carefully to this tape.
27:07
Speaker 3: This is from the demonstration of the other day.
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Speaker 8: Like a fairy to me.
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Speaker 3: Have you heard that? Absolutely. The guy calls me a
27:16
Speaker 3: fairy and all this nonsense. Absolutely.
27:17
Speaker 8: And guess what? If the child that was molested could
27:20
Speaker 8: express himself, I bet you he would call that molester
27:25
Speaker 8: a queer and a fat.
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Speaker 3: No.
27:27
Speaker 2: Well, Jay was called that. But the poor.
27:28
Speaker 8: Child can't even probably express himself. That is not fair.
27:32
Speaker 2: I want to ask a question here.
27:33
Speaker 8: Who is going to speak out for those hurt children
27:35
Speaker 8: that have been molested? Who is going to cry and
27:38
Speaker 8: speak out for the hurt child?
27:40
Speaker 3: Listen to this. Isabella, listen to this. I'm trying to
27:43
Speaker 3: get these people to clear off the street. Here's the
27:45
Speaker 3: tape from August 3rd. You heard that. I've been called
27:55
Speaker 3: a rump ranger. I've been called a queer.
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Speaker 8: I heard the screaming.
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Speaker 3: What I'm trying to say is this. I don't want
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Speaker 3: children to get molested, but I've got to tell you
28:05
Speaker 3: something right now. A man called me a rump ranger,
28:06
Speaker 3: that stings.
28:07
Speaker 8: But you know what?
28:08
Speaker 3: It stings down deep.
28:09
Speaker 8: He was there to scream at the man when he
28:11
Speaker 8: was molesting the children.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point.
28:13
Speaker 8: The children needed somebody to scream out for them, so
28:16
Speaker 8: these people are upset. And I would not go offer
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Speaker 8: a molester tea, coffee, or anything. You're getting my children
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Speaker 8: in danger.
28:24
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Isabella. This is a good question,
28:26
Speaker 3: and you're an intelligent woman. Absolutely. All right. Yes. What
28:30
Speaker 3: do you love in this world? What is it interesting
28:33
Speaker 3: you have? Do you love the dance? Do you love
28:35
Speaker 3: the film? What are the things that gives you.
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Speaker 8: You know what I love? I love happiness.
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Speaker 3: I love... No, no, no. Just for the sake of
28:41
Speaker 3: our conversation, tell me something specific that you enjoy. Do
28:44
Speaker 3: you have a hobby of some kind? Do you go
28:46
Speaker 3: to school? Do you study history? Do you study... You
28:48
Speaker 3: know what I do?
28:49
Speaker 8: I work out. I rollerblade.
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Speaker 3: All right. Okay. Let's say you meet a guy and
28:53
Speaker 3: he's ripped, he's fit, Good-looking guy, nice guy, love a rollerblade,
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Speaker 3: dances great. Turns out he touched a kid.
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Speaker 2: Are you going to just blow the guy off?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. What if he's got a nice car?
29:05
Speaker 2: What are you talking about if he's got a nice car?
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Speaker 8: A person like that, it doesn't matter about the car.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter what he likes. He is capable of
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Speaker 8: ruling and getting someone's life.
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Speaker 3: All right, listen to this. Listen to this.
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Speaker 2: I'm moving along, Tinkerbell.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, Jay. Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 8: Do you put a price on someone's life? Do you
29:21
Speaker 8: put a price on someone's happiness? That can be neither
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Speaker 8: bought nor sold. Ma'am, how am I supposed to feel
29:24
Speaker 8: when a.
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Speaker 3: Guy walks up to me, call me Tinkerbell, tell me
29:26
Speaker 3: move along? I don't even have blonde hair like a
29:28
Speaker 3: Tinkerbell or none of that. Guy tells me Tinkerbell. You
29:30
Speaker 3: know why they call you Tinkerbell? Because you are taking
29:32
Speaker 3: up for a child molester.
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Speaker 8: Right, exactly, man. They just want you to move along.
29:36
Speaker 8: You're wearing a blue armband, dude.
29:38
Speaker 2: It's a volunteer police agency.
29:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: But someone should be understanding of the child. This child's
29:53
Speaker 8: relationship in the future is going.
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Speaker 3: To be ruined.
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Speaker 2: Her sexual life.
29:57
Speaker 8: Is going to be ruined.
29:58
Speaker 2: Because if somebody.
29:59
Speaker 8: Was so greedy, they could not even go to another
30:02
Speaker 8: adult and get their consent. They had to prey on
30:05
Speaker 8: someone who is defenseless.
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Speaker 3: I have no mercy for that person. No mercy. And
30:11
Speaker 3: the other thing, too, that you want to keep in mind, Isabella,
30:13
Speaker 3: is if there had been a girl, they'd put out
30:15
Speaker 3: a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: Will you get out of here with that stupid thinking? What?
30:21
Speaker 2: If a girl had put out more.
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Speaker 7: That's awful.
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Speaker 2: You mental case.
30:25
Speaker 3: Can I call me? Jay, can I ask you something?
30:27
Speaker 3: Can I call me Tinkerbell?
30:28
Speaker 8: Jay, can I ask you something?
30:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man.
30:30
Speaker 8: How old were you when you lost your virginity?
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Speaker 3: I was 11.
30:34
Speaker 8: Okay, was the girl older than you?
30:36
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, she was 30.
30:37
Speaker 8: Okay, well now I understand why you were taken up
30:40
Speaker 8: on the lecture.
30:40
Speaker 2: No kidding.
30:41
Speaker 8: Your case is closed. My case is closed, Phil.
30:43
Speaker 3: Wait a minute. She can't get away with that.
30:45
Speaker 2: No, she just nailed you, man. She just slammed you.
30:48
Speaker 2: She got the big beat down on you.
30:50
Speaker 3: Now, hold on. I get the last word.
30:52
Speaker 2: No, she beat you down with that one, man. All right,
30:53
Speaker 2: thanks a lot, Isabella.
30:54
Speaker 8: God, why didn't you let me?
30:55
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I want you to listen to this. Heard
31:07
Speaker 3: that at five, seven occasions.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you knock it off with your stupid tape.
31:11
Speaker 1: You got more taped evidence of a guy calling you
31:14
Speaker 1: Tinkerbell than you do of a kid getting abused.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of that, Jay?
31:17
Speaker 3: You know, I'm in the front lines of law enforcement.
31:20
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I forgot.
31:21
Speaker 1: You're in the Citizens' Auxiliary Police, and your brother Carl,
31:24
Speaker 1: a former molester, has got a fantastic model train collection.
31:28
Speaker 3: A guy called X-Fist. Look, that lady can't close the case.
31:31
Speaker 3: The only way that case gets closed is when you play...
31:33
Speaker 3: This is an auxiliary theme song. So I get the
31:38
Speaker 3: last word.
31:40
Speaker 2: Now she'd beat you down, dude. What do you mean
31:43
Speaker 2: you were 11 and she was 30?
31:51
Speaker 4: Whenever the laws of any state are broken, a duly
31:54
Speaker 4: authorized organization swings into action.
31:57
Speaker 3: Jay Jr. 's mother.
31:57
Speaker 4: Maybe called the state police, state troopers, militia.
32:01
Speaker 3: Citizens of the military police.
32:04
Speaker 4: These are the stories of the men whose training, skill,
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Speaker 4: and courage have enforced and preserved our state law.
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Speaker 3: Every time I hear him say that, it's the same
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Speaker 3: kick all these sexual perverts get. I get kind of kicked.
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Speaker 2: Oh, hang your phone up.
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