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A Miserable Game against the Green Team, More Questions at the Quarterback Position, and the Vikings are Still Somehow in Playoff Contention · The Skol Hop

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All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of The Skull
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Hop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin, which is a couple of dudes from
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Iowa. We like drinking beer, we like talking about the Vikings we do,
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and I think I say it every other week. It's one of those
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things is consistently more fun than the other. But yeah, we uh,
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we are drinking beer. What did you bring us? Yeah, this is
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your beer that you brought tonight. This is so I have brought us from
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back Pocket Brewing Again. We drink I a brewed beer on the podcast,
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and this is a back Pocket Brewing beer. It's a Hella style blonde Lagger.
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It's the gold Coin. We did a little bit of a pre taste
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on TikTok, which we'll release right after we record the episode. But I
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like it. What do you think? I mean? I'm this far in
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right now and it's pretty good. Can't complain at all. I've had a
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few back Pocket beers. Actually, my sister got me a six pack of
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a different kind of their beer as a part of my Christmas gift, and
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I had that in my hands. But we do record during the week,
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and that beer was a six point seven percenter, and I thought we should
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probably tone it down a little bit. We're all going back to work,
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so we'll go with this gold coin five point two percenter, So a little
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bit, a little bit nicer on us in the morning. Good call.
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Yeah, well, thanks for bringing it and it's delicious. Of course,
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I'm excited to enjoy a few of these and have some good conversation. Yeah,
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board and he's hearing right now. Hello, sir, you will probably get
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a text or something. No, that's I'll prepare myself for that. All
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right, All right, well we do this to ourselves. We do.
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You know what I'd still I blame you, ev I blame you for making
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me care about this darn team so much. This is all your fault.
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I thought you were gonna blame me for starting Jordan Love and Aaron Jones and
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Fantasy. We don't I almost I forgot about that. Now you still started
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them after all the grief I gave you last year, and I beat you
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too. Well, Yeah, like I said, Fantasy is done. We
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were playing for what fifth place? We still are? We have one more
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week? Oh man, it's a two week playoff. Man. Yeah,
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well, hey, at least nobody can say I rigged it because I technically
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am the commissioner. I think maybe I made Friend of the show Forest also
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a commissioner. I don't remember if I did. Sorry forrest if I forgot
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about that, But at least I'm not cheating, Like at least I'm not
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rigging it for me to win this freely league that we're in quick on air
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production meeting skull Hop Fantasy Hop Fantasy League next season. So this was kind
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of the skull Hop Fantasy League, was it? This was the skull Fantasy
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League. So if you did you ever pay attention to the name of the
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league. Oh, it makes sense now, Yeah, it's the super Cool
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Outstanding League, I think is what I named it. And I spelled cool
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with the K, So it was the Skull League. Nice. Yeah,
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I see what you did there. It took me seventeen weeks to get there.
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You would have never got there, and that's surprising. You're the only
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You're the one I almost did in the league. Oh man, wow,
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well, hey, pre congrats on beating me and getting fifth place in our
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league. I assume that's how it's going to happen. I was predicted to
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finish last in the league at the beginning of the season. Ye. Hey,
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that's pretty good. I think we're in eighteen leagues, so you almost
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got halfway, almost beat half of the people congrat we should probably know who's
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like, who's actually I think I is it Brian and Matt in the championship?
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Hmm? Maybe I think they've played in the playoffs. I don't remember.
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I don't know who's in the championship. I think I think Brian and
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Forrest are in the third place game, are they okay? So well,
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congrats to whoever is in the playoffs and the championship game of the school League.
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I'm very proud of you. Next next season, though, we'll have
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a skull Hop fantasy league and we'll open it up publicly. Anybody that wants
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to come in and play. We'd love it. We might have to do
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some kind of a drawing or something, because I don't want to make it.
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You know, if every single one of our fans listens and wants to
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be in the league, we'd have to have, like we could start a
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couple of leagues. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah, but yeah,
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I'm on board a school Hop league. Let's go and maybe maybe it's
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already full. Maybe everybody that's in it this year wants to be in it
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next year. Hey, how many can you max out with in a league?
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I guess he's kind of weird because ours is small with eight teams.
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I think the sweet spot is probably ten, because at that point there's enough.
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There's you're getting to the point where there's actually like a lot of strategy
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in it with finding enough starting quality players in the league to be able to
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put on your team any more than ten. It's just getting lucky with a
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guide an underrafted rookie that somehow is available for you to pick up. I
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don't know people do it sweet Well, it'll be something we'll do. Yeah,
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and I'm excited. We just successfully avoided talking about the Packer game for
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that much longer. Yeah. If we can just keep doing that, I
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think that would benefit all of us, because there wasn't much worth talking about
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no from that game. What was your first point? My first point in
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our show notes here was it was pretty miserable all the way around, every
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single aspect. Yep, it was bad. I can't think of a good
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play. I typically don't walk away from Vikings games. I walked away from
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this one. It was New Year's Eve. Yeah, I had family over,
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we were playing games, and I just I kept it on. I
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didn't turn it off. Yeah, but I left the room and went to
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the dining room and played board games with family instead of sitting in front of
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the TV continuing to be frustrated. And my wife will tell you I was
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grumpy the rest of the night, Like I did not go to bed happy
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on New Year's Eve. Yeah, I was okay. You know. We
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had another couple from actually Front of the show, Forest and his wife were
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over for New Year's Eve. We just had a chill New Year's and yeah,
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we watched the whole game, and I mean at a certain point,
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like I just had to be a duck and let it roll off my back,
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like they're not going to come back. It's not They're not playing the
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Colts. Okay, you're not going to come back from thirty points down.
