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Sheikh Andrew Tate & Millionaire Muslims (Ft Sh Jaffer Ladak) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim assalamualaikum.
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Warahmatullahi wabarakatu. Welcome back to the, after
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Maghrib podcast, I am Ahmed Abbas and so pleasure to be with
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you again. Today, let me ask you a question
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about the sisters, is it harm to be a rich Muslim?
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How do you feel about Andrew Tate?
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Becoming a Muslim and do you feel pressure with social media
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slalekum Shuffle addict. Where are you come?
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Sit down with a counselor, absolute pleasure.
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Thank you for the invite. It's it's lovely to have you
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back on. It's been a while since you've
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been a little bit. Yeah, a couple.
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I mean I had the pleasure of Of speaking for about 10 minutes,
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each night and chaturanga Don. Yeah.
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And prior to that, we had a book launch Global book launch with a
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debate TV. Yeah.
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So this is the first time back since eight wash a lot while she
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was lovely to have you here, Chef for those who don't know,
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shakhtar for allow me to give you a bit of information and
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background about him. I'm sure a lot of us do know
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him. But I've known Sheree for for a
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number of years and he has had a profound impact on me
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personally. And of course the lives of many
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other friends and family that I have and The shit has a very
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interesting and diverse background both within the
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Islamic circles and also outside as well.
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But in terms of his ass lamech studies, use of course studied
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at the Islamic seminaries in karbala and at the unmet
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institute in Birmingham his he has a master's in Islamic law at
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the Islamic College. In London, his published five
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books, of course, as we know and at the moment he's the resident
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eylem of the bubble in Center in Leeds and of course.
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Sure. You have taken the Internet by
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storm in recent months. I don't know why.
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But that but I'm glad that we share some ideas and people
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found it. Interesting enough to reshare
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them. Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely. Chef something interesting, of
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course over the years you've been engaging in dialogue with
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with different different Circles, of course you spoken to
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far-right what they would call foreign leaders and of course
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you've you've recently done had a viral clip which has gone
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absolutely worldwide on algorithms of tick-tock and so
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Media. But today we want to talk and
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really, I think we should introduce on the current news of
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the day, which is Andrew take becoming a Muslim.
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Say what? What, where Where Do We Begin?
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Will, we're going to begin with the chef himself.
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Yeah I know I know throw me under the bus from the
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beginning, I would 100%. I mean handle I've had the
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pleasure of being numerous lectures of your soul, but
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everything from you on the pulpit.
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This today in Charlotte the means fight insightful for
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myself and my family and everyone listening because it's
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a topic everyone's talking about.
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About. So I'm going to go straight to
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the question, Chef. Why are your views on Andrew
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Tate's? Some of them.
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I've seen someone tweet a hello Tate.
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So sorry because offended. Anyway, I think we look Sharon
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Tate. Tate.
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Yeah. What are your views on him?
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Or I wouldn't say views because Everyone's entitled to their own
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opinion. That's where do you stand?
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Knowing someone like Andrew Tate has converted to the religion of
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Islam. Women are from under him.
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Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala guides and Everyone has the opportunity
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to enter into the faith of Islam and go on that Journey towards
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God. I think what's really
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interesting here is that Tate is not dividing opinion.
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Actually it seems like Tate is bringing the Muslim one more
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together. I think out of everyone that I'm
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speaking to there's almost ejim are almost the consensus.
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Yes. On the worries that they have
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around Andrew take becoming a Muslim or rather the platform
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that he may be. Even too early when he's become
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a Muslim. So I think we all know what
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Andrews background is or if you don't you know we see a lot of
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sort of, you know, business models that are very very
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questionable casinos cams of women that we might call
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basically being prostitutes. I think, you know, the sort of
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the extremists materialism the misogyny and hatred towards
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women. And this is just sort of the
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general that we get from him when you see his videos.
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So when a person like that comes to Islam, it's important for the
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Muslim ummah, not to put him on a pedestal and say that this is
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where you find your Islam. And it's important for him to
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not put himself in a position where he says that My Views are
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Islamic views, they are Andrew Tate's views and he's on a very
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long journey for him to Unlearn a lifetime of what he's been
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doing and then to be able to relearn or to begin learning,
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what he needs to learn for the rest of his life.
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It's like when you take the shahadat actually quite simple,
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isn't it la la Forma en la la. So you're supposed to negate all
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the false gods that lie within you.
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Mmm, and then affirm the one true God not the other way
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around. So there needs to be a period of
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cooling off. Stepping back Reflection
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Learning. And then Insha'Allah, we can
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have checked 8 in front of us that benefit from his life
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experience. But until then he should really
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really consider taking a step back and I would caution others
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from giving him a platform way too early and something we can
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go, we'll have to delve into more but that's my instant
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reaction. There's an interesting, of
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course, because a lot of us, a lot of people will initially say
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well how can one forget everything Said and done and in
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recent weeks, let alone years, he may have said things which
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could have be arguably controversial.
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Now if someone has taken the shahada to what degree and
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responsibility we have as Muslims to ignore all past
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activity and sin, and just treat them as a newborn in essence, a
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clean, slate insolent, you know? Or is it responsible for us to
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bear in mind? The context of where they've
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come from? And obviously, I have have a
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pinch of salt in a way, we Eat them and think about them going
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forward to see where I'm Goin with ya.
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Absolutely well, it's true when we all say that he's got a blank
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slate, what we mean by that is that he's been forgiven of sins,
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right? But that doesn't mean that there
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is not additional responsibility upon them there is and it
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doesn't mean that he's necessarily let go of either the
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material things that he's brought with him or even the
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ideologies that he's brought with him.
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So, you know that when for example, the time of the Prophet
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sallallaahu, Ali people To convert Christine's used to
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convert to Islam. Jews.
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Used to convert to Islam many a time.
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They still brought with them. Their previous ideologies.
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They couldn't let go of them are, and so they would retell
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the stories of the ancient prophets.
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But through what they learn from the Bible or what they learn
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through their own stories? So that was a cautionary tale
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back then of course it's of cautionary tale for us now.
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Yeah so number one he has more responsibility upon him because
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now he's McAuliffe is got her arm upon He's got Halal upon
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him, he also carries with him a lifetime of ideology, and so if
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he brings that to Islam and then uses Islam to reaffirm those
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things, then this becomes even more dangerous for the Muslim
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Community. Because now they're actually
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seeing someone who's talking through the lens of Islam, but
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they may be bringing with them, their past views.
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And so a clean slate doesn't mean literally a clean slate
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that nothing can be contextualized about No, all of
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those things have to be brought to the context of the discussion
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with him, but it could be that we say that his sins are
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forgiven, but that doesn't mean that we don't understand where
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his money or his ideas or his popularity or is platform has
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come from. Those things are very very much
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part and parcel of him until he himself separates from those
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things entirely and to my limited knowledge.
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As of recording this discussion, he has not yet disavowed.
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All those things. Hmm.
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Actually they seem To be very much part of him.
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So, we need to be able to know these things before we can make
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a full judgment. I don't know what your thoughts
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are say because I know it's quite new for you.
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I do you only recently found out about it's only been a few
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months and I think that's when I think I found out, he got
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cancelled by many people. Yeah, places like YouTube.
