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When Grief Opens the Door to Mediumship (with Hayley Cossey) 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello everyone and welcome along to another episode
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of The Psychic Explorer. I hope you're well.
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Well today is another guest episode and today
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I have my lovely friend Hailey Cosion. She has
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agreed to come on and she'll be talking about
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her journey. The reason I've asked Hailey on
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is because the topic we're going to be talking
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about has been bothering me for a while now.
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Do you remember back in the very, very early
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episodes of this podcast, I was explaining to
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you that I went on the spiritual awareness course,
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which developed into the first circle I ever
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went to. In those classes, in those development
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circles, there were two individuals who were
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in attendance. They had lost a loved one in really
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tragic circumstances just a couple of months
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before we lost mum actually. So we were there
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at a similar sort of time during our grief. I
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was very aware of the reasons I was there. I
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went in almost very secretive. I was very quiet.
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I didn't let anything slide. I didn't tell anyone
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anything about any of my experience or my grief
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journey. But these two individuals were very
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different. They were giving us the nitty -gritty.
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They were telling us things that... In my opinion,
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they shouldn't have been telling us this stuff
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because this stuff that they were telling us
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could have been really fantastic evidence for
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us to bring through. But because they were telling
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us it, it meant that we could no longer bring
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it through during readings. When we had readings
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with them, it was really difficult, it was really
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hard, because how do I know what I was telling
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them was something that I was feeling? Or was
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it something subconscious? I knew this information
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about that loved one. So I was bringing it through
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that way. And that's what I mean about the validation.
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I was there to get the validation. I didn't want
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to tell anyone anything about my situation because
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I wanted it to be a genuine experience, not a
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fed experience. As the weeks and months progressed,
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for me at least, it soon became apparent that
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as lovely as these people were and as grief -stricken
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as they were and my heart bled for them. It appeared
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to me that they were treating this more as grief
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counseling. For me that felt really uncomfortable,
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not only because I didn't necessarily need that
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at that time and that's what I felt like it was
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turning into, but more because it was... But
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more because, and as I sit here actually, this
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is now dawning on me more and this is why I love
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doing this because talking into the ether, talking
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to you guys triggers things within me that makes
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me realise why I feel things or why I act the
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way I do sometimes. But it made me realise, I
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guess subconsciously, that the way that I was
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perceiving them was not how I wanted other people
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to perceive me. I didn't want people being sorry
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for me thinking that, oh, he's lost his marbles,
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he's going to this group because he needs to
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get over the grief of his mum. The things I was
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feeling to me were real, 100 % real. But sitting
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in this circle, I hate myself for saying this
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because it sounds really judgmental and there
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is judgment there, I know there is. But it really
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made me feel like it was devaluing my experience,
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I suppose. Now, don't get me wrong. I am 100
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% aware of how this all sounds. The spiritual
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community should be based on trust, love in a
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judgement -free zone. And I've really questioned
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myself as to whether or not I should raise this.
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But... The whole ethos of this podcast is my
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journey through this, my truthful journey and
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that means what and all. It is not something
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I'm proud of that I thought this way when I went
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to this spiritual group because again I'll say
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again there were lovely people, really really
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lovely, but I just felt that they were using
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this as a grief counseling session rather than
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a development circle. And it didn't sit right
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with me. And I don't want to sound like, oh,
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circles should be exclusive. But I spoke about
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this with Nicola in her episode. So this is something
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that I have been thinking about a lot, actually,
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since I started this journey. about is it right
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to say that this journey is okay for some people
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but not others if you're in this situation but
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not that situation and that also feels equally
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as wrong to me so whenever i think about the
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situation i do feel conflicted because there
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should be compassion these people have just lost
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a loved one but at the same time is this the
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right environment for you to be in and i yeah
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All I can tell you is that my gut was saying
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no. So when I moved on to a different circle
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and I met Hayley, I didn't know her situation
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at all. I didn't know anything about her. And
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we've worked with each other a couple of times
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and we've read for one another and it's all gone
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well. And a few months ago, Hayley said to me
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just in passing, oh, I came to this through grief,
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through losing my father. I thought if I joined
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a development circle, I would be able to connect
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with my father and I thought oh interesting okay
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so there's someone here who has clearly started
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going to development circle through grief because
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they want to either start or maintain a connection
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with their father and I wonder how that fits
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in with how I felt about those other two individuals
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in my other circle so I invited Hayley on and
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I'm so glad that she said yes because she's been
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able to explain her situation and she's been
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able to map out her journey as to how her grief
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brought her to development and how her development
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has taken her through her grief and moreover
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how her development has allowed her to recognize
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how her abilities can help other people. So I'm
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so glad that I did pursue this topic because,
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like I said, I was in two minds as to whether
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or not I should talk about it because I didn't
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want to be perceived as that judgmental little
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bitch. Because, you know, love, light and rainbows
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and all that. And actually, sometimes in this
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spiritual world, that's not the case. There is
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a lot of judgment involved and sometimes that
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judgment can come from within our community,
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not just from outside of it. and I wanted to
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confront that not only for myself but also I
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thought well if I feel this way then maybe other
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people do as well. So I am so grateful that Hedy
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took the time to come on. I really hope you find
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her words interesting. I know I did and I know
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that she was able to change my opinion on this
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topic and I'm very grateful to her for doing
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that. So here she is my lovely friend Hedy Cosse
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as we talk Comedianship and Grief. Hayley Cossey
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is a developing medium, a Reiki therapist and
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an oracle card reader. She runs her business
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Healing To Be Karma where she works with clients
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and helps them towards inner harmony and well
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-being through balancing a body, mind and spirit.
