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David Rutherford Show: The Fabian Society Controls WAY More Than You Think · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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  Speaker 1: Could you please explain what the Fabian Society is and
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  Speaker 1: why we should pay attention to them?
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. These guys themselves were all openly eugenics-oriented, too.
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  Speaker 2: They hated people, number one. They were misanthropic. H.G. Wells,
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  Speaker 2: Bernard Shaw talk about needing to create death camps in
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  Speaker 2: order to weed out the unfit.
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  Speaker 1: Those groups that are part of the Fabian Society that
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  Speaker 1: are a mode of desperation to try and keep control
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  Speaker 1: of the narratives that they have been able to control
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  Speaker 1: for so long like it's breaking free from.
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  Speaker 2: Them in the recent british government it's staffed principally with
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  Speaker 2: fabian society acolytes they do affect world history uh very
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  Speaker 2: bad decision making on a domestic on a policy front
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  Speaker 2: on a military front as you just pointed out but
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  Speaker 2: what are they What's.
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  Speaker 3: The Fabian Society?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a secret society trying to drive us into
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  Speaker 1: war with Russia, the.
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  Speaker 2: European Union, and the EU?
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  Speaker 1: Well, today, I welcome Matthew Erritt to the show, and
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  Speaker 1: he's going to explain what it is and what their
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  Speaker 1: intentions are today.
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  Speaker 2: On The David Rutherford Show.
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  Speaker 3: Matt, welcome to the show, man.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, after watching that Moog guy
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  Speaker 1: and his comments a few weeks ago, basically saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: as European, it's your duty to put on a uniform
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  Speaker 1: and go die for any reason we throw at you.
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  Speaker 1: And then he goes into this huge debate with Tucker Carlson,
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  Speaker 1: this blew up.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I realized in my mind, I really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Understand why, like the underlying groups that kind of these
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  Speaker 1: think tanks.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, I know in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: There's a ton of think tanks that drive foreign policy
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  Speaker 1: and that type of thing from my background. But I
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  Speaker 1: didn't understand the depths and the legacy and lineage of
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  Speaker 1: these groups. So could you please explain what the Fabian
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  Speaker 1: Society is and why we should pay attention to that?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, no, thanks for having me on. And actually,
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  Speaker 2: I just got back from London and my wife and
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  Speaker 2: I had a chance to actually go to the Fabian
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  Speaker 2: Society's official brainwashing institution, the London School of Economics, and
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  Speaker 2: see that infamous window, the stained glass mirror. Sorry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the stained glass window with our own eyes that I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone's seen featuring the wolf in sheep's clothing and
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of the disciples of Beatrice and Sidney Webb,
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  Speaker 2: you know, H.G. Wells, Annie Besant. who are all sort
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  Speaker 2: of the harbingers of a new world order with, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's George Bernard Shaw, hammering away at the world
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  Speaker 2: on a sort of smelter's iron and behind it saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: let us recast it closer to the heart's desire, I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Muslim poet that's being cited.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about it, for me, on that video that
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  Speaker 1: you posted, and I love those while you're walking around
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  Speaker 1: doing it, like, you went into the thing and you
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  Speaker 1: filmed kind of the Gregarion chanting in the background and the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole mysticism of it. And I was just like, man,
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  Speaker 2: this really took place.
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  Speaker 1: This was a part of how people evolved their philosophical
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  Speaker 1: understanding of how to, like you said, how to shape
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  Speaker 1: or how to.
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  Speaker 3: Beat the world into this new world order, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating that they still have the examples out in
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  Speaker 1: the open everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. And yeah, you're referring to the video right
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  Speaker 2: before the Fabian video I put out, which was number
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  Speaker 2: six in my occult walking tour. I feature the one
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  Speaker 2: you just referenced where I went into the Mithraeum just
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  Speaker 2: down the street from the London School of Economics. And
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  Speaker 2: the Mithraeum featured a like you said, an actual act
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  Speaker 2: of liturgy that was recorded featuring something that was was
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  Speaker 2: preserved from one of the Mithraeum. And of course, this
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  Speaker 2: one was purchased by Michael Bloomberg himself and restored as
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  Speaker 2: much as they could to its original location. So that
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  Speaker 2: was really, it was interesting because I've been researching this
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  Speaker 2: stuff for years, but to be able to actually walk
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  Speaker 2: into this thing to see the sites made it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more visceral. So I appreciated adding that coloring. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, there's nothing new under the sun, right?
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  Speaker 2: So things that seem, and we do live in like
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  Speaker 2: sort of this think tank world If you look at
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the corruption that really took over the
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  Speaker 2: deep state controls of America, of the Western world, since
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  Speaker 2: especially World War II, a lot of this was the
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  Speaker 2: age of think tanks that would create this veneer of
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  Speaker 2: objective scholars crafting policy based upon evidence-based information. And you
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  Speaker 2: had different... Think tanks set themselves up to accommodate either
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  Speaker 2: a conservative psychological profile or a liberal progressive psychological profile. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, they were
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  Speaker 2: just the cover kind of like the way I see
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  Speaker 2: AI being used today as a cover to say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 2: there are these objective criteria for making policy that are
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  Speaker 2: going to become active policy. drivers of economic military decision-making
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  Speaker 2: affecting the lives of billions of people on the earth.
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  Speaker 2: But it has nothing to do with corrupt agendas or conspiracies.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's just the AI, you know, algorithms using
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  Speaker 2: best evidence-based data coming up with their own best outcomes.
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  Speaker 2: And the same thing Before the days of AI, it
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  Speaker 2: was these think tanks that had that responsibility to give, again,
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  Speaker 2: that objective illusion. But if you look at who created them,
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  Speaker 2: what their operating system was, whether it was the Hudson Institute,
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  Speaker 2: whether it was RAND, whether it was Cato Institute, or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: there was always something tied to the Bilderberg groups, these
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  Speaker 2: older clans, these older bloodlines that have been maintaining a
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  Speaker 2: continuous tradition as a parasite. In my research... going back
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  Speaker 2: to the days of ancient Rome, ancient Babylon, ancient Persia.
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  Speaker 2: And for one of the most influential of those think tanks,
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  Speaker 2: you could say the Fabians definitely rank high in the
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  Speaker 2: echelons and go back to the 1890s or 1880s when
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  Speaker 2: they were originally set up as one of the first
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  Speaker 2: generation modern think tanks in that had both an educational
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  Speaker 2: profile to it, you know, so they had a school
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  Speaker 2: to indoctrinate young talent. That was called, that became the
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  Speaker 2: London School of Economics set up in the 1890s. They
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  Speaker 2: had a political outlet, a party that was called the
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  Speaker 2: Labour Party that they created as a Fabian party to
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  Speaker 2: start infiltrating and taking control of levers of practical political power.
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  Speaker 2: That was set up in 1901. There were similar branches
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  Speaker 2: set up in Canada in the 1930s during the Great Depression.
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  Speaker 2: The Fabian Society had their own thing called the... That's
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  Speaker 2: where I live, is Canada. It was called the League
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  Speaker 2: for Social Reconstruction, set up by five Rhodes Scholars, and
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  Speaker 2: it was... literally the fabian society of canada in the
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  Speaker 2: united states you had uh uh a different expression of
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  Speaker 2: the same thing under the followers of john dewey on
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  Speaker 2: in uh columbia university that became new school in 1919
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  Speaker 2: and it basically was so what what was it uh
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  Speaker 2: just uh for those who don't know that that tony
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  Speaker 2: blair for you know when i mentioned the the uh
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  Speaker 2: the london the the the stained glass window um That
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  Speaker 2: was that was reinstalled or that is found in the
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  Speaker 2: London School of Economics. It was actually lost for a
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  Speaker 2: few decades and it was reinstated in that George Bernard
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  Speaker 2: Shaw library by Tony Blair, who was at the time
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  Speaker 2: the head of the Labour Party, the Fabian Party itself. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the recent British government, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: the Labour government. It's staffed principally with Fabian Society acolytes,
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  Speaker 2: leading figures who went through the echelons in this in
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  Speaker 2: this little club. And so I think it's come to
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  Speaker 2: people's attention that they do affect world history, very bad
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  Speaker 2: decision-making on a domestic, on a policy front, on a
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  Speaker 2: military front, as you just pointed out. But what are they?
