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SMNTY Classics: Witchy Women · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and somebody,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to stuff I've never told your
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Speaker 1: protection of I heart radio, I guess her today's questions.
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Speaker 1: We're for this feminis movie Friday. We're talking about two
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Speaker 1: movies that I had never seen, but you had. What
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Speaker 1: was it like rewatching them for you? Uh? Yeah? So
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Speaker 1: I really did forget everything about both movies, which are
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Speaker 1: practical magic in which is of east Wick? Yes, but
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Speaker 1: I will say for both of them, the fashion alone
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Speaker 1: took me back, and I actually went off on which
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Speaker 1: is of east Wick, because I'm like, it's back that
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Speaker 1: fashion is bad. What they were wearing they're wearing now
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy, what is happening? The fashion was
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Speaker 1: pretty astounding. I in fact, um realized that I had
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Speaker 1: the shirt Sandra Bullock is wearing in Practical Magic when
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Speaker 1: she's like running to this kiss, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: I laughed so hard at that scene, and I'm singing
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Speaker 1: that next time we can have karaoke, um, and she's
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Speaker 1: running in the beginning to her apple guy. I had
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Speaker 1: that shirt she was wearing. I owned that in high school.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are you ready for that range?
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Speaker 1: Because faith Hill has a whole different range. I'm probably
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Speaker 1: just going to butcher agreement. Are you gonna streement? You're
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Speaker 1: gonna at it like, yeah, exactly exactly. Um. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: today we're talking about those two movies. Uh and trigger
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Speaker 1: warning for talks of abuse and abusive relationships. Obviously we're
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Speaker 1: not going to get too into the details of that.
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Speaker 1: But if you've seen um these movies, then you know
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Um. Practical Magic is getting a
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Speaker 1: prequel on HBO Max called Rules of Magic. UM. And
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, accidentally timely in a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases now, because all these witchy movies we've been
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Speaker 1: talking about are getting some sort of remake or sequel,
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Speaker 1: like The Craft, Pocus Pocus, The Witches and by the way,
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Speaker 1: Hocus Focus is now the top grossing movie in theaters.
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Speaker 1: In just beat Empire strikes back. People like these witching
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Speaker 1: witching movies as you should. It's so good, I will say, Uh,
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Speaker 1: just throw this out there, which is of Eastwick. I
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Speaker 1: don't see any necessarily remakes. There's kind of like back
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Speaker 1: and forth. But I did see in like the early
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Speaker 1: two thousands or two thousand nine. I believe Rebecca Romaine
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Speaker 1: started in a TV show version of it called Eastwick
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Speaker 1: did not last long apparently. I don't remember this well.
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Speaker 1: If any listeners know having information on that show or remember,
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Speaker 1: please right in. Um, so let's get right into it.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna start with Practical Magic. Um. Practical Magic is
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Speaker 1: a rom com. I anstitate to call it that, but
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the closest thing. It is, starring Sandra
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Speaker 1: Bullock Nicole Kidman as sisters Sally and Jillian Owens, who yes,
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Speaker 1: are witches. Um. It's based on Alice Hoffman book of
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Speaker 1: the same name. When the movie came out, it was
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Speaker 1: hammered by critics. Hammered um and entertainment wee clear review
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Speaker 1: said it must have had a hex on it. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Some declared it anti feminist because of the focus on
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Speaker 1: love spells and heterosexual relationships. Like most of these movies
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about recently, though, it went on to
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Speaker 1: get a cult following, and it was also a rarity
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Speaker 1: for its time, a cast of mostly women, where the
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Speaker 1: women were the main characters and the men had a
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Speaker 1: little agency, and these women were multigenerational women. Um, it
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Speaker 1: really defied genre. And it's well loved. Uh. It has
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Speaker 1: a five star rating on Amazon Prime with almost seven
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Speaker 1: thousand reviews right This film is directed by Griffin Dune, who,
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Speaker 1: by the way, it was a lifelong friend with Carrie Fishers,
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Speaker 1: who said he understood the movie as a story of
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Speaker 1: strong women passing on a legacy generation to generation. And
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Speaker 1: they brought a witch consultant on set who demanded a
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Speaker 1: percentage of the movie earnings and an additional two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, but when she refused, she lost it. Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: she said, quote, I'm going to put a curse on you.
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Speaker 1: I'm putting a curse on this movie, and I'm putting
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Speaker 1: a curse on Griffith. Apparently, she started speaking in tongues
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Speaker 1: and sued Warner Brothers and the recording of her scared
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Speaker 1: legal so much that they just eventually paid her um.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, this became the inspiration for one
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Speaker 1: of the most well known lines in the film, which
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Speaker 1: is curses only have power if you believe in them.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, Griffith got a mini exorcism. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he it was in an article with Fulster. I believe
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Speaker 1: and he said he paid a hundred dollars for it.
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Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, I don't believe it,
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Speaker 1: but I was nervous enough that why not justink case?
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Speaker 1: Why would it hurt? So the plot of this film
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Speaker 1: all of the two sisters Yeah, who were raised by
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Speaker 1: their aunts whom I loved played by soccer Channing and
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Speaker 1: Diane was East West Um after the death of their parents,
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Speaker 1: as they battle a curse on their family that sentences
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Speaker 1: any man and Owen's woman falls in love with two
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Speaker 1: deaths and this is this curse took their parents from them.