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I think Airbnb if that's relevant to anyone clicked.
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Like, that's maybe what? Yeah, they said you can't use
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our bathroom. I don't know what I was speaking
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to earlier driving to, it was a drive to the studio earlier on.
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I was like, a lot of Muslims, they've been relating to his His
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way of torque because they find some connection to him, where it
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is in line with some of our values as much else.
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No. I mean, like, you could argue so
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I turned up. So I'm going to do as I say like
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just on what you're saying. So many people, listen to
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entertain and they'll say that and Route 8 aligns with what I
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believe in. And rotate says the things I
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think. But without, you know, said bees
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for a little Shifty, by the way, before his conversion.
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So I've heard. Yes.
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So interesting, I don't know if anyone has Tick-Tock.
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I really don't promote that platform this apart from the
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office. Margaret best on Tick Tock.
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He was, he is well, well known as shared state of seeing like
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hashtags. And so I first came, I mean he's
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to come up with my feet and I'd watch a few things and I'll be
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like, well this is Extreme or this is vile.
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Even if he said something fairly within the range of being right,
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A Broken Clock is still right twice a day, but it doesn't
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necessarily mean I take from the clock still broken.
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Yeah. In the same way his words may
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ring true in certain spheres but it's still coming from a place
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of extremism. Being broken from within.
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But I remember coming across improperly is in thinking about
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where the Genesis of his name was.
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And I saw a viral video where someone asked the Muslim like,
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you know, who's your role model. And the person said I have to
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say, no be Muhammad sallallahu alehiwassallaam because I'm a
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Muslim, but actually for me in the real world, it's Andrew tape
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and it caused such a stink, such a controversy on social media.
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I came across that video. Okay, let me find who this?
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Angie Take guy is and then I realize, oh, it's that guy that
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I've been going, man. You know, I've been skipping
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because like his stuff is so hot flashes here and I had now, put
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two and two together, so who he is.
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But now on the basis of his conversion, are you going to
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judge them differently as a? Are you going to you going to
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overlook your opinions of him? No, no.
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As I said, he comes with baggage.
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Yeah, and he's not an ordinary individual by his own testimony.
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He is the self-proclaimed The most Google man in the world at
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the moment to if that's the case people are looking to him.
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And they're going to see, literally hundreds of thousands
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of videos in different context from before, who knows whether a
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person is going to distinguish was that said ten years ago?
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Five years ago yesterday, is he speaking in the name of Islam?
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You brought an incredible point. It's day one.
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And he's already quoting Islamic scholars.
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Yeah, he quoted even. So what happens to me?
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When he throws out an Ayah of the Quran or throws out a Hadith
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of the Prophet. Salallahu alihi wasalam, people
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are going to see that and go. Wow, he's quoting scripture now.
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So he's got Authority now, and how do I know he's not mixing
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previous ideologies with Islam? And now bringing a bastardized
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version of that Islam to the world becomes dangerous, hugely
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dangerous, because if you are already throwing out scholarly
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names in quotes, where's it going to stop?
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Yeah, and the danger persists as well, of course, because if a
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guy regardless, who is whether it's Andrew take or anyone else,
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takes a crash course on Islam for a couple of weeks, they
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still not going to know the difference like you said she
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between different Scholars. Tough series of different ayat
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and how they differ with, you know what I mean?
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Basic Islamic history. Let alone kind of complex stuff,
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but the guy because of his platform and because he's a
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well-known person tweeting out something and quoting as Islamic
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scholar, or a You know, whatever might be people take from that,
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you know? For example, a footballer
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tweets, the weather hamdulillah. Well for example, anti Joshua
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said, the Handler erling Holland.
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A few months ago. Said we win the game and Sharla
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people went nuts. Absolutely not so.
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Oh my God. Erling Harlan might be a Muslim
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the world. That was crazy honestly but I
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imagine. So for example you've got 13 or
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14 year old boys, and this is why I think a lot of people have
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a problem with him 13 or 14. 15 year old boys are impressionable
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and not even that I think just generally men are
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impressionable, we as Men, we don't understand the concept of
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masculinity, we all have our own definitions of masculinity.
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Some people even in today's day and age, tell us there's no such
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thing as masculine. I staffs are boxed.
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You, many times. Can you define it for me because
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I'm still having trouble? I think that's not.
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But my point being, is that because people lack that or
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understanding of that, they will look for anything which gives
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them purpose and tells them what masculinity is in an articulate
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Manner. And that's what some people deem
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agitate to do. So, they will take everything
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and anything from from him or anyone that they look up to.
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So, that's where the danger is, because whatever he's saying.
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And however, he's saying it, people will take from him.
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And the problem is, where does this end?
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So, as an example because of his position and wealth, there's
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going to be a certain type of scholar that's attracted to him.
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And he's going to attract that type of scholar.
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So tomorrow he goes out to the Middle East and he hangs out
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with sort of the the the scholars there I think is in the
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why write and write and they owe him and he gets the Dubai
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experience. It's bullying its Rich its
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materialistic and buys into what he He does, and it feeds what he
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does. So now, he Wheels, Islam is a
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weapon all along. He's been using misogyny, all
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along has been using, I think, as I said, he has a business
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where he had some cam girls, and these sorts of things and other
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below now, tomorrow, he goes and finds a 50 ruling.
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For example, you know, I can have four wives.
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Hmm. Now he goes and gets married to
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for women and says see Islam, endorses my position about how I
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think about women. Yeah.
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And all of a sudden he uses Islam as a And as a mallet to be
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able to hit women over the head with previously, it was his own
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ideology, his own culture, he was a product of sort of
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whatever you want to call it. Western culture, Romanian
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culture, freedom of that nature. Now he's able to use Islam in
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that same way Allah Allah, because to be honest, some of us
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we love will be honest. We no one can ever determine
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what's in, someone's heart and mind.
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Yeah, yeah. Charlotte that, you know, he's
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guided and he's pure in his intentions and he finds a lot
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almost became and shallow. We all do.
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Do but like you said, we have to take context when we when we
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discussed this character and and the the potential repercussions
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of his role in society and the influence who will have on
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people and to be honest, he's blew up his blown up because of
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tick-tock and social media. Yeah, you know, and Sharon, I'm
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going to imagine myself in a scenario and as I think it's a
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good question to ask me another you here on the podcast.
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Let's say I'm 13. 14, 15. And I've got someone, he has he
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speaks in a certain way. Yeah, I'm attracted to Stone the
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way he uses while Cadbury. Whatever is these days, all
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these people like entered. Say everyone watches them.
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How do I know what the saying is right?
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If the quoting Islam, for example, because you gave an
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example, he may use Islam to benefit himself, but how would
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we know differentiate voicing is right.
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It's a real problem because if he's quoting or on and quoting
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the Hadith, then he's able to say that there is textual
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evidence for what he wants to be able to say, I think a person
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needs to acquaint themselves with what's in what is commonly
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agreed with as genuine Islamic scholarship?
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Okay. And genuine, Islamic scholarship
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is not something that is taking a couple of years to achieve
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we're talking about Scott. Who have spent their lives
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dedicated to this 40, 50 years? The proof is in the pudding.
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The Publications that they've released the level of
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scholarship is agreed upon by other Scholars.
