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Sharri | 30 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in this evening for Shari Marks
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Speaker 3: and coming up on the program. Australian Border Force exposed
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Speaker 3: secretly buying crayfish boats and handing them straight to people
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Speaker 3: smugglers for a safe journey home, and they're costing you
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Speaker 3: four hundred thousand dollars a pop. Donald Trump declares a
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Speaker 3: historic day for peace, unveiling his gas a ceasefire deal
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Speaker 3: alongside Benjamin net Yahoo. But Canhamas really be forced to
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Speaker 3: lay down its arms within seventy two hours?
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Speaker 2: I'll go live to Tel Aviv and catch.
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Speaker 3: Up with former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy and Anthony
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Speaker 3: Alberzi schmoozers Middle East billionaires urging a UAE supermarket giant
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Speaker 3: to muscle into Australia's grocery market. But if Ossi beef
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Speaker 3: is cheaper in Ubudhaby than coals and woolies, what.
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Speaker 2: Does that say about our cost of living crisis?
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Speaker 3: But first tonight, if Donald Trump can pull off this
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Speaker 3: Middle East piece plan, that I say give him the
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Speaker 3: Nobel Peace Prize that he wants for the first time
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Speaker 3: in almost two years since Hamas slaughtered twelve hundred Jews,
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Speaker 3: rape twomen, tortured civilians, and took two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: one people hostage.
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Speaker 2: A genuine plan is on.
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Speaker 3: The table to bring peace to the war between Israel
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Speaker 3: and Hamas. It's an end game, but there's a big caveat,
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Speaker 3: and it is a big one. It relies on a
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Speaker 3: deal with the devil Hummas, who have on multiple occasions
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Speaker 3: shown they are unwilling to accept any and all deals
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Speaker 3: on the table.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Israel has been here before.
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Speaker 3: In January it was forced to carry out prisoners swaps
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Speaker 3: for hostages. A temporary six week cease fire was then
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Speaker 3: broken by Hamas after its repeated refusal to release more hostages.
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Speaker 3: But right now, this new plan is really the best
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Speaker 3: hope Israel has got. I mean, in the end, who
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Speaker 3: else has a plan on the table for Gaza, which
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Speaker 3: has been run by Hamas for years with the intent
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Speaker 3: of killing Jews and occupy.
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Speaker 2: Buying its own state. Well, nobody does.
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Speaker 3: So if Donald Trump can pull this off, the world
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Speaker 3: would be a better place for it.
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Speaker 5: President Trump, are you confidence there there'll be peace and
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Speaker 5: guards at anytime soon?
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Speaker 2: I have to break up back now.
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Speaker 3: Only a leader with courage could really take this on.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump understands the Middle East, and his moral clarity
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Speaker 3: has been spot on from day one.
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Speaker 6: If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt
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Speaker 6: your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I
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Speaker 6: get into office, all hell will break out in the
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Speaker 6: Middle East, and it will not be good for AMAS,
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Speaker 6: and it will not be good, frankly, for anyone.
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Speaker 1: All hell will break out.
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Speaker 6: I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: But this time the tone has shifted.
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Speaker 7: If the master rejects a deal, which is always possible,
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Speaker 7: they're the only one left. Everyone else has accepted it.
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Speaker 7: But I have a feeling that we're going to have
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Speaker 7: a positive vent. But if not, as you know, BB,
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Speaker 7: you'd have more fell backing to do what you would
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Speaker 7: have to do.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I want you to compare that with Anthony Albanesi at
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Speaker 3: the United Nations last week.
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Speaker 8: This week Australia recognized the state of Palestine. And what
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Speaker 8: can we the members of the United Nations, say we
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Speaker 8: stand for.
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Speaker 9: If we cannot say we stand for this.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about a contrast.
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Speaker 3: What an incredible waste of time by the conger line
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Speaker 3: of leaders at the United Nations, including Anthony Albernesi, in
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Speaker 3: recognizing a Palestinian state. It was never ever going to
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Speaker 3: be anything other than a symbolic gesture and would have
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Speaker 3: absolutely had zero impact on any.
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Speaker 2: Future plan for peace.
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Speaker 3: And all it did, of course was reward for us
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Speaker 3: and tell the terror group to keep doing what it's
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Speaker 3: doing now. If peace is ever found in the Middle East,
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Speaker 3: it certainly would have nothing to do with Anthony Albernezi
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Speaker 3: nor Penny Wong masquerading as foreign policy experts on the
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Speaker 3: world stage. Yet the PM welcome the deal today on
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Speaker 3: the table like he was the one dictating the terms.
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Speaker 8: Australia has long called for a ceasefire. We have called
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Speaker 8: for the hostages to be released and for Hamas to
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Speaker 8: give up its arms.
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Speaker 2: Oh so, what was it? Was all the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: of Australia, was it?
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Speaker 3: And then the Prime Minister went on to talk about
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Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine again.
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Speaker 8: We commend the focus which is there in the Plan
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Speaker 8: for Palestinian Self Determination and Statement and the Palestinian authority
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Speaker 8: support for the plan, along with so many other nations
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Speaker 8: in the region and countries which have populations of large
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Speaker 8: Muslim populations, such as Indonesia and Pakistan. Australia urges all
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Speaker 8: parties to engage seriously with the plan and a work
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Speaker 8: to bring its vision into reality without delay.
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Speaker 2: Well, look the hypocrisy of this Prime minister.
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Speaker 3: He's spent the past two weeks professing a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 3: living out his boyhood fantasy, then gives himself a pat
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Speaker 3: on the back, welcomes Trump's plan, linked it to a
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Speaker 3: non existent Palestinian state as if.
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Speaker 2: He played a role.
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Speaker 3: And don't forget the majority of our MPs, including Albo
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Speaker 3: and Penny Wong, have not even bothered to watch the
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Speaker 3: full October seven footage of the carnage carried out by
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Speaker 3: humas they've chosen to turn a blind eye and it's
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Speaker 3: of course had a snowball effect. And so everything they've
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Speaker 3: done or failed to do since that day almost two
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Speaker 3: years ago, has been an unmitigated disaster. On the other hand,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump knows and understands what Israel and the world
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Speaker 3: for that matter.
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Speaker 2: Is dealing with terrorism. It's fighting terror for the West.
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Speaker 2: So what happens now, Let's have a look.
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Speaker 3: The twenty point plan includes the immediate release of Israeli
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Speaker 3: hostages within seventy two hours, the disarming of Hermas, which
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Speaker 3: will have no role in Gaza's future, Israeli withdrawal from Gaza,
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Speaker 3: and the introduction of regional, Arab and international forces to
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Speaker 3: act as peacekeepers and facilitate reconstruction of the strip. But
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Speaker 3: the key this time that might get Hamas over the
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Speaker 3: line is that it offers Palestinians in Gaza an olive
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Speaker 3: branch via the structure of a body to run it.
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Speaker 2: But here is the caveat I spoke about.
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Speaker 3: It's a deal with the devil, and it relies on
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Speaker 3: this barbaric group to sign off on multiple conditions and
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Speaker 3: in return a lifeline would be granted for Hermas to
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Speaker 3: be granted amnesty.
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Speaker 2: Or leave Gaza with safe passage.
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Speaker 3: But realistically this is all predicated on how much pressure
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Speaker 3: Hamas is put under to sign it.
