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Football at Four: Delving Into Eagles Big Win Over Giants The Day After · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Football at four. Hurts gives it off, no fakes,
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  Speaker 1: He fires complate touchdown Dallas Cotter the second of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Great play call. So this play has multiple options. He
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  Speaker 2: gives the dive. It's play action. He puts it in
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  Speaker 2: the belly of the running back. No, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: you to have it. He pulls it out. He has
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  Speaker 2: the option to keep a town to Dallas Goddard.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, Football four powered by the Inside of
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  Speaker 1: the Birds Podcast. That's Merril Reese on the call on
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas Goddard touchdown reception. He had two in the game,
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  Speaker 1: back for a Monday edition of Football at four thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight to twenty. You know, probably most the most fluid
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  Speaker 1: the offense has looked all season, and it happens come
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  Speaker 1: with no Aj Brown. They had a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: something going everywhere. They had two running backs going, not
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  Speaker 1: just one. They didn't just get Saquon going. They got
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  Speaker 1: two guys going. They threw it all over the yard.
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  Speaker 1: DeVante Smith heavily involved. They had some creative play calls.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like there was a rhythm and a reason.
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  Speaker 1: Probably the best overall performance offensively of the season.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, without a doubt. It was the best overall performance
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  Speaker 3: of the season. And I think what it showed you
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  Speaker 3: and everybody really was And I was asked about this
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  Speaker 3: a lot you saw were you you know, was it
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  Speaker 3: Sekwon Barkley, Saquon Barkley doing something wrong?
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  Speaker 2: It Saquon Barkley not the same guys he heard? Is
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  Speaker 2: he that? Well?
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  Speaker 3: No, you could see when you execute blocks like the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles did that, it's not just Saquon Barkley who benefited,
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  Speaker 3: but so did Tank Bigsby. I mean, you saw the holes.
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  Speaker 3: You saw these guys run through them. You saw both
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  Speaker 3: of them be able to do what they do best,
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  Speaker 3: which is Saquon getting to the second level and then
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  Speaker 3: putting the jets on.
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  Speaker 2: Big b is a hard, powerful runner.
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  Speaker 3: You saw him breaking tackles and making contact and dragging guys.
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  Speaker 3: And so to me, it's never been about the running back.
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  Speaker 3: It's always been about the offensive line and the offensive scheme.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the big run early in the game, that
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  Speaker 1: kind of sets the tone because they break that one
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  Speaker 1: off and then it felt like after that the offensive
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  Speaker 1: line just started to get some confidence of like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: now we're having some fun, and they just kind of
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  Speaker 1: worked off that. But this looked more like the offense
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  Speaker 1: from last year where they got the big run and
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  Speaker 1: then they were able to work off of it. But
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  Speaker 1: what did you take from the passing game and did
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  Speaker 1: it look different? Did it feel different the passing game?
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  Speaker 1: They only threw the ball twenty times, but it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like guys were open. There was like, you know, guys
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  Speaker 1: kind of running free in the you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: passing game yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: So the Giants typically play a dime defense. That's where
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  Speaker 3: they've played some of their best defense this year. They
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  Speaker 3: haven't played great defense, but that's what they do when
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  Speaker 3: they get you in a passing yet excuse me, but
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  Speaker 3: they were out pulsing the Debo and Javon Holland two
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  Speaker 3: really important players in their secondary, so that forced them
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  Speaker 3: to have to play different packages that they weren't used to.
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  Speaker 3: And then Cordell Flott, who was an outside corner who's
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  Speaker 3: normally not a starter, had to come out of the game.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he is a start, but he had to
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  Speaker 3: come out of the game. Deontay Banks had to start.
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  Speaker 3: Float came out of the game with an injury. So
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  Speaker 3: then they were on like a free agent street free
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  Speaker 3: agent corner who got you know, beat on that DeVante
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  Speaker 3: I mean the John Dotson touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: So they were They were in a tough PNE So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they were.