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Even if you're not in the same mother herb, or even if you're
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not within the same sort of narrow cut, the line of
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thinking, okay, there's always Scholars that we broadly look at
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say, okay, I may not agree with everything that comes from there
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but he's recognized as an authority within the deal.
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Start their see, what? The authoritative figures say,
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and how they are producing their evidence around certain issues,
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acquaint yourself with that. Tear it to shreds debate, it
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critique it. Bring your own evidence has no
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problem, but at least know where Authority exists in Islam over
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the centuries. And then compare and contrast,
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what is coming from Fringe? People from new ideas and
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compare and contrast and where you sit with those, don't do it.
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The other way around. Don't start by acquainting
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yourself with fringe ideas, novel ideas, first, Then
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thinking that's the standard of Truth, start with the Quran that
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I had youth. Genuine scholarship and that's
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the way we would do it. So beautifully said Charlie.
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Yeah you know it's interesting because say you mentioned about
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13 14 15 year-old boy. Yeah.
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And Chef, you mentioned about finding Authority and so on.
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Now someone might argue how can a 13 year old boy look for
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stomach Authority and be able to disseminate who the real
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Scholars over the period of centuries and so on but we're
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told to do that. So at the time of bilac, we're
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told pick a merger for example. That's a we're ready told to do
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that. But if you give a young boy who
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in his free time is voluntarily looking and and watching and
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learning from the likes of and routing and you show him an
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amazing Islamic scholar on the flip side who does not look
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relatable to him, it does not sound will have the same sort of
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accent to him or understand the same culture that he's being
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brought born and brought up in, which one is the child going to
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pick? It's clear as day.
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Does that mean that I'm going to ask this question to you?
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Sure. Because you are part of this
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quality Circle and you've obviously you've been through
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Like a different circles and life and have been born and
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brought up in ends as we say, here in the sun, in the roads,
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which was which Port scholarship means is, it's not quite the
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ends. Not really, it was the rougher
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side of your own games, but it's still not ruff ruff.
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Yeah, I know, but your point being shot bricks and culture.
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Yeah, of course. So what I mean to say is, is it
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this responsibility of Scholars to become more relatable to give
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the alternative to Andrew take, but using the same criteria.
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Syria the attractiveness. The fast-paced speaking.
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For example, the quick information, the relatability
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and all the thing is Andrew take attracts people because why?
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Because he looks good. He speaks well, he's blunt with
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his words. He talks on behalf of other men
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and defense Mentor other people to people at.
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Wow, this guy's amazing. So all you men listen to him.
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I'll say I mean he claims that a large portion of his supporters
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are women because I wouldn't be surprised other.
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I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there are there.
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A lot of conservative mind women and his voice amplifies their
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understanding like there to their gender role.
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Yeah. And he's also be exactly the
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gender role of women and their role as a mother and being loyal
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to one man and so on and so forth and a lot of women agree
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with that, you know. And like I said, Muslim woman
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will agree with that majority of the time.
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But yeah, majority I'd say majority men, listen to him.
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But is it not the responsibility of our Scholars to find
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alternative because we have amazing Scholars like myself who
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are doing great work but seminars Lecture series and so
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on and so forth. That's great for someone who's
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like, you know, studied a good, a degree in can listen to
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lectures, but for someone who's younger, maybe, maybe not
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firstly, I'm not a scholar, but by the definition of an Islamic
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scholar, but the starting point from The Chronic perspective.
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Is that the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alehiwassallaam was
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from amongst of the people, right?
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The Quran says who are lady but I feel me.
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You know, rasoolum Min home and the prophet was raised from
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amongst themselves. Meaning he was relatable to them
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in culture in language in style. But from the other perspective,
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we have to ask, well, what do we want from scholarship?
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Is the criteria of scholarship relatability.
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Is that what I'm primarily looking for or am I primarily
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looking for someone who is deeply understanding The Deen of
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Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala and how he or she is able to relate
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to me is of secondary importance.
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We have to understand, you know? Yeah of course, what we're
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really looking for and I feel that if we were going to put
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relatability ahead of depth of knowledge and that would be a
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very shallow way of understanding things.
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The Quran says we need people who are Leah to fuck the who 15
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deeply entrenched into the Deen of Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala.
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So we had these two balancing issues where you need someone
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who is relatable, but you also want someone who is profound in
21:58
the religion. Now, I think the balance between
22:02
these two points is Leti because when you sit with someone who
22:06
has profound, genuinely profound and not Sam, soundbite profound
22:11
someone is genuinely profound irrespective of their age or
22:15
where they live, they will be able to relate to you.
22:19
I give you an example. The grand scholar, who I studied
22:24
under or at least under his institution Grand.
22:26
Ayatollah, sayyed, Muhammad, taqi and madrasi I go and visit
22:31
karbala and he'll be like tell Ami, what's the latest on AI and
22:36
how we're applying this in the west literally he's telling?
22:39
And then he's like, I need you to do this and this for me and
22:41
and and Research into this, and I've never even thought about it
22:45
last time when I went to Qatar, but up, you know, a month back
22:48
for the auto body near he said, can you look into VR?
22:54
How do we make, how do we use VR?
22:57
And bring it to Muslims and make that technology to our benefit?
23:02
Because I'm worried that VR is going.
23:04
You know, take us in a different direction, he's literally
23:07
talking about the metaverse. I'm talking about metaverse in
23:10
my lectures. I didn't expect an 80 year old
23:13
man from Iraq, to talk to me about that.
23:16
Yeah, if you're genuinely profound in the religion, you
23:19
should be able to have those conversations.
23:21
And that's my point when people have access, and they know that
23:25
scholarship. Genuine scholarship is able to
23:27
bridge the gap. It becomes easier for us.
23:31
So my humble advice to our youth is, don't judge.
23:34
Book by it's cover, no place. One aspect as most important.
23:40
See all the faculties and facets of this issue and then pick the
23:43
right person but you need people to guide your there, you're an
23:46
experienced person in the community.
23:49
You've got access to a lot of Scholars.
23:51
We've got experience. If people are looking for
23:54
guidance, ask, you know, first I do have a vicar in contaminated,
23:58
Amanda prances us, those people of knowledge and those who know
24:01
and remember if you don't know. No and that's That's supposed to
24:04
be the way. So you know, if you are 13, 1518
24:08
you're looking for scholarly guidance, ask people don't jump
24:12
into it because it's better for you to take time then to do
24:17
something in haste and get it wrong shape on rushed into
24:20
something into a response. Unless said, you know about Adam
24:24
alaihi Salam. He rushed into a response
24:26
through his, you know, his haste, in his greed, in his
24:28
Envy. Where did that lead him?