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Speaker 10: It does provide them with an offer for amnesty they
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Speaker 10: won't be prosecuted or tried, and for safe passage, that
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Speaker 10: is they can go into exile on our I think
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Speaker 10: it depends on two things, how much military pressure are
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Speaker 10: they under and bear in mind that they have lost
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Speaker 10: several generations of their leadership because of Israel's military campaign
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Speaker 10: and how much pressure to particularly nations like Cuta, Egypt
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Speaker 10: and Turkey bring to bear on Hamas's leadership.
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Speaker 2: The alternative is fighting war with war.
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Speaker 5: The next step will be the establishment of an international
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Speaker 5: body charged with fully disarming Hamas and demilitarizing Gaza. If
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Speaker 5: Hamas rejects your plan, mister President, or if they supposedly
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Speaker 5: accept it and then then basically do everything to counter it,
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Speaker 5: then Israel will finish the job by itself. This can
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Speaker 5: be done the easy way, or it can be done
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Speaker 5: the hard way, but it will.
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Speaker 2: Be done right now.
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Speaker 3: There is an end game on the table, one that
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Speaker 3: sees tom Us gone is able to live in peace
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Speaker 3: and not on edge urgently preparing for a response to
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Speaker 3: another attack on its civilians.
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Speaker 2: But there are so many unknowns right now.
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Speaker 3: But who else has a better plan on the table
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Speaker 3: for Gaza, which is run by this death cult. This
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Speaker 3: group wants to wipe out Israel, and it's shown that
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Speaker 3: it is unwilling to negotiate. It would rather leave Gaza
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Speaker 3: in a complete mess, kill innocent civilians and leave this
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Speaker 3: war going on to do so. But the reality is
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Speaker 3: this war cannot go on, so look, it is easy
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Speaker 3: to criticize Donald Trump. It's easy to say, well, why
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Speaker 3: is the US dictating the terms? Why should Trump slot
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Speaker 3: himself in the Middle Eastern affairs? Well, good luck trying
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Speaker 3: to come up with another plan that lets Israel live
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Speaker 3: in peace.
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Speaker 2: Pull it off.
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Speaker 3: Give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize because right now
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Speaker 3: he is the only.
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Speaker 2: Leader with the moral courage to do this.
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Speaker 3: While the Reserve Bank has sent a clear warning today
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Speaker 3: inflation remains a problem in this country and if you're
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Speaker 3: a mortgage holder, don't expect any rate cuts for the
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Speaker 3: rest of the year. Labour's economic mismanagement is continuing to
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Speaker 3: hurt us all as it spends its way into oblivion,
9:11
Speaker 3: while its band aid energy subsidies are driving up inflation. Now,
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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank has today kept interest rates on hold
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Speaker 3: at three point six percent. In its decision, the RBA
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Speaker 3: set inflation remains sticky and that price pressures are proving
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Speaker 3: more persistent than hoped.
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Speaker 2: It says inflation in the September quarter.
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Speaker 3: May be higher than expected at the time of the
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Speaker 3: August statement on monetary policy, and that the decline in
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Speaker 3: underlying inflation has slowed. Now you recall the CPI rows
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Speaker 3: three percent in the twelve months to August from two
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Speaker 3: point eight percent.
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Speaker 2: Which was above expectations.
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Speaker 3: And today's RBA decision reveals that inflation is starting to
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Speaker 3: rise in some sectors. So what's the common denominator, Well,
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Speaker 3: it's electricity subsease. They're starting to peter out at a
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Speaker 3: federal and state aka you and I are still helping
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Speaker 3: to pay for each other's electricity bills. And it was
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Speaker 3: always going to be the case that once those subsidies
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Speaker 3: start ending, prices will go up.
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Speaker 11: And we have inflation back in a two to three
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Speaker 11: percent band, both in underlying and headline. Headline is going
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Speaker 11: to be volatile, as we've seen, because what happens when
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Speaker 11: happened in the monthly CPI when subsidies drop out for
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Speaker 11: electricity energy, the headline goes.
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Speaker 2: Back up again.
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Speaker 11: So we know that's going to be volatile. I can't
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Speaker 11: say what that means for next month or the month other.
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Speaker 3: And look, subsidies are of course a great way to
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Speaker 3: trick the Reserve Bank into thinking that labor actually has
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Speaker 3: a handle on the economy when it doesn't. And instead
10:45
Speaker 3: of lowering the cost of electricity by two hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy five dollars, as they promised they would at improving
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Speaker 3: the lives of Australians, as they promised they would labour,
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Speaker 3: pumped tax payer funded money into subsidies and then claimed
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Speaker 3: it does some sort of inflation win when the reality
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Speaker 3: is is that electricity prices are up twenty four percent
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Speaker 3: over the past year, and that's according to last week's
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Speaker 3: inflation data, and you will see this very clearly in
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Speaker 3: your next electricity bill. But Jim Chalmers has tried to
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Speaker 3: tell us today that all is well.
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Speaker 12: We've seen interest rates cut three times already this year.
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Speaker 12: When we came to office, interest rates were already rising.
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Speaker 12: Inflation was around double what it is now and rising fast.
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Speaker 12: We've been able to get inflation down. We've seen interest
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Speaker 12: rates cut multiple times. As a consequence, we've got real
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Speaker 12: wages growing, we've kept unemployment law, We've got the budget
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Speaker 12: in better Nick. So all of that represents our good progress.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim Chalmer's budget is actually far from being in
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Speaker 3: good Nick. He was yesterday out there boasting of a
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Speaker 3: smaller than expected ten billion dollar deficit, claiming it as
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Speaker 3: good news. Now, I'm not sure what planet the Treasurer
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Speaker 3: is on thinking that any deficit is good.
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Speaker 12: We turned two very big liberal deficits into two substantial
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Speaker 12: labor surpluses in our first two years, and now in
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Speaker 12: our third year we've been able to get the deficit
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Speaker 12: much smaller as well.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 3: What the Treasurer has failed to mention there is that
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Speaker 3: gross debt is still expected to exceed more than one
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Speaker 3: trillion dollars and it's all thanks to record government spending.
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Speaker 3: Today we found out that Jim Chalmers has presided over
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Speaker 3: the biggest ramp up in spending in forty years outside
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Speaker 3: of the pandemic, and that works out to begin eight
12:43
Speaker 3: percent increase in spending in.
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Speaker 2: The last year alone.
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Speaker 3: So we've got a situation where government spending is up
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Speaker 3: at record levels, inflation remains persistent, economic growth is sluggish.
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Speaker 3: There's been what's described as a material decline in living standards,
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Speaker 3: and the RBA is today responding to it.
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Speaker 11: Now, while inflation has fallen a lot, the price level
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Speaker 11: isn't coming back down. And this higher price level affects everyone,
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Speaker 11: and it's been especially tough on people of lower incomes
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Speaker 11: and the more vulnerable. This is why it's so important
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Speaker 11: to keep inflation low and stable and unemployment as low
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Speaker 11: as possible.
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Speaker 3: It means the potential for more rate cuts this year
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Speaker 3: is all but off the table.
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Speaker 13: This is a direct consequence of the Albanese government's spending spree.
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Speaker 13: There is a reason why rates have been higher for
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Speaker 13: longer in Australia, and that is this Albanesi government ensuring
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Speaker 13: that they keep spending and a big government approach is
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Speaker 13: their mode of operation.
