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Huddle Up | Building on 2025, Free Agency, Jaguars' Draft Approach · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up. Huddle Up. Jaguar Senior writer John Osher,
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  Speaker 1: NFL Network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior
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  Speaker 1: reporter J. P. Shadwick bring you the latest on your
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: It is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. It is Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: February eighteen. The hiatus is over. JP Shadwick, John Oser
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  Speaker 3: in Jacksonville from the Hyundai Studios. Bucky Brooks joining us
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  Speaker 3: from the Big Easy New Orleans, Louisiana. The HBCU Legacy
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  Speaker 3: Bowl coming up this weekend. Bucky, it's good to be
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  Speaker 3: back with you. The off season break is done and
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  Speaker 3: we're back to football.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, back to the football, I mean, And this is
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  Speaker 4: the best part. The clock resets, the season resets. Everybody
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  Speaker 4: has a chance. We're on the twenty twenty six, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited about it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Bucky, let me ask you this. You're I always
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  Speaker 5: say on this show, you're much more tied in nationally
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  Speaker 5: than we are, because look, everybody loves Bucky. So you're
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  Speaker 5: always yeah, you're always talking to people around the league,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and so you talk to more people with
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  Speaker 5: other teams, et cetera. Any impressions of the Jaguars season
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  Speaker 5: overall from that perspective, I mean, did it raise eyebrows?
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  Speaker 5: You know? Was there? You know thirteen and four obviously
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  Speaker 5: joined the elite teams, But are people worried about this team?
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  Speaker 5: Is there a respect level all that stuff? You know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: A few different things that stood out when I talk
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  Speaker 4: to people. One, everyone is fascinated by how the quarterback
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  Speaker 4: finally played at that level under Liam Coin.
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  Speaker 2: So they wanted to understand what took place, why did
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  Speaker 2: they click, and why did they click in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the season because.
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  Speaker 4: They played great after the bi week on week right,
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  Speaker 4: it rip in those.
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  Speaker 2: Things, So they're fascinated by that.
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  Speaker 4: They want to understand, like how defense played at such
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  Speaker 4: a level in terms of turnovers and making plays, and
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  Speaker 4: even though they adopted a bit of a ben but
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  Speaker 4: don't break style, it seemed like they always came up
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  Speaker 4: big in the clubs. And then the final thing is
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  Speaker 4: can they do it again? Just because of the history
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  Speaker 4: of the franchise and those.
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  Speaker 2: Things, how can they do it again? Is this a
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  Speaker 2: thing that was a one hit wonder? Or are they
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  Speaker 2: a team that can sustain their success. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a wait and see.
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  Speaker 4: Factor when it comes to the Jags because it hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been a you know, the Jacks haven't been a team
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  Speaker 4: that have always been in the conversation of being a
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  Speaker 4: playoff contender or a title contendant.
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  Speaker 5: Yet I don't know why. For me, this feels much
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  Speaker 5: much less like a one hit wonder than either seventeen
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  Speaker 5: or twenty two did. And maybe I'm misremembering how I
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  Speaker 5: felt those off seasons. I think it's because I don't
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  Speaker 5: think you can fake the last eight or nine weeks
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  Speaker 5: that Trevor did, you know, I don't think you sink
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  Speaker 5: back to interception guy from that. I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure you can maintain the level for eight straight
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  Speaker 5: games that he did. I mean, that's a really high
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  Speaker 5: level that not many people reach consistently. It's always gonna
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  Speaker 5: be errors, but that didn't feel fluky. And I guess
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  Speaker 5: maybe the difference in twenty two. They're coming back every week, right,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and everything was ten point rallies and you
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  Speaker 5: felt like you were hanging by a thread. The last
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  Speaker 5: eight weeks of this season, Trevor and the team just
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  Speaker 5: felt like they were good. And I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 5: you come off that back to seven and ten. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if thirteen and four is realistic. That's
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  Speaker 5: a hard record to get. But this didn't feel fluky.
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  Speaker 3: By not fluky at all, I mean they were Blue
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  Speaker 3: Team twenty guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think the thing really kind of dawns on
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  Speaker 4: you how good the team was when you look at
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs and you look at all the teams that
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars had beaten, and players about the Broncos, you
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  Speaker 4: think about the Niners.