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Like so I was okay, disappointed, obviously, but I didn't I tried
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not to let it ruined my night. And I think it did an okay
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job. Maybe maybe our friends can tell you different if if I did an
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okay job or not. So this question just popped into my head, and
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I'll ask you, do you think the outcome would have been different had Mullins
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started and played the entire game as opposed to starting haul Benching hal at halftime
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and then pulling up Mullins. I mean, we'll never know, but I
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think KOs said something today to the tune of, because they announced Mullins is
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going to start against Detroit next week or this coming week. KOs said something
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to the tune of, Mullins knows how to be make big plays in the
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offense, which I mean, yeah, he got benched, but in the
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game against Detroit over a week and a half ago, now, he had
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what four hundred yards passing. It's just those four interceptions like that, that's
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what did it. The four picks were terrible, and I wasn't mad.
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I kind of expected the switch to Haul. I think everybody expected Mullens to
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be benched for the Packer game, and I feel like that was the right
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decision. And I don't think you're saying that he shouldn't have been benched.
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No, I'm just wondering out loud. Would the outcome have been different or
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do you think the outcome would have been different? Maybe the offense would have
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been more productive at certain points, but you're still gonna have turnovers. I
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think those interception interceptions don't just go away, like even if for some crazy
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reason, Mullens starts against the Lions this coming week and they end up winning,
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and he has another three four hundred yards passing, He's gonna throw an
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interception. Like, we're not going to go this whole game without seeing Mullens
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throw an interception. He very well could be benched again. I mean,
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it just never know, So I don't know. I think in hindsight,
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maybe, yeah, Mullens was the guy that could have done the most with
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the offense, but I mean it wouldn't have mattered on def the whole game.
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The Vikings defense didn't do any laid over. Yeah, let the Packers
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run all over him. It is awful enough that I'm almost not even concerned
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about losing Brian Flores right now. Like I still want him as a defensive
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coordinator. I still think that's a huge thing that's good for the Vikings,
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especially if he were to be here and have another full offseason to get these
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core guys in the system and learning everything and maybe, you know, morphit
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a little bit more for the defense. But I mean, I don't know
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who's chomping at the bit to sign him as their head coach right now.
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After that Packer game, anything easy out there is going to be click baity
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at this point, Like I think there are rumors flying around, but it's
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not there's nothing concrete, and if the Vikings are done on Sunday, we'll
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learn a lot in the next couple of weeks. Oh yeah, and I
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guess after all that, I'm not. I wouldn't be overly surprised if he
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got a head coaching job. I think he's deserving of it. I just
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think their performance of the defense hasn't launched him into the stratosphere of like,
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oh, yep, obviously he's gone now. I think there's some question marks,
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and ultimately I think that's good. I think he's still back with the
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Vikings next year, and I would love that. There's a lot of question
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marks going into next season, and we'll talk about those later on. But
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let's quickly go back to the Packer game really quick, and just to maybe
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tie that up and put a bow on it and move on from it,
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because it was terrible. Wasn't correct me if I'm wrong, But wasn't the
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only touchdown that the Vikings scored. Wasn't that off of the month, the
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muffed punt? Oh? I don't know, Yeah, yeah, because you
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it was after Mullins came in and after Hall got benched, because you texted
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me saying, well, Mullins is he's the only guy that's gotten us into
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the end zone now. But yeah, I mean he didn't have to go
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very far because yeah, he didn't have to do much right. So yeah,
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the offense looked miserable, just completely lost, disjointed. The running game
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was awful still. Yeah, it just after that Cincinnati game where it looked
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great. Where has it been? Like? Whoever the running game coordinator is
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probably needs to find a new job next season. I don't know who that
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would be. I don't know if the Vikings have a specific passing and running
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game coordinators. I think it's all just Wes Phillips and then the staff below
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him. But yeah, well I'm in watching highlights. I think we saw
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that maybe ty Chandler isn't the best pass blocker, which is already going to
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exemplify a poor quarterback play when he doesn't have any time to look down the
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field and pass. I mean, if there's a blitzer, he's almost always
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going to get in. And maybe that was the secret stuff for the Packers
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this week. I don't know, just everything was bad. Nothing was good.
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I don't think you can take anything good away. And the other thing
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I'd like to point out is Jordan Love is still Jordan Love. He's playing
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better, yeah, and he played much better in this game than he did
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when the Vikings went to Green Bay and just smoked the Packers. But I'm
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pretty sure he was the offensive Player of the Week for the NFC. I
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think they announced that today from this game. Not surprising, but like,
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he still makes mistakes, he still is not the most accurate any day of
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the week. I would take a fully healthy Kirk Cousins over Jordan Love.
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Oh yeah, so I think he's going to continue to grow into that,
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But I don't know. A lot remains to be seen with Jordan Love in
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my opinion, I don't think. I don't think we were at Brett far
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of Aaron Rodgers' level Jordan Love not yet. But how freaking annoying would that
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be? Like, it would be terribly annoying. Like I thought Colts fans
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had it good going from Peyton Manning to having one bad year and then getting
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Andrew Luck like they lucked into that and then sorry Brian Luck retired, they
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ran out of luck but yeah, for the Packers to potentially go from Hall
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of Fame quarterback to Hall of Fame quarterback. And now if Love is showing
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flashes of being okay likes, that's just dumb. That sucks. I'm so
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annoyed by it. Chris collins Worth said it on the broadcast in the game,
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he said, the Packers have figured out the formula to developing quarterbacks.
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The draft your guy, you sit him for a couple of years under the
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MVP starter, and then when that guy moves on or retires or whatever,
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you bring him up and maybe deal with a few games or a half a
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season's where of not great play until he adjusts and then boom, here we
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go. Well, I mean, maybe maybe that's a formula of the Vikings
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can can or yeah, emulate in the next year or two. Maybe do
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we want to start talking about that, because talking about the futures much more
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exciting than talking about where the Vikings are at right now. Yeah, I
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think we put a period on the Packer game. I think I would like
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to point out one more thing. Yeah, sorry to interrupt, and a
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very interesting two interesting things could develop in this last game of the season.
