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Go Back Couple | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 42 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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I'm Jessica and this is Deborah. Kerr Rambles were a couple of
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friends review Korean dramas and I'm excited because I have for
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my guest today, I have gray. Strung, how are you Grace?
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How you doing? Very good.
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Thank you for having me. Yeah, absolutely.
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So Grace. You are a comedian.
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You're a writer. And you also have your own
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kdrama podcast called kdrama school.
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Which I love, I usually go there for a different opinion because
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you have such a different view on things and I like remember
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distinctly listening to your the glory episode and thinking wow,
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I didn't think about any of this.
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So this is wildly different and it made me rethink the drama a
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little bit. So for those who, Who don't know
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you and don't know how you got started in kdrama really quick.
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How did you get into kdramas and do you care to see how long?
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Cause I know it's been a long time but you get to say like
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what was your first kdrama or Sure.
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Yeah. I mean, the question of how a
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person gets into kdramas. I think is usually for
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non-koreans, because for me, it's like, there's no such thing
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as a kdrama for me. There's just tv.you because I
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was born and raised in Korea. So how did I get into Korean TV
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is just I would turn on the TV if that makes sense.
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Right. Because that's just that was the
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media that I was exposed to. From the moment that I saw a
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screen, so that is how I got into it.
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I suppose, I mean my first exposure to Korean television
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that I have in my memory is like childhood programs like there
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was a variety show, like it's like similar to like PBS's, you
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know, Sesame Street or something, it's called Bull and
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that used to be on in the early 90s.
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So my parents would just leave that on.
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And I would watch that as a kid. So, yeah.
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For me, it's there's no like, intro to kdramas or the Korean
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world. It's just I'm Korean, you know?
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So that's the media that I grew up consuming.
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Yeah. This is wildly different from
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pretty much every guess that I've had on the show even if
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they come from Asian descent, they're like, I got into kdramas
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at this age. I grew up here and even though,
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you know, I was exposed to it, I didn't get into it until this.
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This time in my life and this was my first kdrama and so on
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and so forth. So I really like that you, it's
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just part of your DNA. It's just how you grew up.
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I have a similar experience with the whale has because I grew up
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watching, Hispanic novellas on TV and they were you know, wild
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and they have their own tropes and they have their own like
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actors. And you see often and it's again
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like a very comprable to kdramas, it is.
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It is very comparable. Absolutely.
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Love you guys. And without further Ado, we're
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going to get started on a review of go back, couple and I'll get
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started by reading the Asian Wiki.
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Synopsis it reads Trayvon though and Mountain Dew are both 38
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years old and married couple try bundle has been burdened with
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being the breadwinner and Majin do is a housewife with low
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self-esteem. Even though they loved each
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other when they married, they now hate each other.
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They both regret marrying at such a young age.
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Each the couple travel through time and find themselves as 20
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year old University students when they met for the first
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time. So this aired originally from
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October to November 2017, it's only 12 episodes long.
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It was directed by Xavier Moon and he's directed 18 Again from
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2020, which is probably a very good comparable for the show and
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he recently, I guess later this year, he'll come out with you
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did will die soon which star is Puck Saddam and sewing good.
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Look, it was written by a coin, hey Jew, and she's written High
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by Mama, which is also a comparable to the show and the
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sound of your heart from 2016 to 2017 which starred econ zoo and
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Dunkleman. So the cast, I hope you can help
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me out. Like, just let me know where
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you've seen these two before, because I have like, where I've
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seen them, but this is like the first time that I've really kind
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of sunk my teeth into. Something that they've done, it
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feels like so the show Stars. Done that up as Majin do and
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she's been in like sell your haunted house.
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Oh my baby VIP, the last Empress one more, happy ending, fated to
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love you which is like the big one.
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I think everyone knows her from where.
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Have you seen something that before?
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Yeah, I mean where have I seen checking that that questions
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also similar to like, how did you get into kdramas and that
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she was just part of the world, China is known, mostly in
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originally, as a KPop star, she was a soloist and she was hugely
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successful when she first began. I think she was starting in like
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the year 2000 and she came out with this hit song.
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Song at the time. I think it's like sweet dream or
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sweet something but it's like this really like cutesy bubbly
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poppy song. I remember the music video with
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her wearing like pajamas and like like a shower cap.
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I think we should like, I don't know, like pigtails or it was
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just very like very, you know, sweet sugary girly.
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Innocent like that was her image.
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And that's how she was branded and packaged.
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But Chang, that up was so busy. I remember her it was like, I
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think 2000 or 2001, but she came out with like two, dramas that
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one year. She had a she had two solo likes
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two singles that were out and she was like extremely busy in
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addition to that. She was also, you know, guest
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starring in a bunch of, you know, comedy variety shows.
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I mean, her schedule was insane. Oh, She was also booking, a lot
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of commercials right TV commercials and Curry, they call
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it a CF. And so she was in a bunch of
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commercials like like like big ones, like like beer commercials
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this and that, and she was raking in a lot of money and she
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was super busy. But she was also and she talked
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about this much later, but she was also having like mental
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breakdowns because she, they would not let her sleep.
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Her managers and her agents, like none of them were let it
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let her sleep. Like she was a Workhorse and You
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was completely exploited as this 19. 20 year-old young woman,
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just starting out in the business.
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Because, I mean, when you look at her now Chung that is like
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she's like in her 40s now, but she has these big eyes.
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She has this like really petite face like round cheeks.
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And she so youthful looking and cute and adorable.
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It's like a very unique. Look, so like the Korean media
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could not get enough of her. I mean, they really worked.
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Her up. And so she talked about this on
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a variety show, that's no longer on air, but it's called happy
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together. It was on air from like 2000.
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I think, like, 2001 or 1999 it was on, it was on for like,
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almost 20 years. And she was a guest on that show
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talking about how her managers would just like, not let her
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sleep for five days straight. This is because she had to work.