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  Speaker 2: You think about how competitive they were in their game
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  Speaker 2: against the Seattle Sea Yaks ultimately won it.
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  Speaker 4: And when you begin to put those things together good
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  Speaker 4: points say hey.
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  Speaker 2: Man, man, this team is really really close.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you're talking about the Bills and the Texas
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  Speaker 4: and all that. This team is really really close to
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  Speaker 4: being there. And if you really.
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  Speaker 2: Squint, you can close your eyes and say, hey man,
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  Speaker 2: we could.
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  Speaker 4: Have been right there in Super Bowl sixty if we
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  Speaker 4: find a way to take care of.
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  Speaker 2: Business against the Bills and whoever we played there on.
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  Speaker 4: So that point is there where you're confident enough that
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  Speaker 4: this team figured out. Now the challenge is there's no
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  Speaker 4: such thing as momentum. Whatever you did the previous year
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  Speaker 4: doesn't carry over to the next year. So how do
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  Speaker 4: we build upon what we did last year, even.
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  Speaker 2: Though it would be a completely new team.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the challenge that Lin Coin and James Gladstone
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  Speaker 4: trying to be selling.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has to take the good from this season, process it,
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  Speaker 2: but then try and figure out the way to build
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  Speaker 2: a better.
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  Speaker 4: Team next year. And there's no guarantee that you're going
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  Speaker 4: to have the same kind of luck.
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  Speaker 3: That you are and the coordinators will be the as
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  Speaker 3: they were last year. There were close calls there with
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  Speaker 3: Yadinski and Campanelli both getting interviews around the league for
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  Speaker 3: head coaching jobs, and that's I guess teams looking at
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  Speaker 3: successful organizations and wanting a piece of whatever the Jags
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  Speaker 3: were doing. But it didn't work out this year. You
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  Speaker 3: could see that happening in the future if the success continues, though,
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  Speaker 3: but status quo moving ahead. A couple other minor changers
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  Speaker 3: on the coaching staff, but that's a good start when
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  Speaker 3: you have that core group of leadership and the coaches
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  Speaker 3: back together on the team.
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  Speaker 4: Buck Absolutely, continuity is everything, and the longer you're able
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  Speaker 4: to keep your coaching staff together.
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  Speaker 2: The longer you're able to keep.
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  Speaker 4: The core members of your team together, the better you
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  Speaker 4: have consistently producing the results that we saw.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the thing is when we do a self.
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  Speaker 4: Assessment and we look at the team, can we honestly
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  Speaker 4: look at the team, value the players correctly and also
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  Speaker 4: look at what we did and how can we make
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  Speaker 4: it better? Because the thing that you now know is
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  Speaker 4: next season, the Jaguars on the schedule are going to
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  Speaker 4: get everybody attention and so it's not going to be, oh,
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  Speaker 4: here come the homecoming opponents.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna knock them off.
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  Speaker 4: So they had to get used to playing teams that
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  Speaker 4: will have a little different energy.
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  Speaker 2: Against them because they become a bit.
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  Speaker 4: Of a measuring sticks as opposed to like the way
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  Speaker 4: they used to exist.
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  Speaker 2: So that is going to be different.
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  Speaker 4: And then you know, when you bring in new people
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  Speaker 4: on the team and other people go, can you re
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  Speaker 4: establish the chemistry and the connectivity because to me, that
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  Speaker 4: was the biggest part.
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  Speaker 2: They actually those one thing, but the way this team felt,
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  Speaker 2: the way they were connected.
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  Speaker 4: You got to make sure that you continue to establish
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  Speaker 4: that and that's not always easy to do.
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  Speaker 5: What's the process something you said about thirty seconds ago
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  Speaker 5: of evaluating your team correctly. That sounds easy, but I'm
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  Speaker 5: guessing there's a lot more to it, and it's a
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  Speaker 5: lot more important to do it right. But it can
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  Speaker 5: be hard to do.
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  Speaker 4: It can be hard to do because there's an emotional
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  Speaker 4: and a sentimental badge you to seeing players have success.
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  Speaker 4: But what you have to do is you have to
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  Speaker 4: separate the emotion from a where we at, where do
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  Speaker 4: we want to go? And does this player help us
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  Speaker 4: get there given the salary.