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One which is stupid. We've already talked about it, but Alexander Madison could
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finish the season as the leading rusher without a rushing touchdown. That's crazy,
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that's just stupid. So if he doesn't get in the end zone on the
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ground, it'll be the first time in Vikings history that the team's leading rusher
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hasn't scored a touchdown on the ground. The other interesting thing has less to
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do with the Vikings specifically and more to do with the NFC North. There's
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a chance that the bottom three teams in the NFC North finished with the same
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exact record of eight and nine, which is insane. Which if you would
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have told me when the Vikings were one and four that they have a chance
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to be eight and nine, I'm super pumped. I'm super happy about that.
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And then we tell you also that, oh yeah, and by the
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way, the Packers and the Bears could also be eight and nine. Yeah.
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Yeah. I wish I wish I could go back in time and talk
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to August Austin and just be like, dude, you're in for it this
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year, like so much stuff is gonna happen, that so much that you're
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going to forget half of it. Right at the new year, and it's
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still going to be terrible. Well, just go back and listen to our
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podcasting. Oh man, sorry, past Austin. The season sucks for you.
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And all that to say, there is still a very small minute never
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gonna happen outside chance that the Vikings make the postseason. Those odds are very
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small. Yes, the map, the road map to get there, though,
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has been laid out by Dustin Baker, friend of the show, Dustin
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Baker. So the Vikings have to win, the Bears have to beat Green
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Bay, which if the Vikings win and the Bears win, that creates the
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three way record tie in the NFC North for second place, which is absolutely
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dumb. And I don't know that that's ever happened. I'm sure, I'm
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sure it has in the NFL. I'm sure it's probably not as crazy as
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you think, but it's still pretty crazy. Anyways, Vikings Bears need to
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win, and then the Cardinals need to beat the Seahawks, which the Cardinals
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beat pH Philly. Yeah, so anything's possible there, and then the Saints
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or the Bucks need to lose. Dustin Baker also tweeted and basically said,
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if you put I think you said one hundred dollars on that parlay bet?
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Maybe he said ten. No, he said one hundred. If you put
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one hundred dollars on all of those things to happen, it would pay out
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something like four thousand dollars. I put five dollars on it, So so
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you have to let us know how that happens. It's something like between five
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and six hundred dollars payout. Wow, it's not gonna happen. I've donated
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five dollars to wherever sports gambling money goes to in Iowa. But yeah,
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it was still it'll still be fun to watch. And can you imagine I
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don't expect it. The Vikings are going to get like the tenth pick,
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and that's what it's gonna be crazy. Well, with that, let's talk
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about the future, and let's talk about what do they do right now before
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these final games of the season. The Vikings are sitting at the twelfth pick.
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I think, right, I think I've heard that, yeah, something
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like that, and I think they can fluctuate up or down depending on what
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happens in the eighteen and depending on if they make the playoffs, if they
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win, which they could be as bad as in the low twenties or as
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good depending on how you're looking at it as what I think number nine is
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the highest they can get as a draft pick. So they're really and I
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think that's a testament to the NFL as a hole this year, that there's
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so many teams right around that five hundred ish area that there's a lot that
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can happen for the draft order. But yeah, I mean draft wise,
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really, that's a step ahead quarterback wise. Against Detroit, we got Nick
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Mullens again and who knows how many snaps he'll get, hopefully plays the whole
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game. Hopefully they win, and hopefully those other four things happen, and
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we're talking about a playoff team. That's what I want. I want my
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team to win. That would be amazing, and they can figure the draft
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out later. I'm not saying Quac's gonna figure it out and we're gonna still
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end up with the third pick and get the quarterback of the future. I
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don't care about that yet. I'm still this season's not done, so I'm
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hoping for the crazy not gonna happen scenario to happen. The Vikings play,
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they win against Detroit and they make the postseason, although Detroit they can still
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get as high as the number two seed, so they do have a little
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bit to play for, but they need help. Yeah, it's not just
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win and get it. They've got to win and they need help from is
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it Dallas? Yeah, so Detroit for them to they're basically locked into the
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number three seed right now, which would have them play the what six seed
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in the playoffs, whoever that would be. But they could get as high
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as number two. And that's if Detroit wins and Dallas loses at Washington and
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Philadelphia loses at the New York Giants. I feel like that's a higher scenario
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than the Vikings, making the playoffs more like yeah, yeah. So all
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that to say, Detroit's I think Dan Campbell even came out and said,
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like, yeah, starters are everyone's playing like we're still trying to win this
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game. So I respect that. So either way, it'll be Nick mullon
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Nickmullins at Detroit and then what then what do the Vikings do? We kind
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of have essentially three categories of options, right. I think category one,
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which I wouldn't be mad about, is you re signed Kirk. So now
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we're talking next season yeah, yeah, this is this is quarterback after this
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season. Resigned Kirk, which is going to be pricey. Even if he
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gives a hometown discount. His hometown discount is going to be like thirty million
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dollars like, if not more. And then it takes the immediate pressure off
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of drafting the guy right away, trading up in the draft, doing whatever
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you have to do to get anybody. Name any of the five or six
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top quarterbacks that are available this year Pennix Nick's Daniels McCarthy, McCarthy, Yeah,
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any of them, Like that kind of takes a pressure off of having
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to get one of those right away. So maybe you still draft a quarterback,
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but it doesn't have to be in the top ten of the first round.
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But even in that scenario, if you sign Kirk and you kind of
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draft a quarterback, maybe the second tier guy, you should still sign somebody
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else to be the backup, right because as of right now, Jaren Hall
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is the only quarterback that's under contract for next season. Everybody else their deal
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ends. So I don't know what are your thoughts on that kind of a
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scenario. So to recap, you're saying, Kirk walks, they draft a
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guy in Hall stays as the backup. And the first one I just said
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it was Signkirk, Sign Kirk Okay, and then either Hall is your number
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two, or you resign Mullins or who knows, Gardner Minshew or something like
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that, some kind of a number two guy that you sign. And then
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you draft a guy maybe with less pressure to be the top guy. Maybe
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you draft defense with your first pick, and then you look at quarterback elsewhere.