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  Speaker 2: So I guess I should say a little something about
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  Speaker 2: what are they, right? Like, why were they created?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because for me, like, that's the interesting, when you
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  Speaker 1: go back and you look at that time period, right?
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  Speaker 1: You had the massive explosion of the Industrial Revolution taking place.
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  Speaker 1: You had Germany that was, you know, building, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their defense capacity at just an exceptional rate, right? You
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  Speaker 1: had the real shift away. The Ottomans were kind of
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  Speaker 1: draining power because they weren't able to keep up with
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  Speaker 1: this industrial revolution. You had the need for a greater
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  Speaker 1: capacity for fuels, for resources, for minerals, right? For oil,
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  Speaker 1: all taking place, you know, in this great, grand transition
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  Speaker 1: from this aggregarian society to this industrial revolution, as well
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  Speaker 1: as you had that postmodernistic explosion that began with Vienna
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  Speaker 1: and thinking and whether it was Karl Marx or Engels
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  Speaker 1: or it was just these really revolutionary minds and thinkers
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  Speaker 1: that were all happening in that one time. I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine like a lot of these Imperial, uh, uh, people
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  Speaker 1: that were still in control had to do were basically like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if we don't adapt some kind of new, uh, methodology that,
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  Speaker 1: that fits in what people are perceiving as modern growth, man,
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  Speaker 1: we're these other ideologies are going to override us. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to take over because they obviously, You know, there
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  Speaker 1: was also the beginnings of a lot of those socialist
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  Speaker 1: revolutions taking place in the 1880s as well, too. So
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  Speaker 1: is that what you found in your research, that all
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  Speaker 1: these confluence of ideas is what sparked the next evolution
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  Speaker 1: of that next society?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean— in large measure they were i would
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  Speaker 2: say that the fabian society would not have been created
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  Speaker 2: had it not been for the success a century earlier
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  Speaker 2: of the american revolution which awoke in the minds of
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  Speaker 2: the people that it is possible to organize society based
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  Speaker 2: upon a rejection of hereditary powers that everyone took for granted.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, of course, there's nobles that run feudal serfdoms.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, there's knights and hereditary chivalric orders that justify
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  Speaker 2: the power structures that be. If you're not born into
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  Speaker 2: the right family, of course, you're not going to influence anything.
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  Speaker 2: And the best you could hope for is maybe... you know,
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  Speaker 2: being a human talking cow, you know, mining the land,
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  Speaker 2: managing the land, and maybe you can become a mercenary
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  Speaker 2: to go and fight in some far-off, you know, crusade
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  Speaker 2: or something. And you could have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: upward mobility and honor before you get, you know, turned
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  Speaker 2: into cannon fodder. But the idea of the American Revolution
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  Speaker 2: was really electric, and it was based upon the idea that, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're all human beings. have the divine spark, and as such,
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  Speaker 2: the concept of law of economics. Everything has to be
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  Speaker 2: completely retooled and redefined around that notion that we're all sovereign.
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  Speaker 2: We're destined for something much better than accepting being slaves
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  Speaker 2: to a master-slave structure of control. The culture thus has
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  Speaker 2: to be elevated to allow for everybody to benefit in
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  Speaker 2: the fruits of scientific and cultural creative thought, not just
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  Speaker 2: the small coterie of elites. And it was something which
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  Speaker 2: was being sabotaged from the get-go. The American Revolution was
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  Speaker 2: in many ways a very successful battle, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a successful war. One is, as I think your viewers know,
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  Speaker 2: the deep state structures today, you can't understand them unless
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  Speaker 2: you go back to the original world. stay behind units
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  Speaker 2: of 1770, you know, 1788, 182 that were always loyal
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  Speaker 2: to the British empire as the city of London, the
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  Speaker 2: East India company, the old hereditary power structures. And maybe
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  Speaker 2: on the surface, you know, some of those leading families
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  Speaker 2: put up a patriotic disposition for the public, while they,
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  Speaker 2: you know, regain and position themselves into situations of influence
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  Speaker 2: within the new Washington administration, some of them basically, you know, were,
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  Speaker 2: stayed openly loyal and pretty much became the leadership of
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  Speaker 2: the British Canadian colony in the north of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: That's always been a bane to the U.S. existence of
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  Speaker 2: genuine patriots since, you know, the 1770s. But there were
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  Speaker 2: stay behind units and they did grow things like Wall Street.
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  Speaker 2: They they generated things like the skull and bones institutions
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  Speaker 2: and these different like Greek letter fraternities as part of
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  Speaker 2: an American ritual recruitment vehicle to get. young talent from
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  Speaker 2: amongst the elite pool to go through systems of humiliation
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  Speaker 2: rituals and other things to become part of the new
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  Speaker 2: managerial class that would then always be working to undermine
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  Speaker 2: and undo the successes of 1776 from within the American,
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  Speaker 2: the heart of America itself. But that being said, it
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  Speaker 2: was not successful in the 19th century. Patriots did come
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  Speaker 2: out at various important moments, keeping the nation together, and
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  Speaker 2: presenting a concrete provable example that there was something superior
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  Speaker 2: about this particular way of, of, of running society than
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  Speaker 2: what the Europeans had been doing, where the U S
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  Speaker 2: was able to outperform economically. Um, you know, the French,
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  Speaker 2: the British, the Belgium, all of these old empires, they were,
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  Speaker 2: they were falling far further and further behind as, uh,
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  Speaker 2: people were being incorporated into the industrial and entrepreneurial process. Um,
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  Speaker 2: So that was spreading and people were getting the idea
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  Speaker 2: in their minds that, hey, we could do this too.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to submit to a system of feudal
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  Speaker 2: controls that we've been doing for centuries and millennia. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Indians, people in India were really inspired by
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  Speaker 2: the idea that, hey, yeah, we can throw off the
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  Speaker 2: yoke of the British Empire's control over us that have
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  Speaker 2: been overseeing mass human extermination and controlled famines. The Irish,
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  Speaker 2: you know, were also inspired by the idea that, hey, yeah, these,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the potato famines, it's not even a potato famine.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a controlled genocide by withholding food, um,
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  Speaker 2: in Ireland to exterminate the intervention. They were like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we should actually follow suit with the American cause and
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  Speaker 2: do something similar. You had people across, uh, China and
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  Speaker 2: Japan saying, you know, also inspired in, in, in Russia
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  Speaker 2: and Germany. So that was really, there was this idea,
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  Speaker 2: this electric movement in the 1860s, especially after the civil
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  Speaker 2: war that, um, that we could get a community of
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  Speaker 2: sovereign nations, you know, respecting each other's differences, but working
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  Speaker 2: together for what makes us human, making the world better
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  Speaker 2: for our kids through big infrastructure projects, um, overthrowing empire.
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  Speaker 2: So the, I would say had that not happened, the
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  Speaker 2: Fabian society wouldn't have been created because it was created
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  Speaker 2: in order to kind of capture that energy. When the
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  Speaker 2: empire realized that the old ways of just smiting, imposing power,
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  Speaker 2: the will to power to strike down the weak, was
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  Speaker 2: not really working that aggressive thing anymore. People were becoming
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  Speaker 2: very aware and astute to the ugly nature of the
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  Speaker 2: British Empire's genocidal ways, that they needed new techniques. And
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  Speaker 2: so they deployed that, especially coming out of the 1870s,
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  Speaker 2: after Lincoln had been murdered, around this idea of taking, utilizing...
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  Speaker 2: A revolutionary language that would appeal to the poor and
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  Speaker 2: the downtrodden and the abused labor of the world that
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  Speaker 2: were feeling, rightfully so, that in many cases they were
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  Speaker 2: working for nothing, you know, for the benefit only of
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  Speaker 2: those controlling the productive powers of labor at the top.
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  Speaker 2: And sure enough, yeah, when you go to Manchester, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at, you know, the stories of, like, you know...
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  Speaker 2: The tale of two cities was very real. People were
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  Speaker 2: really suffering in unjust labor conditions, not just in England,
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  Speaker 2: but in various parts of the world. So the Fabians
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  Speaker 2: around the figure of, again, George Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and
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  Speaker 2: Sidney Webb, these guys were themselves, I mean, people like H.G. Wells,
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  Speaker 2: Bertrand Russell was a leading member for a long period.
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  Speaker 2: Halford Mackinder was a leading Fabian. Now, the thing about
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  Speaker 2: all these guys is that They started saying, okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: use the language of injustice. We'll start criticizing empire and
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  Speaker 2: we'll create a movement that will then appeal to recruiting
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  Speaker 2: more people to our particular form. We'll call ourselves socialists.