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Speaker 1: Their mother died of a heartbreak after her husband was
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Speaker 1: killed by this curse. Uh. And it all started after
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Speaker 1: one of their ancestors was banished on Maria's Island, Massachusetts,
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Speaker 1: UM and she escaped execution. She was pregnant. She was
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Speaker 1: waiting for her lover to join her. When he didn't,
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Speaker 1: she cast a spell that would keep her from ever
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Speaker 1: falling in love again, but died soon after her in
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Speaker 1: the spell sort of got twisted up into this curse
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Speaker 1: that promises death to any man and Owen's woman falls
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Speaker 1: in love with. And it's really funny because right away,
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Speaker 1: as this is the opening scene, and I was watching
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Speaker 1: and I was like, this music is very very upbeat
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Speaker 1: for what's happening right now. And that's something that throughout
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Speaker 1: the film I love is there will be like this
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Speaker 1: really like cheerful music and I'm like, that person just
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Speaker 1: died though, right I feel like that's with the late nineties,
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Speaker 1: like they want to be dark, but not too dark,
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Speaker 1: just a twist, so generations of that curse. Later, Young
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Speaker 1: Sally casts a Tula spell to prevent herself from ever
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Speaker 1: falling in love by conjuring the perfect man that she
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Speaker 1: believes can't exist obviously, while young Jillian decides she's very
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Speaker 1: much wants to find love. By the way, this is
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Speaker 1: very indicative of their characters. Sally is more serious and
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Speaker 1: Jillian is a bit more carefree and out there um
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Speaker 1: and as adults, Gillian prepares to move away and insist
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Speaker 1: that the sisters make a blood pack that will they
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Speaker 1: will die together as old ladies. Can we do this?
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Speaker 1: You and I? All right? Over the next few years,
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Speaker 1: Sally falls in love with a local apple salesman and
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Speaker 1: they have two beautiful daughters, one of them being Evan
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Speaker 1: Rachel Woods. Um. Anyway, one day, Sally wakes up hearing
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Speaker 1: the sound of a death blug the beetle. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: find it in time to prevent her husband from being
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Speaker 1: killed by a truck. Sally returns to her aunt's home
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Speaker 1: with her daughters and learned they cast a spell so
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Speaker 1: that she could fall in love and in remintive spots
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Speaker 1: she desires. Neither she nor her daughters will ever use
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Speaker 1: magic again. And by the way, that's all happens in
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Speaker 1: the first ten minutes. Um. Yeah, so her aunts sort
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Speaker 1: of they said, they gave her a nudge, like a push,
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Speaker 1: and then she ran to this kiss playing in the
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Speaker 1: background to meet this apple guy. Um. But meanwhile, Jillian Um,
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Speaker 1: she's traveling around the country and uh, as Sally put it,
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Speaker 1: like going through a lot of men being her care
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Speaker 1: for yourself and until she meets Jimmy Um and she
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Speaker 1: she just falls like is so seduced by him, so
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Speaker 1: in love with him. Ah, but it becomes clear like
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Speaker 1: something is off in this relationship. He really possessive, doesn't
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Speaker 1: like her to be out of his sight. Um. So
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Speaker 1: she drugs him with belladonna in his tequila so that
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Speaker 1: she can go visit Sally after because she feels Sally's distress,
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Speaker 1: so she drugs him so she's able to get away
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Speaker 1: and visit Sally and comfort her and provide help. Um.
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Speaker 1: But then she returns to this man that she's eating,
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Speaker 1: Jimmy until one night Uh, Jillian calls Sally and tells
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Speaker 1: her he had hit her and she needs help, and
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Speaker 1: Sally immediately goes to get her um, but Jimmy kidnaps
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Speaker 1: both of them at gunpoint um, and it's pretty clear
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Speaker 1: he's going to he's planning on killing Jillian. UM. So
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Speaker 1: Sally is able to put belladonna in his drink and
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Speaker 1: accidentally kills him, accidentally overdoses him. They just meant to
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Speaker 1: knock him out. Um. So the sisters are panicking and
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Speaker 1: they attempt a resurrection spell, which is forbidden, but after
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Speaker 1: he's revived, he immediately tries to kill Jillian again, and
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Speaker 1: so Sally kills him again with a frying pan, and
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Speaker 1: then they bury him in the family garden, and of
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Speaker 1: course he starts to haunt the home. Of course, so
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Speaker 1: the ants leave after putting a protection spell, and Sally's
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Speaker 1: daughters and instructions that they clean up their own mess.
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Speaker 1: Things get even more complicated when an investigator named Gary
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Speaker 1: shows up looking into Jimmy's death. He has heard rumors
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Speaker 1: about the sister's witchcraft around town, which they don't really deny.
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Speaker 1: When he asked them about it, he starts to suspect
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Speaker 1: Sally is behind Jimmy's disappearance, so Jillian and Sally's daughters
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Speaker 1: make a potion to banish him. However, they realized that
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Speaker 1: Gary is the person from Sally's True Love Spell, the
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Speaker 1: one she cast at the beginning of the movie, so
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Speaker 1: they get rid of the potion. Sally realizes she's in
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Speaker 1: love with Gary. Then Jimmie's spirit possesses Jillian before moving
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Speaker 1: on to possess Gary. But Gary's wearing a badge and
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Speaker 1: he talks all about like believing in the symbols of things,
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Speaker 1: so Jimmy is temporarily exiled. So at this point we
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Speaker 1: see Sally and Gary actually connecting. There is a kiss,
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Speaker 1: there's a moment of passion, and then it's here that
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Speaker 1: Sally reveals to Gary that their feelings are probably a
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Speaker 1: result of a spell, but Gary disagree, saying that the
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Speaker 1: curses are only real if you believe they are. Um.
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Speaker 1: But after he sees all the possessing and the upheaval,
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Speaker 1: he goes back to Arizona, conflicted, of course, but we
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Speaker 1: see that Jimmy isn't done. He once again possesses Jillian,
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Speaker 1: tries to kill Sally. Their aunt's return and agree to
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Speaker 1: perform an exorcism because you know, they had a feeling,
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Speaker 1: They knew something was happening, and Sally decides to embrace
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Speaker 1: her magic to save her sister. She calls on some
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Speaker 1: of the town's women to form a coven to help,
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Speaker 1: who all, by the way, we're shaming her and her sister,
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Speaker 1: and in front of them the phone tree that was
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Speaker 1: so good, the phone tree so but then they're like,
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Speaker 1: you know what this is school, let's do this um,
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Speaker 1: And when she sees their efforts might kill Jillian, Sally
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Speaker 1: and the women repeat the oath Sally and Jillian made
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Speaker 1: years earlier and forced Jimmy out ending the curse my blood,
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Speaker 1: your blood, our blood, remember the sandy um and Gay
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Speaker 1: returns to Sally and the movie ends with the sisters
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Speaker 1: celebrating all Hallow's even costume welcomed and accepted by the community.