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Yeah, and so she would just like have these fits and throw things
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out of her. Van and she would have no memory
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of it of any of that behavior, because she's sleep deprivation,
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right state of mind. Yeah, extreme sleep deprivation
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exhaustion depression anxiety to this day tongue.
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That us suffers from like panic disorders and anxiety disorders
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that stem from the work that she's done.
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So when I think of 10 data, I think of a, she is immensely
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talented. I mean she is like as a singer
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as an actress as a A performer. She is super professional.
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She Nails it every time, every time I see her on a show, I'm
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just like Blown Away by her performance.
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She's very good, and she's very versatile.
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And she has excellent comedic timing and she has excellent
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dramatic performance. It's difficult to do those two
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things in equal measure, but she's somebody who can.
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And at the same time, it's like given her talents, you know,
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it's like the industry. I mean, she's definitely a
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victim of the Street and how inhumane and cruel?
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It can be. And so for me, it's like, okay,
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on the one hand, she's very talented.
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And she has this very impressive like repertoire when it comes to
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her filmography and her solo albums, and her career, not just
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in Korea, but also in Japan and China, she's huge.
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I mean, that's mostly written that.
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I made her money. She makes it in China where they
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love her so she's done also Chinese films.
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All right, so she's like this, Mega how you International Star
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but she's also a Cautionary tale.
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When it comes to self care, and boundaries and self-protection.
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And voicing yourself when it comes to your needs, like
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resting, like eating like saying no.
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All right, so, so for me, it's like I have a very complicated
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emotional response when it comes to China data, but for someone
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would June, he is like one of the funniest contemporary
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kdrama. Actors right now, I would say
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he's not a comedian. And he doesn't come from a
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comedy background. I think he's unique in the, he
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doesn't even come from like, a singing background.
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I don't think he's a KPop star, right?
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Like, he's not a threat, like, a lot of these know, he's just an
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actor, but he's such a great performer in every show that
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I've seen him in. He's just so funny, but at the
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same time he's also somebody who can like handle the weight of a
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dramatic performance, although probably not as not as seasoned
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as tongue that up. I think tongue that is better
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with their dramatic roles. But someone would June is very,
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very funny and this writer, she's written a sitcom, I mean
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she's written sitcoms like writing like sound of your
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heart. That's a sitcom.
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And because of the writers, Affinity with comedy, I think
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that is why she cast these two actors tongue that insulin hojun
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because they're both so good with comedy.
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Yeah. So like you said something to
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doin plays to bundle and like, I hadn't basically never seen him
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because I only watched him in reply 1994 and hadn't seen much
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of his other work. So this was my first basically
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experience watching him in a cage drama and I was like he's
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very good because, you know, you come in with like this notion of
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this character, because he's not very likable at all.
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And you leave in your like, oh maybe I was like dead wrong
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about the whole situation and that's really tough for.
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I think an actor to do when you're rooting for.
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Somebody else you rooting for another character and he's out
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here, kind of changing your mind.
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So I really liked both of them. I love tongue that and I wish
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it. I saw her more stuff.
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The last time I saw her was in the last Empress, which was, I
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had no idea, was a crazy wide had no idea was a mock tongue
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drama. Yeah, it's a.
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It's like it's like the Pinnacle of mcjunkin woman.
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The woman who wrote it has written many, many mugs.
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And she's very famous for writing about Jung.
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So yeah, that's I had such a crazy one.
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I didn't know who was behind the lens.
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I didn't know who wrote it. I just started it, like, on a
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whim and most complete as a crazy.
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Why I didn't even, I couldn't even finish.
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It was very long, that's a fief, it's very stressful, it's
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stressful stressed, you're right.
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Yeah, so that's my experience with the the two leads and we do
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have a giant ensemble cast year and we can get into the maybe
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later. But what did you think?
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I think it's been a while since you've watched the show, but
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what are your three General? Thoughts on go back couple.
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I mean, I I was mostly watching it because I grew up as a fan of
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tongue that, uh, so that was the draw from me.
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So when would you in was just like an added bonus.
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I had seen someone who June in the light in your eyes as well,
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which is very small drama with Kim Hedges.
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Which, you know, who's like a veteran actress and I had also
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seen him with what's her face with some Geo in.
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Another drama I think. It's like, was it love or
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something where he plays like this, you know, like it's like
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oh is he the father of my baby like that kind of thing, right?
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But he's in he's done work. But yeah.
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You're right. Like reply 1994 is the Big
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Splash for him but yeah I mean the other draw for me also lets
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usually the Stars, the stars are usually the draw for most
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kdramas I mean for any film or TV Evie.
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It's like, you go and watch it because you want to go and see
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like, Charlize, Theron you want to go and see Hugh Jackman,
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right? So you're going to see these
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movies so it's like the same for any any media but also what's
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his face? That tall, sexy guy, danke
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young? Yeah thank you.
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So chunky. Oh was another draw for me?
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Because I had only seen him like Once prior in an earlier show
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that came out like, um, like in 2014, I think it's called,
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that's okay, it's love. Yes.
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And he played a very small cameo role in that show, and that's a
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show I've watched many times, and I was like, who is this
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tall? Sexy, dude, like, what's his
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deal? And I think that was sort of
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that Cameo appearance was like his like foray into Korean toy
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because he's a method actor. Right?
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You comes as a model so he's not like a trained actor.
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He's just a pretty face on this show.
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He was also just playing this model pretty face, but I was
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like, oh, he has my attention like he's pretty cute.
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Do I think he's a good of an actor?
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No, he's not. And I could see, I could see
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that like there's potential there like, oh like I could see
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that this this is a star in the making kind of thing so he was
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also a big draw for me. And You're right.
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Like, you know so one which is character is a dick.
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He's so like selfish and he's so, you know, just yeah, like a
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selfish, dude. But so is.
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So is tongue that has character? I mean, Ginger was also a
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selfish character, like, they are both flawed characters, but
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the reason why I think you, and I feel more for children because
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we're women. Yeah.
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Like, that's why and this is a show that was also written by a
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woman and It's dealing with a lot of women's issues.