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I think I've said this before and I'll stick to my guns. I
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think Kirk is the quarterback that's going to bring the Vikings the most success given
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the current coaching staff, the current roster, and I know the roster will
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change next year, but the bones of it will remain largely this thame.
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Especially on offense. I think the defense will change a lot. I think,
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oh, there's me a lot of turnover there. Yeah, there definitely
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could be. But I think Kirk Cousins is your guy to get you to
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the playoffs if that's what you want. And I don't know any Vikings fans
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out there that don't want the Vikings in the playoffs. Ah, there's a
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lot right now saying they don't want them. And they're rooting for a loss
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against Detroit this week, right, and yeah, it's It's been a tough
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six weeks. We've dropped five out of six games. The only win was
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that three to nothing win against the Raider, which I don't know how that
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happened after seeing the Raiders since then. But yeah, anyways, Yeah,
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in my eyes, Kirk is the answer, and he proved that until he
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got hurt. And we will always talk about this season and always wonder what
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could have been if that hadn't have happened. I mean, we were rolling
25:07
against the Packers before he went down at lambeau Field. Yeah, I think
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that's one of the few that was a win that wasn't a one score game.
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I think that was like one of two games this season there still wasn't
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one score other than this most recent back. Yeah. But anyways, Yeah,
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Kirks Kirk's my guy going forward. Now. I don't necessarily have an
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opinion on sign him for a year, sign them for two years, sign
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him longer than that. You know, I understand that there are a lot
25:48
of logistics to be worked out that way. I saw something out there today
25:52
that his dead cap hit for next season. It's pretty lofty. Yeah,
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he's an expensive player for the Vikings no matter what, even if he's gone,
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So again, in my eyes, why not keep him. I mean,
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he proved that he can play at a high level, and I think
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he'll come back from this injury. And I was going to ask you your
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thoughts on that too, if that's if the injury itself, because it sounds
26:19
like you're not concerned about his quality of play through the injury after he comes
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back. I'm really not, especially when you consider the fact that he's a
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pocket quarterback. Yeah, he's a pocket passer. He's not a Lamar Jackson.
26:33
He's not a Michael Vick. He's not a running back, right,
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he's not just in fields, right, so he doesn't have to put as
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much pressure on his leg and on his achilles to move around. Yeah,
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there will always be that kind of like fear in the back of his mind,
26:55
in the back of his coach's mind, our minds as fans like well,
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I just remember in Adrian Peterson's comeback year twenty twelve, twenty twelve,
27:07
every time he got tackled, I remember me like always thinking like, oh
27:11
are you okay man? And he always was. He had the second best
27:15
running back season of all time that year. But yeah, well I'm sitting
27:18
here looking at this poster that my sister and my brother in law made for
27:22
me for my birthday this year. Ye, and I'm reminded of one of
27:26
the few Kirk Cousins rushing touchdowns. Oh yeah, and we witnessed it together
27:33
from a similar angle in the stadium. Yeah, we were right up in
27:37
the corner there. And yeah, I was against the Cardinals in twenty twenty
27:41
two. I don't know that he makes plays like that. Yeah, moving
27:45
forward, knowing just kind of the conservative player that he is already, he's
27:51
going to be much more reluctant to run the ball himself unless there's like a
27:56
gap the size of a mac truck that you and just you know, plow
28:02
your way through and get a first down or whatever. But yeah, I
28:06
think given his style of play, the injury won't really matter. And I
28:11
think he's got I don't know, five years of football left in him,
28:15
give or take. Could definitely could. I wouldn't be mad with that scenario.
28:22
But there's a few other ones. You actually in our notes, you
28:25
put a really good tweet if you want to kind of give a gist of
28:27
that. Yeah, So Jason seven seven seven, he's the self proclaimed Twitter
28:33
CEO of Arizona, I believe, according to his profile. But he's really
28:36
active on Vikings Twitter, and I've appreciated a lot of his stuff. So
28:41
he's got three different QB scenarios going into twenty twenty four, and he's given
28:45
them some creative titles. So his first is back to the future, and
28:52
he says, don't resign Kirk, draft a top quarterback, sign a cheap
28:56
veteran, So that would be like your gardner, Minshew or whoever would be
29:03
available to kind of bridge the gap. Likely take a step back in twenty
29:10
four, but it would lead to significant cap space and flexibility for future years
29:17
with the hopes of the quarterback that we draft kind of learning and acclimating quickly.
29:23
And you said he has three scenarios here. I don't know if he's
29:26
saying, like in order what he would want or what he thinks will happen.
29:30
He's just kind of outlining some possible scenarios the Vikings could go down.
29:36
He did say in the comments below which one he thought was the worst,
29:40
And I'll tell you what that one is a minute. The second one is
29:44
Chips all In. He says, basically, the plan since twenty eighteen was
29:49
to keep Kirk draft defense and plan to win right now. It would limit
29:56
cap space after key extensions, which we know because Daniel Hunter's going to get
30:03
paid or needs to be paid, especially after being voted to the Pro Bowl
30:07
today. Yeah, one of two vikings, which that seems deliriously low.
30:15
And JJ, of course will need to be paid as well, he says.
30:22
He continues here, it would make free agency a challenge. It would
30:26
require near perfection in the draft, and running this back again would likely me
30:32
in the fan base will be livid if it doesn't work next season. If
30:34
it does, everyone's ecstatic, an they're polarizing. Can you imagine if they
30:40
bring Kirk back and he's we go eight to nine again, well, not
30:45
even that, but if he is a full season of the first four weeks
30:48
of this twenty three season, like if he comes back had a big number
30:52
and just isn't it there. He just throws interceptions and is awful. I'm
30:57
not expecting that to happen, but can you imagine, Oh my gosh,
31:02
yeah, that would be terrible. Now and later is the last scenario here?
