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Kimmel Wins, Tylenol Loses · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lemmon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, we'll talk about Trump's touching eulogy for
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk that included the president's moving declaration that he
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  Speaker 1: hates many of us. The news that Jimmy Kimmel's show
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  Speaker 1: will return to ABC despite threats from the government. And
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  Speaker 1: the absolutely insane announcement from Trump and RFK Jr. about
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  Speaker 1: the supposed dangers of Tylenol and childhood vaccines. But let's
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  Speaker 1: start with what should be the biggest scandal in the
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  Speaker 1: country right now. The president is firing prosecutors. who refused
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  Speaker 1: to arrest Americans on his enemies list for crimes that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't commit. Months ago, Trump picked Eric Siebert to
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  Speaker 1: be a U.S. attorney in Virginia. Siebert was ordered to
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  Speaker 1: investigate New York Attorney General Tish James for alleged mortgage
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  Speaker 1: fraud and former FBI Director James Comey for allegedly lying
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  Speaker 1: to Congress. Siebert looked at all the evidence and determined
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  Speaker 1: that neither James nor Comey had committed any crimes. When
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  Speaker 1: Trump found that out, he wanted Siebert fired. By Friday night,
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  Speaker 1: he was gone. On Saturday, Trump posted a statement that
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  Speaker 1: was specifically addressed to his attorney general, in which he
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  Speaker 1: admitted that Siebert, who he called a, quote, woke rhino,
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  Speaker 1: was pushed out because he wouldn't charge James or Comey. Quote, Pam,
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  Speaker 1: what about Comey, Adam Shifty Schiff, Letitia? They're all guilty
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  Speaker 1: as hell. We can't delay any longer. It's killing our
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  Speaker 1: reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice and indicted me
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  Speaker 1: five times, exclamation, over nothing. Justice must be served now.
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  Speaker 1: In case there was any confusion, Trump reiterated the sentiment
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  Speaker 1: several times over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Are you disappointed that the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern
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  Speaker 4: District of Virginia has not prosecuted Letitia James? Do you
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  Speaker 4: intend to fire him? Well, we're going to see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: I am not following it very closely. It looks to
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  Speaker 4: me like she's very guilty of something. I said, pull it,
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  Speaker 4: because he can't be any good.
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  Speaker 3: So you want him fired?
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  Speaker 5: You want him out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want him out, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: In regards to Pam Bondi, who should she focus on
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  Speaker 5: as far as bringing accountability?
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  Speaker 6: Everybody. Really.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big office. She's doing a good job.
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  Speaker 5: I'd focus on everybody.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of crooked people that were.
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  Speaker 4: Here before me.
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  Speaker 1: In the normal world that we once lived in, I
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  Speaker 1: think this would clearly be an impeachable offense. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: surprised by the scheme itself. It's still shocking how Trump
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  Speaker 1: is just publicly stating that. that he wants people he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like charged with crimes they didn't commit. Just very
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  Speaker 1: open about it. But what was your reaction to this insanity, Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're old enough to remember that normal world.
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  Speaker 2: It was 2006. The Bush administration fired eight U.S. attorneys.
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  Speaker 2: They claimed it was for performance reasons. We later learned
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  Speaker 2: it was because the White House wanted them gone because
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  Speaker 2: they weren't vigorously investigating voter fraud cases against Democrats. And
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  Speaker 2: I think they were too vigorously investigating other Republicans. And
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  Speaker 2: it grew to be such a big scandal that Alberto Gonzalez,
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  Speaker 2: the attorney general at the time, had to resign. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a huge stain on the Bush administration. And
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  Speaker 2: this is so much worse than that because- That sounds quaint.
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  Speaker 2: This is Trump telling every US attorney, every prosecutor, every
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  Speaker 2: DOJ employee that if they don't find ways to prosecute
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  Speaker 2: his enemies, he will fire all of them. Again, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, these are absurd charges. These date back to 2016.
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  Speaker 2: And Comey, what they're trying to say is that Comey
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  Speaker 2: made false statements to Congress and in 2020 about Russian
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  Speaker 2: interference in the 2016 election and whether or not the
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  Speaker 2: Steele dossier should have been a part of it or
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  Speaker 2: some stupid bullshit. And it's just pure Trump grievance. This
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  Speaker 2: is him just ticking through the enemies list and using
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  Speaker 2: the power of the government to get revenge on all
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  Speaker 2: of the people he hates.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they charged me five times. They impeached me.
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  Speaker 3: He's describing a whole constellation of unrelated human beings, government levels, institutions.
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  Speaker 3: he's not describing any particular crimes even related to that, right?
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  Speaker 3: He wants them going after Tish James for unrelated reasons.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they're going after Lisa Cook. Adam Schiff has
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  Speaker 3: been accused of a whole sundry list of crimes. And
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting that even Todd Blanche, who's Trump's former attorney,
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  Speaker 3: now deputy attorney general, apparently tried to persuade Trump to
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  Speaker 3: not go through with this in part because apparently Siebert
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  Speaker 3: has been cooperative on a number of immigration, uh, immigration issues, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like he's not, uh, he's not, he's not a Trump
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  Speaker 3: stooge apparently. Uh, well, he's not so far willing to
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  Speaker 3: go so far as to just drum up fake charges
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  Speaker 3: against Adam Schiff, but he's not somebody who's like some
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  Speaker 3: lefty deep inside the government. But even Blanche was overruled
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  Speaker 3: in part because Trump feels like in the first term
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  Speaker 3: he did what the, uh, uh, he occasionally bent to
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  Speaker 3: people telling him not to do things like firing us attorneys.
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  Speaker 3: And he feels like after he was investigated. And so
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  Speaker 3: therefore he holds the whole idea of independence as being
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  Speaker 3: dangerous to him because he constantly commits prosecutable offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this isn't the first time this has happened.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, remember the guy who originally admitted that the
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  Speaker 1: government made a mistake in deporting Kilmer Obrego Garcia. He
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  Speaker 1: was out. There was the U.S. attorney in Tennessee who
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't bring the fake case against Kilmer Obrego Garcia that
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  Speaker 1: they the charges that they drummed up. He's gone. Danielle
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  Speaker 1: Sassoon in New York, who was prosecuting Eric Adams and
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  Speaker 1: refused to drop that case because they wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: a quid pro quo with Eric Adams. So this is
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  Speaker 1: like happening all over the place. It's also interesting. You
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Todd Blanche didn't want it to happen. The people
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  Speaker 1: who are pushing it the hardest, Bill Pulte, who is the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the mortgage fraud king. Yeah, the obvious person
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  Speaker 1: to tell DOJ what to do. Yeah, so he's running around.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to get all the enemies on mortgage fraud,
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  Speaker 1: even though his own parents and Scott Besson and a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of other people have committed what he's alleging
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  Speaker 1: that the people who didn't actually commit it have committed.
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  Speaker 1: And Ed Martin, the former January 6th attorney, who's now
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  Speaker 1: the fucking lunatic that couldn't even get confirmed for Jeanine
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  Speaker 1: Pirro's job. So now he's the weaponization attorney. At DOJ.
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  Speaker 1: So these are the two lunatics now pushing him on this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the president of the United States is just
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  Speaker 1: out there saying, here's my political enemies. I've decided they're guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Make it so.
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  Speaker 2: And writing it in a tweet to the point where
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  Speaker 2: people are like, is this a DM?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a mistaken DM.
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  Speaker 2: It reminded me of like a washed up quarterback who
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  Speaker 2: just got on Twitter who was trying to like send
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  Speaker 2: a woman in a city he's visiting.
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  Speaker 3: We're so past.
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  Speaker 2: A new... No, just a quick note. Hey, Jan, what
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  Speaker 2: are you up to this weekend? I'm thinking of a
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  Speaker 2: specific example. I remember that example.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's... I saw people saying that... It didn't occur
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  Speaker 3: to me that it... I just think it's evil to
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  Speaker 3: me that Trump DMs, but maybe he does. But also,
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  Speaker 3: then I thought to myself, is it possible that even
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  Speaker 3: in his private correspondence he refers to him as Shifty Shift?
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  Speaker 3: That we don't actually know where the performance ends.
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  Speaker 1: Good chance.
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  Speaker 3: But I didn't take it to me. I didn't think
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  Speaker 3: it was a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't either.
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  Speaker 3: He's so... There's such a, look, he is doing, he
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  Speaker 3: is cocky. He's performing this kind of bluster. Like he's like,
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  Speaker 3: nobody will object. Nobody will stop him. And he hopes
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  Speaker 3: that by asserting it, it becomes true. And he does
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  Speaker 3: like benefit from the fact that like, this is a
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  Speaker 3: Watergate in a public post. It used to, it should
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  Speaker 3: have taken journalists a whole Robert Redford film worth of
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  Speaker 3: investigation into figuring out that the president was willing to
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  Speaker 3: say this behind the scenes. He does so in public
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  Speaker 3: and he benefits from it because he does it in
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  Speaker 3: the open.
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  Speaker 2: And if you read the tweet, he says, I've reviewed
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  Speaker 2: over 30 statements and posts saying like same old thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it seems like he just read it. He just raged.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. He read a bunch of angry. I've
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  Speaker 2: been scrolling all day.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's like guilty as hell.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Republicans in Congress are just up in arms
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  Speaker 1: about this, right? Mark Wayne Mullen was interviewed over the
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  Speaker 1: weekend on the Sunday shows and was asked like, what
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  Speaker 1: about the president just announcing that he's going after his
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  Speaker 1: enemies and he's firing people until he gets an indictment?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, well, President Trump is very open and transparent
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  Speaker 1: with the American people, and he speaks his mind. That's
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  Speaker 1: what his supporters love about him. That's where we are.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying it out in the open, so that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is what people wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole story of the Trump administration, 2.0, frankly.
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  Speaker 2: It's all happened in the open.
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  Speaker 1: It's all happened in the open. But it's like, also,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I know that Trump... Remember the line, my
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  Speaker 1: success will be my vengeance, that will be my best revenge,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to go after people even though
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  Speaker 1: I could, and all that bullshit? Yes, and.