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  Speaker 3: There were players that were open and the Eagles took
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  Speaker 3: advantage of. The Eagles were also without a j. Brown,
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  Speaker 3: so they were underhand. They were shorthanded as well. They
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  Speaker 3: did some things differently on offense again to combat to
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  Speaker 3: help themselves out and to go against what the Giants
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  Speaker 3: were showing on defense. But the only thing that stands
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  Speaker 3: out from a negative is that they continue to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Very bad third down offense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know that would be if fixing the run
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  Speaker 3: game was number one, And you're feeling that now the
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  Speaker 3: next focus should be how do they get better on
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  Speaker 3: third down? Because they've been so good in the red
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  Speaker 3: zone that they've compensated for the fact that they had
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  Speaker 3: they were not very good on third down.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned these wrinkles a lot of under center. How
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  Speaker 1: has that kind of made adjustments and change this offense
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  Speaker 1: a little bit? The last two weeks they've really kind
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  Speaker 1: of gone under center almost exclusively.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, not exclusively. I mean they've added it to
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  Speaker 3: their offense. I think last week against the Vikings when
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  Speaker 3: they first there was about sixteen snaps, but if you
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  Speaker 3: take away that the victory formation and the tush push,
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  Speaker 3: it was like, you know, no, it was about sixteen
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  Speaker 3: and now they may have done it fifteen sixteen more
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  Speaker 3: time and counted yet I did last week. So it's
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  Speaker 3: a part of their offense that is helping them. And
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  Speaker 3: then throwing Fred Johnson in as an extra offensive tackle
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  Speaker 3: one about eight or ten snaps also helps.
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  Speaker 2: And they've been throwing the ball.
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  Speaker 1: They've been throwing the ball with the extra lineman, so
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  Speaker 1: that kind of like the aft to right.
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  Speaker 3: You got to mix it up. You can't just if
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  Speaker 3: you do. If you just run it every time, they're
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  Speaker 3: going to know right. And the whole point was to
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  Speaker 3: diversify your offense. And then I thought they they made
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  Speaker 3: a concerted effort to get some runs that were I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to call them outside zone, but outside the
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  Speaker 3: tackle off tackle as opposed to straight inside between the tackles.
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  Speaker 2: So that that took the pressure off Bett.
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  Speaker 3: Brettote that to make difficult blocks up the middle, but
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  Speaker 3: it took advantage of his athleticism.
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  Speaker 2: He's a pretty good athlete.
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  Speaker 3: He's played garden tackle and center, so you got you
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  Speaker 3: see him.
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  Speaker 2: You saw him get outside.
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  Speaker 3: And get some lead blocks in the second level on
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  Speaker 3: those outside runs.
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  Speaker 2: So that was helpful too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you just said outside runs, that's something we haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot of. And I thought they went to
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  Speaker 1: the outside, especially with Big Spear. I mean he ran hard,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a little burst, but you saw more outside
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  Speaker 1: runs this particular week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and some you know when you when you
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  Speaker 2: run to the outside.
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  Speaker 3: The way the Eagles do it right is usually through
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  Speaker 3: pinpolls or you know, taking line linemen and moving that
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  Speaker 3: pulling them is what we call it right. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it was difficult with Cam Jurgen's in there because
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  Speaker 3: he just has been dealing with coming back from the
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  Speaker 3: back surgery, and of course Landon Dickerson has been banged up.
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  Speaker 2: All of them have been banged up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But I kept telling you I felt like the more
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  Speaker 3: distance we got from some of these injuries, the better
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  Speaker 3: it would it would get, And obviously this was the
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  Speaker 3: week that they felt that they could get that outside
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  Speaker 3: run game going and.
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  Speaker 1: Did Jeff Mosher from the Inside of the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: and Philly Voyce looking back at the Eagles win over
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  Speaker 1: the Giants and some of the things in this game. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: one big one that wasn't there was aj Brown and
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  Speaker 1: he is obviously their biggest, biggest play threat. But not
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  Speaker 1: having them why were they successful without him?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of factors, you know. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I thought they were. I thought the offense, the quarterback
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  Speaker 3: was well protected. And if you're well protected and you've
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  Speaker 3: got Dallas Goddard and Devonte Smith, you still should be
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  Speaker 3: able to move the ball. You know, in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the games where they played without aj Brown, specifically
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  Speaker 3: the tam Bay games, things they were also dealing with
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  Speaker 3: other injuries in those games that either impacted pass protection
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  Speaker 3: or impacted.
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  Speaker 2: The quarterback in some kind of way.
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  Speaker 3: But in this case, you know, you're going up again
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  Speaker 3: against the Giants defense missing two starters in the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: You blocked it up well up front thanks to a
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  Speaker 3: your running game and B pass pro has been pretty
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  Speaker 3: good this year. Anyway, I thought the Giants did a
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  Speaker 3: bad job of They did a good job of moving
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  Speaker 3: Hurts off his mark, but a bad job of of
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  Speaker 3: even when they spied him containing his rush. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he got out of the they didn't have a discipline rush,
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  Speaker 3: so he was able to make some things happen.
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  Speaker 2: And then Devant's missed really good.
