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Episode 42 Survivor Series 2023 Review!!! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  On this day, twenty five November, two sides converge upon the city to
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  play a game, but not just any game, A game of strategy and
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  skills, of temperance and cunning, primitive brutality, the syndicated clever. So
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  gather the masses now. But without these games, there is no twohig generals
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  gathered in their masses, just like which that black massive day of judgment.
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  God is calling it on the knees, the wall pigs crawling him. So
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  I are still cards for the judgment? What are my caides? One of
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  my games? This is the it's the message. It's clear oh lo job
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  in the time to peril. Charge name together and let the wrong game begin.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, children of all ages, Welcome to another episode of
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  pc W podcast Championship Wrestling During Things a little different because this is a reinvention
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  of the podcast. This is the second coming, the two point zero of
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  pc W. We got so much news, new music, new sound bites,
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  new everything. But you know what, why don't I bring in my
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  co host and let's get this party started. First on the commentary to new
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  beats Man, m Yeah Man, We on our pc L two point oh
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  what do pc W crew? So you know new two point Oh we're in
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  our rainbow phase now every time for a efeyt time for a new thing,
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  the n XT rainbow phase, the phase I tried to forget about. Will
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  be better than that. You know, we'll be better. Uh yeah,
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  let's bring him out here we go. You don't even know me? H
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  yeah, you don't even know how you even know me? Yeah, you
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  know sixty bus called sixty Chisty's bulls bitch we start. I fucked that city.
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  You won't have like friends, don't got a little sum but not like
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  that sim trumbles want except blackestorable Doyle. Oh it's me. It's me.
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  It's a d y l and uh coming you live from South Philly where it's
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  suddenly winter. Dude, it's snowed this morning. I I'm at work and
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  I start work at five in the morning, so it's dark as ship still
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  here. And yeah, I was snowing. I was like in the office
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  and my toe, my toe owner, it was like covered in snow.
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  And I was like, well, this is unexpected. But this is the
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  time of the year, man, this is Survivor series, this is the
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  holidays, Thanksgivings, so a little bit of snow, that's that's kind of
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  normal here in Pennsylvania. Yeah, it's not a little hit too. It
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  didn't didn't accumulate, but I think it broke a Philly record for the longest
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  time between an inch of snow. Yeah, I think almost as long as
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  Gunther is uh undefeated streak. I think it was like six hundred something days.
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  I don't remember the exact number, but yeah, it's winter. All
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  of a sudden, I wore I feel like I was wearing shorts two weeks
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  ago. Yeah, it was surprisingly cold even down here Virginia when I left
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  the house this morning. Yeah. Oh man, well let me start.
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  I got some news. I want to start off here the reason why we
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  missed the last episode, and I got a little bumper for that. I
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  can't believe I've never thought of using that bumper before. The bad news is
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  is my computer decided to take a shit on me and explode in my office.
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  And through trial and error and through trips to Best Buy and money spent
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  and sweat and tears and downloading and uploading and updating and reinventing, I lost
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  everything. Everything Every episode we have those is still on Spreaker. It's still
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  on our website, still on my YouTube channel, so don't worry. Every
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  episode is still there. But since I've lost everything, I had a discussion
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  with the guys and we kind of decided this is a great time to reinvent
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  and redo the theme music, redo the rolling credits theme. You know,
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  I know sometimes during intermissions, I had an intermission theme. Well, I
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  kind of have an idea of what I want to do now. Sometimes I
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  like to pump in promos during intermission. Well, I was kind of thinking
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  about it the other day. Either I can continue pumping in promos for intermissions
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  or I've been seeing a lot of classic WWF and WWE commercials if you guys
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  remember like the slim Gym commercials. There was there was also like Chef boyer
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  D commercials and stuff, and I was just like laughing at the idea of
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  just taking sound bites from those old classic commercials and just putting them in the
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  intermission just to what they said. It's like it's the perfect dinner for all
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  mankind or something. Yeah, you remember you remember Andre the Giant in the
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  Honeycomb's commercial. Uh, And I think it was even pre Princess Bride because
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  they dubbed his voice and it's so weird to see big old out of the
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  Giant going hi kids of like kid. Yeah. So if you guys have
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  any you know, people listening to the show, if you have any like
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  classic commercials like that, and you want me to put it on the show,
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  like, let me know, like and I'll save it. And what
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  I'll do is I like to rotate them too for after a while, like
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  maybe you know, I'll play it like two three times a year, who
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  knows. But if you have some, let me know. I'll make a
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  list and and I'll go date for some old ancient wrestling commercials. But I'm
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  gonna I'm gonna say they have to be like we're gonna say w w F
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  WMS because if we go like current, I don't want to hear somebody send
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  me in like the Rock for his new uh what's that new commercial he's doing
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  that the Oak debit card commercial. I don't. I don't want people sending
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  me that hn John Cena voices the Honda commercials, I think. I don't.
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  I don't want to see that ship. Don't be sending me that ship.
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  Okay, you know exactly who the fuck you are. Don't be sending
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  me that ship. Send me some good quality commercials, okay. And yeah,
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  and I know right away the first one off the bat is probably going
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  to be the slim Gym commercial. Which did you guys see the new one
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  with l A. Knight and who else was in it besides Macha Man.
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  They had Somebody Survivor series. That was the Ruffles commercial. It was also
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  a slim Gym's commercial. Yeah, yeah, that's right, but they I
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  guess now, you know l A. Knight's got that one catchphrase, slim
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  jam commercial money, you know, good for him. So yeah, yeah,
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  they still have Macha Man in it. So I'm still I'm still happy.
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  You know, you're not overshadowing Man in the classics, you know,
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  those Macho Man was those were basically crossovers like that introduced Mocheo Man to an
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  audience that would not have known him if it wasn't for those commercials. Like
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  there are some people who probably don't know nothing about Mocheo Man as a wrestler,
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  but they remember Macho Man slim Gym commercials. Everybody knows to step in
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  to a slim Gym ooh yeah, everybody that was a huge part of when
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  he jumped from WWF to w c W, the slim gym money went with
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  him. Yeah, and that was a big, big point of contention at
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  the time. Did you think at like one point he maybe had like a
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  garage full of like slim gyms and he was just giving them away as gifts
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  during the holidays and people were like Randy, like, I don't want any
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  more slim gyms, thank you, though, but I still have three more
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  boxes. Well, we certainly know that Cody Road does not have that.
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  If you saw him at the press conference trying to open a package of slim
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  chins, he had no idea how to do it. Obviously doesn't eat that
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  crap. He was like, he had no idea how to open it.
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  So that said, you know, with with that's what I would like to
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  do with some intermissions, I'm going to play you guys the brand new interesting
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  and here we go. The question is, oh, you let me talk
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  to her. I would give you a show like you have never covered fort
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  a Why because I can't. What do you guys want to talk about?
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  Deep and the colored red in the world with a black and white at the
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  Eats of Worlds. Yeah, that's got some luck. There's nothing excused the
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  chap. What's that biga bad? You gotta biga bad? And I said,
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  whoa right in here? You know, stuck back the red, put
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  back the one back down a h there you go, noise. Very well
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  done, very well done. Collection of some of the catchphrases that you know
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  when you think wrestling. These are some of the catchphrases you're probably saying continuously
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  in your head. The rolling you know, the rolling credits is some it's
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  just as fucking good. It's but there's no two of the same wrestler in
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  the intro nor the rolling credits. But anyway, that said, I got
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  some more good news, not bad news, Bearrett, but good news.
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  So, as you guys know, we have been trying to get our own
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  merchandise out there, and we do have a shop on Pro wrestling Tease dot
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  com if you look up Podcast Championship Wrestling. We have our own store now.
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  So we do have a shirt on there, the PCW logo. There
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  is also a second shirt on there now. It is called the Peep shirt.
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  It is if you are a PCW fan, you are a peep.
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  It has a really cool chicken on a microphone in the front and in the
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  back it has a chicken who looks like he's been going to the gym.
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  And these both come with our QR codes. So wherever you go you can
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  just scan the QR code. I'll take your right to the episodes. Wherever
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  you are, you know, standing in line doing laundry. Wherever that QR
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  code is there, I'll take it every episode everywhere you go. We do
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  have a couple other shirts that have been submitted or I'm just waiting. There's
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  pending. You have to go through a pending process. I'm not gonna mention
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  them yet because if they don't get you know, they don't get cleared.
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  I don't wan people getting their hopes. But uh yeah, So now if
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  you want to be branded with a PCW shirt, there you go. Pro
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  wrestling T's dot com right now. It's the only place where you can buy
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  a peep shirt or a PCW shirt and also buy a CM punk shirt or
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  any other a e W wrestlers that are out there. I mean, what
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  what other stuff is? You know, there's pre wrestling is a bunch of
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  stuff. I bought the autographed Mister Soco off of there once. Yeah,
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  they had had a picture, uh autograph picture and an autograph mister Soco deal.
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  Yeah, yeah, they're great. They got some cool stuff on there.
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  They have. They have like everyone you've ever heard of has a T
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  shirt on fucking if you remember from uh Beyond the Matt Dennis Stamp, the
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  guy that wasn't booked on Terry Funk Show and was pissed off, I'm not
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  booked. He's got a shirt. He's been dead for for five six years.
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  He's good. He's got shirts up on Pro Wrestling Teeth. So,
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  yeah, that's great. They've got great stuff on there. Something that's really
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  funny. It's it's crazy like if these if the wrestler is not currently in
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  w w E, right, if they're not signed by w W most likely
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  you can get their merch right on Pro Wrestling Te's. I'm right on their
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  their web page, like right on the front. You get Macho Man,
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  you get the Road Warriors. He sting Stone called Steve Austin merches on here
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  a w New Japan Impact Wrestling Ring of Honor. It's all here all you
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  know, like we said, and everything, literally everybody, everybody, and
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  you know, they just have E W E Umbrella. They're on there.
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  Yeah, Christian, the Hardy Boys, it's all here, and and there's
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  deals now, there's there's tons of deals, and like, wouldn't it be
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  awesome to buy a PCW shirt and be able to take advantage of the discounts
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  they have going on roll that in there. You know, I myself am
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  going to order a couple of shirts and then when my new the new designs
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  that we submitted go through, I'm immediately ordering those if they don't get flagged,
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  But either way, expect more to be pumped out through there. We're
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  kind of designing these from scratch, so it does take a little work in
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  time and then having to make sure they're the right file and they can you
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  know, work with the designed proof software that they have, because that's another
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  issue is they're like you specifically have to go to this web page and use
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  their software for their designs, and fuck you found a way around it.
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  But still, but yeah, Trey, how do you feel, man?
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  We got some merch out there now? Yeah, yeah, I was actually
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  on the website as you were talking about checking them out. I like the
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  fact that not only is it you're not limited to just a single style of
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  shirt, not like a generic one, you know, one style fits sall
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  or one size fits all or whatever. Like you can choose between a thicker
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  coutting or soft or what they call premium soft, or even for the ladies,
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  there's a lady's shirt. You can get a long sleeve shirt. Yeah,
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  so you have options, which I appreciate, which I like, Yeah,
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  I do. Like, we know, not all T shirts fit the
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  same. And you know, some T shirts they might fit great, some
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  T shirts fit like crap. So yeah, like if I know one thing,
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  going through some old wrestling shirts. Actually the other day, a lot
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  of those shirts they're sizes. I was looking at it. I'm like,
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  there's no way this is a large because I can't fit in some of these
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  shirts anymore. And I'm like, and I still fit in the most larges
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  from like, you know, it's just the way w W, I don't
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  know, had a specific type of you know, material for their shirts.
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  They were always like really thick and they shrunk a lot. I remember that
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  WW. That's how you get us with your high prices. But no,
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  not on pro wrestling te's they are at very well and decent prices. I
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  have to say, definitely not as high as some of the ones you see
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  on WWE Shop, you know. Speaking of that side note, I saw
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  on a TikTok video of somebody looking at an old wrestling magazine, and you
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  guys remember some of those old wrestling magazines. There was a page that had
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  all the championship titles, right, had all of them listed there, and
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  I had pictures of them, had the prices of them, the sizes if
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  you if you wanted the kids size and that old size, the deluxe version,
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  whatever. But you know what's weird is those prices are still the same.
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  They really haven't changed that much all for a title you're you know,
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  if you're looking for like a a deluxe one you're looking or what not even
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  that just a standard you're looking over three hundred bucks period. Oh, I
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  guess we should be grateful that inflation hasn't hit those yet. This nobody's got
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  nobody's gotten that bright idea, like, you know, we could charge seven
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  hundred bucks for this uh old Intercontinental title belt. Yeah yeah. At uh
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  that wrestling store on South Street in Philly, they've got a big I was
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  gonna actually mention them because they they have a million old T shirts. Uh,
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  and it's real funny if you just got in and kind of scroll,
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  not scroll, swipe throw them, you know, you're like, oh,
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  I forgot about that guy or whatever. They also have this giant Wall of
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  Action figures, but they have all these belts too, and you go in
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  and just see all of them, like really there in front of you.
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  It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. There's a ball near me that has like
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  a bunch of sports collectibles. And once in a while they'll have like an
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  older, you know, heavyweight title, and they had the world title there
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  recently and I was like, oh man, the big gold world title.
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  That's the one I want. That's the one I want hanging on my wall,
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  you know. But they wanted way too much for it, and I
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  was just like, I'm not I'm not paying that. That's ridiculous. And
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  I think the name plate, I forget who it was, but it was
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  like when I saw it, I was like like that name plates gotta go.
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  Yeah. But yeah, I mean that's all I got for like,
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  you know, for PCW, for the for the merch, you know,
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  the website sound great. I do have a question for the podcast. I
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  will ask that actually at the end of the show, you know, we
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  had somebody write in, Wellandra road In, she writes in every episode,
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  but Dre, do you want to take you from here? Man Survivor series?
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  Yep, yep, might as well dive right on in. That's what
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  we're here for to talk about Survivor series war Games, which took place this
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  past Saturday from the All State Arena in Rosemont, Illinois, in front of
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  a live audience of seventeen thousand, one and thirty eight. Not bad,
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  I won't say, not bad for a Survivor series, although you would kind
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  of think that Survivor series would given that it's one of the Big Four.
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  You think they would go for a larger arena with that, especially when war
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  Game is being attached. It didn't feel very big before, it didn't it.
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  It felt kind of it kind of felt like the rest of the pay
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  per views we've had since Summer Slam didn't really have that Big Four feeling.
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  Definitely not compared to the Rumble or Mania or we've also had these these non
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  Big four matt shows in these huge stadiums, right, so like going back
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  to uh no, I mean, I mean it's a big arena obviously,
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  but going back there for for something you know, that's supposed to be this
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  important almost feels like a step back at this point. Yeah. Yeah,
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  I guess Savarvars series still kind of has some work to do to regain its
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  former glory. Yeah, I mean, you know, the war games of
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  it all. Notwithstanding, it really didn't have that big show feel at all.
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  Yeah. I mean, like I think just randomly of like another pay
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  per view that was in Chicago, because that's where it was, right Chicago,
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  Rosemont, which is outside of Chicago. Yeah, yeah, that same
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  arena. Remember, like there's twenty eleven they had money in the bank there.
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  I think that was when they had like Punk versus Sena, and that
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  was like fourteen eight fifteen people, So in this one's seventeen. So maybe
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  it's just the arena just get I guess, Well, they stayed to differently.
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  They didn't have you know, a fifth of the thing cut off by
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  a stage. They they had a three sixty kind of feel, which was
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  cool. But that's also I think that's endeavor coming into and being like,
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  hey, I see three thousand seats here, nobody's sitting in right touching the
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  numbers and shit. Yeah, I mean, you know, and we know
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  that they want to maximize profits, you know, above all else. That's
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  why we're seeing all these sponsored matches, and it's not going to be long.
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  I don't think before there's ads on the can of this itself, you
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  know, and we see that, we've seen that in boxing forever. Uh.
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  I feel like W c W used to do that. But I think
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  Vince was always he wanted to clean uh you know, uh ring and uh
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  you know, surrounding area. And obviously that that has gone gone away quite
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  a bit. And I think the last bastion, uh is the blank campus.
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  But I don't think right the ring is the last thing that's left that's
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  still sacred. And to a certain extent, I kind of I'm on Vince's
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  side with this. Yeah, maybe it's just the old fogies in us,
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  but yeah, I want the ring itself to remain pure. Let the ring
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  be the ring, y'all. I don't care. Y'all got the little screens
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  now around the ring and on the base of the ring and all that,
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  and the interest way y'all can light that ship up with all the ads y'all
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  want. I don't care. Half the time, I don't see him,
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  and I'm not paying attention to them. But I damn sure don't want to
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  see somebody getting super plexed on top of a slim GYM logo in the middle
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  of the ring, dude, exactly, or somebody ripping off the and you
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  know, Michael Cole, you have to say, oh my god, he
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  ripped off the Starbus turn buckle. It was like, yeah, really,
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  yeah, didn't starbus turn But it's bad enough, Like how much it's already
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  shoved in our face with ruffles for this pay per view, mm, slim
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  GYM for this pay per view? Like I get it, dude, Like
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  you need to advertise, but yeah, like keep it away from the turnbuckles,
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  keep it, keep it away from the center of the ring itself.
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  I never ever ever want to see a fucking logo or of anything, a
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  dove soap, a fucking dog food logo. Nothing. I don't see none
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  of that ship in the middle of Mountain Dew pitch black. They don't ever
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  do that big back body drop right in the mountain do logo. I don't
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  need that. Yeah, I don't need that. It's bad enough now that
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  we I get why. It's the change of the time, Like the side
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  of the ring has you know, the ring apron is now gone. Now
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  we have the well for the most part, we have the LCD screens.
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  We still have some ring apron, but the screens, and now all the
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  way around where the fans are the barricade is all screens now. And just
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  remember the other night on Raw what what Ivar is Ivar? And who is
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  he fighting against? Last night? Yes? Yes, yes, and he
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  and he threw Bronson Reid into the side and they did that whole glitch like
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  he broke the fucking thing and then it was fine. But anyway, carry
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  on. Somebody just just threw somebody into the ring and part of it fell
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  off. I can't remember what show that was on in the last couple of
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  weeks. One of the panels fell off. I kind of like when stuff
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  like that happened. I do. If it legit breaks, then yes,
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  it's a cool spot. I do. Kind of like those all that lighting,
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  especially neur an entrances. They can do some cool ship with that.
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  I could do without the ruffles constantly flashing for the entirety of the match,
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  But I mean that's that's the direction we're going in, you know. Yeah,
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  they gotta find their balance as long as they don't do nothing as dumb
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  as that freaking Mountain Dew pitch Black match again. Oh Jesus, just never
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  go that, never go that far and hologram bugs either oh yeah, Bray
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  White and Rady or oh god that was terrible. Mm yeah, thank thank
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  god. This isn't as gimmick this pay per view. We only had one
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  gimmick for games yep and yeah, and really this pay per view itself was
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  fairly light on matches. We only had five matches, and that's including the
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  two war games, which is kind of surprising, especially given we were out
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  of there by eleven, right. I don't think it was even or it
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  was almost exactly three hours. Yeah, it pretty much wrapped up like right
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  at eleven, right at or shortly after. Yeah, but uh, let's
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  dive right into this, so obviously. Kicking off the Survibs series PL was
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  the Women's Wargame match, which featured Damage Control, consisting of Bailey Osca were
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  Women's w W Women's Champion Eo Sky and Kyrie Say taking on Team Bianca of
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  Charlotte f Shot See Bianca Belair herself and Becky Lynch. And this match,
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  as is always the case with Women's War Games match was an absolute banger.
• 30:17
  They said, women, anytime they have a chance to show out, they
• 30:19
  absolutely gonna show out, and they damn show did it in this In this
• 30:25
  match, we saw a bunch of crazy spots in it, most notably a
• 30:30
  work of them. Probably the spot of the night was an EO sky hitting
• 30:34
  them with the R two D two from the top of the cage, throwing
• 30:38
  the putting the trash bind over herself and just diving off to everybody. And
• 30:45
  then Charlotte Flair with her own moon saw it off the top of the cage,
• 30:49
  which I don't know. She must have felt some type of way about
• 30:52
  EO doing her spot, because apparently Charlotte had to felt the need to clock
• 30:57
  EO right and forehead with her. She did her moon salt, which means,
• 31:03
  Charlotte, you ain't the flyer that EOI is staying your lane. No,
• 31:07
  I'm joking, I'm talking shit. But oh all, Like I said,
• 31:11
  this was a great match to kick off the show. All the women
• 31:14
  showed out, kicked ass. We had a bunch of dope spots and even
• 31:18
  had a little bit of storytelling in this one. A little bit of storytelling,
• 31:22
  a little bit of foreshadowing, because once all eight women were in the
• 31:27
  ring and you had the official War Games beginning, you got you got Bailey
• 31:37
  pretty much saving all the other girls from getting pinned. Like at each point
• 31:41
  in the match, one of the other women in Damage Cole was Damage Control
• 31:45
  was about to get pinned, and Bailey was the one to break it up
• 31:48
  and make the safe and then turn it all around. In the end,
• 31:52
  Bailey gets hit with everything from everyone and nobody saves her for the pin.
• 32:00
  It almost makes you wonder was it deliberate? But were they you know,
• 32:04
  were they all just really down and just couldn't make the pin or did they
• 32:07
  deliberately sit there and just let her get wrecked like that and get pinned.