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  Speaker 3: And they did that right because they did view this
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  Speaker 3: as a liability and they pretend they don't, they pretend
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  Speaker 3: they don't have liabilities, but they do. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he went out to the cameras to try to clean
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  Speaker 3: this up a little bit and say like, well, you know, say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think that whatever I think is, it's
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  Speaker 3: what the DOJ thinks, right? So he's like trying to
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  Speaker 3: get out there and have, have it both ways.
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  Speaker 2: Siebert is.
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  Speaker 1: has been replaced at least temporarily with Lindsay Halligan, another
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  Speaker 1: one of Trump's former defense attorneys turned White House staffers
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  Speaker 1: who has absolutely zero experience as a prosecutor, has never
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  Speaker 1: been a prosecutor. And she got the job. The Times
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  Speaker 1: also reports that the White House is now focused on
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. attorney in Maryland, Kelly Hayes. who did agree
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  Speaker 1: to the warrant for the FBI raid of John Bolton's house,
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  Speaker 1: but isn't so sure there's enough evidence to bring a
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  Speaker 1: case against Adam Schiff. One of the prosecutors who worked
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  Speaker 1: for Siebert said to the Washington Post, quote, In terms
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  Speaker 1: of what Trump wants, the end result is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the same. If you don't have the evidence, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have the prosecutors, and you don't have the grand
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  Speaker 1: jury all on the same page, it doesn't matter who's
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  Speaker 1: in the office. Does that give either of you any
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  Speaker 1: comfort that maybe there are limits to what Trump can
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  Speaker 1: do here, or still pretty awful?
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  Speaker 2: None whatsoever. No comfort here. I mean, these investigations, they
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  Speaker 2: can bankrupt you. They can last for years. They can
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  Speaker 2: intrude into all parts of your private life and lead
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  Speaker 2: to the release of information or personal correspondence that could
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  Speaker 2: embarrass you. It can harm your family. It can harm
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  Speaker 2: your business associates. Like it's just like the best case
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  Speaker 2: is an endless political investigation. And there's a worse version
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  Speaker 2: that we don't really talk about because it seems kind
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  Speaker 2: of paranoid. It seems like something Donald Trump would say.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a version where a government official distorts some
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  Speaker 2: evidence or plant some evidence on you to please Mr. Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think we can rule that out. It's
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  Speaker 2: also like, it's just worth noting that Adam Schiff was
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  Speaker 2: elected to provide oversight to the Trump administration, specifically FBI.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we just saw Kash Patel screaming at him
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  Speaker 2: at a hearing. And now in the back of his mind,
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  Speaker 2: he and his staff are all worried that them doing
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  Speaker 2: the jobs that Schiff was elected to do could put
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  Speaker 2: them even further in the crosshairs. Like this is a bad,
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  Speaker 2: bad situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like I want to believe that these are protections. And
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  Speaker 3: I think in some ways they are, like we've seen
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  Speaker 3: this over and over again, like you know, lawyers who
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  Speaker 3: make all kinds of outlandish claims in the public square
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  Speaker 3: in front of a judge are afraid to do so
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  Speaker 3: because they know that there are licenses on the line
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  Speaker 3: and there's a standard they're still held to in a courtroom. Also,
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  Speaker 3: the Venn diagram of people willing to do Trump's bidding
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  Speaker 3: to such a degree and people that are capable, effective, smart,
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  Speaker 3: able to, like, be an effective prosecutor, there's probably not
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  Speaker 3: as much overlap in there as Trump would want. That's
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  Speaker 3: a good thing, right? Like, There's a reason Kash Patel
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  Speaker 3: is both a kind of flunky for Trump and also incompetent, right?
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  Speaker 3: There's like, these are groups that have overlap more so
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  Speaker 3: than the hyper-competent. They have some of those too. But
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  Speaker 3: the part that's really scary to me is there's a
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  Speaker 3: reason that we don't, that political prosecutions are so dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: And it's because we understand that everybody's a person. People
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  Speaker 3: make mistakes and if you put the evil eye of
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement on someone just because you don't like their politics,
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  Speaker 3: just because they've come after you, just because you're an enemy,
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  Speaker 3: they may find something. And we all understand that justice
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  Speaker 3: is imperfect and that not every crime everywhere will be
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  Speaker 3: found and that we rely on some kind of even-handedness
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  Speaker 3: in it because we understand that once an investigation begins,
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  Speaker 3: you have no idea where it's going to leave. Like
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  Speaker 3: who knows what the, yes, everybody's, all these people are
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  Speaker 3: apparently declaring and not, and by the way, not, it's
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  Speaker 3: not so far the people they've claimed, but like, regardless,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's lots of people out there that have
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  Speaker 3: claimed a second home as their primary residence. Maybe they
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  Speaker 3: should be found out for that, but not just because
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  Speaker 3: they happen to be on the wrong side of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's tempting to say, okay, well, if, uh,
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  Speaker 1: if some prosecutor figures out a way to get an
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  Speaker 1: indictment in a Maryland or Virginia, then, uh, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: grand or, you know, maybe they'll get a grand jury
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  Speaker 1: like they have in D.C. that refuses to indict.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or then if the jury does indict, then you get
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  Speaker 1: to a judge and none of these judges in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: or Maryland or Virginia are actually going to take this case.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to laugh it out of the courtroom. And
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  Speaker 1: like that could be true in a lot of cases.
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  Speaker 1: But take the long view of where this is going.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They're already, you know, in the New York Times lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: that just got thrown out. You know, they shop for
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  Speaker 1: the forum.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They did some forum shopping and found a judge and
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  Speaker 1: they were hoping to get Eileen Cannon in Tampa, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: or one of our Eileen Cannon type judge in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: So at some point they can find a grand jury
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  Speaker 1: in a red area of the country with a judge
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  Speaker 1: who's a, not a, not a first term Trump judge,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe a second term Trump judge and a really
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  Speaker 1: bad prosecutor. And as fanciful as Tommy's fear about planting
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  Speaker 1: evidence may sound like, I don't know, are we that
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  Speaker 1: far away?
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, like what's, you know, once you get enough Trump
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  Speaker 1: stooges in enough federal judgeships and enough prosecutors, like this
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  Speaker 1: starts becoming more real. And just because you dodge a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of political prosecutions now doesn't mean that we can
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  Speaker 1: do that down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you fight all this out in Alina Haba's masterclass.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I like, to me, this is a, and I know
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to Warren about this and we're not, but like,
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  Speaker 1: this is another thing where I saw over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Schumer's like asking for a meeting with
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump to negotiate government shutdown. And then this happens
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, this is the path to dictatorship. It's like, good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I get that. And then, and then on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: it's time for a meeting.
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  Speaker 7: With Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, if there's, there's not a good reason
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  Speaker 1: as any to not fund this kind of government that's
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  Speaker 1: doing this. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to get into it, but I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else to be done about this.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: This is a, it's an impeachable offense. It's obviously not
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: going to be looked at in Congress because Republicans control Congress.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I guess it's another reason to make sure that we
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: win the fucking midterms. Because if Republicans can keep control
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: in Congress, they're going to appoint more of these judges.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: God forbid they get rid of the filibuster and start
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: actually coming up with laws that some of these prosecutors
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: and juries are going to be like, oh, they did
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: break that law, that crazy law that they just passed.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: So really, it's a good reason to go out and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: work hard to win the midterms. The other side of
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the coin here is that Trump's abusing his power not
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: just to punish his enemies, but to help his friends.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: We also learned this weekend that Tom Homan, Trump's border czar,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: was recorded a year ago accepting a $ 50, 000 bribe from
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: FBI agents posing as businessmen who were seeking border security contracts.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Homan was a private citizen at the time, but he'd
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: served as Trump's acting director of ICE during the first
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: term and had every reason to believe he would be
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: in a position of power during a second term. MSNBC
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: reported that, quote, several FBI and justice officials believed that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: they had a strong criminal case against Homan for conspiracy
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: to commit bribery, according to four people familiar with the probe.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: But of course, once Trump won the election, took office,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: appointed home, and as borders are, the DOJ mysteriously dropped
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the case. So, you know, as the saying goes, for
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: my friends, everything, for my enemies, the law, I guess
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Republicans are cool with public officials taking bribes so long
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: as they do a good job locking up immigrants without
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: due process.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: That's how that works.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one part of the story that was strange,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: which is, so this happens... And then they said they
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: wanted to wait to see if he gets a job
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: in the administration and pursues it further. And I just
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: want to understand what was happening in those weeks before
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Trump takes office, after you have him taking 50 grand
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: in a fucking kava bag. But then you're just going
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to wait and see where it goes. And I just like, well,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: here's where we are, right? We have like, they take
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: office and they apparently shut down the investigation. But like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I do feel like There's some very important context that
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: we don't yet have.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: It sounds like the deal was if you take the cash,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you have to deliver on the quo. You get the quid,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: but you got to do the quo. You got to
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: deliver the contracts. And that's what they're waiting on, according
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to all the reporting.