31:10
And I think this is probably where I would land middle ground for both
31:14
of the previous options. Bring back Kirk on a short and team friendly deal,
31:18
draft a future QB in the first and try to be as competitive as
31:22
possible in twenty four with development focus for the young quarterback behind the scenes.
31:27
Would bring cat flexibility in twenty five twenty six when the new quarterback is ready
31:33
to take over. To me, that seems like the best option. So
31:41
the Chips all In was Jason's. The Chips all in the idea of bringing
31:47
Kirk back basically doing the plans since Kirk came here, yep. Just keep
31:52
resigning him to a couple of years at a time, yep. And I
31:55
think in that one he outlines not drafting, not drafting a quarterback, which
32:00
would mean the deal that Kirk signs would not be a team friendly. It
32:05
would be a savvy businessman, Kirk cousins, I'm gonna maximize whatever I can
32:09
get YEP out of this organization because that's the type of businessman. And and
32:14
good for him. Yeah, But and ultimately I think Kirk is going to
32:20
get paid this offseason, and good for him, but he is not going
32:25
to sign for twenty million dollars anywhere, like, unless there's some crazy like
32:32
show hey o Tani deal that they figure out how to sign him for twenty
32:37
this year and give him a million a year for the next one hundred years
32:39
or something like. I don't know, but he's gonna get paid. And
32:44
I think the most likely place for him to take quote unquote less money is
32:51
with Minnesota. But like I said, I think that less money is not
32:54
going to be much less. It's at least thirty right, Like, And
32:58
I'm not smart on all this, I'm not super knowledgeable on everything, but
33:02
I mean, these quarterbacks are signing look at I mean, yes, it's
33:06
always the best quarterbacks signing mega deals, but like Jackson and Hurts last year,
33:12
they both signed at one point when they signed the biggest deals in NFL
33:15
history. Kirk is going to get paid. He's going to get money.
33:21
So I'd be happy if Kirk was the quarterback, but I don't know if
33:28
that would be the healthiest thing for money wise for the Vikings. I think
33:30
a one year contract would make a lot of sense, especially after the injury,
33:37
and Kirk's people probably would push back against that because there's less stability there,
33:44
less of a guarantee. But even if it's a one year deal,
33:46
he still has money on the books for a couple of seasons from now.
33:52
I think it's not just next year that he's got dead money on the books.
33:55
And I don't know how that works as far as like getting paid.
33:59
I know he gets paid, but it's just like spreading out the actual idea
34:04
of those dollars. But I think the contract that he's on right now they
34:07
kind of mortgaged the future a little bit and said, yeah, you're gonna
34:12
your contract will expire March thirty, first of twenty four, but we'll keep
34:16
paying you until twenty five or twenty six or whatever the cap works. Yeah,
34:22
yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know if signing him
34:28
is the smartest idea. I would tend to lead towards do everything you can
34:37
to get the guy you think is the best quarterback in the draft this year,
34:40
and even if that means mortgaging your draft picks of the future and however
34:47
high you need to get to get that guy. Maybe the guy you want
34:51
is not widely seen as as the best guy. Maybe they want Jayden Daniels,
34:57
but the number one clear cut pick is going to be Pennix or whoever
35:02
it is, so maybe they can afford to be like, yeah, be
35:07
at like the three, four, five spot. But if you have to
35:09
give three first round picks to get there, like, if that's your guy,
35:13
go do it, because picks are cheaper than one year of Kirk.
35:20
True, It's just that's a huge disadvantage if you miss. If you get
35:27
your guy and he's the one you wanted, and you mortgage the future as
35:30
far as draft picks goes, and then he's terrible, that's that's a bad
35:35
thing. And that's where like, to me, the gamble in the draft
35:39
just isn't worth it. And you can go back in the history of the
35:44
Vikings organization and look at all of the terrible picks, like Christian Ponders probably
35:50
at the top of that list. That seemed like a panic pick. But
35:53
like, he's not the only one. He's not the only quarterback that was
35:59
drafted way higher than he should have been and turned out to be a gigantic
36:05
bust for the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, I mean even Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah,
36:09
And that was really no fault of his own. It wasn't that he
36:14
was a bad player. He was actually a really good play. He was
36:15
starting to blossom a little bit and his knee disintegrated. Yeah, and he's
36:21
not been the same player since. And I think he's retiring. I think
36:22
he's now said he's done at the end of the season. He's with Detroit,
36:27
right, he might be. Yeah, I think he is, But
36:30
yeah, I don't know. We haven't seen. I guess we've seen our
36:36
GM drafted quarterback once already. But he was a fifth rounder in Jaron Hall.
36:40
And if you're drafting a quarterback in the fifth round, it's not typically
36:46
Tom Brady, right, it's a it's a flyer that you're taking and you're
36:51
basing it off film and off based off of the little bit of playing time
36:57
he's had this year, Jaron Hall. It hasn't worked, and I don't
37:00
foresee him being a starter. I think his ceiling is Josh Ops, which
37:07
is not a great place to be agreed. Well, there's a lot of
37:13
interesting scenarios moving forward, and we're on opposite sides of the fence, which
37:17
is fine, but we don't sit in those chairs and we don't make those
37:23
decisions. And Vikings fans should be very happy that it's neither one of us
37:28
making those decisions because I'm happy to be a fan. You have to think
37:34
that Quasi is probably not Probably he is carefully examining as much game film as
37:45
he can for any and all of those top guys. Pennix, bo Nicks,
37:51
Jadeen Daniels, JJ McCarthy. I mean, the list goes on.