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  Speaker 2: Cap restraints or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So are you willing to make the tough decisions that
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  Speaker 4: may be unpopular in the public to do what's best
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  Speaker 4: for the team.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where you can't always run it back with
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  Speaker 2: the same team. As much as fans.
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  Speaker 4: Were like, hey, you want everyone to come back, that's
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  Speaker 4: just not realistic.
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  Speaker 2: Because you want to get better.
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  Speaker 4: So you have to be able to evaluate players separate
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  Speaker 4: and apart from how you feel about them, and more
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  Speaker 4: for the production and the performance on the field and
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  Speaker 4: how you project them to continue to perform as they
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  Speaker 4: go forward.
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  Speaker 5: It's probably more dangerous to try to always run it back.
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  Speaker 5: The instinct is to say run it back, but if
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  Speaker 5: you're going to be good for the long term. The
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  Speaker 5: key is knowing how to sort of adapt to running
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  Speaker 5: it back, because we're listening. In the NFL, you can't
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  Speaker 5: run it back, so you have to make some changes,
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  Speaker 5: which is probably what we're getting to a segment.
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  Speaker 3: Say, guess what the franchise tag window is open. The
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  Speaker 3: tag deadline is March third, and free agency is coming
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  Speaker 3: up right around the corner at mid March. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: the two biggest names people are concerned about are Eat
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  Speaker 3: and the running back, and Devin Lloyd the linebacker. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of other guys that are pending free agents.
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  Speaker 2: And you know.
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  Speaker 3: Part of this, Bucky, is just the business of football too.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to run it back because contracts come up.
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  Speaker 3: Salary cap is a real thing. Even though you can
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  Speaker 3: push money around and do a lot of things with it,
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  Speaker 3: the business of the game forces your hands sometimes and
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  Speaker 3: some of these changes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the business of the game forces your hand. And
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  Speaker 4: so this is why it's really important to like kind
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  Speaker 4: of step away from the regular season and.
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  Speaker 2: Then get back to being able to evaluate it because
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 4: And make decisions right after the regular season. Everybody that
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  Speaker 4: we saw have a great year. We want to bring
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  Speaker 4: them back. But now you've had a chance to take
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  Speaker 4: a deep breath, You've had a chance to look at
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  Speaker 4: the way the playoffs played out, and what you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to do is build a team that can be the
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  Speaker 4: last one standing. So what do we need to do
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that we have that kind of team?
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  Speaker 4: And as much as I love Travis Atien and Devin
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  Speaker 4: Lloyd and I would love them to continue to be Jaguars,
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  Speaker 4: you have to now look at what's our solar cap situation,
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  Speaker 4: where they at in their careers, what are the number
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  Speaker 4: going to be? And then what's out there free agency.
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  Speaker 2: And the draft? Can we replace them?
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  Speaker 4: No matter how much we feel about them, are they replaceable?
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  Speaker 4: And so those are the decisions and the conversations that
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  Speaker 4: are taking place right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, and then as we get to the combine and.
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  Speaker 4: Free agency kicks off, then we'll see how those decisions
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  Speaker 4: play out when we start executing the plans.
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  Speaker 2: That are made.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's interesting that those guys, You know,
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  Speaker 5: most of the questions I get right now are about
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  Speaker 5: those two and understandably so, they're popular players, high profile players.
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  Speaker 5: They're also players who had stats, which makes them very
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  Speaker 5: easy to fall in love with, sure, and very easy
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  Speaker 5: to sort of comprehend. I'm not sure it's as much
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  Speaker 5: of a matter of, you know, did they make cap
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  Speaker 5: mistakes before they're over dead money all that stuff. I
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  Speaker 5: think even if they had a relatively clean cap, you
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  Speaker 5: have to look at it from a roster building standpoint
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  Speaker 5: of are we going to pay a linebacker twenty million
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  Speaker 5: dollars a year or whatever Devon's number, Devon's number would be,
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  Speaker 5: And do we as a franchise pay running backs this
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  Speaker 5: level of money going forward? How it affects future caps.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's tough in this day and age
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  Speaker 5: Bucky to pay those two positions what it would take.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm with you, Devin Lloyd a great kid. If
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  Speaker 5: you spend a time around Devin Lloyd, you want to
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  Speaker 5: be around them. Travis et in the same way. I
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  Speaker 5: would love these guys to be long term jags. But
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  Speaker 5: I think even even without whatever happened in the past,
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  Speaker 5: all the dead money stuff people were talking about, I
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  Speaker 5: just don't know if those two positions philosophically are that
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  Speaker 5: level of position that you pay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what's interesting is making the decision on now,
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  Speaker 4: who's more valuable to the team, but who fits into
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  Speaker 4: the puzzle better. I think it's a lot easier to
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  Speaker 4: potentially fit the running back into the puzzle given what
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  Speaker 4: he does and the number that we're talking about. You
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  Speaker 4: talk about a franchise tag on the running backs being
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  Speaker 4: fourteen million, so reasonably you're trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Find a number below that that allows you to retain Travis.