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  Speaker 3: You put him up against anybody and he's gonna him
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  Speaker 3: and godd it are gonna get their their catches.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think it's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's politically correct now where we could say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, when the Eagles get into the red zone,
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  Speaker 3: they kind of come up with creative stuff we haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen before, especially to Gotter, right, I mean, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Deserve some credit there. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the second touchdown to guy it was a
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  Speaker 1: really cool play. I'm not saying that, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a really well executed play. We hear Jalen Hurts talk
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  Speaker 1: about that a lot, like we need to execute better.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes these guys call play and if we don't execute them,
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  Speaker 1: it makes that guy look bad. And that's a play
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  Speaker 1: that they execute it well. So it's a well designed,
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  Speaker 1: well called and well executed play and then you see
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  Speaker 1: what the result is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a play they've run in the past.
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  Speaker 3: They did it against the Steelers, last year, they did
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  Speaker 3: it against another team, I think maybe the Giants. It's
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  Speaker 3: a run action play with an RPO tag, meaning the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback has three different things he can do. He can
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  Speaker 3: hand it off to the running back, he can run himself,
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  Speaker 3: or he can flip it to Goddard if the if
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  Speaker 3: the defense does what they think it's going to do.
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  Speaker 3: And in most cases on that tag, like last year, Hurts,
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  Speaker 3: like Goddard would come across the line and Hurts would
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  Speaker 3: sort of flick it to him right and almost like
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  Speaker 3: a shovel pass, and he would pick up extra yards.
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  Speaker 3: But Goddard noticed that the linebacker was crashing pretty hard
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  Speaker 3: like he was. It was scraping down really fast, so
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  Speaker 3: that I mean, so Goddard just made a decision I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna go vertical, and Hurts saw it and threw it.
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  Speaker 3: So instead of flick it became an actual just a
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  Speaker 3: pass down night kind of that right seam area and
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  Speaker 3: turned into a really nice touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was a really good play, and
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  Speaker 1: you talk about the play caller. We said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: anybody who thinks in week one you're gonna do a
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  Speaker 1: better job than you might do in week seventeen, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's just not realistic. And it seemed that yesterday there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot more comfortable. There was a lot more flow,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot more fluidity, there's a lot more
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  Speaker 1: setting things up, there's a lot more rhyme and reason
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  Speaker 1: in the play call, and you're like, hey, maybe this
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  Speaker 1: guy's just starting to feel a little bit more. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just ironic that it happened in the game that
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  Speaker 1: A J. Brown not play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if they if they played more freely because AJ Brown's
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  Speaker 3: a very popular person in that locker room, maybe hurts
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  Speaker 3: felt a little bit more free.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not like he threw the ball all around.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, his biggest pass was obviously the one Johan
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  Speaker 3: and he hit. Davante smith had twenty attempts. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: only had twenty attempts. That's my point.
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  Speaker 2: The Dotson.
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  Speaker 1: If you go back and watch that play, Davante smith
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  Speaker 1: Man fell and he was wide open, so you can
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  Speaker 1: make a case that he threw it to the wrong guy.
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  Speaker 1: Even though he ends up making a great throw and
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  Speaker 1: Dotson ends up making a great catch on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: he could have literally just said here you go to
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  Speaker 1: Smith because Smith's man fell on the move that Smith
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  Speaker 1: put on him. But yeah, he only did the ball
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  Speaker 1: twenty times, but it just felt like, you know, little
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  Speaker 1: inside crossers to Smith, He's wide open catching the ball
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  Speaker 1: with space and in front of guys. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: just felt like the amount of room and space that
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  Speaker 1: they had in the past game was something we just
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen all year. Everything always just seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: got to be the perfect throw or the perfect route,
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  Speaker 1: and yesterday it just felt like, hey, look at this,
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  Speaker 1: there's space.
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  Speaker 2: There's room to.
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  Speaker 1: Rome in the in the giant secondary. Who, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the giant secondary stinks, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, especially when you're without two decent starters in the
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  Speaker 3: DUBO and those were two free agent signings that were
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  Speaker 3: playing fairly decently for that. I mean, again, they hadn't
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  Speaker 3: played great as a defense. I think they're on the
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  Speaker 3: field a little bit too much for four weeks. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they have some pretty good players on defense that made
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  Speaker 3: it a little bit easier with them being being out.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, the Giants are going to kick themselves,
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  Speaker 3: like because the Eagles. I think we talked about this
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  Speaker 3: last week, so we've been saying, can the Eagles continue
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  Speaker 3: to be at play offense and get where they want
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  Speaker 3: to go? In my response that has been yes, but
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  Speaker 3: only if they have a run game, right, And this
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  Speaker 3: proved out to be true because a they had a
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  Speaker 3: great run game, but they were still a shot play offense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, look at their five biggest plays. Second
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  Speaker 2: and ten is when Barkley gets a sixty five yard touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Giants are gonna kick themselves.
