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Breaking Down the Big Week 6 Games · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back on a Monday, DJ, Bucky
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  Speaker 1: Rhett back together as we recap some of the week
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  Speaker 1: six action. Buck, How are you doing, man? Have you
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  Speaker 1: got you tamed down the travel a little bit this week?
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  Speaker 1: That's good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we kept it, We kept it domestic, so it
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  Speaker 2: was it was pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Just back and forth to Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: Got a chance to be there in the building when
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars played the Colt so it was good.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that game in a minute. Rhet Other
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  Speaker 1: than Indiana just getting absolutely smashed by Michigan. How is your.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for bringing that up. But yeah, all is
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  Speaker 4: all is good. It's the start of a new season.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we got we got six games and six
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  Speaker 4: chances to win four and go play at thirteenth. So
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  Speaker 4: all is good. On the college front. We're gonna figure
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  Speaker 4: it out. And I got a chance to be in
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  Speaker 4: studio for game day highlights and final as you did
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago there, Ditch and uh and
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  Speaker 4: excited to kind of run through some of these games here.
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  Speaker 4: I think there were some kind of interesting points throughout.
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  Speaker 1: I think we jump right into it here. Again, we
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  Speaker 1: always take the big eight here that we want to
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  Speaker 1: start with, and we'll touch on some of the others
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  Speaker 1: at the end. But I think we start here with
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  Speaker 1: one of these undefeateds going down. We'll get to both
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  Speaker 1: these games here, but if we start with a big one.
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  Speaker 1: The Brown's beating the forty nine Ers. They're at home,
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  Speaker 1: it is a nineteen seventeen game. Obviously, at the end,
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  Speaker 1: brock Perty is able to get a drive, they have
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  Speaker 1: a makeable kick for Jake Moody. He misses it, and
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  Speaker 1: the forty nine ersuf for their first loss of the season,
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  Speaker 1: and they do it at the hands of PJ. Walker.
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  Speaker 1: So no Deshaun Watson. They've got their backup quarterback in there,
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  Speaker 1: PJ Walker. This was not to me anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with the Browns offense or the forty nine Ers defense,
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  Speaker 1: or really even truthfully the forty nine Ers offense. This
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  Speaker 1: was the Browns defense. And this is something that is
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  Speaker 1: not new I put in our chat last night. I
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  Speaker 1: got tweeted out on bluck that they are Shanahan's one
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  Speaker 1: to nine against Jim Schwartz hasn't scored twenty points against them.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to the podcast which we've referenced
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  Speaker 1: numerous times with Jordan rod Rieke where she talked about
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  Speaker 1: Sean McVay trying to hire somebody from the Fangio Tree
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  Speaker 1: because he had struggled against that defense. Well, it's the
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  Speaker 1: same exact thing with Kyle Shanahan. He you know, Chris
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  Speaker 1: Caserk's their defensive line coach. They run that jet front,
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  Speaker 1: that wide nine front. Well, where does Chris Casuric come from.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Casuric is a protege of Jim Washburn. Jim Washburn
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  Speaker 1: was coaching with Jim Schwartz forever. It's the same front,
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  Speaker 1: the exact same front that they run that has given
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan complete fits, no matter where he's been, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what personally has and Buck when I went back
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  Speaker 1: and looked at it, I pulled up the numbers. Fifty
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  Speaker 1: one point six percent in cover one, which was by
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  Speaker 1: far the most cover one any team played this week,
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  Speaker 1: and they get home with four. I mean, he'll sprinkle
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  Speaker 1: in a fifth rusher. J Okay is such a dynamic
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  Speaker 1: player for that Cleveland front. But they it's simple. They're
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  Speaker 1: playing fast and they sped up the clock of brock Purty.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they did.
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  Speaker 2: So let me let me give you a little history
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  Speaker 2: on the Cover one thing and Jim Schwartz. So, Jim
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  Speaker 2: Schwartz is also a Bill Belichick disciple. Bill Belichick and
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban famously have said the best defense in all
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  Speaker 2: of football is a Cover one defense, because what it
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  Speaker 2: does is it gives you the extra defender in the box,
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  Speaker 2: you're matched up, and you take away all the lips
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  Speaker 2: in the passing game, and it basically becomes, my guys
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  Speaker 2: are better than your guys. Everyone knows exactly what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: We're not switching, we're not doing anything. We're playing fast
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  Speaker 2: as you're allude to. And when Schwartz took the job
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  Speaker 2: in Cleveland early on, he said, look, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a Cover one team. We're gonna bring five man pressures
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna let these guys go.
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  Speaker 3: And what you've seen.
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  Speaker 2: From the Browns defensively, man, they played like their hair
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  Speaker 2: is on fire. They play fast, they're physical, and I
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  Speaker 2: think the other part of the game. The Niners have
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  Speaker 2: always prided themselves in being the bully. Well up in
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  Speaker 2: that game. In the pregame, there's a little m h scummers.
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  Speaker 2: The Browns were determined we're going to bully the bullies,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes when the bully gets hit in the face, they.
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  Speaker 3: Don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think in that game, you saw the Browns
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  Speaker 2: take the to the Niners and the Niners didn't respond
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  Speaker 2: in kai.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's it. Huh, the the glass slipper
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  Speaker 4: broke and brock Party is going to go back to
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  Speaker 4: you know, being uh mister East West game.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all over?
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  Speaker 4: Now, come on, I hope that's you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: that's part of the narrative that's floating around on social
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  Speaker 4: media right now, But I don't know that this is
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  Speaker 4: this was all on brock Party. I think you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the end, you got to be pretty happy with
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  Speaker 4: the way that he comes away and leads a drive,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when they absolutely had to have one and
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  Speaker 4: a very makeable field goal opportunity for a very good kicker,
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  Speaker 4: and Jake Moody just so happens, is only two misses
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  Speaker 4: of the season, we're both in this game, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: which is unfortunate obviously for rookie. But look, I think
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  Speaker 4: you know, I've talked to a number of coaches that
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  Speaker 4: have played the Browns now and and a lot of them.
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  Speaker 4: As you mentioned DJ talking about the way that they
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  Speaker 4: use j Oka too and just how difficult that is
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  Speaker 4: to deal with just such a great athlete. And then
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  Speaker 4: obviously you know Miles Garrett, you know Jim Schwartz, a
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  Speaker 4: great defensive coach. We tal talked about this a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I think the forty nine ers are going to be okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they're not gonna have to see the Browns
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  Speaker 4: again unless they both end up making the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 4: which which I guess is good for Kyle Shanahan and company.
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  Speaker 1: But you know is hold up, hold up, hold up?
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  Speaker 1: When I interrupted there, you know who runs that exact
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  Speaker 1: same front team that knocked them out of the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: last year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a fair point. That's a fair point.
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  Speaker 4: And you got to you gotta confront your demons at
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  Speaker 4: some point, right, You got.
