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How Evangelicalism Destroyed Men | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 24 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  Howdy, and welcome to the Mark Driscoll show.
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  Guys. We have a show for you today.
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  We are joined by Pastor Josh McPherson and Adam James,
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  special guests with a big announcement at the end.
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  We're going to get into everything from the woke Veggie
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  Tales to should you leave Washington State and all kinds
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  of stuff about woke pastors. And it is a good time today.
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  So you don't want to miss out on any segment TuneIn all the way
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  to the end. There's some great things in
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  show for you today. Well, thank you, Pastor Josh,
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  for joining us for the Mark Driscoll Show.
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  This is going to be fun. We're up in Washington, so
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  we're. In your office, man.
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  Let's go. Yeah.
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  So you want to you guys want to explain your relationship a
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  little bit and how how you guys met and why you guys talk so
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  much? We do talk a lot.
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  We I met AI, met Mark at a baseball game.
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  He sent me an e-mail through the city, the city piece.
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  Of technology way back. Yeah.
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  Back in like, I don't know, the the 90s.
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  So I, I had a baseball tournament for my son Zach over
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  here in Eastern Washington. And I heard there was a young
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  church planner who was doing a good job.
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  And I was like, what the heck? I'm sitting at the baseball
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  field for a couple of days. If you want to come hang out and
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  ask questions, come hang out. I think I was running 6000.
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  You were running like 100. Yeah, 150, they were 150 and.
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  You he showed up. That's a big difference.
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  Yeah, they don't don't not she showed up with his.
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  Daughter Ella Mae, who's turned out to be one of my most
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  favorite people, I just had breakfast, breakfast for this
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  morning, got a couple hours with her.
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  And so once he brought Ella Mae, I was like.
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  Secret weapon, yeah. Josh is fine.
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  Ella's awesome. Plus one is a real.
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  One, yeah, I'm not an idiot. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So we, I remember getting the
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  baseball game and Mark was like, bring all your questions.
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  And I I remember what struck me about it was at the time, it's
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  like, you know, blowing up, traveling nationally, all the
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  things. It's like, you know, back then
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  he was a big deal, you know, oh, we're going here and now it's
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  just your grandpa. Yeah, no, it's just Uncle Mark.
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  FaceTime with two grandkids in the last 12 hours.
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  I'm living my life. Grandpa Driscoll.
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  And so it, what struck me is like, my gosh, this guy's
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  rocking and rolling. He's he's a big ticket item and
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  he's going to meet with a church planner in a small town who's
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  running 150 and he's like, bring your questions.
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  So I brought, I brought my questions and I brought my
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  secret weapon LMA. And we talked all day.
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  And he like he did more mythological work in that
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  afternoon that I'd done in like the, the three years of our
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  church plant and told me what to think about what to consider,
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  how to identify strongholds, how to build a leadership team.
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  It was awesome. What's the biggest?
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  Like lesson you learned out of that conversation?
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  Be available for young guys. That's cool.
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  So yeah. What he modelled.
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  Yeah, I wasn't even anything he told me specifically.
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  It was like somebody who appeared big time, made time for
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  somebody who wasn't big time. And that was a big deal for me.
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  And it spoke a lot to his heart, his humility.
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  He wasn't just looking for guys that could advance his his
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  thing. He genuinely wanted.
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  You genuinely want to serve pastors, men, husbands,
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  families. And then we went to dinner that
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  night at Los Camparos and he bought the place out of dessert.
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  We were trying to figure out for.
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  Dinner she's like, I don't know, it all looks good so we got.
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  It one of everything. Yeah.
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  You haven't changed at all. Yeah, nothing changed.
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  And they brought out like crates of desserts and it was it was
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  like, my gosh. And.
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  And I think the other thing I learned was just the the the
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  importance of of celebrating and not cutting any corners.
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  And it goes to spoiling kids. And I always tell the story.
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  We went down to my truck and you were, and it's like 10:30 at
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  night in Leavenworth. Have you been to Leavenworth?
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  2000 people, small town. They shut down at 6:00.
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  And it's 1030 and we're in the middle of the town.
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  No, no cars there. And he, he goes, is it like a
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  Toys R Us Open around here? I'm like, no, there's not a
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  Toys-R-Us opener. And it's like, well, give me a
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  minute. And he walks to an ATM, comes
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  back and he hands each of my kids $100 bill.
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  And he says, do not let your dad take this and give it to the
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  church or do some stupid Jesus. Do you think like that this is
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  for you to buy toys for yourself because all kids are special,
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  but pastors kids are very special.
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  And it was Uncle Mark from then on out.
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  And, and the lesson I learned was like, my gosh, take time to
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  invest in young leaders, make sure their kids feel loved and
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  treasured, and you might just end up with a lifelong friend.
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  Yeah, when they were over here. And so they started inviting us
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  over for vacations. And so like, hey, we got we, you
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  know, we got our family and they're like, hey, some friends
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  of ours are going to be gone for a week.
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  They got a house on the lake or the river.
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  They got a boat. And I'm like, well, that sounds
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  fantastic. So we started hanging out over
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  here and then attending Grace City.
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  It became home away from home for us and our kids.
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  Started referring to Josh's uncle Josh in Saint Sharon St.
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  Sharon. And so, yeah, just been a long
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  friendship. I was talking to LMA this
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  morning. Probably about 15 years.
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  Yeah, it's it. It feels longer than that.
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  Yeah. Dog years, Yeah, pastures,
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  living dog years. But yeah, we, we were just
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  looking through pictures. We got tons of pictures of our
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  kids on your knee on a boat, driving the boat.
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  Uncle Mark let them drive the boat.
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  And so it's been a. Well, and you guys staying with
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  us, so they have two kids with spina bifida.
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  So then there were times they're like, we're coming over the
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  mountains. We got an emergency surgery.
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  We got to go to children's hospitals like well, then stay
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  with us. So they would move in and stay
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  with us and we didn't know how long, like sometimes a sometimes
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  a month at a time. It was, it was 31 days at one
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  point and it and it and it was kind.
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  Of like it was Christmas it was. Oh wow, you're.
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  Really going to be best friends or never speak to each other
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  again. And it's like, come on in.
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  Thankfully it worked out to be best friends.
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  But I mean that's I I've shared often, but it's like he was
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  like, hey, you need the Jeep, you got you got the Jeep.
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  You need food, you need a car, you need transportation.
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  You rented a house for us for four months on the hill there at
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  Children's Hospital, was getting in a month with you like 4
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  months. If I rent this guy a house, he
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  won't be. With me, well, four months at
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  that point. We're Mormons doing polygamy,
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  you know, So there is a, there is a 31 day expiration date, you
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  know. Yeah. 30 days it's Christian. 31
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  days, yeah, it's Mormon. It's super gay.
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  Yeah, super gay, but I. Remember that as a church
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  planner, like you don't, you don't have margin.
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  You don't have money. Yeah.
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  And so if you have a medical emergency or something, you
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  don't have money to go rent another house for four months
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  and rent a car for four months. I mean, you don't have.
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  That no. So it was incredible.
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  And and, and yeah, lots of lessons I take away.
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  We could talk about a ton of them, but one of them is just
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  generosity. You know, it's like build an
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  organization of strength. So you're in a position of
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  strength to bless those who aren't yet.
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  And of course, Mark and Grace are ridiculously generous with
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  cars, dogs, food, homes, money, resources.
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  So those are sweet days. They were hard days, but the
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  friendship made it easier. When Sharon had a heart attack,
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  they sat door to the mountains, the box full of toys for our
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  kids, and took our kids out. Sure, and I could have a date.
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  Bought an Xbox and showed up with the kids to distract them
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  so you guys could go process what?
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  They yeah, I'll show up with like Bible, you know, versus no,
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  it's Xbox, our kids first video game.
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  See, the thing that everyone gets wrong is Jesus was so fun
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  that the kids ran to him. Yeah, so Pastor Mark is fun and
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  kids run to it. Totally.
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  Not a Bible thumber where kids. Run away.
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  No, I remember him saying one time you represent the Kingdom,
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  so when kids come and see you, you're the Kingdom man.
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  The Kingdom man should be the funnest man in the room.
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  And the most generous? And the most generous?
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  Yep. So that was a big lesson I
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  learned from Pastor Mark. Yeah.
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  That's good. And then their family, what I
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  learned from them is your dad and mom are awesome.
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  They've been doing ministry and marriage and family ministry for
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  their entire life. And so you and your brother are
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  next generation and then your kids and then your, your, your
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  brother's kids are, are next generation.
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  So there's three generations of family doing really healthy
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  ministry. You guys love each other, you
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  get along well, they're differentiated, but the
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  relationships are really healthy.
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  And so it was a great glimpse into a multi generational,
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  really healthy family system. Yeah, well, it's fun.
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  As we've talked about a lot, you're you're 10, almost exactly
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  10 years older than me. So almost like a like an older
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  brother. So not a father figure like
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  older brother and spiritual father, but in age older
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  brother. And so you're out.
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  You you've always just been around the corner from me in the
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  season of life. I don't have an older brother.
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  I'm the oldest. And so it's been fun.
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  I get pictures of of every season of life that you're in
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  and it's always followed up with this is what you're.
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  Here's what's coming. Here's.
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  What's coming, look forward to it.
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  This is all it's going to be awesome.
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  And you know, when you guys, you and Ashley got married, it's
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  pictures of that process and going through the courtship
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  process and the marriage process were there for the wedding and
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  now my sons got married and now you're you guys have grandkids.
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  I like 5 or 6 more coming. 5 little girl be here any day.
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  Yeah, Sadie's on the way. Can't wait to meet.
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  Her so number six every week I get 15 pictures and here's your
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  future. And so it's been fun to have an
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  older brother around the corner going here's what's coming.
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  It's awesome. Keep your eye on the ball.
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  Ministry comes and goes, family stays my family, what my family
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  offered was because of generationally, we were a season
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  ahead of where Mark's at 1st, 1st generation Christian.
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  Obviously your parents have come to faith in Christ now, but
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  didn't start that way. And so this is what my Mark is
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  what I'm going to be in 10 years.
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  My dad is what Mark wants to be in in in 20 years.
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  So it's kind of fun how their families have layered together
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  that way. And Sharon said last night,
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  sacred assembly, she said, because we, we, for those
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  watching Pastor Mark here, preached our sacred assembly
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  last night and we have like worship and prayer afterwards
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  and like the line to mom and dad's always like stacked and
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  Mark. Everybody wants his parents to
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  pray for. Yeah, whatever they got, it
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  would just if I get a little that on me, that'd be great.
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  And Sharon said Mark was like kept waiting to like, I want, I
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  want Greg came to pray for us. Well, Grace wanted.
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  She's like, we we need him to pray for us.
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  I was like, babe, at some point I got to go eat dinner.
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  Yeah. It was like 930.
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  I'm like, we're we're never going to get prayed for.
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  Yeah. But I so they they didn't get
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  the the Greg blessing. But I'll tell Dad to say
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  something nice to you about to the Lord.
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  That's. Great.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Laura be with Mark today.
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  It'd be great. Now mom and dad love Martin
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  Grayson. What was interesting, my dad
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  heard first, first heard you preach at a Gospel Coalition
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  event in like Chicago 1000 years ago.
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  And you did your nations and state talk and then talked about
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  Reformed in theology, evangelical and mission and is
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  it confident in relationships or spirit and something?
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  Yeah, although those categories that you kind of gave all of his
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  handles for? Some states need a nuke now.
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  You've seen that? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Some states need to go away.
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  Yeah. But for my dad, who's been a
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  spirit and word guy, he'd never heard of someone who's so
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  distinctly word based be so spirit filled and some for my
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  dad, I was like, oh, I like that guy.
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  And that was 15 years ago. 20 years ago maybe.
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  And so there's been a law, a lot of love and gratefulness for
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  Mcpherson's. The dress calls for a long time
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  now, Yeah. Very cool.
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  And one of the things you guys both have as a huge priority at
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  your local churches, both you have online ministries, but a
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  local church and the heart at both is the men's ministry.
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  So and maybe talk about why you guys see men's ministry at
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  church is so important and so important for the senior pastor
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  be involved in. Well, I mean, you're, you're,
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  you're the king of it. I could jump in.