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Speaker 1: And of course they jump off the roof, flying with umbrellas,
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Speaker 1: because that's an umbrella thing. Well oh wait, there's also brooms,
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Speaker 1: I feel, but they're no, no, they don't use them,
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Speaker 1: but they're they're um and they're dressed like over the top,
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Speaker 1: which is And also this has been a rumor that
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Speaker 1: people had about them all the time, that they jumped
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Speaker 1: off the roof and fluid. So yes, um, so that's
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Speaker 1: the plot, but there's clearly a lot of themes we've
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Speaker 1: got to go over. However, first we must take a
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Speaker 1: thank you, sponsor. So we just want to have a
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Speaker 1: discussion around some of the big themes in this movie,
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Speaker 1: and perhaps the biggest one is family and sisterhood. And
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Speaker 1: I feel like we say that in almost every movie
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Speaker 1: we talked about with witches. Yeah, so we see this
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Speaker 1: power of family among these generations of women of Owen's
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Speaker 1: women and the coven of women coming together at the
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Speaker 1: end to cast Jillian's abusive X out, many of whom
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Speaker 1: have been abused by men themselves. UM. I'll be honest
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Speaker 1: with you, I'm got a little embarrassed by this. But
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Speaker 1: I watched this quite late the first time, and I
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Speaker 1: teared up at this scene. I got emotional. All these
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Speaker 1: women showed up and they're like, you know what, I've
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Speaker 1: had a bad boyfriend, couldn't get rid of them. I'll
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Speaker 1: be here for you. Like they just all came to
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Speaker 1: help her. Um. That's all Sally had to say, is like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm a witch, but my sister is being abused. Like
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Speaker 1: she's had this man, she can't get rid of him. Um.
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Speaker 1: And they all all these women who Yeah, it's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of the movie making fun of them and
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Speaker 1: ridiculing them. Um, they show up. They show up, and
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Speaker 1: they do help and they share power and it was
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Speaker 1: very I thought it was very moving. Um. And then
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Speaker 1: love is clearly at the heart of this movie. But
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Speaker 1: not just romantic love, although that is a big part
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Speaker 1: of it, but the love between sisters and aunts and daughters. UM,
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Speaker 1: familial love between women, women supporting women. I'm these sisters
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Speaker 1: promised they're going to die together. They're going to die
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Speaker 1: as all old ladies together. And that's what saves Jillian
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Speaker 1: in the end, is that bond. And you kinda knew
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Speaker 1: that was going to happen. Um. And then here we
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Speaker 1: go with the Margharita saying, which thig is a whole
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Speaker 1: potion sing because you see them casting a spell essentially,
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Speaker 1: which happens to be in the middle of them investigation, UM,
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Speaker 1: and the aunt and the sisters like a moment to
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Speaker 1: dance and drink and enchanted Margharita's which is a nice
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Speaker 1: little break from the pain and the trauma. And I
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Speaker 1: did love the fact that it also brought out a
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Speaker 1: lot of truths. Yeah, yeah, well that's one of those things.
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Speaker 1: Two is Okay, First of all, I did the research.
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Speaker 1: I should stop doing this, but I did the research
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Speaker 1: for this movie before I um watched it and everyone
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Speaker 1: mentioned the margharite to scene and I was like, what
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Speaker 1: is this scene? Like it's in every article and if
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Speaker 1: you don't know, it's like they wake up, the sisters
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Speaker 1: wake up and they're like midnight Margart it is, and
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Speaker 1: then they all kind of dance around and that that
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Speaker 1: Coconut song is playing, and then yeah, they kind of
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Speaker 1: call each other's names at the table, but it's in
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Speaker 1: that way where you can do that with someone who's
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Speaker 1: related to you or someone you care about that, but
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Speaker 1: you won't stand for someone else to do that. And
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Speaker 1: you see that throughout the movie too, um, which is
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Speaker 1: is really beautiful. It is by the way it's ended
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Speaker 1: with Jimmy suppressive abusive shadow ruins it. This whole moment
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Speaker 1: that they had with the Margharita, and it's also kind
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Speaker 1: of a support and consasis among the women again, like
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Speaker 1: we were saying that it does. They are able to
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Speaker 1: call each other out and let each other know, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is what you're doing. This is how you're looking
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Speaker 1: at the same time out of love. Yeah, and it's
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Speaker 1: it's so sad because they were doing this as a
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Speaker 1: healing moment and then still that presence of this abusive
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Speaker 1: man ruins it. Um, which is a theme that comes
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Speaker 1: back a lot, and we'll talk about that too. Um.
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Speaker 1: There's also this whole the threat throughout of a woman's
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Speaker 1: love condemning a man to death. Is it better to
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Speaker 1: have loved and lost the danger of loving someone, whether
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Speaker 1: that is loss or heartbreak or abuse. We kind of
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Speaker 1: see all of these prisms of how love can hurt
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Speaker 1: and what can happen. Um. And there are criticisms that
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Speaker 1: this still paints falling in love with a man as
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Speaker 1: the most important thing. I mean, I'm watching it. I
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Speaker 1: think that might have been perhaps the intended point, but
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Speaker 1: that's not what I saw. I saw the sisters love
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Speaker 1: the most important thing and that food. I was just
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Speaker 1: kind of like, go away, I'm more interested in this.
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Speaker 1: He does seem to be an afterthought. To be fair,
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Speaker 1: he does a lot of the male characters do. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then if you look at Sally blaming the curse
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Speaker 1: for all of her misery and not really seeing how
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Speaker 1: lucky she is to have all the women in her life,
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Speaker 1: at least she gets to that point definitely. But um.
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Speaker 1: Also many point out that she's it's a really low
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Speaker 1: bar for the perfect man in the beginning, because she's
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Speaker 1: like he must sit flip pancakes and have a blue
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Speaker 1: eye and a green eye and like things like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and maybe maybe the message is a lot of women do,
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Speaker 1: or if that's what you think, because she was eleven
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Speaker 1: or so when she cast that spell, So you know,
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Speaker 1: what are you going to say, um, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that the ants try to get her to fall in love.