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  Speaker 1: To figure out a way to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, is it a different ballgame if Christian
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  Speaker 4: McCaffrey is fully healthy the whole way? Is it a
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  Speaker 4: different ballgame of Deebo Samuel's there the whole way? Trent
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  Speaker 4: Williams was banged up in this game. Those are some
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  Speaker 4: Marquee players, right, some Marque dudes. But that is a
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  Speaker 4: good team. They should be able to to kind of
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  Speaker 4: account for some of that. And I think you know
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  Speaker 4: the way you guys mentioned that, the way that the
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  Speaker 4: Browns are playing defense with that front, and they've got
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  Speaker 4: the corners for cover one right with you know, Newsom
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  Speaker 4: and Ward and Emerson and you know Emerson gets a
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  Speaker 4: pick in this game. It was all working for Cleveland, John,
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  Speaker 4: But but I want to get the Bucky on this though,
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  Speaker 4: real quick. Two things Number one McCaffrey missing time, which
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  Speaker 4: was something we've kind of warned about on here with.
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  Speaker 2: The usage like hey, let's talk about it, talk about
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  Speaker 2: it explosurely.
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  Speaker 3: We're talked about it other weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's time. You pick your spots with him, Man,
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  Speaker 1: pick your spots when you're when you're handling teams. Get
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  Speaker 1: him out of this.
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  Speaker 3: It's so tempting though.
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  Speaker 2: He's so good that you don't want to take him
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  Speaker 2: out DJ like you're running up and down and as
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  Speaker 2: an offensive play call that you're sitting there like, man,
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  Speaker 2: he makes all the x's and o's come to life.
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  Speaker 2: Look at me, I'm the wizard because I have CMC
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  Speaker 2: running around like crazy.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right, you got to protect him against himself.
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  Speaker 1: No, and look in this game, and we talk about pertty,
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  Speaker 1: I mean pretty the numbers aren't aren't great twelve, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five, a touchdown and a pick rhtt
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  Speaker 1: gave him credit on the drive, no question. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing is, Man, I know Shanahan lamented a couple that
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  Speaker 1: they missed, and when I went back and watched it,
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  Speaker 1: I think I know the two that he was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: He had a post h in the first half. He
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  Speaker 1: got it out early, he anticipated, he got it out,
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  Speaker 1: he just missed it. And then they had McCaffrey on
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  Speaker 1: something that you probably spend weeks uh setting up where Buck.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a chance to see
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  Speaker 1: it yet, but it's like he starts chopping his feet,
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  Speaker 1: like he releases to the flat, chops his feet, and
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  Speaker 1: you're I've seen this angle route one hundred times, chops
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  Speaker 1: his feet and then hits a vertical and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: he's gone. It's a touchdown, and pretty overthrew him by
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  Speaker 1: a few yards, missed him would have been a home
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  Speaker 1: run ball. So they had a couple of schemed winners.
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  Speaker 1: In there. They didn't hit that. That's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's not something I would be overly concerned about. But
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  Speaker 1: the other thing is, and this will want to get
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  Speaker 1: to you on buck you and go wherever you want,
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  Speaker 1: but hit on this. I remember this from joint practices.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it with my own eyes when they were
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  Speaker 1: with the Chargers, and I've heard from other people when
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  Speaker 1: they're going up against them, which is you'd be surprised
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  Speaker 1: you get to one on ones with the wide outs
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  Speaker 1: and the DB's they don't win a ton. Like Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Ayuk is the route runner, he is the dude that
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  Speaker 1: can beat man coverage and then obviously with CMC in
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  Speaker 1: the passing game, he can do that. But like Deebo Samuel,
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  Speaker 1: like even George Kittle a little bit at this point
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  Speaker 1: in time, those guys aren't big, big separators against man
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  Speaker 1: coverage like that. That's why I'm wondering if they start
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  Speaker 1: seeing more teams that want to play this front, want
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  Speaker 1: to go nose to nose and and other thing. Watching
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  Speaker 1: the tape so many times when you're watching games, you
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  Speaker 1: watch them on TV, you'll notice this. But you'll see
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  Speaker 1: emotion and you'll see like pointing and yelling and hooting
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  Speaker 1: and hollering, and everybody goes, oh, look at the communication
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  Speaker 1: in the back end. And I always sit there and
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  Speaker 1: watch that. The good teams don't have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: All that stuff's understood. I know, there's no question, there's
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  Speaker 1: no gray area in assignments no matter what they do
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  Speaker 1: shift motion. I don't even know that I need to
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  Speaker 1: communicate that because we are we're simplified. We know what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing, and there's no panic to it, like that
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  Speaker 1: was you said it, Buck. There was no switching off.
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  Speaker 1: It was just I got him, you got him, let's go.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: DJ is one of the things that you learn when
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  Speaker 2: you watch like the Patriots and Alabama football or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: like when you're able to play that you challenge people
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  Speaker 2: in different ways. We've always marveled the way Kyle Shanahan
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  Speaker 2: schemes up the layups where those layups a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times come against zone coverage because the play action brings
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  Speaker 2: the linebackers to the line of scrimmage. There's these huge
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  Speaker 2: vois at intermediate range and those guys run right over
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  Speaker 2: the middle. They sit on over the ball at fifteen
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  Speaker 2: to eighteen yards and we see it over and over
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  Speaker 2: the thing about man coverage, all that is gone, and
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  Speaker 2: it really forces them to use a different passing game
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  Speaker 2: because all the play action stuff doesn't work because I'm
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  Speaker 2: locked in man, so it doesn't matter what you're doing
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  Speaker 2: in the back end. My eyes are on the wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: And so it makes Kyle Shanahan go into more of
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  Speaker 2: a dropback game as opposed to a play action game,
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  Speaker 2: and that impacts the way they block up front. That
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  Speaker 2: also impacts the way that Brock Purdy has to throw
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  Speaker 2: because now the playfake does nothing. Now it's about precision,
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  Speaker 2: pinpoint accuracy and those things. And I do believe whenever
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  Speaker 2: someone knocks off somebody that film circulates around the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the league. Even if you don't have the personnel,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to see more man coverage.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: And two, you can I go to show people that
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  Speaker 2: you can defeat what someone is thrown at you to
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  Speaker 2: give you a loss, They're gonna have to work on it.
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  Speaker 2: So now Kyle Shanahan has to get in his back
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  Speaker 2: and have to come over when man beats to help
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  Speaker 2: this team against future opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man again, I think Ayuk becomes huge for them.
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  Speaker 1: Because if they're going to see that a bunch, the
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  Speaker 1: ball is going to go to him because he's the
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  Speaker 1: one dude who can really really excel in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: All Right. I spent a lot of time on that one.