24:30
Yeah, we should learn from this to be patient with these matters
24:33
and be wise. I know it's hard to ask for 13
24:36
year old to be wise, but we're not asking a thirteen-year-old
24:38
to be too quick. We're asking the
24:41
thirteen-year-old just relax and say, what's the long-term
24:44
investment in this question? And that should help and parents
24:47
should be there, scholar, should be their leaders of the youth
24:50
like, you guys could be there to help guide guide that process to
24:53
be honest. I completely agree with a lot of
24:55
what you said, but there's elements of perhaps what you
24:57
said. Well, I think we're maybe,
24:59
maybe. It's maybe there's things we can
25:01
work on. So, for example, we're asking a
25:03
lot. From children to be able to, to
25:06
analyze this because obviously they're their brains are not
25:09
fully developed. And it's also, you know, they
25:11
have, they know what they may know what's right, and what's
25:13
the right thing to do, but the sheer volume of jahiliyya that
25:17
surrounds a child in today's day and age in school and in wider
25:20
society and especially online, now which is the ultimate
25:23
society which a child will engage with for the coming years
25:27
that's going to play a bigger role in influencing at least
25:30
their psyche for the coming years you know if not for the
25:33
rest of their life, okay? I think a big portion of of
25:36
accountability or even maybe not accountability, sounds like
25:39
there's a Blame Game involved, but maybe there should be
25:42
responsibilities taken by parents today and come parents
25:46
to come parents like us who are parents of young children to
25:49
understand the issues that young children are facing, and even
25:52
young adults are facing. And then Taylor parenting
25:55
towards, you know, empowering our children, and teaching them,
25:59
what's right and wrong. And then at the same times, I
26:02
think they're like, you said she asked, there are people Who are
26:04
engaged in the community but are not Scholars like ourselves
26:06
Handler. We have the blessing of
26:07
opportunity to be involved and Handler to have a network, and
26:10
so on, but to pass on our feedback, to our Scholars such
26:15
as yourself, and, and other Scholars, and to share the fact
26:17
that I feel for example, that there should be more powerful
26:21
media coming from our Scholars. I feel that like I feel that
26:24
there should be the YouTube series is series and there
26:27
should be the books and the should be the PDFs and the
26:30
station's is on, but at the same time, there should be content,
26:33
which is tailored for Abolish just become bollocks, boy or
26:36
girl, who are inevitably going to be on social media, but lack
26:40
that because if I wanted some other mohab in Islam and all the
26:43
schools of thought they have that, there are young scholars,
26:46
who understand social media. But we lie.
26:48
I really agree with the feedback with the critique that you're
26:51
giving here. Firstly in regards to what I
26:55
agree with. I do feel that the Western model
26:59
of shiism is way behind others and that could be.
27:02
Yeah. That a just don't we're behind
27:05
because we don't have the numbers.
27:07
We haven't had the investment and, you know, as maybe first,
27:11
second generation immigrants, we're still playing a little bit
27:13
catch up. There are reasons for that.
27:14
I do respect that, and I do agree, especially with the more
27:18
subtle critique that you're making, that sort of Western
27:21
scholarship in terms, of what it's producing is, still way way
27:24
behind as well. It's not produced a level of
27:27
content or material that is required, and I think that's a
27:31
discussion that we need to go into as well on the other Site.
27:35
I think we are you know, to say a thirteen-year-old is supposed
27:39
to make a decision in isolation. I think that's wrong.
27:42
That's my response and say that if you're looking from a chronic
27:46
perspective as an example, the Quran in Surah tan or chapter
27:50
24, Allah says a really strange verse right.
27:52
He says no blame on you if you go and eat at the houses of your
27:57
fathers and your uncles, and your cousins, and your aunties,
28:01
and Aunt Why would Allah tell you?
28:05
There's no problem for you. Going to eat at the houses of
28:07
your own family members. Doesn't make sense.
28:09
Actually, what it's showing you is that every person is supposed
28:14
to be part of a wider family unit.
28:16
Yeah. We say we have a term, we say a
28:20
village raises a child. Yeah.
28:22
What we've become in the western Society because of how busy Our
28:25
Lives it saves our is that we sort of imagine that we just a
28:30
nuclear family at best sometimes and sometimes Parents live on
28:34
other side of the world broken homes.
28:37
So a child is often growing up in isolation, even worse the
28:40
stuck in front of the TV. Yeah and so as you said they're
28:44
learning things from try me, you are themselves, trying things
28:46
out themselves. Actually the way Islam views,
28:49
the growth of the child is that they have access to a very wide
28:54
base of experience and knowledge.
28:57
I like your uncle, your father, your grandfather, your aunt,
29:00
your cousins are all part of feeding into the Element of that
29:03
child. Mmm.
29:04
That's the meaning of this Ayah. And so when we say a
29:08
thirteen-year-old for example, which is yeah, guidance, real
29:12
genuine Guidance just because it become bollocks and he is to
29:16
pick a merger. It runs on it's not on his own.
29:19
It's not. Hey, okay.
29:20
Just take the result and I told that this is what I'm saying.
29:23
So with a young age we're told that and if you don't know you
29:26
must ask one or two or three wise people in the community who
29:29
have trust in, that's what we're told and as a teacher, I
29:32
remember that. Yeah.
29:33
Remember that, right? And if you go to Madras are
29:35
majority madrasas and this is what you teach children have
29:37
become like becoming by earlier. And I think she asked that's
29:40
interesting because I think our community does raise us at least
29:42
in my own Community which is, of course your wasn't item for.
29:44
For so many years in the community, I grew up in, we we
29:48
were raised by our community but the things we are raised on are
29:52
fantastic. So for example, history of the
29:54
imams and the holidays and so on, but maybe the things that
29:57
are more concerning today in 2022, like you said, yes, and
30:01
yes, there's an absentee parent. Team from yeah, that's what.
30:04
Yeah. So what you raised on is
30:06
actually the cultural diet of the community.
30:08
Right. Yeah, so the expression of the
30:11
modulus, for example, is a cultural expression particularly
30:15
us to from the indo-pak sub-continent.
30:18
Yeah. And so, on you, for example,
30:20
from the at our Key Community as a reflection of that.
30:22
And so the language the expressions are there.
30:25
If you go to an Islamic perspective, it's a very, very
30:28
different thing and you're supposed to nurture the child.
30:33
Child and if the child is not ready to make a decision, even
30:36
if he does something it says, okay, just for the sake of it.
30:38
I'm a post holder. I'm not going to say this tiny
30:41
or whatever, may Allah preserve him.
30:43
That doesn't stop him from taking time now, to be able to
30:47
think and research and ask and see where I'm best positioned in
30:50
life. Hmm.
30:52
And what we imagine is that we have to throw this child into
30:55
something that they're clearly, not ready for and just let them
30:58
sink or swim. No, no, no.
31:02
Rational In being does that with any other part of their life,
31:06
but we expect a thirteen-year-old to do it and
31:08
then we blame them for turning away from the dean, or the sort
31:12
of the more conservative strictly side of it.
31:16
Yeah, we blame them when they're going towards, you know, videos
31:19
that are sound bites and they getting their Dean or their
31:21
ideas from this, clearly clearly, The Way We Were
31:25
presenting the fit and the way we're presenting the tibia of
31:28
these children is not in sync with the reality, and that's
31:31
what I agree with ya. Yeah, so I emphasize the
31:34
thirteen-year-old fine. If you need to tick the Box tick
31:38
the box, but it doesn't stop you having a journey that lasts.
31:42
However, long it needs to last and that's where I said family
31:46
unit Community. Good teachers, like yourselves
31:49
are no marks collars, they come into it and they have a really
31:52
wide role to play. We have to take a step back and
31:55
see how our institutions and our communities are raising our
31:58
children and these these gaps that you're raising.
32:02
If we don't start to Lock them. Very, very soon.