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: But he took the $ 50, 000 in a bag.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: If he can't deliver on the bribe, he still took
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the bribe, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: You can't give somebody... I know, I'm just saying that's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: what they said.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I know, I know that's what they were saying.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Were they going to go find him? My takeaways were,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: first of all, lock him up for eating kava. That
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: is just like the most mid fucking food. Also, no
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: one has ever looked like a more, like a corrupt
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: New York cop more than Tom Homan. I mean... You
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? You look like he's going to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: pull you over and smash your taillight and then like
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: give you a ticket for it or like kick down
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: your bodega door and rifle through your cash register. He
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: just like looked... It's also like the... it just like,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it was such an old school corruption scandal too, you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: like an MSM, mainstream media scoop, FBI sting. I don't know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: As classic a story as you get, if you give
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: me this cash, I'll do your bidding for a government contract.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Like that is, that is like, That's the classic. Remember
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: what's his name, Jefferson, who had the money in the freezer?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Whenever there's like a brick of cash.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: In an interesting place, there was that- Bob Menendez, the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: gold bars.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gold bars. Like this is classic stuff.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: This is classic stuff. And now the White House has
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: sort of outright denied it. And yet apparently there's video
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: of it. So we'd love to see that video and
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: love to see the video and then come to understand
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the explanation for the Kava bag of cash.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The last paragraph of the MSNBC story sort of
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: cleared up because I'm like, oh, so he wasn't a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: public official at the time. So what'd you have to do?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: They asked legal experts about a hypothetical situation similar to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the Homan probe. They said a person who promises to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: influence federal contracts when they become a public official can't
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: be charged under the federal bribery statutes until they are
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: named or appointed. But they could be– like there was
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a possible conspiracy charge that they could do, so they
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: were just weighing them. I'm sure that the– whoever– before
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Trump took office, they're just like, this is not a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: strong enough case to go.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That's a Merrick Garland shit right there.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, it's still a crime, however, for anyone
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to seek money to improperly influence federal contracts, whether they're
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a public official or not. That's what I was looking for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You're telling me you have a former Trump official,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: someone who's about to enter the administration.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, because it was September of 24, so we
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: Well, right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But then he's elected.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Then Trump is elected. I mean, like, there's months before
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Trump takes office, right? I don't remember exactly when Homan
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: found out he was going to be appointed, but he
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: was right when he took the fucking bribe to suggest
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: he'd have a good shot at being in power.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he nailed that one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Must have been after that VP debate.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Once everyone, look, everyone knows that Tim Walsh nodding was
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the thing that fucking clinched it. You know what?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Actually, no, it was the morning of the view.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Not enough daylight.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Not enough daylight.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Homan's back, baby.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Give me the cash.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: But so what I'm trying to wrap my mind around
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: is like, okay, great. You want to build a good case.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: You're just watching this guy go from private citizen to
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: public official. You have it on tape that he took
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: 50 grand. You're not making that information available publicly. to
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the public? Like, what's the, I like, I've just, I,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and again, I say this, like, I'm genuinely, I'm not like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I want the answer. I want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: understand why, why this was allowed to go all the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: way to the point at which Donald Trump is now
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: in charge of this agency.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It is like, I was like half kidding. It is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: shocking and old school. Cause it's like cash in a,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I assume brown paper bag. Cause it's shitty ass Kava,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, then you get, you read the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: New York times and the report is like, uh, clearly
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration cut a quid pro quo with the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates where the UAE bought $ 2 billion worth
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of Trump family crypto in an exchange. We give them
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: advanced AI chips.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It's like 50 grand. You fucking fag. You call that money?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's nothing.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Can you just talk about like the, um, again, this
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: is sort of like Trump being out in the open
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: about wanting to prosecute enemies. The reaction to this from
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Republican Maga world. Can we, uh, Megan Kelly, uh, who
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is purportedly a lawyer and purportedly a journalist, her first
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: reaction to the news. We do not care. Don't bother
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Tom Homan. He's a national treasure.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: We're just fully tribal. I just thought that was a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: crazy response.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And at some point in one of her long missives
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: about this, she said, oh, there's like no credible evidence
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: according to, I guess, Trump's own now law enforcement. So
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: she used that as to justify why she said we
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: don't care.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I also like this.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Who is the we you're speaking for?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: We?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: A lot of we's.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about the Kirk Memorial Service, too.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: But everything in the last two weeks has become a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: lot of they's. And they is in us.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Can I read you something from an insufferable woke lib
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: who wrote about this day issue? No, Charlie Kirk wasn't
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: killed by them. They didn't pull the trigger. One person did.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Apparently young man driven by impulse and a terrible hate.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: If they were involved, law enforcement would find them and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the justice system would hold them accountable. Carl Rove.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it happened when, you know, Tim Miller like
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: responded to Megyn Kelly's crazy thing about like, we don't care. And,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and she, and she wrote back to him, we don't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: trust you. We don't trust the work of your president's DOJ.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: One of yours killed Charlie. And then you laughed at
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: our pain and then it went on and on and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: on forever. But it's just like really just dangerous.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It's like brain rot. Again, like you look at like
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the poll, like brain rot is the enemy of the Republic.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It comes for all of us. It comes for people that, that, that, that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: that are like in politics. It comes for politicians, big,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: big famous media personalities like brain rot, it does not care.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: It doesn't care how much money you have, how much
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: power you've had, how much power you've gained in politics.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And it's like really, it's like really disturbing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Can I just say for my money, the best corruption
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: scandal narrative has been Tiffany Trump's father-in-law. What's his name?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Masoud Boulos or something like that. So there's a story
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: about him just making up that he's a billionaire, apparently.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And then there was the one over the other day
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: where Tiffany Trump and her husband We're on a mega
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: yacht owned by a foreign billionaire oil trader. It's just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: a great little subplot.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I just, the Holman thing gets me so, it's just brazen.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Especially like how they're treating people that are detained in
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this country, detaining U.S. citizens, detaining legal residents, shipping them
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: off to horrific fucking detention centers, inhumane conditions. And then
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this guy's like, $.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: 50, 000, great.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Release the home and files.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: $ 50, 000 to do a contract that was probably like build
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: an ICE detention center that is just essentially dog cages.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: We should say that there is audio tape of this.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: There is security cameras that saw this, according to the story.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be a hard one to cover
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: up because someone somewhere. We had footage of Jeffrey Epstein
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: getting offed. At least we saw the foot. At least
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: something to.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Find out that the kava's second angle was set down
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: and the person behind the register had fallen asleep. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: there's no mysterious Hohman-like shape moving with a brick of cash.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It should be one that Congress should be able to subpoena,
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  Speaker 1: all-consuming obsession with revenge to a funeral over the weekend
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: when he spoke at Charlie Kirk's memorial service in Phoenix.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: About 90,000 people were in attendance, including Trump's cabinet, tons
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of Republican electeds, right-wing media stars, Elon Musk, who was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: seen chatting with Trump for the first time since the breakup.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: The service had the feel of an evangelical megachurch at times,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: with speakers like J.D. Vance calling Kirk, quote, a martyr
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: for the Christian faith. Kirk's widow, Erica, who will now
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: run Turning Point USA, said, gave a speech where she
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: actually forgave her husband's killer and said that the answer
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to hate is not hate, a message that didn't really
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: land with the event's headliner, Donald Trump. Let's listen to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: those two clips.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: like the one who took his life.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: I forgive him.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: He did not hate his opponents.
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: with Charlie.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I hate my opponent.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: And I don't want the best for them.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I am sorry, Erica.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Lovely. Just lovely.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It kind of landed like a joke in the room,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: but it's not funny anymore.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was trying to be glib and
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: funny in the moment, saying, I'm not like him, I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: a worse person.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Context cues, sir.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: But he does, but then it's sort of like, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: don't you?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: It's weird to run into your ex at a memorial service,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you know? It's one of the, yeah. But that's why
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you gotta be cordial.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: It's a good place to be cordial. It's where you're cordial,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It's your dress wall. There are jokes that aren't really jokes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All of his jokes aren't really jokes.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Al Franken used to call it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a little past the meant it as a joke
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: stuff with him anymore.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, Al Franken had this term. It was called kidding
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: on the square. He tried to get that to take off.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: That's what that is. Kidding on the square.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It's also like.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It's a joke, but he means it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: We had an assassination. The country is like on the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: brink of... And the President of the United States goes
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to the memorial service and is like, I hate my opponents.
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: It's pretty.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't disagree at all. I'm just saying
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: how it landed in the room. They all laughed at it,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: which is kind of a surprising reaction to me.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I bet it was kind of the nervous titter laugh.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: What did you say?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Like, what is happening? What did you guys make of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the event?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I watched a bunch of it today. It was really
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: two parts. It was part genuine religious service, like megachurch
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: band stuff. praise music, et cetera. And then there was
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: this whole, uh, uh, uh, Trump rally basically. And the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Erica Kirk speech was entirely about the personal, their marriage,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: his Charlie's faith. Um, that was a genuinely powerful moment,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: like forgiving her husband's killer just was in the, um, uh,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the manual AME church shooting in 2015 when the families
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: of the victims forgave the murderer. Um, but again, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: counted nine Trump family, uh, staff or cabinet speakers. So
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: we had Sergio Gore, real headliner, Stephen Miller, Tulsi Gabbard,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, Hegseth, RFK, Don Jr., J.D. Vance, Trump. Then
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: there were like media people like Tucker Carlson. There were
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: placards like you'd see at an RNC. There was giant
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: like sparkler firework type things. There was TPUSA branding everywhere.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And like I'm a wasp from New England, as you
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: guys know. So I find that kind of melding of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: religion and politics very uncomfortable. But it didn't seem to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: bother anybody in that room. And I know it's kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: of standard in Republican politics at this point. So it
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: was an odd event. I mean one– Interesting takeaway just
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: from watching it is a lot of the speakers, like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the overtly political messaging was almost secondary. The hard emphasis
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: was on like, get married, have a family, follow Christ.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: It was more like existential stuff, speaking to meaning and purpose.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And I just, I'm not saying we should make those
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: arguments specifically, but it was kind of notable that there's
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: all these young people. who feel like disconnected and disaffected
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and the void in their life and a lack of purpose.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And they were speaking to that first. And we do
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: need to find a way to co-opt some of that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Because I do think like Charlie Kirk was very good
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: at talking about populist economic stuff, but I haven't heard
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of Democrats, maybe James Tarrico is one of them,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: talking about kind of like, the void people are feeling
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in young people, young men in particular. Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: It's funny.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I had the same, I had the same notes. Uh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: first of all, the, the, uh, Erica Kirk speech as
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: just a speech I thought was just excellent. It was, uh,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: like it was, I think very well written. She had
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: a point she wanted to make. Um, and you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: you can take issue with how she describes her, uh,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: deceased husband's politics, but as just a, uh, uh, as
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: a way of conveying a story she was trying to tell.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I thought it was like beautifully done. And the part
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: that does jump out is that part. And I was
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: thinking about him watching this sort of like kind of
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: revival-like events where so many people had turned out. And,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: you know, Van says, oh, he was martyred for the
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Christian faith. I don't know about that. But these people
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: are turning out because Charlie Kirk was martyred. If he
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: was killed for his views by this person, who was
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: radicalized against him, and we need to get more details.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: But he was martyred, and it did bring a lot
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: of people out, and it does give people the opportunity
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: to tell the story they want to tell about him.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: That's what happens.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: That's part of what political violence can do. But in
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: watching it, you see that, like, you know, what is
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: right-wing politics offering right now, this version of it? And
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: it is, yes, this is the Trump piece of it, like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: revenge on your enemies and And yes, it's like, it's order, right?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Promising you in an uncertain, dangerous world that there can
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: be control and there can be safety and that feeling
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: of uncertainty you have, like there's an answer and we're
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the answer. But there is the third part of it,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: which is meaning, which is like, we will help tell