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So that's why, you know, we feel a little bit more connected to
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change of character than Panda, but I was definitely rooting for
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chinju to get with chunky. Oh, oh my God.
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Whole time the whole time. I was like no, leave punto.
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Go with the tall sexy Rich. Dude, make a better life for
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yourself. You have you get it second
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chance to start over? No no no no no stop repeating
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the same mistakes. Right.
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So for me, it was like if there's a message here, it's not
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that you should go do the same shit over again.
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It's like know, when you get a renewal, when you get a second
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opportunity in life, do the crazier Choice, make the crazier
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decision, right? Go.
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And yes, you deserve that really tall drink of iced tea.
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Go get him. You know right.
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Leave behind chip on door. Yeah I think that was my what
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those are. My questions.
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I was going to ask you whose side were you on in the
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relationship? And yes.
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Absolutely. I was on a cutting that aside
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because like genocide because we're women, but also her story
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was way better explained and told, and you just feel so
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empathetic and sympathetic toward her plate.
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Her kind of doing the bulk of the raising of their child and,
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you know, to then do is like, not.
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Present at all. And yeah, he's hustling out here
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trying to make money and put food on the table.
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But like, that's a very patriarchal like responsibility
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that he's put on himself and, you know, her character not to
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get too much into spoilers but her character it places so much
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emphasis on him being present on him, just supporting her by her
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by him just showing up right. Like bare minimum just be there
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and He's like surprised he's he has like a revelatory experience
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toward the later half of the show where he's like, oh yeah,
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like I was never there. And it's like that's like bare
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minimum. Just be there and that was very
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frustrating. It's very like, yes, finally you
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got there homey but like it's very frustrating to watch when
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you're rooting for, you know, Majin do like her character and
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I wasn't like on his side so that like that answers, that
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question. The second question, would you
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also like sort of answered was, who did you want her to end up
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with and why? And like, absolutely, I agree.
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With you that you want her to end up with the second male
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lead. Because not only is he like a
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better a safe bet on in the past, he's a safe bet in the
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future. She knows how his life turns
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out. It's a great life.
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He's like a billionaire or something like that, he's
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extremely successful, still single in the present day or
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whatever. And you know, why would she not
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try something different when she knows how the relationship could
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turn out. Like, she knows the worst side.
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Of turbine do and she still chooses to sort of go with that.
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So it is quite a journey that they go on and it's only 12
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episodes. But did you have any thoughts on
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the OSD? I thought it was just like a
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little bit like one song stood out and that was it.
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But I don't know if you if you have to listen to the OST since
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watching. Go ahead.
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Go back couple. Yeah, I mean I haven't seen the
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show from beginning to end like since it came out like six years
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ago, but I did watch like the first couple of episodes just to
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refreshen. And what I noticed is that when
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they do go back, like they're listening to these early Kpop
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songs that came out in the late 90s.
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And so I remember recognizing that, right?
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Like, oh yeah, like you know, so that's its.
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So it's kind of Of like an intertext Force 10 June and that
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you know, in reply 1994. There's the same thing like
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they're playing these 90s songs and there are these like 90s
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Fashions 90s 90s trends when it comes to like pagers and cell
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phones. And you know, right?
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So there was a little, there was a like nostalgic retro sort of,
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yes, production design that was taking place that was familiar
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to me. Me.
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And what to me, what that means is, oh, like the Millennials who
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grew up from this era are now. Yes.
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Like at this stage, like their parents.
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They're married couples their disgruntled married couples.
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Their couples that are thinking about marriage, divorce, and
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divorce. And South Korea's very, very
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high. It's like, at least half of
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marriages end up in divorce and, you know, like, I think the show
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It's not really a matter for me when it comes to like, oh, am I
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on like the woman side? Or the man side.
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Like it's not so much about that, what it speaks to is a
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bigger sociological thing, it's more than that.
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It's actually a socio-cultural thing in the sense that prior to
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prior to this generation, like my generation, the millennial
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generation divorce, among Korean couples was completely imbued
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with shame. It was Speakable to get a
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divorce even when I was a kid, like every every family around
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me, they should have been divorced.
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My parents also should have been divorced, get a divorce.
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You'll be happier but know they'll grit their teeth,
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they'll sleep in separate beds, they'll ignore one another for
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years at a time and wait till the kids graduate from high
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school for what? Because they are too ashamed to
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get divorced. Because people might Badmouth
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them but this is a different generation.
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It's where divorce is very much, an acceptable part.
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It's in fact, the norm and so this couple is at this breaking
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point. They're like well I mean we
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gotta think about divorce but they also are flawed and that
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they have expectations of each other which shouldn't exist in a
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loving relationship of any kind to maintain an expectation of
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another means you Will be disappointed, right?
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It means you will end up getting a divorce.
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It means you will not be living a life.
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That is your own because you're constantly.
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You know, you're, you're basically turning this person
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and this person's disappointments into your world.
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You're orbiting around this guy and all of his, you know,
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shortcomings. That's what your life becomes.
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It's you giving up your power and that's what the couple are
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doing. You know, like jinju's mad that
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that Don't forgot their anniversary, puddle, can't even
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think about the anniversary because he has this asshole of a
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client who exploits and abuses him.
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And not only that but the client's wife exploits and
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abuses him. I mean, he is really entangled
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in their marital mess to make a living because his job is so
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difficult. And when we go back in time, we
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realize becoming a pharmaceutical salesperson
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wasn't his dream career. He was obsessed with Cinema.
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It was movies that he loved that was his passion.
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So I think the going back is not just a journey and their
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romantic thing. I think that is very much like a
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secondary thing. I think it's going back and
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reclaiming who they are as a self as an identity.
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Who am I? What were my Joy's?
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What were my passions? What were my dreams?
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Who was I, when I didn't have the responsibility of other
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people's needs and I think that reclaiming is perhaps What's the
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lesson here? You know, it's not even about
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the marriage and the love. It's really about, you know,
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chinju going back and reclaiming who she is.