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  I mean, I learned from Pastor Mark 1520 years ago, you win the
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  men, you win the families, you win the families, you win the
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  city when the city win the state.
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  So it starts with a minute, keys up the men.
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  All the stats we all know about I mean, so my like most viewed
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  clips are when I say simple things like if the man comes to
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  church, 90% of time the wife and the kids get saved.
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  The wife come 20% of time people like are you kidding me?
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  I mean if you win the man, you win everything totally.
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  The money, the businesses, the influence, the family, the wife
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  if you don't get to men. I think my conviction has grown
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  over 20 years of ministry. See what happens when you don't
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  get them in if you don't want to, or you.
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  Only get the soft men, the weak men, the the soft woke.
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  Are we calling them men? Well, men adjacent.
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's like Moses with the promised land.
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  I'm I'm not into manhood but I can see it from here.
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  Yeah. Attract.
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  I've heard of it, it looks nice, going to die before I get there.
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  Smells like barbecue and bourbon, but I'm not sure
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  because I've never smelled those things.
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  Good chance. I'll be in the grave before I
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  get there, but in ministry you you see what happens if you
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  don't win them in. You get to go find 10 other men
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  to take their place because when one man doesn't do his job, it's
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  remarkable how much work it takes to replace him as a
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  husband, as a father. Government.
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  The community in the. The number of government
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  agencies that need to come into existence to replace one father
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  is. It's staggering.
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  But then there's nobody to tax to pay for that work.
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  Yeah, because that guy isn't generating rubber.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  So it it's it's for me, the silver bullet.
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  And that doesn't mean we're devaluing or not talking about
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  women too. But like, for me, my calling is
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  to is to step toward the men, to call them to be men.
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  And then if I can do that successfully, it actually
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  changes the focus of my job. Because rather than the focus of
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  my time being doing their job, I get to help equip all of them to
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  do theirs, which I think is what the Bible tells us to do.
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  Were to equip others to do their job, not do their job for them.
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  And pastors get into error a lot.
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  Let's get a youth ministry to help raise the kids.
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  No, but your job is not to raise a kid.
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  Your job is to quit the parents to decide with their kids and
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  then come alongside them as a community of faith to provide a
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  place where their kids can incubate and be discipled and
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  saturated in an environment that's God centered.
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  That's very different than youth group to raise the kids.
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  So my mindset's always been, how do I work within the
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  jurisdictions that God has established in humanity in terms
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  of individual, family, church, government?
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  And then what are the roles that God's given men and women in
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  those jurisdictions, and how can I equip them to fulfill their
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  duty in those jurisdictions and responsibilities?
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  And that's when we begin realigning with the Kingdom of
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  God and see truth, goodness and beauty come together in our
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  communities, I believe. Yeah, and part of it too, is the
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  church historically, since the world wars has been led by and
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  custom architected for women. I mean, it's a it's a historical
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  problem. I mean, if you, if you read the
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  New Testament, like there's men like Paul, you're looking at
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  strong men, very strong men. You look at the record of the
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  early church, you're looking at incredibly strong, resilient men
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  who overcame hardship. When you look at reformers and,
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  and, and those in the Protestant tradition, you know, guys like
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  John Knox, I mean, he could wield A2 handed sword with one
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  sword. So you'd have a one handed sword
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  and A2 handed sword was so big you dude could wield it with one
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  hand. I mean, so he's a dude.
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  He would pound the pulpit and literally fragments of it would
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  go flying into the audience. I mean, he was not man.
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  Yeah, he's that he's like WWE, you know, he's off the top
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  turnbuckle kind of guy. And so so you go from that to in
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  the in the world wars, the the, the majority of young, strong
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  alphas went to war. So now the church is filled with
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  women, children, older men and soft, weak men who didn't go to
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  war. So then the church becomes
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  custom built for women, children and soft weak men.
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  The men come back from combat and they're like, we don't have
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  a brotherhood, we don't have a general, we don't have a
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  mission. That sense of brotherhood and
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  camaraderie is gone. And so they never came back to
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  church. And while they were at war, the
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  women decided MOB was the chosen color for all Baptist churches.
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  Sea foam green was the backup option.
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  The guy leading worship didn't make the cut for the military
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  because he's a little fruity and pretty soft.
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  And so the music is soft. The women and children feel
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  safe. The old guys up front and the
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  men are like, we're never coming back.
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  So since the first and Second World War, which is really the
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  dawn and the rise of evangelicalism is within that
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  era, it has been largely female driven.
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  And so you, you know, Christian radio is safe, positive,
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  uplifting for the whole family, which is like, OK, well, then
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  there's whole sections of the New Testament we can't even read
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  is the verse of the day. That's crazy, you know?
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  We've talked about buying radio station.
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  Yeah, like we can't read Eglon Eha, the, you know, guys that
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  got stabbed and their entrails fell out and Tamar and, you
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  know, we can't really tell the story of Esther, you know?
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  Basically, like Matthew left, you can't, yeah, can't get in
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  any of it. So all of a sudden it becomes
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  this sort of sanitized suburban Karen housewife.
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  Yeah, you know. Can you imagine Version of the
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  day? Hey, verse of the day.
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  And David carried around 10,000 foreskins in his bag and now
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  that's a new song. Actually wants to RIP it off and
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  do it with Mark. Yeah, and the.
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  Discouraging verse of the day, yeah.
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  Yeah, Judas hung himself and his intestines spilled out.
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  God bless you. Now praying for your mother.
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  You know, I mean, it's just, I mean, if you just because I, you
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  grew up in the church, I didn't. So I, I was Jack marginal
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  Catholic. So I grew up and I got saved
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  reading the Bible. So I came to the to the Bible
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  without this veneer of, you know, church upbringing.
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  And I'm like, this is a wild book.
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  And there's some crazy stories and there's some people that
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  there's no way they would get hired at any Christian
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  organization. Like nobody would hire Samson to
• 17:28
  work at a Christian School. Nobody.
• 17:31
  Nobody. No, no, the teachers won't be
• 17:34
  safe. The men would be dead.
• 17:37
  The women wouldn't be pregnant. You're right.
• 17:40
  Yeah. And at the end of the year, the
• 17:42
  the building gets tore down. Total disaster.
• 17:45
  Yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, this is a
• 17:48
  lot more wild than than than the expression of faith that that
• 17:53
  manifests out of. It it's interesting you're
• 17:54
  talking about that because you were always known as like the
• 17:56
  edgy pastor who's pushing the edge, you know, and, and.
• 17:59
  I didn't know there was an edge. What's this edge you speak of?
• 18:03
  Yeah, but there's that. But then it's it's thinking
• 18:05
  about it. You're you, you were actually
• 18:08
  just teaching verse by verse to the Bible.
• 18:10
  That's what you actually been. Doing preached 30 years, 40
• 18:12
  books to the Bible. Yeah, and so teach wild that
• 18:16
  teaching verse by verse through 30 books, or how many say 40
• 18:20
  books to the Bible. Makes you radical.
• 18:22
  Makes you edgy because that that mauve seafoam green
• 18:27
  evangelicalism hadn't heard all those verses and so they thought
• 18:30
  you were being edgy in crass and what?
• 18:32
  And and trying to get yeah, click bait, whatever.
• 18:35
  You're like. No, I'm like, I'm preaching
• 18:37
  verse by verse, through Nehemiah, through Ezra, through
• 18:39
  song. Go through Genesis.
• 18:40
  Through Genesis. Through Exodus.
• 18:42
  Noah's naked in his tent and his son is walking in and we're not
• 18:46
  sure what happened but we know it was enough to curse the
• 18:48
  grandson. So it wasn't good, you know.
• 18:53
  And you're, you're like, where where was the veg veggie tail
• 18:56
  for that? Where was the veggie tail for
• 18:58
  that? Veggie, we won't go there, but
• 18:59
  the veggie tail guy ended up going Fruit Loops.
• 19:02
  No, no. I.
• 19:03
  Didn't know that. Oh my gosh.
• 19:06
  I don't know things. I know.
• 19:07
  What, what? What?
• 19:08
  When you spill the tea? Well, this isn't like what
• 19:11
  people you always say you're online.
• 19:12
  People think he's just saying that he's literally not online.
• 19:14
  He hasn't been on social. Media for years.
• 19:16
  I'm like, hey bro, we have a new president.
• 19:21
  Great. Is he for us or against?
• 19:23
  Us aren't things getting better or worse out there?
• 19:26
  And and so he's literally not online.
• 19:28
  And so like I, I, I've even sent you some things and then I'm
• 19:31
  like, oh, do you want to know about this?
• 19:32
  And you're like, no, bro, I'm like, oh, Philip Ansi, you're
• 19:35
  like, I don't even want to know about this, but yeah, dude, the
• 19:39
  the guy that what's his guy? The the vegetal guy name Phil
• 19:43
  Fisher. Phil Fisher, right.
• 19:46
  You haven't been falling Phil Fisher.
• 19:47
  That guy's like, off. What is the?
• 19:49
  Reservation. Is he tranny?
• 19:51
  Is he? I think so you.
• 19:54
  See Gay. Is he universalistic?
• 19:56
  What is the loops? Is he a?
• 19:57
  Lesbyterian like what team did he join?
• 20:00
  Those are a lot of boxes to check.
• 20:01
  I think he's trying to check a bunch of them.
• 20:03
  He's like hardcore crazy woke, like DEI, like Trump's the spawn
• 20:08
  of Satan. I mean, like, you know, Russell
• 20:10
  Moore is like the second coming of Jesus.
• 20:13
  I think they're even like a Bible say together.
• 20:15
  I mean, like, it's wild, bro, what he's promoting, what he's
• 20:19
  pushing videos. He'd he's even done some like
• 20:21
  response videos to me, I think where he's just like this guy is
• 20:24
  like what's everything that's wrong with Christianity,
• 20:26
  Christian nationalism, blah, blah, blah.
• 20:27
  It's it's wild. We should pull up a video and
• 20:30
  just play it right now. Yeah, I mean it's.
• 20:32
  I mean, not, not to like, well, this guy's probably earned it,
• 20:34
  but the point being, how do we get here?
• 20:37
  Oh, Veggie Tales. Yeah.
• 20:37
  Veggie Tales. Well, and and the self culture
• 20:39
  and evangelicalism, yeah, it's just strange and it always goes
• 20:43
  South and to the left. It always goes soft.
• 20:45
  Yeah. I feel like it's, it's, it's
• 20:47
  like, and again, I'm not trying to knock Veggie Tales in terms
• 20:49
  of what it was in the day, in terms of getting kids interested
• 20:51
  in the Bible. And vegetables, I mean.
• 20:56
  Guys giving vegetables a bad name.
• 20:59
  Now the dude is he's trashing vegetables You.
• 21:05
  Know what I mean? Oh man, that's so funny.
• 21:07
  But yeah, you were reviewed by preaching verse 5 verse to the
• 21:10
  Bible. That's why I've had crazy
• 21:12
  conversations with pastors and steers where we want to go land
• 21:14
  and your show, not mine, but I have a ton of pastors call them
• 21:18
  and they're like, they're like, hey, you're crushing church.
• 21:20
  It's going great. We're growing.
• 21:22
  We just don't know how to how to get the men here and I'm like,
• 21:24
  well, back up like you then you're not crushing church.
• 21:27
  Then you know, just gathering a bunch of people for an event on
• 21:31
  a weekend doesn't necessarily mean you're crushing church.
• 21:33
  You have a killer women's conference.
• 21:37
  It means 52 weeks a year. Totally.
• 21:39
  And I've literally had passion say to me like, I'm comfortable
• 21:41
  talking to women. I don't know how to talk to men.
• 21:44
  And so part of the crisis is we just don't have men in ministry
• 21:48
  who are men. And we've talked about the fact
• 21:50
  that like I think the next wave of pastures that I'm seeing
• 21:53
  coming. My, my whole I just want to
• 21:54
  apologize for my whole generation of pastors.
• 21:57
  Yeah, they are on a good day worthless.
• 22:04
  I mean, they're, they're weak, they're soft woke.