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a story, not just of the country, but of you
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and where you fit into this time if you don't
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: feel like your life has that connection. And so many
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: decades of message testing and consulting-driven language on the left
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: has drained so much of the moral language out of
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: democratic politics, which is another way of saying we have
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: drained the meaning out of democratic politics. And I had
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the same reaction as you to watching this, which is, yes,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it's not that we have to have our version of
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: this idea about have a family, whatever. We don't need
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: to figure out.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the exact overtly religious, right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Or overtly religious, but like there, we have taken morality
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: out of a lot of our political language, you know, we, and,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and I do think it leaves us in moments, especially
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: like this, especially on the left, there's a sort of
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: kind of like tinniness to how we respond to things.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And I do think that in some ways flows from
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the fact that like, we don't have an answer for
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: this third piece of it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a, there's a moral language, even to politics,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: even if you're not religious that I think we seed
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: by like, saying, okay, religion is a thing for the right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, you mentioned Tallarico. I also think,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, Pope Francis did this. Pope Leo is doing
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: this to some extent as well, particularly around issues of poverty, war, immigration,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: social justice. And I do think that is, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it has been somewhat mocked, I think, for a while.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in parts of the left. And this is like, if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you're not religious, you're not religious, that's fine. There's a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: big room for secular people in this country too. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: religiosity is declining and has declined over the last several
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: decades for plenty of reasons that are the fault of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: organized religions themselves.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then people, you know, walk around with crystals
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: in their pockets. So they're looking for it somewhere.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They are looking for it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Or they're like, you know, they're trying to buy labubus
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Sure, yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: You know, everyone's got their own. It's a lot to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: put on a labubu. Everyone's got their own kind of religion.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: But I do think you know, it was interesting hearing
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Erica Kirk talk, like, forgive the killer. I was like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: now that is a truly Christian sentiment. Because there's a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: lot of sentiments purported to be Christian that we hear
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: from a lot of the folks on the right. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: then I think, I think it does a disservice to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Christianity by being like, because then people who aren't religious
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: are like, if that's Christianity, fuck that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's so important for folks
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: on the left who are religious, if you happen to be,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and again, if you're not, no big deal. But if
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you happen to be, then like, talk about what those
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: morals are to you, right? And talk about what religion
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: means to you. Talk about how it means caring for
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the stranger and the immigrant and your neighbor and all
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So I totally, I noticed that too.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, a hundred thousand people were in
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that room or whatever the total number was because they
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: were looking for something deeper than just, you know, policy
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: white papers and for meaning beyond politics. I mean, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: think being part of MAGA for them makes them feel
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like you're part of something greater than yourself. And then
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: there's the religious piece, but yeah, they're not all in
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: there for public private partnerships or, you know, whatever.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Well, otherwise you also, if you leave it to me,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you get the, um, it's like, and you get this
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a lot from the right, like you get the worst
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of the old Testament, which is just like fire and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: brimstone and war. And it's like, it's not new Testament,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Jesus at all, you know, uh, Stephen Miller's speech. The
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: day that Charlie died, the angels wept, but those tears
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: have been turned into fire in our hearts and that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: fire burns with a righteous fury that our enemies cannot
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: comprehend or understand.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I wrote down that sentence too because the metaphor makes
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: no sense. What are you doing? Why are the tears burning?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, you like it when Adele said she turned fire
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: into the rain or whatever?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Well, he can't sing like Adele.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: That's true. You also, again, we are old enough to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: remember when Paul Wellstone died. For those who don't know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: he's just an unbelievable, heroic U.S. senator from Minnesota who
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: died tragically in a plane accident right before the election
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: in 2002, I think.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Accident. So they got to Tommy, too.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And there was a big memorial service for him that
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: included one of his friends, a former staffer, who said
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: lines like, we are begging you to help us win
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: this Senate election for Paul Wellstone. And that was treated...
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: by Republicans who attended and the political press like it
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: was an outrageous, out-of-bounds, unforgivable breach of decorum or something.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Truly insane. It was an insane overreaction at the time.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And then you look at something like this. Although I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: saw some people getting mad that they were signing up
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: people and organizing it at Kirk's memorial service. That's what
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he would have wanted.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Someone offs me? Please, sign people up.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Clipboards.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Sign people up. Let's raise some money for the fucking
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Senate fund or whatever.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And we'll go dark for like a week.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That's all. That's all.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Best of. Let's do a clip show.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Clip show.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I just want you to help me out and just
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: look through my mentions online. Just fight with my enemies.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Fight with my online enemies. Honestly, like genuinely too soon.
• 36:21
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• 37:34
  Speaker 1: We did get some good news on Monday. How about that?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Disney says Jimmy Kimmel is returning to the air on
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Tuesday evening. In a statement, the company said they had
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: merely paused Kimmel to, quote, avoid... Here's a statement that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure was poured over by a lot of lawyers
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and workshops and a few different drafts. To, quote, avoid
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: our country. And that, quote, after thoughtful conversations with Jimmy...
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: they're ready for the show to return. Just before the announcement,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: FCC Chair Brendan Carr said during an event in New
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: York that Kimmel had been suspended due to, quote, ratings,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: not because of anything that's happened at the federal government level, which,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: of course, is only true if you pretend he never
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: said to Disney, quote, we can do this the easy
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: way or the hard way, and that if they didn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: censor Kimmel, quote, there's going to be additional work for
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the FCC ahead. Carr's threats got quite a bit of pushback,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: even from Republicans, even from Trump supporters and officials. Director
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard used her appearance at the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Kirk Memorial to call for the protection of free speech,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: joining the likes of Ted Cruz and a few members
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of the right-leaning manosphere. Here's Gabbard followed by Cruz.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: I may not agree with what you say, but I
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: will fight to defend to the death with my very
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: life your right to speak. Free speech is the foundation
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: of our democratic republic. We must protect it at all
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: costs because without it, We'll be lost.
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: Look, look, I like Brandon Carr.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: He's a good guy.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: He's the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him.
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: But what he said there is dangerous as hell. He says,
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: we can do this the easy way. But we can
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: do this the hard way.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: And I got to say, that's right out of Goodfellas.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: That's right out of a mafioso coming into a bar.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It gets worse. It gets worse.
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: This bar you have here, it'd be a shame if
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: something happened to it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: What?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: What?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Accent is this?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I want to play the last part of that clip.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: What was that accent?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Let's do it one more time.
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: That's right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going,
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: Nice bar you have here. It'd be a shame if
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: something happened to it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Nice bar you have here. It's like a, it's like a,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: there's like a Boston accent in there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: It really reminds me of when, when Christopher Guest is
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: doing a British accent and waiting for Guffman. You have,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: because you.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Drop, because you drop, you drop the H. That was...
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Shut up, Ted.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks for saying the right thing.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I know. You're right. I know.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Hey, Ted.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Good job, Ted Cruz.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Good job, Ted Cruz.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: That was our bias. That's us. That's us having a
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: gut reaction to you.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Expect.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: And we made fun of you doing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: The right thing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But you know what? We will defend your right to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: do that terrible fucking accent.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: To be that lame.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: No matter how... You can do it everywhere. We will
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: defend your right to say it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Even if the Knights of Columbus come after you for it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So we're recording this sort of right after the news
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: that he's coming back. So by the time you're hearing it,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll have more reporting of what actually happened. But
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: before we get that reporting, what do you think happened?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: What's your guess?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: So first of all, there was a bunch of people
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: at the memorial that talked about free speech. Even Trump
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: talked about it. And Erica Kirk talked about it. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it's funny that just because this event happened in the
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: wake of Brennan Carr saying what he said and the
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: kind of the government jawboning major companies into canceling specific shows.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It seems like a rebuke.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know that she meant it as a rebuke necessarily,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: but the Ted Cruz part of it and a few
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: others are pretty clear. I don't think we know yet.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: There have been some people talking about this. I think
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: it was, what's his name? G. Elliot Morris was making
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: this point that searches for cancel Disney Plus went through
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: the roof and that everyone overestimates Trump's popularity, his ability
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to persuade people, especially the corporations and other entities that
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: have kind of bent to him. Uh, and I, my
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: hope is this is, uh, in part a response to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the scale of the reaction, which maybe they didn't expect.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: And that's both public facing, but also like, I do
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: think internal politics still, still matters. And I don't know
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: what happened inside of Disney, but this is a big
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: company for a lot of people that, uh, are left
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: liberal that didn't get that, that like maybe don't bring
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: their politics to work every day, but don't want to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: feel like they're part of a government crackdown on free speech.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: And by the way, these are companies that need to
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: make things with a lot of talented people that are
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: not going to feel excited about working with Disney. If
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Disney is willing to go along with the Trump administration,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: if they, if they bring the hammer down like this. So,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: so I think we'll, we'll, we'll find out more. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want to like overstate the importance of them
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: restoring the Jimmy Kimmel because Brendan Carr said what he said,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and my fear is the only lesson he'll draw from
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: it is that he can't say it in public. But
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I do think it tells us that Donald Trump is
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: not as powerful as he would like us to believe.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Trump would have to lock me up to get Anna
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to cancel Disney Plus.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I started going, I'm like, oh, bluey.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: If we're not lapping Moana or Frozen in my house,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: shit's going down.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I guess you guys don't care about democracy.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: That's right. Correct. I bet ABC Brass and Bob Iger
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: were getting a lot of calls from talented people they
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: work with being like, hey, this is really bad. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I guess my question is, we think this is going
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to lead people to think, all right, everybody, keep your
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: head down. Like just everyone chill out a little bit
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: for a little while. We can get through this. Or
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: are people going to feel emboldened and think maybe it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: time to fight? We can win a round. I suspect
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: like the corporations will say, keep your head down. Some
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: of the artists will want to fight a little more
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and stand up for things. I guess we'll find out.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I hope people stand up. I hope people are not.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I hope people are emboldened.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have a couple of questions about So
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: one option is that Iger made the move thinking that
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't get the blowback that it did, not just
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: from the public, but from all the people he knows
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood and many of his friends, right? Well, then
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm saying then the blowback happened and then he was like, okay,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to back off. Then there's another scenario where
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, Iger wanted to bring him back on
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the air. But you also have now all the affiliates
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: owned by Nexstar and all the affiliates owned by Sinclair
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: saying that they're not going to air the show. I
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: don't know what it looks like to have Jimmy Kimmel
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: on the air nationally, but then have most of the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: ABC affiliates across the country, or at least a pretty
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: good portion of them, not air it. And I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: know what that means financially. I don't know what that means.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of interested in, like, it could have been, too,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to figure out how to get
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: all the affiliates back on board. But again, it's speculation. Right.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: And I do think that, like, Given that it was short,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: if what the decision was is the affiliates are going
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: along with what Brendan Carr is saying here and some
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: of them are conservative themselves. We haven't heard from Jimmy Kimmel.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: He hasn't said a word, right? I do feel like
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: there's a little bit of, if it does get back on,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: this is conversations behind the scene. That's about solving the
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: problem quickly when you're not just dealing with Brendan Carr,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: but you're dealing with the affiliates. So yeah, I think
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that's totally possible.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Jimmy talking about this, What do you guys
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: think the monologue should be?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Just a series of jokes about how Brendan Carr looks
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: like he's aged 75 years in the job. Maybe something
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: It is funny. I was going to, I was going
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to suggest just like a lot of Brendan Carr specific jokes, right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Like you say something about the Charlie Kirk stuff very quickly,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: move off, move off that. We don't need to, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like really go in on Brendan Carr, probably Trump too.