37:53
It's a very rich quarterback draft class. I've seen mocked drafts that have like
38:00
three or four quarterbacks going in the first five picks. Yeah, I mean
38:05
it's the top ten is going to be heavy quarterbacks. Yeah, it's crazy.
38:08
So and the Vikings may be one of those. He's he's going to
38:12
do his homework. He's he's going to walk into the Vikings draft room on
38:19
draft day with a lot of knowledge. Hopefully whether or not he's able to
38:28
make the right call or not, that remains to be seen. And Kirk's
38:34
contract has to be figured out before that. Yeact, Yeah, there's a
38:37
I sent you an article from I think June is when it was written.
38:43
Basically, the window to be able to franchise tag a player opens and closes
38:52
before Kirk's contract officially expires, and apparently the way the way it rules out
39:00
work out with all of that is your contract has to be expiring or already
39:06
have expired, or some weird status of expiring in order for you to be
39:10
eligible to be franchise tagged. So one I don't so Kirk has a no
39:15
trade clause in his contract. I don't think there's anything about not being able
39:21
to be franchise tagged in the wording of his contract. But I think just
39:24
the timing of when his contract actually voids because it's before the end of the
39:30
league year, but it's still active during a weird part. Essentially he cannot
39:36
be franchise tagged at all. Like that's really interesting actually, And the article
39:43
even pointed out to money wise, even if he were eligible to be franchise
39:47
tagged, it would be based off of like a thirty six million dollar salary
39:53
plus like sixty percent more because it would be like his third time being tagged,
40:00
and you get a percentage higher every time you're tagged, not just with
40:04
one team, throughout your entire career, so it would be a crazy amount
40:09
of money, like sixty million. What's what's sixty percent of thirty I mean
40:17
almost teachers twenty, So I mean you're probably looking almost fifty million dollars just
40:22
to franchise him if that even had been an option, which it's not.
40:27
So Yeah, I mean, you're not franchise tagging him. If he's going
40:32
to be the quarterback for the Vikings next year, more than likely we will
40:37
know that before the end of the league year, and if we don't know
40:42
it by then, there's going to be teams competing to sign him, because
40:45
somebody will sign him. I mean, who's a quarterback? Who is it?
40:50
Not pretty much any team in the AFC, because like half of the
40:53
AFC teams ended up at least starting a different quarterback than they started the season
41:00
with at some point. I mean the Falcons, who are an NFC team,
41:04
come to mind for me. The Steelers come to mind for me.
41:07
Yeah, So there's gonna be other teams that are at least gonna look.
41:13
So there's gonna be competition, and anytime there's competition, that price just goes
41:16
a little bit higher. Yeah. It's just it's not gonna be easy and
41:22
or cheap to sign Kirk, which is why that's not my initial want as
41:28
a fan, just because I know it mortgages the rest of the team.
41:31
But as a player. Oh my gosh, he's he's great. I'd love
41:35
to have him as a quarterback. It's just I don't think it makes the
41:37
most sense when it comes to the dollars. So we'll see again. Great
41:44
thing that we don't have to make that decision. We just get to watch
41:46
the games and drink and complain and you guys get to hear us quote unquote
41:52
argue about it on our podcast. Well there's yeah, there's a lot to
41:58
figure out between now and the track for sure, and then what they do
42:01
in the draft will be a whole other thing. And we'll definitely be talking
42:05
about the draft on future episodes, maybe as maybe as early as a week
42:10
from now. Yeah, although in the playoffs, I think we're gonna kind
42:15
of turn into a playoff type podcast, Like we're always going to be Vikings
42:20
focused, but we'll talk about the games that have happened. And you've been
42:24
having fun posting some tiktoks and things. Yeah, mostly injuries, but other
42:30
kind of funny and crazy things that have happened that you've noticed during NFL games
42:36
and college games for that matter. Yeah, Well the college was really just
42:38
a couple of games and the playoffs there, but Yeah, those injury ones,
42:44
they seem to do well on TikTok. I don't know, me and
42:46
the other seven million people that watch that video seem to like having gruesome injuries
42:52
happened right in front of them, So that one was especially bad. That's
42:57
why I got six point nine million views. Keaton Mitchell's knee just like went
43:02
a different direction. Yeah it was bad, but yeah, we'll still We'll
43:08
still be doing episodes throughout the playoffs regardless of if the Vikings are there or
43:15
not. We still got one more game. Season's not dead. Playoffs aren't
43:20
completely out of reach, They're mostly out of reach. It would be a
43:24
crazy scenario, but it could happen. Crazier things have happened. The Vikings
43:29
were down one time, thirty three to nothing against the Indianapolis Colts one time,
43:34
and what happened therev Brian left. That's what happened. Brian left.
43:39
Thanks Brian, you left, and it it enabled the Vikings to mount the
43:45
biggest comeback in NFL history. Before I go to sleep tonight, I am
43:51
ordering that commemorative plaque. Are I'm going to have to We're gonna hang it
43:57
in here. So it's a skull cave piece that has to live here because
44:00
we mentioned it just about every episode. Speaking of, we have a new
44:05
addition here. If you're watching us, Big Top Adventures gifted us a signed
44:12
purple Dante Culpepper jersey a few weeks ago. Yeah, I think it was
44:16
like three or four episodes ago now, ye, and we now have it.
44:20
I don't think you can see it on TikTok right now, but if
44:22
you're watching on YouTuber Spotify right right above me here and maybe we'll take a
44:30
picture and post up on Instagram too. Evan got a really nice case for
44:35
it, and we've got it mounted up on the wall. Looks beautiful.