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After suffering the death of her father, Hayley
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was set down the long path of grief. Along this
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journey, Hayley discovered pain, reflection,
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healing, and growth and to discuss how her grief
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led her to mediumship together with the inevitable
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pitfalls of loss. Hayley has joined me on today's
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episode of The Psychic Explorer. Welcome Hayley,
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how are you? Thank you very much Matt, I am very
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well and very excited to do this episode with
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you. We know each other from Circle, and as I
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said to people on a previous episode, it really
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feels like I'm rinsing Circle for all it's got.
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When I first started thinking about interviewing
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different people, I thought, I'm really going
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to have to cast my net far and wide here. But
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actually, there's so much knowledge within my
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immediate circle, it's incredible. So thank you
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for agreeing to come on. That's okay. And as
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I said, I'm excited to share the journey because
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by doing this work, you've actually made me realise
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how much healing I've actually done and how far
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I've come. So thank you for that. Absolutely
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no need at all. But I'll take it. So let's get
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to it then. So I've already touched upon the
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loss of your father, but would you be able to
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take us back? How did your journey into mediumship
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begin? Well, my journey into mediumship started
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with, as you said, the very sad loss of my dad.
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He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in October
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2020 and he passed in May 21. So it all happened
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relatively quickly and I was left feeling so
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much pain, hurt and confusion. I remember saying
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to mum, you know, it would be so nice. to be
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able to speak with dad or just have a connection
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with dad and I don't even really know where that
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came from but a few days later mum said to me
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well there's a mediumship evening happening at
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the local pub and that was where dad drank so
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we decided to go along and see whether he came
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through and I was thinking I've got this feeling
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he's gonna come through because it was his local
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pub, he felt comfortable there and just something
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inside me said, yes, do it. So we went along
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and it was absolutely amazing. Dad came through
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and he didn't believe in any of this woo woo
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stuff and he would say, no, I don't believe in
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any of that. And his message was that he was
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coming through to let me know that he was trying
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to communicate with me. And the idea of being
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able to communicate with him was wonderful, because
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it's something that I'd spoken with Mum about.
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And so I got really, really excited, but didn't
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have a clue how to even go about or start the
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process. Well, if by magic, the first sign came.
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An advert on social media was posted asking for
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people to join a development circle. It took
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me three weeks though to pluck up the courage
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to ring the number. Each day that passed I had
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this little voice saying to me, you haven't called
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the lady yet, you haven't done it, you must do
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it tomorrow. And as the days went on, I got this
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pull towards just reaching out and ringing the
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number. And as soon as I made that call and arranged
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the day to go, the voice literally went, but
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the parting words were, job done. And it was
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like I ticked his box and off he toddled. So
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that was really my first step into mediumship.
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You said a minute ago that you heard this voice
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within you say, do it, do it, call the number.
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I wonder, do you recognize that voice now as
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the same voice that you can feel here when you're
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channeling your mediumship or your psychic work?