• 32:13
  I guess we'll get the answer on Friday. But all in all, like
• 32:17
  I said, great match, great kickoff to the show Good Girls one which
• 32:23
  I was honestly kind of surprised about it. Honestly thought Damna's Control was going
• 32:25
  to pick up the win, but they didn't. So Wayne, what were
• 32:30
  your thoughts, Well, you know, for those people who haven't you know,
• 32:35
  seen a War Games match before, I know for my girlfriend this was
• 32:38
  like her first War Games match. So I was kind of excited, like,
• 32:42
  oh man, you're in for a treat, you know. For those
• 32:45
  who don't know, it is two rings and one massive steel cage around it,
• 32:52
  which it's it's something from WCW. Crret guys, that's where it originated
• 32:58
  from. Yeah, yep, yep. So well that w W had a
• 33:04
  roof though, yeah, yeah, more than I would say, probably n
• 33:07
  W a thing. Obviously it was the brainch out of the American Dream Dusty
• 33:12
  Rose, so it predates w c W. This is probably yeah in WA
• 33:17
  Jim Crockett Promotions. Yeah, So how it starts is It starts off with
• 33:22
  with two competitors and the two teams that will be contained in separate cages,
• 33:30
  with one member of each team starting the match. After five minutes, a
• 33:34
  member from the advantage team will be released to enter the match after a three
• 33:38
  minute period. Alternaty members of of wait, sorry, competitors all entered the
• 33:47
  match until all. Once all the competitors have entered war Games, the match
• 33:53
  is officially begun. Sorry I got mixed up by notary, but I don't
• 33:57
  know. First time I watched War Games, I was a little confus.
• 34:00
  I thought it would have been better if it was an elimination situation, because
• 34:07
  I missed that. That's that's something that Survivors series for me was always about,
• 34:13
  was these big elimination matches. And don't get me wrong, I love
• 34:17
  war games. I love I love the match, the concept of it,
• 34:22
  the interaction they can have with two rings, and how they can mix this
• 34:28
  up with different types of weapons, and they have the use of the cage
• 34:31
  as well. Yeah, I mean what happened to elimination matches? Like,
• 34:37
  yes, we got teams, that's awesome, we got big teams, we
• 34:40
  got four members, we got five members. Whatever, Let's let's do an
• 34:45
  elimination even if it's like the eliminations don't start until everybody's in. When all
• 34:52
  the competitors in, then eliminations can start. I don't care. But why
• 34:58
  can't we alternate it? I mean they've already they've already kind of changed the
• 35:02
  rules from what they were back in the day. Anyway, why not change
• 35:07
  them a little more now? See, that's that's where I'm going to disagree
• 35:10
  with you, because elimination like to me, to me as somebody who grew
• 35:17
  up more in the NWA. Jim Crockett WCW World than the WWE. I'm
• 35:25
  a huge fan of war games. War games has always been one of my
• 35:30
  favorite gimmick matches of all time. So the whole elimin it's never had an
• 35:36
  elimination aspect to it, and I don't necessarily want that to be the case,
• 35:40
  Like, let that remain a classic Survivor series thing like that's what the
• 35:45
  classic Survivor series matches were, was the elimination. So I'm more of the
• 35:50
  mindset of let that stay there, Let wargames stay war games. The thing
• 35:54
  that I don't like about the war games matches that they have changed is that
• 35:59
  you can win by penfall. That was never a thing in world in war
• 36:04
  games and you and back in the day war games used to be a closed
• 36:08
  cage. It wasn't. It didn't have an open top. It used to
• 36:10
  be one much shorter closer to the ring, so that there weren't there really
• 36:15
  wasn't the opportunity to do like top rope spots or high flying spots or anything
• 36:21
  like that. But what you could do is if you had somebody like say
• 36:24
  a Sid Vicious in the match, he could pick up a guy for a
• 36:28
  power bomb and bash his head up against the top of the cage, as
• 36:30
  he did with Brian Pillman once in a War Games match, causing Brian Pillman
• 36:35
  to I think be legitimately concussed, but either way it led to him being
• 36:40
  unable to finish. Because that's what classic war games was was only way to
• 36:45
  win was by submit or surrender. Either you made your opponent quit or you
• 36:51
  beat them until they could not finish, until they could not compete any further.
• 36:55
  Because that's what it was. War Games, like the name it something.
• 37:00
  It was like the ultimate beef settler. It wasn't about all about crazy
• 37:05
  high spots either. It was it was a bar fight, you know,
• 37:08
  basically it was it was headlock and rap. It was it was Nolan Ryan
• 37:13
  and Robin Ventura, you know, headlock and just you know and rubbing the
• 37:17
  face on the cage and blood match with no blood is right. It wasn't
• 37:25
  about being a showcase just a glorified cage match. It was like, no,
• 37:30
  we got beef, and our beef is so serious that this is the
• 37:34
  only way to settle it is you get your crew. I got my crew.
• 37:38
  We in this cage, and we finna whooped somebody asked until somebody can't
• 37:43
  go no mo. Yeah, I mean I know you have to. I
• 37:45
  understand that you have to plan in advance a little bit for a war Games
• 37:50
  because of the layout of the arena and stuff, but like having this event
• 37:53
  every year at the same time, it's just gonna completely water down this concept.
• 37:59
  Yeah, it needs to be fucking beef. It's gonna be the same
• 38:01
  thing that's happened to Helena cell I think, you know, like instead of
• 38:05
  having a hot feud that can only be settled in wargames, now it's oh
• 38:08
  it's November. Who are we gonna shoehorn into the war Games match? You
• 38:14
  know, Helena, Like Helena Cell so watered down now, we've had just
• 38:17
  so many unworthy feuds going there, bad matches. You know, it's just
• 38:23
  they announced Helena Celle I, I don't give a shit whatever, you know,
• 38:28
  and I'm afraid that's gonna happen here. We're I mean, they're already
• 38:30
  recycling spots, you know. Uh like the EO diving off the cage with
• 38:36
  the with the trash can. That was awesome, But she did that exact
• 38:39
  same thing in a War Games match in NXT. You know, like we'll
• 38:45
  get to the men's of course, but you know Randy's second rope DDT thing
• 38:49
  where everybody did it. That was fun. But they did the same thing
• 38:51
  last year. The beats right exactly. So like yeah, just like,
• 38:58
  hey, I hate the they're obligated to do it. I wish they could
• 39:01
  do it because it needs to be not you know, move it, move
• 39:06
  it away from Survivor series and and you know, oh maybe one year at
• 39:08
  SummerSlam we're gonna have a war games match or whatever, you know, move
• 39:14
  it around, you know, don't don't force something into it, let it
• 39:19
  happen organically. Of course, I also need to every time they fucking do
• 39:23
  this. I am all for equality. I'm all for equal chances and everything,
• 39:27
  but we don't need to always have the boys and the girls both have
• 39:30
  a chance, you know, like one year, just do the men,
• 39:35
  one year, just do the women. Two of these matches and the same
• 39:37
  night is a lot, uh And I you know, I say the same
• 39:42
  the Rumble less so because the Rumble is such a different animal. But like,
• 39:45
  we don't need to do two elimination chambers at the same time. We
• 39:49
  don't need to do two of these war games at the same time. We
• 39:51
  don't need to do two Hell and the Seals at the same you know,
• 39:54
  it's just it's just it's a lot. Yeah, this is Doyle in my
• 40:00
  head right now, rotten. Yeah, Like I thought this this women's match
• 40:07
  kind of illustrates my point a little bit. Like I didn't feel like the
• 40:13
  boiling over blood feud that wargames should require was there. You know, there
• 40:19
  were some fun spots, some crazy stuff, but it kind of felt really
• 40:23
  contrived. Also, like there was a lot of books. We're all going
• 40:29
  to stand around and just conglomerate right here for forty five seconds, wall somebody
• 40:34
  climbs up here, and you know, like it just it felt really set
• 40:37
  up a little bit. I mean the very choreographed yeah, you know,
• 40:42
  like they looked I mean, everything was crisp. They weren't botching stuff.
• 40:47
  And I love the booking of the finish, just what Drey said where Bailey
• 40:52
  helped everybody out, but when it was time for bailet and helped nobody was
• 40:55
  there for I think this is gonna I mean we've been predicting Bailey I think
• 41:01
  getting thrown out of the damage Control for a while. Now I think that's
• 41:05
  finally set in motion. You know, Cole was even like, oh,
• 41:07
  Bailey's the MVP of this met he was already talking her up. I think
• 41:12
  she's gonna find her way back to Becky and Charlotte somehow, and maybe it's
• 41:17
  the three of them versus the Oscar EO and Carrie Sane or something like that
• 41:23
  what I would wish, And this is just a pipe dream, or maybe
• 41:28
  not. If they could get Sasha back and we could do finally do a
• 41:31
  program with the O G four horse Women of the n XT, I think
• 41:35
  that would be Yeah, that is the war game. Yeah right, that's
• 41:39
  what versus Damage Control book. But I think it's a good a good banger
• 41:46
  of a match for an opening match, especially like the women delivered in this
• 41:51
  match. For me, uh, I think it was cool when they you
• 41:55
  know, EO's team came out. You know, they were all wearing the
• 42:00
  Oscar mask, wearing one uh, you know, Bailey and Becky got through
• 42:07
  time to shine in the very beginning of the match. You know, I
• 42:12
  get it. I understand why she was there, but shots for me just
• 42:15
  felt like the one person that was out of place on that team. Oh
• 42:21
  yeah, I mean, but she seemed to disappear for like, yeah,
• 42:27
  like three four minutes at a time, just a I don't even see her
• 42:30
  laying on the ground. Where the hell is she just laid out on the
• 42:35
  ground somewhere. Actually she she she I thought that was a good chance of
• 42:40
  hurt really fucking something up, which didn't didn't happen, So good on her
• 42:45
  for that. I think we all like Shatzi. Yeah she sucks. Yeah,
• 42:51
  like you said in discord, Yeah, Shatsi is a person, is
• 42:54
  very likable. She's very endearing, especially even as much just people may try
• 43:00
  to bash on her current hairstyle, when you realize the reason, the real
• 43:05
  life reason why she did it, it just endears you to her even more.
• 43:08
  But her, it's just her character work just needs a considerable amount of
• 43:14
  work. Like we all saw the SmackDown leading into into Survivors series when the
• 43:21
  team Bianca cut that She's gonna cut that promo in the ring, you could
• 43:24
  see there's Becky, Charlotte and Bianca over here. In terms of mike,
• 43:31
  not in terms of like actual positioning, but in terms of like their mic
• 43:35
  skills. There's Bianca, Charlotte and Becky over here, and then they're Shazi
• 43:40
  way over there. The way they carry themselves It's a marked difference between the
• 43:46
  three and her. She gave off so much I'm just happy to be here
• 43:52
  vibes. Yeah. But then on the backstage she had with Charlotte, she
• 43:54
  was great. So she has an enter. Uh. She is sure part
• 44:01
  of it is what creative gives her blah blah blah whatever, but she did
• 44:07
  tie it all together somehow. Yeah, And I'm pretty sure that the character
• 44:13
  she's presenting is part of her authentically. But she just needs to find that
• 44:17
  balance and find that way to bring her authentic self to the ring without being
• 44:23
  so over the top and campy like she wasn't that promo Because when she was
• 44:29
  on over that promo like I can't wait to kill you all, like crazy
• 44:31
  woman, Calm down, calm down, calm down. But then she's in
• 44:37
  the backstage, like you said, and she's speaking genuine it from the heart,
• 44:40
  and you feel that like that resonated. I was like, Okay,
• 44:44
  this is the shots that I can get behind. This is a shot that
• 44:46
  I can rock with, not the one who was acting all batshit nuts in
• 44:50
  the ring. You know what is I didn't think that the Face team was
• 44:55
  going to go over in this one, but it it makes sense. And
• 45:00
  though because if anybody was gonna eat that pin, I called it. And
• 45:02
  like I'm watching, We're watching the match at home, and I'm like,
• 45:06
  well, I have this eerie feeling that you know, they're not They're not
• 45:08
  gonna win, and I feel like Bailey is gonna take the pin here,
• 45:14
  and it just makes sense. Out of that team, who takes the pin,
• 45:16
  it's gonna be Bailey. And that's just that's in great importance going into
• 45:22
  the future here, going into her leaving that stable. You know, like
• 45:27
  you were the one who lost it for us. You were the one who
• 45:29
  got pinned. We didn't get pinned, you know. And that's gonna open
• 45:34
  up so much more stuff between now and WrestleMania for damage control. Uh.
• 45:38
  And what's great is the Women's World title is still tied up in there,
• 45:43
  the Women's w W title still tied up in that whole feud with with all
• 45:47
  these women. You know, I kind of don't know where a lot of
• 45:52
  these other ones go from here. Uh, Like you know, like where
• 45:55
  does Shaunz go from here? Uh? You know, I'm glad we have
• 46:00
  a lot of good moments in this Uh for me, I know, you
• 46:05
  kind of rolled your eyes. Probably, But like I thought, it was
• 46:07
  an awesome spot for Charlotte to do the backflip off the top there, because
• 46:10
  I'll tell you what, that's pretty high up and just to trust those people
• 46:15
  just to catch you. In general, that's that's scary, man. That's
• 46:19
  the scary you do. I mean everything else that's that movie. So it's
• 46:22
  like, it's like, is this gonna be the time I watch her die
• 46:27
  on to okaycause she's so tall. It's like she she catches the ground before
• 46:31
  they catch her, because she never looks like she's gonna eat rotate. Yeah,
• 46:37
  Eel's forehead caught her before anything else. God. Yeah. And like
• 46:40
  I thought forehead was maybe mess They showed pictures of it. We have it
• 46:44
  on our discord, her four heads all messed up, and I was like,
• 46:46
  oh, maybe that's from the trash can spot. I'm like, no,
• 46:51
  that's probably from Charlotte kicking it in the face. Yeah. I saw
• 46:53
  that ship in real time watching that match. Like watching it in real time,
• 46:58
  I saw like her near leg just straight clock Eel straight in the forehead
• 47:01
  and then all you saw was just Io on the ground holding her for it.
• 47:06
  I'm like, oh no, she's not selling. She got hit for
• 47:08
  real. Yeah, and and for me, I was happy to see Becky
• 47:14
  and Charlotte have their little you know moment together. They hugged. I mean,
• 47:19
  I don't know if anybody remembers. They used to be a tag team
• 47:22
  before, like you know, Sip and Tea. They used to be a
• 47:25
  little thing together, so it's kind of they did. They did that during
• 47:30
  the celebration at the end. Yeah, that's awesome. Climbed up to the
• 47:35
  cage and we're doing cocabell airs. Outfit was pretty cool. This time.
• 47:39
  She had two braids and she normally has one. So yeah, that was
• 47:44
  a fun, fun little twist. Yeah, going around whipping everybody. Oscar
• 47:49
  got to bring out the mist and take Shotsy out and the way SHOTSI fell
• 47:52
  after she got missed. It was pretty funny. I don't know who was
• 47:55
  it EO or Kyrie. Somebody had thrown into this se the cage and slid
• 48:00
  all the way the hell down. I thought it was Shatti who got thrown
• 48:07
  into the cage and slid down there spots like that, I think there was.
• 48:10
  That was great great camera work, yeah, yeah, because it showed
• 48:14
  like her back just in the cage. It just slide all the way down.
• 48:16
  I was like, oh, that was a nasty spot. Yeah,
• 48:20
  like pinched in between the cage and the rope. Just I think Charlotte did
• 48:23
  it because she's she's so tall. She threw up pretty high, so she
• 48:27
  had a long right down and uh yeah. It just as the opening match
• 48:32
  for this pay per view. It was great. It got me hyped.
• 48:37
  I was like, cool because now you know, you know, the guys
• 48:40
  are in the back watching this, like, okay, we got to one
• 48:45
  up that. You know. They brought chairs in, they brought kendosticks,
• 48:47
  they had trash cans, they had a table. You know, so we
• 48:52
  gotta we gotta step it up. And I always think it's cool because you're
• 48:57
  in the back and you're like, okay, we you know that's the bar.
• 49:00
  That's the bar right now, and it's set high, and you know
• 49:06
  the next match, you know, it kind of kind a little bit of
• 49:09
  a roller coaster hear on out to the end, but you know, pretty
• 49:13
  steady. They got thirty three minutes and thirty five seconds pretty much almost the
• 49:17
  same amount of time as the guys. So yeah, great, great opening.
• 49:23
  I'd probably give it like a like a four out of five stars.
• 49:29
  Maybe you know, yeah, yeah, I was. I'm kind of in
• 49:35
  agreement. It was a strong match to open the pay per view, even
• 49:37
  if the build up to the match itself was a bit lacking and a bit
• 49:43
  contrived and forced. As we already have said, the match itself ultimately delivered
• 49:49
  and it was an entertaining match that definitely was a strong kickoff to the pl
• 49:54
  So moving on, following this match, we got a backstage segment featuring Otis,
• 50:05
  a Curates Zawa, Maxine Dupris of Alpha Academy, and the ww Women's
• 50:09
  Tag team champions Chelsea Green and Piper Nivin all sitting down eating ruffles because Ruffles
• 50:21
  paid for them to sit down and eat ruffles. And then they were interrupted
• 50:27
  by pretty Deadly who showed up arguing with Otis on whether they're potato chips or
• 50:32
  crisps because you know, Britain apparently calls chips crisps because they're fucking weird.
• 50:38
  That's why they lost the war. I'm joking, but you have to.
• 50:50
  They had a little back and forth over it, which caused them to knock
• 50:53
  over or toss all the chips up against the wall. We saw a returning
• 51:00
  person that everybody had been waiting for. That we were all anticipating Our Truth
• 51:07
  well back in the WWE, which does not look fifty one at all,
• 51:15
  not in the slightest bit. But no, in all seriousness, it was
• 51:21
  nice seeing him back. He's one of those guys that you always appreciate,
• 51:25
  even though you know he's probably never gonna be a world champion. He's just
• 51:30
  gonna be a fifty four times twenty four to seven, right, He'll never
• 51:35
  be in the main event or anything like that. But you're always happy to
• 51:37
  see him and he's always going to be appreciated. He'll always be beloved by
• 51:40
  the fans, as seen by the pretty sizable pop he got when he popped
• 51:45
  when he showed up on camera. So yeah, so good for him.
• 51:50
  And then that was the end of that segment. Any thoughts on that little
• 51:53
  segment or Our Truth coming back. Yeah, man, it was great to
• 51:55
  see back. Like, I don't care what he does. He's still with
• 52:00
  the company. That's great. He's fifty one years old. He looks fucking
• 52:04
  great. You know, he always makes me chuckle, you know, he
• 52:08
  does moments that he makes me laugh pretty hard. But he always has good
• 52:12
  chuckle moments. It is a good palate cleanser for maybe whatever the heck you
• 52:15
  just watch to have a little bit of our truth. Like you said,
• 52:22
  he may not ever be like a world champion one day, but like do
• 52:24
  you, I don't know anybody else who's held any kind of title of any
• 52:30
  kind in any company fifty four times, so you can at least say that,
• 52:35
  you know, like like, oh, yeah, I've held this title
• 52:38
  fifty four times. You know. It's that that's what people will like it
• 52:43
  modern, like the people who've been watching it for the past like several years,
• 52:46
  that's how they'll remember our truth is like he's the fifty four time you
• 52:52
  know, twenty four to seven televised United States, Intercontinental, European whatever the
• 52:59
  heck chimp and he's to call you know, three six champion. But yeah,
• 53:05
  it's great seeing him. They're still doing this. That's nasty bit whatever.
• 53:10
  I'm well, you know, uh you it is. It's just weird.
• 53:17
  I don't know what the fuck it is, but it's just weird.
• 53:20
  Why. It's like he's one of those dudes that like used to be kind
• 53:24
  of chubby and now he's like way too skinny, and he almost looks gaunt,
• 53:30
  and he's like he like compensated by being too tan and too skinny at
• 53:35
  the same time. And he like he does this that dance and his eyes
• 53:39
  just go dead, like he's in some kind of trance. He's really weird.
• 53:44
  I don't get it. I don't mind it. But I wearing gym
• 53:47
  shorts that are like four times too big for him. Yeah, it's so
• 53:52
  weird, so much smaller. And what's wild about it is I'll bet you
• 53:57
  if he was given a chance to cut loose, I bet curates As could
• 54:00
  absolutely fucking rip in the ring. Yeah, I bet. You know what's
• 54:06
  funny is think about all the people that got laid off this year, that
• 54:09
  got fired, that got let go, that didn't get re signed, that
• 54:15
  couldn't recontract negotiations. Then you know, these people went to a w or
• 54:20
  elsewhere because they weren't happy. But guess what they kept a carrots. Yes,
• 54:29
  they couldn't come up with with any any kind of creative work for Edge,
• 54:35
  so he had to go to another company. But Tazawa, you know,
• 54:38
  we got tons of fucking work for you, man, We got tons
• 54:43
  of stuff and creative for you. You know what that's called return on investment.
• 54:50
  Yeah, he don't cost much, but we can get a lot out
• 54:52
  of them. Yep, yep, absolutely right, right. Yeah. So,
• 55:00
  following that backstage segment and the highly anticipated return of Our Truth, we
• 55:07
  got the Intercontinental Championship Match with featuring Gunter defending his championship against the Miz and
• 55:19
  which resulted in Gunter retaining his title after making Miz tap out to a Boston
• 55:25
  Crab. Now, this match could have really just been a raw main event
• 55:36
  or even a raw you know, close out one hour start the second hour
• 55:42
  match. Like, there really wasn't anything that spectacular about this match, anything
• 55:45
  that special. It was pretty much standard fair Like. The only thing to
• 55:51
  me that was really noteworthy in this match is the fact that Gunter made somebody
• 55:55
  tap out. That Gunter found yet another way to win a match, and
• 56:01
  this sign was a Boston crab with a knee in the back to make some
• 56:07
  to make somebody submit, as opposed to his standard traditional like you know,
• 56:12
  clothesline from hell, power bomb, slap the fuck out of your chest or
• 56:15
  something like that combination that he does for a pinfall, which goes to just
• 56:22
  reinforce further reinforce just how great Gunster is as an IC champion in the fact
• 56:27
  that not only has he held the title longer than anyone else in history,
• 56:32
  but he's still having good matches because again, this match may have been standard,
• 56:37
  fair, but it wasn't terrible or trash by any means. It just
• 56:40
  wasn't special, but it was still a good match, right, and Mis
• 56:44
  looked good in the match itself, you know, showing that he could push
• 56:47
  Gunster to the limit and and really that he can still go on that level
• 56:53
  and he's not just a glorified jobb right now or not just comic relief now
• 56:58
  that he can still contend for championships when need be. But again it's just
• 57:05
  Golters again showing why he's just, you know, to quote another wrestler,
• 57:09
  just that damn good. He wins, he wins clean, and he doesn't
• 57:15
  win the same way twice. So I mean, outside that, I don't
• 57:20
  really know much more to add to the match other than the Gunter's still that
• 57:23
  dude. But if Miss ain't the one to do it, I'll ask y'all
• 57:29
  thoughts on it, starting with you, Doyle, in addition to your thoughts
• 57:31
  of it. If Miss isn't the guy to take out Gozer. Then who
• 57:36
  the hell is Yeah? I mean he's really he's really running out of people,
• 57:39
  isn't it right? I don't know who it is. I'm not sure.