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It's about Pondo going back and reclaiming who he is, and it's
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saying, unless you are hole in your individuality, you will
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never ever be satisfied because you're always going to be trying
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to fill that Gap with somebody else and that's just not how it
24:35
works. Yeah, so I agree with you like
24:39
to the max because what I found most compelling about the show
24:42
wasn't necessarily their relationship and how the turns
24:45
out it's them going back and rediscovering themselves
24:49
rediscovering like the joy of life and of the Innocence of
24:53
like not having anything to do not having any responsibilities.
24:57
Like what do you do to fill up your days?
24:59
When there are no bills when there are no responsibilities,
25:02
what is your like default and they had to get back to that
25:06
and, you know, going back to the the you thing.
25:09
I love when people sort of revert or have these
25:14
Supernatural things happen to them and then they have to
25:16
reassess their lives and reassess what they used to do,
25:20
what they used to like you visit, I'm of hopes and promise
25:24
and dreaming and potential. And like you said, like his
25:27
original dream, was to be Korea's top movie director and
25:31
win Awards, in a claim and somewhere along the way that
25:35
just got lost it fell by the wayside.
25:38
And there is something really enticing about just
25:41
rediscovering. That joy and that innocence and
25:46
youth, and just the energy of when you didn't have all of
25:51
these responsibilities, when life didn't beat you down.
25:54
It's very much. Like I like the movie Hook, for
25:59
example, does the same thing where he's like has to
26:01
re-examine and get back to his Youth and reconnect with his
26:07
inner child, and it's very much. The same thing for the show, for
26:10
both of them and they go through slightly different Journeys and
26:13
it's The emotional to watch that and it's emotional to see them
26:18
reconnect with each other as well through the course of the
26:21
show. The last thing I want to talk
26:24
about before we cut for just a brief spoiler section is what do
26:28
you think the show is saying about motherhood and Parenthood?
26:32
Because I feel like that was a huge theme throughout the show
26:35
because you know her relationship with her mother is
26:38
so integral to like who she is as a person and she didn't
26:42
realize it until her mother. Was was gone and out of her life
26:46
and her being a mother herself. And then going back to her 20
26:50
year, old self like that, causes some craziness in her inner
26:54
psyche, and she's very distraught and upset cries every
26:59
night because she misses her child, she wants to be there.
27:02
She doesn't know how to get back.
27:03
They don't know how to break the magic, the spell.
27:06
So I'm wondering how you felt about the portrayal of
27:09
motherhood in the Show versus father had especially because
27:12
tribe on do like Doesn't really like it takes a few episodes for
27:17
a hint. To remember.
27:18
Oh, yeah. We have a child.
27:20
And you know, what are we gonna do about that?
27:22
Because even if I want to stay and make some changes here, I'm
27:26
still have a child's, you know, I have a future with a child.
27:29
Yeah, right. Yeah, I thought that was really
27:33
weird. The fact that like Pondo just
27:36
forgot that he's a dad. It just that didn't seem
27:40
convincing to me or maybe it is. I don't know.
27:43
Maybe he's a she Eddie dad, who knows?
27:45
I really, I don't know. The whole thing would change you
27:49
like that was weird. Honestly, I was like, this is a
27:53
little weird just like, this is too much crying for me.
27:57
Child. That has probably exhausted.
27:58
This looks really tiresome. Yeah, yeah.
28:02
I mean it for me like the only way to abstract that into a
28:06
relevant kind of sphere. For me personally is just to
28:10
think of it as like, okay, perhaps this is like an inner
28:12
child work then Perhaps this is you know because like punto has
28:16
like a very specific point. It's like oh my dream was to be
28:20
a filmmaker I love Cinema. It's like it's very specific but
28:25
time that I her character, I don't remember her having that
28:28
doesn't. What was it's like.
28:31
Yeah, well Wisher. So your dream was to be a mom.
28:33
I mean, I guess there's nothing wrong with that.
28:35
There is some women, their dream is to be a mother and they want
28:38
to be a caretaker and they want to put all of their life and
28:40
energy and focus on to that and that is noble and awesome.
28:43
Good. Are you if that is the case and
28:45
perhaps that is the truth for this woman, but I was like,
28:48
okay. But is that, is that really
28:51
truly it and if it is ok, but I can't relate to that because I'm
28:56
not a mother, right? So I just think of it as like,
28:58
okay. Maybe this is her doing like
29:01
inner child, work to perhaps recover from a trauma because
29:06
like when she's in her present day her mother's not there, her
29:11
mother is passed away. She's missing But in this like
29:15
redo she's with her mother but she's also well now missing the
29:19
fact that she herself is a mother, right?
29:22
So I don't know like whatever that Journey means.
29:24
Like, I'm not sure what it is when the represent the
29:27
representation of motherhood. I don't even know.
29:30
But what I do know is that like when it comes to Korean media.
29:35
I mean, this whole thing of like motherhood and moms this like,
29:40
sort of Maria, the st. Mary kind of figure At the the
29:44
sacrificial mother to make you cry your eyes out.
29:49
So you barf that is definitely a thing that Korean television
29:54
writers know how to use to manipulate your emotions into
29:58
crying and to turning the show into a melodrama, right?
30:02
So for me, it's like that is just used as the melodramatic
30:07
tool in this romantic comedy, right?
30:12
Right. I feel like that was definitely.
30:13
Or of the melodrama and it wasn't necessarily like tongue
30:18
that out with her kid. It was her relationship with her
30:22
mom who is played by the Fantastic.
30:26
Kimmy kyung, I love her. She's one of the greatest and
30:29
most who ever graced our key drama screens.
30:32
I love her and you know I feel like that's the best part of the
30:38
show. Like the look, The love story
30:40
story so to speak between her and her mom.
30:43
And Connecting and her just being so appreciative and
30:46
grateful of her mom and her mom's like, what's gotten into
30:48
you? So sorry, that was my phone.
30:54
So anyway, my my instinct is to say that like, yes, absolutely.