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  Speaker 2: that we want to redistribute the wealth of the rich
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  Speaker 2: and evil and give it to the poor and give
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  Speaker 2: more economic justice to the poor and these nice things
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  Speaker 2: that were very appealing. But here's the thing. These guys
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  Speaker 2: themselves were all openly eugenics-oriented too. They hated people, number one.
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  Speaker 2: They were misanthropic. hg wells bernard shaw talk about needing
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  Speaker 2: to create death camps in order to to weed out
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  Speaker 2: the unfit who if you can't justify your existence says
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  Speaker 2: hg wells and bernard shaw if you can't openly justify
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  Speaker 2: utility from a utilitarian standpoint right why you exist you
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  Speaker 2: should be put to the death chambers um so these
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  Speaker 2: guys were were actually eugenics you but but this and
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  Speaker 2: they were also committed to to organizing society in a
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  Speaker 2: in a way that was like more patient so that
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  Speaker 2: they had an idea. Okay. That with, with what we
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  Speaker 2: do with the Fabian society, they were, they said, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: we will utilize the methods that were innovated two millennia
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  Speaker 2: earlier by a figure named Fabius Maximus, who was a
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  Speaker 2: Roman general. And he was a leading patrician. He had
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  Speaker 2: been console under the Roman Republic for a few, I
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  Speaker 2: think a couple of years. And he became the, one
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  Speaker 2: of the leading generals during the second Punic war against
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  Speaker 2: Hannibal and Carthage. And he became the inspiration that was
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  Speaker 2: used for the Fabians. Now, why did they do that?
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  Speaker 2: Because he innovated a technique that involved avoiding head-on conflict
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  Speaker 2: and instead using a new method of defeating your enemy
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  Speaker 2: by evasion and atrophy. So get your enemy to waste
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  Speaker 2: away as you're constantly pulling them into your territory, giving
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  Speaker 2: them false confidence, and just patiently letting their supply chains went,
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  Speaker 2: you know, wind down. And finally, when they're weakened and exhausted,
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  Speaker 2: then you strike, but you, but you wait a very
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  Speaker 2: long time. Um, so that technique was not something that
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  Speaker 2: the British empire or any empire was very good at.
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  Speaker 2: They like getting immediate satisfaction. And so the Fabians were
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  Speaker 2: a bit of an innovation there too. And they're, and
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  Speaker 2: they said, okay, look, you have to get, they're telling
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  Speaker 2: the other elites of the empire, Hey, you, you have
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  Speaker 2: to give some crumbs from the table. You can't keep
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  Speaker 2: all the crumbs to yourself. And so if you want
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  Speaker 2: to be successful, you have to be number one patient.
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  Speaker 2: We have to infiltrate the institutions. So think multigenerationally now.
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  Speaker 2: And you have to start giving little liberties, give little
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  Speaker 2: wins to the Irish, to the Indians, to others to say, OK,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: we won't necessarily encourage independent India. But what we will
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: do is we'll call for home rule and we'll rebrand it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Or in the case of, you know, we'll say respond. government.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You can have your local control with a local elected
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: ministerial class, but only to the degree that it is
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: responsible in that it would, you know, would mean basically
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: doing nothing that really disrupts the interests of the global
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: British empire. Right, right. And we'll give you little things.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: We'll give you little local rights, little, you know, we won't,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: you can, you can worship the name of whatever gods
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you want to. You can, you can be a Catholic.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: If you're in Ireland, you don't have to be an
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Anglican or Protestant. You can be a Catholic and you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: can have your local Catholic administration, but you have to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: still don't ultimately disrupt the game. They did the same
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: thing for anyway, for different parts of the world. And,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and they ended up becoming the, the dominant for they created,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: or they, One of the leading Fabians, Annie Besant, became
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the head of the India Congress Party. She was one
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of the patrons and mentors of Gandhi himself, as well
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: as Jalal Nehru, who studied in the London School of
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Economics and went back as a Fabian, back to becoming
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a manager for the empire in India. working with Lord Mountbatten,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: when Mountbatten was dealing with the fact that the Indians
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: were probably going to break free the empire after World
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: War II, as it was coming to a close, Mountbatten
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: had the problem of saying, well, okay, well, we need India,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: but we can't stop their independence movement completely. So he
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: negotiated with Nehru to say, okay, just, and also Gandhi
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to say, okay, just make everybody wait an extra year
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to give the British a chance to just set things
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in place so that when the British leave, there will
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: be maximum division amongst different ethnic groups, Hindu, Sikh, Muslim. Muslim. Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The Pakistani, the Khyber, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, and that was
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: part of the Fabian tactics in that process, too. Now,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that Joel Oneru or Gadi necessarily were
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: fully in on the game. I'm convinced that they probably
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: were not fully aware of the nature and depth of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: this evil, but despite that, they had major blinders on.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'll say that the very best I could say about them.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think you're 100% on that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just look at the 20th century, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you look at the influence from whether it's the Fabian
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Society or MI6, or it's, you know, like you said,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the Council on Foreign Relations and the National Endowment of Democracy, USAID.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Or the CIA, right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They all know how to leverage, I think, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: ambitious people, right? Because that's what, you know, whether you're
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: ambitious for, you know, your own sovereignty or you're ambitious
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to be a multimillionaire, ambition is the tool, right? that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: these people utilize to infect or steer, like you said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a direction that will best suit them economically in the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: long run. So what's fascinating to me is this is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: not a new system. And you've acknowledged that a little
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: bit today, but also in a lot of your other videos.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And I highly recommend everybody go check out his Twitter
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: page or his X page. And then also, and we'll
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: have you, you know, tell everybody about that at the end, but,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and your YouTube stuff as well too. But it's like, no, the, this, this,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this mode, this model of thinking has been integrated into
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: kind of these, uh, secret societies i guess for lack
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of a better term although many of them are not
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: really secret right many many of them are kind of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: out in the open um you know that this is
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a a a regular playbook that that has been in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: place like you said for two to three thousand years
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: why is it so difficult for or how why has
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: it been so because i see a big shift happening
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: now right like your conversation If we had had this
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: conversation even 20 years ago, people would be, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: listening to us going, what are you talking about, man?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: This is ridiculous, right?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: But now, because people can hear your thing, take one
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of your comments, put it in, in Claude or Grok
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: or Chappie Chichi and say, was this is, who is
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this person? Is this statement correct? Did this actually happen?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they've got a history they
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: were never exposed to.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And so is, is, is, is that the way societies
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have fallen prey? Like the general public have fallen prey
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to these societies throughout history because they just didn't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think that, um,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It definitely knowing is a big part of the battle
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of navigating through the minefield, right? If you, if you
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: have a sense of where the enemy puts the mines,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: if there's a method to it, and it's not totally random.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And of course there is a method. then yeah, just
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: knowing what that method is will definitely help you move
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: through this, this mind. And we are living in a,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: in a metaphysical minefield. There are narrative traps that have
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: been set to capture people who think that they've broken,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: broken free from a big, a big narrative that's, that's
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: holding the normies down. And the second they think a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: little bit critically or feel like they've broken free, all
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of a sudden there's like a multitude of smaller little
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: little traps, little narrative cages for them to walk right into.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And they don't even realize it because they have that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: sense of confidence that, ha ha, I'm not dumb like
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the normies. Now I'm, I know this critical thing, but
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: actually you're, you carried some of your shackles in with you.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: So I think that, yeah, having a, taking a step
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: back and looking at history from a broader perspective and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: with the method of the mind wars and how the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: empire has been able to create these controlled stories, these
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: controlled narratives and, in order to get otherwise well-meaning people
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to be instruments of their own doom and enslavement, super
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: useful for sure.