44:38
Yeah, it looks pretty sharp. The display case came yesterday. Yeah,
44:44
and so got that out of the box and I was actually nervous, so
44:47
it's like, I hope this didn't get damaged. The box was kind of
44:51
looking a little raggedy, was it Amazon? Yeah, that can happen sometimes,
44:54
but it was okay. It turned out all right, and it looks
44:58
it looks sharp. Pleased with how it looks. Yeah, I like it
45:01
a lot. It's beautiful. Thanks Big Top for the cool piece, cool
45:07
addition to the school cave. It's nice. We have two signed jerseys now
45:13
in the school cave. Yeah, I say, we they're yours. They
45:17
they will they will always be a part of this. Yes, so yes,
45:21
they will. All right, So the Lions game, I think there's
45:24
some points we should probably bring up. Well, we say this and you
45:29
put this in here every freaking week. A key point. Number one is
45:35
don't turn the ball over. Don't turn the ball over, and we say
45:37
it every freaking week. Can we just not do that? Yeah, that'd
45:42
be great if you could just not give the ball to the other team insert
45:46
quarterbacks name here and talking to Toby like, can you just can you just
45:52
be cool just this once? Just be cool? Serious? Yeah, So
45:58
if they can, and my point that I made many many many weeks ago
46:01
is still holding true. If they go a full game without committing a turnover,
46:07
they will win. They won every game. I think it's like two
46:10
that they haven't given the ball away. So if they can not turn the
46:16
ball over, I mean, numbers say they're gonna win. What else we
46:22
got We got to establish the run game, which an interesting development happened yes
46:29
sure day, I think Yeah, Dalvin Cook was released by the Jets.
46:32
It sounds like it was an amicable split. Yeah. I think he was
46:36
just saying, guys, let me go, maybe I can latch on with
46:37
a playoff team. You're not using me. Yeah, So I'm not saying
46:43
the Vikings pick him up this week, but let's say the Vikings do squeak
46:45
their way into the playoffs. You look at bringing Dalvin Cook back for a
46:51
playoff run. I mean, I don't think it's a terrible idea. He
46:53
had a decent year last year. He was just expensive. I think he
46:58
was gonna cost like almost fifteen million dollars this year. Well, this would
47:00
be the way to do it with Dalvin Cook. I mean, if you
47:02
can get him on a dime after the Jets have kind of chewed him up
47:06
and spit him out, and he's healthy and ready to play. And I
47:09
think Tom Pelsero said he's got fresh legs from not being utilized too much,
47:15
and then a Reef Hassan was like, what do you mean fresh leg If
47:17
he was good, he would have been used, Like he just kind of
47:21
laughed at the idea of fresh legs. But I don't know. And there's
47:24
also the like, I think there's some specific rules as far as waiver claims
47:30
and who can be signed after being cut. There might be something Even if
47:37
the Vikings were a crazy sneak into the playoffs and he was still excuse me,
47:43
still a free agent after these next few games or this next week of
47:47
games, I think there might be some kind of weird NFL rule that he
47:52
couldn't be signed. I don't know enough about that to be sure, but
47:55
there could be something about that. I think if you make the playoffs and
47:59
he's still out there and it's allowed, at least it's talk about it.
48:04
Right, He's a good player, it's just for whatever reason, he couldn't
48:07
get on the field. Yep. I don't see it happening though, Like,
48:12
definitely not if you don't make the playoffs, and then maybe if you
48:15
do. But I don't know either way. The Vikings run game needs some
48:19
help, Yes, it needs a lot of help, especially if you're We've
48:22
already said this, but you're leading rusher on the season hasn't found the end
48:27
zone. Yeah, like what what is going on? Yeah? Yeah,
48:30
that's terrible, and that's another thing to look at heading into next year.
48:36
I don't think I think it would be insanely dumb to go into next year
48:42
with your plan for the number one running back to still be Alex Madison,
48:45
agreed, but that's a topic for another time. Well, and that could
48:51
be a draft pick too. I mean, yeah, there's there's a few
48:54
good options out there, and running backs are cheap, I mean, don't
48:59
pay running Maybe Dalvin's an option for next year. He's starting to get up
49:05
there, and obviously it didn't work out for you know, the Jets this
49:07
year, so maybe that's not a good idea, but you never know.
49:10
Yeah, that's an interesting possibility though. Yeah, definitely. I mean I
49:15
didn't expect him to be released. I think we all expected Aaron Rodgers to
49:20
be healthy and Dalvin Cook to be kind of the balance to that offense.
49:24
You know, Aaron's gonna light it up whenever he takes the field, and
49:29
then when you need some running plays here and there, here's Dalvin Cook,
49:32
who had a great career in Minnesota, and he's I think he's still very
49:37
capable. Definitely could be ye, But anyways, the last key to success
49:43
here against the Lions defense. Yeah, which defense shows up? Is it
49:46
gonna be the defense that held apparently an offensive juggernaut in the Raiders to zero
49:53
points? Or is it gonna be the defense that let Jordan Love look like
49:58
the third coming of a Hall of quarterback for Green Bay. I mean,
50:04
I don't know. It's been very bipolar. Yeah, and on the defensive
50:09
front, I mean, this very well could be Harrison Smith's last game as
50:14
a Viking. I hope not. He does seem like a guy that would
50:16
take just stupid cheap deal just to stay in Minnesota. That he should,
50:22
but he seems like he might. He did it this year. Yeah,
50:25
Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot you mentioned it earlier today.
50:29
There's a lot of question marks for the defense as much as you're questioning the
50:31
quarterback situation. Almost every position group on the defense has major question marks for
50:38
next year. But yeah, for Detroit, who's showing up? I don't
50:45
know. Does Anthony varget on the field more than he has in the few
50:49
games that he's been back with the Vikings. I honestly haven't even paid attention
50:52
to that. I know he was signed to the active or the fifty three
50:54
man roster before the Packer game, which still holds true. I don't think
51:00
key'sman cut maybe. I mean, I don't know if he made the field
51:07
a bunch in the Packer game, it didn't matter. I mean, the
51:09
defense looked horrible. True. Yeah, I didn't really pay attention that much
51:14
either. Yeah, but we'll see. I don't know either way. All
51:20
that to say, if they do end up winning and the other four or
51:22
five games go the way of the Vikings and they squeak their way into the
51:25
playoffs, it's probably not gonna look great. Like you're probably either playing Detroit.