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to, right?
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: You have to, you have to.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the question is like what, What
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: we don't know, like all we've had is like characterizations
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: of what Kimmel was going to say on Wednesday. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: now we have some, this statement that says, oh, they've
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: kind of reached a kind of whatever. They've had a
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: good conversation about it and it'll appear on the show.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: So we just don't know.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: But I assume.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: You think he does the Ted Cruz accent? Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I am a walking here. Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've sort of famously had a rivalry, right?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: They played one-on-one basketball. Ted Cruz actually beat Jimmy in
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: one-on-one basketball. So they have this relationship. You figure he's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: going to have to reference this in some way. I mean,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz actually did stand up for him when no
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: one else did.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It's not nothing. It's not nothing. We made fun of
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the accent, but that was the wrong thing to focus on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Shame on us.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Shame on us. What the bear, man?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the reaction from Cruz and others
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: on the right means that there is like a there's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a real viable opposition to like limits on free speech
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that Trump's not going to go beyond? Or is this
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: just a lucky happenstance? Because you could argue that had
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Brendan Carr not been so fucking stupid to make the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: threat on a podcast, then they could have done it
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: quietly and we would have never have known.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I think that the Trump administration touched the stove on
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: free speech a couple times in the last week in
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: ways that were meaningful. The worst of the two was
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Pam Bondi talking about criminalizing hate speech. Because that got
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: people like Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: hard red line. Like, I support civil disobedience if this happens.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: As you saw in that Megyn Kelly tweet you were
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: reading earlier, a lot of the MAGA folks pretended that
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Kimmel was pulled off the air because of ratings or bullshit.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: It was not a subtle comment, and it was made
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: to a TPUSA staffer named Benny Johnson. So the context
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was all there. Again, I do respect Ted Cruz for
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: speaking up. I respect a lot of kind of Trump-curious
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: comedians or conservative voices for speaking up. I do think
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Brendan Carr made it very easy for them. And the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: fact that it wasn't just Brendan Carr doing this threatening
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: riff on Benny Johnson's show. There was a clear merger
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: before the FCC about all these affiliate stations that showed
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you the financial impact. incentives involved here for punishing Jimmy Kimmel.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you play it out, right? Let's say Brendan
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Carr doesn't do that interview and doesn't post fucking gifs
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: in response to Brian Stelter and all the rest. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: all that happens is there's this outcry about what Jimmy
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Kimmel said that gets drummed up on the right. There's
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: this debate that takes place online. Then Nexstar makes this announcement.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Then Sinclair makes this announcement. And then he's pulled, right?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Is there the same level of First Amendment- concern, probably not.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Republicans are united in saying that this was a business
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: decision not led by the government, even if Brendan Carr
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: is saying different things behind the scene. Does that mean
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel comes back or not? We have no idea.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: We don't live in that world. But I do think
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: that to me is unfortunately going to be one of
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the lessons they take, which is, hey, Brendan, shut.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The fuck up.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Gotta start being a little quieter.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Ironically.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: We're all knocking Brendan Carr here, but Trump too is like, yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: we got one. Another scalp. NBC, you're next.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: That is true.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: That's important too.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But there would be this then like imagine like
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: two weeks from now.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: This all plays out. And then two weeks from now,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: we get a note that you get a reported story
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: in The Times that like Brendan Carr actually called that,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: you know, like all the stuff that's playing out behind
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: the scenes. And it's another kind of nobody. Why doesn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: anybody care about that? You know, you just see they
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: could they could do this in a smarter way and
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: it'd be more effective at curtailing speech, which makes me really.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: It is true. Like you can have idiots like Brendan
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Carr and Pam Bondi. But like no matter how buttoned
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: up the administration is, you're always going to have Trump
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: just admitting the thing. We got him, you know, which is.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Which is, I was just thinking, this is why J.D.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Vance is also very dangerous as an nominee because J.D.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Vance goes out there and he's like, there's just bad ratings.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And he wasn't funny. You know? That's all. And then
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: he just leaves it at that. This is the consequence
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of trying to intellectualize everything and make some kind of
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: an argument that's not just, oh, no, no, I hate
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: free speech for people that I don't like. I like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: it for me. Which is basically Trump's argument. So, you know,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: he's got a Warren free speech. He's also making big
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: gains in his war on science and children's health. Trump
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: teased a big policy announcement on autism during Charlie Kirk's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: memorial service, which is, you guys, I don't know if
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: everyone knows this, but that's what presidents often do when
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: they go speak at memorial services.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: There was a whole accomplishments section.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: There was an accomplishment. Yeah, I think we got to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the 20, I think we did a 2020 election.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Riff We did. We solved crime in D.C. You can
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: go out to restaurants now.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's exactly what you do during a eulogy. And
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: so the announcement was on Monday. And here's the lead
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: of the AP story about the event Trump held at
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the White House on this autism announcement. Quote, Trump uses
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: platform of presidency to promote unproven ties between Tylenol, vaccines,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and autism without new evidence. That's it. That's the story.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: But you really have to hear it to believe it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: So let's listen to Trump.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: By the way, I think I can say that there
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: don't take any pills that have no autism.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: Is that a correct statement, by the way?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: There are some studies with the Amish, for example.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: The Amish.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, virtually. I didn't know.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: I heard none.
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: See, Bobby wants to be very careful with what he
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: says and he should.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: But I'm not so careful with what I say.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's very bad.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: They're pumping, it looks like they're pumping into a horse.
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: You have a little child, a little fragile child, and
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: you get a vat of 80 different vaccines, I guess.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: The MMR, I think, should be taken separately. This is
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: based on what I feel. Ideally, a woman won't take Tylenol.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: But if you can't tough it out, if you can't
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: do it, that's what you're going to have to do.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: You'll take Tylenol.
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: A Tylenol, but it'll be very sparingly. I said, well,
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: let's see how we say that. Acetaminophen. Acetaminophen.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: He got it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Is that okay?
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was okay. It was okay. This is the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: guy I want to take my medical advice from.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Next to America's healthiest man, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Do we not remember 2020? Remember the fucking, the bleach?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Remember the ivermectin?
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: Like, what....
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: So just to, you know, I look, I don't, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: there is autism among the Amish. It's not, that's not true.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: There's no difference in incidents. There's just a difference in
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: reporting because they're the Amish. And so people have looked
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: into this and there's, yeah, it's the, they have just
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: as much autism among the Amish as everywhere else. Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: The problem is that Amish parents can't Google, hey, why
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: does my kid like train so much?