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Speaker 1: It's just something a lot of women who at some
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Speaker 1: point but in their life been single at a family
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Speaker 1: event can relate to UM. And you know, just this
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Speaker 1: idea that you can have happily ever after without a
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Speaker 1: man and without romantic love as as a woman. We
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Speaker 1: see that with the aunts, who I love all the
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Speaker 1: takes on their relationship that I read, But you know
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Speaker 1: that that message is still pretty there, that you what
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Speaker 1: you want is to fall in love with a man
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Speaker 1: right obviously, or sometimes the fact that sometimes falling in
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Speaker 1: love with a man is too hard and just let
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Speaker 1: it be cold kidman character. Uh. As we talked about
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Speaker 1: Jimmy as the ultimate bad boyfriend abusive situation, even after
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Speaker 1: his death, he lingers and I'm willing to let her go. Um,
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Speaker 1: just like trauma. And by the way, of course, this
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Speaker 1: was a really big bad dude. He wasn't just abusive,
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Speaker 1: he was actually a murderers sound like a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: So there's that UM and the depiction of abuse and
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Speaker 1: the why don't you just leave in the danger of leaving,
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Speaker 1: preventing from moving on? And I did like terms like
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Speaker 1: this does make me angry because it does put women
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Speaker 1: at fault when self defense and every single bottle of
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Speaker 1: that situation. He was trying to kill people, so the
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Speaker 1: only way they could stop him, like he was about
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Speaker 1: to brand her and took her to death, and they
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Speaker 1: poisoned him to make him leave her alone. And then
20:17
Speaker 1: when he came back to life and she's smacking him
20:19
Speaker 1: with the skillet. I see all that self defense obviously,
20:24
Speaker 1: but everybody's like hiding as of his like I murdered someone,
20:27
Speaker 1: and yet that's not really true, is it. Whatever, many
20:30
Speaker 1: other men are depicted in varying degrees of danger. They
20:33
Speaker 1: caused two women, obviously, whether it's they're gonna be told
20:37
Speaker 1: on or whether it's going to be murder. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
20:43
Speaker 1: I do think it was a pretty Again, I'm not
20:47
Speaker 1: sure if this was intentional, but I thought it was
20:49
Speaker 1: a pretty good depiction of like trauma and abuse and um,
20:54
Speaker 1: the danger of leaving because that's when he tried to
20:57
Speaker 1: kill her, UM and how it just lingers in it
21:02
Speaker 1: some days it's better than others. UM. I thought that
21:07
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty compelling. UM. Another theme of this, of course,
21:13
Speaker 1: is the strength of independent women. UM. The Aunts are
21:18
Speaker 1: ridiculed for being middle Middle Asian unmarried, and we do
21:22
Speaker 1: see like the women's power being dismissed as something that
21:24
Speaker 1: ostracizes them or is more of a hindrance than anything else,
21:27
Speaker 1: like Sally saying, you know, I have all these powers,
21:30
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to use them. Um. But it's
21:35
Speaker 1: so refreshing to see the Aunts to be totally uncaring
21:39
Speaker 1: of what people think of them. I know, one of
21:42
Speaker 1: them in the beginning, she says normal is not necessarily
21:45
Speaker 1: a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage. And
21:48
Speaker 1: then at the end, when um, all of the women
21:50
Speaker 1: from the phone trees show up to help Jillian. Uh,
21:53
Speaker 1: one of the aunts says, there's a little witch and
21:55
Speaker 1: all of us. Um, so just these you know, strong
22:00
Speaker 1: independent women. Not. I loved it. I loved it being
22:03
Speaker 1: like whatever. Um. And then yeah, just this whole theme
22:10
Speaker 1: of like trauma and I know, like right away you
22:15
Speaker 1: think of Jillian because she went through this abusive relationship,
22:18
Speaker 1: but also for Sally because she lost her husband. There's
22:21
Speaker 1: like grief the process of that and the exhaustion of
22:24
Speaker 1: all of that, and how healing isn't a direct path
22:28
Speaker 1: and it goes in different ways and seeing this family
22:31
Speaker 1: support each other through that. Um, it was really lovely.
22:35
Speaker 1: M you watched it a lot. I watched it three times.
22:40
Speaker 1: I love like this is a lot like Caroline from
22:43
Speaker 1: uh you know, unlady like this is one of her
22:45
Speaker 1: favorite movies do and umlike this is so unlike her.
22:51
Speaker 1: Yeah that she but she loves this movie. And we've
22:53
Speaker 1: talked about that before too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I
22:56
Speaker 1: can totally see why so many people find like comfort
22:59
Speaker 1: in it. And I read so many lovely stories from
23:02
Speaker 1: people who are like, why did they love this? And
23:04
Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, uh, just every time that I
23:08
Speaker 1: feel it makes me feel good to see these women
23:11
Speaker 1: putting other women first and supporting other women and getting
23:15
Speaker 1: a margaritat midnight every time they watch it or whatever.
23:19
Speaker 1: Like it's just we need to try that tradition, don't we.
23:22
Speaker 1: I got a Margarite and I was like, oh, is
23:24
Speaker 1: this a margarity to scene? I paused it and I
23:26
Speaker 1: got it was lovely. Um yeah, so I I I'm
23:34
Speaker 1: definitely going to add that to my Halloween watch list,
23:37
Speaker 1: which is already huge. So that's saying something. But for now, okay,
23:41
Speaker 1: let's pivot and talk about the Witches of east Wick. Um,
23:45
Speaker 1: and I want to start right off the bat with
23:47
Speaker 1: the Amazon Prime definition. So again, I've never seen this
23:49
Speaker 1: movie and I really didn't know what it was about.
23:52
Speaker 1: Click on the Amazon Prime page. Here's the description. The Witches,
23:56
Speaker 1: in quotes, are three modern day women looking for Mr
23:59
Speaker 1: Right in a quaint New England town full of Mr uptecks.