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  Speaker 3: All right. All right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Just as a quick side, personal note for you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And, and was there a particular text or video or
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: book that you got turned on to that was like,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like you said, the first time you're like, Oh, You
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: hit page 75 and you have this paragraph that unlocks
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the first of the many, many gates that have been
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: created for us with the structure of education we've been
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: indoctrinated in, the legacy of our historical rhetoric and ritual,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: whatever that may be. We just dig deeper into it
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: because we want to exist in this tribal world. you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this tribalism that gives us validation of our thinking, right?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But when was that first moment for you? It's difficult
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to label the particular moment because I feel like it
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: was a, it was a series of waves that were
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: just kind of hitting my shore and breaking the edifice of,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of my former, uh, fortress of confidence. I don't know
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the moment that the fortress fell, but there was definitely
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of waves hitting it. Uh, for me, and I,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I definitely, I, I cite my, the big revelation for
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: me in 2004 was listening to a lecture by Mike Rupert,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: who was a an investigative reporter who did a lot
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to blow the whistle on the FBI role of bringing
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in crack cocaine, along with the CIA, into the inner
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: cities in the 80s, 70s and 80s. He did a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: lot of work on that front. And he did a
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: lecture in 2003 that I watched in 2004 on 9-11,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: showcasing all of the evidence of why this was necessarily
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: an inside job. And it was very persuasive. First time
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I heard people speaking about that kind of thing before,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: but not in a way that really engaged my mind
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to understand why it's true. It was just opinions, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: something interesting you talk about at a party, but not
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: provable in any way. But he actually was rigorous, dropped
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: citations of things that I could then read and follow,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: which I did. And it became like, I guess, my
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: first real big discovery that created, I think, a more
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: solid foundation upon which to build a better suited structure
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: where my former one was built on sand. And along
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the way, there's definitely literature I read that influenced me
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: more than other things. There was one piece back in
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: 2000 and... What was it?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: 2000 and.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I guess it must've been 2007. I read it. Um,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: after I had begun to look at some of the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: literature associated with, um, you know, Lyndon LaRouche, he's a,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: he died in 2019. Um, he was like 96 years old.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: He'd been in the game for a long time. Uh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: an American philosopher. He ran for the presidency like eight
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: times or something. He was in the Guinness book of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: world records, but I met some of his representatives, um,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: when I was still kind of piecing things together. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I started volunteering with his political action group. And I
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: would go down to the United States, do lobbying, organize
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: at different universities. It was a good, I would say,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: real world experience, like a real training for me, like
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a real education that I felt like I really value
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that experience. And for about a decade, I did that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And he had put out in 1978 an essay that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I read in 2007 that I think was one of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the biggest things that kind of brought a lot of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: this in a focus for me, which was called Secrets
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Known Only to the Inner Elites. 1978. And it had
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: a picture of it was on a campaigner magazine that
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: was their official magazine in the 70s and 80s. And
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: somebody patted me this thing. And I, you know, I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was I was pretty big into the conspiratorial secret society analysis,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: but I was a bit sloppy about it, too. I
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: didn't I'll admit I lacked rigor. And, you know, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was kind of getting a bit blackpilled, I guess, because
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you start seeing that. the more you dig into the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: undercurrents of what shapes history, you're like, oh, there's kind
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: of Freemasonic outfits everywhere you look. And I was starting
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to think to myself, well, it's all a fraud. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: guess it's all a Luciferian. The American Revolution's a Luciferian fraud.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Everything's a fraud. And I was getting dark.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So this, this essay, we say that, but you did
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it back then. I, you know, I, I think it's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: happening right now, culturally and societally, and it's happening all over.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you talk to a Gen Z or right now, man,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and they're completely backpilled on just about everything.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: And, and you're just like, wait, what is going on?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And, and like you said, it's, it's the importance of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the rigor to understand the, the, you know, the, The
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: greater the dynamic influence in how it's driven, like you said,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: by those particular institutions at whatever level they are, from
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the Orsini's, the Venetian's, and to the East Indian Trading Company.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: into the bank of London and the Fabian society for sure. Right. So,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: so you had this gradual progression, but like, when did
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it all of a sudden you're like, all right, this
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is going to become my passion, my focus of really
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: trying to understand this. And then what was the intention
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: once you educated yourself? What, like, what are you trying
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to do right now with the information you're learning? Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I, I think. For me, getting active back in
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: 2006 when I became a full-time member of that organization
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that I mentioned with Lyndon LaRouche, I did that for
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: 10 years full-time, right? So until 2017, that was like
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I lived and breathed it. What was good about that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is there was an educational curriculum, a music and arts curriculum,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: as well as a science curriculum associated with this political
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: action thing. Yeah. it got me out of the armchair
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: kind of identity I was formerly in as a consumer
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: of information, but I didn't really have a purpose morally
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: behind why I'm doing this. So it got me out
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: of that into a, I think a healthy discomfort zone, um,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: of just having to go into public settings a lot,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you know, and speak very unpopular things that people think
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: are crazy. But, um, trying to do it in a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: way that you're, you're looking for where, where are the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: embers in society? Where are the people whose souls are
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: not totally stultified, right? That I can find a bit of,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and have a platonic dialogue and try to engage people
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: in platonic conversations where I could, you know, both help
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: them understand why things are way worse than they thought
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they were. But at the same time, why this, by
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: acknowledging that there is a lot of freedom to do
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: creatively good things to put out the fires, but you
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: have to acknowledge the fire, which is scary. But then
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: when you do so, then you could think about different
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: ways historically that these fires have been put out because
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it's not the first time this is happening in a vacuum.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So that was, I think, really good to sort of reset,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: in a sense, recalibrate my identity around something more active
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: so that when I was reading, when I was processing,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it wasn't just for me. I was always thinking, how
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: can I incorporate this into being a better person that's
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: more effective in at intervening in this historic process that
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'm born into. So that became a more reciprocal thing.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that it helps a lot to have
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that attitude, right? So when I ended up going independent
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: with my wife, we were both involved with the organization
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: for a period, things didn't work out. So we decided
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to increasingly do our own thing. But I carried, I think,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of those better habits and better moral attributes
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: that I gained in that process into my my writing career, um,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: my speaking career and the books that I write on
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: terms of the, uh, the, the clash of the two
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Americas book series, my untold history of Canada book series,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: or increasingly the, um, the revenge of the mystery cults
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: trilogy that I published recently with the documentaries we've made
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: along these things. It's, it's all, I'm, I'm really trying
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to give people as I don't want them to waste
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: as much time as I did on, on, you know, um, uh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: wind eggs as, as Socrates called them. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: but so I'm trying to condense as much as I can,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: my thinking process, what I was looking at to come
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to the conclusions that I have about the nature of, well,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you know, like every people now increasingly know the Fabian society,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: but do they understand that this is part or an
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: expression of a very ancient, uh, mystery cult do they
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: know that not really is is that is it is
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: that knowable is it is it teachable i think i
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: could prove that that's the case but but it requires
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a sort of building up of a foundation to appreciate
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: um like for example fabius maximus right i brought him
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: up already as one of the the the key patricians
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: who defeated hannibal but i didn't mention that and he
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: died a the Second Punic War, but I didn't mention,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: which was, by the way, one of the most key
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: moments where the republic that was Rome really began to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: lose its soul and be transmogrified into an empire. It
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: took a couple centuries more for the empire to finally manifest,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: but the self-mutilation morally to its own soul by stabbing
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: its former ally into the back and doing what it
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: did was a big part of that alchemical transformation. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: during that time, the mystery cults were being brought in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: by the high priesthood of Rome. The committee of 15,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: for example, was, was, was advising Fabius Maximus saying like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: if you want to, if you want to win against Carthage,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you got to bring in the cult of Sibel. Right. And,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and people don't often know that it was him who
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: negotiated for years with the priesthood of the cult of
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Sibel from Anatolia, which is basically like a Gaia, Magna Mater,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Earth Mother cult, very much based upon ecstatic states and,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: ritual debauchery i i would say yeah talk.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: About that a little bit because i think what a
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: lot of people unless unless you i think like unless
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you've you you and you talked a little bit about
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like going down those those you know those those routes
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that might necessarily not um not you know and your
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance but they might you know be so overwhelming
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to your you know your the way you consciously understand
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the world around you, that people are reluctant to believe
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that what they're seeing or reading or hearing is accurate, right?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And so as you come back and you've gone all
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the way back to recognize that, yeah, cultures from originating
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: tribal regions of Sumeria, Babylonia, even prior to that, whatever
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that looked like, You know, there are these underlying perspectives
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: about how to bring good fortune to fruition, right? And
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you had, right, these certain, for lack of better term,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like religious connotations of how, you know, life and death,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the male, the female, right? And that was
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: integrated with, you know, the different timeframes of planting and harvesting, right?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And that's what much of, you know, a tribal culture
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: was built around these ideas. I mean, you know, it
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: got a massive kickstart with ancient Sumeria and Babylonia and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: even in, you know, all through Northern Africa and as
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: it spread into other, you know, I mean, Greece, I guess,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: would be the most prominent of, you know, creating what
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: people still realize. Hell, my daughter was just studying Greek
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: culture and the gods and the metaphors of the gods
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and society, you know? and it's 2026 and they're still
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: teaching that stuff so integrated in all of that is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this lingering reality to to stay to give to have
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: some remnant of that focus be relevant to how we
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: perceive society right yeah and so you but what you've
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: done is you've now said hey well there's a lot
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: more to these things these things these don't just evaporate
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like some language might in some remote region of you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the Mongolian step or some whatever, like these things have, they've,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they've lasted longer than the walls of the castles that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: have lasted. They just morph into the next society, the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: next society. And, and so how, why is it hard
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for us to believe that those things could still be
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: relevant in, in certain groups today?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really it's something we need to internalize fast.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And that was actually something I brought this up. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: didn't I didn't follow up on it, but I should
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: do that now because I think it's a good moment
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: for it. I mentioned the this 1978 booklet called Secrets
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Known Only to the Inner Elites by Lyndon LaRouche. One
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: of the points that he makes is that you could
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: really categorize the battles within and amongst the elites of
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: all cultures going back to deep, deep history as as
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: being one more understood of natural law or the defiance
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of natural law. A commitment to a set of ideas,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a paradigm that sees humankind in some form or another
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: as being made in the living image of a creator
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: God that is good and reasonable. And thus all of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the policies of who thinks in those terms, who has influence,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: will change. And whether that means the creative content, the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: poetic content that's promoted, the painting.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: The architecture, yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: The architecture, yeah, will reflect and attempt to dignify and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: awaken that inner potentiality of all people. The type of policies,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: economic and diplomatic and otherwise, are you trying to divide
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to conquer or are you trying to bring people together
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: out of peace to solve problems? It'll be two very different...