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Speaker 3: The reality is the RBA has hesitated today because labor
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Speaker 3: cannot give it the assurances it needs to cut rates again.
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Speaker 3: This is not the economy that once made us one
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Speaker 3: of the best in the world, and we're continuing to
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Speaker 3: go broke and backwards under this government.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel.
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Speaker 3: Now joining me is former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and
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Speaker 3: GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you both. Thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: joining me.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with this Gaza piece steel on the table
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Speaker 3: outlined by Donald Trump. Holy of course, the ball is
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Speaker 3: now in Hamasa's court, and I've got to say that
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Speaker 3: is the problem here, is it not?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 14: I think what's even more interesting when you look at
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Speaker 14: it and you look at what the benefits are for
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Speaker 14: the people living in Gaza. For the Palestinians, for all
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Speaker 14: of those nutjobs who've been out protesting every weekend, if
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Speaker 14: they are not out celebrating and hoping that Hamas accepts
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Speaker 14: this peace deal, for the improvement in life that will
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Speaker 14: bring of the Gazans that they have said that they
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Speaker 14: cared about. You know, this is where their hypocrisy may
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Speaker 14: come front and center. This is closest we've come in
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Speaker 14: almost generations to getting some sort of peace in that area,
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Speaker 14: that we see an extension of the Abraham Accords. That
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Speaker 14: this will be good for Israel, it will be good
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Speaker 14: for the people of Gaza. I could not give a
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Speaker 14: flying for the Commas terrorists. I don't care whether it's
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Speaker 14: good for them or not. But it certainly gives the
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Speaker 14: best hope of peace in that region. And the fact
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Speaker 14: that all the Arab states are on board, in fact,
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Speaker 14: the only one not on board is Hamas is I
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Speaker 14: think a really important step in the right direction.
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Speaker 4: And it's certainly doing foreign policy differently.
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Speaker 14: And thinking outside the square, which is I guess what
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Speaker 14: we've come to expect to see from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you raise a good point. I mean, where
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Speaker 3: is the pro Palestine group today?
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Speaker 2: Where are they?
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything. They've been awfully quiet. It speaks volumes, Cameron.
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Speaker 3: Labor's been weak and muddled in its response to this
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Speaker 3: war from day one. Today our bo is still talking
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Speaker 3: about Palestinian statehood. You know, well, he and other leaders
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Speaker 3: went to the UN to reward terror. You've got Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump actually with the moral courage to come up with
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Speaker 3: a plan for peace.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 15: And ever since October seven, and it's almost two years,
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Speaker 15: almost two years after that awful, awful massacre and tragedy,
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Speaker 15: Albot's been all over the place.
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong hasn't been. She's been anti Israel from the start.
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Speaker 15: She was in Auntie Israel for twenty years in the
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Speaker 15: Labour Party, so you know, her being pro Palestine is
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Speaker 15: no great surprise. Albot being weak no great surprise. But
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Speaker 15: isn't the contrast here, Daneka, Daneka. Last week we had
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Speaker 15: merely mouth words from foreign leaders, including Albanize at the
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Speaker 15: UN with no plan, no plan to get rid of Hamas,
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Speaker 15: and now we have action action from the US President.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it such a great contrast.
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Speaker 15: Weak, merely mouth words in the UN and a twenty
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Speaker 15: point action plan to deal with the Garzen problem, which
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Speaker 15: is you know, freeing the hostages, getting rid of her
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Speaker 15: masks and getting garzens out from under the thumb of
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Speaker 15: hamas At rueful terrorist organization who have been starving their
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Speaker 15: own people there. So I think it's a good plan
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Speaker 15: for everyone peace fore Israel getting rid of from us.
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Speaker 1: But the UN had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 15: The words last week and the big speeches had nothing
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Speaker 15: to do with It's all down to Donald Trump and
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Speaker 15: a twenty point plan for peace exactly.
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Speaker 3: This symbolism of you know, recognizing Palestine, it was never
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Speaker 3: going to bring peace. It was purely people like Anthony
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Speaker 3: Arberesi living out their boyhood fantasies on the world stage
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Speaker 3: and betraying our values at the same time. Now look,
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Speaker 3: I thought this story was extraordinary, the Australian Border Forces
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Speaker 3: secretly buying crayfishing boats for intercepted asylum seekers. The West
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Speaker 3: Australian has revealed the ABF is putting asylum seekers who
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Speaker 3: are on unseaworthy vessels on the safer boats and turning
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Speaker 3: them back to Indonesia.
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Speaker 2: And some of these vessels are costing up to.
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Speaker 3: Four hundred thousand dollars in taxpayers dollars a pop Holly.
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Speaker 3: Is this border protection or are we literally upgrading the
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Speaker 3: smugglers feet on the tax player.
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Speaker 14: It's just insanity, ritt large, and it's in two stages.
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Speaker 4: You can almost see the.
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Speaker 14: People smuggle going, Hey, let's take this crappy boat that's
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Speaker 14: slightly problematic, get almost to Australia and then border floss
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Speaker 14: will upgrade our fleet on the Australian dime and send
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Speaker 14: us back, allowing us to make the next voyage in
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Speaker 14: a much better vessel which probably will get us to
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Speaker 14: the Australian mainland. I mean, it is just insanity no
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Speaker 14: matter which way you look at it. I don't know
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Speaker 14: which genius came up with this one, but it is
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Speaker 14: just nuts and no wonder Home Affairs doesn't want to
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Speaker 14: talk about it, and we're not hearing very much about it.
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Speaker 14: I hope there's been some work being done by the
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Speaker 14: shadow Home Affairs Minister that there's lots of questions on this.
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Speaker 4: When estimates comes up in a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Cameron does this policy just guarantee that more
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Speaker 3: departures will come in dodgy boats here because I guess
18:51
Speaker 3: that the ride home is safer.
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Speaker 15: Well, I mean Labour's plan was to stop the boats.
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Speaker 15: Now we hear that Tony Burks plans to gift the boats.
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Speaker 15: I mean this is crazy.
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Speaker 1: This is crazy. I mean, you're right.
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Speaker 15: I mean they turn up in a leaky boat, they
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Speaker 15: get given a brand new, taxpayer funded, four hundred thousand
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Speaker 15: dollars boat that can go from Indonesia Australia back and forth. No,
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Speaker 15: this is crazy. But this is Tony Burke at his worst,
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Speaker 15: you know, operational. I can't talk about it, go and
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Speaker 15: talk to Border Force. No, this is a guy who
19:19
Speaker 15: turned up at Sydney Airport and did concierge service, concierge
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Speaker 15: service for gardens on tourist visas with no security checks.
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Speaker 15: This bloke is a real problem for our borders. Not
19:29
Speaker 15: only at Sydney Airport, you know, greeting people who haven't
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Speaker 15: gone through security checks, but now gifting boats to people smugglers.
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Speaker 15: That's Tony Burke.
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Speaker 2: It's Tony Burke in a nutshell.
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Speaker 3: And don't forget he was giving citizenships left, right and
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Speaker 3: center before the election, his private meet and greet. Now
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Speaker 3: this border protection. He's got a lot of questions to answer,
19:47
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
19:48
Speaker 2: Now, look, I want to talk about ucas.