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  Speaker 2: With the linebacker, the number is significantly higher.
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  Speaker 4: So I think you kind of make peace with a
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  Speaker 4: we may not be able to retain Devin Lloyd.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at the draft class.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, the draft class have some linebacks that we may
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  Speaker 4: be able to fit into the equation. Maybe we move
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  Speaker 4: on from him. The running back situation is tricky because
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  Speaker 4: when you look at the draft.
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  Speaker 2: There's some players.
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  Speaker 4: Are there some players that you want to get at
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  Speaker 4: the right value?
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel about the young players too? Than
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  Speaker 2: Allen one of those guys ready to handle it.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of it is the conversation that you
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  Speaker 4: have internally and then, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Travis, what are you looking for? Like?
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  Speaker 4: What are you looking for not only monetarily but role
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  Speaker 4: in those things?
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a ying and a yang that comes
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, those positions are traditionally not the premium positions.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to weigh what makes our best players better,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talking about Trevor.
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  Speaker 4: Just Travis make Trevor a better quarterback if we keep him.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fluid.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised to see both of them go,
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  Speaker 4: but I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them saying.
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  Speaker 2: That primarily would be bettering to him.
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  Speaker 3: It's up with Bucky Brooks. We are back after the
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  Speaker 3: off season hiatas it is pre draft season now, so
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  Speaker 3: Bucky is in New Orleans, Louisiana. The HPCU Legacy Bowl
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  Speaker 3: coming up this weekend and it's a city that you
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  Speaker 3: love going to each and every year. You arrived on
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  Speaker 3: Fat Tuesday. How was your celebration last night?
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  Speaker 5: I think much like Patrick Swayze and Dirty Dancing, he's
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  Speaker 5: having the time.
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  Speaker 4: Of his life.
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  Speaker 2: I bet yeah. I was probably more like Patrick Swayze
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  Speaker 2: in Roadhouse.
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  Speaker 4: It was a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot to take in. I landed like
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the day, so it was noon.
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  Speaker 4: It was not a primetime hour for the parades and
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  Speaker 4: debauchery that took place.
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  Speaker 2: On the streets. A lot of people being festive, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of drinks, a lot of stuff milling around.
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  Speaker 4: I'll admit I kind of stayed tucked away in the
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  Speaker 4: hotel room until it all that. I woke up this morning,
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  Speaker 4: the streets were cleared, they were sweeping everything up.
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  Speaker 2: It's officially over. So now I can participate in the
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans that I.
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  Speaker 4: Love, which is the foodie like so I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 4: to sampling that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm good with mighty grind on that that's not
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  Speaker 2: my jam.
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  Speaker 5: All those people were wanting to know if the Jaguars
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  Speaker 5: were going to go defensive tackle. No, that's right in
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  Speaker 5: the second, Yeah, they miss out. They knew Bucky Brooks
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  Speaker 5: was there a lot of JAG's knowledge.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good. I'm good with it all. I'm excited
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  Speaker 4: that it's all done. Everyone can go back to their
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  Speaker 4: respective areas and I can kind of have the French
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  Speaker 4: Quarter to myself and kind of make my way around
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  Speaker 4: the Tech no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Now to the actual prospects of the Legacy ball, who's
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  Speaker 3: stid it out so far? I mean, what kind of
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  Speaker 3: event has this evolved to be over the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a cool event just because like you have
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  Speaker 2: all the black colleges.