• 57:46
  I'm not sure we can count the Mis, is not it not the
• 57:51
  guy? I really like this match. And here's something you won't hear me
• 57:54
  say very often. This wasn't long enough. I mean, I really liked
• 58:00
  the story of the match with the Mis working the leg. I liked kind
• 58:05
  of the Brett Hard homages with the figure four around the ring post, and
• 58:08
  they did the spot with the sleeper hold and walking up the corner into the
• 58:13
  pin. I would have liked to have seen more of that, you know,
• 58:16
  if we could add homages to other Icy champions, maybe a rude awakening
• 58:22
  or a perfect plex, you know. And Dre you called it a Boston
• 58:28
  crab. He put the he put the knee on the back of the neck.
• 58:30
  There. That was a lion Tamer, which I thought was great.
• 58:34
  He used the lion Tamer to deny mis Tian Jericho's right, so I thought
• 58:39
  that was cool. I thought the drama was there. I wish the build
• 58:44
  had been a little better. It kind of apparently it got fucked up.
• 58:47
  They haven't. They had that four way match a couple of weeks ago and
• 58:52
  Rickyschet kicked out. I guess Ricky Kak got concussion and kicked out when he
• 58:54
  wasn't supposed to. Uh, so it would have been miss and the Viking
• 58:59
  Raider. I think would have then had a match to see who would have
• 59:01
  faced gone through. But miss won the four way, so that may maybe
• 59:07
  they build up kind of with Missus the underdog kind of got a little fucked
• 59:09
  up. But like I always say, with these like David and Goliath matches,
• 59:15
  unless there's at least a moment where you believe that David might actually win,
• 59:19
  it isn't successful. And I think that they achieved that. So I
• 59:23
  really liked the ingredients, I really liked the seasoning, and I liked how
• 59:27
  it looked on my plate. I think they just took it out of the
• 59:29
  oven a little too soon. And but why, I mean, there's only
• 59:35
  five matches on this card. They had all the time in the world.
• 59:38
  Why rushed this? I feel like all three of these singles matches we get
• 59:42
  or we're about to talk about. I feel like they all got rushed for
• 59:45
  no reason. It didn't make sense to me. They had so much time
• 59:50
  why. I mean, I'm not saying give it an extra half hour,
• 59:52
  but you know, five more minutes would have really, I think would have
• 59:57
  done this match a world of good. But I really, but I and
• 1:00:01
  I think. I mean, we saw the Miz confront gun Through again on
• 1:00:06
  Monday, so I don't I don't think Gum may think he's done with the
• 1:00:08
  Miz, but I don't think the miss is done with gun though. I
• 1:00:13
  don't know who the fuck it's gonna be, though, tell you the truth.
• 1:00:15
  Like I said, I don't think we can count the Miss out.
• 1:00:17
  Uh. I don't think it'll be him, but I don't think we can
• 1:00:21
  say it won't be him, I still say. And I don't know how
• 1:00:23
  far away it is, but my dream scenario is still Biggie. I think
• 1:00:29
  that I think a match between Biggie and gun Through would be fucking awesome.
• 1:00:32
  Uh. But I mean, who knows if we're ever going to see him
• 1:00:35
  in the ring again at all, let alone when maybe jay Uzo. Yeah,
• 1:00:42
  I mean, it might be a feather in his cap, give him
• 1:00:45
  something to do. Uh, But I don't know, man, he's running
• 1:00:49
  out of people. Mm hmm them pickings start to get real slim for pretty
• 1:00:54
  I see title contenders unless you start pulling from the you know, the world
• 1:00:59
  title contender pool, which I don't know if you want to drag in those
• 1:01:04
  guys down. Yeah, I could see like an Ultimate Warrior scenario where he
• 1:01:07
  wins the world title and Yon wishes the Icy title. You know, I
• 1:01:13
  can see that. It's yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. You can't really
• 1:01:17
  rule that out, depending on how they how this all gets booked up.
• 1:01:21
  That's very much a real possibility. But I think I think he's I think
• 1:01:25
  I think his Manium match is going to be Lesnar, and I think him
• 1:01:29
  beating Lesner is going to be like his final the final boss between him and
• 1:01:34
  then really in the main event. Seeing Yeah, but that's booking way far.
• 1:01:42
  Yeah, yeah, war You want to talk about a way to get
• 1:01:45
  a guy over, imagine imagine even if you imagine them going the Ultimate Warrior
• 1:01:52
  route, we're going to and he's the IC Champion and he's end up he's
• 1:01:55
  facing Lesnar at WrestleMania as the World champion and he beats Lesner. Yo,
• 1:02:02
  Yeah, it's possible, Doyle, I might have to agree with you with
• 1:02:08
  Jay USO there. You know, I'm ringing here. During a recent interview
• 1:02:13
  with Billboard, Jay used to reveal that the interconin Wald Championship is at the
• 1:02:17
  top of his list for singles gold he wants to win. He said,
• 1:02:22
  the first singles championship on the top of my list is the IC title.
• 1:02:25
  Gooser's gonna have to run that. Everybody over there he likes to he likes
• 1:02:30
  the tribal chief. You see what I do to the tribal chief. I
• 1:02:34
  don't give a damn. Let's run that. My dad was an INTERCONINALD champion,
• 1:02:37
  my uncle Umaga was ICY champion, Sean Michaels, my favorite wrestler,
• 1:02:44
  Razor Ramon, all the greats held the ICY title. And I'm trying to
• 1:02:47
  get that pay per view material right there. So yeah, I I you
• 1:02:52
  know what you want to take Jay Usso as a serious singles competitor. Put
• 1:03:00
  him with Gunther. I mean yeah, and he's being Gunther too. I
• 1:03:05
  don't think a lot. I brought this up to Andrew the other day.
• 1:03:08
  I was like, you know, a handful of years ago, you know,
• 1:03:13
  we'll say like five years ago, you know, think of the ussos.
• 1:03:15
  I could picture the ussos during singles runs they have been one team.
• 1:03:21
  I was like, nah, I don't think these guys would have worked on
• 1:03:23
  their own, and I couldn't buy either of them being a singles competitor.
• 1:03:29
  But now I totally can. And well, I think Jay said in one
• 1:03:34
  of his promos, he said, now they know who I am. Yeah,
• 1:03:37
  yeah, exactly. I didn't know which one was Jimmy and which one
• 1:03:39
  was Jay. I had no no, but now we do. Now we
• 1:03:44
  do. There's no doubt. There's no doubt at all. And you know,
• 1:03:47
  uh, because even there were times when they would be wrestling and stuff
• 1:03:53
  and you couldn't tell them apart. But now with the promos, the way
• 1:03:58
  they delivered their or gimmicks, yeah, they each have. They each have
• 1:04:02
  a dependent character from each other exactly. They're they're finally their own individual person
• 1:04:09
  now and they're very smart right now keeping them apart on different rosters until the
• 1:04:14
  time is right for like I don't know, WrestleMania, but like until then,
• 1:04:18
  like just let these guys cook and let them beat some credible people.
• 1:04:24
  So when that moment comes, you know, at the Rumble or at WrestleMania,
• 1:04:29
  when these two get head to head it'll be great. But you know,
• 1:04:32
  anyway, with with this this match, I agree, Doyle. Uh,
• 1:04:36
  it was only twelve minutes twenty seconds. It should have been longer.
• 1:04:43
  I was enjoying it because I was starting to believe, you know, like
• 1:04:49
  the Miz could do it, Like the Mis has been to the top.
• 1:04:56
  He has done it. He has been to the very tippy top, and
• 1:05:00
  he's made event of Russell Mayde and he's held the Icy title eight times.
• 1:05:03
  Like that was kind of to me. That was his thing. The intercondinal
• 1:05:08
  title was the missest thing. It wasn't the w W title. I remember
• 1:05:12
  more of his Icy title runs. You know, he's held the United States,
• 1:05:15
  he's held the tag teams, he's been a money in the bank briefcase
• 1:05:18
  winner. But at the end of the day, like his Icy title runs
• 1:05:21
  to me were something I always remembered. Well, his world title runs were
• 1:05:30
  always booked. His flukes. Yes, his last one he was defeated by
• 1:05:33
  lastly very quickly. Yeah, I remember that. His Icy titles are much
• 1:05:42
  more memorable. Yeah, there was a lot of good spots in this match,
• 1:05:45
  you know, him working that leg, that entire match with the submission
• 1:05:49
  moves. I thought, okay, this is how you're going to take good
• 1:05:51
  throughout his you know, take him out at the base and you know,
• 1:05:56
  break him that way. And you know, I was surprised with you know,
• 1:06:00
  MS had some good moves. He had the swinging d D t you
• 1:06:02
  know, I I didn't see Miss ever used that before, like a her
• 1:06:05
  karana d D tear or whatever. It was like a spin around. I
• 1:06:10
  don't even know, but uh it was really well done. Uh you know,
• 1:06:16
  good There didn't beat him with a pin so he hasn't been in the
• 1:06:19
  miss yet and the mis might use that. You know, You're like,
• 1:06:23
  yeah, you beat me, I tacked, but guess what, you never
• 1:06:26
  pinned me. And that's how we can get a little bit more, you
• 1:06:30
  know, juice out of this out of this feud here. I mean Miss
• 1:06:34
  would get close and then gun There beat him down and get close, and
• 1:06:38
  like they could have done that a couple more times. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:40
  yeah I did. Like when the Miz tried to slap the ship out of
• 1:06:45
  Good There, and you could hear the crowd. I was like, oh
• 1:06:47
  h, he didn't try. He succeeded like a motherfuckers. Like when he
• 1:06:53
  slapped him. I was just like just slap hell out. That's what I
• 1:06:59
  was gonna He's gotta slap the hell out. But yeah, but you know,
• 1:07:05
  good is just that that stock of his is just rising like he's already
• 1:07:10
  he's already there. He's already the longest rainy inter cottinal champion in history.
• 1:07:15
  So it's kind of like up in the air, like he could lose it
• 1:07:19
  any day now. And I feel like he has to write because because in
• 1:07:25
  another twenty thirty as whenever, when they want to beat this record, they're
• 1:07:29
  gonna have to keep the title on somebody, you know, even longer exactly,
• 1:07:33
  but I would think and a half and I stand they're setting the the
• 1:07:39
  modern day you know, the modern day records. They're trying to erase all
• 1:07:45
  those older ones. I get it, but God, like, yeah,
• 1:07:50
  like he could hold onto this all the way up to WrestleMania if you wanted
• 1:07:54
  to. He could lose it at WrestleMania. I mean, I think if
• 1:07:58
  he was gonna lose it be a big pay per view. But you know,
• 1:08:00
  like the maze was so close. He had the low blow, he
• 1:08:04
  had, he had the he connected with his finisher, and you know,
• 1:08:11
  I thought he had it several times several times. But you know, then
• 1:08:15
  he made him tap. I was like, son of a bitch, but
• 1:08:18
  you know I was happy either way. I was happy either way. So
• 1:08:24
  Gouthy just keeps chugging along, just building that stock. The MAZ got a
• 1:08:28
  great fucking match. His stock rose a little. He may not have won,
• 1:08:31
  but you know, you know, people aren't don't want to forget that.
• 1:08:35
  Miss isn't a slaps Miss is a hard worker. Like the guy can
• 1:08:39
  still go like he's still here. You know, this guy was on a
• 1:08:43
  reality TV show, The Real World, and nobody took this man serious.
• 1:08:46
  And you know, look he's still here. You know his other buddies are
• 1:08:51
  long and gone, you know, Hit Dolph Ziggler long and gone. You
• 1:08:55
  know, the Miz is still here, He's and he's still on the pay
• 1:08:59
  per views. So I've extolled his virtues multiple times. I mean, he
• 1:09:05
  can do it all. He really can't. He can make you laugh,
• 1:09:09
  he can make you cry, he can make you angry, he can make
• 1:09:11
  you annoyed. He you know, he can and in terms of matches,
• 1:09:15
  and he can have a match, a believable match with a gun throw,
• 1:09:18
  or he can lose to snoop dogg. You know, like how many people
• 1:09:21
  can do that? You know what he is? I mean, and I
• 1:09:32
  think we will remember him after he's gone as like, holy ship, he
• 1:09:36
  was so fucking good and he is he really is. He'll go down as
• 1:09:45
  one of those guys that when when current wrestling fans are older wrestling fans and
• 1:09:53
  they're talking to younger friends about their generation, they're gonna, this is gonna
• 1:09:57
  be that guy that like, nah, y'all need to check out this guy.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah, he's gonna be that that person that people talk about like if
• 1:10:06
  you know, you know, like people, Yeah, people talk about the
• 1:10:10
  Romans, They'll talk about the seth Rollins and all of them, but they
• 1:10:13
  were like, nah, will you need to check out the miss around as
• 1:10:18
  a manager or some kind of on screen authority figure or something. I could
• 1:10:24
  see him after he retires from the ring. I could see him continuing to
• 1:10:28
  be around yea even you know Guther. Another one I thought of wo been
• 1:10:34
  a decent storyline is John Cena has never won the Inner Continental title. If
• 1:10:40
  he would win that title, that would make him a Grand Slam champion.
• 1:10:42
  Finally, it's it's unbelievable that that man is not a Grand Slam champion.
• 1:10:47
  He's done everything else, everything, everything under the fucking sun, but win
• 1:10:53
  that icy title. So that would be a good story going into the feud
• 1:10:58
  for Guther and John Cena. And you know, if John Cena wins it,
• 1:11:02
  it's similar to like, you know, it's kind of like what shame
• 1:11:05
  has had on the stakes, Like I've never won that icy title and that's
• 1:11:09
  all I need to be the Grand Slam Champion. Like the same storyline,
• 1:11:14
  very similar, but like the credibility he would get or beating John Cena,
• 1:11:17
  I mean pretty much everybody else is doing it, So just get in line.
• 1:11:20
  Uther, you want to get that notch in your belt? Why not?
• 1:11:26
  Hey, way you want to do me a favorite, You got to
• 1:11:29
  do me a favorite right quick way? You want to grab me a soda
• 1:11:30
  out of your fridge in the other room. With that reaching you're doing right
• 1:11:33
  now? Oh god, oh god, Hey, I'm reaching, but I'm
• 1:11:45
  writing it. I'm writing it, man, all right. They're listening right
• 1:11:47
  now, somebody from WW Corporates listening like this is a little better, I
• 1:11:50
  do you. Johnsena needs a master wrestle maating, so he's going through It's
• 1:11:55
  not bad. I do right, to itself. But we haven't seen Shamus
• 1:12:00
  in a while, get into existence, I guess. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:04
  yeah, we haven't seen for a while. He's been since he lost since
• 1:12:08
  the Edge match, right, Yes, its last time, so maybe he's
• 1:12:14
  retired as well. I doubt it, but he's gonna come back to aren't
• 1:12:18
  looking so good? Yeah? No, mm hmm without his guidance. Who
• 1:12:26
  knows. It's another another stable that might be breaking up soon. But uh
• 1:12:31
  yeah, that match, Yeah, if I had to, if I had
• 1:12:35
  to make a prediction, I predict that Gonter drops the title at the Rumble,
• 1:12:43
  just because part of me thinks that this WrestleMania, he's going to be
• 1:12:46
  in the world title picture, and I think in order for that to happen,
• 1:12:51
  he's got to drop the Icy Belt. So my guess is if I
• 1:12:56
  if I'm predicting, I would predict that he drops the Icy title at the
• 1:12:59
  Rumble, freeing himself up to enter the world title pitcher. Whether that's whether
• 1:13:04
  that's via elimination chamber match or as the World Rumble winner or what have you.
• 1:13:10
  But I think that's I think that's the future for Gunter. But moving
• 1:13:16
  on from that match, next up, we got Santos Escobar facing Dragon Lee
• 1:13:26
  in a one on one match, with Dragon Lee taking the place of a
• 1:13:29
  injured Carlito, and again, this match was this match was good. I'm
• 1:13:40
  not even gonna sit here in front like this was actually a pretty good match.
• 1:13:44
  I kind of feel about this match the way, uh Doyle, the
• 1:13:47
  way you felt about the match between Gunter and the mist. I felt this
• 1:13:51
  match was short and deserved more time because these guys were like really cooking in
• 1:13:58
  that ring and getting there chance to like really showcase what they could do,
• 1:14:02
  and before you knew it, it was over, and I was like,
• 1:14:08
  damn, that's it, Like that's all we get. I really thought that
• 1:14:12
  these guys could have they left some meat on the bone. And I don't
• 1:14:16
  know if that's because this feud's going to continue between these two or what,
• 1:14:20
  but yeah, this is the match that I wanted to see more of because
• 1:14:26
  they were really hitting all the all those high flying moves and a lot of
• 1:14:30
  innovative offense that you don't typically see from, you know, other from the
• 1:14:36
  bigger guys and even necessarily from all the high flyers. Sometimes like this was
• 1:14:43
  not full on Lucha libre, but about as close to lucha libre as you
• 1:14:47
  can get and probably in today's WWE. So I really like this match.
• 1:14:55
  I really enjoyed obviously Santo's escabar one that shouldn't come as much of a surprise
• 1:14:59
  to anybody. He's on his solo run right now, so we'll see how
• 1:15:03
  far he gets pushed. But yeah, obviously he won this match. But
• 1:15:06
  dragon Ly, as much as I enjoy dragon Ly in the ring and I
• 1:15:12
  and I do, he he hasn't obvious seen a single bad match from him.
• 1:15:16
  I'm kind of fearful that he's gonna turn into a glorified jobber, like
• 1:15:21
  he's gonna be that name that they put out there, because he can have
• 1:15:25
  a great match with anybody, but he's never gonna win anything because he is
• 1:15:29
  on quite a bit of a losing streak right now, outside of the few
• 1:15:32
  the matches he's had with those who are, you know, perceived to be
• 1:15:36
  beneath him on the card, like the Cedric Alexander's or old Boy that they
• 1:15:43
  brought up from uh NXC that had that he had that bang of a match
• 1:15:46
  with on SmackDown recently, So I'm AXI him or something like that. Yeah,
• 1:15:57
  yeah, now that was a Lotererly match. That was a fucking phenomenal
• 1:16:02
  match, and I was pissed at that goddamn what was an Indiana audience because
• 1:16:06
  I felt like they weren't appreciating that match. The weight deserved to be appreciated.
• 1:16:12
  I was like, Oh, no, y'all had this match in the
• 1:16:14
  wrong place, Like this match should have been in freaking l Passo, Texas
• 1:16:16
  or something like that where a crowd could really appreciate this shit. Indiana don't
• 1:16:20
  know what they looking at. But anyway, back to the Santos and dragon
• 1:16:26
  Ly match, Like I said, good match, a lot of innovative offense,
• 1:16:30
  a lot of great spots, but it ran short and that was and
• 1:16:35
  I wanted more. I wanted more from the match. Hopefully maybe they get
• 1:16:40
  a maybe they get a rematch, or they get something, but they they
• 1:16:45
  need to give these guys time to cook, and really a lot of these
• 1:16:47
  loose doors needed to give them time to really cook and showcase and do what
• 1:16:51
  they show what they can really do in the rank because they bring something unique.
• 1:16:56
  They bring something special to the matches that you don't see from other You
• 1:17:01
  don't see it from the bigs, you don't see it from the even the
• 1:17:04
  smaller guys in the w W, Like, you see stuff from these guys
• 1:17:10
  that you don't even see from Ricochet, and Ricochet is probably one of the
• 1:17:13
  best high flyers w W hasn't one of the most innovative, and he doesn't
• 1:17:16
  even pull some of the stuff that you get when you get to Luca Doors
• 1:17:23
  in the ring. Well, you know, man, that's why you couldn't
• 1:17:26
  sleep on that first hour night trial because the hangers they were putting on the
• 1:17:33
  park and fucking Young Ray and Young Eddie and Psychosis hoving Tu Psychosis Hoover two
• 1:17:43
  Carrera. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean fucking de Malanca not a lucha
• 1:17:46
  le right, but you know a guy that would have him if he couldn't
• 1:17:48
  bang with him? Oh yeah, no, no, yeah yeah fuck yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Like I want to see that ship, like w W if you if
• 1:18:00
  y'all can bring that ship back. Yeah, I know that's some wishful ass
• 1:18:02
  thinking, but you got some people on the roster that can do something close.
• 1:18:08
  Because we had two zero five live at one point we had to cruise
• 1:18:11
  aweight Division back thinking that it would give guys like this a spotlight, and
• 1:18:15
  I just think it was just booked wrong. I think making its own entity
• 1:18:20
  was probably the problem. Making everything purple. I hated that purple belt,
• 1:18:27
  but like I remember, like I mean, it was nice seeing those guys
• 1:18:30
  being able to, you know, have their moment and have a title for
• 1:18:34
  them. You know, maybe I never I don't see you know, guys
• 1:18:40
  like Dragon Lee fighting Broco Listener anytime soon. So you know, it'd be
• 1:18:44
  nice for like somebody like Dragon Lee, Mude and Santrancisco or compete for like
• 1:18:47
  a cruiserweight title. You could have like people like Finn Ballard, you know,
• 1:18:53
  uh JD McDonough, you could probably do it, Ray mystereo. There's
• 1:18:58
  just a list of so many guys in that weight class that could just fill
• 1:19:01
  that spot. But you know, I get it people going to bring up
• 1:19:05
  all the problems that there was before by think it was booking. That's all
• 1:19:09
  it was, was just booking because there was no title involved in this match,
• 1:19:13
  and this was a pretty solid match to throw it right in the middle
• 1:19:16
  of the pay per view, especially for a last minute replacement, you know,
• 1:19:20
  Dragon Lye just out of nowhere, you know, just yeah, I'm
• 1:19:25
  good, I'm good to go, I got my mask. Let's do it.