19:49
Speaker 3: The acting Prime Minister Richard Marles, has insisted the government
19:52
Speaker 3: is very confident that the deal will proceed as planned,
19:55
Speaker 3: even though the US Pentagon has today stressed that the
19:58
Speaker 3: review is ongoing.
19:59
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: AUCUS is happening.
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Speaker 16: That's not in question that AUCUS is the subject of
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Speaker 16: a trilateral treaty between Australia, the US and the UK.
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Speaker 16: We're very confident about the deal and we've been saying
20:14
Speaker 16: that from all the way through.
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Speaker 3: This comes after a Japanese outlet reporter that the pact
20:21
Speaker 3: has survived, but Washington won't confirm. Holly me Richard Miles
20:25
Speaker 3: seems awfully confident right now.
20:28
Speaker 2: Should he be, Look.
20:30
Speaker 4: I don't know.
20:31
Speaker 14: I would hope so, because this is a trilateral agreement,
20:34
Speaker 14: there's obviously benefits to the UK as well, and that
20:37
Speaker 14: the Trump steam as Timer relationship is very strong, just
20:42
Speaker 14: because we don't seem to have one. And I do
20:44
Speaker 14: think Richard Miles probably is the best place minister with
20:47
Speaker 14: a relationship with the US government at this stage.
20:50
Speaker 4: But the fact that Albinizi was.
20:52
Speaker 14: Still all over the place on this when he was
20:54
Speaker 14: asked about it at the press conference today, I mean.
20:56
Speaker 4: The poor love he did look a little bit jet lacked.
21:00
Speaker 14: Had all those four albow bears himself when he met
21:02
Speaker 14: with Kirs Starmer, because his eyes looked a very bit
21:05
Speaker 14: blurry and he looked a bit like he just hadn't
21:07
Speaker 14: had enough sleeper late. But the fact that he is
21:11
Speaker 14: so out of the loop when it comes to this,
21:13
Speaker 14: the fact that Kis Starmer has now meant multiple times
21:15
Speaker 14: with Trump and I would still only be fifty to
21:19
Speaker 14: fifty this meeting with Trump's ever going to go ahead.
21:22
Speaker 2: Well, look that's a good point.
21:23
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows after the selfie that they took
21:26
Speaker 3: his certainly don't know.
21:27
Speaker 2: But Cameron, you've been inside labor.
21:29
Speaker 3: How concerned would labor be that they have to really
21:33
Speaker 3: get this deal over the line, particularly during that meeting
21:36
Speaker 3: next month.
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Speaker 1: Look, they do, and even beforehand.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I think at the end of the day,
21:42
Speaker 15: what this says is the relationship, regardless of who the
21:45
Speaker 15: PM is, regardless of Albo being terribly weak and merely
21:48
Speaker 15: mouthed on ucas. At the end of the day, the US,
21:50
Speaker 15: the UK and Australia have a shared history and a
21:53
Speaker 15: shared purpose in the world in terms of Western democracy
21:56
Speaker 15: and the countries and how we're fought together. So I
21:58
Speaker 15: think Aucust survives, survives despite Albanite in this situation. So yes,
22:03
Speaker 15: I think we should have confidence that our allies will
22:05
Speaker 15: actually look after Australia, even if we haven't been the
22:07
Speaker 15: best ourselves in recent times.
22:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:10
Speaker 3: Well, I mean without these submarines we are so exposed
22:13
Speaker 3: and when we need this for our own defense.
22:16
Speaker 2: Now.
22:16
Speaker 3: Look, UK reform leader Nigel Farage has slammed Anthony Albanesi
22:20
Speaker 3: is quote totally out of touch after he failed to
22:22
Speaker 3: meet him on his tour of the UK. He's told
22:25
Speaker 3: News Corp he's totally out of touch with the huge
22:27
Speaker 3: changes in the UK and elsewhere across the West. Voters
22:30
Speaker 3: have had enough of the failings of the liberal establishment.
22:33
Speaker 9: Holly.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's not wrong, is he. Anthony Alberzi got there.
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Speaker 3: I went on stage at the UK Labor Conference and
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Speaker 3: was talking about saving democracy, defending democracy and a fight
22:45
Speaker 3: against the far right.
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Speaker 2: Didn't even bother to meet with Nigel.
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Speaker 3: Farage, who could quite well be the future UK Prime minister.
22:53
Speaker 14: Look, I think someone should be watching very closely what
22:56
Speaker 14: the Twitter accounts of not only the Prime Minister but
22:59
Speaker 14: the ambassador to the UK accounts are saying because we
23:03
Speaker 14: know what the current situation is, what they said about
23:05
Speaker 14: the current US president, and perhaps they're laying the groundwork
23:09
Speaker 14: for just as bad relationship start if Nigel Farage does
23:13
Speaker 14: end up leader of the UK.
23:17
Speaker 4: I mean, look, with any luck who's a Liberal.
23:19
Speaker 14: I hope that by the time we get to the
23:21
Speaker 14: elections in the UK in four years time, we've seen
23:24
Speaker 14: the back of Albanisy. But in case we haven't, he
23:26
Speaker 14: should be doing everything he can to ensure that our
23:29
Speaker 14: relationship with the UK is strong across the board. And
23:33
Speaker 14: that's you know, part of bilateral relations is not just
23:36
Speaker 14: having a friendship with the guys on your stay in
23:40
Speaker 14: political side.
23:42
Speaker 3: Now, look you're spot on and Cameron, I mean, all
23:44
Speaker 3: the polls right now out of the UK suggests that
23:46
Speaker 3: Nigel Farage, he's way ahead of Labor, way ahead of
23:49
Speaker 3: the Tories. He could very well be the next prime minister.
23:52
Speaker 3: Isn't now the time to start laying the groundwork?
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Speaker 9: Well?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, but this is Albo's little sort of friends to it,
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Speaker 15: wasn't it. I mean, this is in an albow, in
24:02
Speaker 15: an echo chamber of Albinistas, you know, patting him on
24:05
Speaker 15: the back, saying oh, it'sally wonderful Albow. You know, he
24:07
Speaker 15: is taxpayer's money to turn up to a UK labor conference.
24:10
Speaker 15: He was never going to talk to Nigel Farrach, even
24:12
Speaker 15: if Nigel Fraj may on the polls, as you say,
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Speaker 15: become a future leader of the UK. No, this is
24:17
Speaker 15: all about Alba hanging out with mates, taking beers O
24:20
Speaker 15: ten Downing Street.
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Speaker 1: Getting pats on the backs. That's what he was doing
24:24
Speaker 1: on the taxpayers dime in the UK.
24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tam Malbow and team Albow only on the world stage.
24:29
Speaker 3: I say, came Ram Milna, Holy Hughes, We've got to
24:30
Speaker 3: leave it there.
24:31
Speaker 2: Good to see you both. Thank you very much for
24:32
Speaker 2: joining me.
24:33
Speaker 3: Thank you Now to Labour's renewables only rollout when new
24:37
Speaker 3: data mapping shows the staggering scale of this fantasy obsession.