30:59
In the Baseline. The sanctity of like motherhood
31:03
is ever present in the show and it is like part of so many
31:07
kdramas and so many writers use it to emotional effect and it's
31:11
not any different in the show. But I don't know, I just felt
31:15
like it was really something to behold her and her relationship
31:19
with her mom, especially knowing like what the future holds for
31:23
them, and her trying to change it and she can't, she feels
31:26
helpless. So it's a lot.
31:29
What would you read the show out of five, told you bottles, if he
31:32
five being, like, the best and like, zero being terrible, I
31:38
mean do I have to you don't have to don't have to.
31:43
Yeah I'm just I'm just going to say no to that because I just I
31:47
don't like reading shows with stars and stuff.
31:50
All right just to me it's like yeah the show the show is
31:53
Meaningful to me in some aspects and in other aspects it's not as
31:58
much but yeah definitely meaningful.
32:00
Okay sure yeah I found that it was really light-hearted at
32:04
times and obviously a lot of melodrama Emma times and the
32:09
motherhood stuff was really touching for me and I would
32:13
probably braid it maybe like four out of five so two bottles
32:18
cause I just like really enjoyed it and it was perfectly paced.
32:24
I thought like it probably could have been even shorter than 12
32:26
episodes but I thought 12 episodes just like proper were
32:29
done. We're leaving so episode count
32:32
was good pacing and all that. And yeah, so I think we're going
32:36
to just jump into spoilers really fast.
32:39
So stick around, we'll be right back.
32:48
Hey, you want to come in? Okay, we're on the other side of
32:51
spoilers guys. So anything goes and I know that
32:54
we've talked a lot about, just the journeys of the characters
32:57
already and what they've gone through, but I do like that the
33:02
show, let's talk about, I guess a little bit about what's that
33:06
live? What's the difference between
33:08
love and familiarity? Because I feel like I wasn't
33:12
quite clear on them getting back.
33:14
Together. Was that because they actually
33:18
loved each other was did that just because they had been
33:21
together for almost 20 years. And so they were familiar with
33:24
each other and they sort of had an action plan of what they were
33:28
going to change and how they were going to love each other
33:31
differently. Now, did you have any thoughts
33:34
on that? Wait, what was the question?
33:40
Do you think it was either? They got to back together
33:43
because of Love or because they were all right familiarity?
33:48
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
33:50
Love and familiarity. I mean, You know, I mean, is
33:54
there I guess there is a difference, it's a very minut
34:00
difference, but in Korean, there's this word called Chung.
34:06
It's I guess it's pronounced the same as my last name, but the
34:13
sign Oak Korean character is written differently.
34:16
It stems from the Chinese character Chun, so the Chinese
34:21
and the Japanese and the Koreans know what this This word means
34:25
and it means it's similar to love and familiarity it
34:32
basically means a feeling or an affection that develops between
34:37
people over a course of time. So time plays a very big role in
34:43
developing Chung with somebody right so whereas like I mean
34:50
Korean parents from a different generate like an older
34:52
generation they Never Go Around saying I love my wife.
34:56
I love my husband. I'm they wouldn't do that.
34:59
Unless perhaps, you know, they were a romantic couple if that's
35:01
the case. Okay great.
35:02
But it was more that was more of an exception rather than the
35:05
rule. The rule was, you know they
35:08
would say a tongue thrust chandragupta or chandrasana,
35:11
which means like damn it. Now I'm attached to you damn it
35:16
now now my heart. Now my heart is attached to
35:19
yours, you know so it's like mmm.
35:24
That comes with time. It's like it's you know even
35:27
even when like you know when you watch these like reality shows
35:31
like you know like on on MTV or whatever like they would like be
35:36
in one house like the real world like they would be in one house
35:39
right? And they would just like he
35:40
didn't fight and drink and sleep and then at the end they would
35:43
all cry cuz they have to go home and there we go.
35:45
But let's stay in. Touch, that's Chong, right?
35:48
They're never going to stay in touch all the hate each other.
35:50
They're not in touch anymore. Trust me, they're not.
35:53
They just ended up like it's this Collective Union that ends
35:57
up happening. When you're just around one
35:59
another, you just get attached. You just start to feel like an
36:04
affinity and an affection in a kinship and it's like, oh, so
36:07
and so feels like my mother in a way, he feels like a father and
36:10
they remind me of my brother. They remind me of my best
36:12
friend. They remind me of a guy.
36:14
I dated, they remind me of a woman, I know.
36:16
And it just becomes like this little mixture, like a pool of
36:20
affection and familiarity that develops and is Is that love?
36:24
Perhaps, in some shallow sense? It is.
36:26
But is it love? Love?
36:28
Love in the sense that like with a capital.
36:30
L like all acceptance unconditionally.
36:33
No, it's not right? It's not.
36:36
So yeah, I would say that with these people, perhaps it's
36:40
closer to Chun more than just pure romantic love, right?
36:46
And it's also Duty, it's a duty, it's a parental duty to return
36:51
to their baby. I think that is Motivating their
36:55
togetherness and it's like if that is the agreement then I
36:59
don't think there's anything wrong with that.
37:01
Go ahead and honor that agreement.
37:02
It's okay. You know, like I mean, not every
37:05
relationship needs to be based in love.
37:09
It doesn't, you know, and for them, I think it's more based in
37:13
Duty for the family, right? Yeah.
37:16
Right. I feel like the show is
37:18
definitely all about upholding these values, right?
37:23
Where it's like, The family unit comes above everything else and
37:27
we need to preserve the family and it reads like it goes back
37:31
to that. What you were talking about
37:32
before the spoiler break about how the previous generation
37:36
would just grit their teeth and and stick it out just to never
37:39
get a divorce. Not just to avoid the stigma
37:41
around getting a divorce but also to keep this shit together,
37:46
you know, like we need to really rally here because we've
37:49
committed to doing this thing and like whether it's raising a
37:52
family or just we made a Thomas and like you're stuck with me.
37:56
Whatever the case may be, that feels like that's also in the
37:59
DNA of them getting back together.