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Yes. Yeah. Very much so. And I think also I've
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always believed in the spirit world. And I've
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always thought that there must be more than just
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we live this life, we die and there's nothing
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else. I've never believed that. And I think this
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is why my dad came because he knew that I had
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the ability because as a child, I would always
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be talking to myself and I'd always be hearing
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a little voice and it would tend to be in my
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right ear. And I would go into these full -on
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conversations with people. And I remember mum
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and dad always getting really mad at me for always
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talking to myself. And they'd be like, who are
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you talking to? What? What are you doing? And
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I used to feel really silly and go, no one. And
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it was me just feeling that because they couldn't
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see and because they couldn't hear, that they
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wouldn't understand. But now, following this
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path, I understand that I was communicating with
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spirit. And I think my dad, when passing, had
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realised that and that's why he'd come. Isn't
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it interesting how we look back and we recognise
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those feelings, those sensations? Almost like
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I felt it back then but I just swept under the
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carpet. You said that you always believed in
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some sort of life after death and that when you
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were a kid you were having these conversations
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with spirit or this imaginary friend or whatever
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it is that you felt it was at that time. Yeah.
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How about your relationship to mediumship, psychic
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work or spirituality? Did you have any connection
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to that before the passing of your dad? No, not
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at all. I mean, obviously I had my childhood
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experience, but I lost that when I was, I suppose
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I had it for a short time between the ages of
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four to six. And then because I was constantly
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told often and told that, you know, for goodness
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sake, just behave yourself. So I felt silly and
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I felt a bit shamed. I kind of was like pushing
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it away saying please don't come because I'm
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getting told off you know I'm not being a good
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girl and that's when I shut down and it didn't
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really come back until I had one other experience
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before dad's passing. A former boyfriend his
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dad had passed on when he was very very young
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and one night I happened to wake up and I could
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see this gentleman's face in the wall and I knew
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by photos of him in the lounge it was him and
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the next morning I said to my boyfriend you know
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I saw your dad last night and he wasn't fazed
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by it he went oh yeah dad's about yeah he's always
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about and I was like oh right okay and I felt
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quite privileged that I've been able to see that
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vision. And it didn't scare me. It was just,
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oh, I was inquisitive, but not enough to really
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open the gates. It really took my father's passing
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for the gates to really open and for me to seek.
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You've said two things about your mum, and it's
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almost like the two opposites, because when you
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were younger, when you were a kid, Your mum and
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your dad said to you to stop talking to those
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voices or to stop talking to them. But then after
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your dad died, it was your mum that suggested
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that you go to this mediumship evening. How did
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your friends and close family react when you
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decided to pursue this path? To be honest, I've
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been very lucky with my family and friends that
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they've been very supportive and they've been
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interested in how... the messages come through,
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what the messages are that are coming through
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and yes, you're right. My mum has found great
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comfort in having my dad come through and being
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able to talk with her and just giving her the
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comfort that he is always around her and that's
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enabled her to heal and to grow and move on.
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Yeah, I think there's been a bit more of an understanding
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on mum's part to what the spiritual world actually
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is because it's relevant because she's lost her
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husband who was her world. Listeners will know
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that when I was in that situation I knew that
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something was going on but I was also very aware
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that I was going through really raw grief. and
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that my mind and body were potentially in protection
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mode. Did any of that ever go through your mind
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or were you certain that you were being pulled
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towards this journey of spirituality and mediumship?
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Yeah, no, I definitely do feel that I was being
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pulled towards it because I think I was being
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guided by Dad. He was showing me the sign to
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follow it. and the more I was following the signs,
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the more it was pulling me and I felt like I
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was making the right decision and in some way
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my soul began to open up and I feel it's what
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was needed for me because I feel like I've come
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home. I feel so much love and support and encouragement
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that I love being in the space where I can connect.
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This was back in 2021, which means that you've
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been involved in this, you've been developing
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for a number of years now. As you've been exploring
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this world over the past few years, I wonder,
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could you tell me how has your perspective changed?
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How has it shifted? As I started to communicate
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with loved ones, I realised that as much as I
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was healing from their passing, they also come
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through with some tough love at times, which
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I haven't always been ready to hear. However,
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a few days on and I can always see it's come
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from a good place and it's for my highest good.
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I've also come to realise that they too still
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need to do their own healing once they have transitioned.
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So it's made me realise that they... still are
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of their same personality and character and they
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are who they were here. It's just that they're
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not in their physical body here on the earth
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plane. And that's what I've come to realise and
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that's how my perspective has changed is actually,
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yes, they're not here in their human form, but
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they've not actually gone anywhere. So are you
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saying that before this all opened up to you,
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you had this idea of heaven or whatever it might
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have been, and it was them and us. It was very
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separate. They're in one place and we're here,
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and it's almost as if they were incommunicado.