24:42
Speaker 3: Twenty five thousand wind towers, two hundred and fifty million
24:47
Speaker 3: solar panels, and all at a cost of one point
24:50
Speaker 3: three trillion dollars. Now this is our very first glimpse
24:54
Speaker 3: of the true scale of this. This project has been
24:57
Speaker 3: led by Queensland conservationist Stephen Nowakowski and he says the
25:02
Speaker 3: role out is ad hoc chaotic madness, with no costings
25:05
Speaker 3: by government and no regional or national spatial planning. I
25:08
Speaker 3: find it staggering that thousands of wind towers and transmission
25:11
Speaker 3: are being rolled out in such an unplanned manner and
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Speaker 3: no one seems to care.
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Speaker 2: Well, Gee is not wrong, is he?
25:18
Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm now joined by former Nationals
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Speaker 3: leader at Michael McCormack. Michael, nice to catch up. Look,
25:23
Speaker 3: if you look at that image that we just played,
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Speaker 3: the area is actually equivalent to almost all of metropolitan Sydney,
25:30
Speaker 3: parts of the lower Blue Mountains and beyond Richmond and Campbelltown.
25:34
Speaker 3: But the sheer extent of this is extraordinary, isn't it.
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Speaker 17: It is saneeka, But never mind the fact that it's
25:41
Speaker 17: taking up a metropolitan area.
25:43
Speaker 9: It's going to take up.
25:44
Speaker 17: Arable farmland, arable farmland where at the moment we grow
25:48
Speaker 17: food and fiber. It's the equivalent of more than a
25:51
Speaker 17: Midian football fields taken up with what solar panels, which
25:56
Speaker 17: are going to reduce the global temperature by half degree
26:01
Speaker 17: win tows as tall as Barangaru one. I mean, this
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Speaker 17: is nonsense, but don't take my word for it. Ask
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Speaker 17: the Emma webs of the world. Between bounding and buying along.
26:14
Speaker 17: She's really worried about a company which is running in
26:17
Speaker 17: Solvent in the UK, coming in and putting ninety wind
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Speaker 17: towers which are just going.
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Speaker 9: To ruin their idealic, peaceful area.
26:29
Speaker 17: And for what for this reckless rush to renew able
26:32
Speaker 17: So Chris Bowl And remember Chris Bow and the immigration
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Speaker 17: minister who brought eight hundred boats and fifty thousand illegal
26:39
Speaker 17: maritime arrivals when he was the worst immigration minister in Australia.
26:43
Speaker 9: Now he's charge in charge of energy and climate action.
26:47
Speaker 17: I mean, go figure. This bloke is no friend to Australia,
26:51
Speaker 17: no friend whatsoever. He calls it cheap politics when you
26:54
Speaker 17: criticize the policy. Yet it's not cheap politics for those households,
26:58
Speaker 17: those manufacturing businesses, those farmers, those small business operators who
27:04
Speaker 17: are paying through the nose for their energy bills.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned, you know, regional Australia.
27:09
Speaker 3: They are the ones really suffering because the land is
27:12
Speaker 3: being carved up to connect solar, to connect transmission lines
27:17
Speaker 3: for the grid.
27:18
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just getting out of control.
27:19
Speaker 3: And I've got to say the other thing, Michael, is
27:21
Speaker 3: this the data today has put the cost of the
27:23
Speaker 3: roll out at one trillion dollars.
27:25
Speaker 2: And this is just the issue. We don't actually know
27:28
Speaker 2: how much the fantasy is going to cost.
27:30
Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, Labour put out at twenty thirty five target,
27:33
Speaker 3: uncosted and with no answer as to what it will
27:36
Speaker 3: do for our power bills.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's actually one point three three trillion dollars, but
27:45
Speaker 17: what's point three to three trillion dollars to the Labor Party?
27:48
Speaker 17: I mean, they've never been good with figures. And you
27:52
Speaker 17: mentioned connecting.
27:53
Speaker 9: To the grid.
27:54
Speaker 17: There are project proposals up in the Upper Lockland Show
27:57
Speaker 17: which is in the river, and are electric nikropople. They're
28:00
Speaker 17: going to put up wind towers, but they're not going
28:02
Speaker 17: to be connected to the grid. There are battery energy
28:05
Speaker 17: storage systems cropping up all over the countryside, all over
28:09
Speaker 17: my electorate, which if and when it's probably more a
28:13
Speaker 17: matter of when not if they catch fire. The local
28:17
Speaker 17: rule fire Service volunteers say they're not going to be
28:19
Speaker 17: able to put them out because they're not trained to
28:21
Speaker 17: do so. They're not trained and they don't want to
28:24
Speaker 17: place their health at risk for the toxicity of the flames.
28:28
Speaker 17: And then of course we've got the solar panels. Thankfully, Enji,
28:31
Speaker 17: a French owned company, pulled a plug literally on a
28:35
Speaker 17: proposal to build a solar factory next to Yas, which
28:38
Speaker 17: was bigger than Yas itself. But these are happening all
28:42
Speaker 17: over Australia and we've got state governments which are complicit
28:45
Speaker 17: in it because they are riding roughshot over local councils
28:49
Speaker 17: and local community interests. They're not taking any considerations into account.
28:54
Speaker 17: They're just rolling out these renewables and it's at a
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Speaker 17: huge cost to all Australians. And again I ask for what.
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Speaker 17: We're not going to change the world's climate by ruining
29:05
Speaker 17: Australia's best farmland and we grow the best food and
29:08
Speaker 17: fiber in all Australia. We've got the best environmental stewards
29:11
Speaker 17: and their call farmers and we need them three times
29:14
Speaker 17: a day every day. We should be thanking them, not
29:16
Speaker 17: ruining their countryside with the rush to renewables.
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Speaker 1: Nonsense.
29:21
Speaker 3: Well, look, speaking of farmers, there was a report today
29:24
Speaker 3: that farmers who actually welcome renewables projects on their properties
29:28
Speaker 3: are now being bullied, harassed, even threatened by activists who
29:32
Speaker 3: are opposing these projects. Michael, what's happening out there are
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Speaker 3: farmers being pitted against each other.
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Speaker 17: According to this inquiry, they are I've never seen a
29:44
Speaker 17: country comunit.
29:45
Speaker 9: Jesus divided is this. Families have been split up.
29:48
Speaker 17: They're being split up by spits and shisters coming in
29:51
Speaker 17: offering the world to one family and not to another.
29:57
Speaker 17: Even in their own families, brothers and sisters, a fighting family.
30:01
Speaker 17: Friendships which have been going for years have been cast
30:05
Speaker 17: asunder because one has signed up to a renewables project leasing.
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Speaker 9: Their land to a wind tower and the other is not.
30:13
Speaker 17: And they are being made feel like their parides in
30:17
Speaker 17: their country communities. They can't go into town and get
30:19
Speaker 17: a coffee because they've signed a deal. And what they
30:21
Speaker 17: don't understand sadly, Danica, is the fact that you know,
30:27
Speaker 17: when these come to get commission, Daneka, who's going to
30:30
Speaker 17: pay for that? Who is going to actually pay for
30:33
Speaker 17: the rusted wind turbines decommissioning for the recycling of it.
30:37
Speaker 17: It's going to be the farmers themselves, and it's going
30:40
Speaker 17: to cost them perhaps not tens of thousands of dollars,
30:43
Speaker 17: but hundreds of thousands of dollars. And you know they
30:45
Speaker 17: should be very careful before they sign anything from these
30:48
Speaker 17: biefs who are only going to send the.
30:49
Speaker 9: Money off sure at any rate. It is an absolute crop.