• 22:06
  They try to play the third way and you know, Democrat,
• 22:10
  Republican, liberal, conservative straddle the fence,
• 22:13
  which is only a good way to chafe your crotch.
• 22:15
  I mean, they, they don't do conflict.
• 22:18
  They virtue signal. They're they're soft.
• 22:20
  They're soft woke most of my generation like and they're not.
• 22:24
  And the older guys aren't finishing well.
• 22:27
  No, we put together a list of guys like.
• 22:29
  I'm in my 70s. It's it's it's time to starting
• 22:33
  to take my pants off. It's like really like you're,
• 22:38
  you're in the two-minute drill of your life.
• 22:41
  And now? That's the play you.
• 22:42
  Call yeah. And I was like I'm anti
• 22:45
  underwear from this point forward.
• 22:46
  Like really this is it. This is the go forward plan.
• 22:49
  It's it's bizarre. We made a list of guys that that
• 22:51
  that not just like have drifted, but if like crashed.
• 22:54
  It's a long list of guys that were the go to guys, yeah, 15
• 22:58
  years or 15 years ago. Those of them it it's, it's it's
• 23:01
  wild. And when we talked about, when
• 23:04
  we talked about like the positive, neutral, negative
• 23:06
  worlds, the Aaron Wren kind of the, the, the, the categories he
• 23:10
  gave there, he talked about like the strategy and positive world,
• 23:13
  the strategy and neutral world, the strategy and mythology in,
• 23:16
  in negative world. And the longer my team and I
• 23:18
  looked at Adam and I were even kicking around, I, I would, I
• 23:22
  would not fuss at it because Aaron's a good friend.
• 23:24
  He's very intelligent, good guy. But I, I think I would reframe
• 23:27
  some of it. It's not just that they were
• 23:28
  different mythological strategies for different areas
• 23:30
  in the church. I think in part what got us into
• 23:33
  negative world was the mythological strategies of
• 23:37
  neutral and positive world. 100%.
• 23:39
  And so because right now, I believe the the play is
• 23:42
  Apostolic boldness, that's where we need to be.
• 23:45
  And as I've thought about like, that's kind of always the play.
• 23:47
  That's like the whole book of Acts be Apostolic.
• 23:50
  All the good guys in the New Testament got killed by the
• 23:52
  government. Every one of them and so this
• 23:54
  whole like you talk your generation that's like, hey,
• 23:56
  let's go neutral world, let's go Switzerland, let's go let's not
• 24:00
  engage in politics. To be faithful to Jesus is to
• 24:03
  ignore a massive section of society that Jesus actually
• 24:08
  talks a lot about, was regularly engaging, and his church and
• 24:12
  Kingdom actually ended up turning upside down.
• 24:14
  And so it's just wild to think that to be faithful to Jesus
• 24:17
  means we never talk about politics or the public square.
• 24:20
  And so we seated that ground to the enemy and it's currently
• 24:23
  kicking our butt. And so one of my hearts, I know
• 24:25
  Adam here too might be on the show later is to step back into
• 24:28
  the public square in a way that's admirable, bold,
• 24:32
  courageous, truth telling, truth loving like the pastors that are
• 24:36
  our forefathers of our nation. It was the preaching of George
• 24:40
  Whitfield. I don't care how much JD Greer
• 24:42
  runs him down in his book. Literally JD Greer can do this
• 24:45
  thing to show edit off if you. Could do it every.
• 24:47
  Week JD Greer in his book literally is like George
• 24:48
  Whitfield bad Martin Luther King junior good the guy that
• 24:53
  preached the gospel faithfully started orphans in the schools
• 24:56
  up and down the colonials. Provider King Junior Just yes,
• 25:00
  we're we're against slavery before civil rights, but
• 25:03
  theologically he's not a Christian.
• 25:05
  No. And morally.
• 25:07
  No, no, no. So, so when all of the all of
• 25:11
  when when POTUS got into office and and decommissioned,
• 25:14
  declassified a bunch of these, a bunch of these.
• 25:16
  So bro, the things that that that the FBI was tracking him
• 25:19
  doing, Yeah. It's worse than Diddy parties.
• 25:21
  Bro gay prostitutes rapes recording recordings of him
• 25:26
  coaching young black men through how to rape a girl real time in
• 25:30
  their hotel rooms. It, it, it, it's staggering.
• 25:32
  Well, and and his theological conviction, I mean universalism,
• 25:37
  he is not a guy who believes in the Jesus that we believe.
• 25:41
  In, that's exactly. Right.
• 25:42
  Or the Christian conviction that we hold dear.
• 25:44
  And so that, yeah, he's a he's a pastor.
• 25:45
  It's like, well, so was Judas. That's right.
• 25:48
  That that you know, we need more than that to put you on the
• 25:51
  team. Yeah, and it's like if you're a
• 25:52
  white guy and you and you say true things about a black guy,
• 25:55
  you're all of a sudden racist. Like no, like like we actually
• 25:57
  consider men to stand on their own character, literally taking
• 26:00
  him at his. If a guy denied the gospel and
• 26:03
  was a sexual pervert and white, I would say he's not a faithful
• 26:07
  Christian, especially a pastor. Yeah, he playing field for all
• 26:11
  men to be judged by their. Character let's let's go with
• 26:14
  his own words. That's right, by the content of
• 26:16
  character. That's right.
• 26:17
  Not the color of their skin. Yeah.
• 26:19
  I'll just play him at his own words.
• 26:21
  I've actually met his, I think it's his niece.
• 26:25
  She's a sweet gal. One of the only King family
• 26:29
  members left who's pro-life. She just loves Jesus.
• 26:33
  Very, very sweet and willing to be honest about her uncle's.
• 26:38
  The legacy of, of his, of his political activism.
• 26:40
  That's that. That was helpful in some ways,
• 26:42
  unhelpful in others. And then in reality of who he
• 26:44
  was as a person. It's like this.
• 26:46
  Wow. The point being, JD Greer's
• 26:48
  like, be like Martin Luther King Junior.
• 26:49
  I'm like, I don't think so. And like running down George
• 26:52
  Whitfield as a racist. It's like, dude, my gosh, George
• 26:55
  Whitfield's preaching brought about the Second Great
• 26:58
  Awakening. That was the atmosphere that the
• 27:00
  founders were saturated in and birthed our nation out of.
• 27:04
  It was the faithful preaching of the gospel that created the
• 27:07
  atmosphere through which, hey, liberty, life, private property,
• 27:13
  ownership, the value of human beings as made in the image of
• 27:16
  God with intrinsic dignity, worth, and value.
• 27:18
  That's all Bible stuff. That's all stuff that came about
• 27:21
  because a guy was willing to preach faithfully.
• 27:23
  The gospel up and down the West Coast still holds the record for
• 27:26
  the longest horseback trip in history, recorded history.
• 27:29
  That's that's George Whitfield. Where are those dudes who are
• 27:32
  just wearing themselves out? Meanwhile, you're in your study,
• 27:36
  you know, writing a book that you'll get a six figure advance
• 27:39
  for talking trash about him. Yeah, it's.
• 27:42
  Meanwhile, he's on a horse yelling himself to the point
• 27:45
  where he's coughing up blood to lead people to Christ.
• 27:48
  Yeah, dies at I mean he died early because you just life was
• 27:51
  spent So like if we've talked about I think this new
• 27:54
  generation of pastors that I'm seeing come up like 30 to 4045,
• 27:59
  they're differentiated home school, their kids unplug from
• 28:01
  the government to state matrix schooling system and.
• 28:04
  They've been through COVID and BLM and.
• 28:06
  Elections, COVID, they're not connected to a denomination.
• 28:10
  They're winning dudes. They're running 345610 thousand.
• 28:13
  They're not cessationists, they love the Holy Spirit.
• 28:15
  They love the Holy Spirit. They're not online because they
• 28:18
  don't have time to be online. They're building stuff in real
• 28:21
  life. And so it, it feels like there
• 28:24
  is this army of really good, faithful young dudes coming up
• 28:27
  that nobody knows about because they're not on X all day, but
• 28:31
  they're out there and they're doing good things.
• 28:34
  And, and they're engaging in what I believe is faithfulness
• 28:39
  theology, preaching the gospel courageously, being the
• 28:42
  conscience of the government with the word of God.
• 28:45
  Because if if the church stops heralding the truth and speaking
• 28:49
  to the government, as in from a position over the government
• 28:52
  because God is over government, then the government loses its
• 28:54
  conscience and does stupid things like my state's doing
• 28:56
  right now, which is basically. Murder children, punish
• 29:00
  families, tax businesses, seize property and encourage
• 29:06
  lawlessness, and at every level, oppose law enforcement and call
• 29:10
  it all justice. End call.
• 29:14
  It's insane. It's insane.
• 29:15
  So I, I, I believe there's a, a season coming.
• 29:19
  I'm praying this in, in, in the, in the American experiment where
• 29:24
  the I've told us to land in the Black Rd. regiment rising again.
• 29:27
  I'm tempted to start a podcast called The Black Robe Regiment.
• 29:30
  Other podcasts. I love it.
• 29:31
  Yeah, and, and people are like, I haven't had a chance to, to,
• 29:34
  to mention it to some folks in the White House and, and a lot
• 29:37
  of them like Black Rd. Regiment.
• 29:38
  I'm like the Black Robe regiment and they're like, what's that?
• 29:42
  I'm like, Oh my gosh. Explain it for that person that
• 29:44
  has no idea. Well, it's, it's a you're,
• 29:46
  you're, you're, you're, you're, you're months and months and
• 29:48
  months into into the Revolution, American Revolutionary War.
• 29:51
  We call it the, I like to call it the war for independence
• 29:53
  because revolutions come and go. War for independence was a shift
• 29:56
  in, in ideology, war for independence.
• 29:59
  And it's like we're losing not good Britain, British sending
• 30:03
  over massive ships, supply soldiers.
• 30:06
  We got guys running, you know, single shot muskets, very little
• 30:09
  powder. Their farms are being taken
• 30:11
  over. It's it's, it's guerrilla
• 30:12
  warfare. And on June 19th, George
• 30:18
  Washington is sworn in as as a Commission general for the
• 30:21
  Continental U.S. Army.
• 30:22
  He's got 15,000 men under, under his his rule, under his
• 30:26
  leadership. And they're going to try to save
• 30:28
  the colonies. Well, it it's not looking good.
• 30:31
  I mean, we're down to like 1000 soldiers there.
• 30:33
  They're at which is Wild Valley Ford.
• 30:36
  Yeah. It's, it's if they don't spy the
• 30:38
  winter, it's over. And there was a lot of
• 30:42
  Presbyterian churches at the time.
• 30:43
  And a Presbyterian pastor stood in his pulpit in a very, very
• 30:48
  famous sermon, said, I will not stand in this pulpit and preach
• 30:52
  about liberty and preach about justice and preach about freedom
• 30:56
  and then send young men to die for that which I proclaim is
• 30:59
  true. And he said the time for
• 31:02
  preaching has ended. The time for action has come.
• 31:05
  He takes off his black Presbyterian preacher's robe,
• 31:08
  reveals revolutionary colonial army uniform, marches out the
• 31:14
  center of how they never see him again.
• 31:15
  He wouldn't die fighting for freedom.
• 31:17
  And not to overstate the contribution, but it history, I
• 31:20
  think is very, very clear in terms of the significant
• 31:23
  contribution that a bunch of these pastors made so cool
• 31:26
  because they were good at gathering people, comforting
• 31:29
  pastor and leading people and they knew how to think
• 31:31
  strategically. And so the, the, the, the
• 31:34
  British gave them a name, the Black Robe Regiment, kind of as
• 31:38
  like, as like a derogatory term. They took it as a badge of
• 31:41
  honor. And it wasn't in small part to
• 31:43
  the pastors actually taking up arms, going to war and killing
• 31:46
  British soldiers in war that contributed to leading to the
• 31:51
  freedom that our nation was birthed under.
• 31:53
  And so Black Robe Regiment pastors are not only willing to
• 31:56
  talk, but act for the sake of what they say they believe.
• 31:59
  Would you trust any? Most pastors in war with you
• 32:03
  that you know like not not your. Group in physical war?
