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NANCY GUTHRIE FAMILY CLEARED; DNA TESTING CONTINUES. ‘ANTM’ WINNER ALLEGES “PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE.” AVIVA DRESCHER: JILL ZARIN’S REMARK “DUMB, NOT RACIST.” · Naughty But Nice with Rob Shuter

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  Speaker 1: For sure. It's time nice level lower, lwin low and no.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the naughty but nice Show. It's Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, and who joins us every Tuesday, our
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  Speaker 2: dear friend Delana Dixon.
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  Speaker 1: Heydlana. Are you there?
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  Speaker 3: I am, I'm back.
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  Speaker 1: I missed you last week.
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  Speaker 2: I was in London, you were traveling. We are back
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  Speaker 2: now and so we have a ton of catching gup
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  Speaker 2: to get to lots of celebrity gossip.
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  Speaker 1: Let's jump in, my friends. What time is it? It
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  Speaker 1: is tea time.
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  Speaker 2: Big story at the top of the show. So overnight,
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  Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie's family has been officially cleared as DNA testing continues.
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  Speaker 2: So authorities have formerly cleared Savannah's entire family following the
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  Speaker 2: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, her eighty four year old mommy.
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  Speaker 2: The sheriff said that the siblings and their spouses that's
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  Speaker 2: a keyword here, and their spouses have been ruled out
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  Speaker 2: as suspects and calling anybody that is suggesting this cruel
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  Speaker 2: and emphasizing that the family are the victims here, plain
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  Speaker 2: and simple. If you remember a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: when this tragedy first made headlines, when it first happened,
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  Speaker 2: Savannah's sister's husband was named as a suspect. This circulated
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  Speaker 2: on social media. And when I say named, not by
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  Speaker 2: the police, by a really, in my opinion, reckless reporter.
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  Speaker 2: A reporter was out there, someone I know, someone that
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  Speaker 2: I've worked with, someone that I really used to respect
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  Speaker 2: quite highly. She was out there saying that she had
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  Speaker 2: sources in the police who told her that Savannah's sister's
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  Speaker 2: husband that would be Nancy's son in law. Nancy's son
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  Speaker 2: in law was sup Now, the police did search many homes,
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  Speaker 2: including Savannah's sister. Other people in the media, some quite powerful,
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  Speaker 2: some with millions of followers, kept pushing that narrative. And
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  Speaker 2: he has been living under absolute hell since his name
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  Speaker 2: was released. Once again, not by authorities, not by anybody
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  Speaker 2: in an official office, but by basically bloggers and people
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  Speaker 2: on social media and a couple of really well respected journalists.
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  Speaker 1: And so this blew up. I'm told it was not.
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  Speaker 2: Just devastating for him, Misty, it was devastating for the
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  Speaker 2: whole family. Now we know, you know, mister, your family
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  Speaker 2: is involved in crime in law law enforcements. Whenever something
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  Speaker 2: terrible happens, the police the investigators always look at the
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  Speaker 2: people closest to you first, and historically, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the statistics, it's normally not a stranger. It's normally
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  Speaker 2: somebody that you know. And so I think that's where
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  Speaker 2: this story came came from, that they had to rule
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  Speaker 2: the family members out. It picked up a lot a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stem particularly online. Now we know it's not true.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think I mean in this makes me
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  Speaker 3: so sad this case, that it's been almost three weeks
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  Speaker 3: now and they haven't found this woman. And I think
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  Speaker 3: for some people saying that a family member was involved,
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  Speaker 3: at least it would be somebody who cares about her,
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  Speaker 3: would make sure she has her medication. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that's why people thought it could be a family member.
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  Speaker 3: And statistics show that the percentage of a woman over
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  Speaker 3: eighty being kidnapped by a stranger and held for ransom,
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  Speaker 3: it's almost it's almost zero. And so I don't think
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  Speaker 3: people could wrap their heads around this concept. But as
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  Speaker 3: you said, they've been ruled out for having anything to
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  Speaker 3: do with her disappearance. There are some people, some rumors,
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  Speaker 3: some theories, or you know, believing that maybe it's a
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  Speaker 3: family friend, somebody who knows the family would know the
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  Speaker 3: mother and so would know to prepare that she would
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  Speaker 3: need her medication on a daily basis to keep her alive.