38:03
At the end of the show where I found completely like, in some
38:06
ways. I was like, wow, thank God.
38:08
And then other ways I was like well why she could have went
38:11
with the second male lead. Who yes, he wasn't fleshed-out.
38:15
Yes. He had typical mommy and daddy
38:17
issues at home but like it could have been different.
38:20
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
38:23
And I think, I think, I mean, there are two things that come
38:28
to me. I think the reason why it had to
38:30
end that way is because of jinju's maternal commitment,
38:34
that's yes. And to honor her maternal
38:37
commitment, she has to go back and she has to be with Pandora
38:40
because otherwise it's, it means to lose her baby, right?
38:44
And for her, that was her, that was her, you know, her Destiny,
38:48
her fate that she wanted to honor that.
38:51
The other thing that comes to me now is that That this show aired
38:55
on kbs2, which is Korean broadcasting systems, which is a
39:00
public broadcaster in South Korea, public broadcasting means
39:05
that the show that airs on that channel must serve the public
39:09
meaning. It has to be informative and
39:13
have moral standards. It has to honor family values
39:18
and that's the reason why this show has the ending that it
39:21
does. If it was on TV anime TV series,
39:23
E. Oh my God, it be way fucking
39:25
crazy. Right way crazier?
39:27
It would be like over-the-top hallucinatory.
39:30
I mean, jinju probably would have ended up with Jung Joo,
39:33
Young's character, but because this is on a Family Channel,
39:38
like, a public broadcasting station, and it's oriented
39:41
towards the family. It upholds values, like don't
39:44
get a divorce, you know, commit to each other.
39:48
You can get through this day with the baby and that's also
39:52
tied to South Korea's national issues like the giant decline.
39:57
In birth rates, the giant, you know, Spike and divorces.
40:02
And all of it is tied to the government's needs for their
40:07
demographics. Yeah, this came out in 2017, but
40:11
the statistics has only gotten worse in that department, for,
40:15
for Korea and the birthrate. And it's, I mean, the makes a
40:19
lot of sense that, because of aired on kbs2, it was a little
40:24
bit more. Tame, I guess in terms of
40:28
Storytelling and in terms of how this thing ended because she
40:33
could have gone with Jung kyung. And like, they had really great
40:37
moments together. I don't know if you remember
40:39
some of these but like he takes her home in a taxi ride because
40:42
she mistakes his car for a taxi and she like shakily like gives
40:47
him a credit card to pay its 1999.
40:49
There are no credit card machine so he just looks at it and gives
40:53
it back to her and takes her home like no.
40:56
Since asked, she had just reject him because he's quote, unquote
41:00
smelled like sweat and he just like takes her home silently and
41:05
like that's it. He's very like gives her what
41:08
she needs. Whether it's space, whether it's
41:10
just a ride home and he saves her on this like downhill slope,
41:16
because she's falling, and it's very, like kdrama moment.
41:20
Yes, it's very Tropi. Yes, we saw it from 50 different
41:22
angles but you know, that sort of thing.
41:26
Was built into the second male lead relationship and it wasn't
41:30
until the latter episodes that you know bundle started coming
41:34
back into the the frame here and he like ditched his first love
41:37
who he tried to get with and was like trying to get back into her
41:41
good graces. And yeah a lot of the you know
41:45
things that bundle actually does for her are things that he had
41:48
done before. You know, he got her pads at the
41:53
grocery store and he got her Menstrual cramp medication
41:58
because she had her period and she knew that she had really bad
42:02
cramps. And he like massage her back and
42:04
like this, these kind of motions that are not new to the
42:07
relationship, they might even be habits at this point and he's
42:11
just, like doing this for her and it sort of bridges, their
42:15
relationship more, especially when you know, she's trying to
42:20
think through, like, do I need to go pursue the second male
42:23
lead? Or should I just, it's kind of a
42:25
mother really Mother's relationship, motherly
42:27
relationship with him. It's not very romantic at all.
42:31
So, this sort of thing, it was interesting to me to see how,
42:37
like, almost like the writer was affected, like, halfway through
42:40
the show, they were like, yo, you gotta back it off because
42:42
the second male leaves looking too good.
42:44
And she needs to get back with her husband.
42:47
So, it was like, almost like a 180, they just stopped.
42:51
She just stopped writing stuff about, you know, Donkey, Kong's
42:55
character. And Just went full send on the
42:59
husband's character, so yeah, I don't know.
43:02
I think that set up was just made from the beginning.
43:05
I mean, like, I didn't turn out go back a couple thinking that
43:08
they were not going to be together.
43:10
It's like that's a very obvious thing.
43:12
It's like, well, they're the lead right there breaking up at.
43:16
They are going to be back together like that's a given but
43:20
I mean, I thought it was interesting how jinju says, I
43:24
don't want to date you. You because you smell bad.
43:28
And to me, that's like very, very telling of the fact that
43:32
they will never end up together, because I mean, pheromones is a
43:35
big part of Chemistry Between people.
43:38
And if you, if you're not attracted to somebody, you will
43:40
never ever be attracted to that person.
43:42
There's no lying about it. And yeah, like was not even get
43:46
a lot more romantic towards chinju by meeting all of her,
43:51
maybe a female fantasies in a way.
43:53
Yeah. Way better than Pando in a lot.
43:56
Ways. But it's like, I mean she's in
43:59
a, you know, a young college girls body but she's an Optima.
44:04
Yeah, she's a Middle East woman and middle-aged.
44:06
Women don't give a crap about romantic, blah, blah, blahs.
44:10
They really don't she really comforting.
44:12
Mmm, they want comfort, and pandal knows what Comforts her
44:16
like a massage, like going out and running an errand.
44:20
That's what she wants and needs at this point.
44:22
So it's like, the whole, like fatalism Awesome theme is very
44:27
big in there. It's like if it's not fated to
44:30
be it will never ever be no matter how good the package
44:35
looks. That's.
44:37
Yeah. All over kdrama.