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  Speaker 3: You get a great stop on first down, second and ten,
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  Speaker 3: you let up.
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  Speaker 2: A sixty five yard touchdown, right, third and six.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the dotson second and twenty six and you
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  Speaker 3: give up a twenty nine yard run. First and fifteen
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  Speaker 3: and you give up a twenty six yard pas. So
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  Speaker 3: the Giants are gonna look it back and say, man,
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  Speaker 3: we had them in some pretty unfavorable down and distant
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  Speaker 3: scenarios for them, and they still got their shot plays.
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  Speaker 2: So they're gonna kick themselves on that.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of things that I want to look forward to.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're at the bye week, and here you are
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  Speaker 1: six and two. You're in second place in the NFC
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  Speaker 1: or a game behind Green Bay, who you will play
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  Speaker 1: next week, So obviously you're in a good spot here.
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  Speaker 1: But they do have a couple interesting I think things
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  Speaker 1: to kind of self scout, self evaluate it to thing,
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  Speaker 1: what is going to happen with the Dean Campbell situation snaps.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say situation that makes it sound
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  Speaker 1: like there's like some friction or something. But you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because Campbell only played twenty snaps, You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get Nolan Smith back. You're gonna get Brandon Graham back.
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  Speaker 1: Azizos Alari was not active because he was injured, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to activate him. Josh
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  Speaker 1: Usse played thirty plus snaps in the game, ended up
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  Speaker 1: getting a big hit on it calls to not a
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  Speaker 1: fun bull quote unquote, but the ball came out of
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  Speaker 1: Dart's hands, whatever you want to call that. How is
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  Speaker 1: Campbell going to have a role in this defense?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Nikobe played thirty three snaps in
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 3: And you said Campbell played one, played twenty one, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and some of those were at edge, most of them
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  Speaker 3: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Think that what's that probably most of them?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean because because he's.
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  Speaker 1: Getting the snaps that he's getting now are as an
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  Speaker 1: edge guy, and those are gonna probably go away when
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  Speaker 1: Nolan comes back, and Brandon's gonna have to get snapped somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and Ouch is playing thirty. So yeah, and if O
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  Speaker 1: Jallari's active, which doesn't mean he has to be, but
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be very difficult for Vic to figure
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  Speaker 1: out unless he just found out says, Dean's won that job.
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  Speaker 1: You're standing next to me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is Campbell played edge when when the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles are in a five to two front, and that
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  Speaker 3: enables them to have that extra down line Enman and
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  Speaker 3: then Nikobe can play off ball linebacker. But when they're
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  Speaker 3: in nickel, I don't think Dean was still the guy
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  Speaker 3: in nickel. He may have been on a few, but
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  Speaker 3: I think that's still where Campbell goes. Where they're in
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  Speaker 3: a four to two looking front, which is where they
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  Speaker 3: want to be most often, because they want to be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in that nickel alignment.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll have to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, I suspect that Vick will continue to play them
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  Speaker 3: all and just figure out what down and distances are
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  Speaker 3: best for who, and when he wants to use Campbell
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  Speaker 3: off the ball, and when he wants to use him
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  Speaker 3: on the ball. Remember, yes, Brandon Graham's coming back. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if he's gonna play. You know, thirty five
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  Speaker 3: percent of the snaps as soon as he gets back,
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  Speaker 3: O Jilari, you want to see you that he was
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  Speaker 3: inactive for the first war. Four weeks he could go
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  Speaker 3: back to being inactive. So and then there's a trade deadline.
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  Speaker 2: It's all unanswerable.
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  Speaker 1: And five sacks in the game. You got Nolan Smith
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  Speaker 1: coming back, you now have Brandon Graham. Do you reevaluate
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  Speaker 1: your necessity for and focus on corner?
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  Speaker 2: No? No, because how many of those sacks came from edge?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you keep getting them from the inside.
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  Speaker 2: That's my point, like you you know, and by the way,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: let's be fair. Let's be fair.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: How many of those sacks that Jackson Dart run into?