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  Speaker 3: So that might be why you know the son in law,
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  Speaker 3: he has friends, maybe a friend of his did it.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously we're not one hundred percent sure. And what
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  Speaker 3: is the saddest part of this case is with any
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  Speaker 3: missing persons, the first forty eight hours are crucial. That
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  Speaker 3: has passed long, obviously by weeks, and so it's just
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  Speaker 3: something needs to be done. We need some kind of answer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've been realistic about this and I
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  Speaker 2: think we're handling it beautifully and very carefully. Here there
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  Speaker 2: is a lady Innatis missing somewhere and we're all praying
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  Speaker 2: for her return. Savannah's video yesterday was just heartbreaking. She
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  Speaker 2: looks like she's at her at her breaking point. My heartbreaks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also told too, that family members are considering even
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  Speaker 2: taking legal action. It just goes to show you we
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  Speaker 2: escape go to people so quickly when we want an answer,
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  Speaker 2: when we want something to be done and dusted, we
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  Speaker 2: want this to be solved. It's so easy to point
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  Speaker 2: a finger at somebody and then everybody pile on. And
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  Speaker 2: that is not how the justice system. That is not
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  Speaker 2: how this is meant to work. Everybody is innocent until
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  Speaker 2: proven guilty. However, to statistically, I could barely get that out. Statistically,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. It is often more than often somebody
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  Speaker 2: that is related to the victim. It is very rare
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  Speaker 2: that a stranger actually does something like this. It does happen,
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  Speaker 2: but it is very very rare. So I think the
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  Speaker 2: police were just doing what they had to do. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was reckless for reporters to announce that. We
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  Speaker 2: certainly didn't on our show, on our substack, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that's why the police felt like it was important
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  Speaker 2: to come forward and stop these rumors. It is not
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  Speaker 2: her brother in law, it is not Savannah's sister's husband,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the sister, it is not a family member.
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  Speaker 2: Now there is new reporting from Harvey Levin at TMC,
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  Speaker 2: who have been receiving more and more ransom notes. Now
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  Speaker 2: there's reporting that Nancy might have been abducted and taken
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  Speaker 2: to Mexico and more than one person was involved. Just
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  Speaker 2: heartbreak in Once again, we're not going to do a
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  Speaker 2: poll question today. It doesn't feel right voting when somebody's
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  Speaker 2: life is potentially hanging in the balance. It will move
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  Speaker 2: straight along m America's next top model. My goodness, mister,
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  Speaker 2: I sort of forgot about this show. But there was
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: a moment when this was the biggest show on television.
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  Speaker 2: It made Tyra Banks a star. We were addicted to it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: many years later, we're looking back at the show and
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  Speaker 2: not through such rose colored glasses.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Well, obviously, the documentary dropped on Netflix yesterday and it's
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  Speaker 3: all anybody can talk about, including its first winner, Adrian Curry.
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  Speaker 3: And she's saying filming the hit series felt like psychological warfare,
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  Speaker 3: a legend. Contestants were starving, sleep, divibed, and deliberately kept
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  Speaker 3: on edge for better TV. Now, we have to remember
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: this was the height of reality television and people were
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to make it work. So
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: she seems that meals were delayed for hours. Those elimination
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  Speaker 3: nights that we watched in about what five minutes actually
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: stretched past two am, and producers plan toxic questions to
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  Speaker 3: stir in the drama. Now, she also is talking about
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  Speaker 3: those makeovers, which we're watching it back then, you just
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  Speaker 3: like I remember thinking, oh, I just want to see
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  Speaker 3: how this woman looks differently. But she said that they
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: were painful makeovers that left her with scalp wounds and
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  Speaker 3: long term hair damage. Now she insists that she doesn't
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  Speaker 3: hate Tyra Banks, calling her a powerhouse. Obviously she created
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  Speaker 3: one of the most watch shows of the two thous
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  Speaker 3: but believes that the reboot of this do the reboot
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  Speaker 3: of a series because that's how Tyrek ends in spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 3: it's how she ends this doc that she would love
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: to bring it back, would be carefully calculated for damage control,
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  Speaker 3: which makes me think of the Biggest Loser when they
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  Speaker 3: brought it back and were trying to deal with some
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  Speaker 3: of the issues of how they dealt with their contestants
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  Speaker 3: to lose weight. So I don't know, Rob a reboot
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  Speaker 3: of America's Next Talk Model could it work?