51:31
Well, it wouldn't be Detroit because they wouldn't be the number two seed.
51:35
It would be like Philly or and it would be a ballast. It
51:39
would be a road game, it would be ugly. You're not gonna win.
51:42
But I still want them to get to the playoffs. I still want
51:44
it. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm I'm okay losing a
51:49
wild card game, that's fine. Yeah, just get there. You never
51:52
know. It would be a good consolation. Yeah, but you never know.
51:55
Once you get there, you can't you can't win the Super Bowl if
51:59
you don't get to the pl If you get there, yeah, maybe it's
52:01
unlikely, but at least you're in the dance. Just get there, yep,
52:07
yep. Yeah, it'll be an interesting game. And you mentioned it
52:12
earlier. The Lions still have something to play for, so it's not like
52:15
they've locked up the number one seed or locked up the number two seed,
52:19
even like they're playing for that too, I think, yeah, and the
52:22
number one has already been locked up by San fran but they're not crazy out
52:29
of it for the number two seed, which I mean without the extra bye
52:32
week, Like, it's not like it helps that much because it's just depending
52:37
on who you're playing playing, it guarantees that they would play at home for
52:40
two weeks if they won. If they won, yeah, I guess that's
52:44
true. So I think that's the big advantage. And then you know,
52:49
if it did come down to a one and two, then they'd have to
52:52
travel to San Francisco. But yeah, it's always good to be the higher
52:57
seed, yep. And so yeah, they have something to play for,
53:01
and they're not just gonna put their B team out there and take a loss
53:07
to the Vikings. Yeah, and I think even if they were to sixteen
53:13
right now, Dan Campbell wouldn't put a team out there that wasn't gonna be
53:17
Yeah, that guy, you know that first press conference he had when he
53:22
was hired, and he was saying bite knee caps and he just looked like
53:23
a meathead and whatever, super red face. Everybody made fun of him and
53:30
I did too, and almost ever since, every time he has opened his
53:36
mouth in front of the media or done anything, I've just liked him a
53:40
little bit more like he seems like a player's coach, a guy that can
53:45
motivate people, and he seems genuine. The Lions have a good coach,
53:50
and darn it, they might be a problem for a while. They were
53:54
this year. They're the division champs. They can't take it out of last
53:58
year too. Oh yeah, yeah, they almost beat the Vikings in the
54:00
first game last year too, when the Vikings came back and won. But
54:06
oh well, I like Dan Campbell as a as a guy. He seems
54:08
like a good coach. Lions fans have a lot to root for. Agreed,
54:13
well, it'll be an interesting game. It was kind of telling that
54:16
the league didn't do anything with that game in terms of timing and what slot.
54:24
It's a noon game, just normal, straight up, which I think
54:27
actually helps the Vikings. I think business as usual. No primetime game.
54:31
They still have to travel and still to Detroit. But other than that,
54:36
it's business as usual, right, like, you show up, you play.
54:39
It is Eastern time zone, but that doesn't matter too much. I
54:43
don't think, you know, like they. I think maybe the league may
54:51
have had their eye on this one when they created the schedule, and if
54:55
it would have come down to the division, they may have flexed that to
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a Sunday night game or some something like that to bring in that national audience.
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But nope, we get the uh, we get the regular old noon
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game on Sunday, which is fine. I'm okay with that. That'll be
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good. I was trying to figure out today how to rig Paul Allen's game
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call through my TV, but I don't think where we're located it's even possible.
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Well, I remember, like several years ago, being frustrated that I
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couldn't watch. This was before Sunday ticket was more available than it is now.
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But I remember like downloading like iHeartRadio and tune in or something like that,
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like these radio apps to tune into Kfan because I knew they would have
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the play call and they black out NFL games, it will. But I
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think if you're in the market, like if we were in Minneapolis and we
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pulled up the iHeartRadio app like we'd be able to listen to. So if
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anybody out there has a tricky VPN strategy to Minneapolis IP address, we'd appreciate
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that. We'd we'd take your your technology and apply it for nothing. Nothing
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bad, No, yeah, just it's just I don't know who's calling the
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Vikings game this week. But I'll tell you what. If I ever have
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to hear Jonathan Vilma announce a Vikings game ever again, I'll just watch it
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on mute. I don't care. I'll pull up Tom Grossei's live stream.
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I don't. I don't care. Tom Grassy. We like that guy,
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Yeah, we do. We We owe Tom Grossey something a little bit.
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He gave us a little foundation. Yeah, he's a good guy. And
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for as much as I detest his set of packers stuff and it's probably inspired
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a little bit of the school Cave, it has a little bit. I'm
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not gonna lie, but I like listening to him. He's good. Yeah,
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he's he's a good character to follow. What have you thought of the
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back pocket gold coins? Well, I'm down farther than you are. So
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it's been good. It's been really good. It's just easy drinking. It's
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nothing fancy. I'm not going to say that it's like the world's greatest beer
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ever. But beer doesn't have to be. It's really good. I think
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it's a really good, simple beer, and I think that's probably what they
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were going for. Yeah, yeah, I like it a lot. I
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will have more. It's a good one. It's good stuff. Well,
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we've got a lot to look forward tom even if the Vikings are done after
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Sunday. The future, the future looks good. There's there's some upside.
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There is upside, so we'll be we'll be optimistic about what could happen to
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our favorite team, and we can also be slightly optimistic that they'll squeak their
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way into the playoffs too. It's still a chance. Until it's out,
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it's a possibility. Well, this has been fun, it's been a good
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beer. Yeah, I think we're ready to close it out. So until
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next time, School School Hey Vikings fans, Evan here from the School Hop
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