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  Speaker 1: I probably went a little too long for us, but
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  Speaker 1: it was a fascinating game.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's that's the game that everybody wants to see.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now we'll get to the other one here in
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  Speaker 1: just a minute, but buck, let's get to the one
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  Speaker 1: that you were at here. The Jags a comfortable one
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  Speaker 1: over the Colts thirty seven to twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this is crazy because coming into the game, the
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  Speaker 2: Jags are facing their old quarterback, Garner Minshew. So there
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  Speaker 2: was the revenge tour for Garna Minchew coming back. He
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  Speaker 2: was beloved in the town because of the personality and
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  Speaker 2: those things. But here's what I'll tell you about the
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars, and they're different than I even thought. And
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  Speaker 2: it's funny because when you closely follow a team, you're like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this team is going to win this because of this
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  Speaker 2: offense and Calvin Ridley and this and that, and they
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  Speaker 2: don't win because of that. They're winning right now because
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  Speaker 2: of their defense. Their defense has fifteen takeaways. They have
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  Speaker 2: four takeaways against the Indianapolis Colts. They are a team
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  Speaker 2: that is somehow hunting the football and getting after it.
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  Speaker 2: And we know this because it always works together. The
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  Speaker 2: pressure and the coverage works together. Josh Allen is having
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  Speaker 2: an outstanding year. He has seven sacks, now eight sacks
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. He's getting after quarterback had a strip sack
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  Speaker 2: early that changed the game.
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  Speaker 3: And then the persistent pressure.
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  Speaker 2: That he's able to generate, and they were able to
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  Speaker 2: get pressure up the gut against a smaller quarterback. The
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  Speaker 2: ball fluttered, went high and then they picked it off
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  Speaker 2: Bray Shawn Jenkins, Andre Cisco and those guys. The Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: are winning because of their defense and what they're having
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  Speaker 2: to do. In turn is played complimentary football, which no
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  Speaker 2: one expected. Thirty seven points, only two hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: four yards of total offense, not a great offensive performance,
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  Speaker 2: but because the offense, defense and special teams are working
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  Speaker 2: together able to win games.
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  Speaker 4: Complimentary football. You love to see it. And then from
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  Speaker 4: the Colts perspective, you know, I think throwing it with
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  Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew fifty five times, you know, probably isn't what
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for there, but they couldn't run it. And
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  Speaker 4: credit to the Jaguars. I mean, you know, Taylor and
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  Speaker 4: Zach Moss combined for fifteen carries and forty yards. You
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  Speaker 4: know that's that's not winning football right there. And then
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  Speaker 4: obviously you were down big, you know, pretty quickly with
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  Speaker 4: in the turnovers were an issue. And I'm hoping that
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  Speaker 4: this isn't the case. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: times when you see a backup quarterback, you know, come in,
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  Speaker 4: he plays really well in relief, maybe plays well to
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  Speaker 4: start the next game. But the more exposure you get,
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah, the more issues that start to pop up.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, Gardner career high three interceptions. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be okay and he's going to lead
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  Speaker 4: them to some wins this year. You just got to
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  Speaker 4: take care of the football like he's you know, you
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  Speaker 4: just got to understand above all else with that team,
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  Speaker 4: with the Colts DJ, you have to be able to
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  Speaker 4: take care of the football and stay in football game
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  Speaker 4: so you have a chance to be in a position
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  Speaker 4: to win it.
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  Speaker 1: Late. Yeah, I was just going back through Josh Allen's numbers,
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  Speaker 1: so his rookie year ten and a half sacks, then
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  Speaker 1: two and a half in eight games, and twenty and
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  Speaker 1: twenty one seven and a half, then seven last year.
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  Speaker 1: He's already got seven right now this year, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten and a half has been kind of his mark.
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  Speaker 1: At sixteen games. He's got seven right now through.
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  Speaker 3: Six They haven't paid him yet.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't paid He's gonna get paid. He's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: paid big, He's gonna get paid. But the other thing
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  Speaker 1: is too. I also think, you know, if you take
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  Speaker 1: out that first year that those kind of seven sacks seasons,
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of been in that zone. I firmly believe, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's kind of a light coming on. There's another
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  Speaker 1: level that some of these guys can get to when
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  Speaker 1: you have the traits in the work ethic, which by
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  Speaker 1: all accounts he absolutely does. He's learning, he's figuring this
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  Speaker 1: thing out. You're not even I think everybody thinks, oh either,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe the second year you'll have it all
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  Speaker 1: figured out. Like sometimes it can be really really good
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  Speaker 1: player for the first two, three, four years, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, some other thing clicks from a technique
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  Speaker 1: standpoint or experience standpoint, and there's another level, and that's
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  Speaker 1: clearly what's happened with him, it is happening.
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  Speaker 2: And also the consistency of the coaching right, so you
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  Speaker 2: think about the numerous coaching changes that it had multiple coaches.
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  Speaker 2: Every d line coach brings in a different philosophy of
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  Speaker 2: how to get to the quarterback. And so now you
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: have Brentson Buckler, who's there at Gilbert is also there
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: you have might callwell a decoordinator. Rhett alluded to why
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: the coach had a tough time running the ball. So
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars on early downs, they deploy a five man front,
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: and so what they did and one of the reasons
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: why they wanted Trayvon Walker is they have Trayvon Walker
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: as a stand up in in a five man front
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: with three big bodies on the interior, so as Trademon
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: walk on one side, josh Yll on the other side.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: So on early towns, no double teams, no combo blocks,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you can't. It's man oh man, and they're beating you
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: at the point of attack. And so for all the
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: criticism that Trayvon Walker gets for not putting up the
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: sack numbers, his value is really he's a dominant and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: disruptive run stopper. Now, I would say you typically don't
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: take number one pick.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Overall that, but that's what it is.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: But that five man front allows them to stop to run,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: and they've been really good at get stopping the run,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: and that has made them force teams do be one dimensional.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: And you're seeing the turnovers result from you're having to throw.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It thirty five to forty five times and they're just
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: playing the odds that at some point you don't have
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: an airy pass and a tip and overthrows gon lead
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to an interception.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what's happened, the turnovers in a big way.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: As you mentioned a little bit earlier. Rhtt, I think,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: what do you got? Lions Bucks?