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But now you feel they are more present. They're
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always around us. Absolutely. You've hit the
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nail on the head. I just thought that once you
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were... gone up to heaven, that was it. Communication
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stopped and they were no longer. Their soul went
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up and that was it. We had no way of contacting
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them. So yes, completely my perception has changed.
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How has that helped you go forward? I feel sitting
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in circle has helped me massively as it may not
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be a message from my loved one but it's a message
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that I've given to somebody and it's resonated
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with me and all of a sudden I've had that da
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-da moment and I think I needed to hear that
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too which has helped me then to hear another
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part of myself and also I think it is a big thing
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about trust because we don't have to understand
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the message we're giving it's for the person
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receiving the message to understand and as long
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as you get that yes, that confirmation, then
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it's doing its job and it's healing the person
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that needs that healing from their loved one.
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The question I was going to ask you, Hayley,
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you've sort of answered it already. It was going
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to be about Circle and your grief process. I
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mean this next question with love and respect
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because I do think of you fondly, Hayley, and
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I don't want to upset anyone. But were you originally
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going to Circle to get messages from your father
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to try and connect with him that way or to develop
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any psychic ability that you felt that you might
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already have? Truthfully and honestly, I was
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going there to receive the messages from my father
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to enable me to heal and to try and work out
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this confusion of what I had and where that sat
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with me. But as the weeks progressed, and it
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was very quick actually, I realised that I wanted
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to be able to bring through other people's loved
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ones and hear the messages for them and to be
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able to give comfort and healing and love to
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those people so yeah my motive for going was
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purely to get communication with my dad but very
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quickly it became something that really made
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my soul sing when I was able to give a message
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to somebody that they needed to hear from their
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loved one. It was a brilliant experience. Just
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But enough of the social media admin, let's get
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back to the lovely Hayley Cossey as we talk a
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bit more about mediumship and grief. Coming from
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a place of someone who has been, someone who
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is grieving because grieving never really goes
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away. And now someone who is developing to become
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a medium to give people their sitters loving
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messages. If someone's listening to this and
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they are grieving and they are thinking of reaching
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out to a medium, what would you want them to
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know? I would say you're thinking about going
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to see a medium. You need to go with an open
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mind, an open heart and I would say talk to your
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loved one that you want to bring through. Encourage
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them to come and communicate with you because
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the more you can raise your vibration and be
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excited for them to come they will find it easier
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to connect and the easier they find it to connect
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the stronger and clearer your messages are going
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to be from your loved one. So I would definitely
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say open mind and a big open heart. How has your
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experience with grief shaped the way that you
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work? And actually thinking about your Reiki
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and your Oracle reading work as well, how do
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you think your grief has affected or shaped your
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spiritual practice? I definitely have a lot more
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empathy and kindness towards people since I've
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gone through the grieving process. and I want
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people to know that their loved ones are always
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nearby and around them. I also believe that by
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communicating with our loved ones that they are
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giving us the strength and the healing so that
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we can move on and carry on with our lives and
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personally I found that having the Reiki has
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allowed me to open up my chakra system and delve
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deep into the pain, the hurt, the trauma that
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was caused to me and really deal with it on that
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deep level that I can say I've let a lot go and
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I'm not holding on to all of those pains anymore
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and I am grateful to have been given the opportunity
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to experience the Reiki, learning how to meditate
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because that's another big thing for me is meditation
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is quieting my mind, sitting in the stillness
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for that time for me to love myself but also
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for those little gems to just slip in and you
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go, thank you very much. I think it's beautiful
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what you're saying about grief I mean I know
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it's sad and it has to happen this way sometimes
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where we have one massive hit of grief but sometimes
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working through that allows us to work through
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all the mini griefs that we've had in our life
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and I don't mean mini as if they don't mean anything
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because if they all do they all accumulate and
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they all compound we walk through life we collect
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these stones we put these stones into our backpack
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These stones, these issues, these traumas, this
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grief, it gets added into the backpack and weighs
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us down. And sometimes it's not until the loss
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of a parent, which can shake that backpack empty,
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an experience like that can make you realise
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that life is short and that sometimes it's not
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worth hanging on to these things. These things
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that we have inherited sometimes, these things
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that we have taken on board throughout our life.