• 32:06
  Yeah no, but I don't want to get my rear blown off and some guy
• 32:12
  dropped a green. The average?
• 32:13
  Pastor could not go to war and be successful.
• 32:15
  Yeah, I mean if the. Average pastor could not go to
• 32:17
  nerf war and be successful. Yeah, it's just.
• 32:21
  That's where I think the better leaders, we're saying they're
• 32:24
  coming out of the military. And law enforcement.
• 32:26
  They're coming out of law enforcement.
• 32:27
  They understand chain of command.
• 32:29
  They understand conflict. They understand pain tolerance.
• 32:32
  Yeah, and. Well, and they don't they're not
• 32:34
  intimidated by online mobs. I mean, so like we planted John
• 32:37
  level in Rome, GA Grace City, Rome, he.
• 32:39
  Could give a crap. Yeah, I mean, it's like I was
• 32:42
  talking with, we just hired Brent Frank.
• 32:44
  He's principal at Garden City Academy, and he's helping us
• 32:47
  here at the church as well. Help build strong imagination.
• 32:49
  Help me build that man card 2.0 helps me lead man card for our
• 32:52
  boys. Write a patch of stuff you, you
• 32:53
  know, all about. And like, this is a guy who's
• 32:55
  like sat in a pastor's meeting with me a week ago and said,
• 32:59
  I've held a woman as she bled to death and took her last breath
• 33:03
  in my arms with a knife sticking out of her neck.
• 33:06
  I've haunted the man who put that knife there with her blood
• 33:09
  on me in the dead of night. I've put my fingers in the holes
• 33:13
  of men that I put there. And I'm telling you tonight,
• 33:16
  I've never sat with a greater group of leaders than the
• 33:19
  pastors in this room. And like, that's the kind of
• 33:22
  pastor in mind building that like warriors who've actually
• 33:25
  been shot at could sit around a room of passage and go, OK, no,
• 33:28
  this is mission. These are dudes, This is
• 33:31
  leadership, this is manhood. And when you've been shot at
• 33:34
  literally, I mean, Brent Frank chasing a drug drug, a drug
• 33:38
  kingpin around the corner, comes around the corner, got
• 33:42
  overzealous first year cop runs on the corner, gun in his face,
• 33:45
  revolver double action pulls a trigger click, hits on an empty
• 33:51
  on an empty chamber. It's like when you when you've
• 33:54
  had that happen. Yeah, an e-mail isn't going to
• 33:57
  take you down. Julie Roy's blogging about you
• 33:59
  doesn't really bother you. And definitionally, that's what
• 34:02
  a shepherd is like. We talk about this a lot.
• 34:04
  A shepherd's a lot more like a cowboy than it is.
• 34:06
  This this this cute picture of the.
• 34:08
  Lamb. That's right, a shepherd.
• 34:10
  Defended the flock, Yeah. From lions, bears, wolves and
• 34:14
  they knew how to fight. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:16
  So guys have been trained tactically.
• 34:18
  I think it's actually easier to go from the tactical world to
• 34:20
  the theological world than vice versa.
• 34:22
  Yeah. So Brent's been on board here
• 34:25
  for a year or two. He's been growing as a Christian
• 34:28
  for many, many years. And so he has that as his
• 34:29
  foundation. But his professional training is
• 34:32
  tactician, strategy, war. Well, he can make the shift
• 34:36
  easy. Then to the theology side.
• 34:38
  It can be tough to take a guy from a seminary and help him
• 34:40
  think tactically and strategically.
• 34:42
  A seminary. A seminary is a intensely safe
• 34:46
  environment, Yes. It's like a college campus.
• 34:49
  Somebody else pays the bills, somebody else cuts the grass,
• 34:52
  somebody else runs the security and the professors just show up
• 34:55
  and teach in the womb of a very coddled environment.
• 34:59
  And so you can be a very safe man.
• 35:01
  Once you head out and you're leading, you're like, we need to
• 35:04
  get property, we need to buy it, we need to generate revenue, we
• 35:07
  need to manage employees, we need to have a security plan, We
• 35:10
  need to secure our environment. I mean, you're, you're dealing
• 35:13
  now with the reality of leadership.
• 35:15
  When in hostile environment, and you taught me this, it it's hard
• 35:19
  to build things, easy to tear them down.
• 35:21
  So it took how many years to build the twin towers, how many
• 35:23
  minutes to bring them down. And so if you're going to build
• 35:26
  anything of of substance and significance, you have to also
• 35:29
  be prepared to defend it. So it's the sword and trial of
• 35:31
  Nehemiah 4. And So what we found is we
• 35:34
  thought what we built people with love because we're here to
• 35:37
  bless men and, and bless women and bless children and
• 35:39
  strengthen the family and help men build businesses and help
• 35:42
  women thrive and flourish and help dudes that are absent.
• 35:45
  Show up and help dudes, you know, rebuke dudes who are
• 35:48
  heavy-handed to repent and submit the spiritual authority
• 35:50
  and help, you know, all the things, right?
• 35:52
  And then you realize there is a there is a demonic force that
• 35:56
  hates what we're doing and it's going to wield assets in the
• 35:59
  physical realm to attack us. And so all of a sudden, what
• 36:02
  you've built to bless other people, you have to now defend.
• 36:06
  And if you're not willing to defend it, you're going to lose
• 36:07
  it. And so I told church all the
• 36:09
  time, governance is more important than theology.
• 36:12
  Yeah. Because if you don't have good
• 36:14
  governments that's built to fight and defend and do battle,
• 36:16
  you'll lose your theology. It'll it it you will it will
• 36:20
  get. Changed entire denominations are
• 36:23
  complete case studies in that very rarely, I mean very rarely
• 36:28
  does a denomination that is liberal become conservative.
• 36:32
  That's right. But every time a conservative
• 36:34
  denomination becomes liberal, yeah.
• 36:37
  I think you you talked about the Veggie Tales guys earlier and I
• 36:39
  had the guys pull a clip that I think will, will, will prove
• 36:43
  your guys's point very clearly on how liberalism just creeps
• 36:46
  in. Yep.
• 36:48
  Just the idea, the number of people who who are saying he was
• 36:51
  killed for his faith. He was killed because he was a
• 36:55
  Christian, you know, and I just, I don't know what world, I don't
• 37:00
  know how you come to that conclusion when that's not
• 37:02
  primarily what he was known for. It's not his.
• 37:05
  You know, he had some debates that involved Christianity, but
• 37:10
  the majority of his debates were about hot button social issues.
• 37:13
  But Phil. Don't you think part of the way
• 37:15
  people who are huge fans of Charlie Kirk interpreted him is
• 37:18
  all those other issues that he was an outspoken advocate for?
• 37:22
  Our view of Christianity. They would argue he held those
• 37:24
  views because. He was a Christian.
• 37:27
  But you know, some of his views like that black men are wildly
• 37:30
  violent, you know, and and much more violent than white men.
• 37:35
  Is is that a Christian view? Is that a that is?
• 37:37
  Doesn't seem to be seems to be Bible, not even adjacent.
• 37:42
  Yeah, just total clown. It I I knew Charlie, he was my
• 37:46
  friend. Yeah.
• 37:47
  And so he would call me on the Bible stuff.
• 37:49
  And I'm going to overstate that. I was his best friend.
• 37:51
  But like, we texted, we get together, he'd give me stuff to
• 37:55
  be brain for. He tagged me in when he had
• 37:57
  needs on theological stuff. He is a profoundly genuine, deep
• 38:03
  Christian. That's right.
• 38:04
  Profoundly that's right. And you know, for him, the top
• 38:09
  of the funnel was dealing with political and social issues.
• 38:13
  But the goal then is to always take the issues that people have
• 38:16
  interest in and to pull them into the issues that really
• 38:19
  matter. That's right.
• 38:20
  Which are matters of faith and Bible and Jesus and
• 38:23
  Christianity. And Charlie did that all.
• 38:28
  He was explicit. He was overt about it, and this
• 38:32
  was remarkably evident at his funeral.
• 38:35
  And we were all there sitting, you know, right in front of the
• 38:38
  stage. Everybody got up and they're
• 38:40
  like, well, I guess we're going to talk about Charlie.
• 38:42
  We got to talk about Jesus because Charlie only talked
• 38:44
  about Jesus. And I'm after a couple hours,
• 38:46
  I'm like. Pretty obvious.
• 38:48
  Pretty obvious he was talking and he's talking RFK about
• 38:51
  Jesus, he's talking about Higgs war.
• 38:54
  Yeah, he's like everybody's like, yeah, when I talked to
• 38:56
  Charlie about Jesus, I'm like, okay, I mean, he was a.
• 38:59
  Well, there were people that you know, that were spirit filled
• 39:02
  men and it was obvious and they were talking and they identified
• 39:05
  with Charlie. And then there are people there
• 39:06
  who weren't followers of Jesus, and they still to talk about
• 39:09
  Jesus. They still tried.
• 39:10
  Because that's all Charlie talked about.
• 39:12
  Yeah, they're like, well, I know Charlie will talk a lot about
• 39:14
  Jesus, and I don't know a lot about him, but I'll talk about
• 39:16
  him, you know? Great.
• 39:18
  Thanks for trying. I mean, like what it's like live
• 39:21
  a kind of life so that when you die, the only thing that people
• 39:24
  talk about is what you talked about.
• 39:26
  And he was explicit in his own words.
• 39:28
  He's like, look, I talk politics because it affects people.
• 39:30
  It affects policies. Sure, I'm passionate about it
• 39:33
  and I love people. He's like, but at the end of the
• 39:35
  day, I mean, how many hundreds of videos are on the of him
• 39:38
  saying, at the end of the day, it's about Jesus.
• 39:40
  It's about a biblical worldview that builds beauty and strength
• 39:44
  and wonder around us. He was so explicitly Christian.
• 39:47
  They sit there and pop off. And when he got shot, he was
• 39:49
  talking about Christianity. Literally.
• 39:51
  Literally. Yeah, it's wild that that that's
• 39:55
  the Veggie Tales guys. Well, see, that's that's largely
• 39:58
  where evangelicalism is. It's a smarmy, judgmental virtue
• 40:03
  signalling from people who do not do a lot.
• 40:08
  And at some point they did and continue to ride that as if
• 40:12
  anyone cared. And that's most of the pastors
• 40:16
  in my generation. Yeah.
• 40:18
  The, the encouraging thing we've talked about this is, is I am
• 40:21
  meeting and hearing in, in connecting with a ton and I told
• 40:24
  you this, I, I got to get you connect these guys, bro, they're
• 40:26
  I. Don't know any of these people.
• 40:28
  You know they. Are out there.
• 40:30
  I I am in the woods with deer and grandchildren.
• 40:34
  That's what I'm doing. That's your life.
• 40:36
  It is literally his life. Yeah, I sit by the fire with the
• 40:38
  deer and I hang out the yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing. 50
• 40:40
  million people reached a week online and you're in the studio
• 40:43
  for an hour. Yeah, Landon's very busy guy.
• 40:48
  They're very efficient. But to me, at the end of the
• 40:50
  day, it's like if you, part of it is I guess is if you live
• 40:54
  online and you listen it, then you're responding to them, not
• 40:58
  to him. That's right.
• 41:00
  And so if you're going to maintain any set of sort of
• 41:03
  prophetic edge, it's like I, I, I listen to him and then I speak
• 41:08
  and then you respond to me. And if I respond to you, I'm no
• 41:11
  longer listening to him. I'm listening to you.
• 41:14
  And at that point, that's. Write that down.
• 41:17
  That was good. At that point, you're an
• 41:19
  unfaithful servant, and that's how you become a hireling,
• 41:23
  because at that point you start deciding, if I message it this
• 41:27
  way, I get this audience, I get this market share, I get this
• 41:30
  book deal, I get the speaking engagement, I get this sort of
• 41:34
  compensation, and then you're a hireling.
• 41:39
  That's right. But at that point, you're the
• 41:40
  worst of the of politicians. You're you're political, not
• 41:43
  prophetic. Well, at that, at that point,
• 41:46
  the Bible will call you a whore because you're just for sale and
• 41:51
  you'll you'll lay on your back to pay your mortgage.
• 41:55
  And there's a lot of guys that do that.