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  Speaker 1: Would you watch?
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  Speaker 2: I used to work for Tyres. I've known her for
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  Speaker 2: a really long time. She hustles like she doesn't give up.
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  Speaker 2: The reason she did this interview was not mania. It
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: was because she wants to plan a reboot and she
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: thought this would be a great way. And it's pretty
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: smart actually to acknowledge the sins of your past. Makes
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: the future much easier to go forward with. So I
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: think this is her Mia Kopa, This is her moment.
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  Speaker 2: This is her moment where she can acknowledge that it
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: was a time. It was a show that was very
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  Speaker 2: much of its time. This is what happens. If you've
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: watched The Real Housewives, you see how exhausted and how
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: liquored up, and how producers make you ask saucy questions
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  Speaker 2: to get all the drama. So this sort of really
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: paved the way for those trashy reality shows that we
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  Speaker 2: still love today. I think there is a way for
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: America's Next Couple Top Model.
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  Speaker 1: To move forward.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Tyra can host it, though I
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  Speaker 2: think it should be maybe a brand new generation of it.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: These rebeats never seem to work, do they Like? The
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Queer Eye one did okay, but it wasn't as big
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  Speaker 2: as the first one. America's Biggest Loser wasn't quite as big,
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  Speaker 2: So I get why Tyra wants to do it. But
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: this show has a lot to answer for looking back,
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: it does not hold up. I watched a few episodes
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  Speaker 2: Mystery and Oh Dear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just even the way she answered some
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: of her questions. I'm not sure that she did herself justice.
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  Speaker 3: That's what people are saying that maybe it came off
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  Speaker 3: kind of Oh, you don't seem to be apologizing for
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  Speaker 3: things that happened. You seem to explain not necessarily offering
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  Speaker 3: apologies exactly. And in a new generation that that you know,
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  Speaker 3: values authenticity and owning up to your mistakes, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure it's going to work for a new generation.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna work.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyra is authentic though, she's a tough girl, like
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  Speaker 2: she's not pretending to be anything.
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  Speaker 1: But she might not be the person we want, but
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: she is who she is.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: Talking about that Miss Jane, Remember Miss Jay Alexander on
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: the show, one of my favorites. On the show, he
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: really taught the ladies how to walk. Is revealing that
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: he suffered a stroke. I know December twenty twenty two,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: he had a stroke and is unable to walk, and
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: he said he will be back. He said the following quote,
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  Speaker 2: I taught models how to walk and now I can't walk,
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: not yet.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not over for me, Miss Jay. We want
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: you back. We are rooting for you.