30:53
Speaker 17: Country communities are so divided, and the divide also, the
30:57
Speaker 17: chasm between city and country has never been wider, unfortunately,
31:00
Speaker 17: because we've got the Zali Steggles of the world who
31:03
Speaker 17: think that their electorates need this, want this, and to
31:07
Speaker 17: hell with regional communities which.
31:08
Speaker 9: Don't want this.
31:09
Speaker 17: And it's such it's such a sad situation when you
31:13
Speaker 17: see family split up, and you see friendships which have
31:16
Speaker 17: been lasting for decades also split up over this rush renewables,
31:21
Speaker 17: which is all on Chris Bowen's watch.
31:23
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's so worrying actually that it is literallyping ted
31:27
Speaker 3: Town's apart. It's just shocking. Michael McCormack, nice to catch up.
31:30
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining me on the show this evening.
31:34
Speaker 2: Well do stay with us.
31:34
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Donald Trump and Benjamin Etna,
31:37
Speaker 3: who call it a.
31:38
Speaker 2: Historic day for peace. I'll go live to tell Aviv.
31:40
Speaker 3: Next and catch up with former Israeli government spokesperson Elon
31:44
Speaker 3: Levy to break down today's deal and whether Hamas would
31:47
Speaker 3: actually come to the table. Welcome back, Let's return now
31:53
Speaker 3: to Donald Trump's twenty point plan to finally end the
31:56
Speaker 3: two year conflict in Gaza. For more, I'm joined by
31:59
Speaker 3: former Israeli gar and spokesperson Elon Levy Elon Good to
32:02
Speaker 3: catch up. Firstly, what's your reaction? What do you make
32:05
Speaker 3: of what's on the table right now?
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Speaker 18: We need massive global pressure on Hamas to say yes
32:12
Speaker 18: to this deal. Israel wants peace, The United States wants peace.
32:16
Speaker 18: The only people who don't want peace are the Hamas
32:18
Speaker 18: terrorist army, who we're still holding onto the hostages and
32:21
Speaker 18: waging this brutal war. This is a bold plan to
32:25
Speaker 18: end the war that Hamas started two years ago. If implemented,
32:30
Speaker 18: it ends the war immediately. It surges humanitarian aid immediately.
32:35
Speaker 18: Most important, it releases all the hostages immediately, and it
32:39
Speaker 18: requires Hamas to be dismantled, to destroy its offensive weaponry
32:44
Speaker 18: and make sure that it can have no role in
32:46
Speaker 18: the future governance of Gaza. And what this deal basically
32:50
Speaker 18: is is the terms of Hamas's surrender. It's the United
32:54
Speaker 18: States telling Hamas you have lost this war, there is
32:57
Speaker 18: nothing left to fight for. You need to end this
33:00
Speaker 18: and stop dragging the region into more conflict.
33:03
Speaker 19: Take the deal.
33:04
Speaker 18: Take it now?
33:05
Speaker 3: Look absolutely, And the issue once again is Hamas. I mean,
33:09
Speaker 3: they haven't played ball from the very beginning. The world's
33:12
Speaker 3: gambling on making a deal with the devil. But this
33:15
Speaker 3: time there would be a body to oversee Gaza elon.
33:19
Speaker 3: Do you think that would make a difference in the negotiations.
33:24
Speaker 18: Look, I don't have much confidence in the idea that
33:28
Speaker 18: international peacekeepers are going to dismantle Hamas. We saw how
33:33
Speaker 18: has Bola built its terrorist army right under the noses
33:37
Speaker 18: of international peacekeepers in Lebanon, where those peacekeepers were more
33:41
Speaker 18: than useless. But this is a serious proposal that gets
33:45
Speaker 18: the hostages out immediately, and that makes it clear that
33:49
Speaker 18: either Hamas dismantles itself or Israel will dismantle it. What
33:53
Speaker 18: we need to hear from world leaders now, the ones
33:55
Speaker 18: who are saying that Hamas must accept this deal is
33:59
Speaker 18: what the all Else is what happens if Hamas says no.
34:03
Speaker 18: If Hamas says no, the response can't be pressure on
34:07
Speaker 18: Israel to end the war with Hammas still armed and
34:10
Speaker 18: still holding hostages. The response has to be to stand
34:14
Speaker 18: firmly behind Israel as it does the world's dirty work
34:18
Speaker 18: and gets rid of a Hamas that refuses to get
34:20
Speaker 18: rid of itself.
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Speaker 3: Well, the warning was very clear from Benjamin Netanya, who
34:25
Speaker 3: today for Hamas, have a listen to this.
34:28
Speaker 5: If Hamas rejects your plan, mister President, or if they
34:33
Speaker 5: supposedly accept it and then then basically do everything to
34:38
Speaker 5: counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself.
34:46
Speaker 5: This can be done the easy way, or it can
34:49
Speaker 5: be done the hard way, but it will be done.
34:54
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has backed Israel in on this, so elon
34:57
Speaker 3: if Hermas does not come to the table, what happens next.
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Speaker 18: If Hamas does not accept this deal to free the
35:06
Speaker 18: hostages and end the war, then Israel will continue the
35:09
Speaker 18: military option to bring Hamas down and make sure that
35:12
Speaker 18: it can never threaten Israeli families again. Israel cannot accept
35:17
Speaker 18: Hamas continuing to hold onto those hostages it is starving
35:21
Speaker 18: and torturing interunnels under Gaza. Israel cannot accept Hamas controlling
35:27
Speaker 18: territory just a few meters away from people's homes in
35:31
Speaker 18: Israel rebuilding its terrorist army for the next October seventh massacre.
35:36
Speaker 18: This war is going to end with Hamas removed one
35:38
Speaker 18: way or another, and so everyone in Israel hopes Hamas
35:42
Speaker 18: will get the hint it's lost this war. It's time
35:45
Speaker 18: to relinquish power and lay down its arms.
35:48
Speaker 1: But if it.
35:48
Speaker 19: Doesn't do that, Israel will have no choice but.
35:51
Speaker 18: To continue the fight against Hamas, and it expects the
35:54
Speaker 18: whole world to stand together with it. Hamas cannot continue
35:58
Speaker 18: to defide the world that is telling it to free
36:02
Speaker 18: the hostages, to lay down its arms, to relinquish power
36:05
Speaker 18: and expect that it's going to be protected and survive
36:08
Speaker 18: this horrible war it started two years ago.
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Speaker 3: Elon last week, leaders recognized Palestine at the UN. You know,
36:15
Speaker 3: if peace is ever found in the Middle East, it
36:17
Speaker 3: certainly would have nothing to do with the likes of
36:19
Speaker 3: the Australian Prime Minist Anthony Albernezi, who pushed for a
36:22
Speaker 3: Palestinian state. But as today's deal made, these leaders look
36:27
Speaker 3: so weak for going to the United Nations with absolutely
36:31
Speaker 3: no plan whatsoever, just purely playing politics.
36:37
Speaker 18: I think President Trump's proposal shows what a dangerous role
36:40
Speaker 18: these world leaders have been making by trying to grant
36:43
Speaker 18: stand and appeal to their own backbenches and cave into
36:47
Speaker 18: violent mobs on their own street. What we need is
36:50
Speaker 18: pressure on har maask to end the war it started,
36:55
Speaker 18: not rewards for har Maas that encourage it to keep going.