24:03
Speaker 1: And I was like, what is this movie? What is
24:09
Speaker 1: Samantha got me into? I think I texted you. I
24:12
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're in for a doozy yeah, because
24:14
Speaker 1: I I know I said it in our Heather's episode. Um,
24:17
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson really freaks me out and he unsettles me
24:20
Speaker 1: and like he oh, oh pete Jack Nicholson, And I
24:25
Speaker 1: felt bad because the first time I saw him was
24:26
Speaker 1: like not good looking? His hair? What was going on
24:30
Speaker 1: with his hair? Purpose Well, you did unsettle me, so
24:35
Speaker 1: good job. Um, and I did want to just throw
24:38
Speaker 1: in here. One of the first things I noticed was
24:40
Speaker 1: that the three main women, you have the red head,
24:42
Speaker 1: the blonde brunette, and then the babies at the end
24:44
Speaker 1: or the same yeah. Yeah. And so by the way,
24:46
Speaker 1: there's a couple of columns that speak to that but
24:49
Speaker 1: the fact that yes, they're all these differentiations, but also
24:52
Speaker 1: they're all very similar to they're almost the same, and
24:56
Speaker 1: except for the hair colors. Ah yeah. So this movie
24:58
Speaker 1: was directed by the famed Australian director George Miller, who
25:03
Speaker 1: also did Mad Max and apparently did Babe and several others.
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm like okay um And according to Rotten Tomatoes, the
25:12
Speaker 1: critics still like it and it still holds up, although
25:15
Speaker 1: not as well as Practical Magic obviously doesn't. Critics still
25:19
Speaker 1: don't like Practical Magic. Well. This was pitched as a
25:24
Speaker 1: dark comedy with the heavy tone of the plights of
25:27
Speaker 1: women versus men. This is a John Updike book and
25:32
Speaker 1: was a pretty big film. There are many different opinions
25:35
Speaker 1: on this movie, many different, though most were very excited
25:39
Speaker 1: by the stars that it cast. One review stated, written
25:43
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, by the way, which is well over
25:45
Speaker 1: thirty years after the initial release, up Dikes long deadly
25:50
Speaker 1: dull misogynist tract is transformed into an entertaining, generally sandrist film.
25:56
Speaker 1: So it's like okay, then, wow, all right. Well, as
26:01
Speaker 1: far as the plot of this movie, this nineties seven
26:04
Speaker 1: movie based on the book features as this all SARCASTI
26:08
Speaker 1: has I share Susan Surandon, Michelle Pheiffer, Jack Nicholson. Um,
26:12
Speaker 1: we see these three manless friends coming together in a
26:17
Speaker 1: small town of Eastwick. You've got Alexandra or alex the
26:21
Speaker 1: brunette share um, who is an artist and a single
26:24
Speaker 1: mother of a teenage girl. You've got Jane the Redhead
26:27
Speaker 1: played by Susan Surrandon, who is recently divorced a music teacher,
26:31
Speaker 1: and Suki the Blonde, who is a local journalist played
26:34
Speaker 1: by Michelle Pheiffer, also divorced with five children. Yes. Um,
26:39
Speaker 1: and after getting together in which they have I guess
26:43
Speaker 1: a girl's night of Martini's, I think, yeah, yeah, I
26:47
Speaker 1: mean they definitely had the whole thing. Geez, was all
26:49
Speaker 1: of that in which they talk about how they're so
26:53
Speaker 1: unsatisfied without being with not having a man, or at
26:57
Speaker 1: least their ideas of the perfect men, and then actually
27:00
Speaker 1: do continue to debate about why they always talk about
27:03
Speaker 1: men when they get together. Um, and how about how
27:06
Speaker 1: they're despatisfied and living in a quiet, boring town. Um.
27:10
Speaker 1: Flash to the next day and they get the news
27:14
Speaker 1: of a mystery man coming into the small town, and
27:17
Speaker 1: of course our mystery man named Darryl Van Horne played
27:20
Speaker 1: by the very on brand Jack Nicholson, who comes into
27:25
Speaker 1: town buying the local history landmark, the Linux Mansion. Um.
27:30
Speaker 1: And however, the mere mention of his name before you
27:34
Speaker 1: actually meet him not only makes you clutch your pearls,
27:38
Speaker 1: but they completely fall off, literally causing a horrendous accident
27:42
Speaker 1: to befall the community. Religious woman Felicia, who was not
27:47
Speaker 1: too pleased to hear of the new resident, and though
27:50
Speaker 1: she was seen as overbearing and shrill, was was right
27:53
Speaker 1: about the fact that the devil was coming into town.
27:56
Speaker 1: I was like, what is her deal? Not because I
27:58
Speaker 1: thought she was wrong, I just was fused. Um. And
28:01
Speaker 1: also I can't remember her name, but she plays she's
28:05
Speaker 1: an alien. She plays the freaks out an alien as well.
28:11
Speaker 1: Her name is Veronica Cartwright. Oh yeah, yeah, Veronica carry Yeah,
28:15
Speaker 1: uh yeah. She was not happy about what was going on.
28:21
Speaker 1: And her husband, by the way, is Richard Jenkins, who
28:23
Speaker 1: was in Kevin in the Woods. Oh yeah, that's right. Um,
28:28
Speaker 1: so okay. At this point we see the awakening of
28:32
Speaker 1: the ladies powers as they make things happen, such as
28:36
Speaker 1: um a lovely game of angry levitating tennis. I know,
28:42
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, it's probably as weird as
28:44
Speaker 1: you imagine. Um. As they start accepting and joining their
28:47
Speaker 1: new realized powers, the women all continue in relationships, sharing
28:51
Speaker 1: in a relationship where they share the very horny devil,
28:54
Speaker 1: which is a line from the movie. Um. Yeah, that
29:00
Speaker 1: will come back too often. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
29:04
Speaker 1: But the movie takes a dark turn as the town
29:06
Speaker 1: starts to whisper of all the bad things happening at
29:08
Speaker 1: the Lenox mansion and the three women, so much so
29:13
Speaker 1: that it is in the local newspaper thanks to yes,
29:16
Speaker 1: this religious woman Felicia. Felicia, who seems to be cursed
29:20
Speaker 1: with visions of Darryl's evil plot UM becomes a target
29:24
Speaker 1: because of this and begins to throw she starts to
29:27
Speaker 1: bombit cherry pits. And this is all happening like it's
29:31
Speaker 1: interspersed with the scene where we see the three women
29:35
Speaker 1: eating cherries UM and start there talking about her and
29:39
Speaker 1: how they wish she would go away. UM. So it's
29:42
Speaker 1: implied that they are doing this without realizing it to Felicia. UM.