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Lions Bucks. Yeah. And look, I think when you
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: look at this game, you know, for the for the
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: it was a kind of a tale of expectations, right,
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: the Lions living up to high expectations that were placed
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: upon them coming into the season, and then the Bucks
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: I think were exceeding expectations the way that they played,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: the way that Baker had played well for the Bucks.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: That obviously did not happen in this game. They lose
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: twenty to six. I'm gonna take this from the Bucks perspective,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: and I'll get to Lions here just a sec. And
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: you know, just kind of looking through some of the
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: things that popped out to me, the Bucks threw it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: They attempted ten throws from Baker of twenty plus and
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: only completed two of them. Now, look, those are those
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: aren't high percent istro. So I'm not necessarily worried about
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the percentages. And a lot of them were late in
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter and they were trying to make a comeback.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: But the issue is that there were plays to be
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: made there and they weren't. You know, I don't think
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Baker was at his best. He admitted. He said as
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: much after the game. I think, you know, stand up,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: stand up dude for doing that, because I think he
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: could have been a lot better and had this team
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: in a better position. The very first play from scrimmage
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: on offense for the Bucks, they've got Mike Evans for
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: a ninety five yard touchdown and Baker has it tipped
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: at the line by Isaiah Bugs and picked right there,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: and so the Lions that's essentially a ten point swing.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: That's a set that is a no doubter touchdown for
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Mike Evans, so it's seven to nothing. Instead Lions actually
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: only get a field goal out of it, so it
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: ends up being a ten point swing there, and it
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: kind of went downhill and then, you know, what is
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: one of the things that we said about Baker in
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: terms of the way he throws the ball. He's got
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: a he's got a really strong arm, right, but he
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: is all gas from the upper body. You don't see
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: as much from the lower body with him. Went back
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: and looked at at one of those deep throws in
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, they're at the twenty nine yard line
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: going in. He's got a he does a nice job
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: with his eyes. He's got a single single high safety
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: drifts off to the opposite side, opening up maybe a
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: ten yard window for number two on the right side
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: to run a vertical into the end zone. And I mean,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: this is like, it's not an easy throw, but it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: one he absolutely should and could make. He's got a
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: clean pocket and just tries to whip it with the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: arm and it just flutters and hangs up there, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you know, the backside corner is able to come come
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: over close on it and make a play on it,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: which should have been a touchdown. So there's you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: a couple of touchdowns right there, and they end up
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: losing by fourteen points, and you're looking at this thing like,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: you know, all right, the tipball, you know, that's you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: maybe bad luck whatever, but man, they had some they
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: had some opportunities in this game and they didn't get
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: it done. And then for the Lions, you know, Buck,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: this is what this team does. Jamiir Gibbs is already out,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: David Montgomery goes out on a screen pass early in
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the game and can't go, and Craig Reynolds, the third
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: running back, comes in. It maybe makes the play of
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: the game in the block of the week, right on
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: a Monro Saint Brown crossing route, he catches it. You
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: see Reynolds come in. I mean you've seen it now
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: one hundred times probably. You know, Reynolds comes from out
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: of the screen and he's like a bowling ball at
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the end of the lane, knocking down Bucks like like
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: you know, just reckless abandon and a Monro Saint Brown
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: ends up scoring. I just think again. You know, even
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: when they're not at their best, they are a gritty, physical,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: tough team that can be explosive. But when they're not.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: They use that grit and toughness to kind of stay
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: the course and find a way to win.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they stayed a course.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And I'll say this about Jerry Goff to me, has
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: been the most impressive part of it. Like the guy
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: that we've tried to replace in multiple mock drafts in
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: multiple years, continues to kind of be like the franchise
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback that they needed. Yesterday Sunday was a game where
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: they needed him to be at a high level. The
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: guy has a solid game, three hundred and fifty three yards,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: has two touchdowns, aman Ras Saint Brown, you.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Just talked about them, twelve catches two to four yards,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and then Jamison Williams. We had a Jason Williamson side.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That catch was as hard as it can come to
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: look over too.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look great. Great.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But here's what I love and can appreciate about the Lions.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: The Lions have assemblar really really tough team with players
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that are tough and gritty. They've upgraded the talent level
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and the people that they brought in fit what they
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: want to be. Eight and Hutcherson is all day high
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: motor socker. You look at some of the other guys
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that they brought in. Those guys are are high motor, tough,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: grizzled players, and quietly, this team is developing the confidence
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: where they feel like they can go toe to toe.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: When you look at their their wins. They have a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: win against the Kan City Chiefs. There's not going to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: be a team that they fear going forward. And so
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: we may talk about them like a couple of years ago,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: like the Cincinnati Bengals road the magic carpet ride to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. It's not out of the question that
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions are one of those teams that we're
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: talking about kind of finding a way to the final
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: four of the tournament, maybe making it in They.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Still got five games left than in the Division DJ
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in nine division.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot still to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: be decided here inside this division. But I wanted I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: pulled up a couple numbers because I wanted to point
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: them out here. So we talk about golf. Golf had
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a great game this offense. Last year, I averaged twenty
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: seven point five points a game. This year they're averaging
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: twenty eight points a game. So okay, it's that's a
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: huge number that puts them up in the top ten
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of the league. But there's there's just a little little
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: improvement there. This defense last year was given up twenty
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: five point one points a game. This year they're giving
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: up eighteen point eight. They are a touchdown better on
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. That to me is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a story of this Lions team, and that's why they've
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: entered into the elite echelon of the NFL.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And it's not only that DJ like in a league
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that we talked about being a pass happy league.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They're crushing people in the running game.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: They have not given up over one hundred yards in
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: any of the six games. And so what happens You're
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: now playing one dimensional against a team that has a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: pass rusher in Aiden Hutchinson cover guys in terms of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: all the new guys that they brought in, they play
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of man coverage and they challenge you, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like you said, we're finding out there are a lot
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of receivers that cannot win one on one on the outside.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: And by the way, the last time that they didn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: allow a one hundred yard rushing output in six straight games,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: they were called the Portsmouth Spartans.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Nice night, it's been a minute. It's been a minute.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Good nug shout out to the research department.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: On that one.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah done.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: It was the Lions research department.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: To put it out.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: That was great, That was great.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. We come back.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: We'll get to the other big, big game of the weekend.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That was the Jets Eagles game. We'll jump into that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: one right after this. All right, the other undefeated team,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: there were only two, and they both went down in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: games against backup quarterbacks too. If you think about Aaron
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Rodgers being the starter at the beginning of the season
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: for four plays before handing it off to Zach Wilson. Obviously,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: brock Perty we discussed a little bit earlier losing to PJ. Walker,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But in this game, the Eagles they I mean, you could,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we can. We'll get to the Jets and we'll talk
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: about them in just a second. I will say this
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: felt like a stubborn loss for the Eagles, and that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it felt just run the ball. You've got to lead
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: early in this game. Run the ball. Make the Jets,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: who are missing several offensive linemen, make them have to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: travel the length of the field. Your front has been dominant,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You're just getting after the quarterback like crazy in this game. Instead, Man,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it was the turnovers, one after another after another, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: then at the very end, Buck, I mean that one
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: where you could run the ball, choose some clock and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: finish the game punt, make them have to drive. Instead,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you throw a pick. Are you kidding me? It felt
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like a stubborn approach on the Eagle side of the things.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's been like that all year for
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the Eagles. I feel like the Eagles are trying to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: prove that there's something that they're not. And sometimes that
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: happens when you pay the quarterback. There's a feeling of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: we need to justify There needs to be a justification
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for why we paid him, or we need to validate
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: why he's two hundred and fifty two into the whole
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: whatever that is. This team can run on anybody. They
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: proven that they can run on everybody. They could run.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why the cuteness comes into it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: They take to me unnecessary gambles, They go for it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: on fourth down when they don't need to.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I just can't understand why.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And I heard Nick Sirianni after the game, so he
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: didn't have to say anything to the team. The player
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: stood up and talked about accountability and all those things.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And I get that the players need to.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Be accountable, but coach need to be accountable too. Man,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: just get to win. It doesn't matter what it looks like.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Just get to win.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, from what you saw,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: was it a couldn't run it or wouldn't run it situation?