32:05
It will be the and rotates of the world that take over now
32:09
leaves us in a really sticky position.
32:11
Hmm, I think that I'd say no but as you as you were speaking now
32:16
just thinking of my head you know and I think we briefly
32:19
spoke about just before we sat on the podcast is getting rich
32:24
and being Muslim, for example, there's a loud and I was just
32:27
thinking, you know, can I hear take, for example, the same time
32:30
kind of here, you know, I'll always be honest.
32:33
Get rich or die. Trying to look at the extreme
32:54
which is also Tweet and you might quote Hadith of the day or
33:05
something. Yeah.
33:06
Like for example, I might fall victim to this.
33:08
I get daily. Had these reminders screenshot
33:11
share everyone thought. Wow, Masha Allah, this is an
33:13
incredible. How do you think then you're
33:14
driving the Ferrari? Yeah everyone but I think what
33:18
you mean? What if I've understood
33:19
correctly you're saying that even the smallest acts of
33:22
religious practice can be Amplified and be seen as as I
33:25
mean. No.
33:27
I was saying, for example, it's cool to be a religious so there
33:30
shouldn't be a problem. Yeah, let's put 125.
33:33
As let's see, he doesn't exist by someone who has his, for
33:36
example, way of thinking, when it comes to work.
33:39
Yeah. So I don't know much about.
33:41
So hop on this Crossing anyone here but he's rich as far as I'm
33:44
aware. Yeah, and now he's like going
33:47
into the dean. So there's nothing wrong with
33:48
being. How do you feel about that?
33:50
You agree with that? Because we see like for example,
33:52
the life of Salam and what do you mean?
33:55
It's in which they lived and I don't know, I don't really even
34:01
know how I would feel on there. Wasn't I I don't know if it's
34:03
right or wrong, I don't know. Let's check.
34:05
Like you said to me on the phone idea that you'd hope that that
34:08
people who join the religion and have a high net worth.
34:11
For example we learned from the likes of say the Khadija Islam
34:14
Allah and also for example like some uh it hasn't any Salam who
34:18
if I'm not mistaken gave his wealth away twice in his life.
34:20
Yeah. And towards the cause of Allah
34:22
respond to either and you know I think that I'll be honest Get
34:27
rich, why not like make money. And I feel like as men and we're
34:31
talking about men and masculinity as part of this
34:34
discussion I thought we have to there's a responsibility on us
34:36
to make money and to provide its comically a duty upon us.
34:40
And and and it gives us something to work towards shared
34:43
that. Well I think that's what I need
34:45
like this. There's that that money is given
34:47
to us by Allah Allah to be used for a last month, other, but,
34:51
but we enjoy that we thrive on it.
34:54
As long as we don't get greedy, I don't know.
34:57
At the national. Do you think I think when we
35:01
using these terms we have to be very careful.
35:03
Yeah. Between the Islamic definitions
35:05
of rich and wealthy versus Western perception of wealthy
35:11
and Rich. And what we do with that, I'll
35:14
just give a very simple example, normally.
35:17
Now, when we get richer, we move up the socio-economic class,
35:23
okay? And what that means is, now I
35:25
have more money. I have to buy the bigger house
35:29
to a company than you salary and accompanying the new house has
35:32
to come the new car and accompanying.
35:34
The new car has to come a better style of holiday.
35:38
So now I'm previously, I was able to afford a four-star
35:41
hotel, now I can get six star and so with the wealth income,
35:45
the increase. So too, does the lifestyle
35:47
become High Street? That's very true.
35:49
If that's the way we understand getting rich and no problem with
35:53
getting rich, I'm going to humbly suggest that it's Has a
35:57
problem with that. Okay, okay.
36:00
So how do we evidence this? Well, firstly the Quran and
36:03
secondly, the ahadith Allah subhanaw taala.
36:07
For example, in the Quran sort of the baccarat, he has an Ayah,
36:10
the companion said to the prophet.
36:12
Salallahu alihi, wasalam, yes, I don't occur mother unicorn, they
36:16
ask you, what should they spend, not, how much should they spend?
36:21
What should this? Because as you know, you know,
36:23
sometimes when you give something in charity, you don't
36:25
just give money. Sometimes you can get Clothes,
36:27
or you can get food. What should we spend?
36:29
Got us a lot. Now this answer is incredible.
36:32
Allah says pull say Azula laughs whatever is Surplus okay?
36:40
Yeah this is really important. It comes to the idea of wealth
36:43
wealth creation and the redistribution of wealth Yara,
36:47
sort of law. What should we give in the way
36:49
of needs a laugh? Whatever is your Surplus?
36:53
So let's break this down, really simply.
36:54
Imagine saying now, you are income 2,000 a month.
36:58
Hmm, you'll needs of 1500 a month.
37:01
What's your Surplus 5.5 hundred? What we tend to think in the
37:05
western societies that with 500 a month Surplus?
37:08
And what you are said, spender, I get a nice pair of jeans, I
37:11
can put it in this, I can put in that, whatever's left you, that
37:14
is yourself us. That's what we're seeing even
37:16
that, maybe not because I put, okay, someone comes to the
37:19
mosque and they're like, oh, we have a, we have a neat.
37:22
We're starting a charity for Orphans and you put out a 20
37:24
quid and you see my Charles I did good.
37:27
This is a type of Charity, it's good.
37:29
But firstly, Islam wants institutional causes not just
37:32
all, I'll give 20 quid because it's good or 50 pound a month
37:34
because the pride and say that said, whatever is your genuine
37:39
Surplus above your needs. That is the hawk of someone
37:44
else. No way.
37:45
That's even in a Hadith of elevated.
37:47
Him somewhere from Imam Ali. And his mom saw, it said I'm a
37:50
look at him or whatever is above your needs.
37:53
My knees is actually the hook of others Hmm.
37:58
Now, who those Hogan? The categories is a secondary
38:01
question but let's just get the principal right?
38:04
I imagine that when I go up in wealth, yeah I get to spend more
38:09
on myself and my family to become more luxurious.
38:13
That's the problem with what we said earlier, we said it's no
38:16
problem in me getting rich. When lady said EJ, alehissalaam,
38:19
got rich. Yeah, her lifestyle did not go
38:22
up. Her ability to spend more on
38:26
others, went up. Can you see the difference?
38:29
What we imagine is now that I've got more, I can buy the nicer
38:32
car. I can buy a 40,000-pound cloud
38:34
words, actually, all I need for my level of living is an 18,000
38:38
pound car. Yeah.
38:39
Watch yourself. Plus 14, minus 18. 22.
38:42
Nat 22,000 belongs to someone else.
38:44
It doesn't belong to you. In a sense.
38:48
Yeah. So we had welcome - 840 - a 41
38:51
seconds. A few bucks to spare.
38:52
You got 40 Grand, you need 40 Grandpa.
38:54
Of course. No you do is your your
38:57
requirement sufficient with an 18-grand car?
39:00
Yes. More than enough.
39:01
More than enough, your socio economic standards.
39:04
Yes, therefore that 22,000 in this example if you long for
39:08
someone else okay but if I can if I can if I can maybe just add
39:12
something to this. Because a lot of the time, let
39:15
me try and think about how to word this in today's day and
39:17
age. You see the likes of influences
39:19
who are on jet skis and who are in private jets, for example,
39:23
and they tell you to be motivated to live the lifestyle
39:27
that you want to live. So people, when they're working,
39:29
they want to get rich to live a lifestyle.