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: That's, we can't.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, we can. Yes, we can. I just can't get
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: past it. Bobby Kennedy's face looking like it was the
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: game ball from Super Bowl III.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He's just like... He's like such a specific leather.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: It's just.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: That guy kills me, man.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: Ugh.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So it was like, don't take it, but ask your doctor,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: but take it low-dose, tough it out. By the way,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Tylenol is like the only thing that pregnant women can
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: take for pain, right? And so now you're going to
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: tell them to tough it out if they have a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: fever or pain or whatever else because... No studies link.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Large-scale studies have not found any reliable evidence that acetaminophen
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: causes autism, and medical experts consider it safe when used appropriately.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Look, I saw a stat that said each week a
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: quarter of U.S. adults use a medicine that contains acetaminophen.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: So this is a widely used drug. As you said, yeah,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: it's like the only thing women can take to bring
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: down the fever or deal with pain relief when they
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: are pregnant. The problem is there are some studies with,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you know, in Sweden that analyzed the health records of 2.5
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: million children. Initially, it found a small positive association between
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: women who used acetaminophen and incidents of autism, ADHD, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: other challenges. But that link went away when they did
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: some subsequent analysis that incorporated genetics into the passing down
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: of those traits. So there's a lot of data out there.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: And I think people are looking for reasons or an
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: explanation for why there has been this rise in autism.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of people say it's because of We're better
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: at diagnosing it now or we're diagnosing things now that
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: we didn't used to. But the challenge in this case
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: is you can't do pharmaceutical research on pregnant women for
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: obvious reasons because it would be completely unethical. So it's
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: really hard to pin down the exact causes of problems.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And when Trump goes up there and just riffs and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: is like, did I get that right? Did I nail
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: that stat? It's like, buddy, you're giving guidance about vaccine intakes,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: use of medicine for pregnant women that people are going
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: to follow. Like half the country is going to treat
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: as gospel and you're just winging.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: It based on how he feels. He just, he admitted it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Well, he also, he also, uh, uh, you can, he,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: everyone's a while when he's reading something or saying something
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: and he kind of realizes there's a logical conclusion that
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: he hasn't thought of before. And so he just says
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: it out loud. Like when he said that there should
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: be some sort of punishment for women, he was just
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: sort of following the train of thought. There's like, well,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: that seems to be where it would go. Not realize
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: he'd stepped into like a political morass. And here he's like,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: says here, Tylenol may lead to autism, but if women
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: have a high fever, they should take it. So I
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: guess that means if they just can't tough it out anymore,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I guess you have to take it. Like you saw
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: him like figure it out in real time. Like, wait
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a second, what is this advice exactly? Then you look
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: at what he's actually saying, which is that like, if
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: you're pregnant and you're sick, you don't feel well, you
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: have a terrible headache, you feel bad generally, you now
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: have the president of Europe being like, do you care
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: about your baby enough to not take this medicine or
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: are you going to tough it out? Based on just
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: like a completely uncertain medical, just like evidence that would
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: not be presented in this way by, from a fucking kook.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: This is not like, this is not like after careful study.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: This is not like, this is from an environmental lawyer
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: and dilettante.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And you know why he's doing it? Because we're going
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to hear in, I don't know, a month from now,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: maybe even less, he's going to be like, and then,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I stopped the Tylenol for the autism. And
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: now I saw, I just saw the other day someone
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: printed out something for me. There's no more autism. Have
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you seen this? Because I fixed it. I cured autism.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Next year it'll be he cured autism and he'll be
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: wondering why he didn't get the Nobel Prize for that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Also in last week, you know, the advisory committee on
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: immunization practices, the ACIP, they changed around the way children
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: under four are going to get the MMRV vaccine. And
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: they're just like, it's not worth getting into all the details,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: but they're going to stretch it out over multiple shots.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: They're going to make it more painful for the kids.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: They're going to make it more time consuming. They're going
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: to make it harder for parents to get in to
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: see a doctor and create more friction in the process.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: That means more people just won't get their kids vaccinated.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And this is like RFK and these activists who don't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: have the right medical background are like figuring out ways
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: to slowly push their anti-vax agenda that isn't fully just
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like banning the use of vaccines.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, it's really, it's dipping their
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: toes into it, right? Because what they're doing with MMRV is,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you have your MMR and the V is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the chickenpox vaccine. And so they're saying now under four,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: instead of combining them all, which they have for some time,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: now they're going to separate them again. So you give
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: them the MMR and then you give them the chickenpox
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: vaccine later. All that's going to, like the people who
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: are wealthier who have health insurance who can go to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: their doctors and just in the most of those doctors
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: are going to be like no we're still going to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: give them to you all at once but for poorer
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: families from people who rely on like like going to
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: like a public health clinic whatever it's you're right it's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: just going to be it's going to be more inconvenient
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: to get vaccines and so there's just going to be
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: fewer parents who remember to go back and get the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: chickenpox vaccine and.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Then there he also talked about like shrinking down the
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: dosage size and giving you more of them so you're
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: like four of them he said maybe he was like
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: kind of winging it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: The other part of this, too, is it's like just
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: stepping back. Like he said that in his remarks, something like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: what's the downside? What's the downside? What's the downside? And
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: it's like it's the doc, the doctors and experts who
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: have worked on vaccine policy and thought about this deeply
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: are trying to protect kids on a vast scale as
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: best as they can. And it's like, why is this
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: the schedule? It's not because they want to load up
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: kids all at once because they're what, like fucking sadist
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: because they don't want what's best for the kids. No,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: they've looked at the data and they've looked at what
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: happens when kids don't get vaccine. They look at just
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: the time as you spread out those vaccines across a
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: whole country, that's a whole bunch more people that aren't vaccinated.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And yes, it's unlikely in that whatever few months, right?
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Like for one child that something goes wrong, but you
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: look at a population on a whole, the end result
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: is more sick kids, right? Like that's what this is about.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: It's this sort of like conspiratorial mindset so infused into
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: everything that they're doing. Like The people that made these
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: recommendations want what's best for the kids. And that's all
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: it ever was.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: But the core of Bobby Kennedy's messaging is that the
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: CDC and FDA and all these medical oversight organizations are
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: just bought and sold by the pharmaceutical industry. And that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is what they're telling them is they're evil, basically.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And the experts, the experts are bad because the experts
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: are liberals and liberals are bad. And so you can't
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: trust them. And so we've got to do just something.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: counter to what they've recommended.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: This is a fileless 100 damage that will play out
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: over decades to our country. We might not see an
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: immediate challenge from these types of announcements, but we will.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Well, we tried to give you some good... Again, Jimmy
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Kimmel is going to be back on the air.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: We'll get that, yeah. We got one. Chug that up.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: One dose of that.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: And a great day at Advil HQ. Buying that crypto
• 58:59
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  Speaker 3: Senator Warren, welcome back to Pond Save America. Good to
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  Speaker 3: see you.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you. It is always good to be at the pod.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Great to have you. We got a lot to get through.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: We're in shutdown mode.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's looming.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Looming mode. Senator Republicans rejected the Democratic proposal on Friday
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: that would have reversed a bunch of health care cuts
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: and extended Obamacare health insurance subsidies, which are set to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: lapse on January 1st, will cost people thousands of dollars.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: They passed that through the big, beautiful bill. Senate Minority
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Leader Chuck Schumer demanded to meet with President Trump. Then
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: President Trump said he's happy to meet. Where are we at?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: What's next here?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: So let me back up just a tiny little bit
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: about where we are for families all across this country.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: Last spring, the Republicans passed that or into summer big,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: beautiful bill. It will take away health care from 15
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: million Americans, Medicaid and also some ACA, Affordable Care Act subsidies.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: But it will affect the cost of health care for
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: everybody in America. And in fact, some of that is
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: starting to click in right now because when hospitals have
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: to deal with uncompensated care, and they do, they've got
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: to raise their prices overall so health insurance companies know
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: they're going to be paying more for people who have insurance.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: So there are folks who are listening to this right
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: now who are getting their letters from their health insurance
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: companies saying things like, oh, You used to pay $ 700
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: a month, which I think is, wow. But now you're
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: going to have to be paying $ 1, 600, $ 2, 100, $ 2, 700. The
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: numbers are coming through. And these are huge increases for
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: some people, all because Trump and the Republicans are trying
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: to cut back on the spending, the federal spending on
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: health care. So what's happened is, as you know, we're
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: about to head into, you got to pass a new
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: budget by September 30th if the government runs out of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: money and we'll shut down. So the Republicans can't do
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: that without Democratic votes in the Senate. They got to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: have us because they got to get to 60 and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: they've only got 53 if they have everybody on their side,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: which they might not. So they got to pick up
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: seven or more on our side. And what the Democrats
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: have said, is look, we're happy to talk, but here's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: our ask. We want you to roll back some of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: those healthcare cuts. We want you to roll back the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: part of the healthcare cuts where you're going to take
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: away healthcare from brand new babies and their mamas, where
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: you're going to push seniors out of nursing homes and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: out onto the street, where you're going to take away
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: the wheelchair and the home health aid from our neighbor
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: who needs some assistance to live independently. We want you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: to roll back Some of this back. We're not asking
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: you to spend more money than you were before. We're
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: not asking to advance some huge new health care policy.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: But by damn, roll back some of these cuts before
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: people start dying. And so far, Donald Trump and the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: Republicans have said, nope.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Right. Nope.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: That's been it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: Not, well, how about this? And could you do that?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: Just saying, nope. And so Democrats are in the fight.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: We're out there slugging it right now.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Okay. But so Republicans, but we were on the other
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: side of them saying no.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: The House has gone. Republicans went home in an act
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: of bluster.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: They control the House. They have the majority in the Senate.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: They control the White House. They're saying, hey, you're doing
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: what Republicans used to do. You don't have the power.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: You're trying to gum up the works. Let's plan it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: We're going to pass a clean bill. And if you
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: want to take credit for a shutdown, you'll pay a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: political price for it. So what's the response to that?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: The response to that is help a few million people
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: get their health care back. Don't raise prices for everybody
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: who's got private insurance. Don't take a bite out of Medicare,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: which this bill ultimately will because of other provisions and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: the fact that it's going to drive up the national debt.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Just don't do that. That we're saying Democrats are willing
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: to fight and what we're willing to fight for right
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: now is you've got to do better on health care
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: for people across this country.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: So just play this out.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Democrats have now decided this is the fight we want
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: to fight on. This is our ask. It is clear.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: It is concise. People can understand it. Republicans say no.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: We enter in a shutdown. They're forcing vote after vote
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: after vote. Are Democrats united around holding the line on
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: this issue of health care? And is the idea that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: ultimately you believe the Republicans will blink and Trump will
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: sign a bill that undoes these cuts?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: So yes, the Democrats are together. We know what we're doing.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: This is a righteous fight. I mean, this is the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: fight to have. It's a fight that people can understand,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: and it's a fight that touches every single person in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: this country. And can I just do a little side here?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: Do you remember what was happening exactly a year ago