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Absolutely, and I think that is where Reiki really
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helps is because it gives you the time to go
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into a deep relaxed state and for you to shed
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what is no longer serving you and it really does
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go to that deeper level and I always come away
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feeling so much calmer, clearer minded and ready
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to face the next stage of my life. Now that you
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do this work, do you find that you do it because
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you want to continue the connection to your father?
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By practicing your connection, it obviously improves
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and it gets stronger. Or do you find that doing
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this allows you to delve into you more, to understand
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you? Or is it a combination of the two? No, I
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definitely feel there's a mixture of the two.
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My intention when this very first started was
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to heal from my father's death but actually what
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has unfolded is the most amazing self -discovery.
29:51
It's stripping myself back to how I was created
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to be. So I have lived a life where I have always
30:03
tried to fit in and tried to mold myself to be
30:09
liked and sometimes loved. But now, following
30:18
the path that I'm on, I realize that I was made
30:25
to be the way I am and I am here to be who I
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am and live authentically. And who I am is a
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caring, nurturing, kind, compassionate person
30:39
that wants to use the skills and the gifts and
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the talents that I've been given to help other
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people to learn to grow and live authentically
30:54
in their own skin. And that's where my journey
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is taking me. How wonderful that you're able
31:03
to get, and I suppose this goes for everyone
31:05
who does mediumship, but how wonderful that you're
31:08
able to get that communication and you're able
31:11
to help other people. You're not only filling
31:13
your own cup, but you're filling other people's.
31:16
That's really lovely. It is. It's so rewarding
31:20
and fulfilling. And I think that if you... feel
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that you have the gift as we all know we've all
31:28
got the psychic gift but I guess it's do you
31:33
have the courage and the confidence to step out
31:35
of your comfort zone and what I would say to
31:38
people is is that if you do have this burning
31:41
desire to seek more give it a go step out because
31:46
it's taken us out of our comfort zones but I
31:50
know from working with you It's given us so much
31:55
joy and we're following, I guess, our purpose.
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Hayley, what you have said has clarified things
32:03
in my mind and actually when I cast my mind back
32:07
to these two people at my first circle, I feel
32:12
really guilty because I felt like I was judging
32:15
them and I didn't know why I was judging them.
32:17
I just knew that I felt uncomfortable because
32:19
I knew what I was going there, but I couldn't
32:22
figure out why they were there. Actually, that's
32:26
a me issue. That's not my judgment to have. And
32:30
talking to you today has really made me realize
32:32
that actually, it's just not my business. I'm
32:36
on my journey, they're on theirs, and it's just
32:40
not my business. So I really want to thank you
32:42
for healing me in a way. Before I love you and
32:46
leave you though, just one more question. What
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has been your biggest challenge walking along
32:51
this path since your grief began? I feel going
32:55
through the grieving process is one of the hardest,
32:59
toughest things I've ever had to do. But walking
33:03
this path, it's actually changed my life completely.
33:09
I've found a community of like -minded people
33:13
that have supported and encouraged me and I feel
33:16
so blessed and truly grateful to have found the
33:22
community that I've walked into because there
33:26
is so much sadness within you that you can't
33:32
see the wood from the trees but as soon as you
33:35
enter into our space you feel the love, you feel
33:39
the kindness so I really I can only sing the
33:44
praises of the group and the people that are
33:49
around me and supported me. And I thank them
33:52
for that. One supplementary extra question for
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you, Hayley. When you first stepped into Circle,
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how did that make you feel? How are you feeling?
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Because you're saying that you are now supported,
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you feel supported by the people around you,
34:07
whether that be friends, family, and I presume
34:09
people in the Circle too. I wonder, how did you
34:13
feel? stepping into that space. I was really
34:17
nervous, I was worried and even though I knew
34:22
deep down this was the right decision that I
34:26
was making, it was pushing me far outside my
34:30
comfort zone that I'd ever been before and it
34:35
was I guess me getting comfortable with feeling
34:39
uncomfortable and also learning that there was
34:44
no one there to judge me or to make fun of me.
34:49
We were all there for our own reasons and for
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our own healing. Absolutely. Hayley, where can
34:58
people find you? You can find me at www .healingtobecome
35:04
.com and please I'd love to hear from you and
35:08
to help you along your healing journey too. Wonderful,
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Hayley. Thank you so, so much for this evening.