39:32
Do you see what I mean? You don't get rich to earn the
39:34
money. You get rich to earn money so
39:36
you can spend on the lifestyle, for example.
39:38
Now if I'm, if I'm not mistaken, what you're saying is Islam
39:41
allows you to get rich and maybe even encourages you to get rich
39:44
for the purpose of, for the purpose of using your Surplus
39:47
Store. Was the cause of the last part.
39:48
I love, I'm not mistaken, but then, like I said, in terms of
39:51
motivating people to what degree can we can, we, can we make this
39:57
attractive to people? Because now, in this day and
40:00
age, when we have costs of living, which are so high and
40:03
and thus financial situation, the economic situation, and not
40:06
just the UK, but the world is so dangerous.
40:09
People need to earn more money and people need to use the
40:11
engineer Ingenuity and they need to use creativity to earn more
40:14
money. It's good for them to earn more
40:15
money so that they can Keep up with the requirements that the
40:19
financial burden is the you know, that put upon us.
40:22
But at the same time the primary motivation should be if I'm not
40:25
mistaken to use the Surplus that we are trying to earn towards
40:29
the cause of a lot opponent either but that's not
40:31
marketable. Do you see what I mean?
40:33
It does not appeal to people the same way Instagram pictures of
40:38
of jet, skis and cigars and so on and so forth.
40:41
Have do you see what I mean? But why do I need to make my
40:44
Islam appealable in that way? It's not about you.
40:47
Making it appealable to force her to yourself.
40:50
For example, it's about the masses.
40:52
Do you see what I mean? So them to give up that
40:53
lifestyle. Like yeah.
40:55
Like as in you want people to come towards the right cause.
40:58
Yeah and you want people so how can we how can how can we
41:02
propagate that message in the right format?
41:04
So that as many people as possible, understand what the
41:07
the use of money isn't this day in age because we live in a day
41:10
and age where you play Grand Theft Auto and the front cover
41:12
of the game. For example, shows girls and
41:15
music, and fast, cars and, and all of that.
41:17
Kind of stuff, but the reality is Aslam tells you that money is
41:20
to be used for the cause of Allah subhanaw.
41:22
Taala to serve the orphan, and the needy, and so on and so
41:25
forth. But is that attractive enough?
41:28
And I know you said she has not about being attractive, but
41:30
maybe it is because maybe it's if everyone had that mindset
41:34
that maybe we would live in a more economically.
41:36
Every time we recast religion, In a face in which it is not
41:43
actually genuinely reflective of yeah, we move.
41:48
One degree away from the truth of that religion, right?
41:51
Yeah, and me and you as Muslims, we would as an example.
41:55
Humbly critique Modern-day versions of Christianity, for
42:00
that, right? Go into a church many times,
42:03
sadly is empty. And what do they do?
42:04
They use everything in anything to try to appeal to the youth.
42:07
They'll play guitars and drums. They'll legitimize rap music
42:12
inside the church, there's this version.
42:15
If I said to you, let's use that inside the mosque, you take, but
42:19
that the hell's he doing, there's a red line.
42:24
Why are you not applying a red light when it comes to Economic
42:28
understandings of Islam, right? If you look at certain societies
42:33
right now because you talked about the cost of living crisis,
42:36
you can see that certain societies are actually beginning
42:38
to wake up to the realization that actually money.
42:41
Isn't that important in Lebanon, where there has been a financial
42:46
collapse, right yesterday? What was you know 1,000 lire
42:53
which was equivalent of 50 pens, is now a hundred thousand Lira?
42:58
Well, yeah, for 50 pence right now, So that it's destroyed but
43:03
what people are doing now is that they're realizing that they
43:05
have to look after one another. So they as a collective, is a
43:08
community. They know that they can't
43:10
afford. For example, electricity from X
43:11
country. They're starting to put in their
43:13
own solar panels. This time to buy their own
43:15
Community, generators, it realizing actually.
43:18
What's most important is looking after one another, yeah, they've
43:21
devalued that. The idea, the idea of the
43:24
currency, there's a diva, there's an inflation in the
43:27
currency, but the same time in their value system in their mind
43:30
in their hearts saying what? Actually, we're thinking to
43:32
realize there's something greater than money here right
43:35
now Islam. Asks of you, one thing we didn't
43:40
ask you to get rich, it ask you just to be able to earn enough
43:43
money to look after your family, to fulfill your duties.
43:46
Which is your why Jim? No fucker?
43:48
You're a father. You're a father.
43:50
I'm a father husband. Husband husband, I'm doing that.
43:54
All Allah asks for is for you to be able to look after your
43:57
family. Give them, good shelter, good
43:59
food. You know, look after the
44:02
heating, make sure that their medical bills are paid for.
44:05
This is this is your duty. You don't have Duty above that.
44:09
If you want to give more than that, I'm did it up.
44:12
That's on, you go and achieve it.
44:14
You have all the freedom as long as you don't do anything harm.
44:18
Even the macro heart. You can go into a lot.
44:21
Doesn't stop you. He won't punish you for it but
44:24
don't attribute it to the Deen of Allah, subhanahu wa'ta'ala
44:27
and say that. We now have to say that the dean
44:30
should move in this way. Let's just be open and honest
44:33
and say all the Deen of Allah ask from you is X if you want to
44:37
go do Ooh, Y and Zed. As long as you're not doing
44:40
Haram. You can go in and check if you
44:42
want to have the nice holidays. You want to have a bling.
44:44
You don't have the car. No one's stopping you.
44:47
No one is stopping you have at it.
44:50
But why do we need to then say that the religion has to move to
44:56
make that comfortable? Yeah, for people, that's my
44:59
challenge to. I like that.
45:01
Yeah, yeah. Because you wouldn't accept
45:03
doing that in any other scenario.
45:06
Why should I now start doing your when it comes to
45:08
socio-economic? That's right because we see we
45:10
have, we have role models and we have friends and family rich or
45:13
die trying. It had that for you so much
45:16
times growing up. Yeah.
45:17
I mean, that's what we grew up in that age in that generation,
45:20
I remember I was five years old and I was I was talking about 50
45:23
Cent Get Rich or Die, Tryin to say eight years old but that's
45:25
what we grew up in this culture. The society and we're going to
45:28
talk about music. Bronte sisters one day.
45:31
Yeah, because I know that's so many off so much.
45:33
Yeah, yeah, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, guys.
45:37
If you are listening, I know, we're towards the end of the
45:39
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made. So I don't wanna look like the
45:57
station to earn that much. It's got me thinking.
46:01
Now about how we utilize the wealth of the community and how
46:06
we start putting sort of goals in the communal Give an example.
46:09
We're I'm the humble resident, Adam of in Leeds in shutter mode
46:15
on we did a sort of a competition.
46:18
We asked all the youth to have 30-pound Kitty and they could
46:24
start any business that they wanted.
46:26
Hello business, that they wanted.
46:28
So, some people bake cookies, some people, you know, brought
46:31
inventory the business that I did was that I brought books and
46:34
I saw books now on the 15th or shot Ramadan.