• 41:57
  Yeah, Yep. Yep, Joshua's home school.
• 42:03
  Just remember. And I've seen it with guys I've
• 42:06
  seen. Encouraging, say, for the whole
• 42:08
  family. Why do people think he's
• 42:09
  controversial? I don't know.
• 42:11
  But I've seen guys that start as pastors and Bible teachers and
• 42:13
  then they get a platform and then they, they start worrying
• 42:16
  about maintaining their platform and market share and then their
• 42:19
  message changes and they're defying the entire reason that
• 42:24
  they got a platform in the 1st place.
• 42:26
  And to me that's deceptive because at that point, the
• 42:29
  people that started following me, they followed you because
• 42:32
  you spoke on behalf of the Lord. And once you stop listening to
• 42:35
  the Lord and you started speaking so that you would get
• 42:37
  market share or likability, at that point, you are not only
• 42:41
  dishonouring the Lord, you are an unfaithful servant of those
• 42:44
  people who are listening to you and you're accountable for them.
• 42:47
  And the Bible says not many of you should presume to be
• 42:49
  teachers. You will be judged more
• 42:50
  strictly. And if you don't have a a somber
• 42:53
  fear of God in this yeah, that you, you are in grave danger.
• 42:56
  And those who are following you are in a a dangerous place.
• 42:59
  That's right. No, I think as I, as I listen to
• 43:02
  you talk, one of the things I've always appreciated about you,
• 43:04
  Pastor Mark, is you have, you have a, a felt fear of God in
• 43:12
  your presence. And, and that's been growing in
• 43:16
  me. You know, you know, I was at a
• 43:17
  40 day fast and one of the, the outcomes of that was just in, in
• 43:21
  intensified fear of God where it's just, it's just like as the
• 43:25
  fear of God grows, the fear of man dwindles.
• 43:28
  And, and like I've been online since Christmas and I almost
• 43:30
  can't. And and I've tried and it's not
• 43:33
  to say it's bad if you do, but it's like as as soon as I go
• 43:37
  online, it's just, I just sense internally instant static on the
• 43:41
  line. In turn, in terms of now you can
• 43:43
  be online and listen and but. If it's about you, there's no
• 43:46
  way to not allow that to get on you, and it's hard to not let it
• 43:51
  get in you. That's right.
• 43:52
  And if it's, you know, they're talking trash about the
• 43:54
  designated hitter for the Boston Red Sox.
• 43:57
  I'm probably not wearing that right if it's about me and my
• 44:00
  wife, far more likely. Yeah, that's exactly.
• 44:03
  Right. And so for those who are
• 44:04
  consuming content, it's different when the content is
• 44:07
  very personal and about you. Yep, Yep.
• 44:10
  Well, and even for me, it's just it was just chasing who's saying
• 44:14
  who about what and you kind of just into this kind of
• 44:17
  evangelical like like gossip cul-de-sac and it's like, who
• 44:20
  should you defend? I don't.
• 44:21
  Want to be in the Christian sorority?
• 44:23
  It it's exhausting. Who's dating who?
• 44:25
  Who's breaking up with who? You know?
• 44:27
  Who's sleeping with who? I I don't care.
• 44:30
  You know it it so like to your point earlier about about guys
• 44:33
  start with a faithful listening to God begin listening to man
• 44:36
  and now they they move to become unfaithful.
• 44:38
  I mean, I have dear friends who have large platforms are good
• 44:42
  faithful men used to get invited to stuff and now I don't get
• 44:46
  invited to stuff because they're they're deemed as too
• 44:48
  controversial because they're literally saying simple things
• 44:51
  like murdering babies, mutilating children's genitalia
• 44:55
  and, you know, thinking. 2 genders.
• 44:59
  That there's more than two genders might not be what God
• 45:02
  says in his word. And now they're deemed as
• 45:04
  political when in reality they're being prophetic.
• 45:06
  And So what, what what I have observed is there are like, and
• 45:10
  people should know this. And I'm not going to use names
• 45:12
  because people would know the names.
• 45:13
  And I'm not, it's not my place to, to, to tell this guy's
• 45:15
  story, these people's story, but their entire underground mafias.
• 45:20
  I mean, I mean, there's black mafia, there's big Eva mafia.
• 45:24
  And if you step over a line, they swarm.
• 45:28
  He doesn't know anything about that.
• 45:29
  Yeah, I know you've never heard of this, but hypothetically this
• 45:31
  could happen to a guy. If you step over a line, they
• 45:34
  swarm and it's coordinated attack.
• 45:37
  They've obviously been talking. All of a sudden you're getting
• 45:39
  shelled with text messages and hey, you step over a line, you
• 45:43
  need to repent, you need to apologize, you need to back up
• 45:46
  invitations get get retracted. You start getting separated and
• 45:50
  isolated. So they're, they're threatening
• 45:52
  to cut you off unless you stay enmeshed.
• 45:55
  And as you stay, you know, playing by the, the, the, the
• 45:58
  team's rule book and like, like figureheads of big Eva and big
• 46:03
  voices in the black church community lean on these men.
• 46:06
  And it's, it's it, it's like, it's like a theological
• 46:09
  plantation you're a slave on and you're, you're not allowed off.
• 46:12
  It's wild, it's wicked, it's demonic, and it's real and it's
• 46:17
  controlling guys. It's controlling publishing
• 46:19
  houses, it's controlling conferences, All the major
• 46:22
  conferences that were awesome 10 or 15 years ago, they're all
• 46:26
  controlled by this underground mafia and making sure that it's
• 46:29
  wild that the narrative stays in line with the big Eva playbook,
• 46:34
  with the black church playbook. And it it's wicked.
• 46:37
  It's wicked. I recently it was a throwaway
• 46:39
  comment. I said something about Carl
• 46:41
  Lentz don't love that he's got a platform teaching people the
• 46:45
  Bible after the affair that he has said that he affairs that he
• 46:50
  is self-proclaimed. He has been vocal.
• 46:53
  Brian Houston. I have 4000 followers.
• 46:55
  Brian Houston came after me at 1:00 AM calling me demonic in
• 46:58
  the comments and it's there. You can see it.
• 47:00
  I'm like. Dude, hang out with your.
• 47:02
  Wife I've got 4000 followers. Why does anyone care what I
• 47:06
  said? It was a throwaway comment
• 47:08
  right? But it was like but every
• 47:09
  record. We're not for adultery.
• 47:12
  We are so against adultery. I don't.
• 47:14
  I've never seen the top ten list somewhere and I think it was on
• 47:17
  it, so I'm just going to roll with it.
• 47:19
  Not there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:20
  Yeah, I didn't. I didn't.
• 47:22
  This is embarrassing. I'm not sure what Carl Lens is,
• 47:23
  but. He's a big Hillsong pastor.
• 47:26
  Every Hillsong pastor got in the comments and said I was lying,
• 47:29
  all this was false, blah, blah blah.
• 47:30
  I'm like. Carl Lens in New York.
• 47:32
  Carl Lens in a Netflix documentary talking about his
• 47:35
  affairs. He literally did and all I said
• 47:37
  was a guy like that shouldn't be teaching Christians.
• 47:39
  Is it is it a good documentary like I don't?
• 47:42
  Know, because we don't watch No, but, but so, so for me, like,
• 47:45
  I'll give you an analogy, like some years ago, there's a story
• 47:49
  that was interesting. There was a, there was a, a big
• 47:52
  ship out at sea and there was a light that was in its lane.
• 47:56
  And so the big ship was used to just telling all the little
• 48:00
  ships, you know, get out of my lane, get out of my lane.
• 48:02
  So the big ship gets on calls, you know what they think is the
• 48:06
  little ship in their lane and says, Hey, you're, you're in our
• 48:09
  lane. We've got the right away.
• 48:10
  Get out of our lane, get out of our lane.
• 48:11
  Get out of our lane and they get the call back.
• 48:14
  We will not be moving. You will need to move.
• 48:18
  And the big ship says no, no, we're the big ship.
• 48:20
  You're in our lane, you've got to move.
• 48:22
  Get out of our lane, get out of our lane.
• 48:23
  Get out of our lane. Get out of our lane.
• 48:26
  Call comes back. We will not be moving.
• 48:28
  You must move and get out of our lane.
• 48:31
  Final call comes in. Get out of the lane.
• 48:34
  We're going to crash. Call comes back.
• 48:36
  You're going to need to move. We're the lighthouse.
• 48:40
  Yeah, we're not moving. I want to be the lighthouse.
• 48:42
  That's right, yeah. You call me all you want, I
• 48:46
  ain't moving. That's right.
• 48:47
  You're going to have to move. Yeah, and too many guys.
• 48:50
  They're a dinghy with a flashlight.
• 48:55
  Yeah. You know, and they get one call,
• 48:58
  one text, and they're like, yes, Sir.
• 49:01
  Oh, roll out of your lane. No, OK.
• 49:04
  Before you preached last night Before, before you preached us
• 49:08
  and I told you I said hey, just so you know, last minute we
• 49:12
  cancelled the. Gay pole dancer.
• 49:14
  Gay pole dancer And then what would you say I wasn't going to
• 49:17
  be? Just put it after me.
• 49:20
  Like happen if you want just put them after.
• 49:22
  Me, I don't have to deal with it.
• 49:25
  It's easy. Yeah.
• 49:26
  Just sequence this correctly. Totally.
• 49:31
  We can avoid a lot of pain here. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:34
  Get the order right. If you want to do drag queen
• 49:37
  story hour, Yeah, after my sermon.
• 49:39
  Yeah, perfect time 100%. After I've left the parking lot
• 49:43
  totally on you. I feel no sense of
• 49:44
  responsibility, yeah. Never ask him to do Elijah after
• 49:48
  you put a pole dancer. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:50
  It's just not going to go well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:53
  Hypothetically. Hypothetically.
• 49:54
  Yeah, what else do you want to? Talk about this is your show.
• 49:56
  I I'm in the realm of possibility.
• 49:59
  Political, I think. I don't think we've gotten there
• 50:01
  yet. Thanks for not moving by the
• 50:02
  way. I didn't know there was an
• 50:05
  option. I got saved reading the Bible,
• 50:10
  and I believe it. So I didn't know there was an
• 50:14
  option. You know, to me, it's like I got
• 50:17
  married and I've stayed faithful to my wife.
• 50:19
  And I've did people say, hey, thanks for staying faithful.
• 50:22
  I didn't know there was an option.
• 50:24
  I thought that's what marriage was.
• 50:26
  I thought that's what Christianity was.
• 50:29
  And I don't think you get a Gold Star in your chart for just
• 50:32
  obeying the basic agreement of both covenants.
• 50:37
  It's wild to me. Like, yeah, the Bible's true.
• 50:41
  Jesus is Lord. That's my wife.
• 50:43
  I'm going to be faithful to my covenants.
• 50:46
  I don't burn me to the ground, cancel me, cut me off, whatever.
• 50:52
  I'll be in the woods with my grandkids.
• 50:54
  Having a blast. Having a blast.
• 50:56
  I can't wait to stand before Jesus.
• 50:59
  I look forward to it. And at the end of the day, you
• 51:02
  are who your kids and grandkids say you are.
• 51:05
  And it doesn't matter what anyone says who your kid, your
• 51:10
  wife, your kids, your grandkids, they're your resume and they
• 51:14
  will know who you are. And who they say you are is who
• 51:18
  you are. And so you can have glowing
• 51:20
  reviews and best selling books and tour the world.
• 51:24
  And if your kids hate you and your wife is disappointed in
• 51:27
  you, then that's who you are. Bro, I remember when we both
• 51:34
  were in actually 9, I was getting asked to travel more and
• 51:37
  more and more and more. I finally said that on the board
• 51:39
  and I was like, guys, you realize all these conferences
• 51:42
  are full of the same men giving the same talk about how awesome
• 51:46
  their church plan is and their churches suck.
• 51:49
  Their town doesn't even know they're there.
• 51:50
  Nothing's happening there, but they're rock stars on the road.
• 51:53
  And what hit me, this isn't meant to be critical to any
• 51:56
  particular because there's some good men there too.
• 51:58
  But what hit me was it's easy to be a rock star on the road.