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  Speaker 2: What was shocking though, is he was asked, has Tyra
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  Speaker 2: visited and he said no, not yet. She's sent to
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  Speaker 2: but no. Now, fellow judges Nigel and Jay they did
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: visit him in hospital, but Tyra was a no show. Tyron,
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: you can't help yourself. I mean, I sort of respect
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  Speaker 2: that you are who you are. You're happy to be
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: the villain. She won't say sorry for stuff that she's
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: not sorry for. That's maybe refreshing and slightly alarming at
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: the same time. But she didn't. She didn't go and
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  Speaker 2: visit him. I think the mistake we make, miss Me
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  Speaker 2: and we've worked on TV shows, is that to the public,
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  Speaker 2: to the viewers, there's an image given that were family,
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  Speaker 2: that we're all really good friends and we just all
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: like each other and we hang out and we text
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  Speaker 2: each other. It's not true. It's a job. It is
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  Speaker 2: just not true. It's a job, and it's a stressful job,
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: and it's a job when you're tired, you're under a
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  Speaker 2: lot of pressure. It's a job with people you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: normally hang out with. He'll be friends with and suddenly
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: you're all put on to a show where you've got
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: a smile and pretend to be best friends. Tyra was
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: never that close to anybody on this show, and so
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: they portrayed as a group of friends. In reality, that's
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: just not who Tyra is. She didn't remain friends with
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: any of the models. She didn't remain friends with anybody
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  Speaker 2: from her talk show. She had her own talk show
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: in La Chrissy Teagan that didn't last very long. And
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: then also too, She's not friends with anybody from Dancing
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: with the Stars. It's just not how Tyler Tyra rolls.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: It's just not her thing. I think, though, I do
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: think miss Jay I would like to think there's enough
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  Speaker 2: decency there that if you were in New York, if
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: you could pop in and see him, you would.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: Will or to send some flowers, but look, Tara's got
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: him Moto and it's I'm trying to run up business.
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  Speaker 2: Tyra Tyra Tyra Okay, moving along with Viva Dresher, one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite housewives. You've not heard from her in
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  Speaker 2: a while. He's defending Jill saren So. She did rachel
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  Speaker 2: Yucutel's podcast. I know rachel Lelooloono I as a guest
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  Speaker 2: on that show a couple of months ago. It's a great,
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  Speaker 2: great podcast, and so Aviva was on, Jill has just
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: been fired from the reboot of The Real houh size,
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  Speaker 2: Aviva's defending her. What do you think what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Aviva is drawing a distinction between what Jill
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  Speaker 3: said and she's standing by her former castmates. So sometimes
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  Speaker 3: they really are friends again, like you said. She was
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: on the Misunderstood with Rachel Yucutel show, and she basically
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: addressed the backlash that Jill received after her now deleted
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl halftime rant about bad Bunny, which ultimately cost
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  Speaker 3: her a spot on Ease upcoming reboot. Aviva said, I've
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  Speaker 3: known Jill since twenty eleven. I've never thought of her
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  Speaker 3: to be racist. That was the thing that stung. But
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  Speaker 3: Yviva did not make excuses for the remarks. She said
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  Speaker 3: it was completely stupid, but I don't think it came
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  Speaker 3: from a hateful place. One thing that have Eva made
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  Speaker 3: clear is that she would never do a show with
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  Speaker 3: someone she thought was racis so obviously these housewives were
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  Speaker 3: truly friends. I mean, it's so hard. It's interesting. We
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  Speaker 3: want reality stars to be shocking and say things that
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  Speaker 3: were go ooh, but there's a thin line over what
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  Speaker 3: you can say where it gets into territory where it's
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  Speaker 3: just unacceptable, and for Jill's arin unfortunately, the comment that
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: she made and how she chose to frame it, because
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: you know what, if you didn't like the Bad Benny show,
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  Speaker 3: that is your opinion. You're allowed not to like it.
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  Speaker 3: There have been Super Bowl shows that I've watched and
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: I haven't necessarily thought they were the best. But I
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: think it's the certain wording that she put in that
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  Speaker 3: caused a problem for the show. And you have to
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: the show is thinking not that they hate Jill. They're
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: thinking about advertisers and protesting and things like that, And
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: I have to weigh the two. Do we go through
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: that or do we just say this is not the
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: job for you. So you have to think reality stars, yes,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: say what's on your mind, but make sure that it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't cross that m.