• 1:19:28
  So and he delivered. Yeah. Interesting, I wrote that down.
• 1:19:30
  Do we know it was Carlado legitimately injured or was that just a story line
• 1:19:36
  because that made like it seemed to be storyline at least the way they booked
• 1:19:41
  it. Now unless now, if he has some sort of pre existing injury
• 1:19:45
  and then they booked it to you know, they wrote him off with the
• 1:19:47
  KFE injury, but I don't I don't know when he would have gotten the
• 1:19:53
  injury because he's only had one match since he's been back on that was the
• 1:19:57
  match with Bobby Lashley, right, Yeah, he just got Yes, I'm
• 1:20:01
  thinking it's more. I think it was more k FAB than anything. I
• 1:20:05
  just I don't know why they didn't just make this match the match in the
• 1:20:09
  first place. You know, why didn't Dragon le go to Carlito and say
• 1:20:13
  like, hey please let me do you know why did they have to make
• 1:20:17
  this injury angle? Didn't make any sense? Yeah? Yeah, I agree
• 1:20:20
  with that. To touch on what you said Wayne about them about the amount
• 1:20:27
  of people they have on this roster that they could do quote Cruiserwey Stiles stuff
• 1:20:32
  with and how the problem with it was booking, I too, was it.
• 1:20:36
  I agree with you to a certain extent, how that they could do
• 1:20:40
  this stuff. However, I don't want them to bring back a cruiserweight title
• 1:20:44
  for it because of all the problems that you mentioned that existed with the Cruiserweight
• 1:20:48
  I would much rather see just this style just be showcased and let it be
• 1:20:55
  featured as part of a United States Championship feud. Like, just because you
• 1:21:01
  have this specific style of wrestling doesn't mean you have to isolate it to its
• 1:21:05
  own little bubble, Like you don't have to put this out like, Okay,
• 1:21:10
  there's this style of wrestling and we're only going to limit it to cruise
• 1:21:14
  weight, because then you're limiting the wrestling itself. They're limiting it its own
• 1:21:19
  potential. But if you give it a platform like the United States Championship,
• 1:21:24
  where say Santos is the champion, he captures the US title or whatever,
• 1:21:29
  and now he's defending it, but he happens to be defending it on a
• 1:21:33
  big stage against another Mexican wrestler and they're having a grand luchador style match for
• 1:21:42
  that title, then you get to showcase the performance. You get to showcase
• 1:21:46
  that style of wrestling without confining it to a lower tier bubble. You get
• 1:21:53
  to have it. It gets the spotlight it deserves via a US title and
• 1:21:59
  people can and see it and appreciate it. And because it's the US title
• 1:22:02
  match, you can let it cook for longer than this, you know,
• 1:22:08
  twelve or thirteen minutes that this match, guy, you know, you can
• 1:22:11
  let them have a good twenty twenty five minute match where they just go at
• 1:22:14
  it, you know, and have something like that. You can have like
• 1:22:17
  what Eddie Guerrero and Rayven Stereo had back in the day, even though that
• 1:22:21
  match was for the television title, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe it
• 1:22:25
  was a cruiseweight title match, but at least back then, WCW respected the
• 1:22:29
  cruiseweight title far more than the WWE has ever done. Yeah that's true.
• 1:22:33
  But yeah, let them cook and let them do it on a platform that
• 1:22:38
  can really showcase them and showcase what they can do. And I think that'll
• 1:22:43
  go far further. That would be far more beneficial than trying to bring back
• 1:22:47
  a title that quite frankly, the WWE universe has never really cared about.
• 1:22:55
  Correct, But yeah, I really enjoyed this match, you know, just
• 1:23:01
  the middle of the road match, but kept kept me interested because sometimes you
• 1:23:08
  have those roller coaster matches where you get one good one, then a banger
• 1:23:12
  match, and then you get a ship match, and then you get another
• 1:23:14
  banger then another ship match. No, this wasn't one, and like there
• 1:23:18
  was a point where I was like, I might go to the bathroom and
• 1:23:20
  you know, go make some neat but I was I stayed because I was
• 1:23:24
  interested. It was seven minutes and forty seconds, but they it's just the
• 1:23:28
  right time for these two kind of guys. They got some holy shit chance
• 1:23:30
  and so yeah, they delivered, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I'm a
• 1:23:38
  dre this this This should have been longer, I thought, and then just
• 1:23:42
  another another just kind of abrupt like up, it's over now, like ended.
• 1:23:47
  All three of these singles matches just kind of ended. And yeah,
• 1:23:53
  I mean I feel like what's gonna happen is like this is the match they
• 1:23:58
  should have on SmackDown, and then they have the twenty minute banger on pay
• 1:24:01
  per view, and I'm afraid that what's gonna happen is we get this match
• 1:24:05
  now and then we get the twenty minute banger on SmackDown, you know,
• 1:24:11
  interrupted by a commercial, and it's just you know, and this is what
• 1:24:14
  I meant by like not having the Big Four feel, you know, like
• 1:24:18
  there's nothing at stake here. You know, it's not a long match.
• 1:24:25
  It kind of don't feel like they get enough time, and like, this
• 1:24:30
  doesn't feel like one of the biggest a match from one of the biggest shows
• 1:24:32
  of the year. Not that the guys didn't work their ass off and weren't
• 1:24:35
  what they got they did well with, but it's not just doesn't feel like
• 1:24:41
  Survivor series, you know what I mean. This doesn't feel like WrestleMania or
• 1:24:45
  the Royal Rumble or you know, it's a fine match, but it doesn't
• 1:24:48
  feel like a Big Four match. Thank god they fucking turned Santo's heel though
• 1:24:56
  he's so much more interested. He was such a bland, blah milk toast
• 1:25:01
  babyface. So I'm glad, and I really like Dragonly, but yeah,
• 1:25:09
  like Drace, I'm afraid he's gonna end up being a Jobert uh maybe maybe
• 1:25:15
  a job or to the stars, but a job or nonetheless. Yeah,
• 1:25:20
  we finally got here with Santo Escobar even and I agree with you, he
• 1:25:26
  is much more interesting as a heel than he was as a baby face.
• 1:25:30
  But I still maintained that he, like I said, we finally got here,
• 1:25:35
  but we could have taken a much better and far more interesting path to
• 1:25:40
  getting here than what they gave us. Yeah, but he can go man.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah, but again past this pass and we're here now. So hopefully
• 1:25:51
  he hopefully they do something with him as a heel, and hopefully he can
• 1:25:57
  take advantage of this opportunity to really build him self up as in addition to
• 1:26:01
  WW booking him in some quality programs that can allow him to showcase what he's
• 1:26:08
  really capable of. So following this match, we got the penultimate match of
• 1:26:17
  Ria Ripley defending the Women's World Championship against Zoe Stark. And this match,
• 1:26:28
  I would say, out of the three non War Games matches, this one
• 1:26:35
  was probably the weakest of the three in all honesty. It was a good
• 1:26:43
  match, but wasn't really a whole lot noteworthy that really happened in this match.
• 1:26:50
  It was pretty paint by numbers. I mean, it was kind of
• 1:26:55
  nice that we got a little bit of brawl before the match even started,
• 1:26:58
  Like, you know, Zoe, he's just hopping on Ria immediately and just
• 1:27:02
  getting right to it. You know, that's showing that level of aggression,
• 1:27:06
  that that that hunger I guess from her and her desire to be champion.
• 1:27:13
  But ultimately, once the match got going, it was fairly paint by numbers.
• 1:27:17
  I can't I'm even struggling now to think of anything really noteworthy that happened
• 1:27:24
  in this match that I really remember, Like, I can't really think of
• 1:27:27
  a whole lot. Like Zoe, he kind of pushed her, pushed Ria
• 1:27:31
  to the limit. Rhea, as she always does, does a phenomenal job
• 1:27:35
  of selling for her opponents and making them look great in the fucking ring.
• 1:27:42
  Well she, like I said, she's always been great at that. But
• 1:27:45
  then, like you had alluded to before, Doyle, the match just ended.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah, going at it, they were cooking, they were, you
• 1:27:56
  know, getting things going. You're thinking, this match is gonna ran up,
• 1:28:00
  it's gonna build up, maybe we're gonna get to the the third act
• 1:28:03
  of this match or something, and then nope, headbutt ripped tide done.
• 1:28:08
  It was like, oh, okay, yeah that's how that ends. Huh
• 1:28:14
  So, yeah, like this match was the other matches, while I felt
• 1:28:18
  like y'all did that, they were good but deserved to be longer, left
• 1:28:25
  me wanting more. This one just kind of I wasn't left with that feeling
• 1:28:30
  after this match of like, damn, I wanted more of it. Like
• 1:28:33
  I felt like it was just like, ugh, maybe y'all should have Maybe
• 1:28:40
  had y'all made more of the time that y'all had, I would have been
• 1:28:43
  left wanting more. Despite the fact that it was an abrupt finish. I
• 1:28:46
  felt like the abrupt finish just kind of made a or was already a just
• 1:28:53
  a kind of a mid match, and it just kind of dragged it down
• 1:28:57
  further rather than you know, wetting my appetite for more because it abrupted so
• 1:29:03
  early. But yeah, where were you at on this match? Wayne?
• 1:29:09
  I mean, dude, this one wasn't too memorable with the match. If
• 1:29:13
  we're looking for the weakest link of the five, unfortunately it's this one.
• 1:29:18
  I mean not saying that like these girls were watching all over the place,
• 1:29:24
  you know, I it's just a normal Ria match. I mean, she
• 1:29:30
  just dominated, That's what. She's just hot right now. She's just I
• 1:29:33
  just didn't believe it going into the pay per view that Zoe Stark was a
• 1:29:39
  legit threat. I mean, you've only been here for like six months and
• 1:29:42
  really the only thing you've done was team with Trish, Like you haven't really
• 1:29:46
  gotten me to You won like a fatal, a fatal four way or whatever,
• 1:29:50
  so you kind of don't have me believing that you're a legit threat to
• 1:29:55
  Rhea. And Ria is also hot and cold because she's dealing. She's always
• 1:30:01
  doing Judgment day stuff, right, but like her personal feuds just are just
• 1:30:06
  aren't as strong right now. I'm thinking Rumble and after towards WrestleMania will focus
• 1:30:14
  more on a solid feud for her. Right now, it's just seemed like,
• 1:30:17
  uh, you know, Zoe was just another notch in you know,
• 1:30:23
  her her belt here, but Ria just dominating once again. I mean,
• 1:30:29
  I think this would have been a match I would have been content with on
• 1:30:30
  raw. I didn't need to see it here. You know, Real looking
• 1:30:36
  looking great as ever. You know her hansless chaps, so you know Pan
• 1:30:45
  homage and Sean Michaels I see kind of but uh yeah, shout out to
• 1:30:51
  who did Ria Ripley's hair. That's probably about the most memorable thing from this
• 1:30:56
  match for me. Yeah, yeah, her hair. And then you know
• 1:31:00
  Air was looking right, yeah, Air was looking good. So we had
• 1:31:03
  like the big scarred, the call marks across their face. Good good,
• 1:31:10
  good for you. Yeah, weird, but I don't know the I know
• 1:31:15
  the reasoning for that. Does you guys find it like weird that, Like,
• 1:31:20
  I know, this is a little off subject here, but like when
• 1:31:23
  they're wrestling and you kind of forget that there's still another ring in there,
• 1:31:28
  you know, next to them, they find ways they don't They don't use
• 1:31:31
  it at all, They don't incorporate it at all. They just keep everything
• 1:31:35
  three sided. Uh. It's also gonna suck though, if you're sitting you
• 1:31:41
  know, up towards the ramp area, farther away from the ring that they're
• 1:31:45
  using. Well, what's that They alternated, Yeah, they alternated, but
• 1:31:55
  in the second ring, third match. Yeah, but if you're in the
• 1:32:00
  front row, you know certain at a certain spot you're gonna get fuck fifty
• 1:32:03
  the time. So but either way, yeah, this was a yeah kind
• 1:32:13
  of match. You know, I can't really think of some really good high
• 1:32:16
  spots that I remember, Uh, you know, I I think from the
• 1:32:21
  memes that I've been seeing online, the only high spot from this was really
• 1:32:28
  using the bottom rope as dental floss for her ass. Anybody that Yeah,
• 1:32:38
  So that's a good you know, that's a good point that you bring up,
• 1:32:41
  though with the fact that as yeah, well that aside, I would,
• 1:32:46
  but I was actually getting I mean, it's a good point, but
• 1:32:50
  I was talking about the the fact that they had both rings there the entire
• 1:32:56
  night, and yet not a single one of the uh individual individual matches between
• 1:33:02
  the wargames matches took advantage of that, like is it a ring. Can
• 1:33:09
  you get counted out if you jump from one ring to the other ring?
• 1:33:13
  I would think so, yes, but you're still you're still technically in the
• 1:33:17
  ring, just not that ring, right ring. Yeah, that would have
• 1:33:23
  been me trying to get it on a technicality of like, no, I'm
• 1:33:26
  still in the ring. You didn't say which ring it had to be in.
• 1:33:29
  Ref Yeah. Yeah, even if it's just for like a fun spot
• 1:33:32
  or something, you would think that in one of these somebody would have somebody
• 1:33:36
  would have thought of waiting another ring. Yeah, even if it's just you
• 1:33:42
  do it for like a cool spot or something like that, or you know,
• 1:33:45
  somebody dives from one ring to the other after somebody, or you know,
• 1:33:48
  the the or taken advantage of the fact that you do have fans like
• 1:33:54
  you said, fans on all ends of it, you know, let these
• 1:33:58
  people fight across both rings. Like you know, Zoe was beating the crap
• 1:34:01
  out of re and Ria needed a break. So but rather than get out
• 1:34:05
  of the ring and go see outside for the break, she left that ring
• 1:34:08
  and went to the other ring to try to get away from her, and
• 1:34:11
  then Zoe chased her into the other ring, and they just kept scrapping,
• 1:34:15
  and referee follows them and now they're fighting that other ring. Like just something
• 1:34:18
  like that could have been a little touch of creativity to just add a little
• 1:34:23
  something extra to the show, to the matches, and just acknowledge the fact
• 1:34:28
  that, yeah, there's two rings here, do something with them. I
• 1:34:34
  bet they were. That's a I mean, because no one did even thought
• 1:34:40
  that. No one even teased it. You know, yeah, they were
• 1:34:43
  told for whatever they I agree they probably were told not to, But that
• 1:34:47
  was that seems to me like a weird choice, to weird decision to make,
• 1:34:53
  like to tell them, like keep your matches to the one ring,
• 1:34:55
  Like why you're telling me? Santos and and freaking dragon Ly couldn't have come
• 1:35:01
  up with something sick between those two rings. Yeah, even though like having
• 1:35:08
  the two sets of ropes right next to each other. Crazy ship. Like,
• 1:35:13
  I know, Dragon le could have done something nasty with that. He's
• 1:35:15
  probably looking at them and it's like, yo, yo, Hunter, I
• 1:35:20
  got a plan. Nah man, Nah, why the fuck not? Nah
• 1:35:24
  man, God damn it. Mm hmm yeah, event and take it mm
• 1:35:31
  hmm. Yeah. It's especially like how often are you going to have that
• 1:35:36
  type of a setup for a show? Pretty much once a year, once
• 1:35:43
  a goddamn year. Fucking make the most of that ship. But it is
• 1:35:49
  what it is. Yeah, I mean, Zoe didn't have a prayer here.
• 1:35:56
  You know, she did a nice enough job, but that's you know,
• 1:36:00
  that's what she was there for. Do the job. You know.
• 1:36:03
  Damn it, My damn thing just went off, okay, And yeah,
• 1:36:08
  I mean, uh, you know, oh, I know what it's gonna
• 1:36:11
  say, Like, unlike the Intercontinental title match, like this was a David
• 1:36:15
  Goliath match in which, not ever, for a single solitary second, did
• 1:36:20
  you think that David might actually win. Right, There's like there was no
• 1:36:24
  moment where I thought Zoe had a chance. You know, just from from
• 1:36:29
  Jump Street, you were like, well, obviously Zoe shall lose, So
• 1:36:32
  what the hell's the point. You know, Rhea undeniably is fucking amazing,
• 1:36:38
  but her kind of title reign has not been Somebody said that because yeah,
• 1:36:44
  she's mostly been doing Judgment Day stuff, and that stuff's been awesome, but
• 1:36:46
  her title reign has kind of been lackluster, which kind of sucks. I
• 1:36:50
  don't know it's all entirely her fault. But Zoe is growing on. You
• 1:36:56
  know, I'll think what she might be. She might be my rookie of
• 1:36:59
  the oh yeah, but yeah, this is this. She has the talent,
• 1:37:06
  she has the ability, and we talked about that little corkscrew move she
• 1:37:11
  does off the rope. That's cool. She needs to work on her character.
• 1:37:15
  She doesn't have much much character. She can go in the ring,
• 1:37:20
  yeah, but she can, absolutely, she can tear it up in the
• 1:37:24
  ring. But you're right, her character needs development, to say the least.
• 1:37:30
  But I think I think she has as good a chance of getting there
• 1:37:31
  as anybody. Yeah, it'll come with time. It'll come with time.
• 1:37:38
  I think everybody's almost every great wrestler in w W has has wound up being
• 1:37:47
  something different than what they started off as. Oh sure, so yeah,
• 1:37:53
  right now we're just seeing her as she's starting off at some point, hopefully
• 1:37:58
  she will find that character and find who she is. Yeah, I mean
• 1:38:03
  this this again. This didn't have a big big four feel either, But
• 1:38:09
  despite the fact that it's a women's championship match, it just it felt like
• 1:38:13
  it could have been on Raw. Yeah, SmackDown the Help whichever one there
• 1:38:17
  I can't Raw Yeah yeah, but you know, and not to change subject
• 1:38:24
  too much, but just big four field matches and just thinking about it off
• 1:38:27
  the top of my head and taking advantage of the two rings that they had.
• 1:38:30
  What did they just do on Raw this past Monday, that tag team
• 1:38:33
  Turmoil match right to determine the number one contender? What if they would have
• 1:38:38
  done that match on the Survivors Series show instead it and done it like real
• 1:38:43
  tag team turmoil, not just one match where okay, these guys win,
• 1:38:47
  these wrestle one gets paying entered, the next one. You got two rings.
• 1:38:53
  They would have had two matches going on at the same time, exactly
• 1:38:57
  two matches going on. Two tag team matches happened at the exact same time,
• 1:39:01
  and then the winners of those two matches face each other at the end
• 1:39:06
  to determine the number one contender. Would have been fucking They could do that
• 1:39:13
  year. Yeah, they could do that yearly, you know when they have
• 1:39:19
  you know, every year they have a big tag team thing that can be
• 1:39:24
  an annual thing. Yeah, tag team turmoal to determine your number one contender
• 1:39:29
  or something like that. And they could have done that match they they did
• 1:39:32
  on Raw on some on Survivor series, made it unique, made it special,
• 1:39:36
  took advantage of the two rings, and that match instead of just being
• 1:39:43
  limited to Raw, is showcasing your tag teams on a pay per view,
• 1:39:47
  giving them a platform to really perform and really cook and highlight your tag team
• 1:39:53
  division and show people that you actually give a shit about it and that it's
• 1:39:57
  not just a time killer on Raw or SmackDown. It gets back to mind,
• 1:40:00
  we don't need two more games matches because you don't have time for anything
• 1:40:05
  else. Really, you know, there isn't there wouldn't have been time for
• 1:40:11
  that that. I mean that how much How long was that match on Raw?
• 1:40:15
  Twenty minutes? Twenty five minutes? They didn't have twenty minutes. They
• 1:40:18
  didn't have more than eight minutes for twice split at the same time, split
• 1:40:27
  the time. I don't know. Yeah, like but or they could have
• 1:40:31
  just added this on and you know what if this paper, if this plea
• 1:40:34
  would have gone three and a half hours, I don't think anybody would have
• 1:40:38
  tripped about it if it was if it was filled with good shit. Yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Like we start to people don't really start, we don't really start to
• 1:40:45
  complain about the pay per views, and so they've reached get into the four
• 1:40:46
  hour mark until we're looking at our clock and or watching it's like eleven forty
• 1:40:53
  five and we're like, goddamn, oh my god, yeah, like that's
• 1:40:57
  still happened. Then we start to complain. But if it was to like
• 1:41:00
  eleven twenty or eleven twenty five, and we get to the finish, we're
• 1:41:04
  like, okay, as long as it was a good show. Yeah.