• 52:02
  It takes a dude to be a rock star at home.
• 52:04
  Got to be humble. You got to serve, you got to
• 52:06
  show up, you got to be consistent.
• 52:07
  You got to repent, you got to deal with your actual
• 52:09
  shortcomings. You can't just always put
• 52:11
  forward yourself as a hero in a, in a, in a, in a manicured
• 52:15
  curated 45 minute talk that you give.
• 52:18
  And I'm telling you what, it is really easy.
• 52:20
  Conferences are mirages in the desert.
• 52:23
  That's right. You go there, it feels like a
• 52:25
  thing and it doesn't exist. It just goes away because it's
• 52:28
  easy to talk about how to keep your water green in every other
• 52:31
  state than the state you actually live in, which is why
• 52:34
  what we're doing in Washington state is like, well, I could
• 52:36
  move, I guess, but at some point the fight's going to find you.
• 52:40
  And you got to you got to stand it somewhere.
• 52:42
  And So what I've been telling men is like, well, just gets
• 52:47
  into the maybe you want to get into the.
• 52:48
  Yeah, that's. Where I want to go is Washington
• 52:50
  State. Yeah, you know, let's talk about
• 52:51
  it. I mean, we have.
• 52:52
  Determined. Determined to get to the bottom
• 52:55
  of the septic tank. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:57
  Well, yeah, that's exactly right.
• 52:59
  Like not just not just floating digging.
• 53:01
  Yeah, like get to the bottom intentionally scuba diving to
• 53:03
  the bottom of the septic. Tank and every category from law
• 53:06
  enforcement to economics to safety, to education, ethics,
• 53:11
  you go down the line right, my buddy Adam, we can have a show.
• 53:14
  Maybe you can talk about it, but the point being is as I as I'm
• 53:18
  watching unfold, people say politics, no matter.
• 53:20
  No, they absolutely matter. It's statistically proven in red
• 53:22
  states, churches grow, churches thrive.
• 53:24
  Evangelism rates are, are wildly high in blue states.
• 53:28
  Everything's choking, everything's dying because blue
• 53:30
  states are becoming more and more synonymous with demonic
• 53:33
  strongholds. Well they're anti heterosexual
• 53:37
  marriage. Life.
• 53:39
  Christian family and life. And so it's like you're going
• 53:43
  to, you're going to discourage marriage, you're going to
• 53:45
  mediate children, you're going to brainwash them in a
• 53:47
  government school and anybody who works, you're going to tax
• 53:52
  them and take money to fund that.
• 53:54
  Yeah. And it's like, well, how did how
• 53:55
  then do you get married and have 4 kids and mom stay home with
• 53:59
  the kids when you can't afford to live there?
• 54:02
  It just becomes economically unviable.
• 54:05
  That's right. So we want.
• 54:06
  You can believe in Jesus. You also need to believe in
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  math. Yeah, that's that's exactly
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  right. We want to build a family cap of
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  the world. And it hit me probably 3 years
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  ago that we can't build a family cap of the world if families
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  can't afford to live here. Economics matter to families.
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  If you can't buy a home, if you can't get a job, if you can't
• 54:24
  cover basic. How much is property taxes here?
• 54:27
  Oh, there. Let's say you buy.
• 54:28
  You know homes are expensive. Let's say you buy it on what,
• 54:31
  six $800,000 home? Which year is a house?
• 54:34
  Which here's a very small house. I mean the medium price of a
• 54:37
  home in Wenatchee used to be I can remember is like like 222.
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  And you're a small town, like 40,000 people. 35,000 in
• 54:43
  Wenatchee median house prices like like north of 500 five,
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  5600 and we're talking like small cracker box house and
• 54:50
  we're not building new houses. By the way, all the houses we're
• 54:52
  building are in Chelan and they're like $10 million money
• 54:55
  coming from Seattle. We're not building.
• 54:57
  How much is taxes on a $600,000 home?
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  Property taxes. Oh, I mean it could depend on
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  what county you're in. It could be 12/14/16 thousand.
• 55:05
  Bucks. Oh my gosh.
• 55:06
  Some people's property taxes are more their mortgage than their
• 55:08
  mortgage. And that means you actually
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  don't own your home, you're renting it back from the
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  government. And you're funding the objective
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  wickedness. So when when they threw the tea
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  in the harbor, the Boston, the Boston Tea Party, they were
• 55:21
  protesting 3 or 4% tax that was funding the King's parties,
• 55:28
  whatever we're funding objectively statewide wickedness
• 55:34
  at every level. And and my challenge to men is
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  like, if you haven't had a moral dilemma in paying your taxes,
• 55:42
  you're not paying attention. This isn't just so I'm not just
• 55:45
  some libertarian going, oh, I hate taxes.
• 55:47
  Like, no, I understand government necessity for
• 55:49
  infrastructure, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  But when you when we shift from rugged individualism to the
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  warmth of collectivism, we are moving into a socialistic
• 55:58
  communist society that has never worked anywhere in the history
• 56:02
  of humanity to bring about the flourishing of anybody except
• 56:06
  for the few, the top running, the whole thing.
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  And so for us, what I've seen in Washington state is at every
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  level the state policies are working against and making it
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  impossible for men and women to obey the first commandment given
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  in the Bible, which is to be fruitful, multiply and fill the
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  earth and subdue it. And so I'm looking at going,
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  this is a moral, ethical, biblical war where the
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  government that's over me is acting like a God rather than
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  submitting themselves to God. Therefore, as a man representing
• 56:38
  God, I have to stay. Civil disobedience.
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  That's right. But we're, we're, yeah, we're,
• 56:43
  we've been, we're in that and we're in some ways moving past
• 56:47
  that. It's like, it's like, well,
• 56:48
  what's next? And I won't say names or even
• 56:51
  say out loud what they're saying, but good men in this
• 56:55
  state that people's would recognize the name of ours are
• 56:58
  are floating questions in closed doors that do we need to
• 57:06
  consider XYZ? I mean, like, is this where
• 57:09
  we're at? Saying things that you read
• 57:10
  about in history books, not that you ever thought would happen in
• 57:13
  your lifetime Because they see the road that we're on.
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  We are. We are as a state.
• 57:18
  We are not drifting toward. We are Mach 10 moving toward a
• 57:23
  failed state. They just passed the income tax
• 57:26
  in the Senate I believe moving to the House representatives
• 57:29
  now. If it passes, it's called.
• 57:31
  Seattle will be the most taxed city in America above New York.
• 57:34
  Oh, it's not even close. I mean, they tax you everywhere
• 57:37
  you turn, and the income tax is designed to tax unrealized gains
• 57:41
  in stocks and house value. So think about that.
• 57:45
  It's, it's, it's, it's absolute highway robbery.
• 57:47
  You might someday profit, so we will make sure we get our
• 57:51
  portion today whether or not you ever profit.
• 57:54
  Well, you get the upside, but you don't get the downside.
• 57:55
  You buy a house for 200 grand, they will drive by because we we
• 57:59
  do drive by assessments here. They drive by wave their wand.
• 58:02
  It's worth six 600,000 now says who?
• 58:06
  Says the guy that drove by in the car looking at your house
• 58:08
  from the street. So now there's a $400,000
• 58:11
  difference between what you paid for it and what they say it's
• 58:13
  worth. They're going to call that
• 58:15
  unrealized gains. That's equity that no one ever
• 58:18
  touches or has. Access to.
• 58:20
  You don't have the. Cash, the market hasn't proven
• 58:22
  it. We're just saying it's worth
• 58:24
  that. They're going to tax that now at
• 58:26
  a rate maybe it's 1520 thousand bucks that you owe to the state.
• 58:29
  Where do you get that money? Nobody has $20,000 laying
• 58:32
  around. And so and so now you have you
• 58:34
  got to sell the home. Now people are going into
• 58:36
  foreclosure and selling their home statewide.
• 58:40
  The state, the state fails. Well, I'm like that's happening
• 58:42
  right now and these idiots think this is a good idea and and and
• 58:46
  it just. You don't own homes.
• 58:49
  It's just mind boggling. And so when you're in a blue
• 58:51
  state, you realize, OK, here's the deal.
• 58:54
  And, and, and I have very good men in my church who've left
• 58:58
  Washington state who I love dearly. 1 was a business
• 59:00
  partner. He's in Wyoming now building
• 59:02
  homes. I love him to death.
• 59:04
  And he just in tears. He's like Josh, I, I can't do it
• 59:07
  anymore. You know, I'm a fighter.
• 59:09
  You know, I stand with you. I don't know who to fight.
• 59:12
  This is a nameless, faceless bureaucracy that bends me over
• 59:16
  over every day with, with, with a broom handle.
• 59:18
  And I get the broom handle treatment.
• 59:19
  I don't like that. And here's the thing, Mark, I
• 59:21
  don't hold it against that man for moving because I've called
• 59:23
  my men to be stronger men. And if they have nothing to
• 59:26
  fight, I shouldn't expect them to bend over and take it.
• 59:28
  Everybody that's not being a stronger man, that's being that.
• 59:30
  That's being a a, a, a, a a a bitch for a guy in a jail.
• 59:35
  So when they move, I don't hold it against them.
• 59:37
  What I'm trying to do as a pastor is find ways to give men
• 59:40
  to fight because if they can't fight, they'll leave because
• 59:43
  they're good men. And you realize policies in blue
• 59:46
  states are designed to push the strong men out so only the weak
• 59:51
  stay and they can be controlled. And the biggest export, Adam
• 59:53
  told me last week, the big export of Washington that used
• 59:56
  to this is a nuclear state. This is an aeronautic state.
• 59:58
  This is a technology state. This is a timber state.
• 1:00:01
  This is agricultural state. This is a farming state.
• 1:00:03
  This is a, we have a, what do you call it, a port state.
• 1:00:07
  We should be leading the the country, right?
• 1:00:09
  This is state that's bleeding our biggest export Conservative
• 1:00:13
  voters. And if we as a church won't
• 1:00:14
  figure out a way to plug that hole, we won't have the people
• 1:00:17
  we need to turn the ship. So we are in a decisively
• 1:00:20
  engaged do or die moment as the church in Washington and more
• 1:00:24
  passage in blue states need to wake up.
• 1:00:26
  That's happening in your in your state, too.
• 1:00:28
  I've had no less than 15 men in the last six weeks in the sacred
• 1:00:32
  assembly. We've been calling him in to
• 1:00:34
  stay, dig in, find the high ground, build a community, lock
• 1:00:38
  in and make war. 15 men, Count me in tears in your eyes.
• 1:00:42
  I had taken a job. I had bought property.
• 1:00:45
  It's Idaho, Arizona, Texas. That's where I plant churches.
• 1:00:48
  That's where all my guys go. I had property.
• 1:00:50
  I had jobs. God convicted me.
• 1:00:52
  I'm staying. What's the plan?
• 1:00:55
  So good men will stay if they have a battle plan to engage in,
• 1:00:58
  But if Patricks aren't giving them a way to fight, the best
• 1:01:01
  men are going to leave. And I'm telling you, I'm telling
• 1:01:03
  you, this isn't prophetic business math.
• 1:01:05
  The clock is ticking on when you're going to close the doors
• 1:01:09
  of your church because there'll be nobody there left.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah, sorry. Well, and, and in that too, like
• 1:01:14
  I'm in the life stage now, like, you know, Landon's, you know, my
• 1:01:17
  son-in-law. And I'm all I think about is the
• 1:01:20
  kids and the grandkids. That's right.
• 1:01:22
  Like how is your family going to thrive?
• 1:01:24
  And, and your son, who's my best friend, you know, with my whole
• 1:01:29
  heart, like what's it going to be like for him when he goes in
• 1:01:33
  20 years or whatever it is to, to get married?
• 1:01:35
  And that's right, start his family.
• 1:01:37
  Like where, where is it going to?
• 1:01:39
  Because if it's, if it's intolerable now, give it 20
• 1:01:43
  years. Unlivable, unlivable.