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Because look, the Jets defense is pretty stout now with
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Quinn Williams up there.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: CJ.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Moseley had a terrific at Quincy Williams two. They were
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: all over the football in this one. So would you
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: say it was more just they they didn't or they
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: really couldn't.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: No, I think it was a choice. I mean, I'll
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: pull up the numbers here. But I watched the game,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: went back and watched it on tape. They had some
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they had some pops that they could run it a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: little bit. They just they just got away from it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And that one, I don't care if you get stuffed
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. If you get stuffed the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and have the punt, you still run
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that ball on that particular down. So, uh, you know. Look,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: they they they averaged three point six yards of carry, so,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of that's coming with with
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurtz, who was their most successful runner.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, its scrimswift.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Swift didn't do anything. But I mean that's that's the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: whole point. If you've got Jalen Hurts, who you're given
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: eight carries too, I mean, he's proven he can kind
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of be that eight to twelve carry guy. At the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: end of the game, you're running quarterback power whatever you
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: have to do at that point in time to chew
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the clock and try and finish the game off. But
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they didn't do it. Now, I want to jump over
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to the Jets side because I want to spend too
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: much time with the Eagles, because this was completely about
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the Jets and their defense and what they were able
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to do. I wanted to pull up this number here.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Let's see, Okay, pressure percentage, right, this is which is
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a great number. We can talk about sacks and that's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, that's great, but how much pressure are you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: applying to the quarterback? Listen to these names here, who
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are I'll work from five up to one in pressure percentage.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: This is a minimum hundred snaps okay through PFF on
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: pressure percentage. Number five is Max Crosby. You think we
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: would all agree he's an elite player. Number four is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, who's been a disruptor, disruptive guy in this
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: league who's been paid. Number three is his teammate, Michah
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Parsons and those numbers. Michah Parsons is at twenty three
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: or where is it here? No, Michaeh Parsons is at
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: twenty one point one percent. Number two is Miles Garrett.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: All right, so where are the odds on this list?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: These are all elite guys. Miles Garrett widely considered the best.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: If not him, then Parsons. Those are two and three
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: at twenty one point one and twenty two point two.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Bryce Huff is number one in the league in pressure
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: percentage and he's at twenty eight point nine percent. He's say,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me? He's over six percent above Miles
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Garrett eight and Micah Parsons Like that is insane.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you what's his what's his sample size
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: on that compared to the other guys.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll pull it up right now.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: So this only because I'm just saying, like, you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: he's got probably got the ability to be pretty fresh
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: with the way that they can run.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So he's rushed, He's rushed one hundred and fourteen times. Yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett has rushed one hundred and thirty five times.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: That Parsons has rushed one hundred and forty two, Lawrence
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: one hundred and two. Uh, you know, so he's you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: know Max Crosby's he's rushed two hundred and twenty one snatchez.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, he's the one who's every snack. He's
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: playing a ton, so you could probably give him a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: little benefit that his should be even higher. I mean
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that when you look at the percentag there's no doubt
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that he is a little bit lower because he's rushed
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so much, But he's not that far off, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: from those other guys in terms of attempts and buck
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It just shows you too, there's always going to be
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a premium on fastballs, like he's got a little bit
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: of power to him, but making no mistake, he is
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: winning with speed and agility off the edge.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: It's beIN agility, like that's the one thing you don't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: have to have a lot of different pitches in your bag.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You just have to have one that is dominant and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that speed kills because what it does is changes everything.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It changes how the person has to set and you
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: have to kick, then you set up other things. It's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: just so much that you can do. It's funny in
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a league where we just talk about coveting pass rushers
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and passers and those things. Ye after year, it's the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: elite guys, the guys with elite witness, and I think
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there's something to be learned from that when it comes
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to when we get to the spring and we're looking
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: at these guys, there's certain traits that translate the sac
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: production and we just got to continue to identify him
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and talk about it over and over and over again.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Kind of like I said, blinking light at the stops
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: on and.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to flip over again. Dominant
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: from the from the Jets defense, taking the ball away,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: rushing the pass, or they were all over the field.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Quincy Williams is going to be, if not a for
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: sure a pro bowler, he might be an all pro
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the way he's playing. He's been awesome at the second
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: level of the defense. Offensively, you know there's there's growth
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: right with with Zach Wilson. I think we from what
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: we've all seen, we've all seen him getting better. Now
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: does that mean he's playing great? No, there's still there's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: still when I watch the tape, he's still missing some things.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He's not seeing everything clearly. But I'll tell you what
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: he's he's learned from the point of the difference between
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a taking a bad sack and turn and making a
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: bad turnover is immense. You can say, okay, those are
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: both negatives in the grade book, but buck Man, there
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: is when you get a chance to maintain possession and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: kick threes. In this league right now, there's so much parody.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: We've only got three teams with the losing record in
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the AFC, And I was talking to something about this morning. Man,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: if you kick field punt, don't turn the ball over,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna be five hundred or above in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: this league because people are gonna lose games. They're gonna lose.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Them, man.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Marty Seanham used to stand in front of the team
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and say this all the time. More games are lost
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: than one. Guys, if you can just figure out how
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: not to give the game away to the other team,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: they'll just find a way to give it to you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So if you don't turn it over, you don't allow
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: big plays, big passes, the flow over your head, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: don't have dumb and stupid penalties. And if you win
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the kicking game, you are going to be in a
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: lot of games, and ultimately you will win a lot
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: of those games. And to me, coming from a coach
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: that won two hundred regular season games, every time I
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: look at the league, particularly now, the way the parody
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: has made it where every game is an eight point
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: or fewer game, he just.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Don't mess it up.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: If you don't mess it up, you're going to win
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: four more games than you lose.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: He's got one pick in his last four games. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: and we can say he's still missing some things. Like
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I said, there's some he left some things out there.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But I do think what this has done is he's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he needed to play, He needs get experienced, he needs
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to see things, he needs to learn from things. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the problem is when you turn the ball over as
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: much as he had been, he's in and out of
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the lineup. You can't play him. So now it's like, okay, hey,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: we can deal with hey on that sack A you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: know if we can get that ball, throw it away.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Those are lessons we can learn. But if you're frazzled
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and throwing red zone interceptions and costing us points repeatedly,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like I can't keep putting you out there for you
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to learn this stuff.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I'll say this, Aaron Rodgers coming over was worth his
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: wait and go, not only in just his four plays
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that he played before he got hurt, but what he's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: been able to do with Zach Wilson, He's been the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: best quarterback coach that he could ever have because every
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: day he got a chance to not unless see Aaron
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Rodgers prepare. But we know that Aaron Rodgers was a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: low turnover guy. He's a winning quarterback. So all of that,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: all of those like whispers in his ear, take care
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: of the ball.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: This is when you throw It's made him a better
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: quick look.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: He may never live up to a play up to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: what he was the second pick overall, but he certainly
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: can be a functional starter for a team that is
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: loaded on defense. And I think he's done enough now
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: that if you're the Gets, you're like, no, no, we
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: can keep Zack Wilson. We can keep Zack Wilson and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: find a path for him to be the starting quarterback
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: going forward. To me, it's been a win win situation
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: for the Jets and the fact that they're sitting at
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: with three and three or whatever.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Three and three not the bye. Yeah, another thing out,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Oh real quick, Rett, I was gonna get you on