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: If you have the idea that human beings are a
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: natural animal to be controlled by a master class, you
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: might think, well, then we always need to divide to
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: conquer to create more conflict, more tribalism so that these
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: groups are more controllable by getting them to associate their
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: enemy with their neighbors instead of working together with people
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: who might sound or look differently but are commonly human
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: that have common human problems and common human enemies. which
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: see them all as being equally scum to be destroyed,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that they have to rise up in opposition too, which
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: was a big reason for the American Revolution's successes is
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that it was able to then take these different groups
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of Christianity and say, okay, we might all have our differences,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: but we all can agree that we're being screwed over
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: by this British empire and its obsolete idea of hereditary
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: power and that we got to organize for a better
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: world for our kids and grandkids. And and they were,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you know, that that that way of thinking that people
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: like Ben Franklin helped encourage gave created a space whereby
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Haider Ali in India, a Muslim leader of India and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: his son, Tipu Sultan, were writing letters to the Continental
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Congress saying your fight is our fight. as they were
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: in the 1780s carrying out a fight against the British
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Empire on the other side of the world, but in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: communication with the American Republicans. Or the Orthodox Christians of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Catherine the Great were writing letters as well, saying, hey, look,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: let's set up the League of Armed Neutrality so that you,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: though you might be Protestant, very different kinds of Christians
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: than we are, but we all recognize that your principles
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: morally are in harmony with what we also want. And
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: thus the League of Armed Neutrality was created by Catherine
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the Great to and Ekaterina Dashkova, the friend of Ben Franklin,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to give protection to the American cause, right? So you
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: have that idea, and that goes back to deep, deep history.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that LaRouche brought to my
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: attention is that there are these simple aspects of the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: human condition that can either be harmonized or made to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: oppose artificially And that then can educate whole institutions for
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: good or for bad. So for example, the idea of
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: left and right dichotomization in politics, where does that come from?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Where is the origin of left and right in politics?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Do you know where that comes from?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I would imagine it comes from a division of some
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: type of profit, right? And you could go back to,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, because I'm a Christian, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: would think the first emergence of it is within Cain
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and Abel, right? You have in the Abrahamic Genesis story,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you have automatic division, you know, the God loves you
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: more than me. And so I'm going to right the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: wrong and I'm going to kill you because I want
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the love more than you. So, you know, maybe for me,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that's where it might start. I think from a historical perspective,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: there's probably an innumerable amount.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Of examples that I'm just not aware of. There are.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And that, that was such a creative response to my,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but for you, I appreciate that a lot. I was,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I was actually coming at it from the more like academic.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Um, right.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Like modern political left. Right. Because that was actually the,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the French revolution is how I was thinking about it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. I, I, but I, I, so for me,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you, when you, when you talked about it,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: like at this.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: This higher order, the higher order control of division.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And, and so, uh, I think in my mind at
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: its core, if you can interrupt the beautiful idea that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: we're all equally sovereign under the eyes of whatever supreme
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: being or whatever, and we're not sovereign to men who
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: are in control of a government or women, whatever you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: want to call it, those in power, then by that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: nature of our thinking, Regardless if there's a Muslim next
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to me or a Buddhist next to me or an
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: atheist in front of me or a Jew in back
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: of me, there's a commonality amongst us all, which is
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the unique aspect of liberty within our sovereignty to something
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that's higher order to us that constrains.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: The moral framework that we utilize to live together in
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: some type of harmonious.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. And that, that's the way to break out
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of the false left versus right game. That's been like
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: concocted because the French were, why did the French revolution
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: fail where the American revolution earlier succeeded in so many ways?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That, that plays right into this because the, the,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the French fell into this trap that the Americans were
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: able to stay out, stay above and, which was the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: idea that, well, for example, you had the Jacobins, right?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So you had the Jacobin mobs that turn into a, a,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: a bloody Terry. It was actually called the bloody terror
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and the mobs, the, the, the, the, the abused disenfranchised mobs,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the people who had been abused by the hereditary systems
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: of France became organized and around demagogues like Robespierre and Danton,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: especially Robespierre, but a variety of demagogues who could speak
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the language of the abused masses, kind of like the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Fabians were able to do a century later. And they look,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: we feel your pain and it's, and we can direct,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we can get justice by just cutting the heads off
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: of everybody who seems to be an entrepreneur or anybody
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: who seems to be an elite, kill them all. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: one of the banners became the revolution doesn't need scientists
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: because they were killing Lavoisier, the founder of modern chemistry,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: who was also a friend of Benjamin Franklin and everybody
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: good and bad alike all lost their heads, right? And
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you had secret courts, secret trials, right? being set up,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you had Robespierre set up something called the Supreme God
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: to replace Christianity, because Christianity was also seen as an
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: institutional expression of power and thus evil and hypocrisy. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: that had to come undone. But then with the vacuum
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of leadership, because of the raw, untempered, emotional chaos of
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the anarchism of the mob, That became such a clear
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: disaster that that created a counter-response of the Girondins, the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: right-wing Girondins who had seats on the right side of
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the parliament or the Assemblée Nationale, which said, okay, no,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: emotions have proven themselves to be bad. All emotions, right?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And we need logic, a god of logic. And that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: became the god of reason. That became the solution to
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the god, the supreme being, which was the Jacobin god.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And then they took turns killing Jacobin leaders like Robespierre,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: got his head cut off. And then so that you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: had the civil war going on for a few years,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: not totally dissimilar from what was going on in Rome
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: before it became an empire between the factions around Julius
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Caesar and Mark Anthony, who did a civil war, but
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: also had different mystery cults organizing both sides. Now, what
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: does this mean? It was that the human beings will...