36:58
Speaker 18: But Hammas said just this week global recognition is one
37:02
Speaker 18: of the benefits of October seventh. Australia's reaction made Hamas
37:07
Speaker 18: feel vindicated, makes Hamas think it was right to launch
37:11
Speaker 18: this regional war two years ago. While President Trump is
37:15
Speaker 18: trying to pressure Hamas to end the war, Australia was
37:18
Speaker 18: effectively telling Hamas keep going. So I hope that Australia,
37:23
Speaker 18: the Australian government now thinks, seriously, how do we pressure
37:26
Speaker 18: Hamas to say yes to this deal? And if Hamas
37:29
Speaker 18: says no, how do we stop rewarding Hamas and support
37:34
Speaker 18: Israel as it fights to do what the whole world
37:37
Speaker 18: is saying must happen, which is to bring the hostages
37:40
Speaker 18: home and to bring Hamas down and out of power
37:43
Speaker 18: so it can never drag this region into war ever again.
37:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, it just goes to share the difference
37:48
Speaker 3: with the leaders that the leaders at the UN with
37:50
Speaker 3: no plan, just grandstanding, as you said, Donald Trump, with
37:53
Speaker 3: moral courage and an actual planned to try and bring peace.
37:56
Speaker 3: We all are white with beta breath to see what
37:58
Speaker 3: happens Elon Levy to catch up. As always, thank you
38:01
Speaker 3: so much for joining me on the show this evening.
38:03
Speaker 2: We're coming up after the break.
38:04
Speaker 3: As Victoria's youth crime crisis explodes, a radical proposal for
38:08
Speaker 3: a special African court has been put on the table.
38:11
Speaker 3: I'll speak to the state's shadow police Minister, David Southwick,
38:15
Speaker 3: and still to come Rates GST and Labour's deficit blowout
38:18
Speaker 3: Eminence Advisories Dmitri Verstein will join me on the program. Well,
38:26
Speaker 3: Victoria is in the middle of a youth crime crisis
38:28
Speaker 3: and we've seen one strange plan after another to fix it,
38:32
Speaker 3: like Jacinta Allen's machete amnesty bins, for example.
38:36
Speaker 2: But this one really takes the cake.
38:38
Speaker 3: The Herald Sun is reporting that in May last year,
38:41
Speaker 3: a special African court, similar to the state's Aboriginal courts,
38:45
Speaker 3: was investigated by justice experts and community leaders as a
38:49
Speaker 3: way to drive down youth crime and rates of incarceration
38:53
Speaker 3: among African Australian teens. They wanted a culturally appropriate system
38:58
Speaker 3: to quote treat African children fairly. Join mean Out for
39:02
Speaker 3: more on this is Victoria's shadow Police Minister, David Southwick, David,
39:06
Speaker 3: thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Do Victorians want.
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Speaker 3: A race based justice system or do they want offenders
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Speaker 3: held accountable full stop?
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Speaker 20: Well, first, so great to be with Nika and three
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Speaker 20: words that will solve the crime crisis. Consequence, consequence, consequence,
39:21
Speaker 20: and there is none of that here in Victoria. The
39:24
Speaker 20: fact that we're now coming to a situation where we've
39:29
Speaker 20: got to have different courts to look at individuals where
39:33
Speaker 20: there is no question that we want community to be
39:36
Speaker 20: involved and early intervention programs to help these young offenders.
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Speaker 19: From getting to where they're at.
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Speaker 20: But by the time these serious offenders hit the courts,
39:46
Speaker 20: it's far too late. And these are serious offenders and
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Speaker 20: they've got to be treated like any other serious offender,
39:52
Speaker 20: and they've got to understand that there are strict rules
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Speaker 20: and consequences. The program that was suggested in this particular
39:58
Speaker 20: court was suggesting that they would be relaxed, more casual
40:02
Speaker 20: kinds of approaches.
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Speaker 19: Well, our whole rule of law in Victoria has.
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Speaker 20: Been casual and relaxed, and that's why we're in the
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Speaker 20: crime crisis that we're in.
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Speaker 19: I think Victorians expect to.
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Speaker 20: Have a system that treats everybody equally and everybody fairly
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Speaker 20: between the law, but also understands that if you break
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Speaker 20: the law and if you commit serious crime, there has
40:25
Speaker 20: to be consequences in serious time that then results.
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Speaker 3: Look, I completely agree with you, and you're right to
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Speaker 3: say it all comes down to consequences, and that is
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Speaker 3: at the very heart of the issue that's going on
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Speaker 3: in Victoria right now, because there hasn't been enough consequences.
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Speaker 3: And take this for example, I want to ask you
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Speaker 3: about this. There's been some real chaos in Melbourne, CBD.
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Speaker 3: Four teenagers have been charged with twenty two serious criminal
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Speaker 3: charges after an alleged stolen BMW sped through the city
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Speaker 3: at high speed before allegedly hitting a woman and terrifying shoppers.
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Speaker 3: Justinto Allen says, this is disgraceful, dangerous behavior. Victorians won't
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Speaker 3: tolerate it, and neither will we. Look, it's the same
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Speaker 3: week language from her, David. But I've got to say,
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Speaker 3: what sort of a message is the justice system sending
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Speaker 3: right now, not just to offenders who seem to go
41:13
Speaker 3: to court, get a slap on the wrist and then
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Speaker 3: the circle of violence continues, but also to victims of crime.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, victims are completely disregarded in Victoria. The fact that
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Speaker 20: the four alleged defenders, they were three of them were
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Speaker 20: on supervision orders.
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Speaker 19: What kind of supervision were they doing when.
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Speaker 20: They're able to drive a car at high speeds through
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Speaker 20: the Bird Street mall at a time.
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Speaker 19: When it's school holidays.
41:41
Speaker 20: You've got families that are meant to be out enjoying
41:44
Speaker 20: themselves in what was once upon a time Melbourne's most
41:48
Speaker 20: livable city and we have this absolute shambles. And again
41:54
Speaker 20: the courts just allow these offenders to be back out
41:58
Speaker 20: recommening the same offense. But it's not the courts, it's
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Speaker 20: the government. It's the government that should be providing leadership.
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Speaker 20: And what I think really frustrates Victorians the most is
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Speaker 20: you have a premier that comes out again and says, oh,
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Speaker 20: this is disgraceful behavior. The disgraceful behavior is you've got
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Speaker 20: a government that's been there for a decade and has
42:17
Speaker 20: allowed this behavior to happen. Who when does the buckstop.
42:21
Speaker 20: The buckstops with the premier. The premier should be responsible
42:25
Speaker 20: for this, and ultimately it's a failure of her government.
42:28
Speaker 20: It's a system failure, it's a government failure to have
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Speaker 20: this happen on the streets and we are so lucky
42:33
Speaker 20: that we didn't see fatalities that happen when this occurred
42:37
Speaker 20: in our birth Street mall in one of the busiest
42:40
Speaker 20: time school holidays. It's a disgrace. It should never happen
42:44
Speaker 20: and the government literally should be absolutely to blame for this,
42:48
Speaker 20: and the Premier should be out explaining what she's going
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Speaker 20: to do to fix the crime crisis.
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Speaker 2: Look, I couldn't agree with you more.
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Speaker 3: And we've spoken over the last few days about record
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Speaker 3: crime rates in Victoria, but are also now seeing carjackings exploding.