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this real quick. The other thing that stood out to me, Man,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: they're he said, remember when he got hurt, when Rogers
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: got hurt, and we said, oh, okay, thirteen personnel, Like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that's their answer here because you can run the ball
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: out of that. It's going to give you simplified looks.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get one on ones with Garrett Wilson. They
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: really don't. I mean, Lazard dropped the ball, he had
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a big penalty. I'm not a huge Lazard fan, like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he's okay, Randall Cobb just I mean, those are Aaron
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Rodgers type players. But they've got one true receiver. I mean,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: they missed Corey Davis with him retiring. But thirteen personnel
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is the answer to a lot of these problems. And
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this is the game where they busted that out more.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And then when you're not in thirteen getting empty, just
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: getting empty, and let's let him get the ball out
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of his hand quick. And that was something I saw
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in this game. And I'm sitting here watching this going
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you know, geez, like that's just just just use the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: tight ends. And Rutger to me, is the one who
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I think has got a chance to be somebody that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a real big part of this thing. And he's better.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: He's more talented than those other two. I like Conklin
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Uzama's kind of more of an inline guy. Rutgert's got
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a chance to be really good. I think his role
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: should increases the season goes along.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing up my nightmare from this weekend.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Michigan lived in thirteen personnel all day long. I gottall, Hey,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: how about Aaron Rodgers. I mean they're talking about him
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: coming back to the last quarter.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Of the season, modern modern, modern medicine.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So seeing him pre game throwing the ball around, what
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: what are you doing?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You can't watch that and tell me he's not coming
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: back this year. He's coming back a hundred percent. Do
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you remember? Yes, I got to look it up, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: uh do you remember when? Uh? When? What's his name? Why?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Cam Akers? When he came back in like six months though,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is that what it was? Six months, which was still
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: which was which was crazy fact incredible. Yeah, And I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: remember thinking that. I remember thinking like, he's gonna be hobbled,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and and I was like he looked as as explosive
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: as I'd ever seen him when he came back from that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I just think that with medically, they have got ways
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to do this.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So now I'm saying, I'm saying, like four months to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: put him at the end of December January, like if
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: they can kind of hold on.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean, he's not gonna have to wear and
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: tear on his body of the part we're talking about
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: running back like he doesn't need I mean, he just
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: needs to sit back in a rocking chair and pitch
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the ball around sitting there.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: When Dan Marino came back, he just said the shotgun
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: didn't move. I mean, he can be a statue and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: just it changed the running game. But just having him
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: around gives them hope. I think his presence gives everything,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: just gives them hope to if we can just hey,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: we just get to December kind of close and you
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: can take us over the top.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I feel like that feeling gives them a little something.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even if he didn't end up coming back, just like, hey,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he's going. If they believe he's coming back, it's worthing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: All right, Buck, What do you got for the next one? Here?
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Bengals knocking off the Seattle Seahawks. This is
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a game where they had no business winning based on
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: what they did offensively. They couldn't really move the ball consistently.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: They didn't get anything done. Zach Taylor talked about, Hey,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's just better to win ugly than to lose pretty,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and that's what is happening.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Their defense stepped up four sacks, had a.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Couple takeaways, had two critical fourth down stops inside the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: ten in the last two minutes. Like the Bengals defense,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: lou and Roumo doesn't get enough credit for what he's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: been able to do. Early in the year they were struggling,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: but I think people forgot about the departures that they
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: had in the secondary. Jesse Bates von Belle didn't love
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Eli Apple.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: But he was another.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So three fourths of your secondary is gone right away,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and so bringing in those young players, they're beginning to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: play better. And then we know upfront, man, they just
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: got all those energy as a bunny's just getting after it,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: hustling and making things happen.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: They're in the mix.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how good this team is, but I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: know they're just kind of giving themselves a chance until
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and dead offense can figure it out.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And you know what I'll say is, you know, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: think we've all kind of been caught up in the
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow calf situation. And you know, man, if he
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: could just you know, we talked about it here, can
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: he just can they hold on right till the bye
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: week crucial stretch here? Now they're three and three, which
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: is great, But you know, the one thing that's kind
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: of flown under the radar here is this is the
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: last ranked rushing offense in football, dead last. They don't
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: run it a lot, They're they're way down there in attempts.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: And when they do run it, I mean they're way
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: under four yards to carry right now, which you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: you look at as kind of like the Mendoza line
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: for success, right you want to try to stay on
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: schedule with the run game average about four yards to pop.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: They're way down there. Joe Mixon, you know, has been
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: relatively irrelevant for much of this season. And you know
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: what the biggest thing that stuck out to me is,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you know, just look at and how PFF looked at
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the offensive lineman and Orlando Brown is by far their
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: lowest graded offensive lineman in the run game. And don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: we kind of agree that that's that's kind of where
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: he excels.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of supposed to be it's supposed to be
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the good side.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he is by far been their worst in
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: the run game. And you know, Alex Kappa is kind
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: of right there with him, which again, you look at
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Kappa is like, that's that's a dude who can kind
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: of mash in the run game. And they're not getting
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: that right now. So I don't know if it's if
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: it's commitment or if they're not committed to it because
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: they know that they're not good at it right now,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: one of the two. But there they are putting a
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: lot of pressure on that pass game.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I looked up our get off numbers, which we do
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: each and every week on here, because I was curious
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: where Trey Hendrickson is. Trey Hendrickson, of all the edge
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: rusher's minimum one hundred snaps number one get off as
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Number two is Josh Sweat. Number three is
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson Jrixy get and and that's another one where
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Buck I feel like, you know, we again we talk
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: about and by the way, right behind him is Darryl Taylor,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Bryce Huff, Nick Bosa, Hassan Reddick. So it's good,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: its stat's good, it matters, but I feel like it's dude,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: there's just he knows how to rush man like they're
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: when you combine if that's the whole thing, Like if
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you can combine polish with the get off, like forget it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Like that's why he's and he doesn't. I feel like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: he still doesn't get mentioned like with those other guys.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Free agent signings on the defensive side of the ball
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: in the last ten years. You know how many people
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: thought that Saints that season he had with the Saints
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: was a flash in the pan.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: That's that's the thing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: There's like a three and a half, a three plus
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: year sample size of his dominance off the edge, just
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: one thing to be a one year one. It's another
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: thing to do it with the Saints, and then everyone's like, ah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: we benefited from being opposite or beside camp Jordan, and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: then he goes to Cincinnati first year, bang, second year,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: whoa third year We're still talking about it. At some
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: point you have to give him credit. And you talked
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: about like the get off and the skill. I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: it's underestimated the competitive stamina that you need to have,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: the relentlessness because there's one thing, Oh I'm gonna try
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and get here. I don't get home, I'm gonna stop
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: on the play. But it's another thing to be an
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: all day sucker where you're just going and going and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going energy in Africa that you fall into two or
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: three sacks a year. He has that ability, plus what
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you talked about, the physical skills and in the Polish
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to do it. He's been Look, he's been a huge
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: addition to their their defense and without him, I can't
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: even imagine what their defense will little like man, No.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: He's getting by the way, look what's the what's their schedule?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Real quick? By the way, Rhett coming out of it,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: they got their buy. I think it's brutal coming out
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: for the Saints. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, sorry.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: For the Bengals, they've got their buy. I know Buffalo,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I believe it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: They got San Francisco Buffalo, an upstart Houston team, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Baltimore Pittsburgh.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they gotta be they better get rested up.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: They fought their way to five hundred, which it feels
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like the whole AFC is in the same boat. So