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: we are creatures that seem to be contradictory if you
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: don't mature your soul through culture. And so the anarchistic
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: feelings of the infantile ego and the infantile emotions, those
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: raw emotions might be fitting for a terrible two, having
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a temper tantrum.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Or a 20-year-old man who can't get a job who
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: lives in poverty and is angry, right?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And highly influential to, you know, because I remember, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, but I just
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: remember this so vividly, you know, when I was an
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: art major in school, And I, I, for me, one
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: of the big pivotal moments was watching the movie JFK by,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: by Oliver Stone or Oliver Stone.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And then born on the 4th of July and all
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: this stuff, which was all contradictory to what I had
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: imagined was the representation. But, you know, and then I,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I found, you know, Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, well, there's a counter-argument to the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: glory of combat, right? Which is the long-lasting impact or
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: effect on the society, the men of a society that
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: believes the war is righteous, right? And so that's the
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: ramification is you ultimately will generate, you know, a broken
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: soul or a hostile soul.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: If... And when, it seems like, the.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I forget what the word is, like the inevitable nature
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: with which you discover that you were forced to go
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to war.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Based on something that was less than righteous, right?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty common throughout these times that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: we're hearing, you know? And then the capture, like you're saying,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the moral capture of a particular movement that can morph
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: from one thing that initiates that 20-year-old kid for joining
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: up and carrying the, you know, whatever, the weapon into
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: combat to the, man, I was lied to and I'm
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: pissed kind of thing. But what's interesting is, and you
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: talked about this, there is a built-in endeavor within the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: human condition And I love the way you frame that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: because I too felt that myself as I morphed out
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of this, you know, I had this, you know, this
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: competing illusion of what patriotism and liberty and freedom was about.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: So I, you know, dropped out and joined the Navy
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to immerse myself in this culture of death to try
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: and understand what it meant for myself, what it meant
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: at a greater, context of the warrior ethos and culture.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And then how is it parlay itself into geopolitics, which
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I ended up experiencing at the highest level post, you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: nine 11, when I served there, I served with Blackwater
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and then I was at the CIA and saw all
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of these things firsthand about the gross manipulation of, of
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: these ideologies. And so, That was kind of my transition
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: into like, oh, whoa, this isn't what it seems. But
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I love that you frame it in this idea that
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it's a built-in component of the human condition that we
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: are ultimately seeking some type of awakening for something that
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: we can generate a deeper meaning and get behind that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Not utopic in nature because I think anybody really understands
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: these types of moments in history. Utopia is more of
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a delusion than illusion. But it's like what's righteous and
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: what's not righteous. That's the way– yeah, I like the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: way you put it that way.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What rings with justice? What does not, right? What's
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: out of town?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Out of town with that. You're right. And I think
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: that that's the thing with– Either we're a walking tragedy
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: forever doomed to be at war with ourselves and thus
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: not really sovereign because how can you be sovereign if
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: your mind and your emotions are always at war with
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: each other, right? Your desires and what you think you
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: should do, your sense of duty and freedom of desire
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: are always at conflict. You're not really sovereign. You can't
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: be creative. You can't be a sovereign person. And if
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: that's true, then what is the Constitution and what does
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: America even mean? It's just empty words. So we have
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: to have a sense that, okay, we yearn to harmonize
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: these two aspects of the self. And people have typically,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I think some of these occultists will tend to recognize
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the differences of the... Cause you know, you could have,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: you could, you could have tyranny of reason where, which,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: which crush the, the feeling sentiments through stern, absolute utilitarian logic,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: or you could have the tyranny of tyranny of emotions.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Like we see with the, the woke, the woke left,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you know, who become through their over empathy and they're
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: over it. Uh, what's the word over empathy. Yeah.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The empathetic suicide as like, uh, talks about it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then everybody must be destroyed who
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: causes my emotions to be hurt, you know, as the
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: victim becomes the tyrant pretty quickly. So both sides can
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: be weaponized. And I think that, again, this is where
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: the role of the artists, like people like Frederick Schiller
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: or Beethoven, if you look at their poetry, the caliber
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of their music really comes through, is that they're not diminishing...
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: their emotions or their mind, but enhancing both together in
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the dance. So through their artistic expressions, and you can't, yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you can sit back and be a passive experiencer of
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: high classical music, sure, but it works best if you're
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: actually also thinking about what's happening to your sentiment as
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it's going on. Right. Uh, that's right.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: The current time when Beethoven's writing or, or when, uh,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: what DeRay is, is doing his famous lithographs or, or
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: any of these famous, you know, people in Eastern Europe or,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: or Germany, or even, you know, wherever in France, like,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you know, this, this, you see this, it's, it's this
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: disfiguration of, of, of society is captured so beautifully in art.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think art is.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Really the greatest culmination of our subconscious and conscious framework.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Because the things that are haunting that society somehow can't
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: articulate now I think it's a little bit easier to
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: articulate because the access to the microphone is so fundamental.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: But in those times, from the 19th to the 20th century,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the early 20th century, post-World War II, the fusion of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: these world powers, so to speak, where art became this
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: minimalist thing and they really destroyed this beauty that had
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: just had taken over society, in particular Bavarian society, even
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: French society. And you have this, when you visited this,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you went to Russia recently, which I thought was really cool,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: and maybe we can talk a little bit about that
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: journey and what that was like, because you have some
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: thoughts about the pre- or the unorganic programming of our
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: hatred towards Russia and China and all these other things.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: But you said this really cool thing about about art
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and how artists can ultimately save humanity, right? And I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: was wondering, you know, why is creativity so pivotal to.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Break these, what, these binaries of influence? Yeah, no, that's great.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: great question and yeah that that was that was a
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: surprising experience is that i was brought into a panel
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: uh there was a sub festival because i was brought
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in to speak at a at an event celebrating the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the meeting of the elba at the end of world
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: war ii between american and russian soldiers that that you
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: know promised to hopefully end not just fascism but also
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: empire per se as a new kind of world of
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: cooperation was hopefully beginning to emerge and that didn't happen
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: but um In tandem with that event, there was this
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: international documentary film festival, and they had a special event,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: and I was invited to speak at that on the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: question of the artist and how does the artist play
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: a role in shifting a society away from a tragic
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: orientation towards having a new trajectory towards life, right? And
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: it was a very stimulating conversation, and part of what
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: we were talking about today I mentioned Frederick Schiller. I
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: brought him up actually in my remarks to that particular
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: assembly because Schiller, he was living through, he was a German,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: he was called the Poet of Freedom, but he was
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: living through the American Revolution. He lived through the French Revolution.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: He had a lot of hope that it was going
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to become something good that would then be a springboard
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: for other societies in Europe to also follow suit. But
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: it had to work in France first, which it didn't.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: And he's the one who put out the first diagnostic
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that was then picked up by LaRouche and illustrated by
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: LaRouche in the Secrets Known Only to the Inner Elites
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: paper on the barbarian versus the savage. And so in
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Schiller's Aesthetical Letters, the letters on the Aesthetical Education of Man,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: he's writing his diagnostic, which I think is so useful,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: describing the fact that the French Revolution could be seen
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: as a failure because of the... he called it as
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: maybe not politically correct language nowadays, but that the culture
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: of the savage embraced the masses who were not allowed
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: to develop their intellect by virtue of the French culture.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Whereas the intellect could be developed by the barbarians, which
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: was the sort of nobility, but they were not able
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: to develop their emotions. So when an over-hypertrophied emotional muscle,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: but not tempered by cultured logic, reason, beauty, they didn't
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: have that. They became more chaotic in that sense. And
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: then inversely, the nobility had no love of the people.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Their hearts were just stultified. as they had me cake,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: let them eat. Yeah, exactly. So it was super detached. And, um,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: and Schiller's like, that's the point of, of any, any
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: type of society that's, that's going to be fit to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: survive has to have artists and artists who are capable
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: of developing their scientific, uh, spirit and scientists who are
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: artists at the same time, right. Who see a poetry
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: in math and don't dichotomize it, which, you know, in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: your work, in your remarks, you, you noted correctly, uh,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: that the entire modernists, you know, 20th century train wreck
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: of modernism in the arts of abstract contemporary art, it,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: it was not organic. It was designed to artificially cut,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: like break apart, which should be working together the heart
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: and the mind that was totally broken apart by design,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: by the Frankfurt school ideologues, like Theodore Adorno, all of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: the George Lukacs, all of the, the, the thinkers, uh,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: who justified the CIA's sponsoring of modern arts after World
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: War II. And all of a sudden, like millions of dollars.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: You tell people that Jackson Pollock was a CIA plant.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: They're like, what are you talking about?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I love his stuff.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: And I, listen, I, I, I am a Jackson Pollock
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: fan only because I'm a fan of misanthropic artists, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because I've had my stints there myself, right?