29:48
Speaker 1: And as she continues to just really spew these cherry
29:52
Speaker 1: pits everywhere, and she's talking about her visions. Her husband
29:56
Speaker 1: kills her with a fire poker and then sits down
29:58
Speaker 1: and sort of like, w that's that time calling the nights.
30:02
Speaker 1: It was a very odd scene and uh is at
30:06
Speaker 1: this point that Suki realizes they had something to do
30:11
Speaker 1: with Felicia's death. And after an argument that causes, by
30:14
Speaker 1: the way, the earth below them that they're standing on
30:17
Speaker 1: to crack, they all run away and stay away from
30:20
Speaker 1: each other and Darryl, which by the way, he does
30:23
Speaker 1: not take very well. After much effort in trying to
30:27
Speaker 1: win them back, decided to pitch a fit, which meant
30:29
Speaker 1: causing each woman's worst fear to come true, including Jane
30:33
Speaker 1: growing old, Alex having steaky Crawley creature things on her
30:36
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and Suki dying of
30:39
Speaker 1: violent death. And as let ladies gather around poor Suki
30:43
Speaker 1: because she is suffering at this point in the hospital,
30:45
Speaker 1: they realize so they're discussing that they're all pregnant with
30:48
Speaker 1: Darryll's children. Yep. Uh So, with this this knowledge and
30:55
Speaker 1: Suky's life at risk, um Alex goes to meet up
30:59
Speaker 1: with Darryl strike a deal to go back show the
31:02
Speaker 1: way things were for all of them as one big,
31:04
Speaker 1: happy family. All of them get healed up, they're ready
31:08
Speaker 1: to go. They come together for a celebratory night, and
31:11
Speaker 1: the following morning, the ladies send Darrel out for bagels
31:14
Speaker 1: and ice cream. Sounds lovely, but unbeknowns to Darryll, the
31:20
Speaker 1: ladies come together to curse him out of their lives. Um.
31:23
Speaker 1: They make a good old fashioned foodoo doll to cast
31:26
Speaker 1: him out, which did have some very excellent eighties special effects.
31:31
Speaker 1: Um and uh, that whole sequence does. And they all
31:34
Speaker 1: come together with their newborn sons and the rest of
31:37
Speaker 1: the family to live at the Lenox Mansion together. The
31:41
Speaker 1: end or is it? Or is it? I think so?
31:45
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to unpack here. But first we're
31:48
Speaker 1: gonna fause for one more quick break for word from
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Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yeah, so,
32:09
Speaker 1: we definitely wanted to hit on some themes, and we're
32:11
Speaker 1: not getting in too many themes with this one because
32:13
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of like back and forth in
32:18
Speaker 1: conversation of what is it? Is it pro or anti
32:22
Speaker 1: feminism first and foremost, and also it was during the
32:26
Speaker 1: eighties liberal feminism or equal equal feminism right before the
32:30
Speaker 1: third wave, so it's kind of in this median yeah
32:33
Speaker 1: level of feminism. So it's kind of like, okay, so
32:37
Speaker 1: what is this actually trying to say? Um. But one
32:40
Speaker 1: of the things that we did want to talk about
32:41
Speaker 1: is of course motherhood and singleness, which is very much
32:46
Speaker 1: hit on. Um. It's not necessarily something that goes hand
32:49
Speaker 1: in hand. We don't usually see that as a big
32:51
Speaker 1: conversation as much as like, oh, you know, she needs
32:54
Speaker 1: to be a mother, she wants to be a mother
32:56
Speaker 1: of blah blah blah, but so much more that they
32:58
Speaker 1: are single mothers typically and are okay uh. And in
33:01
Speaker 1: this movie we see heavy emphasis on that as single parents,
33:05
Speaker 1: and but a little differently for Jane specifically, it's that
33:08
Speaker 1: she has an inability to have children, and there's a
33:11
Speaker 1: kind of like a breakdown of her struggle, right yeah. Um.
33:16
Speaker 1: And not only do we witness the women struggling to
33:19
Speaker 1: find their footing and being a single parent or not,
33:22
Speaker 1: but we see their desires to not be defined by it. Um.
33:26
Speaker 1: It's almost as if the children are merely there's decoration. Um.
33:29
Speaker 1: It's clearly implied that like Suki's husband left him left
33:36
Speaker 1: her because she had five kids, which also so did you, buddy.
33:39
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't even know about their relationship because
33:41
Speaker 1: it's just mentioned and I'm getting mad. But she says
33:45
Speaker 1: that to Darryl at one point, She's like, Hey, you
33:47
Speaker 1: don't really want a relationship with me because I will
33:49
Speaker 1: get pregnant. Like she just says that, yeah she does. Um. Yeah,
33:53
Speaker 1: And it's not ever made super clear where the children
33:57
Speaker 1: are when the ladies are we're partying, which you know,
34:00
Speaker 1: they should have a ladies night out. But I remember
34:02
Speaker 1: thinking that several times as I'm like, who's watching these
34:04
Speaker 1: kids right now? Uh? And you know the kids you
34:07
Speaker 1: show up here and there. But uh, Suki does make
34:11
Speaker 1: it look easy to do these things. She's clearly stressed
34:16
Speaker 1: entired at points. But yeah, we don't really see that
34:19
Speaker 1: side of motherhood. Um. And then yeah, you have on
34:24
Speaker 1: top of that Darryl's devious goal of impregnating all the
34:28
Speaker 1: women with sons, which he did right yeah, and whatever
34:34
Speaker 1: that point is. And by the way, Felicia predicts that
34:37
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie that he's coming to
34:39
Speaker 1: make sons and so whatever that might be, that he
34:42
Speaker 1: needed to extend himself into the world and that's a
34:46
Speaker 1: whole other conversation. But then because the women get rid
34:48
Speaker 1: of him, they become single parents together. It was just
34:52
Speaker 1: kind of like an, Okay, this is an interesting so
34:53
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I was trying to think and
34:56
Speaker 1: I stopped paying attention to it, and I should have.