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  Speaker 4: Represented, you have a cool coaching staff. But in looking
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  Speaker 4: at the prospects, you're talking about the lord wrong. Now,
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, the Jaguars were able to
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  Speaker 4: get like a Deshaun Dixon who came from like north
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  Speaker 4: of state and lasted on the practice squad roster for
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  Speaker 4: a few years.
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  Speaker 2: So there are level of players that are like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a running back t J.
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  Speaker 4: Allen from Virginia Union that has So it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 4: because now, just like Bowl games and everything, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of guys are on the roster, but a lot of
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  Speaker 4: guys are sitting out.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll sort through it and see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 2: But right now it's more of a festive event, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll see if there's some.
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  Speaker 4: Scouting that can be done where we can identify some.
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  Speaker 2: Players that can help the Jacks and.
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  Speaker 3: Others, and then next week the NFL Scouting Combine. Bucky
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  Speaker 3: Brooks is a legend in Indianapolis as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: I do know this the combine for Bucky, it's like Vegas.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: You know, if you go to Vegas, if your high role,
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: you don't pay for your hotel. For Bucky, that's what India.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Would you like to penthouse suite or the Yeah, it
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: is all.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Kind of like I would. I would like to be
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: treated as the king of the combine.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: There's something that comes with it, Like they've been going
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: for years.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I think I've been going since two thousand.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: Like at some point it should be a goal watch
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: and some other things that land on my pillow when.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Chick into the room.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, like there should be something for status and
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: stability to be able to consistently do it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: I will give up my gold watch this year. This
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: will be the first combine I haven't been to since
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: two thousand and one.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Matter of fact, how about that?
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: So yeah, tell everybody I said.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Hey, you're giving up, you're giving up the status.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Huh yeah, the uh you know, the staff's really not
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: going so Jaguars media.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Is really nice.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting I'm going, uh though, I'm going on
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: my own how about that? So I'll see you there, Bucky.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you know, make sure make sure we connect,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: get together.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be fun, no doubt.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: And this is an interesting philosophy now because it's the
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: whole Rams thing and Ladstone we're talking about, you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: taking personality and things out of the equation and evaluation
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: of your players on your own team. Well, they want
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: to take that out of the pre draft evaluation too,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: and having all these you know moments in the off
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: season when you sit down with prospects and things start
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: with a tape.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: And I guess that's the philosophy here, buck Well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I mean it makes it makes a lot of sense,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Like if you really want to do it, there are
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of teams that have done this in the past,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: but you don't.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Want to be overly influenced by what you see in
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the workouts. And sometimes what can happen is you can
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: see someone run fast, jump y, dominate.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: The underwear Olympics, and it sways the way that you
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: view them as a player.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, you want to evaluate.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Players for how they play, how they play in pass,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: but they look like playing.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: The game, and there are no games to participate in.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So look at the tape, dig into the tape.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Evaluate them as players. The workout stuff is just kind
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: of like the icing on the cake. But ultimately you
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: want to pick the best players and the guys that fit.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: What you're trying to build in Jacksonville.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: This probably feels early, but since we're not really going
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: to the comment, there's not a whole lot to dig into.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: At fifty six, Bucky, I really talked you about the draft,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: not who are they taking, but you've seen they draft
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: fifty fifty six and then and three third round picks.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: What conceptually for the fan who's just looking, how can
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: the Jags get better in the draft? What areas? What
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: approach do you take with those maybe four picks, the
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Day one and Day two picks. How do you navigate that?
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: So what's interesting is as I'm looking at my trusting
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: notebook with all my prospects. Okay, so let's just talk
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: about the two positions that we mentioned when it came
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: to running back, and linebacker being positions of potential.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Need well running back like look, as we know the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: sweet spot from running back to the second round, and.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: So there can be some running back that certainly can
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: come off the board in that Like there's uh Jenerium
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Price running back from Notre Dame will be in the mix.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Emma Johnson from Nebraska could potentially be there. You have
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: other guys like Jonah Coleman running back from Washington that
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: could be in place. So those are your day two
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: guys that could could fall in those categories. Same thing
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: when it comes to linebacker, like Cincinnati as a guy
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Jake Golday could kind of to build and do some
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: of the things that Devin does. Anthony Hill from Texas.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of people that come of fall
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: in that thing. And one of the things that we
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: talked about when we talked about the decision and why
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the guys may be doing it, is because the combine
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: happens right before free agency. But in kind of issueing
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: going to the combat, you can have these conversations about
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: what does this draft have, who's available in.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Free agent, and how does that compare it to potentially
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: what we could be losing. The draft is strong in
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: some areas.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, well it's strong in an area where we are
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: of need, so maybe we can let someone walk because
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: we can find the youngest player there.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Those things are there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: And then when we talk about the officeive line class, interior.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Office of linemen are plentiful. There's some tackles.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of positions that marry up in
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the draft to what the Jaguars potentially to need based
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: on how the roster is constructive.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: After how do you?
