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Fictional Women Around the World: Mabel Mora · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you, a production
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  Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another edition of Fictional Women
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  Speaker 2: Around the World.
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  Speaker 1: Our sub sub sub sub segment.
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  Speaker 2: This one will have a light spoilers for the show
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  Speaker 2: Only Murders in the Building.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, which.
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  Speaker 2: I just watched the most recent episode, as We Come Out,
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  Speaker 2: which was episode nine of season four. Things are happening,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to go too much into it,
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  Speaker 2: but there will be spoilers. So today we are talking
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  Speaker 2: about Mabel Mora. Mabel Mora is a character on the
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  Speaker 2: show Only Murders in the Building, played by Selena Gomez.
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  Speaker 2: She stars opposite Steve Martin and Martin Short in a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The show is about them making a podcast, and you
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  Speaker 2: were actually the one who introduced it to me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I was like looking for shows about.
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  Speaker 1: Podcasts and this is one. It's quite funny. This is one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is essentially the three live in this building
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  Speaker 2: in New York called the Arconia and they bond over
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  Speaker 2: their love of true crime podcast. It's especially a show
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  Speaker 2: that is very much making fun of cereal.
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  Speaker 1: This love and a Murder in the Building.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually leads them to starting their own podcast called Only
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  Speaker 2: Murders in the Building. Through the podcast, they get to
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of a death from Maple's past and uncover
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  Speaker 2: other murderous activity. Enough for five seasons, because we're on
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  Speaker 2: season four, but they have already announced the fifth season,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm very confident is going to be a continuation
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  Speaker 2: of this current season.
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  Speaker 3: Oh really, I haven't watched it recently, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: know exactly what's going on, but at this point, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all just need.
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  Speaker 1: To like, y'all are have some bad luck.
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  Speaker 3: I would not be your friend or acquaintance and I
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  Speaker 3: would not live there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no spoilers, but yes, but it is interesting because
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  Speaker 2: even though there's four seasons, it's actually the amount of
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  Speaker 2: time that passed isn't that much.
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  Speaker 1: So this is happening pretty quick.
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe you can say, like, oh, okay, well, surely
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  Speaker 2: there won't be another murder.
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  Speaker 1: But alas but alas al.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, they were definitely poking fun at Cereal, the
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  Speaker 2: NPR podcast that really kickstarted a lot of the podcast
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  Speaker 2: growth that we've seen, which is hosted by Cindy Canning
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  Speaker 2: played by Tina Fay, who does appear in multiple seasons,
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  Speaker 2: even going so far as to offer Mabel a job.
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  Speaker 1: So okay. Mabel is usually.
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  Speaker 2: Described as a millennial who doesn't know what she wants.
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  Speaker 2: She lost her father as a child. They used to
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  Speaker 2: do puzzles together before he died of cancer while she
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  Speaker 2: was young. After he died, she watched Girl Cop to Cope,
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  Speaker 2: which is the show that starred Ben Gilenroy slash Paul Rudd.
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  Speaker 2: When she was growing up, she would spend her summers
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  Speaker 2: with her rich aunt in the Arconia, and through this
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  Speaker 2: she met a group of friends, and they went on
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  Speaker 2: to call themselves the Hardy Boys. One of the group
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  Speaker 2: was Timkono, the murder at the center of the first season.
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  Speaker 2: Another's Another of the group's father was the superintendent in
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  Speaker 2: the building, and his son made a copy of his
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  Speaker 2: key so they could get into any apartment in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Their group was broken apart after one of them fell
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  Speaker 2: off the roof and died. One of them went to
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  Speaker 2: jail for it, and one of them, Timkono, claimed he
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  Speaker 2: saw what really happened, but wouldn't say what it was.
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  Speaker 2: After a decade, Mabel's aunt asked her to come renovate
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  Speaker 2: her apartment and live there while she was doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Mabel is an artist and embarked on this journey to
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  Speaker 2: paint a mural of the Arconia and all the residents.
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  Speaker 2: This is where she met her podcast buds. At first,
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  Speaker 2: she hit her relationship with Tim and the Hardy Boys
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  Speaker 2: from them, but they eventually found her out and they
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  Speaker 2: had a heated conversation about it and agreed not to
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  Speaker 2: lie to each other anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually they solved the case, or did they? Did they?
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  Speaker 2: While celebrating their triumph, Mabel finds Bunny, apartment board president,
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  Speaker 2: stabbed in her apartment. She also stabs her with knitting
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  Speaker 2: needles because she believes she's being attacked and is framed,
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  Speaker 2: earning the nickname Bloody Mabel. The second season revolves around
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  Speaker 2: them trying to solve Bunny's murder and exonerate themselves. Through this,
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  Speaker 2: she meets and briefly dates artists Alice played by Care DeLavigne.
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  Speaker 2: The trio has some arguments Charles is dating the person
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  Speaker 2: who killed Tim. Still, Mabel cut off a witness's finger
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  Speaker 2: when she was younger and didn't tell them about that.