34:58
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure this movie passes to the Bechdel test.
35:01
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Someone stated it doesn't. It was pretty sure.
35:05
Speaker 1: I was like always talking about dudes, I'm like, I
35:08
Speaker 1: don't actually know what the buck Doel test is. But
35:12
Speaker 1: I realized I didn't. I hear all the time, but
35:14
Speaker 1: I've never actually looked it up. It's it was kind
35:16
Speaker 1: of a joke. So I mean, even if a movie
35:18
Speaker 1: doesn't pass, doesn't necessarily mean it's a anti women or whatever,
35:23
Speaker 1: but it's it has to be more than one female character.
35:26
Speaker 1: They have to talk to each other, not about men. Criteria. Okay,
35:29
Speaker 1: so wow, I should have known that one. Thanks for
35:32
Speaker 1: educating me. But yeah, no, So according to one article,
35:35
Speaker 1: it said it did not pass the Bechdel test. So
35:38
Speaker 1: it was a conversation. But another theme with this is
35:42
Speaker 1: sexuality and power, and again not necessarily sustaint, but we
35:46
Speaker 1: see here that the women grow more powerful as they
35:49
Speaker 1: explore and embrace their sexuality. Now is it because of
35:52
Speaker 1: the sexuality they're powerful or is it their sexuality building
35:56
Speaker 1: up their confidence? So it's kind of that hands like,
35:58
Speaker 1: which is what um I would say the latter, but
36:01
Speaker 1: that's just me as they continue to grow, even after
36:03
Speaker 1: the destruction of the devilish Darryll, they still continue to
36:06
Speaker 1: grow in the power. So, as one article states of
36:09
Speaker 1: the women quote, it is refreshing to see them discussing
36:12
Speaker 1: their erotic desires and experiencing sexual pleasure, which is evident
36:16
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie and towards the end.
36:18
Speaker 1: That they kind of just continue to grow, but it's
36:21
Speaker 1: not necessarily because of sex and because they're enjoying that,
36:24
Speaker 1: but they're just confident as women that maybe they're growing
36:26
Speaker 1: in their power, right um However, all this is quickly
36:31
Speaker 1: turned on them as they are slut shamed by the
36:35
Speaker 1: town and community. The movie pushes the everly lingering theme
36:41
Speaker 1: of women, sex and shame, but in a narrative that
36:43
Speaker 1: pushes the viewered. It pushes it to the viewer to
36:45
Speaker 1: see the ladies as victims of a very bullying, stuffy town.
36:50
Speaker 1: So You're meant as the viewer to side with the
36:53
Speaker 1: women against the slut shaming, right. Yeah, of course we
36:58
Speaker 1: can't talk about sex sin power in this movie without
37:01
Speaker 1: talking about Darrell himself, even though most of the characters
37:05
Speaker 1: talked about the fact he wasn't handsome. And yes, when
37:08
Speaker 1: Shared gives him that dressing down, was like, hell yeah girl.
37:12
Speaker 1: And then she had sex with him, and I was like,
37:13
Speaker 1: should I feel mad at her? Like she wants to
37:15
Speaker 1: have sex do it? But I'm so like, yes, tear
37:18
Speaker 1: him down. She's like, here's the ugliest thing. You're just
37:22
Speaker 1: so stupid, Like just oh but anyway, Um. Yeah, his
37:30
Speaker 1: name is even mocked, like so much about him is ridiculed. Um.
37:35
Speaker 1: But apparently he had appeal. People were into him. There
37:38
Speaker 1: was something about him. Um. As the elderly shopwoman said,
37:42
Speaker 1: I found myself thinking thoughts I haven't thought since World
37:45
Speaker 1: War Two. I actually blushed. Yeah, it was kind of
37:48
Speaker 1: like a hum. And this was before we actually introduced
37:51
Speaker 1: to him, even though we know who he is obviously
37:53
Speaker 1: because it's a famous movie. Um and and he is,
37:57
Speaker 1: as an article titled The Devil is a Boy states,
38:02
Speaker 1: uh is the kind of guy who takes a gender
38:04
Speaker 1: study courses just to hit on women, a skeezi altbro
38:08
Speaker 1: who uses disingenuous wokeness as a buff for disarming sexual conquest,
38:12
Speaker 1: which I thought was the perfect thing. His column was fantastic.
38:15
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, all right, um, And we
38:18
Speaker 1: see him play this out in his subduction of all
38:20
Speaker 1: three women, whether it's condescendingly using it to bed the
38:24
Speaker 1: women or to make them feel inferior. He uses every
38:27
Speaker 1: tactic to prove his masculinity and confidence with his fake
38:31
Speaker 1: I'm a feminist. See yeah, yeah, I mean he starts
38:34
Speaker 1: with Alexandra being like, oh, women are the best. I
38:36
Speaker 1: wish I was a woman, so much better. Men treat
38:38
Speaker 1: them terribly. Marriage is bad for women than by the
38:40
Speaker 1: andies in the church, like God made women to punish us. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
38:45
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. So we do see this flip when
38:49
Speaker 1: he's when he's rejected, and he screams that they deserted him,
38:53
Speaker 1: like and I mean as women and we've all been there, right,
38:55
Speaker 1: like the rejection. We've talked about this, um, and he
38:58
Speaker 1: plots to torture and punished him for hurting his pride,
39:02
Speaker 1: and then yeah, that the monologue at the church where
39:04
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, women, that their creation was a mistake.