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: It is an impossible question, but people are asking me,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: So I'll ask Bucky, who knows more about football than
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: I do. Do you is there a chance they try
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: to package picks and move back up. That's way too
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: general and it's impossible to know. I get, but I
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: guess just philosophically, you spent more time in scouting rooms
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: and talking to gms than I have.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it depends on who are
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the players that you like.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So before you can get to moving up and making
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: those decisions is trying to figure out who are the
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: players that are wanting this draft? Okay, and if this
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: player is going to be available in this range, what
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: are we willing to give up? So some of the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: mock drafting that you see internally is designed to be like, oh,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: who are the clussest the players that could be? There
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: is anybody worth us moving up? What preliminarily would it
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: require us to get that? I think it's an ongoing situation.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: In a perfect world, you want to get the players
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that you want, and we've seen James is willing to
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: give up what he needs to give up to get
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the target to player. We saw that last year with
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Travis Hunters. It's just a matter of identifying who are
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: those players they deem to be the right kind of
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: guys the Jags, and then seeing where they value them
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and do they value them enough to give up some
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: later conversation to make sure they get the guys that
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: they want, or do they have a lot of similarly
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: grated players where it doesn't really matter and they'll sit
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: and pick. So all of that comes down to.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: How they evaluate the class, and then they make the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: decisions based on how they evaluate the class.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I have one more. It might be it might be
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: a non combine question, but I lived in Indiana for
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: ten years. My son is sort of a quasi hoo's
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: your fans, so we sort of followed IU.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Is that quarterback the number one overall pickbuck? I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I know he's gonna be, but does he translate?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I just don't know. He doesn't. So here's what happens.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: He's the best quarterback in a class that is very,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: very weak at quarterback. And the challenge that you have
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: is how do you evaluate him if he was stepping
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it apart from this class versus the other guy. He
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: doesn't have what we would call transcendent talent. He is
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: in some way that if we lined him up with Trevor,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Trevor would check the boxers and all the categories. It
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: was the side by side tailor the tape the one
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: thing that he possesses. Look, he has great decision making
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: and processing in those things. But the arm strength isn't elite,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: the athleticism isn't elite.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: He's done a really good job playing within the system.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: But if I told you like an elite quarterback last year,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: in eleven of.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The sixteen games they played, he had nineteen or fewer
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: pass attempts.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: If I told you he had like one three hundred
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: yard game last year for the National Champs, that wouldn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: excite you. Because the one thing that we don't know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: we don't know if he can carry it. And when
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: you look at him, and I think it's important that
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: when guys are looking at quarterbacks, compare him.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: To what would play in the playoffs.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: How would Fernando Mendozo and match up with Josh Allen,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Sevor Lawrence, how would he match up with Matthew Stafford.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I mean even like Sam Domovan Dooz. Guys, if you
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: do it alone, where does he rank? And so the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Raiders will likely take him number one overall, but it
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that in a generational draft that he would
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: be picked number one.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: He's the best of what they have and so they're taken.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: But you have to be careful in that because whenever
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: you take somebody there, that comes a level of expectation
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: that they're going to do and be something else. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I just don't see him as that kind of play.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: With you know who. I know he matches up well
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: against Bucky.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, uh huh, and every other team they
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: played this year too, no doubt about that. Pre draft
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: season is here, Bucky. I'll see you in Indy next
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: week and we can record something similar to huddle up
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: in radio row me and you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Like the good old ding.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, make sure you bring your Jaguars sweatshirt. I want
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to make sure you're properly drift.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure you have yours because you
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: got your raiders.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: When we know that for a fact he's a Fernando guy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently, so you know the law them out Fernando Bucky.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Thanks all but.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks, John Osram, J. P.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Shadwick, thanks for listening to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.