• 1:01:46
  And, and here's the thing, bro, if we don't, if the church
• 1:01:49
  doesn't engage aggressively in the public square, and by public
• 1:01:53
  square, I mean politics, if the church doesn't engage
• 1:01:57
  aggressively and take back their role as a part of God's
• 1:02:03
  conscience and bringing dominion to the earth over government, if
• 1:02:06
  they don't step in aggressively in the ballot, we're going to be
• 1:02:11
  forced to be considering taking measures with bullets.
• 1:02:14
  That's not a threat. That's history.
• 1:02:17
  That's, that's, that's how these things work.
• 1:02:19
  Better men than us have had hard decisions saying we read about
• 1:02:23
  them in books, we watch their movies.
• 1:02:25
  Isn't this great? I've had, I've had a pit in my
• 1:02:28
  stomach last two years. Is this what Jefferson felt
• 1:02:30
  like? Is this what George Washington
• 1:02:32
  felt like? Is it where these men realize if
• 1:02:34
  we don't take action that will probably end in our physical
• 1:02:39
  demise and death, We will have nothing left to hand to our
• 1:02:42
  grandkids. And then we're going to violate
• 1:02:44
  the basic rule of the Bible, which is doing to others as you
• 1:02:47
  have them doing to you. And I'm pretty sure that we
• 1:02:49
  don't want others to leave it worse than they found it for us
• 1:02:51
  when we get there. And so for me, like 1 of the
• 1:02:54
  basic rules that we teach our kids at the school, my kids is
• 1:02:57
  leave everything better than you found it.
• 1:02:58
  My dad taught me that when I was a kid.
• 1:03:00
  You borrow something, man, you're giving it back in twice
• 1:03:02
  the shape. You borrow a car, it's car wash
• 1:03:05
  inside out, full tank of gas tire air in the tire is full.
• 1:03:10
  You give back a better car that that was my dad.
• 1:03:13
  To this day, if I borrow someone's cabin, it gets a full
• 1:03:16
  cleaning. Kitchen, bathrooms, living room.
• 1:03:19
  I take pictures of the rooms to show what how we left it because
• 1:03:21
  I just had this thing in me. I would never want someone to
• 1:03:24
  think that they gave me something to steward for a
• 1:03:27
  weekend. You don't hear a funny fear.
• 1:03:29
  I'm afraid that I'll borrow a friend's cabin.
• 1:03:32
  I'll tell your dad. No, I'll, I'll leave it clean.
• 1:03:34
  Someone will come in between me and when they go there again and
• 1:03:37
  trash it, and they'll think that was me.
• 1:03:38
  I just this thing, this thing in my head.
• 1:03:40
  That's a great principle to teach a kid.
• 1:03:42
  How about a grown man in his community?
• 1:03:45
  How about a grown man in his state?
• 1:03:47
  How about a grown ass man in his nation?
• 1:03:50
  But part of it is pastors need to be pointing their fingers in
• 1:03:52
  the chest of men. Will you leave this nation
• 1:03:57
  better than you found it? And that's not the trajectory
• 1:03:59
  we're on right now. And you, you've been spending a
• 1:04:01
  lot of time in DC. You're you're one of those
• 1:04:03
  pastors making a difference. You've got a great man in your
• 1:04:07
  church, Adam James. I think this is a good
• 1:04:09
  transition in our last and I know we don't say that past.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, Segway, Segway. Pivot.
• 1:04:14
  We don't transition. No one's transitioning here, but
• 1:04:17
  very clear. But I think you have a big
• 1:04:19
  announcement you want to share online, maybe an invite.
• 1:04:22
  So let's in our final like 5-10 ten minutes.
• 1:04:25
  Awesome. Let's jump into that.
• 1:04:27
  So I'll bow out and Adam James will take my seat.
• 1:04:29
  Awesome. Thanks, Pastor Landon.
• 1:04:32
  So one thing I'll, I'll, I'll give an invite some buddies in
• 1:04:35
  my are are are hosting an event at the Museum of the Bible in
• 1:04:40
  DC. Which is fantastic.
• 1:04:41
  It's an awesome it's not been it's cool.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah, the green family incredible.
• 1:04:44
  It's a great job. It's in a it's a world class
• 1:04:46
  Smithsonian Gray museum. We'll be up in their ballroom on
• 1:04:50
  the top floor after hours so you can night museum kind of fun.
• 1:04:53
  And we're going to be rolling out what we believe God's given
• 1:04:56
  us has a divine strategy to help engage.
• 1:04:59
  Because there are some pastors who aren't engaged politically
• 1:05:02
  because they're cowards. But there are a lot of other
• 1:05:06
  pastors who who are not engaged in because they don't know what
• 1:05:10
  to do. They don't have the on round.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah. And so some are cowards, some
• 1:05:13
  are compromised, and then some are just like.
• 1:05:15
  Clueless. Clueless I would do something,
• 1:05:18
  but I don't know what to do. And so it it it's those men that
• 1:05:22
  that we're inviting to this event and we're just kind of
• 1:05:25
  rolling out in fun event in DC at the Museum of the Bible
• 1:05:28
  dinner on me and we're just going to be might have some cool
• 1:05:31
  guests. Got to be kind of cryptic here
• 1:05:33
  on that. But we're going to roll out to
• 1:05:38
  these men what we're doing. We've partnered with for liberty
• 1:05:40
  and justice Nate Schatzline Texas State Rep 2 terms Adam, it
• 1:05:45
  was a 2 terms. He's in his third.
• 1:05:47
  If you've heard any news coming out of Texas that encouraged
• 1:05:50
  you, destroying DEIA, hardening the border, getting 10
• 1:05:54
  commandments back in public schools, getting prayer back in
• 1:05:57
  public schools, getting school choice statewide, all of that's
• 1:06:00
  Nate Schatzline. This, this guy's an animal.
• 1:06:02
  It's legislation, legislation he wrote, legislation he sponsored.
• 1:06:06
  He's a good dude. They started for liberty and
• 1:06:09
  justice, mercy, culture, land and shot.
• 1:06:11
  It was basically giving churches a way to get involved
• 1:06:14
  politically. You buy a house across from the
• 1:06:16
  state capital. You fill it with prayer and
• 1:06:18
  worship. You start taking the presence of
• 1:06:19
  God to the people's house. Here in Washington state,
• 1:06:23
  Olympia is our capital. We've been going to Olympia now
• 1:06:27
  for a couple. Adam's been there multiple
• 1:06:28
  times. And what hit me was the reason
• 1:06:31
  the Spirit of God isn't in Olympia is because God's people
• 1:06:35
  aren't in Olympia. Christianity isn't like this
• 1:06:37
  osmosis magic spell. You pray over something out
• 1:06:40
  there that gets cast on something.
• 1:06:42
  The Spirit of God goes where the people of God are.
• 1:06:43
  If we're filled with the Spirit of God, we can take him there
• 1:06:45
  when we go there. And there are a few Christians
• 1:06:48
  fighting, fighting valiantly. But by and large, it's godless
• 1:06:52
  people in our state capitol putting forth godless
• 1:06:56
  legislation that hurts people. And so we came under the
• 1:07:00
  conviction that we can't tell people to go there if we're not
• 1:07:04
  willing to go there ourself. And so God just kind of gave us
• 1:07:07
  a divine strategy. And we're not publishing this
• 1:07:09
  for a couple weeks, I think because as of this recording,
• 1:07:11
  our church doesn't know yet. But when this comes out, our
• 1:07:13
  church will know. We're announcing it in a week
• 1:07:15
  and a half. But God gave me a vision while I
• 1:07:18
  was talking with Nate Schatzline about how to start a chapter in
• 1:07:21
  every state. And honestly, guys, if you're
• 1:07:23
  listening to your pastor, I'd love to reach out to you.
• 1:07:25
  We'll maybe drop an e-mail in the comments.
• 1:07:27
  Landon, they can e-mail if you'd like to come to DC March 11th.
• 1:07:30
  It's a, it's invite only, limited registration for our
• 1:07:34
  event at the Museum of the Bible where I'm going to be talking
• 1:07:36
  about how we're rolling. You can roll this out in your
• 1:07:38
  church. I'd love to have you e-mail me.
• 1:07:40
  We'll, we'll try and see if we can get you on the schedule.
• 1:07:42
  If we have more demand, we may do some more in the future.
• 1:07:44
  Who knows? But God gave me a vision.
• 1:07:47
  Talking with Nick Schatzline for Liberty and justice.
• 1:07:49
  They flipped 111 elections in the Dallas Fort Worth area.
• 1:07:53
  A remarkable step by Churches can roll out where you train,
• 1:07:57
  equip and then vet politicians, Christians to go into the
• 1:08:00
  political public square, to go into the political environment
• 1:08:03
  trained and equipped in the gospel and the good news and
• 1:08:06
  biblical principles equipped how to win.
• 1:08:08
  And then you start bringing the word of God back in the public
• 1:08:10
  square. God gave me vision.
• 1:08:12
  I walked into Kyle strong Javas and I I said, this is going to
• 1:08:14
  happen. He's like, oh, you think so?
• 1:08:16
  I said, it's going to happen. Three nights later, you know the
• 1:08:18
  story. After a sacred assembly, God
• 1:08:20
  gave him a prophetic dream. He woke up next morning, sent us
• 1:08:23
  a text and now we're in it. And so part of the divine
• 1:08:26
  strategy is what's happening now.
• 1:08:28
  And I'll hand it off to my buddy here, Adam James, the most
• 1:08:30
  respected man I know, the best pastor I know.
• 1:08:32
  I've never met a pastor better than Adam James filled the
• 1:08:35
  spirit, charismatic, teaches the Bible people person, shepherd,
• 1:08:39
  fearless, courageous, step into conflict, call balls and strikes
• 1:08:42
  has been my wingman as my number two guy since we started
• 1:08:45
  planting Grace City with us 18 years into this thing.
• 1:08:48
  Faithful, godly, godly wife, godly family, godly man and and
• 1:08:54
  our play is this. I'm running to represent the
• 1:09:00
  Americans of the 12th District for the Washington State House
• 1:09:04
  of Representatives. Let's go.
• 1:09:07
  Pretty awesome. So the the the play is every
• 1:09:10
  church need to find their best man instead of the darkest place
• 1:09:13
  in your state. I they can tell pastors rise up
• 1:09:16
  and step back in the public square.
• 1:09:17
  Just hoping some guy finds enough gumption in your church
• 1:09:20
  to do it and do it isn't going to help the Johnson amendment.
• 1:09:23
  POTUS has removed the teeth of that.
• 1:09:24
  I'm going to freaking wear a James for for Washington shirt
• 1:09:27
  in the pulpit every Sunday for four months.
• 1:09:29
  Can't touch me. President Trump, thanks to the
• 1:09:31
  God for all you pastors out there that criticize him and and
• 1:09:35
  tell him to take down his non racist racist accidental tweets
• 1:09:39
  because you're you're morons and have no discernment about the
• 1:09:41
  man in his heart. For all you who are gripe about
• 1:09:43
  him, he has done more for you and your religious freedom and
• 1:09:47
  your ability to be a pastor than any president in my lifetime.
• 1:09:50
  The Johnson Amendment's teeth has been removed.
• 1:09:52
  IRS employees that were hired to harass churches and Christian
• 1:09:56
  colleges and pastors have been fired.
• 1:09:58
  You are free to speak plainly and clearly and freely about
• 1:10:04
  Jesus and politics as much as you want, and he's asking for
• 1:10:07
  it. POTUS has said very clearly,
• 1:10:10
  it's not my job to turn our nation around because our
• 1:10:12
  prominent political it's spiritual, it's the church's
• 1:10:15
  job, It's the pastor's job. He's inviting more pastors in
• 1:10:17
  the White House than any president on record.
• 1:10:19
  He wants pastors there not for a photo shoot.
• 1:10:22
  He wants pastors there to speak into the policy of his
• 1:10:25
  administration, what's wrong, what's happening.
• 1:10:28
  He has a fundamental conviction that churches do better work in
• 1:10:31
  communities than state than the state does.
• 1:10:33
  He wants to give money, resources, responsibility back
• 1:10:37
  to the jurisdiction of the family in the church.
• 1:10:40
  I've never seen a politician that wants to so aggressively
• 1:10:43
  shrink the government's footprint so as to strengthen
• 1:10:47
  the church and family footprint. And that's what we have in this
• 1:10:49
  window of time with this particular president.