39:09
Speaker 1: He curses their existence. And as Margaret Atwood commented about
39:13
Speaker 1: the book, what a culture has to say about witchcraft,
39:16
Speaker 1: whether in jest or in earnest, has a lot to
39:18
Speaker 1: do with its views of sexuality and power, and especially
39:20
Speaker 1: with the apportioning of powers between the sexes. Right, I mean,
39:24
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, oh, it's flipped now this
39:27
Speaker 1: is bad, as where sexuality for women was good, now
39:29
Speaker 1: that rejecting him is bad. And it's definitely this whole level,
39:33
Speaker 1: and as we see in many of which conversations, this
39:37
Speaker 1: is the big, big thing. And though this same is
39:40
Speaker 1: obvious and the actual purpose and whether it's a statement
39:43
Speaker 1: for the pros of women's sexuality or more of a
39:46
Speaker 1: side eye towards the level of toxic male sexuality, but
39:50
Speaker 1: as that Marcle says, it's not so much about trying
39:53
Speaker 1: to understand as much as it is quote a very
39:56
Speaker 1: real examination of toxic masculinity and sexual power to dynamics
40:00
Speaker 1: couched deliciously within occult ambiguity. Yeah, that was one thing
40:05
Speaker 1: I was like, Wait, they weren't like which is I
40:08
Speaker 1: I was used to seeing in movies, Right, which, by
40:11
Speaker 1: the way, they never claimed themselves as witches and they
40:13
Speaker 1: never claimed themselves as covens. Yeah yeah, interesting. Um. And
40:18
Speaker 1: then another theme again is sisterhood and female friendship. Much
40:23
Speaker 1: like practical magic and many of these which in occult
40:26
Speaker 1: movies we've talked about, friendship and sisterhood is heavily placed
40:29
Speaker 1: within this movie. Though a small level of competition did exist.
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Speaker 1: We see the ladies pull through and help each other
40:37
Speaker 1: defeat their honey demon, that Daryl. But you know what, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: as a Vulture article stated in a more pessimistic view,
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Speaker 1: whether it was intended or not, it's also a movie
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Speaker 1: that illustrates that, for various reasons, even smart, strong women
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Speaker 1: sometimes cannot immediately summon the hocus pocus they want or
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Speaker 1: need to make a guy like that disappear, which is
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Speaker 1: sad but also true. And that is how it is. Is
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Speaker 1: Is he comes back, yeah, to talk to the children,
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Speaker 1: even though they turned the TV off. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: like ha ha ha, but they seem really gone. Yeah yeah,
41:13
Speaker 1: And I mean they were having a discussion about like
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Speaker 1: missing him and do you want him back? Um, And
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I think it might just
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Speaker 1: be my Jack Nicholson thing. But I was so like,
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Speaker 1: just get rid of this guy. You're not supposed to
41:29
Speaker 1: like him everything about him, Eskeevie, Sure it is, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I mean that that really resonated me with me
41:35
Speaker 1: that article you mentioned where they describe like his sort
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Speaker 1: of pick up vibe and seeing him do it with
41:42
Speaker 1: each of them in different ways that you know it
41:43
Speaker 1: will work or what will be most likely to work.
41:47
Speaker 1: And you know, again, if they're having sex they enjoy,
41:50
Speaker 1: then scenting adult sex they enjoy, go for it. But
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Speaker 1: that guy, oh, he's the worst. Isn't interesting? Yeah? And
41:59
Speaker 1: then like you said, it doesn't pass the Bechdel test,
42:02
Speaker 1: And so I was kind of like, huh, so was
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Speaker 1: this a good movie or was this an insulting movie?
42:09
Speaker 1: Or what was George Miller? And of course John Updyke
42:12
Speaker 1: has gotten a pretty bad reputation as of late in
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Speaker 1: his stance in his representation of women in general. So
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Speaker 1: the question is what was the point of this movie?
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Speaker 1: I just enjoyed it. Come on share, Susan san Randa,
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Speaker 1: Michelle Peiffer, what did you think about this movie? Well,
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Speaker 1: you've got some of my very heated exchange text messages.
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Speaker 1: It was definitely not at all what I thought it
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Speaker 1: was going to be UM and I think coming from
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Speaker 1: my more modern since I'm watching it kind of out
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Speaker 1: of its time. I I enjoyed it, but I was
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Speaker 1: confused as to it's like messaging UM And But it
42:55
Speaker 1: actually made me ask myself some questions about why I
42:58
Speaker 1: was responding the way I was ending. Yeah again, like
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Speaker 1: when I was so mad at Share for getting with them,
43:05
Speaker 1: and I was like, but you know, she had just
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Speaker 1: been saying she wanted to have sex, Like, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to be more than that, if you know, so
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Speaker 1: I did. It made me examine some things. And I
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Speaker 1: definitely think both of these are worth watching UM as
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Speaker 1: a feminist, and it will make you think about some
43:25
Speaker 1: interesting things, right. It definitely has a lot of like
43:29
Speaker 1: what just happened? Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah yeah, um yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I I actually recommend both of them if you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen them. I did prefer Practical Magic, but UM,
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Speaker 1: I think they were both worth watching UH And Yeah.
43:51
Speaker 1: It's just these it's fascinating to see these themes of
43:53
Speaker 1: of womanhood and sisterhood and in these movies about which
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Speaker 1: is UM and clearly you know they're still I mean
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Speaker 1: that goes without saying, but they're not perfect films by
44:05
Speaker 1: any stretch. Um. They are mostly white and there is
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Speaker 1: a lot of heterosexual just like normativity imposed on Like
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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, like would it be great in practical
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Speaker 1: magic one of them had been by or lesbian or something,
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Speaker 1: and it's like that man curse forget. I'm not worried
44:23
Speaker 1: about that, right right. Um, So there's that. But I
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Speaker 1: do recommend them, Yes, they get our thumbs up, and
44:35
Speaker 1: then send us all of your thoughts on them. I
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Speaker 1: would love I would love started more discussion around both
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