• 1:41:10
  Well, I mean the past couple shows have been like this and they what
• 1:41:15
  else again coincidence since the since they Endeavor deal went through, and I think
• 1:41:23
  part of their thing they want things streamlined. I think I think they want
• 1:41:26
  the shows not to be as long and not to be as packed. And
• 1:41:30
  Hunter at the last one talked about you know, quality over quantity quantity,
• 1:41:36
  which is all well and good, but we didn't get either really we didn't
• 1:41:42
  get a whole lot of quantity, and our quality was you're only going to
• 1:41:45
  give us three matches, make them all fucking you know, four star matches,
• 1:41:49
  you know, and they weren't. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 1:41:54
  Like now, Triple H says that Endeavor doesn't interfere much and they pretty much
• 1:41:58
  let them do their thing. Wwe so well, they're not saying have have
• 1:42:02
  her fight her and her fight her, but they are saying, don't you
• 1:42:06
  go over three fifteen? You know, I could see maybe, but I
• 1:42:12
  think if anybody sure, sure, sure, But I think if anybody would
• 1:42:17
  take an issue with the time of the pl being them wanting it more or
• 1:42:23
  less, I would think it would probably be Peacock more than Endeavor or TKO,
• 1:42:30
  given that it's actually, you know, Peacock is the one broadcasting or
• 1:42:33
  streaming it, and I don't know if Peacock, I don't know which side
• 1:42:38
  of the fence Peacock would land on whether they would want these pls to be
• 1:42:42
  longer or shorter. I think it would probably depend on what type of numbers
• 1:42:46
  they're seeing when these things happen, Like if they're seeing a huge imagine,
• 1:42:50
  they're obviously seeing a spike and you know viewership or people you know logging into
• 1:42:56
  the app when these things come on. But are they seeing a large enough
• 1:43:00
  spike to say, hey, make these shows longer so that way people are
• 1:43:05
  logged into our app for a longer period of times. That way we can
• 1:43:11
  get more ads and and shit. Because obviously, you know, if you're
• 1:43:15
  not unless you're paying for the highest tier of Peacock, then in between matches
• 1:43:18
  you're getting flooded with regular commercials. Yeah, if you're if you are paying
• 1:43:26
  for the highest tier, then you get whatever that you know, when Michael
• 1:43:30
  Cole says let's look at the story of how this match came about, then
• 1:43:32
  you're getting that recap. But for everybody else when that happens, it just
• 1:43:36
  cuts to regular old fucking commercials like you're streaming any other show. So if
• 1:43:44
  Peacock is seeing a huge spike and you know, people fucking to their app
• 1:43:48
  during wwpl E s, they may want it to be longer so that way
• 1:43:53
  they can get more ad spots during the POE, which would in turn bring
• 1:43:57
  in more ad revenue, which I would think would probably make you know,
• 1:44:04
  Endeavor and TKO happy. Like you said, this could all be speculation as
• 1:44:13
  well. Yeah, I mean, who knows, Maybe when one of us
• 1:44:16
  gets in the board room we can report back. But yeah, I'll ask
• 1:44:24
  at the next press conference. Yeah, yeah, we get some credentials.
• 1:44:30
  Man, total side note again getting away from the pl yourself, but post
• 1:44:35
  pl at the press conference, there were a number of people who asked questions
• 1:44:42
  at that press conference that I met at Blurred Con earlier this year, And
• 1:44:46
  just on a personal note, it was really dope to see people who I
• 1:44:50
  like met and spoke to and talked and shared the same room with at Blurred
• 1:44:56
  Con at that post Survivor series press conference asking questions of Becky Lynch and Charlotte
• 1:45:03
  Flair and and I think even Triple Ah. Want got to ask Triple Ah
• 1:45:08
  a question. But yeah, again toll side note, but that was cool.
• 1:45:12
  So shout out to Jabbers tears, shout out to those wrestling girls.
• 1:45:16
  Yes. So moving on from that, we got to our main event of
• 1:45:24
  the evening, which was the Men's Wargame match, which saw the Judgment Day
• 1:45:30
  members Damian Priest, Finn Balor, Dirty Dominique, Mysterio, and j D
• 1:45:36
  McDonough taking on the Super Friends with featuring Clark Kent aka Cody Rhodes, Seth
• 1:45:46
  the Dark Knight, Rollins, Jay the Flash USO, and Green Sammy's Ain
• 1:45:55
  Lantern. I was waiting to see if you're gonna make anybody aqua man.
• 1:46:04
  I was just about to do that with Randy Orton. Brandy go talk to
• 1:46:09
  some fishes. I was trying to decide where called Randy Orton the Martian Manhunter
• 1:46:15
  or aqua man. But yeah, either way, this match itself was obviously
• 1:46:25
  going into the match, the whole storyline of it was was Randy Orton gonna
• 1:46:30
  show up? Was he not? Because they had been they pretty much played
• 1:46:32
  that up from the very beginning of the paper view of the poe of you
• 1:46:36
  know, of Seth confronting Cody like is he here? Is he gonna show
• 1:46:42
  up? Or is he not? And Cody's like, oh no, what
• 1:46:45
  you mean? Yo? Know? Did you not talk to the guy?
• 1:46:46
  Did he not say yo, I'm on my way, like yo, I'm
• 1:46:48
  at the airport, Like hey, I just landed. Nothing like. Cody's
• 1:46:51
  like, he's gonna be here, man, He's gonna be here. Just
• 1:46:55
  trust me, trust me, He's gonna show Yeah, okay, motherfuckert put
• 1:46:59
  some GPS on that's some bitch telling them to goddamn drop a pin somewhere.
• 1:47:03
  Yeah, that ship was so fucking overdone. Uh, And I mean,
• 1:47:08
  I guess I get why they did it because they a I mean, I
• 1:47:13
  don't know, I think they know. They didn't want to waste that pop.
• 1:47:17
  You know, Yeah, they didn't want to have him come out and
• 1:47:20
  then go stand in a cage for twenty minutes. You know what I mean,
• 1:47:23
  you kind of ruin it, So I get, but it was just
• 1:47:27
  so fucking forced and artificial and obviously I mean it was just I mean,
• 1:47:33
  I guess they were trying to swear about Oh maybe it would be somebody else.
• 1:47:36
  I don't know, you know, they like it so overdone, like
• 1:47:42
  saying his name, They're like, oh, the Apex Predator. You know,
• 1:47:45
  we had a legacy together. It's like, okay, dude, yeah,
• 1:47:51
  why can't you just save or right? Like, we get it,
• 1:47:56
  we know. But ultimately it did kind of payoff because the match yourself,
• 1:48:02
  was fairly standard, fair throughout them, throughout up until we got to the
• 1:48:10
  final reveal of you know, the final countdown, is he gonna come?
• 1:48:15
  And then silence and then they hit us with Ria Ripley's theme and she runs
• 1:48:20
  out with Damnian priest's money in the bank briefcase and a referee like he's gonna
• 1:48:27
  cash it, And I'm like, really, see, I thought that,
• 1:48:30
  Yeah, I said that before the for the match. How great would it
• 1:48:33
  if he if he did that at the beginning? And then he has his
• 1:48:36
  own referen He's just trying to pin Cody. He's not paying attention to anything
• 1:48:40
  else. He's just trying to pin or not Cody. Uh, he's trying
• 1:48:44
  to pin seth uh and he's not paying attention to anything else. Yeah.
• 1:48:48
  Yeah. So when they finally did it, I was like, honestly,
• 1:48:53
  for a for a brief moment, I kind of bought in on it,
• 1:48:56
  like, Okay, are they really about to try to do this? Then
• 1:48:59
  obviously enter Brady Orton's music to a thunderous pop. They hit Orton's music too
• 1:49:06
  soon, waited another beat or two. You know, they need to figure
• 1:49:15
  out something else to do other than the I'm going to cast into this contract,
• 1:49:19
  which contract? This one right here? Oh? That contract that's the
• 1:49:24
  one. Yes, Yes, that's it. Just take it and fuck,
• 1:49:27
  like, why do you have to go through this history? This ridiculous this
• 1:49:30
  whole dramatic. Are you sure you want to do it? Yes? Are
• 1:49:32
  you sure? Yes? Yes? Why does the person I don't know what
• 1:49:36
  it is, what is it? Explain it to me? Yes? Like
• 1:49:41
  why does the person even need the briefcase at all? Like there's still the
• 1:49:44
  money in the bank winner, and they should be able to just grab a
• 1:49:47
  referee and do it whenever, you know, just pop somebody and hit like
• 1:49:51
  a yo count three done. Yeah. It's like when somebody, when the
• 1:49:56
  bad guy steals the good guys championship belt or whatever, that person doesn't stop
• 1:50:00
  being the champion. Yeah, you know, like just because the money in
• 1:50:02
  the bank winner may not have the briefcase doesn't make them not the money in
• 1:50:06
  the bank briefcase holders specifically put it on the line in a match. Yeah.
• 1:50:13
  Little things like that always driving me crazy. But I thought they I
• 1:50:15
  thought they hit like they hit Orton's music too early, Like they didn't give
• 1:50:20
  us time enough to think like, oh shit, maybe they're actually gonna do
• 1:50:25
  this because they hit it so fa you know, I'm like, oh they're
• 1:50:27
  not. Yeah, has this not been the weakest fucking money in the bank,
• 1:50:32
  mister money in the bank, run anyone's ever had. How many times
• 1:50:36
  has he tried and failed or just been told straight up, oh you can't
• 1:50:41
  do it tonight, and he's got fucking four or five people. He never
• 1:50:45
  continued the corner of the champion alone. Like the only this isn't the weakest
• 1:50:51
  one. The only one I would say was worse than this was Austin Theories
• 1:50:55
  last year, just because Austin Theory was actually getting his ass whooped with his
• 1:50:58
  own briefcase trying to cash in on people. I feel like that was over
• 1:51:02
  by now. It didn't go on this long. I don't like he's had
• 1:51:08
  the briefcase for like nine months now, you know, like, when the
• 1:51:12
  fuck did Austin Theory actually cash in? Now that I think about it,
• 1:51:15
  I can't because I don't remember him ever actually trying to cash in. He
• 1:51:23
  probably didn't, just have a lot of failed that just goes show how yeah,
• 1:51:27
  how forgettable it was, because literally the last thing I remember was him
• 1:51:30
  trying to cash in as Summer Slam and brock Lessler literally taking the briefcase from
• 1:51:34
  him and beating the ship out of him with it, which was fucking hilarious.
• 1:51:39
  I think my favorite one is like there was one where somebody tried to
• 1:51:43
  cash in and Brock took the briefcase and like threw it as far as he
• 1:51:45
  could. Oh yeah, but yes, but I mean, at least Amian
• 1:51:51
  Priest isn't getting his ass kicked with his own briefcase. He's just somebody else
• 1:51:56
  is always interfering and cutting him off before he can actually try to cash in,
• 1:52:00
  which again, you can only go to that well so many times before
• 1:52:03
  it just becomes stale and unbelievable and nobody buys in on it anymore. And
• 1:52:09
  whenever he does actually do it, is it gonna be a surprise, like,
• 1:52:12
  oh shit, he actually cashed in on it this time. Like if
• 1:52:15
  you're gonna keep pump faking on it, then when he finally does do it,
• 1:52:17
  he better damn well be successful with it. Mm hm, and and
• 1:52:24
  let that be the shock, like, holy shit, he actually cashed it
• 1:52:27
  in this time and he won. I still don't see him a world champion.
• 1:52:31
  That maybe that's just my hang up a man he has like I think
• 1:52:36
  I've said it before, but yeah, he's lost some of the momentum that
• 1:52:40
  he had had been gaining going into up through the money in the brank,
• 1:52:46
  money in the bank, pol I liked him better as a babyface before he
• 1:52:53
  joined Judgement Day. I liked I liked that version of the character better,
• 1:52:57
  and then he'll go back to that one Judgment data. But I never bought
• 1:53:00
  him as like this dark goth dude or whatever. Like when he was just
• 1:53:04
  like a surfer kind of Caribbean dude. I like that a lot better.
• 1:53:10
  Yeah, I don't know that Damian Priest, so I can't speak to that.
• 1:53:15
  It was like when it was like US Champion, like a couple of
• 1:53:20
  years ago. Yeah, I mean, you know, I thought this was
• 1:53:25
  a pretty good match. You know, the whole money in the bank briefcase
• 1:53:32
  attempt cash in. I always remember in the back of my head, like
• 1:53:35
  that's still a thing, you know, and I thought this may be kind
• 1:53:41
  of silly just to do it during this type of match. I guess that
• 1:53:45
  was the plan, though. I mean, you really know, other night
• 1:53:49
  of the week, you don't just the plans, not just like, hey,
• 1:53:53
  all of us are gonna go out there and we're gonna jump seth rollins
• 1:53:57
  and I'm gonna pin him one, two three, and that's gonna be the
• 1:53:59
  end of it. But no, it's just pissport planning on his part.
• 1:54:03
  I think after this match there's been some it looks like there's some tension with
• 1:54:09
  Damian Priest and the Judgment Day. You know what. I think if somebody's
• 1:54:14
  gonna be leaving the Judgment Day, it's gonna be Damian Priest. The question
• 1:54:18
  is is who's going to replace him? You know, because I don't think
• 1:54:23
  the Judgment Day will do very well with losing their big man. They're gonna
• 1:54:27
  need somebody else to take that place. I don't know who. I don't
• 1:54:31
  know at all who would fit that ma that if only there was somebody from
• 1:54:35
  the same continent as two other members of the group. Yeah, right,
• 1:54:41
  hmm. But yeah, you know the story of Drew not joining Judgment Day
• 1:54:49
  but takes part in this because he wants a piece of j Usso and we
• 1:54:54
  saw after on Monday night roll At their feud is definitely not done. Uh,
• 1:55:00
  you know all night alluding to oh may maybe Orton's gonna make it,
• 1:55:05
  maybe he's not. You know, you called him he's gonna be here.
• 1:55:10
  Yeah, he wants a paycheck. He's gonna fucking be here. We said
• 1:55:13
  he was gonna be here. He's billed as he's gonna be here. He's
• 1:55:15
  gonna fucking be here. People don't worry, you know, they're not gonna
• 1:55:19
  This guy's been gone for a year and a half. He's their one of
• 1:55:23
  their top stars. The guy hasn't missed a match since two thousand and two,
• 1:55:28
  twenty you know something years consecutive. He's he's always had a match.
• 1:55:31
  He's not gonna miss out on Survivors series, you know, and Randy Orton
• 1:55:36
  has always had a good Survivor Series record. I like to think, you
• 1:55:41
  know, always being like the last guy standing on his team or whatever.
• 1:55:45
  So it was kind of awkward the way they revealed it, you know,
• 1:55:50
  but he got a huge pop. You know, they did all the spots.
• 1:55:56
  I think my favorite spot of the night was the r KO from JD
• 1:56:00
  at the top of the cage. He j just like fell right into that.
• 1:56:04
  Uh you know, it's a big spot for that guy to take,
• 1:56:09
  you know, like you know, I mean one year Austin Theory took and
• 1:56:13
  have five from the from the top of a pod from the elimination chamber and
• 1:56:17
  you know, Eo Sky jumped with a trash can over her head and still
• 1:56:21
  Charlotte do a backflip I mean, some of these people do like some insane
• 1:56:26
  has to take a lot of balls, and I think, you know,
• 1:56:30
  I gotta give props to JD for for standing on the top of that cage
• 1:56:33
  and it's like, I am just gonna do a straight up just I'm gonna
• 1:56:38
  fall straight forward. My hands aren't gonna be out in front of my face,
• 1:56:41
  and I'm gonna take an arcade like you know. He not hard,
• 1:56:44
  that is, to like fall like that and not put your hands out in
• 1:56:45
  front of you. I mean, just and not knock the wind out of
• 1:56:49
  yourself exactly. And that man fell from a high distance. So uh,
• 1:56:55
  you know, props to him for being the small guy in the group taking
• 1:56:59
  the taking the beating like he did. It was cool. We had the
• 1:57:01
  bull rope. It was brought in and you know Seth Rollins and Cody having
• 1:57:05
  their moment there. You know, we know these guys feuded. We know
• 1:57:10
  these guys had a bull rope match. You know these guys all of last
• 1:57:13
  year we're at each other's throats, we you know, So it was good
• 1:57:16
  seeing them put their differences aside for one night and making it work in this
• 1:57:24
  match. You know, the table spots I think we had a pretty damn
• 1:57:30
  good, solid war Games match. It's funny Drew faced Jay Usso and Sammy
• 1:57:39
  Zane last year, but they were in the Bloodline and he was with the
• 1:57:44
  brawling brutes. So I just think this fight that they're also in war Games
• 1:57:48
  again against each other again, but now they're switching roles, you know,
• 1:57:54
  between faces and heels. So it just shows like, you know, one
• 1:57:58
  year, how far you guys can get, you know, uh, you
• 1:58:03
  know, and then us getting Orton back. Orton looked great for his age.
• 1:58:08
  He looked like he was in the best shape of his life. Ah,
• 1:58:13
  I'm older than him. You're older than Randy Jorton. Yeah, but
• 1:58:18
  is Randy even forty Yeah? Yeah, yeah, look look it up it
• 1:58:24
  he's like his mid forties. Okay, is he? I feel like I'm
• 1:58:29
  right. I feel like I'm older than Randy Orton too. No, maybe
• 1:58:33
  I could be wrong, older than me for sure, but anyway, yeah,
• 1:58:41
  wait, now now you have me fucking curious. Uh he is forty
• 1:58:45
  three, Okay, so Randy Orton is like one year older than me.
• 1:58:50
  Yeah. So Orton's still got some time left, He's still got He's still
• 1:58:55
  got some years left on him. He said at the end of his match
• 1:58:59
  walking back, he's like ten years. I still got ten years left.
• 1:59:01
  You know, we'll see hopefully, hopefully his back holds out for that long.
• 1:59:11
  If we only see Orton in a handful of matches a year, I'll
• 1:59:14
  find him with that too. Uh. You know, he no longer has
• 1:59:16
  to deal with Matt Riddle. So that's that that kind of sucks that that
• 1:59:20
  few we never got, the Riddle and ort and few that never paid off.
• 1:59:25
  Really, but you know, Goofy Randy also, yeah, yeah,
• 1:59:30
  we're done with Goofy Randy. But he got to have his fun. We
• 1:59:33
  got to see Randy when as a tag team champion and help rise the stock
• 1:59:39
  from the tag team division a little. But it's good like that transition.
• 1:59:44
  He just can't he can go right back into the main event scene. You
• 1:59:46
  know, he doesn't have to, Oh I need to find a new tag
• 1:59:48
  team partner. Bro Like no, Like he's good. He's just right back
• 1:59:54
  in the main event scene. I mean that this guy could easily feud with
• 2:00:00
  Roman Reigns. You know, he said, he he said, he's not
• 2:00:03
  done with the bloodline. You know, he's got a lot of receipts to
• 2:00:06
  give and he kind of made up with Jay Usso so that's not free you
• 2:00:16
  that Sammy's am is also in the blood line, so you know, yeah,
• 2:00:21
  they overlooked that, just glossed right over that, which just one typically
• 2:00:29
  said every member of the blood line. Yeah, made a point to say
• 2:00:33
  that and then just single skip right over Sammy's ain. But total uh on
• 2:00:43
  the on the biddle subject to that before on the subject of that total sidebar,
• 2:00:46
  just looking up freaking ages of guys sent me down a little brief rabbit
• 2:00:50
  hole. And I just found out that Finn Balor was born exactly one day
• 2:00:57
  before me. Wow, I'm almost like, yeah, he was born July
• 2:01:03
  twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one. I was born July twenty sixth, motherfucker
• 2:01:08
  is one day older than me. But anyhow, like I said, back
• 2:01:13
  to the whole Randy Orton bloodline thing, yeah, we and as I kind
• 2:01:18
  of expected, we did get that moment in the match where Randy Orton looked
• 2:01:23
  like he was going for the RKO and then turned to Jay and mad everybody
• 2:01:28
  think he's about to RKO the shot out of Jay, which nice little swerve.
• 2:01:30
  But as it was, as I expected that they were gonna have to
• 2:01:34
  stare down and then judgement they was gonna interfere, causing them to have to
• 2:01:39
  put it to the side in order to deal with the task at hand.
• 2:01:44
  Totally fine. I expected that to happen, Not a big deal. What
• 2:01:47
  I do take issue with, though, is this. There is the follow
• 2:01:50
  up to that this past Monday on Raw where Jay confronts Randy backstage and it's
• 2:01:57
  like, yo, I wanted to find you before you found me and just
• 2:02:01
  say I'm sorry, and Rady's like cool, I'm like the fuck, that's
• 2:02:09
  it. Well, the fucker puts you out for over a year and all
• 2:02:13
  he hasn't say is my bad and you're like, yeah, man, I
• 2:02:15
  see you. You've hurd over new lead. It's all good. It almost
• 2:02:19
  makes me, it seems so ridiculous that it almost makes me think it's another
• 2:02:23
  swerve and it Rady's gonna be like, yeah, I was lying by the
• 2:02:26
  fucker, ka oh out of nowhere. Well, the funny thing about that
• 2:02:30
  is that he specifically said, and he said a couple of times, like
• 2:02:34
  oh yeah, I've been watching. And it's funny because like no one ever
• 2:02:40
  seems to know what else has happened. You know, like on the same
• 2:02:45
  like or or you'll see a conversation between two wrestlers and then a third person
• 2:02:50
  will have no idea that that conversation took place, or something like just watch
• 2:02:55
  the show, you'll know that they were talking about you. Right, Like
• 2:03:00
  you have Hulu, I know you do, And it's funny that they go
• 2:03:02
  so out of their way sometimes. And then Randy Orton's is like, yeah,
• 2:03:08
  I've been watching, I know what's going on. Right, alstomates you
• 2:03:12
  want like does Hulu not exist in the WWE universe? Like You're totally right.
• 2:03:19
  At least it was logical. There was a sense of logic to it,
• 2:03:23
  like, yes, I've seen you've left the blood line, you've been
• 2:03:27
  trying to redeem yourself. But even with that, though, I just still
• 2:03:30
  feel like I still just kind of want Randy to have been like I see
• 2:03:33
  you, I see you've left the blood line. I've seen you try to
• 2:03:38
  redeem yourself, but I'm gonna still need to get my link back. I'm
• 2:03:41
  gonna still need you to see me in this ring one time. Yeah,
• 2:03:44
  why don't think I'll have a friendly match or whatever? Right, Like,
• 2:03:45
  look me and you better personal But we're gonna squash it out in this ring
• 2:03:49
  on time. After that, we're gonna shake hands and be done with it,
• 2:03:55
  like, you know, just settle it like men. Damn it.