46:36
Classic wheel, of course, that's on the 15th of Ramadan which is
46:44
Imam, Hassan, Ali salams we ladder.
46:46
That's when we had, you know, that day to sell everything and
46:51
a certain amount of your Prophet had to go in the name of Imam
46:55
al-mahdi. He said, I'm not.
46:57
So obviously the whole Community from across the region.
46:59
Came, they were buying things just as an FYI.
47:02
I made the most profit. I think it was around. 150 quid
47:08
profit 5x. Yeah.
47:12
I'm just saying I'm just saying but they didn't give me the
47:13
trophy because all apparently was just for the kids.
47:16
But anyway, Russell, if you're watching II, you owe me a trophy
47:19
for that. It was incredible was
47:22
Incredibles. Every child Allah is my witness
47:25
every child that made profit and was supposed to come up and give
47:28
20% in the name of sadaqa, for Imam, Al Mahdi alaihi Salam.
47:32
Every one of them gave 100% of their profit in the name of
47:37
Imam. Al-mahdi.
47:37
A lease and I'm saying you can instill in them very early on
47:43
good business practices, let them go and earn.
47:47
If you're teaching them values, teach them Islamic values.
47:50
You know, you don't have to teach them capitalistic values
47:53
if they want them to be able to experience a greater amount of
47:57
luxury, let them do it but don't tell them that that Islam.
48:01
Sharon is the first time I've ever heard in my entire life,
48:05
that, for example, we shouldn't be saving or spending or going
48:08
on holidays. I leave.
48:09
Like I did. Buy a house, get married.
48:22
And that's it. They haven't done anything more.
48:24
Like no one actually tells you, for example.
48:26
No one's ever focus on this account.
48:28
For example, I call these cherries are things.
48:29
I've never heard it. I'll be honest, very honest.
48:33
I am currently writing a book. May Allah help me to finish it
48:37
and it's a critique only homes. Sorry, it's a critique of the
48:46
Muslim charitable spaces, okay? Wow, basically my humble,
48:50
Opinion is that we are focused on maybe three or four
48:54
charitable causes this tacky. There's a communal emphasis,
48:58
what are those causes orphans eight-armed at our Mill, where
49:02
the windows team education, so on and so forth.
49:05
According to my humble reading of the Quran, there are 18,
49:09
institutional charitable causes that are mentioned in the plan
49:13
interest. Yes.
49:14
But we, as a community focused on for y, because they are
49:17
popular because it's easy for me to ask.
49:20
Money for that. If I come in, pull on your
49:22
heartstrings, put on your height, I can just make a nice
49:24
video. There's a picture of a your
49:25
team, no shoes standing with a book, in a broken house, your
49:31
easy going to get 20 quid a box. That's, that's, that's across
49:33
the world. It's not just within the Muslim
49:35
Community. It's yeah, I don't a name
49:37
Charities, but it's the staple mainstream conventional
49:40
Charities and all of our Charities, Muslim.
49:42
And she are doing exactly the same thing.
49:44
And in my book, I demonstrate evidence that it's actually a
49:48
western model that they're following you.
49:50
Way. And then in the book, we show
49:52
the 18 charitable Avenues. And actually I've done a survey,
49:56
some Shia, like people in the, the Muslim Aid, space the Muslim
50:02
welfare charitable space. They haven't even heard of some
50:07
of those charitable causes that are mentioned in the Quran.
50:09
Haven't even heard and their heads of she charitable
50:14
organizations. They have not even heard of what
50:16
the Quran says, how are you in position if you don't know what
50:19
the Quran says, Of so it's a book that's coming out.
50:22
Your, the point you are making is so important because there's
50:25
a lack of education on the fundamentals of socio-economic
50:28
responsibilities in Islam. Yeah, and that's actually what
50:31
we're driving at here. I encourage everyone at home to
50:34
look more into shock jaffas work on it because, of course, you've
50:37
delivered. So many discussions on this and
50:39
given a series of lectures on it, as well as on my YouTube
50:42
page. It is and there are playlist for
50:45
it. Yeah, there is it's called karma
50:48
of the playlist name, but it's basically a tea.
50:50
Teen to chakra madhan's ago. I u.s.
50:54
Manchester. Okay it's on my YouTube page and
50:56
this basically goes through the 18 charitable cause 18 chair
51:01
categories of charitable causes sure I'm going to ask you a last
51:03
question before we wrap up in your early years Chef Jeff, a
51:08
lot, heck, or at the time Jeff Alaric.
51:11
I believe was known to be a community entrepreneur who
51:15
derived an incredible fast car and was a part-owner of Football
51:20
club. This is many of us know that he
51:23
was in business, with one of the most well-known, entrepreneurs
51:26
in the UK. And as far as, I understand your
51:30
life took a U-turn, what happened Handler.
51:32
So we had a medical recruitment company with supplying Locum,
51:37
doctors to the NHS. So, look, um, doctor if anyone
51:40
doesn't know when there is a need or a shortage, you can get
51:44
the temporary doctor to fill a vacancy.
51:47
So we used to supply those to the NHS and handle our Our
51:50
business was close to 100 million turnover, a year.
51:55
And as you said, we entered into a partnership with people who
51:59
are very, very experienced in this field and I got to the
52:03
point where Handler, you know, the profit that we made was very
52:06
good at the end. You know I had an a brand-new
52:10
Audi R8 and BMW M3 and Mercedes C-Class.
52:16
Although I have models are coming.
52:20
The yellow line, 34 saying, alehissalaam.
52:22
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we want for your,
52:24
for your Ascent finish, the finish the dark, but so I just
52:30
want to clarify, and it's not for the sake of boasting.
52:32
I want to give the picture, but to be honest with you, it wasn't
52:36
fulfilling. And I would go out of my way to
52:39
study Islam. Before I started work, I will go
52:42
to the chef house and study. When I finished work, I will go
52:45
to the chef's house and study, and we would be invited for
52:48
majorities Mahabharat and We would travel to different parts
52:51
of the world to be able to give it and eventually it got to the
52:54
point where I said I'm leaving my businesses and I want to be
52:57
able to go and study full-time. Yeah.
53:00
So apart from not feeling fulfilled by sort of the world
53:05
of work and whatever else I was involved with.
53:08
Actually I felt I felt that those around me I could give
53:14
more to them through em then I could through wealth.
53:18
Well so even if you placed on this scale and he said to me
53:22
read this book and then you know present it from the pulpit or in
53:25
this discussion versus make whatever 100,000 pound and give
53:29
it in charity to building a Masjid or orphans in actually
53:35
has to be that has more value. Dimensionally fundamentally.
53:40
So there was never a competition here for myself.
53:43
You let alone terms and what I could give back to the community
53:45
you ever regret the decision. You made no thousand times over.
53:50
The only regret I have is that I didn't leave work earlier.
53:54
That's the regret that I have because I feel like I could have
53:57
been doing more with my life, but but Allah gave us those
54:02
opportunities and I feel that we experienced a world and I'm
54:06
grateful for that, you know, as you said we We I was a, you know
54:10
part owner of a football club, a professional football club and
54:12
we've got to the fifth round of the FA Cup.