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  Speaker 2: Very wise, Miss t I have trouble with this, and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I really like Aviva. On one hand, I think it's
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: admirable that she's sticking up for somebody who's a friend.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I stick up for my friends, But I don't want
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: to go down the road where you're basically saying they
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: were nice to me. Which is something that a lot
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: of people do to excuse bad behavior. It would have
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: been very easy for me to say I used to
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: work for did he did? He was nice to me,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Yes he was, But that does not mean he's not
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: a monster. He's a monster, he just wasn't a monster
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  Speaker 2: to me. And so, Aviva, I think that's a much
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: more subtle and much more smart way of framing this.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: You don't know if Jill is a racist or not.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: You know that she wasn't racist in front of you,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: but you don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: We spend so much of our lives with ourselves. The
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: only person that really knows one hundred percent of Jill's Aaron, Jill,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Zarah and nobody else. And she said what she said,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: She said what she said, and so she's only got
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: herself here to blame. Some people call it cancel culture.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I like to call it consequence culture. You're allowed to
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: have your opinions, you really are. You're allowed to say stuff,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: but if you say certain stuff, I might not want
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: to listen to you any more. And so, Aviva, I
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: get what you're doing here. You're a good friend, You're
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: really trying to be a good friend, but don't fall
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: into that trap of saying they were nice to me.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't excuse everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll
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  Speaker 2: be right back. Welcome back to the naught even nice
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  Speaker 2: Show'm your host, Tom. Shoot you my dear friend, Miss g.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: There is no poll result to get to. We've really
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: been careful about the polls the last few weeks since
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Savannah's mummy went missing. We don't want to do poles
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: on somebody's tragedy, so let's get straight too and nice.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Of the day, Well, our nicest of the day are
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the America's Next Top Model documentary directors, because they're telling
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: us why Tyra agreed to sit down and have it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: So they say they were shocked that Tyro agreed to participate,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: but once she did, everything was on the table. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: the filmmakers are named Daniel Sivin and more Laoshi. She
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: sat down for more than four hours and she was
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: told that nothing would be censored, and she hasn't seen
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the final codmit and she might have seen it by now.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: But the doc holds Tyra accountable for controversial moments while
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: acknowledging the early two thousands reality TV culture that fueled them.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: One topic that she did refuse to discuss was her
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: fractured relationship with j Manuel and so as for that
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: rumored cycle twenty five, America's tech model, Tyra and Ken,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: who was the director of this series back in the day,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: are dying to reboot it, but hope that it would
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: evolve with the times. Now, God should If it evolves
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: with the times, it's because of you guys, If you
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  Speaker 3: guys are controlling it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, serious, this is interesting too, and I do like
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  Speaker 2: that this is the only moment of vulnerability that I
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  Speaker 2: saw from Tyra in the entire documentary. When they asked
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  Speaker 2: about this friendship, she made it clearer. She didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to speak about it. She could have told a lie,
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  Speaker 2: she could have made something of she could have brushed
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  Speaker 2: away the question. It was Tyra at her most honest
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  Speaker 2: and a most vulnerable, and we don't get to see
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  Speaker 2: that Tira very often, if at all. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: made it all such a nice, truthful moment. And now
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  Speaker 2: my naughty is today naughty naughty. So Silence of the
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  Speaker 2: lambstar Ted Leviean has apologizing for Buffalo Bill's role amid
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  Speaker 2: transgender criticism. So when Silence of the Lambs came out
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, it really really gave an insight
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  Speaker 2: into the trans community that is just not accurate, and
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  Speaker 2: people at the time knew it. They to adapt the
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  Speaker 2: script a little bit, but it was quote effing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the actor who played Buffalo Bill is saying.
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  Speaker 1: He said.
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  Speaker 2: Over the years, critics have argued that characters reinforced harmful
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  Speaker 2: stereotypes about trans and gender nonconforming people. He said that
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  Speaker 2: he wish it had dealt with all this better and
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  Speaker 2: had a little bit more understanding. It's amazing. We were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about America's next top model. Also movies, when
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  Speaker 2: you look back, do they hold up finally apologizing. Let's
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  Speaker 2: Every breakthrough begins with awkwardness. Everything you're good at today,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.
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