• 2:04:00
  That's a great point. Like yeah, like I hate to sound like,
• 2:04:03
  you know, massogynistic, but you know, just fucking settle it like men,
• 2:04:08
  Like, yeah, I understand that. But you know, I'm gonna
• 2:04:11
  need you to square up one time. We're gonna wrestle it up, have
• 2:04:15
  this match. We're gonna go at it, and afterwards, whoever wins wins,
• 2:04:17
  and we're gonna look at each other's shake hands, and after that,
• 2:04:20
  now we cool. I think that would be great. It would have been
• 2:04:27
  arguably a better fucking main event than God damn Ray Randy Ordan versus fucking Dominate
• 2:04:30
  my Stereo. That was a fun match. Yeah, it was fun,
• 2:04:36
  but everybody named Mama knew how that ship was gonna fucking end. At least
• 2:04:43
  if it was at least it's at least if it was Jay versus Randy Orton,
• 2:04:45
  there might have been some era of you know, unknown of who might
• 2:04:50
  actually come out on top of this match. You could have at least made
• 2:04:54
  a legitimate argument for either one of them winning that match and then afterwards shaking
• 2:04:58
  hands and moving on Andry versus Jay, like she knew what the fuck with
• 2:05:02
  the deal was with that. But AnyWho, uh, any final thoughts on
• 2:05:10
  the men's wargame match. No, that's all right then? Well oh wait,
• 2:05:18
  no, I didn't get to say anything this match. This match,
• 2:05:24
  this match saved the show for me. Uh, I mean we mostly went
• 2:05:29
  over a lot of it, but like, yeah, this this the opponents
• 2:05:30
  had heat with each other. The inner group drama kind of added to that.
• 2:05:34
  It made sense. It didn't have quite the contrived feeling that the women's
• 2:05:41
  match had. Really the only thing that was like super obviously set up was
• 2:05:45
  the r KAO spot, but that was so much fun. Who gives a
• 2:05:47
  ship? And man, Randy looks like he's been uh training and saying his
• 2:05:54
  prayers and eating his vitamins. Huh. We've never seen him this big,
• 2:05:59
  Like he he's always been a big guy, but he was fucking diesel that
• 2:06:05
  much time off. Yeah, like he must have had to buy all new
• 2:06:12
  clothes, like, because he is significantly bigger than we've ever seen him.
• 2:06:15
  Uh. You know, he didn't really do much in the match, but
• 2:06:18
  he didn't really have to either. But yeah, this was this was fun.
• 2:06:24
  I thought I thought it was. I thought it was better than the
• 2:06:27
  women's match, and I but I hate to leave compared them. Why not
• 2:06:30
  just do one or the other. But that's about all I have to say.
• 2:06:34
  Yeah, I think this year, I think, yeah, you could
• 2:06:38
  probably argue that the men's match did exceed the women's match this year. I'm
• 2:06:42
  pretty sure last year I said the women's War Games was better, way better
• 2:06:45
  than the men's War Game match last year, because last year's match was more
• 2:06:49
  about the story, given that we were in the throes of the bloodline at
• 2:06:54
  the time. So yeah, last year's men's match was more about the story
• 2:06:57
  than actual performance, whereas this year the man actually brought it in the ring
• 2:07:02
  from a performance standpoint, and it wasn't There was some storyline elements to it,
• 2:07:06
  but it wasn't as storyline dominated as last year's Mint match. Yeah,
• 2:07:12
  and a lot of people thought that maybe the Judgment Day would go over in
• 2:07:15
  this one, and I didn't think that at all. I thought, you
• 2:07:17
  know, the Judgment Day can take a loss here, because they can still
• 2:07:23
  They're still walking out of the arena with all their gold and but I think
• 2:07:26
  a lot of people thought Randy might turn heel. That's gonna happen for the
• 2:07:33
  vereseeable future. Anyway, he looks like he's firmly on the on the baby
• 2:07:39
  face side of the ledger for a while. Yeah, andast until the honeymoon
• 2:07:45
  phases over. But yeah, I don't know how anybody thought Judgment he was
• 2:07:47
  gonna win this, Like there's no way they're beating the super Friends, Like
• 2:07:49
  do you see this line up there up against Like you got botified Hall of
• 2:07:56
  famers, multi time champions and this shit taking on maybe the hottest faction in
• 2:08:03
  WWE. But his individual talents, Like, as individual talents, you have
• 2:08:09
  two World Championship reigns. One of Randy Orton's reigns is longer than all their
• 2:08:16
  shit combined. Like there's levels to this ship and Judgment days like as individuals
• 2:08:22
  are just not on the level of the super Friends, Like how many rains
• 2:08:26
  does Randy have? He's uh, fifteen, I think he's be right behind
• 2:08:31
  Flair right if I say he's up there, and I'm pretty sure he's in
• 2:08:33
  the teens between WW and world title reigns. I think he's at fifteen right
• 2:08:37
  now because he's very close. He's very very close. I think, I
• 2:08:43
  think, I think that's in play. Yeah, I mean, if he's
• 2:08:46
  going to be here from for longer him, he definitely could be the guy
• 2:08:48
  that breaks that sixteen times easily. Mm hmm. Yeah, you cannot rule
• 2:08:56
  that out at all. Yeah, It's just it would have been a truth
• 2:09:03
  be told. It really would have been an upset had Judgment Day somehow pulled
• 2:09:09
  out the win, because I don't even know who on the super Friends team
• 2:09:16
  would take the fall. It wouldn't have been Randy Damn show, wouldn't have
• 2:09:20
  been Seth or Cody unless you pull the surprise thing of would have pulled the
• 2:09:26
  real shocker of Damian Priest cashing in the money in the bank and pitting Seth
• 2:09:31
  to both win War Games and the World and the World Heavyweight Championship, which
• 2:09:35
  you know that would take balls bigger than clearly anybody in WW has at the
• 2:09:39
  moment. Other than that, they like Sammy or j would have had to
• 2:09:45
  do it, and I think they're too invested in building up JA right now
• 2:09:48
  for it to have been him. So that would have left Sammy, which
• 2:09:52
  is conceivable and believable, but I don't think they necessarily wanted to do that
• 2:09:58
  to Annestly, Yeah, honestly, I'm surprised that Damien Priest is the one
• 2:10:01
  who took the pin for Judgment Day because I really thought that JD was going
• 2:10:05
  to be the one to take the fall, and he was clearly set up
• 2:10:09
  to be the one to take the fall aside until h Randy decided to yield
• 2:10:16
  to Cody and allow Cody to get the pin in the match that his father
• 2:10:20
  conceived, which and the moment when it happened, I was just I didn't
• 2:10:24
  get it. But what I thought about it, I was like, Okay,
• 2:10:26
  you know what, that was nice. That was a nice moment.
• 2:10:31
  Commentary might have done a better job had they mentioned that during the match itself
• 2:10:37
  and highlighted that totally. I wanted to bring I think I mentioned on the
• 2:10:41
  discord. Can't plan it and bring this up. Craig Graeves made a good
• 2:10:43
  line earlier in the evening with the miss and through match. He says Miss
• 2:10:48
  has all the tools, he just has to remember where he put them.
• 2:10:54
  I was like, that's true. The Miss does have all the tools to
• 2:10:56
  be a world champion, you just remember the ally put them. What commentary
• 2:11:03
  wasn't all too bad, you know, So no, it wasn't bad,
• 2:11:09
  and I just mean, like a little thing like that, sometimes a line
• 2:11:16
  or two from commentary makes all the difference in the world. Yeah, definitely,
• 2:11:22
  that's kind of what they're there for, to highlight things and bring and
• 2:11:26
  call attention to certain things that the average rest fan might not notice. In
• 2:11:31
  that moment. Yeah, that was a little bit of a dropping of the
• 2:11:37
  ball of them, but ultimately not the not the biggest deal in the world.
• 2:11:41
  For the most part, commentary was pretty good this throughout the night.
• 2:11:45
  Like, I can't think of any really bad moments that they had. They
• 2:11:48
  did have a few good lines like the one you mentioned about missing the tools
• 2:11:52
  and stuff like that, so yeah, overall, they didn't take away from
• 2:11:54
  the show in any way, So that's yeah. I think that does it
• 2:12:03
  for the rovisies that we pretty much covered everything that's there. Like, overall,
• 2:12:07
  it was a good show, and like I said, it ended on
• 2:12:11
  a pretty strong note. I think for pl it would rank as one of
• 2:12:16
  the best ones of the year. Probably not, but it's definitely not one
• 2:12:22
  of the worst ones either, so I think it's somewhere in the middle.
• 2:12:26
  So definitely rememberable, and there's a reason why. So, you know,
• 2:12:31
  pay per views ending, people are getting up out of their seats. Leave
• 2:12:37
  the face team has their moment, right, I am getting out of my
• 2:12:43
  chair, get raised. Time for bed? Late, that's it. Where's
• 2:12:48
  the w W logo? I'm ready for bed? And then see, oh
• 2:13:24
  my god, cm punk is back. I marked the hell out. I
• 2:13:35
  have not been this excited for a wrestler to come back, and I wasn't.
• 2:13:39
  I haven't been this genuinely surprised since Edge returned out the Rumble. That's
• 2:13:45
  how long it's been since I felt something like that. Like, I was
• 2:13:48
  just so excited. Now. Not everybody is a fan of cmpunk, I
• 2:13:52
  get it. Not everybody likes the same flavored ice cream. But I have
• 2:13:58
  always been a sampunk fan, even when he was, you know, on
• 2:14:03
  the e c W roster, which is awful, awful, awful, you
• 2:14:09
  know, from when he got his first world title run, you know,
• 2:14:13
  uh and and and he got he just got better. I thought in his
• 2:14:16
  WW career he just got better and better and evolved, and he had great
• 2:14:22
  fuse, great title runs, great fucking promos. You know. Then this
• 2:14:30
  was the sixth long ever or something like four hundred and thirty four days.
• 2:14:35
  You know, it's crazy, like somebody you're you're such a mark for Uh
• 2:14:41
  yeah, I'll fucking play it, you fucking much. Yeah, I'm a
• 2:14:46
  fucking mark for for cmpunk, I'll admit it. You know this guy.
• 2:14:50
  I have stacks of T shirts of sampunk shirts that I don't fit in anymore
• 2:14:54
  because it's been like what like nine years, eight nine years since he's been
• 2:14:58
  gone. I think twenty fourteen. Roy Rumble was his last appearance in the
• 2:15:05
  WWE. I think it was three thousand, five hundred and ninety eight days
• 2:15:13
  since he's been in WWE. It was the Royal Rumble. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:15:18
  And I kind of wish, like, you know, he mentioned something
• 2:15:22
  similar in AW but I kind of wish when he came back to ww's first
• 2:15:26
  thing Mike would be, you know, January twenty sixth, twenty fourteen,
• 2:15:31
  I left Sports Entertainment. November twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, I'm back.
• 2:15:39
  You know, it's just a wrestler that you're you're marking out for,
• 2:15:43
  You're wearing shirt, you're wearing these shirts, you're so invested in this character,
• 2:15:50
  and then all of a sudden you know something in you know, behind
• 2:15:54
  stage, behind closed doors that we don't know about his fans. Shit goes
• 2:15:58
  on backstage, whatever, corporate politics, and and then he just ups and
• 2:16:03
  leaves. You know, he just takes his ball and goes home. We've
• 2:16:07
  seen this plenty of times with our favorite wrestlers, a stone called Steve Austin,
• 2:16:13
  a big one. You know, he just did like the way things
• 2:16:16
  were going in the company, you know, them wanting him to put over
• 2:16:20
  brocks so easily, and he was just wasn't no. He just fuck you
• 2:16:24
  and he took his ball and went home, you know. I you know,
• 2:16:31
  Okay, yeah, we heard tons of rumors. Okay, he left
• 2:16:35
  aw on bad terms, so we're told he know he's he mentions I am
• 2:16:41
  free in two months in Chicago, you know, just let you know,
• 2:16:46
  I'll be free. All the hints that have been dropped, all the Easter
• 2:16:52
  eggs, I guess you can call them, between song lyrics being mentioned,
• 2:16:56
  promos that he used to say, like just certain things, little little jabs
• 2:17:01
  and and you don't know with this company, if it's like we're just jabbing
• 2:17:05
  the fans because we're not gonna give you what you want. And it felt
• 2:17:11
  that way for a very long time when he left. Uh, the Sampunk
• 2:17:15
  chance went on for a very long time, and you know, there was
• 2:17:18
  a point where you're just like you just got to give up, Like he's
• 2:17:20
  not coming back. You know. Him coming to ADEW was a big deal
• 2:17:26
  because I never thought he would become a professional wrestler ever again, and then
• 2:17:31
  let alone coming back to WWE. But as we've seen through the past,
• 2:17:37
  uh, Vince has mended bridges with certain guys. You know, the ultimate
• 2:17:43
  Warrior Stone Cold Steve Austin came back. Uh. Uh guy, I had
• 2:17:48
  like a list of names if you guys could think of people, Brett yeah,
• 2:17:54
  Brett Hart, just like uh Sam yeah, Bruno, San Martino.
• 2:17:58
  Uh. Just a bunch of guys who you never thought would come back to
• 2:18:03
  this company, who couldn't do business again. And at the end of the
• 2:18:07
  day, that's what it is. It's business. And Sampunk said it on
• 2:18:11
  Monday like I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to make money and
• 2:18:15
  a lot of people, some people are rubbed the wrong way on that on
• 2:18:18
  Twitter and I'm just like, no, like he's he's here to do business.
• 2:18:22
  Like the man is up in age. You know Sampunk is no spring
• 2:18:28
  chicken. He's in his mid forties. Let me see, I think he's
• 2:18:33
  like forty forty five, So he's got let's just let's just he's got one
• 2:18:37
  foot in the grave. Let's just say it, he's forty five. But
• 2:18:41
  like, you know, as a professional wrestler, Like, how many years
• 2:18:43
  does professional wrestler have? Like we as fans know that our guy are our
• 2:18:48
  guys normally start to you know, retire, slow down in their forties and
• 2:18:52
  some some make it to their fifties. Some barely make it to their fifties,
• 2:18:58
  you know, whether it's physical, mentally, or or they just pass
• 2:19:03
  away at an earlier age. So I'm always looking at uh, these wrestlers,
• 2:19:11
  as you know, I'm looking at the time they have left. So
• 2:19:13
  like when you have a wrestler that's sitting backstage and not being used for for
• 2:19:20
  months on end, and you know, you're just thinking like this, the
• 2:19:22
  best years of this guy's life is being wasted and catering. And then when
• 2:19:26
  they do pull the trigger on the sky, it's gonna be too late because
• 2:19:28
  it's gonna be too old. So you know, I'm glad that he was
• 2:19:35
  able to pull his head out of his ass, and he said he's changed
• 2:19:39
  and the company has vastly changed in that time since he left, like it
• 2:19:43
  were quote unquote under new ownership. You know, Triple H is more in
• 2:19:48
  charge of the day to day, it looks like, and you know,
• 2:19:52
  I didn't think they would ever do business together ever again. So uh,
• 2:19:56
  It's just it made me really happy just to see him back. And I'm
• 2:20:03
  really excited for all the feuds that we're gonna see. I'm suspecting the few
• 2:20:11
  that he's gonna do first is Seth Rollins, and I really think after that
• 2:20:16
  he's gonna be going towards Roman. I don't I don't know if they're gonna
• 2:20:22
  I don't know where they're going with this for WrestleMania. A lot of people
• 2:20:26
  are saying him in Seth for WrestleMania. Cool, but what do we do
• 2:20:30
  until then? Does he enter the rumble and win the rumble and that's where
• 2:20:35
  he cashes in, you know, on on he uses that rumble wind to
• 2:20:39
  go against the Rollins. I don't know. I mean, like, also,
• 2:20:45
  since we know how hard it was when he left, my question is
• 2:20:52
  it's like, what kind of deal was made money wise? You know,
• 2:20:58
  and it's not just about money too, Like granted, yeah, he's probably
• 2:21:01
  like I want this much money or I'm not coming back. He got that,
• 2:21:05
  I bet, obviously, but there was something else definitely on the table
• 2:21:09
  because when he left his one of his complaints were like, I'm the workhorse
• 2:21:13
  right now. I've been championed for four hundred and thirty four days. But
• 2:21:18
  Dwayne the Rock Johnson, who comes back, you know, whatever the hell
• 2:21:20
  he feels like, gets the main event at WrestleMania, and I'm second fiddle.
• 2:21:26
  But I've been here during the work, which I totally understand, you
• 2:21:30
  know. You know, it's just like any job, you know, you're
• 2:21:33
  busting your ass and then like this guy who comes you know, who's been
• 2:21:37
  on vacation or something like that for the most of the season, comes back
• 2:21:39
  and gets promoted or you know, I get it, but just so many
• 2:21:46
  questions and like we just don't have the answers yet. I bet Rawl was
• 2:21:52
  a good turnout because you know he was gonna be on. Of course,
• 2:21:56
  they were smart and they played him towards the end of the show. So
• 2:22:01
  like people like me who fucking fell asleep. I had to have my girlfriend
• 2:22:03
  wake me up like he's on TV. You know, I'm totally down to
• 2:22:09
  buy a new cmpunk shirt right now. It's a very rare opportunity. You
• 2:22:15
  can buy sem punky or on Pro Wrestling teas, and you can also buy
• 2:22:18
  it on w W shop. You can also buy a e W Cmpunk action
• 2:22:22
  figures in the store. Still, but like you know, right now,
• 2:22:28
  if whatever percentage he gets a merchandise, he's probably cashed in right now,
• 2:22:33
  pretty damn well. But I'm sure I'm gonna probably have a little bit more
• 2:22:39
  to say Dre, Like what what do you see? Mpunk? Like?
• 2:22:43
  What do you fan? Not a fan? What do you what do you
• 2:22:46
  say? I Am going to pass the mic to Doyle because I am far
• 2:22:58
  more interested in here his thoughts. All right, So Doyle, this is
• 2:23:07
  your alley oop. Uh. You know, like he was a former Uh,
• 2:23:15
  he would see I'm punk fan. You know, I was super excited
• 2:23:20
  when he came back to a W there. But and here's the thing that
• 2:23:24
  people don't seem to remember, Like none of his matches in a W were
• 2:23:30
  really that great. Uh. He didn't look that great. He always looked
• 2:23:33
  gassed. Uh and and and he didn't look great like he was like,
• 2:23:41
  I'm sorry, but it's a visual business, you know, Like he was
• 2:23:43
  kind of dowey. He didn't look I mean, he was never a body
• 2:23:48
  guy per se. But he you know, he's the he would be the
• 2:23:52
  biggest guy in any bar you walk into, you know, but he didn't
• 2:23:56
  really look like that anymore. Uh. And I just everyone's slotting him in
• 2:24:03
  with Roman Reigns and slotting him in with Seth Rowlins. Can he even do
• 2:24:07
  it anymore? Like, I think that's a big question. But uh,
• 2:24:13
  I don't want anything to do with this idiot. After the press conference from
• 2:24:18
  hell? Can you imagine him sitting in a press conference ex with Triple H
• 2:24:22
  and just shitting all over him and all over Nick Kahn and all over every
• 2:24:26
  you know, up and down, in and out and him just fucking taking
• 2:24:31
  it and taking it and taking it. And that's what Tony Kahan did,
• 2:24:35
  h. I just I and and so so he tears his tries up and
• 2:24:39
  he's out for however long. He comes back and the first fucking days back
• 2:24:43
  and gets enough well, okay, so that press conference, so backstage altercation
• 2:24:48
  right then he comes back and gets in another fight. The first fucking day's
• 2:24:52
  back like, I just I have no faith he might play nice for a
• 2:24:56
  couple of months. I just don't think. I don't think he has in
• 2:25:00
  him to behave And I don't think it's worth the risk. They don't need
• 2:25:03
  him for like AW needed him, you know. I think the big rumor
• 2:25:09
  was that he was going to go to TNA or Impact or whatever. Apparently
• 2:25:11
  they had They had him pretty much sewn up until WWE came in and swooped
• 2:25:16
  him up. They need him for them, it's worth it. Uh,
• 2:25:22
  their biggest star of Roman reigns right now, they don't even have him and
• 2:25:26
  they're chugging along just fine. They don't make sure ship don't need to see
• 2:25:30
  him punk. And and now he is Dwayne that he was complaining about.
• 2:25:37
  He's the big star that's coming and taking the spot from the guy that's been
• 2:25:41
  there and doing the workhorse shit. You know. I don't know who who
• 2:25:43
  it is, but he's taking somebody spot, you know. And and I
• 2:25:50
  just he he does look to be in better shape, so maybe he's gonna
• 2:25:58
  do better. Maybe he's better shape, but like, when the hell is
• 2:26:01
  he gonna wrestle? This is another problem. This is a weird timing is
• 2:26:05
  year. I get you wanted to bring it come back in Chicago, but
• 2:26:07
  why not have him just as a mystery entering into the Royal Rumble or something
• 2:26:11
  like that. This reminds me of the bray Wyret thing. They debuted him,
• 2:26:16
  They didn't have him at Survivor series a month later, and then there
• 2:26:20
  wasn't another paper of here for two months. By the time he was finally
• 2:26:24
  in the ring, nobody gave a ship anymore. I'm like, is punk
• 2:26:28
  not gonna wrestle to Royal Rumble? Like? Do we want to spend eight
• 2:26:31
  weeks just listening to him bitch and moan and piss? Oh, I'm changed
• 2:26:35
  or changed? I'm different? And uh I know I think there's no there's
• 2:26:39
  no there there for me. I don't want to hear him blather on for
• 2:26:43
  two months without wrestling. Uh So, I feel like by the time by
• 2:26:48
  the time he gets there, who the fuck cares? And who is he
• 2:26:52
  even gonna wrestle with? You know, when he went into a w he
• 2:26:56
  Oh, I want to work with the young guys. I want to,
• 2:26:58
  which happened a little bit, but I don't see any benefit to him working
• 2:27:03
  young. I don't want to see him in Bronson Reed or him and Ludvig
• 2:27:07
  Kaizer. We want to see him in Gunther, we want to see him
• 2:27:09
  in Seth. But I just don't. I don't see how he fits in
• 2:27:13
  with any of these people. So yeah, I mean, is he in
• 2:27:18
  the title picture? Like, does he deserve to be in the title picture?