35:15
It's just been wonderful. And thank you very
35:18
much, Matt, for inviting me onto your show. It's
35:21
been lovely to talk to you. It is my absolute
35:24
pleasure, Hayley. You take care of yourself.
35:27
Bye. Hayley Cossey everyone wasn't she absolutely
35:46
marvelous and I don't think she'll mind me saying
35:49
but she was quite nervous about doing that and
35:52
I know that it took a lot for her to do it so
35:55
I want to honestly I know I said this before
35:58
but a heartfelt thank you to Hayley and a massive
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well done for doing it and it takes a lot of
36:05
guts to say yes when I ask someone to come onto
36:10
here, especially if they have no experience of
36:13
it previously. And I just want to take this opportunity
36:16
to say thank you to all my guests who have come
36:19
on this year. It really is not an easy thing.
36:23
You know, I prepare these questions and yes,
36:25
I send these questions out to people so that
36:27
they can prepare beforehand. I am not a monster,
36:31
but... It is still difficult. It is still not
36:35
an easy thing. It's not a natural thing to be
36:38
recorded while I ask people these questions.
36:42
And I just want to recognize... everyone who
36:45
has been on to the Psychic Explorer this year.
36:48
As we wrap up the end of this year, we're very
36:51
near the end of 2025. I can't quite believe I'm
36:54
saying that, especially as I am recording this
36:56
in the end of May. So if all goes according to
36:59
plan and the scheduling is correct, then this
37:02
should be going in about November. But we'll
37:05
see how this goes. Again, just a massive thank
37:08
you to everyone who's been on. Hayley. said some
37:13
really heartfelt things in her episode, I felt,
37:16
and I felt as well. It was really brave of her
37:19
to be so vulnerable and to be so honest. The
37:22
germ of this episode for me, I was very conscious
37:26
that I wanted to tackle it, but I didn't want
37:28
to tackle it in a judgmental way. I didn't want
37:30
to tackle it in a way that made people feel like
37:33
they shouldn't be going to so -called or that
37:36
this wasn't for them if they were. themselves
37:40
going through the throes of grief and I hope
37:44
I have achieved that I hope I have achieved that
37:46
balance of asking the question genuinely but
37:49
also holding the space for people's vulnerability
37:52
and where they are and as I say Haley's explanations
37:56
Haley's answers has really changed my thought
38:00
processes about how and where grief holds a place
38:04
within spiritual development I'm not gonna waffle
38:09
on too much more about this because I've already
38:12
said all I need to say on this matter and more
38:15
to the point Hayley has said all that needs to
38:17
be said on this matter. So I will wrap it up
38:20
here but before I go usually the end of these
38:23
episodes which tend to be a bit heavier or at
38:25
least have the potential to trigger people. At
38:28
the end of the outro music I normally put some
38:30
helpline information on. I'm going to do that
38:32
on this part here. So if you are in the UK and
38:36
you are suffering bereavement at the moment and
38:38
you feel that you need help, Cruise Bereavement
38:42
Care, that is C -R -U -S -E, they can be found
38:47
to help and to guide and to signpost you if you
38:52
need that help, psychological, emotional support,
38:55
and that's for all ages. Their helpline is 0808808.
39:01
1677 that's 0808 808 1677 You can find them at
39:10
cruise .org .uk, c -r -u -s -e .org .uk Alternatively,
39:17
if you really are in a lot of distress then contact
39:20
the Samaritans, you can find them on 08457 90
39:25
90 90 that's 08457 90 90 90 www .samaritans .org
39:36
Because I have quite a few listeners in the US
39:40
as well, I'll also list a couple of helplines
39:44
for you guys if you are in need of help or support.
39:48
The National Mental Health Hotline is open 24
39:51
hours a day. You can call them on 866 903 3787.
39:59
That's 866 903 3787. There's also and I really
40:06
like the idea of this one is the crisis text
40:08
line If you are not in a place where you can
40:11
speak to someone and you'd rather do it over
40:14
text message You can do that with a crisis text
40:17
line. All you need to do is text the word home
40:21
H o m e to 741 741 that's the word home to 741
40:28
741 Get the help you need guys if you're in that
40:33
situation. It's an awful place to be and trust
40:36
me I know but I also know there is light on the
40:39
other side. So just hold on in there Guys, thank
40:44
you so much for listening. Once again, I'll leave
40:46
that be and I'll see you for my next solo episode
40:50
Sending you all my love. Take care guys. Bye