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  Speaker 1: If you look at my poetry or my painting back
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: in college, it was definitely dark, right?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is, is.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It was this idea to pull away from Russian, the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: beauty of traditional Russian art.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're coming off. That was the formula, right?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: The formula of Russia. Russia communism is. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: it's rigid. It's realistic. That's what communist art is. Whereas
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: the art of democracy is the art of freedom. The
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: art of freedom is to be free of the tyranny
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: of logic, to be totally free of just be reflections
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: of the ugliness and hypocrisy of the world. And yeah,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: you're right. I, I had a, there was a, there
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: was a video I watched a while ago. I don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: know if it's still online of a, of an arts
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: teacher who's showing his students big auditorium full of students,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: a Jackson Pollock or what they think is a Jackson
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Pollock painting and having them comment, which he lets them
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: do for like 20 minutes of intellectual masturbation. of just
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: talking about what they i bet he was like oh
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: wait i just realized it's the wrong slide and he
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: started zooming out on the slide it was actually his
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: own painting painting smock that had that just had like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: spiders of paint on his smock he's like i'm sorry
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: this is the wrong painting then he shows him a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: jackson pollock painting and to see it looks the same
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: thing um so.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It's interesting to me is that when you be if
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you like again i go back to these pieces that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: you're beginning to unlock, right.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: The, the, the, you know.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: The cages built for us through our educational indoctrination, whatever
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that may be, or, or, you know, through the films
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: we've watched or through the television shows that we've committed
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: to memory, you know, and, and, and the influence there.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And so many people, you know, those were a derivative
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: of someone's mind, their writings, what their beliefs and all
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: this stuff. And, What do these people actually believe? But again,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: you know, we want to keep it so artificial, not artificial,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it's not the right, so superficial, right? As to just
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: be able to enjoy the limited perception of what we
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: think it is, which is for entertainment purposes and not
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: genuine influence. And so now what I see taking place
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: in particular with the ability for anybody to tap into
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: AI art, you know.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: You see a whole new.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Consciousness emerging through art to either poke fun or to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: make fun of the illogical nature of certain ideas politically
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: or within the capitalistic you know, framework, whatever it is,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: but it seems like now it's, it's exploding.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: But I do know that those groups.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: That are part of the Fabian society and part of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the other left, right, whatever societies, groups that are in desperate,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I think in a desperate, a mode of desperation to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: try and keep control of the narratives that they have
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: been able to control for so long.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Like it's breaking free from them.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: They're, they're losing that ability.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: So do you, as, as now we move into, you.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Know, and by the way, I could literally spend the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: next three hours talking about this stuff with you, but I,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I want to be, I want to be gracious of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: your time. Cause I know you're a busy person. Perhaps
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: you could come back on the show and we can
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: go down that route, a deeper rabbit hole in the future.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: That'd be wonderful. Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: But, But as of today, right now, where we're at
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: and where we see in terms of the mogs of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the world or, you know, the Mark Roots of the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: world or even, you know, the Trump administration to a
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: certain degree, I mean, obviously, a lot of people are
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: alleging or predicting that, you know, and if you just
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: look at, you know, South America, Central America, you know,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: and what's taking place, whether the Venezuela raid, we've got
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: SF that is down doing raids in, different Latin American
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: El Salvador, different countries in the South. Cuba is potentially
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: going to face something unique. How do you see these societies?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Are they at war with each other now? Have they morphed?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Will there be a new evolution of the Fabian society
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: because of technological advance, a lack of control on the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: rhetoric or the narratives that are taking place? What do
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: you think is happening right now?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that I guess my big concerns about
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: how AI has been framed for the majority, especially in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: terms of how it's been propagandized in our films and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: what have you, is there's definitely a good component to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: it for sure. But there's, I think, a big dangerous
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: component to it as well, which has a lot to
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: do with the fact that people are losing touch with what, um,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: was needed for them to what, basically what, what makes
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: us human and not machine, uh, that differentiation is being quickly, uh, dissipated.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I find in the minds of, especially a lot of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: the young people who, uh, they've got a shit education system,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: a shit culture. And so they don't really have a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: lot of positive examples of what real human excellence has
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: been able to accomplish in a, in a, in a,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: you know, serious way. And so AI coming out has
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: made them kind of emotionally, they have, I think, a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: toxic relationship to what they think AI is, right? And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: increasingly people are developing like a religion around AI. There's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: AI cults beginning to emerge. I see some of the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: social engineers at the top who, like Peter Thiel has,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it was revealed that he has his own
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: secret society. His own society. I don't know how secret
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: is because everybody knows about it. Where Maria Kaya Kalas
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: is a member, like very high level people in the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: private and public sector have been members of this thing
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: where some of their topics and seminars that they bring
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: people to for weekends at a time involve creating cults,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the role of sex in cult creation. A lot of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: them are part of the whole transhumanist Stargate crowd in
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley who have this weird religious-like idea that AI
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: will be sort of like the new gods. Even Elon
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: and Peterson had a conversation, which was very uncomfortable to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: watch not that long ago. Giddley laughing like little wannabe
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: priests about how the new gods are going to emerge
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: in Memphis, Tennessee, of course. And I was like, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: don't like that. So I think to see it as
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: an aid, a support for humanity so you know like
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to be a human calculating machine spending hours
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: and days crunching numbers you it's great to have calculators
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the machines to do the work to be to be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: supportive of human thought and to liberate us so that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: we can do more important things but increasingly people are
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: are using ai as a replacement which is super dangerous
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: um and and i think you know you you have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: The dangerous side right now is we're living through potentially
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: what Alice Bailey had called for, the externalization of the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: hierarchy period back in 1925. And I see the incubator,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the Mithraic kind of like the mystery cult that have
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: been incubating inside of the heart of America have really
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: been seated in Silicon Valley, California. as followers of Blavatsky
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: wanted to manifest what she called for of the emergence
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: of a new sixth race to replace the spiritually unfit
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: who would not be able to adapt alchemically to the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: new norms of the new age of Aquarius. they would
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: have to then become undone by this new type of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: human that would be concocted, which became really the vanguard
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of Silicon Valley. That's how they see themselves in their
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: inner core. And I see that, unfortunately, as having a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: little bit too much influence in today's MAGA world.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: And that's, that's, I see it on both sides. I,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: you see it in, in every political aspiration, right? It's, it's,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: it's the manifestation. I mean, it's just, it, it, it's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the same direction. Let's, let's get to the absolutist, right? The,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the die hard that, you know, you can't, you know, you,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: you have to fit into this box and to be a,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: an ardent supporter, regardless of what your eyes are telling you,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the, the George Orwell's phenomenal prediction, Dostoevsky's phenomenal predictions, right?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Like you, you have to be here to be in
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: this accepted class of the new, the next generation, which
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: will be the ultimate.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Generation, right?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: It'll be the, the, the, we will usurp all the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: constraints that have you know, ingratiated, uh, ingratiated the human
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: spirit to something that's bigger than ourselves.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: Cause that's all an illusion.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And I think that that's so coming off
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: of what we were saying to a little bit earlier
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: about the emotions, logic, the one, the many, the, like
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: the role of Sibyl, the Sibyl cult that was brought
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: in by Fabius Maximus to enter Rome as part of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the program to, to defeat Hannibal. Um, is that amongst occultists,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: there's this identification of logic and will as being man things,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: like that's the divine masculine, and the emotions, the nurturing
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: aspect of the human being, the feelings, is the feminine side.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: And that's how occultists tend to categorize thinking and feeling,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: is one is feminine, one is masculine. And institutions like
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: the Sybil cult is a very divine feminine, earth mother cult,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: based upon, you know, um, fertility, things like that. And, and, um,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I could say the Fabians and the earlier French revolution
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: is inspiration of the Jacobin, um, mobs were, were organized
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: in the cult of the Supreme being were organized around
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: this divine feminine, the cult of the, of Mary Magdalene,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: the cult of, um, ISIS or Diana, you know, um,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: And inversely, the cult of reason was defined as sort
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: of the masculine cult. Or in the case of ancient Rome,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: that was the cult of Mithra that you referenced at
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: the beginning when I took people into that Mithraic temple