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: right now?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I don't remember what was happening yesterday.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, well, that's fair. But Donald Trump was standing up
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: saying over and over and over that people should vote
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: for him because on day one, he would lower costs
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: for American families. Remember that? He used the phrase over
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: and over, on day one. Those were his words. Well,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: now we're on day 240, 250, something like that. And
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: the price of groceries is up. The price of utilities
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: is up. The price of housing is up. The price
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: of back-to-school shoes is up and backpacks and baby strollers up, up, up, up, up.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: Price of health care is up. And thanks to Trump
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: and the Republicans and their one piece of legislation, it's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: about to go up a whole lot more. This matters
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: to American families. They are telling us that what they
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: want is somebody on their side to help reduce costs.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump not only has done nothing, he's seen the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: costs go up. He and the Republicans have raised the cost.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: I think this is the place to throw down and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: have that fight.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: So there's people making the opposite argument, which just says,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: you're right about all that. He is failing to achieve
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: what he promised. He is in the toilet in his
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: numbers on all of these issues, right? He has not
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: been able to deliver, uh, Democrats are united on that score.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Republicans look bad on that score. And then we're going
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: to go into a shutdown in which the politics are
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: far murkier. And in a pure, practical, hard-nosed political calculation,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: that to some people seems like a stupid idea.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: So I've got to say, I'm not sure why anybody
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: thinks it's murkier. Now, look, it's not for me about
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: the politics.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: I hope it should be.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: Let me say it slightly differently. It is about getting
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: people the health care they need. And That is a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: goal we not only can keep in mind, it is
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: a goal we should keep in mind. I think the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: politics here are very straightforward. We stand up and tell
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: the American people every single day what Donald Trump promised.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: and what they are doing right now and that all
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: the Democrats are asking for is to roll that back
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: so that millions of people don't lose health care. I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: think that's a pretty strong place to fight from. And damn,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: if Democrats aren't willing to fight for that, then we
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: got a lot bigger problems.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: So I want to come out for the other side.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: And I want to stand this just because I do
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: think it's a genuine, like Democrats are in a very
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: tough position. I just want to be clear about this.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: And I don't think there's a lot of obviously clearly
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: great paths. We are not in power. That is a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: deep frustration. But the other side of the argument is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: this is, I agree with everything you're saying about healthcare.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump is consolidating his power over the federal government.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: We are fund, we would be funding something that would
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: be used to go after political enemies, to gut agencies
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: without congressional approval to Allow him to continue doing corrupt
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: deals that enrich him and his family personally that that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: any imprimatur of Democratic support for funding this government is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: a kind of normal politics when we need to shut
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: this thing down by any by any congressional means that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: we have and Yes, health care is a uniting issue
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: but it's also in some sense a one in a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: constellation of really unprecedented assaults on the checks and balances
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: of our society, of the Constitution. Kimmel's back today, terrific,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: but trying to abuse the FCC to go after his
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: political enemies. And this is maybe politically the right fight,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: health care, but it's not the truest danger in our
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: society right now.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: So I think of this as nothing succeeds like success.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: You've got to get some wins. You've got to You
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: got to show that you can stand together, you can
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: stand up when the going gets tough, that you can
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: still all push hard because that's how we're going to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: have to take this fight on. I think that, for example,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: today with Kimmel. Yeah, you're right. Kimmel's back and yay,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: that's wonderful. So what's going to be the takeaway? Did
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: it fix everything?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: Should we still be beside ourselves over... A president who
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: so openly has made it clear that he wants to
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: control the media, the stories about him, and destroy the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: First Amendment. And my view on that is, no, we
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: should not relax over any part of this. But there's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: another part to the takeaway, and that is your voice
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: actually matters. Enough people stood up. Enough people went into
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: the streets, found it different ways. Enough comics stood up.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: Enough people hung out flags. Enough people said, whoa, wait
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: a minute. What happened? That's not right. And yes, it's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: a small piece of a big, big problem. But it's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: a toehold on reminding ourselves of our own power. And
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: I think that's what's coming up at the end of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: the week on this question about healthcare. We get more
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: people energized, more people mobilized, and we push back. Two
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: good things could come out of this. One is a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: few million people could get healthcare coverage who otherwise wouldn't,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: and some rural hospitals wouldn't close, and some cancer research
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: would be restarted. Those would all be good things all
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: by themselves, no matter whatever else happens. But the second
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: is we'd all say, oh, fighting pays off. And look,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: I'm willing to fight.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: That's who I am.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: But we win when we've got a lot of us fighting.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: We've got a lot of us committed. We've got a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: lot of people who've seen how dark and scary it
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: can get in the middle of a fight and who
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: still realize that it is worthwhile to stick together and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 7: stay in the fight. So I think I think we
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: should do it. I think we will do it. And
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: I think the consequences of doing it, it doesn't win
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: everything everywhere all at once, but it gets us on
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: a winning path. And damn, we need that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: And you feel like there's 43 of your colleagues that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: aren't going to squish?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: I do. I do. All right.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: So in other news, TikTok legally banned since January, but
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: in a completely lawless way, it's still been chugging along.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: We now have more details on the new deal via
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Axios that Trump may announce this week. The algorithm would
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: be leased to a new company owned by billionaire Trump allies.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: So problem solved?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: Oh, totally. Look, this is the ultimate about the price
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: we pay for corruption. And it's Donald Trump trying to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: seize media and every possible source. vehicles. So yes, getting
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: his buddy Ellison in there and they run it and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: it all, guess what? Every algorithm says Donald Trump is
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: the guy, right? But it's bigger than that. It's how
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: this country has shifted so dramatically. And I don't want
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: to go from the country was perfect and now the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: country is terrible. It's the country had a lot of
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: problems and now, man, you thought those were problems. They
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: have just magnified everything. And it's the corruption element. You
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: see it by what does it mean to build an oligarchy?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: You know, Vladimir Putin puts his buddies in to run
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: things that will make his buddies billionaires, but also means
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: the buddies will use the power and energy of the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: things they run to support Vladimir Putin. That's the deal.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: And Donald Trump, you know, big admirer of Vladimir Putin,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: wants to control. Yes, he wants to control the media,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: but he wants to control everything, right? He's cutting deals
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: with NVIDIA on their chips, right? He wants a piece
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: of the action. He wants to control, control, control because
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: he wants to get something back from these guys. He
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: wants money personally. You want to do the crypto play here.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: But he wants... All of these billionaires, all of these
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: tech CEOs, all of these CEOs come in and bend
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: the knee to Donald Trump, offer Donald Trump a, what
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: did they used to call it in Roman times, a tribute?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: He wants to get his beak wet, let's say.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: That's right. Wants to dip his beak. Isn't that the phrase?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: And give Donald Trump something. And then, lo and behold,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: your giant purchase gets approved. Your merger gets approved. If
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: you're a foreign country, your tariff gets approved. If you're
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: just a giant international company, your tariff exception gets approved, right?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: Your license, your broadcast license remains viable. So Donald Trump
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: is trading the things that are valuable to our nation
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: off to a handful of individual corporate actors for the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: purpose of increasing Donald Trump's political power and his personal finances.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: So there's two sides to this. One is Donald Trump,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: through a lot of bluster, has convinced corporations to give
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: him power he couldn't take. We've seen that with Disney.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: We've seen that with others. But the other side of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: it is that these corporations, universities, media outlets, law firms,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: they're not afraid of repercussions from people that believe in democracy, right?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: There was no actual organized campaign to boycott Disney. It
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: seems to have happened naturally as people took in the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: news and maybe Disney was hopefully caught off guard by that.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: But Columbia wasn't afraid of its alumni when it went
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: into a deal with Trump. Are we doing enough, those
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: of us that believe in democracy, to lay out the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: ways in which We will hold companies and institutions accountable
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: for capitulating to Donald Trump. And are there things we
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: should be talking about more?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah. No, we're not doing enough. And yes, there are
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: things we should be talking about a whole lot more.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: And let me just tie it back. That's why I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: see the Jimmy Kimmel. It's just a tiny little spot
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: of light. I don't want to oversell. But it is
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: some light and should remind a whole lot of people, wait.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: Our voices matter here. And it's the same thing about
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: this upcoming showdown over shutting down the government. Look, this
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: is the moment. I say this to everybody in the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: country right now. This is the moment. If you can't
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: think of somebody whose health care you're willing to fight for,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: your own, your cousins, your neighbors, if you can't do that,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: just think about Donald Trump's power overall and the Republicans'
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: power overall. how they could agree among themselves with no
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: Democrats with them to take away health care from 15
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: million Americans, shut down these hospitals, drive up costs for
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: everybody else. Why? So they could hand out a trillion
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: dollars in tax breaks to a handful of billionaires and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: billionaire corporations. Get your blood boiling over this. We have
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: a moment. And Sometimes you need those moments. You need
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: those moments where people will speak up. You know, in fact,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: I want to give you a little piece of this.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: I get it. It's not always that we, okay, the rallies,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: you know, at 10 o'clock on Saturday. I love it.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: I love the protests. I love the rallies. But it's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: lots and lots of ways. You know where I've spent
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: the last week has been with podcasters who are in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: the health care space. They're not politicians, but, man, they
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: care about access to health care. They care about access
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: to health care for little babies and they care about
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: it for people in nursing homes. This is a moment
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: where we have a chance to unite. And, yeah, we're
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: using different modes than we used before. This is the
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: subject matter in front of us is health care. But
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: it's about power, our power versus their power. We got
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: a chance here. But when you got a chance, you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: better take it.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Former Vice President Kamala Harris has a book coming out.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: She describes being deferential to the Bidens and whether he
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: should seek a second term given the liability age had
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: become as reckless. You know, I know you've talked about this,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: but do you agree with how the Vice President characterizes
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: that moment? And do you believe that that would apply
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: to other leaders as well? Was the leadership of the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Democratic Party reckless?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: So look, I haven't read her book, so I'm I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: shouldn't be speaking about a summary of a summary of
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: what she said. But I put it this way right now.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: I think that public service is an honor and a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: great responsibility. And you get up every day and just
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: try to do your best. And you try to do
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: your best, not so you can get reelected, but you
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: try to do your best so you can actually make
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: something happen that's good. And that connects to this point
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: by way of saying we, as Democrats, we didn't, obviously,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: we did badly in 2024. For me, the way I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: see it, the little plot of land I stand on,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: is the way we did badly is that we let
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: the billionaire wannabe, tyrant wannabe, stand out there and be
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: the guy who talked about the economics of American families
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: in a way that they heard. We let him be
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: the guy who said, I hear how it's not working
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: for you, and I'm going to fix that. I'm going
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: to make that a key part of my whole presidency.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: He had some other stuff, but this was This was
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: the thing. After he gets elected, he says, when he's
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: first interviewed, why do you think you won? And he said,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: because I talked every day about lowering costs on day one.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: And so when you put it, you look backwards, you say,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: we really screwed up on that. So for me, the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: lesson I take away from that is I am not
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: screwing up on that one again. And if I can
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: help it, I'm not letting Democrats screw up on that