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Speaker 3: They're running at nine a week now. It's a thirty
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Speaker 3: six percent surgeon just one year. And most concerningly, nobody
43:12
Speaker 3: is spared. There were recent reports of a ninety one
43:14
Speaker 3: year old outside his aged care home. Mom and dad
43:18
Speaker 3: were ambushed with their toddler in the back seat. David,
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Speaker 3: you know how on Earth has Melbourne become a city
43:24
Speaker 3: where you've got pensioners and young families been ambushed in
43:28
Speaker 3: the middle of the day so brazenly. What does it
43:32
Speaker 3: say about these offenders that they're not scared at all?
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Speaker 20: No, you're absolutely right, and we looked at this over
43:39
Speaker 20: a decade where the escalation has got to a point
43:42
Speaker 20: where yes, we have had carjackings over that period, but
43:45
Speaker 20: not brazen attacks in the middle of the day where
43:48
Speaker 20: you've got elderly people punched in the face, ripped out
43:52
Speaker 20: of their cars, and the car stolen cars with kids
43:55
Speaker 20: in the back, toddler's in the back. This is all
43:58
Speaker 20: happening in broad daylight, and again no consequences cars if
44:04
Speaker 20: they're found. Many cars are then torched afterwards. And apart
44:09
Speaker 20: from what the trauma that's left behind, many of these
44:12
Speaker 20: victims who are spoken about, victims absolutely left defend for
44:16
Speaker 20: themselves and traumatized from lifetime. Over all of this, we've
44:19
Speaker 20: also got to remember there's an economic cost as well.
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Speaker 19: All of these carjackings mean that.
44:25
Speaker 20: People's insurance premiums through the roof and we're all paying
44:29
Speaker 20: for it. And that is that is the cost of
44:33
Speaker 20: a lawless state, a law of state in Victoria. This
44:36
Speaker 20: government has presided over it for a decade, it's only
44:39
Speaker 20: gotten worse. As I've said all along, let's get some consequences.
44:43
Speaker 20: Let's ensure that for those people that commit these serious
44:46
Speaker 20: crime that.
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Speaker 19: They are held to account and at the same.
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Speaker 20: Time, for these early young people that are bored that
44:54
Speaker 20: don't have any opportunity. Let's send them to bootcamp. Let's
44:57
Speaker 20: put them into residential programs. Let's get them add of
45:01
Speaker 20: a life of crime into a life of opportunity.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, you know that certainly opposition's got some really,
45:06
Speaker 3: really great initiatives on the table. David South, We've got
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Speaker 3: to leave it there. Thanks so much for joining me
45:10
Speaker 3: on the show.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
45:12
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Jim Chalmer is spending us
45:14
Speaker 3: into oblivion as the RBA remains concerned about inflation. Eminence Advisories,
45:18
Speaker 3: Dmitri Burstein.
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Speaker 2: Is coming up.
45:23
Speaker 3: Well, welcome back, joining me now to discuss the RBA's
45:26
Speaker 3: decision to keep rates on hold at three point six percent.
45:28
Speaker 3: Is eminence advisories, Dmitri Burstein. Dmitri, take us through this
45:32
Speaker 3: decision by the Central Bank.
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Speaker 21: Well, it was a reflection of the fact that inflation
45:38
Speaker 21: is still lingering. It's a consequence of low unemployment, no productivity,
45:44
Speaker 21: and excessive government spending. The Treasurer has claimed that they've
45:48
Speaker 21: had two surpluses and a small deficit. Yet meanwhile, miraculously,
45:54
Speaker 21: over the term of his tenure, debt government debt has
45:58
Speaker 21: increased by over one hundred bigion dollars. Those two numbers
46:01
Speaker 21: don't reconcile and the reason is that the government is
46:04
Speaker 21: masking a lot of their spending off budget in various
46:08
Speaker 21: schemes and funds.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about this, Jim Chalmers checks and imbalances.
46:13
Speaker 3: It's been revealed today in eight percent spending surge, the
46:16
Speaker 3: first labor deficits since taking office. We've got warnings from
46:19
Speaker 3: the IMF and the OECD.
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Speaker 2: The Treasurer seems to be shrugging it all off, Dimitri.
46:25
Speaker 3: Is this labor government really addicted to spending? I mean,
46:28
Speaker 3: and not to mention as well obviously the electricity subsidies
46:31
Speaker 3: which are petering out, which are having an impact too.
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Speaker 21: Yes, this government is absolutely addicted to spending. But they're
46:38
Speaker 21: not an island. I mean, the previous Liberal Coalition government
46:42
Speaker 21: was just as addicted to spending. I just like to
46:44
Speaker 21: remind you of viewers that it was only eighteen years
46:46
Speaker 21: ago that Australian government debt was effectively zero. It's now
46:51
Speaker 21: a trillion dollars and that's only the Commonwealth. Add another
46:54
Speaker 21: six hundred billion dollars for the states and territories. We're
46:57
Speaker 21: talking about, you know, around sixty dollars for every person
47:01
Speaker 21: in this country of debt. And that's before anybody you know,
47:04
Speaker 21: that's before a mortgage or a car line or a
47:07
Speaker 21: credit card.
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Speaker 3: Demitri, you've written a really great piece in the West
47:11
Speaker 3: Australian which reports that billions and GST top ups for
47:14
Speaker 3: WAA under review right now. You write that while HFE
47:18
Speaker 3: embodies a noble instinct that no states should be left behind,
47:21
Speaker 3: it systematically punishes success and rewards failure. Dimitri, WASGST shar
47:26
Speaker 3: has always been I guess at Archilles Hill that state's
47:28
Speaker 3: always fought for their fair share. But in this case,
47:31
Speaker 3: is WA's special deal actually fair or is it a
47:34
Speaker 3: real rot at the expense of taxpayers in New South
47:36
Speaker 3: Wales and Victoria.
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Speaker 21: Well, it's certainly not a Victorian taxpayers, because Victorian taxpayers,
47:43
Speaker 21: because of the mismanagement of the Victorian government, are a
47:47
Speaker 21: net beneficiary. It's a rout paid for by the taxpayers
47:51
Speaker 21: of New South Wales and Queensland. Primarily. It is one
47:55
Speaker 21: of the many economic time bombs left by the Howard
47:59
Speaker 21: govern the design of the GST distribution scheme, where the
48:05
Speaker 21: principle of horizontal fiscal equalization means that the wealthier states
48:09
Speaker 21: subsidize the poorer states. But the design of the scheme
48:14
Speaker 21: means that it creates a disincentive for positive reform and
48:19
Speaker 21: its incentivized as proplagacy.
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Speaker 19: I mean, have a look at Tasmania.
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Speaker 21: They're an economic basker case, yet they want to spend
48:25
Speaker 21: a billion dollars on a football stadium. Yeah, Victoria is
48:29
Speaker 21: just as bad and the act come on.
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Speaker 3: No, look, you're absolutely spot on, But I know that
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Speaker 3: WA's always wanted a fair share of the GST deal,
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Speaker 3: no matter what happens to the rest of the states
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Speaker 3: across the country, it's been the Achilles heel Dmitri Bursht
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Speaker 3: contribution pro exactly. Thank you for joining me, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for your company. I'll be back again tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Now here's Paul Murray.