54:15
Just that journey and experiencing that world has
54:19
opened my eyes till today that I can see through certain things
54:22
that otherwise I probably would not have been able to and
54:25
without that I can't I sometimes, you know, I feel like
54:28
I can have a conversation with many different people about many
54:31
different things because of that experience, but that doesn't
54:34
Define me or I didn't want it to Define me.
54:38
And so, I can speak from a place of experience when it comes to
54:42
wealth, creation, wealth distribution.
54:44
But I can also experience, tell you, I regret That when I had
54:49
that money, I wasted it on this sort of thing.
54:53
Exactly what I critique earlier on, get more money is spent.
54:57
Now I get to spend lifestyle hell, but hey, I still get to
55:00
give a thousand pounds. A year in charity.
55:01
There's a charitable dinner. Masha, Allah gave five thousand
55:04
pounds and genuinely I did this times when I walk into a guarded
55:07
dinner and we're still being run today and I've been critical of
55:09
guarded in is now as you know. Yeah.
55:12
But I walk into a guarded, you know, I walked into a college in
55:14
and I could put down, I'm buying that item for 5,000 pounds.
55:18
They didn't need 5,000 pounds. You know what they needed?
55:21
They needed institutional help, not a one-off donation.
55:26
Yeah, and if we understood Islam better, we would understand
55:30
these things a lot better as well.
55:32
So I regret that I would spend eighty thousand pound in a car
55:36
because my socio-economic part allowed me to.
55:39
But I gave 5,000-pound here and I thought I'm doing good.
55:43
Actually I don't think I did any good even though I gave five
55:45
thousand pound in that garlic dinner as an example.
55:47
Yeah, I don't think I did good. My wording is very important,
55:51
I'm not saying there's no thought I bought you a time,
55:54
didn't benefit? I mean liked it enough.
55:57
No no, no, it's good. The reality of it wasn't good.
56:02
Why did was actually wrong? Yeah.
56:06
Because actually, that money that I spent on that Audi R8
56:10
that really actually, in reality, didn't belong.
56:12
To me, and Allah will hold me accountable on the day of
56:15
judgment for. They were a Tom, they were needs
56:18
and you spent it on an RA for three years, for yourself Iola.
56:23
I gave you that money so you could be my hand on Earth.
56:28
And you smashed up the wall by giving it to Audi, you
56:34
understand? Yeah, I'm gonna be held
56:36
accountable on the day of judgment for may Allah, forgive
56:38
me. That's how I see it now, and
56:40
that's my point at the time, you're like, I've got money.
56:43
I can spend it here. Here, I can go to Burj, Al Arab
56:46
Burj Khalifa Hotel, doesn't belong to you.
56:49
Money does not belong to the shifter Allah.
56:52
Your that his hand on Earth. Sure.
56:54
Just as a final and I said anything I do logo some I wish
56:59
we could just do a whole conversation this, to be honest.
57:01
I mean this I've seen thing is, I'm going, I'm reading a book at
57:05
the moment. I don't know if you've read it
57:07
by Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich.
57:09
I haven't read it. I know is next level.
57:13
Like I've read a few business books and it's I'm only kind of
57:17
maybe like a fifth or quarter through it and it's changing the
57:22
way I think of business and money and aspirational kind of
57:27
ways to live your life and the Thing is, I'm, I'm finding that
57:30
the principles that are the that Western entrepreneurs apply to
57:35
their business life can also be applied this, in terms of
57:39
discipline to your life in Islam, or your personal life,
57:42
for example, that you must be disciplined.
57:44
When you wake up and you must follow a routine and you must
57:47
have your goals and you must know what steps you can take to
57:49
reach those goals and the discipline you get from trying
57:52
to earn money, not what you do. Once you get the money can be
57:56
applied elsewhere in your life. So for example, the disciplines
57:58
You learned and your entrepreneurial activities.
58:01
I'm sure a lot of those qualities and skills work
58:03
skills, transferable skills and characteristics that you've used
58:05
elsewhere. So on that basis, would you
58:08
continue to encourage people at home who are trying to earn
58:10
money to keep going and as much as they can, and as much as you
58:14
can be as successful as you can Imam.
58:17
Ali Ali, he said, I'm used to go into the markets and used to
58:21
shout out. Shout out.
58:24
Learn your rulings then go into business.
58:27
Interesting, not the other way. Around.
58:29
Yeah, because he said once you're grounded in understanding
58:31
your your Tech Leaf, your responsibilities or duties, then
58:35
you can go and do our one. We think about it, the other way
58:38
around, let me become rich. I got time.
58:39
Now, I can be a good person for the community.
58:42
Now, I can donate creative nice, Masjid blah blah.
58:45
A lot doesn't need your money, bro.
58:48
Allahu Allah, honey. He is ultimately Rich doesn't
58:51
need our money. We think we're helping the
58:53
community because I've become wealthy but check yeah quick
58:56
check here 50,000 here. Five million there.
58:58
Bro, he doesn't need your money, he wants your soul.
59:03
So Allah wants to develop your soul, understand your duties,
59:07
and then become rich. But when you become rich,
59:10
understand you have duties on you, when you're poor, you have
59:13
duties on you. Yeah, the same.
59:15
Yeah. Just, could you learn more
59:16
money? It means so duties, learn your
59:19
duties first and then the coverage.
59:21
Humble advice. Thank you.
59:23
Thank you. It's been an eye-opening and my
59:27
mind says, Changed a lot seeing a No-No because, as I said
59:31
earlier, our communities have never ever said it from this
59:36
perspective. So it's been, you know, how to
59:39
make money just to live in this world.
59:40
So it's nice to give us a reminder of the Akash and pray
59:44
for us that we can, we can elaborate on these ideas to the
59:46
people don't get confused. Yeah.
59:48
And if there's ideas that people want to discuss.
59:51
Yeah, as a response to this, our doors open to learn.
59:54
And I hope I hope we've come across the right way and
59:57
Charlotte specially to. You guys home watching because
1:00:00
obviously our goal is just analyze things that people
1:00:02
talking about today. You know, for example, the whole
1:00:06
Andrew take situation, we're not afraid to where he is mentally
1:00:11
now and where he is in terms of his belief.
1:00:13
But the idea being is that he holds a like a real power and
1:00:18
influence at the moment. And of course, we need to
1:00:20
understand that the effect of social media and of course of
1:00:22
money. These are things which affect us
1:00:24
in our day-to-day life. And I know we talked about we
1:00:28
talked about Masculinity in men and so on.
1:00:30
But as men, a big pressure, we have is money.
1:00:33
The expectation. We have to earn money and with
1:00:35
the cost of living crisis, that expectation, that pressure is
1:00:37
putting more pressure on us. Just what I mean, and there'll
1:00:40
be a lot of people at home, men and women, to be honest, who
1:00:43
will feel that pressure. So, I feel this, I thought, you
1:00:46
know, really grateful to you share for enlightening us, and
1:00:49
for being a part of this conversation.
1:00:51
And I strongly, we both strongly encourage everyone at home to
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check out shop for us. Work is boring.
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Books is Publications is lectures.
1:01:00
Is multiple series MacArthur us. All of these different things
1:01:04
which the chef has been doing. And yeah, hope to have you on
1:01:08
again, Charles on my own. Thank you very much.
1:01:10
Charlotte. Chef give you some.
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You're doing Sharla. Yeah.
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