• 2:27:22
  I don't think so. You know, he's become the very thing he
• 2:27:28
  complained about, you know, and he wasn't happy before. And he's got
• 2:27:31
  the sixth longest title run ever, right he works. It's Undertaker WrestleMania.
• 2:27:37
  Like, yeah, maybe he was never in the last match or whatever,
• 2:27:41
  but I don't think it's worth Like in twenty twenty four, I don't think
• 2:27:46
  it's worth bumping the Uzos out of the night one spot for fucking seem punk,
• 2:27:52
  you know, no matter what. I'm sure the ratings were great last
• 2:27:56
  night for Raw, but that's I feel like they trade into tomorrow for today,
• 2:28:01
  you know, like great, the ratings don't even really matter anymore anyway,
• 2:28:05
  great spiked the rating, good for you against the terrible Monday night football
• 2:28:09
  game, But what does it mean next week and the week after that and
• 2:28:13
  the week after that. He's just I just I think, like, you
• 2:28:18
  know, like Seth, you know, said he was a cancer right.
• 2:28:22
  Uh And by the way, all that Seth ship, I think he's one
• 2:28:24
  hundred percent working. Like he might be pissed off legitimately, sure, but
• 2:28:28
  they all, they all knew that was going to happen, uh, you
• 2:28:33
  know. And and Seth knows that everybody's got a camera phone and everybody's pointing
• 2:28:37
  at him, and everyone's gonna upload it to YouTube. You know, he
• 2:28:43
  doesn't need the w W E cameras, don't even need to do the work
• 2:28:46
  for him. Seth is brilliant. Uh Uh, So I think that I
• 2:28:50
  think that's a total work. You know, Seth got Seth got jumped by
• 2:28:56
  a fan, remember a fan during his entrance a couple of years ago.
• 2:29:00
  Fan came and tried to tackle him. And he kept his composure much better
• 2:29:03
  when he was physically attacked by somebody. But here, here, here,
• 2:29:09
  a guy comes out in the entrance way and he has to be restrained by
• 2:29:11
  Michael Cole, you know, like, and he's double birding. So I
• 2:29:16
  don't and I also don't buy any of this. Oh this deal came together
• 2:29:22
  at the last second, that's all horseshit too, and because you know,
• 2:29:28
  within ten minutes they had a T shirt up and we were just saying,
• 2:29:33
  how much of a pain in the acid is to design a T shirt and
• 2:29:37
  get it up on a website and that shit doesn't just happen in forty five
• 2:29:41
  minutes, especially not huge company, when when I bet you know that T
• 2:29:45
  shirt design had to be emailed and sent to five hundred fucking people, you
• 2:29:48
  know, in a corporation like that, So you know, the whole thing
• 2:29:56
  just it seems so unnecessary. They're chugging along, just fine, why throw
• 2:30:01
  this now? I'm not in the mix. Is beyond me? Money,
• 2:30:07
  money, money, money, That's all that is about. Man, it
• 2:30:11
  sucks, but that's all about it's about. And you know what, I
• 2:30:15
  think we discussed this before, but like there were times where like we heard
• 2:30:20
  that he was backstage at like rawl or he was backstage at something and like
• 2:30:24
  Vince found out and told him to fucking leave, and apparently he like made
• 2:30:28
  amends with Triple H when that happened. So like, this has been in
• 2:30:33
  the works for a while, and you know a lot of people like my
• 2:30:37
  brother listens and he was like, oh, I totally knew he was coming
• 2:30:41
  back. I'm like, did you did you though, Like would you have
• 2:30:45
  put money on that, like real good money on that, because do you
• 2:30:48
  know how many times we've been to Chicago, you know how many times there
• 2:30:52
  were opportunities I thought i'd see him, Punk would have returned, and it
• 2:30:54
  never ever happened. Like I just couldn't believe it, Like I thought it
• 2:31:01
  was just too good to be true for me, you know, But business
• 2:31:07
  is business at the end of the day, and like these guys are they
• 2:31:11
  just want to make money and they're gonna make a shipload of money even if
• 2:31:13
  and I heard Punk sign for a multi year deal, so he's gonna be
• 2:31:18
  around whether people like it or not. No ill, So you know,
• 2:31:22
  while he's here, let's get some good funds. I'll tell your deal.
• 2:31:26
  What's he gonna do? Come there and work two matches, go right back
• 2:31:28
  to a w you know, like that's money, Like, yeah, there's
• 2:31:33
  there's there's a couple of feuds. You know, there's a box. He's
• 2:31:37
  already on the t k O payroll though, right because he I thought so,
• 2:31:41
  Yeah, I'm sorry for some minor league UFC thing doesn't Yeah, there's
• 2:31:48
  already on the bucks. There's already on the books, so that'll save some
• 2:31:50
  time payroll. So now we're kind of split, and see Dre is gonna
• 2:31:58
  now set the towne. Man, what's it going to be. If you're
• 2:32:03
  looking for me to break the tie, then I've never seen to see him
• 2:32:07
  before. That would be the only way. But god, now, if
• 2:32:13
  you're looking for me to break the tie, then sorry to disappoint you,
• 2:32:18
  but I'm just kind of neutral on it now. I will say that I
• 2:32:26
  during when the moment happened at the pay per view, Yes, I did
• 2:32:31
  mark out, not in the oh snap, holy shit, yeah, yeah
• 2:32:35
  he's back, you back, yeah to type of mark out. No,
• 2:32:37
  it was just more like a I popped up out of my seat, like,
• 2:32:39
  oh shit type of mark out. Yeah. I can't believe they actually
• 2:32:45
  did it. Yeah, I totally did not see it coming. Because credit
• 2:32:48
  to them, they booked that moment brilliantly, absolutely brilliantly, because everybody watching
• 2:32:58
  that show thought that the Survivor series was over. Everybody thought it was ending.
• 2:33:03
  They had the little graphic in the corner where thinking, AI, we're
• 2:33:05
  about to roll to the press conference, and then that music hit and it
• 2:33:09
  caught everybody surprise by surprise, So props to them on that booking first and
• 2:33:15
  foremost. Now in regards to his return, again, I'm neither for it
• 2:33:22
  nor against it. I'm pretty much in a let's see what happens. Yeah,
• 2:33:28
  I think it can go Obviously, it can go great if Punk is
• 2:33:35
  a team player and doesn't you know, cause any waves and any you know,
• 2:33:43
  people who may have a certain level of animosity towards him, if he's
• 2:33:46
  able to either smooth it over, or if management is able to pretty much
• 2:33:50
  just make motherfuckers fall in line and be like, look, I'm the goddamn
• 2:33:54
  law get with it or get the fuck out type of thing, or like
• 2:33:58
  I said, or if he's able to make amends with people, if he's
• 2:34:01
  able to you know, write whatever wrongs he may have done, or you
• 2:34:03
  know, make people. I don't know how you can right wrongs. I
• 2:34:09
  don't know. If I don't know if people feel like he directly wronged them.
• 2:34:11
  Again, we're not I'm not in the company, so I don't know,
• 2:34:15
  or if people just feel a certain way about him because of all the
• 2:34:18
  things he said and his ten years away from WW where he pretty much just
• 2:34:22
  ragged on him every chance he got, and if some people are you know,
• 2:34:26
  just you know, basically defending the home team, who knows. But
• 2:34:31
  that's for him to do. That's for a time to tell. Strictly from
• 2:34:37
  a fan standpoint, there's tremendous upside in his presence there. There's obviously the
• 2:34:46
  doors are open. There's the possibilities for a number of dream matches that can
• 2:34:50
  take place with ceeing Punk and some of the current stars on today's roster.
• 2:34:58
  Obviously, like we've already mentioned first of are most among those is seeing Punk
• 2:35:01
  versus Seth Rolins. That one pretty much already writes itself, especially with the
• 2:35:09
  way Seth Rollins reacted and after the match or as Punk was coming out in
• 2:35:16
  the videos that have gone viral since. Whether that's work or if it was
• 2:35:20
  real, who knows. But either way, it's working. It's doing what
• 2:35:28
  I'm gonna say, it's working. Either way, I'm pretty sure WWE is
• 2:35:33
  happy with it, provided it doesn't cause complete utter turmoil and chaos backstage.
• 2:35:41
  If it's just a viral moment that whets everybody's in a mama's appetite for a
• 2:35:45
  Seth Rollins seeing Punk match, then yeah, this is about as natural and
• 2:35:52
  organic as you can get, and those make for some of the best feuds
• 2:35:56
  and some of the best moments is when it's when it's organic, when it's
• 2:36:01
  something that the fans create the hype for themselves without having to have the story
• 2:36:07
  told for them, without having to rely on, you know, booking,
• 2:36:13
  and Okay, this is gonna happen this weekend, this is gonna happen this
• 2:36:16
  following week instead of it's just the fans are like, give it to us,
• 2:36:20
  give it to me now, directed injectedly to my veins, Like,
• 2:36:26
  if the fans are like that, then you pretty much already got them.
• 2:36:30
  All you have to do is just not fuck it up. Yep. Well,
• 2:36:33
  they're finally starting to use social media, you know, uh, the
• 2:36:37
  way they should have been doing it for years, you know, and I
• 2:36:41
  think you're gonna see a lot more of the Seth kind of stuff. Not
• 2:36:45
  necessarily with Seth, but but you know, after the cameras are off,
• 2:36:50
  somebody making a big scene of some kind, you know, well, that's
• 2:36:54
  assuming that all this is a work and that that wasn't a genuine reaction from
• 2:36:58
  Seth rawls, because the problem is is it's working now it's working so well
• 2:37:05
  now because people don't know if it's real or not sure if everybody if he
• 2:37:09
  would have like hammed it up him in over the top, and if the
• 2:37:11
  like the production quality of the video would have been just like a little too
• 2:37:16
  clean, you know, instead of looking like cheap self. That's what I
• 2:37:20
  mean, bye bye. By using social media, they don't need to film
• 2:37:22
  that. They know you're they know you're sitting in the stands and you're going
• 2:37:26
  to film it and you're going to upload it. That's what like I you're
• 2:37:31
  right, and you're right about that point. If they if they let the
• 2:37:33
  fans like unwillingly or willingly unwillingly do the work for them, then sure,
• 2:37:39
  but that also relies on the person who's doing You think some of that Seth
• 2:37:43
  taking that upon himself. Sure, some of that could be Seth taking his
• 2:37:48
  own initiative. And this is something that you know, just happened to work
• 2:37:50
  out for them. I think. I think if WW tries to put their
• 2:37:58
  hands in it too much and try to script it too much, then you're
• 2:38:01
  gonna ruin it. Because remember there, they tried that. Yeah, remember
• 2:38:05
  they tried that for a little bit. I think it was last year a
• 2:38:09
  little bit when they were like, you know, oh, we got this
• 2:38:11
  footage from the parking lot and you see people fighting in the parking It's like,
• 2:38:13
  come the fuck on now, yeah, fuck was who the fuck catches
• 2:38:18
  people fighting in the parking lot in ten ADP wide screen right exactly? You
• 2:38:22
  don't get this bullshit out of here, Like that's where WB could fuck up.
• 2:38:28
  This one is working so well because, like I said, nobody knows
• 2:38:31
  if that was real or not. Yeah, but that was also them them
• 2:38:35
  forcing it versus them allowing the viral nature of things these days to just take
• 2:38:41
  their natural course, right, But we don't know if we don't know if
• 2:38:46
  if Seth was acting on his own, on his own initiative, or if
• 2:38:50
  that was a genuine reaction from him that he was genuinely pissed off, or
• 2:38:56
  if somebody said, hey, Seth, see I think it was a work.
• 2:39:01
  I'll tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why, because there's a
• 2:39:05
  referee there the whole time, and most of the time when it's when it's
• 2:39:09
  something real referees are gone and it's security and those kind of people. But
• 2:39:15
  I think there's a ref there because he is he's getting he's still talking to
• 2:39:18
  somebody, you know, and he's the one saying, okay, like you
• 2:39:24
  know, keep it, you know, get amping up, amping up there.
• 2:39:26
  You know, they're they're watching or they're you know. I think he's
• 2:39:30
  getting directions from backstage. And if there was no referee there, I'd be
• 2:39:35
  more suspicious. I get that, But there's there's also something to be said
• 2:39:41
  about the fact that Michael Cole and Corey Graves were there. And now you
• 2:39:48
  might think that, yeah, they were planted to be there. You could
• 2:39:50
  make the argument that they were planted there, they were supposed to be there.
• 2:39:54
  But I can also say that when that show is over, those two
• 2:40:00
  are the first motherfuckers out, like, like I'm from having just seen them
• 2:40:07
  at Raw recently. When Raw was over, them motherfuckers was gone. They
• 2:40:13
  stopped the wave to the crowd, They stopped to say by to nobody.
• 2:40:16
  They ain't do nothing, grab their shit and was out. Well, they
• 2:40:20
  probably have to go to the bathroom, like just grab their ship up left.
• 2:40:26
  So I could very much see if if it was you know, real,
• 2:40:31
  a genuine reaction from Seth that they're going to leave. They're getting they
• 2:40:35
  shit to leave because they think the show's over with or what have your.
• 2:40:39
  Maybe they maybe they knew, they could have known, but they were like,
• 2:40:41
  hey, he's coming out, we know this is there's nothing else for
• 2:40:46
  us to say, so we can get our ship and go. And then
• 2:40:50
  they see Seth Rollins flipping shit and they're like whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 2:40:52
  whoa. Hey hey hey, chill, chill, chill, Like yeah,
• 2:40:58
  yeah, it's one of the things, like I said, it works so
• 2:41:01
  well because we don't know if it was real or not. Like I said,
• 2:41:05
  even if you go back and watch the replay of it, yeah,
• 2:41:11
  you can see when when Seeing Punk's music hits, there's a brief moment maybe
• 2:41:18
  like a half a second. It's like almost a blinking you miss it moment.
• 2:41:22
  But when his music hits and they're cutting to a wide shot of the
• 2:41:26
  crowd showing them losing their shit, you can see seth Rollins in the ring
• 2:41:30
  already throwing a fit. Yeah, like I like I said, like a
• 2:41:33
  maybe a half second clip of him like kicking the shit out of the lower
• 2:41:37
  ring and all likes to already starting to throw his fit again. That could
• 2:41:41
  have totally been him working. Like this music hit, I'm and it's go
• 2:41:48
  time for me. It's now it's time for me to start flipping shit.
• 2:41:50
  Totally could be. But either way, whether it's real or it's a work,
• 2:41:56
  it is still having the achieved effect of building up all the hype in
• 2:42:01
  the world for seth Rollins and see him punk to have a match. Now,
• 2:42:09
  the rumor mill is that it could happen at World Rumble. Me personally,
• 2:42:16
  I think this type of match is WrestleMania caliber. I think it might
• 2:42:20
  say weird to say it, but I think this match is too big for
• 2:42:22
  the World Rumble. I think a match of this caliber deserves the biggest stage,
• 2:42:26
  and that is WrestleMania. And some people might say that, well,
• 2:42:31
  it's gonna be hard for you to try to delay this, given that it's
• 2:42:37
  here and it's in the moment, it's gonna be hard to drag it out
• 2:42:41
  to WrestleMania, to which I disagree. It's not gonna be too hard to
• 2:42:46
  drag it out till WrestleMania, because all you have to do is put the
• 2:42:48
  two of them in programs leading into the Rumble, and then after the Rumble
• 2:42:54
  then you can start your build up. All you really have to do is
• 2:42:58
  just kill time to the rumble, and you can easily do that, like
• 2:43:05
  I said, by having seth Rollins be engaged in whatever feud he's going to
• 2:43:09
  be in, if it's presumably Drew McIntire and putting CM punk in whatever his
• 2:43:15
  first feud would be, if it's like, you know, a warm up
• 2:43:16
  feud per se that he could be involved with with somebody, and to that
• 2:43:24
  subject, it kind of right now makes me wish that the Miz wasn't a
• 2:43:31
  babyface, because the Miz would be the perfect candidate to be seeing Punk's first
• 2:43:39
  feud because MS was one of those people who had real legitimate beef with CM
• 2:43:46
  punk. So there's yeah, they had he had legitimate beef with CM Punk
• 2:43:52
  for the last say, like when CM punk popped up at raw what was
• 2:43:56
  it a few months ago the time when when when Vince kicked him out,
• 2:44:01
  I think they said one of the people that Cempunk had smoothed things over with
• 2:44:05
  was miss because they still had that lingering animosity. So if you want to
• 2:44:13
  kind of still play up this whole, you know, this obvious narrative of
• 2:44:20
  some people aren't happy that seem punk is back, which is a very real
• 2:44:24
  thing. Probably n WWE. Who's the perfect person to do it? Then
• 2:44:28
  somebody that the Internet knows he had animosity with and b can work with any
• 2:44:37
  fucking body and would be a viable person for them to have that beef with
• 2:44:43
  to play off that real life stuff. Who can go toe to toe with
• 2:44:46
  Seeing Punk on the mic and play all that shit up and then lose to
• 2:44:50
  without it impacting him or burying him in any kind of way. That would
• 2:44:58
  be the perfect person to do it. Unfortunately, Miss is a face right
• 2:45:01
  now, So I don't know if they want to squander this, you know,
• 2:45:07
  investment that they've made in Miz being the face in order to put him
• 2:45:13
  in that feud with See Them Punk. I think they could still make that
• 2:45:18
  turn, even though they've got mis kind of peg to feud with Gunster again
• 2:45:24
  continually. But you know, there's still room to for that to be done.
• 2:45:28
  But I don't know if they want to go down that route. But
• 2:45:31
  I do believe that that match is WrestleMania caliber. I also think that that
• 2:45:35
  match doesn't require the World Heavyweight Championship. I think that's the perfect Like one
• 2:45:43
  of the things that people a lot I've heard a lot of people say about
• 2:45:46
  return seem Punk that I kind of disagree with is that Seeing Punk is now
• 2:45:50
  going to take somebody else's spot. He's gonna take space time away from somebody
• 2:45:56
  else. And that's why something a lot of people have been h against his
• 2:46:01
  return. Seeing Punks is gonna he's gonna take up all the oxygen in the
• 2:46:03
  room somebody else. He's gonna take somebody else's spot, somebody else's position.
• 2:46:09
  A match that should be going to somebody else is now gonna be eaten by
• 2:46:11
  Seeing Punk. A main event at raw or something like that, this should
• 2:46:15
  be going to somebody else is not gonna be taken by Seeing Punk. Yes
• 2:46:20
  and no, I think depending on how you book it their space. That's
• 2:46:24
  for Seeing Punk to have his moment but also potentially give other people a moment
• 2:46:31
  that they otherwise would not get. And this is what the big issue there
• 2:46:37
  is. He complained about that very thing before, sure, like I said
• 2:46:43
  he did, but there is a wave to book it where he has his
• 2:46:48
  spot, but he's not giving He's not taking a spot away from somebody else.
• 2:46:52
  He's giving somebody else an opportunity. And here's what I mean by that.
• 2:46:56
  So, prior toor to series did anybody. Did either of y'all think
• 2:47:05
  that Seth Rollins was going to drop the title prior to WrestleMania. No,
• 2:47:09
  I I kind of have this feeling that he was going to hold onto it
• 2:47:11
  all the way till WrestleMania, Right. I thought I thought he was going
• 2:47:16
  to drop it almost immediately, What like immediately after Survivor Series? Oh?
• 2:47:24
  No, I mean, okay, maybe I misunderstood your question. I'm saying
• 2:47:31
  prior if we think he's going to lose it before, No, I'm saying
• 2:47:35
  prior to Savivor Series. So prior to Saturday, Before Saturday, did you
• 2:47:39
  think Seth Rollins was going to drop the title before WrestleMania? Oh? Well,
• 2:47:48
  like I, I've thought he was going to drop the title, this
• 2:47:50
  whole title, right, So I guess I've come around to say now I
• 2:47:56
  think he will hold it. Yes, okay, So I would have been
• 2:48:01
  in agreement with y'all that most like most people, that Seth Rollins probably was
• 2:48:05
  not going to lose the title anytime soon. That the window for him to
• 2:48:09
  have dropped it would have been feuding with Sinsk or a Damien priest Cash prior
• 2:48:15
  to this. But that prior to Survivors Series. I was pretty much of
• 2:48:20
  the mindset that he's probably gonna hold it to WrestleMania. However, now that
• 2:48:26
  CM punk is back in there, and now that people are practically drooling at
• 2:48:31
  the mouth for a CM Punk seth Rollins match, that match has so much
• 2:48:39
  hype behind it already without them too having said it single words to each other,
• 2:48:43
  even with seth Rolins even acknowledging it on Monday and you know, kind
• 2:48:46
  of helping the whip up that flame a little bit more with people with him,
• 2:48:50
  you know, antagonizing seampunk fans who were chatting during his segment. But
• 2:48:56
  that match can now happen without the World Heavyweight Championship. You can make that
• 2:49:05
  match happen and it can be a dream match on its own. With just
• 2:49:07
  those two, it has huh, when't you gonna take the title off?
• 2:49:16
  That's what That's what I'm getting. That's where I'm That's where I'm going with
• 2:49:20
  this. Like seth Rollins and seeing Punk has to me, it has the
• 2:49:26
  rock Hulk Hogan type of energy behind it in terms of people wanting it to
• 2:49:31
  happen that much in that match can have that kind of hype for it where
• 2:49:35
  it could be the show stealing match without involving a title. So Seth Rollins
• 2:49:41
  could drop that title at the Rumble and to whoever whether it's he could drop
• 2:49:50
  it to Drew McIntyre at the Rumble. And with Seth Rollins now being free
• 2:49:58
  of the title, with not having the title, he's now free to go
• 2:50:01
  full on into a feud with see Him Punk. And now you have two
• 2:50:05
  other people who can have a world title match at WrestleMania. That's something that
• 2:50:11
  wasn't going to happen prior to see Him Punk returning, because, like I
• 2:50:16
  said, prior to see Him Punk returning, we all thought that Seth Rollins
• 2:50:20
  was going to be involved in the world title match at WrestleMania with somebody.