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, were those sacks? Because you're right, but
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: one Jordan Davis got was because somebody that dark right
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: run into him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking the questions because people will see five sacks
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: and think, hey, they got five sacks. You're answering in
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: a way to tell those people that those five sacks
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: are a little bit more of a miarage than getting
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: five sacks.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: A little bit, you know, I mean, I'm not saying
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: they didn't get good pressure, but I mean Vic still
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: felt like he had to throw a decent amount.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Of sim pressures and blitzes.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: You know, you got a sack from Carter, he got
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: a sack from Davis, You got a sack from a Joemo.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: One from Hunt, although he should probably should have had two,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: but he couldn't.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: You know, he lost his grip on I thought by far. Yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I thought I thought the Alex Hunt was pretty good.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: And and now is about the time, you know, halfway
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: through year two where the development is going along and
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: you're hoping he really picks it up over the second
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: half of the season because he has to.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: He's really their best overall edge rusher.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you figure, by the way, Ojomo had one, So
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you had Ojomo, Carter, and Davis all get a sex.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So three came from tackle. I think Ojomo leads a
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: team in sacks.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, Yes, because he's now finally overtaken Zadarius Smith.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I know he has more than one and a
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: half OJE. Yeah he has he has four sacks. So
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: he has four sacks. I think that leads a team. Well, yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: you got three from there. The one Campbell actually had
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Dart's legs and Uce took him out, I mean and calls,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So Campbell got a little bit of pressure. But I
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: do think it's interesting what's gonna happen when Nolan comes
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: back if Hunt starts to like get more involved. Now
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna know this because you have the by
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: coming up here, But after this bye, is Nolan Smith
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you think going to be ready to play in Green Bay.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I think they have to get him out on the
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: practice field first and see how he responds. How I mean,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: this is guy coming off the same injury, right, A
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: tweak of the pack that kept him out quite a
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: while after surgery.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not the pack.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to try Sam after surgery on it in
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: the offseason. So you know, they've got to see how
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: he responds to it. It's not a given that he's
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: back by that Monday night game.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: You'll probably have Brandon Graham back out there.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I would think.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I thought another big factor in this game.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't because we did hit on it a couple
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of weeks was the return game was much better and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: put them in much better you know, starting positions huge.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most underdiscussed parts of
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: the game so far. And you know, I've been telling
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: you a week by week the Eagles field position has
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: been a major impediment to their offense, especially their rushing
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: offense or just in general.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: And Will Shipley gave them two really good returns.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I think Gibson gave him a seventeen yard punt return.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: And the Eagles on both both of Shipley's kick returns,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: which were over thirty yards each, they scored.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Touchdowns on those drives.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you that that's you know, A plus
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: B equals C, but I'm pretty confident that there's some
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: cause and effect there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Pretty confident that aj Dillon probably doesn't get to carry
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the rest of the year.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Not only that, you know, it's something Adam and I
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: talked about on Inside the Birds postgame show. Is his
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: job is a spot on the fifty three in Jeopardy
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Now that some guys are going to come off I
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: r and maybe some additions in the trade market.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine he has no role if moving
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: forward here. By the way, a big third down play
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: in the game was Darius Cooper drawing that pass interference.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: It was you know, he was out there pretty early
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: as they tried to He's the only receiver they have
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Mike that you can legitimately call a true backup X
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: to AJ Brown because it's two two hundred and three
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: pounds six foot like he's a big, strong wide receiver.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: And without a J Brown, they really had a lot
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of guys you could say, all right, you're my boundary
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: reacts and you're gonna get off press coverage if they
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: try to, you know, like you don't want Devonte Smid
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: there too many times taking all that punishment and and
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: seor Johnny Metschi you or Johan Dotson.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So it was good to see Cooper out there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I agree, And you know it was Docson
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: had the one catch, you know, twenty reception, twenty pass
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: attempts all day. So it wasn't like they were crazy,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: but they were very effective there. The run game, they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: had like two hundred and seventy five yards. Two hundred
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and fifty of them came from Bigsby Bigsby's second down
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in thirty one that was a big play in the game.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: He gets the.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: First down on that play ended ended up being a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: big deal, so they looked like an offense that is
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: obviously ascending. They have the bye week and then the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, followed by the Lions, then the Cowboys,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: so it's a stretch here of interesting games with some
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: high powered offenses. That's all coming up here. Football four
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: will have you covered Jeff Boscher from the Inside the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Birds pie Cast. They'll have plenty of coverage of the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Eagles at Inside the Birds dot com and the Inside
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the Birds podcast, which you can get on all podcasting
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: platforms and check them out over at Philly Voice dot com.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: His observations of the Eagles win are up right now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, we'll talk to you.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Mike Tick here