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: one again. We got to stay focused on this question.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: of what's happening to millions of American families. Why are
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: they loading up on debt? Why are car repossessions on
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: the rise? Why is it that their description of this
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: economy is the lowest it's been in half a century?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: And what are the things we can do about it?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: And by the way, that's why the healthcare fight is
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: the right fight to have, but there is more that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: we need to do there.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the reason I bring it up is not,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: I know everyone is sick of looking backwards nobody more
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: than me. But I ask because I think, I look
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: at this moment, I say, all right, the Democratic brand
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: is in the toilet. People don't trust Democrats. They don't
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: believe Democrats. And I think, well, how did we get here?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: And part of it was people couldn't feel the effects
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: of economic policies where they had been passed. And we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: were just, the bully pulpit was empty. Joe Biden was
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: a terrible communicator. And we, even people that were defending
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: his ability to do the job, I don't think were
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: even honest with themselves enough about how much of a
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: price we're paying for that lack of communication. And then
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: I look at a moment where There are Democratic leaders
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: who aren't endorsing someone like Mamdani, who's inspired a lot
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: of people. And I look at this shutdown fight and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: I think, am I going to look back on this
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: and say, I wasn't admitting to myself that I thought
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: we didn't have the leaders in place who maybe they're
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: great at organizing. Maybe they're great at communicating on the Hill.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're great internally. But like, are these the galvanizing
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: leaders who can go toe to toe with Donald Trump
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: You know, I guess I see this part of it
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: slightly differently. You're here. You've got a damn big microphone.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: Don't tell me about the leaders of the Democratic Party.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: You know what the fight is. You can describe this
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: fight in a whole sentence.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: OK, you're right.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: So get in the fight. No, but I'm serious about this.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: You know, people say to me, who's the leader of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party? And my answer to that is we
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: have 47 people in the United States Senate who are
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: out there fighting. in this fight. And you know what
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: we need right now? 47 people in the United States Senate.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 7: That is the thing we need the most. We need
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: all 47 of them absolutely at full pedal to the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: metal on these fights. And we need to get them
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: into these fights. And right now, spending our time shooting
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: at each other, I just don't think that is the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: place to go. I think the place to go is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: get in this fight and give it everything you've got. TikTok,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: we are running out of time.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: I hear that.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: And I want to be there with you on that.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: But I'm in an odd numbered year still. And I
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: feel like it's an odd numbered year. So I get
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: to have these kinds of conversations. We're getting into the
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: fall of next year. I want to get together. But
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes, look, this was one of the arguments
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: to say, stop talking about Joe Biden's age. in the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: run of, no, but I'm not saying you're doing that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just, part of this is, yes, everybody has to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: pull together. We have a job to do. We shouldn't
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: be turning the microphones against each other to continue the analogy.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I look at the Democratic
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Party and it's, yes, it's about message and yes, it's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: about a plan, but it's also about a base of
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: people that authentically believe in the people that are speaking
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: to them and for them. And I know that I've
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: watched you campaign. I know that people know what you
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: stand for and have an authentic connection and that you've
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: been fighting for it since you were a writer and professor.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: I look at AOC, Bernie, Barack Obama, even Bill Clinton.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: It's not ideological. And I say, all right, these are
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: people who I understand their worldview. And that gives me
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: confidence when they tell me that they're going to do
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: something hard or they're going to compromise, whatever it may be.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: And I have to go pretty far down the list
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: of leaders of the Democratic Party before I get to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: people that have that authentic connection to the people they
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: want to lead. And that does make me worried about
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: a shutdown. And I do think it's worth having this
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: fight now, rather than looking back next year and saying, wow,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: we really didn't have people at the microphones that were
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: the right people to lead us.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: I see it right now, this minute, as we know
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: what the fight is in front of us. I don't
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: need somebody to tell me this. I don't, I don't
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: need somebody to say, oh, well, I have this title
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: within the Democratic Party, so I'm going to tell you
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: what to get out there and talk about. I'm the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: one who decided to come here today. And I hope
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: that's happening with 46 other folks on my side in
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: the Senate and 200 plus on the House side. Because
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: the substance of the fight matters right now. A win
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: matters right now. This is what we're into. And There
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: is no one voice anywhere who will win this fight
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: by themselves. It is instead, we are a party that
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: is still tied to people and the fight that we
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: are having. If we had held Donald Trump to tell
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: the truth a year ago, if we had just a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: little bit of Here's what we want to do and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 7: here's what we are doing for hardworking people. Here's how
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: much we understand about what's broken and here's what we're
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: willing to do to fight for it. A winning fight
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: matters and it has knock-on effects that I think matter here.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 7: And this is why I understand the very sophisticated people
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: who say there's a lot broken and it's not just healthier.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: Can I tell you a quick story?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: Okay. When I was a little girl, I was studying
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. It's like some fifth grade thing where
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: you've got to copy out some words about him. And
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: I'm sitting on the floor back in Oklahoma where I'd
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: grown up. And I look up at my grandmother who's
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: in her 90s. And she had lived through the Great Depression.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: And I just say to anyone who doesn't know, the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: Great Depression in Oklahoma was the one-two punch of, economic
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: catastrophe in a dust bowl unlike the world had ever seen.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: And my mamaw and papa got wiped out in the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: Great Depression. Bank failed, lost all the money that they
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: had put away for their retirement. Basically had to start over.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: And so I'm sitting there while I'm working on this
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: report and I looked up and I said, mamaw, do
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: you know who Franklin Roosevelt was? And she smiles at
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: me and she says, of course. And I said, what
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: did he do? And my Mamaw, who had an eighth
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: grade education, read the newspaper every day, she looks up
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: and she said, well, he made it safe to put
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: money in banks and And a lot of other good stuff.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: I think of it this way. You fight very real
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: fights that people can see that touch their lives. And sure,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: we all have the rest of the fights too. God bless.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: There's a lot that was broken. There was a lot
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: that was broken. Creation of the SEC, right? All the
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: things that we did following the Great Depression that we
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: saw was broken, that we needed. But the key part
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: is that you've got to reach as many people as
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: you can across this country with the story of what
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: you're fighting for and that we're all trying on our
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: side to support that, to make sure people don't die,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: to make sure they don't lose their health care, and
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: that if we can make that clear and get enough
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: pushback that Some number of people actually do get their
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: health care restored or their cancer research restored and the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: Democrats get a win. I think that's a step in
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: the right direction for us.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: So speaking of health care, before we let you go,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: right before we were recording this, there was a bizarre
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: press conference with Donald Trump and RFK Jr., head of
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Health and Human Services. Trump was speaking, he was, this
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: is a pretty dubious announcement about, uh, the connection between, uh,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: acetaminophen and autism, uh, with a recommendation that, that, uh,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: pregnant women no longer take Tylenol or acetaminophen. This follows
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: the RFK, uh, RFK's panel, uh, voting against the combined
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: MMR and chickenpox vaccine for kids under four. Uh, what's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: your reaction to that? And, uh, what happens when the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: president starts rambling, he can't even pronounce acetaminophen, by the way,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: about healthcare in such an evidence-free way?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: So I have a couple of responses. The first one is,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: it just feels like every day we turn on the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: news and it's the next episode in the Donald Trump show.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: And he gets stirred up about one thing or a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: different thing or another thing. And we're all off and running.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: And today it's this one. But the real people get hurt.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: And that's the scariest part about this. When RFK Jr.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: had been nominated to be the head of Health and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: Human Services, there were a lot of folks, not just Democrats,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 7: who said, whoa, that guy's been trafficking people. in anti-vaccine conspiracies.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, for a long time, yick on this stuff.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: And it's not just yick. That could be dangerous to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: have somebody in that place if he started using his
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: tools to get rid of vaccines. In fact, he'd been
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: making money off suing vaccine companies and bringing in more
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: plaintiffs and stirring people up to sue vaccine companies. So,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: several of us asked him a lot of hard questions
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: during the nomination process. And he gave the, I want
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: to describe it as the right-ish answers, right? They were
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: directionally right. Occasionally he'd say other things that you'd think, wait,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: what did he just say? But over and over and over,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: he said, I will not take away vaccines from anybody.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: And now he turns around eight months later and yeah, he,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: let's face it, he has taken them away. The criteria
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: under which you used to be able to get these
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: vaccines has changed, and certain vaccines will not be available
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: or will not be available to certain groups, or you'll
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: have to pay lots of money for them. You'll have
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: to do an off-label use, all of the above. Lots
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: of speed bumps in the way, and in fact, some
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: absolutely can't do this. So I think of this as
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: a moment where we measure one more time how many
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: checks have been lost on this administration, that it's no longer, yeah,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: but if all of the vaccine experts and the doctors
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: and scientific evidence and around the world, all the experts
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: and people who study this all the time all say
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: that makes no sense at all, that it just doesn't
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: matter because RFK is off spinning in his own world.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: And as long as it's an audience of one, as
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: long as he can keep Donald Trump happy, that is
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: all that matters.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Do you think your colleague Bill Cassidy, like, you know,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: he is a doctor. He claimed to have gotten all
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: these reassurances from RFK Jr. Have you talked to him
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: about it? Like, you know, I can't tell. It's hard
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: to tell if he was willfully Like, was he snowed
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  Speaker 3: or did he allow himself to be snowed? I can't tell. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I wasn't in the room. I'm not in his head.
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  Speaker 7: But I do know that this business around the vaccines,
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  Speaker 7: that good people who've worked in this field, including Dr.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: Senator Cassidy, have expressed over and over, their deep concerns
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  Speaker 7: if Americans are not getting vaccines. So I just look
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: at what he says is a problem and then try
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: to figure out not so much the backwards, where did
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: the wheels come off the bus, but the forward. So
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: what are we going to do about that? Where do
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: we find the place to be able to get these
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: vaccines back to a place, A, where they're available, but B,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: where more people get a truthful answer about the risks
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: of having unvaccinated children.
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  Speaker 3: And it does seem like with all things, it comes
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: back to win the House.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Can we also win the Senate?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: It would be great to win the Senate too, but
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: either way, build a bipartisan support for vaccines, given that
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: it remains a A deeply bipartisan issue. Last question.
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  Speaker 7: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: What are you streaming? What are you watching? What are
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: you consuming? I can't even bring up the Ballers thing again.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: It's been years now, but it still shocks the conscience.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: So what do you like?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: The Pit.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, The Pit.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: And Hacks. Have I seen the two best shows ever, ever, ever?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: I love them both. The Pit was fabulous.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Have you watched Andor? You're not a Star Wars person.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: You've got to watch Andor, although it's on Disney +.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Now that Kimmel's back, are we allowed to have it?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: No, I think you're still not. You've got to punish
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: them for a while.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: Well, once they've come back, once they've bent the knee
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: to us, once the mouse has come and begged for
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: our forgiveness.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: I'm ready.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: You've got to watch Andor.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: I put it on my list.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Senator Warren, thank you so much for joining us. Good
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: to see you.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me here. It's always
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: good to see you. And thanks for staying in the fight.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Where else would we be, you know?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: Well, as I always say, Better to be in the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: fight than on the sidelines.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: That's our show for today. Thanks to Elizabeth Warren for joining.
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