44:38
But yeah, absolutely. And then show, I think what
44:41
really didn't sell me on. Panda was like, he always put
44:45
her down and he was always like, oh yeah, you're not pretty.
44:48
Oh yeah, you don't look good in that.
44:49
Why are you wearing that? You're an Optima kept calling
44:52
her ahjumma and it's like, These things are not like she
44:57
obviously feels very low self-esteem, like the like the
45:03
synopsis said and he's not helping her at all.
45:07
Trying to overcome that or Foster some sort of self-esteem,
45:12
make her feel good, make her feel loved or appreciated.
45:16
And the May Queen competition that she competes in she didn't
45:19
originally but now that she's back in 1999, she decides to
45:23
compete in the May Queen competition.
45:25
And all the guys are swooning and are like pain though is
45:29
mesmerized by her on the stage. But again before that just
45:33
before that he was belittling her he all over the show.
45:38
It seems like he wants to win over her in some way, put her in
45:41
her place and it was so disheartening to see her to see
45:46
him burst her bubble time and time again.
45:49
So that was like I mean that's an interesting observation
45:54
because Was like for me again again, just going back to just
45:59
me being like, culturally Korean.
46:01
I mean, I'm Korean American but I'm culturally Korean as well.
46:04
And it's just like being like roasty and ribbing is a bit of a
46:10
love language among Koreans like, interesting.
46:13
I mean, I'm a, I'm a comic now. So I'm definitely with my tribe.
46:17
Like we're always putting one another down with love and all
46:20
of it are there all jokes, but we can be vicious and I mean
46:25
when my comedian friends rib me and Rose to me, I mean I find it
46:30
so funny like and I feel so loved and seen by them when they
46:36
when they call me out on stuff or you know like make fun of me
46:41
like and rip me a new one. Like there's I get no better
46:44
Greater Joy than when my closest friends do that to me and it's
46:50
like, yeah, it's problematic in a sense because, you know,
46:54
abusive Edwards, do end up taking a toll, but in another
46:58
sense it's like a habitual thing that Korean especially Korean
47:03
couples. Do to one another thinking and
47:06
believing that that is love that.
47:08
That's a love language and I think a lot of couples
47:10
especially when they're older they have that sort of routine
47:14
with each other. And I kind of noticed how you
47:18
brought up the word, self-esteem multiple times on this
47:23
recording. Whereas I For once, wondered
47:26
about her self-esteem at all. Mmm.
47:28
And in the case with jinju, I think she had to go back and
47:34
confront this whole like baby thing and inner child thing,
47:37
because she was not good at loving herself.
47:41
Self-esteem is not an issue of other people.
47:43
Ultimately self-esteem is an issue of can you love and accept
47:48
yourself for who and what you are in this present moment,
47:51
fully and unconditionally, that's all it is and it's if the
47:55
Answer is no, then it's like, okay, well, there are tools and
47:58
there are ways that you can get yourself to that place and it
48:01
will never ever ever come from a husband.
48:05
Yeah, no, I completely agree with that.
48:08
I think that Majin do was for me.
48:12
I saw her constantly crumbling whenever he would put her down,
48:16
or say, these ribbing comments to her, especially, like, going
48:21
back in time. Obviously, in the future, I'm
48:24
sorry. The present day she was not
48:28
laughing, she wasn't entertained, she wasn't feeling
48:31
loved when he would do that to her.
48:34
And in the past she almost took matters into her own hands and
48:37
she was like, well, even if you don't think I'm beautiful,
48:39
everybody here does and maybe I am and it's like, she accepts it
48:43
for herself and participating. In the May Queen competition was
48:47
more for her because she didn't even win and she was, she felt
48:51
good about it. She felt good about performing
48:54
and singing. Singing, which again, like,
48:56
that's in her wheelhouse. Anyway, in tongue that has
48:59
wheelhouse. But yeah, that whole competition
49:03
and the way that, you know just her developing some confidence
49:10
on the stage was making him fall for her.
49:14
Again, making pain do like rethink and like he was like oh
49:18
my God, he turned other people and he was like does she look
49:21
amazing to you or what? And they were like.
49:22
No, not everyone looks like that like she looks really good.
49:25
Good. So again it's just like I don't
49:28
know why he wouldn't think to maybe change.
49:31
Yes, it's a love language to some people, but it definitely
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didn't seem like a love language to her.
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And I think what we can, oh, sorry, go ahead.
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Yeah, no just to add, I think it just means again.
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Like it doesn't matter what Panda thinks.
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It doesn't matter what pain does says or does when it comes to a
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healthy self-esteem and a healthy ego.
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It's up to jinju herself to go and find that and participating
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in events, like the May queen, or a talent show or going and
50:05
finding her own thing, right? That is going to be the means to
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attaining a self-esteem and a healthy ego.
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And no matter what Punk was says, wouldn't shake her Her if
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she had that subtle that's solidity in her like I'm saying
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like when my comedian friends rib me and write down, write
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funny as hell. I'm not sure if you don't have
50:29
them out of the issues but because I don't give a crap what
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anybody says or thinks about me or my body or my opinion,
50:37
doesn't matter. I like it.
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I love it. I love the way I am.
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So go off. It's okay.
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That's the point. That's why she had to go back.
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That's why she had to confront her.
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Stand that way because she was lost, she was totally
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disconnected from who she was. All she could do was cry about
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her dead mother or cry about how her husband's not meeting her
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needs or cry about how our baby's missing is.
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All she could do. It always had to do it.
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Other people missing but it's like no, no, nobody is going to
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fill that up for you. You gotta go it and get it
51:09
yourself. So to me pain, do it didn't
51:12
really bother me as much. Yeah, I think she there's a
51:15
scene at the beginning of the show where she is out and about
51:18
with her. Be in the stroller and she has
51:20
like a stain on her shirt and she looks really run down and
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she's self-conscious by just one person like looking at her.