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it feels like you just got to hang around here,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like if you can get to if you're seven and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like seven and seven, we're gonna have a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of teams at like seven and seven, six and seven,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you know, eight and six, Like it's gonna come down
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to the end there. You just got to stay in
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the pack. You can't fall behind. You gotta at least
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: hove around that five hundred and navigate through the difficult
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: part of your schedule.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting to see Like this division though, with Baltimore
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and Cleveland and Cincinnati and even Pittsburgh. It's gonna be
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: really interesting to see how this plays out. Really competitive division. Everyone,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: No one's playing great, but no bad team in the mix.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not a bad team.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I'll get us to Commander's Falcons here, guys. As we
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: get to a couple more games here and look, you
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: know this is man the faces of Arthur Smith. If
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: you if you've ever seen a facial expression spell frustration,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: just go back and look at at what Arthur Smith
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: was given to you on the sidelines here watching Desmond Ridder,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: particularly in the second half, and this is this is
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: the game again, Like you look at the box score
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: in this thing, and you're like, how in the world
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: did the Falcons lose? They had thirteen more first downs,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: they ran thirty more plays than the Commanders, They outgained
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: them by two hundred yards. The Atlanta defense kept the
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Commanders under two hundred total yards and Atlanta was still
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: trailing by two touchdowns to start the fourth quarter. Well,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: turn it over on downs twice and you throw three
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: picks on the second half and they can start to
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: fall apart pretty quickly. So I think with Desmond Rider
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: of what we've come to the conclusion is he is
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: not yet nearly to the point where you can count
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: on clean games from him consistently. You know, he had
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: a good game last week and we're praising him for it,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: and then comes back and it's you know, it's a stinker,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: particularly in the second half. You know, the first interception,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: he throws three picks in this game. First interception quick
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: game absolutely telegraphs that you can see Kendall Fuller reading
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: his eyes the whole way breaks on the ball, picks
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: that thing off. Second is the worst. The you're on
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: the two yard line with a third and goal and
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: it's a delay of game and obviously, you know, we
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: don't know what's going on in the headset.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Is it on him?
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: It's the play not come in clear or on time,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: you know, don't know that. But you back up to
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a third and seven and he lets a fade away
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: off his back foot under pressure, fly up into the
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: end zone. Like it's like a you know, hail Mary
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: at the end of the game, and like you could
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: just sit there and play and kick a field goal
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: and move on, get some points. And it's picked, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: an easy interception. This third one I was kind of
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: curious about. I don't know if you guys had a
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: chance to watch this. This is at the very end.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: They had a bunch of chances here in this game.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: They motioned Bjon Robinson out of the backfield. They get
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: a nice matchup, right, you get a linebacker to come
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: out with him in a one on one situation man coverage,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: but it's jam and Davis, all right, what does jam
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and Davis have in spades? Athleticism and speed. He's got
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: really good coverage on Vijon, but on a third down
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: where you gotta have it at the end of the game.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: How often are you going to call how often is
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: it going to be a half field read? How often
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: is the other half of the field going to be
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: basically dead? And I'm not sure that it was in design,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: but Kyle Pitts just jogs off the line as the
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: slot player on the other side, and there's nowhere else
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: for Ridder to go and he throws a bad ball.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: You know it's behind Bijah. That whole sequence was kind
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: of weird to me.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to phrase this properly because when I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: watched this game, I've seen Ridder play well yeah before
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we saw it just previously in that game. I don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: think he's very talented. That makes any sense at all.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But there's a throw in this there's a throw in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: this game. Buck. It was an inbreaker. I can't remember
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: if it was a dig or a skinny poster what
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it was, but I'm watching it going the ball is
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: never going to get there, like not getting there like
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: he's got it. Just the ball has no life whatsoever
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: on the football. And I'm like, man, I just don't
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: know how physically talented he is. I think he's smart,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think he's tough. I think he's a great teammate,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: he's a leader. I think he's gonna he's gonna have
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: some games where he plays well. I just don't know
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: like what the high end, like what the ceiling is
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: on this thing. It feels low to me.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, difference between good to great is a mess. And
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: we're not even talking about.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Almost who's backup right, and and you're limited?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see Arthur Smith's faces like that, you're
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just the exasperation because what man, it's like two games
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: that they dropped where they probably could have if they
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: had just a little more, a little more at quarterback,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: they could do it. So it puts them in a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: bad situation because you're looking at cal Pitts, you're looking
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: at John neu Smith and Drake London by the way,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you know John Robinson, and you're just looking at this
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: team and you just it just makes you wonder, right,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this, and who says that they
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: want to pay this, But what would Kirk Cousins do
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Would they be better with a Kirk Cousins.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: That's my Kirk, that's my landing spot. That's the perfect
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: spot for him.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: You know, like like like, what what would they do
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: with with with a veteran quarterback who has some pulse
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: on the wall. It doesn't have to be like the best,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: but man, just a good to very good quarterback in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that situation where he can run the football. Because they
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: can run it and that defense is playing pretty well,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you just wonder, man are they are they missing out
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: on a twenty three twenty twenty three season they could
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: have playoff appearance, you know, a division title because they're
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: just not good enough at quarterback.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. I'll go to RHTT
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and Bucky. You can follow it up like if I
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: told you tomorrow you had to go win a game,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and I told you you could have Ritter or Josh Dobbs,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: who would you take.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I'll take Josh Dobbs.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Bucky didn't even hesitate red at least hesitate Bucks has
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: fired that thing out in two seconds. Yeah, My point
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: was going to be that I thought you guys would
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: at least have to think about it, which clearly Rhett
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: has had to think of rhtt at Buck's like, na, yeah,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I'll take Dobbs. Yeah. But which which further is my point,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: which is just I just don't know how good he is.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean what this is team six for
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs, right and he's actually probably playing his best
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: football of his career right now. Ye and I don't
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: even know, you know, just Rid or Ha even have
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the mobility that Josh Dobbs has, no, which.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Is he doesn't use he doesn't use it. If he does,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Dobs will use it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing too. I don't feel like
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: he's utilizing all of his all his superpowers. Yeah, like
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: he's in the pocket, but he's not running. He's not
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: giving me the added element. At some point he has
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to give you something beyond just being the drop back passer.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's good on that one. Let's yea.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But we gotta we gotta go. We gotta crank through
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: these last two here because we've spent I think, and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: like you guys said, rightfully so on some of those
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: bigger games spin a little longer. Raiders Patriots, This game
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: was tough on the eyes. Went back and was watching it.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: It was painful to watch. It's just not a lot
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: of excitement with either one of these franchises. Somehow, the Raiders, though,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: find themselves at five hundred twenty one seventeen. The Raiders
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: get this one done. To me, it was it was
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: really about two rookies that I wanted to go back
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and look at. When I looked at the box score,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I was glad to see Michael Mayer finally get involved.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Five for seventy five. Hit him in the flat, use
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: him on a check down, hit a shell across, gave
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you some run after catch.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You know who that's good for.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I know it's good for you.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: You win the tight end day.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, did you did you have did you have him?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Mayor?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He had Mayor? Nice? That was a good move. That
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: was a good move. He gave me some run after catch.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And then the other rookie was Trey Tucker, the rookie
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: hat of Cincinnati, who could fly. He was undersize, a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: little underd five to nine, one hundred and eighty two pounds,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: ran four four flat plays faster than that and hit
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a big play. He had two for fifty seven, they
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: hit him on a slot vertical again. I you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: there's kind of that shich. Guys, were you excited to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: watch Patriots?