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  Speaker 1: They seemingly get to the bottom of this murder as well.
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  Speaker 2: Mabel then goes to see Oliver's play Death Razzle Dazzle.
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  Speaker 2: At first it's Death Rattle and then it's Death Razzle Dazzle,
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  Speaker 2: which stars Ben glen Roy, who she's a fan of
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  Speaker 2: of from that show, and he dies opening night or
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  Speaker 2: did he? Mabel felt left out of the trio since
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  Speaker 2: she was the only one that wasn't in the play,
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  Speaker 2: and she was annoyed that they were ignoring the podcast
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  Speaker 2: and Ben's death because they believed it would interfere with
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  Speaker 2: the play. They didn't really care about Ben and she did.
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  Speaker 2: This culminated and then breaking apart from each other and
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  Speaker 2: Mabel doing the podcast without them. She did bring in
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  Speaker 2: her new boyfriend, Talbert, who I have talked about before.
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  Speaker 2: She moved out of her aunt's apartment after it was
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  Speaker 2: done being renovated and it was sold, and in with
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  Speaker 2: one of the hardy boys, THEO. The crew eventually came
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  Speaker 2: together to solve this murder.
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  Speaker 1: Or did they?
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  Speaker 2: Then, of course, another murder happened. It was someone close
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  Speaker 2: to the trio and involved with a movie getting made
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  Speaker 2: about their podcast. Mabel negotiated her life rights and started
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  Speaker 2: to get used to the title of podcast producer. Her
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  Speaker 2: character is played by Eva Longoria, who plays her as
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  Speaker 2: a much more assured person Amabel. This influenced Mabel's own
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  Speaker 2: decisions and she started like being more aggressive. I guess
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  Speaker 2: based on Eva Longoria. She started squatting the apartment where
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  Speaker 2: the murderer may have lived and without spoiling at this
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  Speaker 2: about brings us to where we are, so themes when
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  Speaker 2: I think about this character, She's the one that actually
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  Speaker 2: seems to really care about not only the podcast but
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  Speaker 2: the people involved.
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  Speaker 1: It's always sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of like Steve Martin and Martin Short doing their thing
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  Speaker 2: and her being like the adult in the room and saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, someone has died. We need to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: That dynamic has slightly changed in the recent season because
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  Speaker 2: it was somebody actually close to them that died, so
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bit different. But she's always been the
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  Speaker 2: one that is like driving this podcast, is trying to
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  Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. She's definitely the best
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  Speaker 2: interviewer because the other two are extremely awkward. She's very
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  Speaker 2: adaptive in the interview style too, like in the second
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  Speaker 2: season she boxed with somebody she was interview She's just
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  Speaker 2: as good at finding the way or the place that
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  Speaker 2: will get them in a place where they'll open up
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  Speaker 2: to her, which is interesting because she is a lone wolf.
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  Speaker 2: She said in this season to Eva Longoria, because all
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  Speaker 2: the actors are like following the characters are supposed to play,
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  Speaker 2: and she says to Evil Longoria, do you want to
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  Speaker 2: know about Mabel?
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  Speaker 1: Mabel works alone. So she's got that kind of very
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  Speaker 1: lone wolf y.
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  Speaker 2: But she's also a very empathetic person. As I said,
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  Speaker 2: she's very uncomfortable with attention. She had a kind of
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  Speaker 2: panic moment when she had to act in a recent episode.
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  Speaker 2: She also was learning asl so she could better communicate
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  Speaker 2: with THEO, who's one of the hardy boys. She is
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  Speaker 2: a millennial. They make jokes about that a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: do appreciate she isn't in touch with the us. She
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  Speaker 2: they often describe her as like an old soul. So
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  Speaker 2: it's funny when she she knows how to work technology,
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  Speaker 2: but she's not in touch with like the lingo or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that. And so it's funny when she gets
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  Speaker 2: thrown situations where everyone expects her to to know what
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  Speaker 2: to say and she does not. This season, it has
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  Speaker 2: been a good arc seeing her kind of coming in
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  Speaker 2: her own of being like, oh, I'm a podcast producer
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  Speaker 2: and trying to go after that and secure the money
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  Speaker 2: through contracts that she wants and just telling people that,
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  Speaker 2: getting the confidence to tell people that. Also, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot to say about her not having a love interest
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  Speaker 2: in this current season. She's had on every season but
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  Speaker 2: this one, and they're almost always like it just didn't
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  Speaker 2: quite work. It wasn't like bad, it just kind of
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  Speaker 2: felt shoehorned end almost, And it is pretty rare. I
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  Speaker 2: read an article about it. It's pretty rare for mainstream
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  Speaker 2: comedies that a character like her would not have a
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  Speaker 2: love interest. And there's also the contrast with Martin Schwortz
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  Speaker 2: character having a love interest just so like an older
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  Speaker 2: couple getting together versus Mabel who just doesn't seem that
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  Speaker 2: interested in it.
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  Speaker 3: So wait in the show, is Merle Streep and Martin
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  Speaker 3: short together because I haven't seen this yet.