• 2:50:24
  So now you just got yourself a world title there's a potential for two other
• 2:50:31
  superstars to now have that spot that otherwise would not have gotten that spot,
• 2:50:37
  or see Him Punk not here because you now freed up Seth Rollins to have
• 2:50:43
  his featured WrestleMania match, a potential show stealing match with somebody else without needing
• 2:50:50
  the crutch of the World Heavyweight Championship. You can get a you can have
• 2:50:58
  Seth Rollins drop the title. You can have Seth Rollins drop the title fucking
• 2:51:01
  brock Lesner and have brock Lessner to be World Heavweight Champion from Royal Rumble into
• 2:51:05
  Wrestlemedia and then you get Gulter versus brock Leslter of WrestleMania. Or you can
• 2:51:09
  have him drop it to Drew McIntyre. Let Drew McIntyre get his title run
• 2:51:13
  from the Rumble to Wrestlemedia. Have him drop it the fucking Guilter. Let
• 2:51:16
  Gulter become the world champion surprise and a surprise win or something at that like
• 2:51:20
  that, and then he goes into WrestleMania defending the World Heavweight Championship against somebody,
• 2:51:26
  like there's opportunities there to put whoever you want in the World Heavyweight Championship.
• 2:51:33
  Pitcher, now that you have a prime opponent for Seth Rollins to face
• 2:51:39
  at WrestleMania without the World Heavyweight Championship. So that's my argument against people who
• 2:51:46
  think that Seth Rollins is taking opportunities from others. Depending on how his book,
• 2:51:52
  he may actually be giving others opportunities that would other or not that would
• 2:51:56
  otherwise not be there, at least in the near future. Going beyond that
• 2:52:03
  TBD, But at least in the near future, at least in this prime
• 2:52:07
  season that we're about to enter known as Russellmania's season, there's opportunity there that
• 2:52:13
  otherwise would not be there. There's only two pay per views between now and
• 2:52:20
  then, that's the only thing sure. But I would I would like to
• 2:52:24
  see the title change on Wrong I'll tell you that. Yeah, I feel
• 2:52:28
  like seth Rawlins should lose it on pay per view. I agree, I
• 2:52:35
  think he should. I think and I think the rumble is the prime pay
• 2:52:37
  per view for him to drop it now. Admittedly, as far as how
• 2:52:43
  seth Rollins would be booked moving forward, I kind of see him. I
• 2:52:48
  don't see him as being a full time talent now. He may decide that
• 2:52:52
  he wants to be and be on air full time, but I almost kind
• 2:52:56
  of see him as being more of a featured talent on WW almost to the
• 2:53:01
  same extent of a Lesner or Roman reigns. At this point, although not
• 2:53:07
  as infrequently appearing as they are, he would appear more frequently. Maybe something
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  along the lines of edge was during this last run where he show up work
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  a program be done with that go away for a while and then come back
• 2:53:22
  work a program again, not like Lesnar or Rains where they work like two
• 2:53:26
  programs a year or something like that, like Leslion does or Roman, who's
• 2:53:31
  steadily declined in his appearances since over the last three years. It's an understatement,
• 2:53:37
  right, yeah, but I could see, like I could see seeing
• 2:53:43
  Punk working like fairly consistently from now to WrestleMania, like being on air,
• 2:53:50
  if not every week, maybe every other week, you know, if they
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  were to, if they could put him in and find somebody to put him
• 2:53:56
  in a feud with, have a few with that person, building up to
• 2:54:01
  the Rumble, and then maybe after the Rumble, you don't see him for
• 2:54:05
  a few weeks, maybe until maybe maybe from the Rumble to elimination Chamber,
• 2:54:11
  maybe he's not on television, you don't have him involved in anything. Then
• 2:54:15
  post elimination chamber, boom, he shows up. You go full speed ahead
• 2:54:22
  seeing Punk seth rollins into WrestleMania. Then they have that feud. Then after
• 2:54:26
  WrestleMania, maybe seeing Punk's gone for a while, or maybe he hangs around
• 2:54:31
  to a backlash. Then after that, maybe he's gone for another couple of
• 2:54:33
  months and he comes back. I could see him being in that role to
• 2:54:37
  where he's there when you need him. He can work programs. He's on
• 2:54:41
  air consistently enough that you don't ever forget about him, but not so much
• 2:54:46
  that he's completely sucking up space from others that there's still space for others to
• 2:54:50
  shine when he's not there. And then he shows up, he's working a
• 2:54:54
  dedicated program with you know what, with another person or a few the people,
• 2:55:01
  and that's it. And I think that's the good. That's a balance
• 2:55:03
  that you can strike with somebody of his of his caliber. Mm hmm.
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  At least that's how I would book him if it was me. I guess
• 2:55:15
  we're just going to find out. So we want to see him more often
• 2:55:20
  than Roman reigns, less often than rear Ripley. Yes, I mean there
• 2:55:26
  are a few often than if he's if he's on my TV every week,
• 2:55:31
  I'm gonna be very unhappy. I mean, I would love to be wrong,
• 2:55:37
  I'd love to be wrong, but I just he's been a fucking pain
• 2:55:41
  in the ass everywhere he goes. Uh. And you all know people like
• 2:55:45
  that, you know people that get fired from every job. Everybody fucking hates
• 2:55:48
  him. They're just jerk ops. And I feel like he's that person,
• 2:55:52
  you know, like there's just those people that nobody likes and because their asshole.
• 2:55:58
  He's an asshole. But yet they always stick around because as much as
• 2:56:01
  nobody likes them, they're just damn good at what they do. So they
• 2:56:05
  always they're always gonna have a place. Yeah, that's said, guys.
• 2:56:11
  I have the question of the episode. I'd like to get to kind of
• 2:56:16
  pertains to this. So let me see. I'm gonna pull it up.
• 2:56:20
  It was written in by Andrea. I'm gonna play her new bumper. Would
• 2:56:30
  you like to answer a question? Why at this particular time would you like
• 2:56:33
  to do it? And I want to ask you a bunch of questions.
• 2:56:41
  I want to have them answered immediately. Can I ask a question? Joe
• 2:56:46
  Man more questions? I'm sorry about that, all right? So she asked,
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  first, can somebody please blained to me what marking out means? Uh?
• 2:57:03
  Did it come from a see the CM punk era? And her second
• 2:57:07
  question was what would you consider the greatest of all time sempunk moment? Well,
• 2:57:16
  marking out that's pretty simple. Uh, I'll even man, there's there's
• 2:57:24
  a Bleacher Report Wrestling term Official Wrestling Dictionary, and they have marking out as
• 2:57:31
  labeled. Uh let's see here, and mark is someone who idolizes a particular
• 2:57:37
  wrestler, often to the point of excessiveness, to the most used term on
• 2:57:43
  Bleacher Report. Uh yeah. So marking out basically is like when we get
• 2:57:48
  excited, when we when we're really you know, we're really into it.
• 2:57:52
  You know, you're you're clapping, your cheering, and you're getting out of
• 2:57:54
  your seat. You know, you're you're singing to the music, the entrance
• 2:58:00
  music. You know, kind of like that, That's what marking out could
• 2:58:05
  be. As for the moment see him punk moment for me, I you
• 2:58:13
  know he has let's see yeah, he has a bunch of good match good
• 2:58:20
  fuse, I would say if you most notably twenty eleven John Cena, when
• 2:58:26
  he his contract was running out, he basically won the ww title from John
• 2:58:33
  Cena in Chicago and hopped the barrier and left, got in a cab and
• 2:58:39
  took the WWT title. Didn't re sign. You know, he came back
• 2:58:43
  eventually, but you know it was the summer. He came back like two
• 2:58:46
  weeks something like that because there was a review. Uh, you know,
• 2:58:52
  John Cena. I think some was it Johnson? Yeah, John Cena won
• 2:58:58
  the title or something like that. Either way, like yeah, the feud
• 2:59:01
  overall was pretty good. The Jeff Hardy feud, the Ray Maistereo, Daniel
• 2:59:09
  Bryan, these are all good fuds. Chris Jericho, the Undertaker was probably
• 2:59:16
  yeah, brock Lesnar with Paul Haymon. He was with Paul Haymond for a
• 2:59:22
  while too. Most notable you know last title run against the Rock Rainy were
• 2:59:30
  in even Back to East when he won the e c W title with John
• 2:59:33
  Morrison. So he had a lot of good feuds, you know, delivered
• 2:59:39
  great promos. You know, a lot of us remember the the pipe bomb,
• 2:59:46
  John Cena. While you you lay there, hopefully as uncomfortable as you
• 2:59:50
  possibly can be, I want you to listen to me. I want you
• 2:59:54
  to digest this because before I leave in three weeks with your w W E
• 2:59:58
  champion, I have a lot of things I want to get off my chest.
• 3:00:09
  I don't hate you, John, I don't even dislike you. I
• 3:00:13
  do like you. I like you hell a lot more than I like most
• 3:00:16
  people in the back. I hate this idea that you're the best, because
• 3:00:28
  you're not. I'm the best. I'm the best in the world. There's
• 3:00:37
  one thing you're better at than I am, and that's kissing Vince McMahon's ass.
• 3:00:48
  You're as good as kissing Vince's ass, as hul Cogan was. I
• 3:00:54
  don't know if you're as good as Dwayne, though he's a pretty good ass
• 3:00:58
  kiss always was and still is. Ooks I'm breaking the fourth wall. I
• 3:01:09
  am the best wrestler in the world. I've been the best ever since day
• 3:01:18
  one when I walked into this company, and I've been vilified and hated since
• 3:01:24
  that day because Paul Hayman saw something in me that nobody else wanted to admit.
• 3:01:33
  That's right. I'm a Paul Hayman guy. You know who else was
• 3:01:35
  a Paul Hayman guy. Brock Lesner, and he's split just like I'm splitting.
• 3:01:41
  But the biggest difference between me and Brock is I'm going to leave with
• 3:01:46
  the WWE Championship. I've grabbed so many of Vincent k mcman's imaginary brass rings
• 3:02:07
  that it's finally dawned on me that they're just that they're completely imaginary. The
• 3:02:11
  only thing that's real is me and the fact that day in and day out
• 3:02:16
  for almost six years. I have proved everybody in the world that I am
• 3:02:20
  the best on this microphone, in that ring, even at commentary. Nobody
• 3:02:26
  can touch me. And yet you know how many no matter how many times
• 3:02:33
  I prove it, I'm not on your lovely little collector cups. I'm not
• 3:02:37
  on the cover of the program. I'm barely promoted. I don't get to
• 3:02:41
  be in movies. I'm certainly not on any crappy show on the USA network.
• 3:02:46
  I'm not on the poster WrestleMania. I'm not in the signature that's produced
• 3:02:50
  at the start of the show. I'm not on Conan O'Brien, I'm not
• 3:02:58
  on Jimmy Fallon. But the fact in the matter is I should be.
• 3:03:01
  And trust me, this isn't sour grapes. But the fact that Dwayne is
• 3:03:05
  in the main event of WrestleMania next year and I'm not makes me sick.
• 3:03:16
  Oh hey, let me get something straight. Those of you who are cheering
• 3:03:18
  me right now, you are just the biggest part of me leaving is anything
• 3:03:24
  else, because you're the ones that are sipping out of those collector cups right
• 3:03:28
  now. You're the ones that buy those programs that my face isn't on the
• 3:03:31
  cover of and then at five in the morning at the airport you try to
• 3:03:35
  shove it in my face so you can get an autograph and try to sell
• 3:03:37
  it on eBay because you're too lazy to go get a real job. I'm
• 3:03:46
  leaving with the WWE Championship on July seventeenth, and hell, who knows.
• 3:03:50
  Maybe I'll go defend it in New Japan Pro Wrestling. Maybe I'll go back
• 3:03:54
  to Ring of Honor. Hey, Cole Comana, how you doing. The
• 3:04:05
  reason I'm leaving is you people, because after I'm gone, you're still gonna
• 3:04:09
  pour money into this company. I'm just a spoke on the wheel. The
• 3:04:13
  wheel's gonna keep turning, and I understand that. But Vince McMahon's gonna make
• 3:04:18
  money to spite himself. He's a millionaire who should be a billionaire. You
• 3:04:24
  know why he's not a billionaire. It's because he surrounds himself with glad handing,
• 3:04:30
  nonsensical yes men like John laurniis who's gonna tell him everything that he wants
• 3:04:37
  to hear. And I'd like to think that maybe this company will be better
• 3:04:41
  after Vince McMahon's dead. But the fact is it's it's gonna get taken over
• 3:04:46
  by his idiotic daughter and his dufust son in law and the rest of his
• 3:04:50
  stupid family. Let me tell you a personal story about Vince McMahon. All
• 3:04:58
  right, here we do this whole bully camp. Yeah, the pipe bomb
• 3:05:07
  was a great promo. I'll always remember that if you go back, and
• 3:05:13
  I'll probably close to here on the podcast. But the pipe bomb aged pretty
• 3:05:18
  well. I think. Also, I was just listening to his promo against
• 3:05:22
  the Rock the other day where you know your arms are too short to box
• 3:05:24
  with God. Oh, that was another great promo he delivered. Like a
• 3:05:28
  lot of people, I'm glad you're back. I don't care what your schedule
• 3:05:33
  is. I don't care if you work here sixteen days a year, three
• 3:05:37
  hundred and sixty five days a year. You could be Santa Claus and have
• 3:05:39
  his schedule. You can one day a year. I'll still kick your ass.
• 3:05:43
  I don't care how many movies you film every year. I know how
• 3:05:46
  hard that schedule probably is. But every time you come back, whenever you
• 3:05:50
  decide to grace us with your presence, I'm gonna kick your ass because this
• 3:05:58
  isn't candy Land, and I'm like nobody you've ever faced before. You can
• 3:06:03
  make fun of the color of my T shirt, and you can talk about
• 3:06:07
  pie, and you can sing songs, and you can rhyme, and you
• 3:06:09
  can do your tired lame ass stick. I just want you to know that,
• 3:06:13
  Come Royal Rumble, and you have about three weeks to realize this.
• 3:06:18
  I'm gonna kick your ass because I'm the best in the world. I'm the
• 3:06:22
  best thing going today. I'm the best guy you've ever stepped foot in the
• 3:06:26
  ring with. And you need to understand. Congratulations, Rock, you just
• 3:06:31
  graduated from the Katie table, but you just bit off more than you can
• 3:06:33
  chew. You're playing little league with your little insults and your rhymes and your
• 3:06:39
  millions and millions and your finals, and I'm in the big leagues and I'm
• 3:06:43
  swinging for the fence. You need to understand that your little jabs and your
• 3:06:48
  insults, it's all katie games. You can't leave a mark on the champ's
• 3:06:54
  face. Come Royal Rumble, Understand when you step in the ring, your
• 3:07:00
  arms are just too short to box with. God. That's just one thing
• 3:07:05
  I thought he did really well was being on the mic. You know,
• 3:07:09
  sometimes putting it blatantly obvious, putting the truth out there that people didn't want
• 3:07:13
  to you know, especially the wrestler didn't want to hear. You know,
• 3:07:16
  Jeff Hary didn't want to hear about, you know, talk Sam Punk would
• 3:07:20
  bring up his drinking problem. You know, Sampunk would like to hit your
• 3:07:24
  way. It really hurts, you know, And if you were a Mark,
• 3:07:28
  you know, a really good fan, you would know and you would
• 3:07:31
  be like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's a yeah, Jeff Hary
• 3:07:35
  does have a drinking problem. That's they're really gonna talk about that. Huh.
• 3:07:39
  They're really gonna drive that in there. But yeah, a lot of
• 3:07:43
  great feuds. I I don't I don't know. I say for me,
• 3:07:50
  the Summer Punk twenty eleven is probably his best feud Doyle. I mean you
• 3:07:56
  you were a Punk fan at one point. What there are some of your
• 3:08:00
  favorite fews with him? Oh? Well, yeah, I mean that that
• 3:08:05
  that John Cener match and I think it was money in the bank, right,
• 3:08:09
  That was a good one he had. I want to say he his
• 3:08:13
  Taker match was really good? Was that twenty nine? Uh? He had
• 3:08:18
  a good he had a summer Slam match with with Brock I think I think
• 3:08:22
  it was Summer Slam. Yeah, that was pretty good, good, pretty
• 3:08:26
  good David and Goliath match. But I did want to add the term mark
• 3:08:33
  wrestling comes from the carnivals, uh and the people that they separate from their
• 3:08:39
  money they called Marx. You know, the people that are coming to see
• 3:08:43
  the show, be it be it two guys pretending to wrestle each other,
• 3:08:48
  or a geek biting the head off a chicken, or a guy wrestling a
• 3:08:52
  bear or whatever it is. Those are the marks. That's where the term
• 3:08:56
  comes from. It's from an old carnival term. Yeah, good carnival terms,
• 3:09:05
  tred I mean, I mean, I know you didn't watch much of
• 3:09:07
  Punk. Do you do you recall any hearing the whispers of some maybe the
• 3:09:13
  best few he's had. Yeah. Unfortunately for me, CM Punk's run was
• 3:09:20
  during the time when I wasn't watching wrestling yep, So I can't really say
• 3:09:26
  that I have any notable moments with seeing Punk where any of them stood out
• 3:09:31
  to me. True be told. Probably the only match only see them Punk
• 3:09:37
  match that I ever really did watch fully through was his match with the Rock
• 3:09:43
  where he dropped the title to the Rock going into the WrestleMania and I wasn't
• 3:09:50
  watching, but that was at the tail end of seeing Punk's run. That
• 3:09:54
  was at the end of it. That wasn't Probably wasn't seeing Punk in is
• 3:09:58
  during the prime of his w W run, so you know, and I
• 3:10:01
  damn sure wasn't in tuning it into that match for seeing Punk. I was
• 3:10:05
  suing it into that match for the Rock. So yeah, as far as
• 3:10:09
  the greatest seeing Punk moment, that's something that I don't have because again,
• 3:10:15
  his run was during the era I wasn't watching wrestling Doyle. Do you remember
• 3:10:20
  when he dropped the urn? Yeah, his taker Paul was great. Oh
• 3:10:28
  man, He's tossing the urn around, right, he had the undertakern.
• 3:10:31
  He's tossing around and he drops it on air and I laughed because I was
• 3:10:35
  like, that's awesome. But yeah, like he took all you know,
• 3:10:39
  that's when he was with Paul Hammon and Paul Haymond dressed up like Paul Barrett
• 3:10:43
  and came out and then and then like seeing Punk took all the ashes out
• 3:10:48
  and put them all over Taker. Oh man, it was so good,
• 3:10:52
  such a good feud. He made the best of it. Yeah, I
• 3:10:56
  don't know if he's that guy anymore. Yeah, we're gonna find out.
• 3:10:58
  You know, WW is a different breathe than a W. I mean,
• 3:11:03
  we're gonna see, We're definitely gonna see. It's I'm hoping hopefully. I'm
• 3:11:09
  not looking at this with rose colored glasses or lenses or however the phrases like
• 3:11:16
  you're pretty rosy. Yeah, look at the old glory days, you know.
• 3:11:20
  But I mean, there's nothing wrong with optimism. There's nothing wrong with
• 3:11:24
  being optimistic about it. Hope for the best. That's all I got right
• 3:11:30
  now for Survivor series. I'm sure we'll have more on CM punk. You
• 3:11:35
  know, we missed one episode the Predictions, but we bounced back with a
• 3:11:41
  two point zero version. Newer music, newer everything, Dre, Do you
• 3:11:46
  want to plug anything? I don't really have anything to plug at the moment.
• 3:11:52
  Just as always, y'all can find me in the PCW discord and where
• 3:11:56
  I'm sharing my thoughts on raw and and PLS live as they happen every week
• 3:12:03
  and every month. Yeah, Doyle, Yeah, I'm just in the discord,
• 3:12:09
  But remember to like the Facebook page. You can find it just under
• 3:12:13
  a pc W podcast Championship Wrestling. That's us. Uh so like us over
• 3:12:20
  there you can links to all the website where you can get all the episodes
• 3:12:24
  and everything. And I just breaking news while we were recorded, I got
• 3:12:31
  an email from Pro Wrestling teas my shipment is on the way my pc W
• 3:12:39
  shirt and h God knows when one of these days. That's awesome, man,
• 3:12:46
  that is awesome. Yeah, you can find me anywhere a semi dried
• 3:12:52
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• 3:13:00
  Taste it to our discord. You know, you can leave reviews there.
• 3:13:03
  We can read them all out here online. You want to ask a question
• 3:13:07
  like Andrew does every episode? This is right in. You know, we'll
• 3:13:11
  sit here, we'll gabble about it, we'll talk about it. Uh,
• 3:13:16
  that's it, guys. I think I'm just gonna play the new rolling credits
• 3:13:20
  theme. We're just gonna I just gonna get the hell out of here.
• 3:13:22
  You ready, all right? You are the world's dumbest sign up a bit.
• 3:13:33
  The fact that day in and day out, for amost six years,
• 3:13:37
  I improved everybody in the world that I am the best on this microphone in
• 3:13:43
  that bring give it a commentary. Nobody can touch me. You are not
• 3:13:48
  private because the street pumpers and we watch them. Your talk about your sons,
• 3:14:01
  talk about Jehan three sixteen, I step three sixteen says I just whipped
• 3:14:07
  your ass. Well, let me tell you something, brother far rock O
• 3:14:20
  New Day the Queen raised to the top more year my true madness. Yes,
• 3:14:28
  comment to the Kevin Owen Show. Lately, he just hasn't been very
• 3:14:35
  oosy because I'm of this and I'm ah, those rotten bastards, Bye bye
• 3:14:58
  bitch. What did it me?