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: that's owned by Michael Bloomberg in the old Roman Londonium. Um, that,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: that's a warrior cult. That's a cult that, that thrives
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: to destroy the bull, to destroy the chaos of the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: raging bull through the imagery of the sacrifice of the bull.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: There's other imageries for the Taurus as well, being potency
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: being other, there's a whole bunch of degrees of, of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: imagery of what that means. But one of the most
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: important aspects of it is the idea of instability, the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: chaos of emotions that has to be subdued and killed,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: you know, almost like you could imagine one of those, uh,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Opus day figures freaks, uh, who's like whipping themselves whenever
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: they get a bad erotic thought. They have to go
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: and bleed to have the pain, bring them back to reason.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: To hemorrhage their sin, right?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sick. But the Mithraic cult was largely,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: it coexisted with the cult of Sibel. One was male only.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: One was based on warriors. The Praetorian guards all had
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: to be initiates of the Mithraic cult that had Saturn,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: sort of a prototype of the Christian Satan cult. at
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: its at its apogee of of the initiatory rights there's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: also some weird gay rights in there too on the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: second degree of the nymphus which is strange but anyway
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: i think it makes sense well it's.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Been in there it's been in the warrior culture for
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: eons man quite yes right.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a book called the the the rainbow
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: swastika about going through uh the the sexual practices of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: the inner ss which is remarkably provable and it's kind
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: of weird but anyway um All that to say that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: they would work together. So one would be this penetrating,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: this idea of dominate and power project through will and logic,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: the tyranny of the fascist strongmen or the crusader guard
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: of warrior knights who would go and just destroy the dragons,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: save the damsel, but penetrate through strength of will. And
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: the inversion was organizations of the divine feminine, the Cathars.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: the the the the the bogomils who would who would
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: organize mass like the some of the earliest anarchistic mass
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: destabilization movements of weaponizing the masses and the mobs was
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: done in the byzantine empire before the crusades by the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: bogomils and there were several uh uh eastern um byzantine
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: emperors who were trying to crack down and they called
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: out the bogomils the these manichean uh you know um
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: It was basically like a male-oriented sect. They had women too,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: but they were very Manichean. They were based on this
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: idea that God has two children, Jesus and Satan. Satan's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the older brother of Jesus. Satan runs the world of matter.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus runs the world of spirit. But the world of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: matter is what we live in. So Satan runs it.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And if you want to have power in this world,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: you got to do things that make that God happy
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: in order to liberate your inner spark of, you know,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: through gnosis, whatever the hell that means. But they all became,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: you know, organizers for chaos operations to destabilize the Byzantine
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: government for centuries that then spawned themselves into the Cathars.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: that we're working also esoterically with the Templars, you know, that,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: so you, you got this, this whole game of like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: getting people to fall from extremes into each other. And,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: you know, the danger today is that I think under,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: under Biden, under globalization, the, the woke mind viruses, as
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: it has come to be known, uh, the sick Gaia
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: cult has become so absurd and disgusting that people are
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: now in the danger. I'm seeing it, uh, of falling
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: back into the opposite track, uh, or trap, of the, um, the,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the, the, the, the new Templar revivalist to a.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Hundred percent, a hundred percent. Yeah, Matt, I, I, again, I, I,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I sit here and I could just listen to you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: go on about these things forever. And I'd love to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: come back and really explore some of the, those religious
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: connotations and, and where that, that struggle, you know, between
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: chaos and order between Christ and Satan and, And maybe
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: we'll go to the, some of the origination points of, of,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: of these groups and these sex, and you can explain
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: how they're, how they've been able to maintain their relevance
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: after generations.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Jeff, that'd be awesome.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Um, so, um, you know, just to kind of tie
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  Speaker 1: this up, um, now you are the editor in chief
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  Speaker 1: of the Canadian Patriot review and you're the co founder
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  Speaker 1: and director of the rising tide foundation. So why did
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  Speaker 1: you create these and what are you hoping to accomplish
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  Speaker 1: with these organizations?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, my part of the Canadian Patriot
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  Speaker 2: came first in 2012. It was kind of a creative
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  Speaker 2: outlet because I was making a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of discoveries in my research, trying to piece together what
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  Speaker 2: the hell is Canada when I when based upon my
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  Speaker 2: my understanding of the mystery cults that was beginning to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, grow. And things like the roundtable movement, the Fabian.
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  Speaker 2: So based upon that, what would be a better account
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  Speaker 2: of what Canada actually was and why is this thing
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  Speaker 2: what it is as a weird British deep state monarchy
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  Speaker 2: in the Americas subverting the American Republic at different moments?
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  Speaker 2: So I wasn't finding anyone who was willing to touch
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  Speaker 2: my research with a 10 foot pole. So I decided
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  Speaker 2: to just make this platform originally to just be to
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  Speaker 2: tell to tell the story and to share my research
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  Speaker 2: and to also encourage other people who are on the
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  Speaker 2: same track to publish as well. So that that became
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  Speaker 2: a bit of an organic thing unto itself. And then
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  Speaker 2: in 2019, my wife and I were really spiritually hungry.
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  Speaker 2: We're like we're both doing geopolitical analysis and writing all
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  Speaker 2: the time. And we were just feeling like our souls
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  Speaker 2: were thirsty and we needed to create something that would,
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  Speaker 2: you know, promote what we needed, which was some better culture.
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  Speaker 2: So the Rising Tide Foundation became what we brought online
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  Speaker 2: as a nonprofit in Montreal to host, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: host weekly meetings where we bring together experts, historians, literary people.
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  Speaker 2: When we do topics on poetry, on science every week,
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  Speaker 2: we publish a lot of material as well, things that
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  Speaker 2: just make us passionate about intercultural dialogue and deep history.
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  Speaker 2: So that kind of came out of that process.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, your ability to articulate your
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  Speaker 1: ideas is really exceptional. It's it's some of the best
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  Speaker 1: i've i've seen in particular right now with it seems
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  Speaker 1: like there's a a strong contingency of people who want
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  Speaker 1: to uh erase you know um two thousand three thousand
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  Speaker 1: years of philosophical development and an ability to to have
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  Speaker 1: conversations that have some distinct meaning and some relevance to, um,
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out ways to not only a better
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  Speaker 1: society to, but, but to better each other and to
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  Speaker 1: be more open to different people's thoughts. And I, I
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate the way you deliver your thoughts. Uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people obviously out there that are very, uh, um,
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  Speaker 1: that have a lot of condemnation for, um, uh, the,
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  Speaker 1: the existing realities we're seeing globally. Um, but again, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you are a student of history in
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  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, the best way is healthy
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  Speaker 1: dialogue with a lot of different ideas. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then, right.
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  Speaker 1: The assimilation of those good ideas and, and, and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: what is it? It's, it's the idea of, of compromise and,
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  Speaker 1: and healthy dialogue that leads to better opportunities for, for
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  Speaker 1: future generations to, um, reduce the probability of the slaughter
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  Speaker 1: that is always.
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  Speaker 2: The ever-present sort of Damocles.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, to be as eloquent as you are. So, Matt, again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I would really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate another opportunity to go into the depths of what
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  Speaker 1: we chatted about in some of those other.
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  Speaker 3: Avenues.
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  Speaker 1: But where can people follow you? How can they pay
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  Speaker 1: attention to what you're doing every day?
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  Speaker 2: And yeah. Yeah, dude. No, this is a pleasure. And
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  Speaker 2: anytime you want to chat about these big ideas, I'm
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  Speaker 2: all for it. Thank you for the opportunity. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess for people who want to go, you mentioned rising
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  Speaker 2: tide foundation.net. uh, canadianpatriot.org goes, those are my two websites.
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  Speaker 2: There's also sub stack. I put out things every day,
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  Speaker 2: mostly for free on sub stack. Um, and, and my
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  Speaker 2: books and videos. So my, my wife and I have
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  Speaker 2: been making a lot of documentaries with our new production
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  Speaker 2: studio that we did it. We, we set up a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Um, so we've got stuff on
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  Speaker 2: the esoteric roots of Nazism and fascism called black sun
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  Speaker 2: rising that we just put out a few months ago
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  Speaker 2: as a new, as a new drop. The Hidden Hand
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  Speaker 2: Behind UFO series, we've published four of the eight episodes
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  Speaker 2: for free already. going through like who are the CIA
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  Speaker 2: MI six operative, the social engineers behind the whole UFO
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  Speaker 2: cult that's becoming sort of the, the, the, you know, the,
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  Speaker 2: the new, the new global religion that some want to create.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just AI that also has a coloring of,
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  Speaker 2: of UF ETS that they want to try to bring
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  Speaker 2: in as the new gods. So we did a whole
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  Speaker 2: series that work we're working on there. Um, and our books, uh,
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  Speaker 2: revenge of the mystery cults. Uh, here's one of the books, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Mystery Babylon and the Age of Aquarius with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of hippies drinking down some goo coming from the Black Sun.
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  Speaker 2: That's all available on the website. Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Matthew, Eric, man, thank you so much. Keep doing what
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  Speaker 3: you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating and you're really good at it, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. It was fun. All right. Take care.