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She's feels very self-conscious. She tries to hide the stain and
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you know it's all about I think in the past like you said it's
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going back and just finding that place where she feels beautiful
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all on her own and absolutely like feeling beautiful in the
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present day. Like, Nothing to do with like on
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do at the end of the day and I've had everything to do with
51:53
her and how she saw herself. I do wish like really quick,
51:59
like, going back to that note that you were like, she doesn't
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really have a dream when she was in her 20s.
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And I do feel like that's a Miss on the show because like tomando
52:07
had such a clear, like, oh, I love movies, he had all these
52:10
movie posters which were great to see.
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Like, yeah. Brad Pitt from Legends of the
52:14
Fall, and Titanic, and Truman Show, and ghosts and Leon the
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Professional. All these.
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He's different movie posters and you could tell that he was a
52:21
movie buff. And he really liked that was
52:23
part of his personality. And in going back, she didn't
52:28
have like these touch points that you were like, oh, she like
52:31
to do this or oh, she was into that back then.
52:34
She had this dream and it wasn't explicit that she wanted to be a
52:37
mother either. So I was like, I don't really
52:40
get like what the, what her what she was aiming for.
52:43
She was a history, major, but like she didn't seem that
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interested in History either. Yeah.
52:50
I feel like that. Yeah.
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And I think I think that's the reason why she had self-esteem
52:55
issues. That was the reason why when
52:56
she's an older woman like she feels like she's empty and
52:59
missing and they're all these gaps and it's like I don't think
53:04
the show was trying to falter for that know the show was just
53:07
revealing to know, it was just revealing to everybody.
53:11
It's like some people at a certain point in their lives
53:15
look back and realize that their life has been that empty That
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that they've been dictating their whole lives around, fears
53:22
and expectations of other people and it could, it could happen at
53:27
age, 7 or it could happen at age 70.
53:30
It doesn't like, there's no way to know and it's like, for some
53:35
people, like, when they reach that Pinnacle of divorce, a lot
53:39
of the times, it's that I have, I have I have friends around me
53:42
now who are getting divorced, because they're, like, I didn't
53:45
know who I was, and I think that's what's And ginger because
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it's like she didn't know who she was.
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And that's why she felt lost all the time.
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But what she did know is once she became a mother, it's like
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now, I know who I am. Now, I know I have a sense of
54:01
purpose and it's like, that is just as honorable and okay, you
54:07
know, and that's why she had to go back.
54:08
So the show is actually very nuanced and complex and being
54:12
able to deliver some kind of painful truth.
54:16
That could actually be Eating Lee traumatic when a woman
54:20
especially in her late 30s or mid 40s or whatever, when they
54:25
suddenly confront that and that's actually the case with a
54:29
lot of Korean mothers. A lot like countless Korean
54:33
mothers because patriarchy is so like such a Stranglehold in that
54:38
country. So I want to wrap up with just
54:42
looking at some of the comedic B because you're a comedian and I
54:45
don't know if you remembered some of these things but they I
54:48
think the friends had like a Bruce Lee outfit going on for
54:52
much of the show and they even comment on it.
54:55
And that was pretty funny to see the long hair on yoo-kyung, who
55:00
plays the character duck chick. I don't know if you remember
55:03
that scene, how they revealed it, they were being punished in
55:08
there. It's not a club.
55:10
It's like their major They were, I can't remember engineering.
55:16
I think they were engineering majors and they were being
55:19
punished in a written one of the classrooms.
55:21
And they were like, man. I just wish that a girl would
55:25
like come through and save us because they were like, this
55:28
whole thing will end if by some miracle, a girl walks in the
55:30
room and they think that a girls walking up into the room and
55:34
it's actually Yi kyung because he looks his silhouette.
55:38
Looks like a girl, which is a pretty nice bait and switch.
55:43
Yeah, can become be tagged wise. I thought it was really funny.
55:47
Yeah. The flashback of her getting
55:49
freaked out by The Ghost and Library which isn't really a
55:52
ghost at all. And they put the psycho musical
55:55
score over top of it, which I thought was brilliant.
55:58
It's not even like the actual It's like the opening credits of
56:05
psycho, which I thought was like, who's gonna know?
56:07
This is particularly a psyche from the Psycho movie.
56:12
Yeah. And then they spoofed to kdramas
56:14
as well, they spoofed Goblin. They started playing like the
56:19
Beautiful Life song from Goblin. And then they also spoke
56:25
descendants of the sun with like a clear.
56:27
Rip, she drops a handkerchief and the guy comes and looks All
56:32
the part of some dookie and I thought those were really good
56:36
moments. Did you did you have any moments
56:38
that you remember being really funny to you?
56:45
I mean, like again the writer is a comedy writer.
56:48
She's a sitcom writer. So it's like, that's a given.
56:52
I feel like comedic, not so much, but perhaps like a
56:57
satirical sort of moment that I appreciated on this show is the
57:03
scene. I think it was an episode 2.
57:06
When change is walking somewhere and a guy on campus Apus grabs
57:12
her by the wrist and yank sir towards him and he's a stranger.
57:16
She don't know who he is, but there's like a slow-motion
57:18
effect. It's like romanticized, but
57:22
she's like not responding in a romantic way.
57:24
She's kind of like what the hell, you know?
57:28
And I was like, oh, this is great because they're the
57:32
creators of the show are spoofing on that Trope of the
57:36
wrist, grab him like like for me, I bark about it all the time
57:41
on my Cast. But I hate that moment because
57:44
it's like, first of all, why how dare you write like that's her,
57:48
that's her wrist. Yeah.
57:49
Like why are you yanking her around toward that's very
57:52
aggressive and violent and unnecessary.
57:55
It's not cool. You know?
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And the show was satirizing that it's like, yeah, this is in
58:01
Korean dramas all the time and they frame it at a romantic
58:04
Meson son, but it's not. Okay, stop doing it, you know,
58:08
right? And so I appreciated that
58:10
moment. Yeah, I like that move into.
58:15
We need to have more like we need to do satire on more tropes
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but yeah, that was a really good one.
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Well, I think we're coming to the end of the episode coming to
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the end of my notes. So do you have anything to add
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58:37
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58:48
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58:55
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