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  Speaker 2: Spoilers, Yeah, yeah, that translated into real life keep going maybe.
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  Speaker 2: And Mabel's she's having a real moment of introspection about
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  Speaker 2: what she wants and it's been fun to kind of
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  Speaker 2: see comedically through Eva Longoria or who have you her
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  Speaker 2: coming to that realization. Also she's by I kind of forgot,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, she's by rare in TV. Also, she is
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  Speaker 2: certainly the adult. Another joke they make a lot in
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  Speaker 2: the show, and it was it is one of my
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  Speaker 2: things that I still get hung up on sometimes is
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  Speaker 2: like she's so young and they're so old, and like
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  Speaker 2: it's a running joke and it is funny. But also
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  Speaker 2: so many the other women have been younger, like way younger,
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  Speaker 2: so sometimes I do like think about that. But she
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  Speaker 2: is the one that's like giving relationship advice to Martin
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  Speaker 2: Short who got a little paranoid on the Instagram as
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  Speaker 2: she had talk him down. She is definitely the one
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  Speaker 2: with a tech tech as I said, She's also got
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  Speaker 2: like great fashion. They make fun of her for it,
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  Speaker 2: but she's got some solid sweaters. And I was reading
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  Speaker 2: about like the color palette they chose for her and
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  Speaker 2: why they did, and it was really interesting. But it
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  Speaker 2: has been really fun to see the progression of her
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  Speaker 2: character and to get to see Selena Gomez get to
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  Speaker 2: do a bit more with her because she's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like dead pan most of the time, but she's definitely
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  Speaker 2: gotten more space to do stuff this season for sure,
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  Speaker 2: So that's been cool. And I am very excited to
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  Speaker 2: see what happens in the finale next week and in
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  Speaker 2: the next season because I have come this close. I
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  Speaker 2: have a theory, and I have come this close to
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  Speaker 2: posting it on Reddit, and that says something because I
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  Speaker 2: don't like Reddit.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, you're really invested.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think you would be that invested.
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  Speaker 2: I like guessing mysteries, and I just feel like I've
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  Speaker 2: got an idea that I haven't seen anyone else say.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably going to be not that at all.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fun part, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what I think about the age difference
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  Speaker 3: with them, because they do it in such a wholesome way,
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  Speaker 3: as well as the fact that in real life they're
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  Speaker 3: really like like friends in life and the way you
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  Speaker 3: see them on the show, they really are in actuality,
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  Speaker 3: and I find that really endearing, especially when we talk
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  Speaker 3: about Hollywood and shows like that that doesn't give uh,
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  Speaker 3: not just like that, just whole shows in general that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't give much leeway and personality to older actors now
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  Speaker 3: unless they're really legendary, and they are legendary. I know this,
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  Speaker 3: I know this, but like giving them like romantic plot
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  Speaker 3: lines and storylines is so unique that instead of just
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  Speaker 3: being like, oh, they're all elderly and sad and curmudgeon. Like,
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  Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, wrong, I love a good curmudgeon,
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  Speaker 3: but I really like this aspect. I say this as
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  Speaker 3: a person who hasn't watched the last two seasons, but
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  Speaker 3: I did enjoy that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the episode that came out today, I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about it too, in terms of there's a really
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  Speaker 2: moving scene between Steve Martin and Martin Short where they
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  Speaker 2: were talking about essentially like talking about their friendship and
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  Speaker 2: how Steve Martin felt like, oh, now you're getting married
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  Speaker 2: and I thought I thought we were going to like
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  Speaker 2: grow old together and I thought we were gonna but
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  Speaker 2: now I'm gonna be the weird third Will. And I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, you know, you don't really see that
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  Speaker 2: much either, So I do appreciate. I appreciate that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But it is pretty funny. The reason slenyk has was like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: why Eva Longoria, why did they cast you? She's like,
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  Speaker 2: you're wondering why I'm so much older. It's because everyone
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  Speaker 2: thought it was creepy.
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  Speaker 1: It I wondered about.
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  Speaker 3: I was like Eva Longoria like, yeah, said well at
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  Speaker 3: least a decade older than her. That's interesting, well gorgeous
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  Speaker 3: Allegedly the creators.
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  Speaker 1: I think they've said they read the reddit.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, or is that why you want to post on Reddit?
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  Speaker 1: That is not it at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be horrified because I'm almost It's some of those
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  Speaker 2: things where I'm like, this would be so cool if
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  Speaker 2: I was right, but I'm almost certainly not right.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a theory I haven't seen, and it
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  Speaker 1: would be cool.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just say, for everyone who's listening, they're definitely
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  Speaker 2: bringing back an idea I think from the second season.
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  Speaker 1: It's all gonna come together in the fit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but we'll see and listeners, if you have
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  Speaker 2: any theories you would send, then send them. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: the one that usually sees the listener mail for so
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  Speaker 2: Samantha won't be safe.
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  Speaker 1: I won't be spoiled.
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