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Man, I'll be honest, I was focusing more on the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Raiders side of things when I watched the video, because
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: it's nothing to get me excited about the Patriots right now.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Just I've talked, I feel like we've kind of said
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: been there, done that, sec there's nothing's until something changes.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even know that we're using our time wisely
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to talk about him.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: He did, and then he kind of messed it up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I was hoping for I tellted it as maybe he
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: can be uh Bill Belichicks, Lamar Jackson come in and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: just save today. They run a different offense and do
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not so much, not yet, not.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yet, that's enough.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: But Max Crosby's a closer dude, absolutely, I mean just
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: a freak. Nobody plays that hard for that long, every
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: snap in that well, for every snap like.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That, with the with the attention of every team that
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: they play focused on him, every single team, and he
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: still does it all right, Buck last one here Ravens
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Titans Baltimore wins that one in London twenty four to sixteen.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they wanted.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: They were able to get Jay Flowers in the end
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: zone for the first time. But with the Ravens, look,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Like they talk all off.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Season about their offense, We're gonna do this and throw
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: it all over and then they end up having to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: win because their defense kind of dominates today. And it
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: was a I would say, a team on offense playing
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: with one arm behind their back. Ryan Tannehill isn't good enough,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Malik Willis isn't ready. They have one punch and that's
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. He has to do everything, even though he
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: took a wildcat thing like down the sidelline, which is
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: crazy to me that you know, hey, he's in the backfield,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: there's no quarterback, he's getting it running.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It still goes around the Cornerbard's up. There's one thing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: But the Ravens are still sitting here there the top
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: of the division there there.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: It certainly isn't how we thought it would look when
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: they made this big deal about the offense, but they're
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: good enough to.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Win games and their defense continues to show up.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's where we at with the Titans right now, right,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Will Levis, That's where we're at.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Let's just let's just go just throw them out there
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and see what happens.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: What I mean, unfortunately, you know that opens maybe that
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: opens up the window here for one of the young quarterbacks.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it's you got to at some point,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: you got to know that this ship is sailed with
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: the way that that team was constructed with Tannehill.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Right I I to me this and the offensive line
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: is not good. Yeah, they're terrible. So you I mean,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it was a matter of time before Tannehill was going
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to get nicked and then he gets hurt. We saw
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: milink it out there. She's just holding the ball forever.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, I just thought the skill
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: wise that Levis was further advanced, and you know, coming
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: through the draft process then Malik was coming through his
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: draft process. I just would like to see what you
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: have there. I would throw Will Levis out there. This
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is a guy we were talking about, and I know
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: he has his faults and it's not all perfect, but
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: this is a guy who had like he had top
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: five type ability. Now none of us, none of the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: three of us, had him all the way up there
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: in terms of where we ranked him, but we ranked
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: him as a first round player. Like, get him out there,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: let him play, see what he can do.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean give you some juice.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: A team with something, right, yeah, it is something.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Any something, because I mean I just don't know where
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: they go, Like they're just kind of like a hum franchise.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is great, but they don't have anything around him.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And let's be honest, even on the out side, like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: signing NW Hopkins, Trylan Burk, Like they're just a very
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: slow team. They're a slow team, and it's just so
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: hard to win in this league when you look at
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins running up and down the field and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: this team is unable to do it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: No, speaking of those, I still don't I was there
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: for the game. I called the for the charge. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: don't know how the Chargers lost that Tennessee Titans team,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and I still don't know how they lost to them.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: That was bad loss. But I am, uh, I've got
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to run because I've gotten it up to uh to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: where Bucky is right now. So far you're you're at
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: home right right, I see your beautiful background there. I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: am get up there and call this Cowboys charge a game,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: which we can talk about a little bit tomorrow. Anything
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you guys want to add before we jump out of here.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, the last thing I'll say.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: C J.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Stroud went one hundred and ninety one pass attempts without
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: an interception, and not on his one hundred and ninety
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: second he forced one in Adult and Schultz. But boy,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: his boy, Nico Collins forced the fumble and the didn't
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: hurt him and they got right back.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Happened, no problem. Uh what were gonna say?
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I didn't know, No, no, I didn't know.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: If you guys have been paying attention to college football,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: but guitar hills a Nana top ten, I don't like.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I was told we're inching towards. We're now inching towards.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: You know. Help me, help me with this one, Help
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: me with this one.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I was told.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I was told if your team loses on a Tuesday
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: night that it doesn't doesn't count. Right? Is that true?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm traveling and you know, going out
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: there at Dallas. I'll be going out to Dallas for
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: my daughter's wedding. Like you know, check into the hotel
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I guess I'll see if
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: there's some Seinfeld reruns on or something.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crap, is this is a real game
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: right now? We're playing on Tuesday night football. Here we go,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina. Got us. I'm not a fan of the
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night football. I'm sorry. I gotta say it. Whatever,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: neither here nor there. All right, let's get out of here, guys.
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