• 1:10:51
  And I'm all in for it to help. However I can invite as many
• 1:10:55
  pastors in to step through this window of grace that God's given
• 1:10:58
  us because it'll close quickly. And if it closes and we missed
• 1:11:01
  it, it may not open again, and we'll have ourselves to blame
• 1:11:03
  alone. It's not President Trump's job
• 1:11:06
  to fix our country because fundamentally it's broken at a
• 1:11:08
  spiritual level. And he and he agrees with it.
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  So he's doing the deals and the things and trying to get us
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  strong economically, but he's looking at pastors going.
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  I want to, I want to make your job as easy as possible so you
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  can do it with courage and gusto and gumption and win our nation
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  back to God. The guy's calling for a entire
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  day of celebration on May 17th to rededicate our country back
• 1:11:29
  to God. Who, who does that?
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  This, this is wild. I think you're going to be
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  there. I'm probably going to be there.
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  Like I'm preaching at 9:00 AM. Mark, May 17th, put it on your
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  calendar that they want a million people there celebrating
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  that our nation, it's incredible.
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  So we've talked about we're celebrating our 5th, 50th.
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  This is this is America's fifth jubilee and this is a win.
• 1:11:52
  It's a window of destiny, men. So if you're a pastor, that's if
• 1:11:55
  you're listening to me and you're like, that guy is such a
• 1:11:57
  racist idiot, no problem. But if you're listening to this
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  going like I want to be a part of that, I want to step into
• 1:12:02
  that man. I don't know how we do this
• 1:12:04
  Landon. We put an e-mail in the comments
• 1:12:05
  or something. We'll find a way the guys can
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  reach out. OK, send me an e-mail.
• 1:12:08
  My team will put you on the list and we'll reach out to you.
• 1:12:10
  Because I fundamentally believe that there is an army of armor
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  bearers out there who are ready to follow the prophetic Jonathan
• 1:12:17
  up the hill to kick the enemies. You know what?
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  And that's the window of time we're in.
• 1:12:20
  So Adam real quick do we got time for him to share a 2 minute
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  blurb of what he wants to do? Well, I just want to begin by
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  honestly telling thank you to Pastor Mark and you, Pastor
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  Josh. I mean, you guys are literally
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  the generals of this generation that we need.
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  And so for all the other men who have watched and listened to
• 1:12:37
  your Bible teaching, you're following the the things that
• 1:12:39
  you've spoken to boldly from the pulpit.
• 1:12:41
  That's exactly what is needed across this nation.
• 1:12:44
  And so may your tribe increase. And and and we're following your
• 1:12:47
  lead. I've been following your guys's
• 1:12:48
  lead. So I just want to say thank you,
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  honor both of you men for the voices you have and how you've
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  used them. Yeah.
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  And it's been, it's been incredible.
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  So I mean, as as I look at where you're saying there's gonna be
• 1:12:56
  no righteous change in the state of Washington or anywhere if the
• 1:12:59
  people of God don't go. Yeah.
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  And you know, God has raised up godly men and women from
• 1:13:04
  business world in past times. But it is like the hours late,
• 1:13:07
  the hour is dark. It is now men and women
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  literally from the church filled with the Holy Spirit.
• 1:13:12
  It is time for the church to go or the state dies.
• 1:13:15
  And so if we surrender the high places and don't enter the gates
• 1:13:19
  of the nobles, then quite literally we're choosing
• 1:13:22
  judgement and destruction. And we've been on that path
• 1:13:24
  under horrific, abysmal policies that are terrible principles
• 1:13:30
  that are backed by principalities.
• 1:13:32
  That's the reality. It's not political, it's
• 1:13:33
  spiritual principalities behind principles, principles, Dr.
• 1:13:36
  policies. And we're literally running off
• 1:13:38
  the Cliff and we're driving out good people, we're choking out
• 1:13:41
  families, we're trampling business.
• 1:13:42
  And, and all the issues that are wrong in the state of
• 1:13:45
  Washington, along with other states, blue states in the
• 1:13:49
  Union, they are fundamentally, without question moral and
• 1:13:53
  spiritual issues. At the root, and that's the
• 1:13:55
  core. That's right.
• 1:13:56
  And so we can engage on on the level of the political wisdom of
• 1:14:01
  the policies and look at the statistics and look at the
• 1:14:03
  reality of what it's producing. And there's no question the
• 1:14:06
  state of Washington is heading in the wrong direction rapidly
• 1:14:10
  and it's destroying families, it's destroying businesses.
• 1:14:13
  This isn't it. I've lived here in the state of
• 1:14:16
  Washington my entire life. Born and raised, small town,
• 1:14:20
  hometown kid in the center of the state.
• 1:14:22
  Both of my families on my grandparents side came to
• 1:14:25
  Washington state to start families, new opportunities,
• 1:14:29
  jobs to to grow life. And now they are being driven
• 1:14:32
  out because they were successful.
• 1:14:34
  We have an amazing state, incredible natural resources.
• 1:14:37
  Your your uncle. We we, we LED in the war effort.
• 1:14:40
  You know, Hanford, the hydroelectric dams, the aluminum
• 1:14:42
  production that built the planes to win the war.
• 1:14:44
  Washington state was leading the Union.
• 1:14:46
  We have so many natural resources and opportunity here.
• 1:14:50
  The government is literally trampling the beef.
• 1:14:53
  Fruitful prosperity choking it out.
• 1:14:58
  What needs to be unlocked again? Washington state should be
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  leading in every way. Family should want to be coming
• 1:15:03
  here. It should be the family capital
• 1:15:05
  world. And it is.
• 1:15:05
  It's going to be where we got a lot of work to do.
• 1:15:07
  And if the church doesn't step up and lead like that's the
• 1:15:11
  thing for me is, is going. We have to look in the mirror.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah, that's right. We've held the gate open for
• 1:15:17
  evil to advance. I've been in these rooms over
• 1:15:20
  the last year looking where are the leaders that God's raising
• 1:15:22
  up in politics, in business, in the church, Where are the
• 1:15:25
  leaders? And Olympia or your state
• 1:15:28
  capital, wherever you're watching this from, is a
• 1:15:30
  reflection of who we've sent there or who we haven't sent
• 1:15:34
  there. That's right.
• 1:15:35
  And the quality of leaders and of servants, public servants
• 1:15:38
  talk about for me, it's like, do you love your neighbor?
• 1:15:42
  Then you can't be absent and silent the way the church has
• 1:15:46
  been for generations, for generation now in Washington
• 1:15:49
  state. AWOL Mia It's inexcusable.
• 1:15:52
  And the pastor's not calling their people to action or men
• 1:15:55
  and women not seriously considering is God calling me?
• 1:15:57
  Is the Holy Spirit calling me to enter the arena?
• 1:16:00
  Because if the Spirit of God is reviving the church when he
• 1:16:03
  does, and I believe that's happening all over this nation,
• 1:16:05
  I do I believe we are seeing a work of the Holy Spirit reviving
• 1:16:08
  the church. It is intended to lead to public
• 1:16:13
  and social reformation on the foundation of biblical
• 1:16:17
  principles that are that are American principles that are
• 1:16:20
  constitutional principles that flow from a biblical worldview
• 1:16:24
  design that provide the flourishing and prosperity and
• 1:16:28
  freedom of all people. You don't even have to love
• 1:16:32
  Jesus to live under the blessing of the shade of the tree that
• 1:16:36
  his truth provides. And so if we truly love our
• 1:16:39
  neighbor, we have to stand up, speak up, show up.
• 1:16:41
  It's time for the church to go over.
• 1:16:42
  The state dies. Well, in the state that the stat
• 1:16:45
  that is so discouraging and incriminating is less than 30%
• 1:16:50
  of average American churchgoers are even registered to vote.
• 1:16:53
  We have the votes in the church, both in Washington and the
• 1:16:56
  nation to turn the tide. So when you live in a
• 1:16:58
  constitutional Republic, you have no one to blame but
• 1:17:01
  yourself. But if you're a shepherd, your
• 1:17:03
  flock follows you. Yep.
• 1:17:07
  And if you're not going anywhere?
• 1:17:09
  That's right. Well, here's the hack with that.
• 1:17:12
  If guys want to come to DC, what we're going to give me a divine
• 1:17:15
  strategy. God's given us.
• 1:17:16
  It hit me when let's talk about the good hearted Christians who
• 1:17:21
  don't know what to do. They look at a ballot.
• 1:17:23
  They're like, I don't know these people.
• 1:17:25
  I don't want to actually vote for some guy who's an idiot.
• 1:17:27
  I'm reading a little commercial blurb in the in the I mean.
• 1:17:30
  It's all propaganda. It's all propaganda.
• 1:17:31
  So I voted for 25 years in, in, in, in this state.
• 1:17:35
  And I would always call Clyde Ballard, Sean Ballard, 'cause
• 1:17:37
  they knew everybody in politics who is this guy?
• 1:17:39
  What's this initiative? And in Washington they were,
• 1:17:42
  they word the initiative so hard.
• 1:17:43
  Oh, yeah. They're like you're, you're
• 1:17:44
  like, I know what I don't want to vote for and I'm.
• 1:17:47
  Not like in flourishing abortion campaign.
• 1:17:51
  OK, totally, totally. And then it's like double
• 1:17:52
  negatives and they flip it and you're like, what am I voting
• 1:17:55
  for? I mean, they, they took, they're
• 1:17:57
  taking straw polls like in the earth side of, of, of elections.
• 1:18:00
  And it's like there's a large percentage of people that didn't
• 1:18:03
  actually vote for what they wanted to vote for because they
• 1:18:05
  could understand the language. It's all designed that way,
• 1:18:07
  right? And so election integrity is a
• 1:18:09
  big thing. But but what I realized was, and
• 1:18:12
  we haven't told our church yet. So as of this recording, when
• 1:18:14
  this airs, we'll have told them. Here's my prophetic prediction
• 1:18:18
  when we take this to our church and announced that Adam James,
• 1:18:21
  probably the best man they know, is stepping up making massive
• 1:18:25
  family SAC rice when we're moving in houses for safety.
• 1:18:28
  Got to go from a nice rural town to the state capitol.
• 1:18:32
  Bro Olympia, we've been there. The, the, the, the Realtors who
• 1:18:35
  are who, who we met to just walk around the town.
• 1:18:38
  They're like, it's dark. Like we don't say we're
• 1:18:40
  Christians. We got to keep our head down.
• 1:18:42
  If we want our business to thrive, we have to modify what
• 1:18:46
  we say and, and be measured or we'll just be persecuted.
• 1:18:50
  When we leave our city to go to visit our kids in Idaho, there's
• 1:18:53
  a felt lift of a, of a darkness When we hit the city limits.
• 1:18:56
  It's a dark, dark place, right? So when we tell our church that
• 1:18:59
  we're saying the best man they know in the darkest place in our
• 1:19:02
  state, that's the nuclear center causing all of our pain, they're
• 1:19:05
  going to lose their mind 10 minutes to an ovation, crying,
• 1:19:09
  cheering, handing in babies to hug and kiss.
• 1:19:11
  It's, it's like they're going to be activated because all of a
• 1:19:14
  sudden they know this man and they, they can get behind him
• 1:19:17
  and all of a sudden your church is engaged.
• 1:19:19
  And so I've been telling pastors is like, here's the deal.
• 1:19:22
  Pick your best man and send him into a school board race into a
• 1:19:27
  county commissioner race, into a mayoral mayoral race into the,
• 1:19:31
  the City Council, get him engaged.
• 1:19:34
  And that will have the Starbucks effect nationally.
• 1:19:37
  And what I mean is when Starbucks started buying stores
• 1:19:41
  and and playing stores, all the kind of independent coffee shops
• 1:19:43
  in Washington panicked. They're like, Starbucks came,
• 1:19:47
  came in across the street, I'm going to go out of business.
• 1:19:49
  Just the opposite happened. Their business increased because
• 1:19:52
  when Starbucks moved into town, everyone's interest in coffee
• 1:19:55
  went up. Same thing.
• 1:19:57
  I think it happened politically. We're not sending him into an
• 1:20:00
  into a federal race, but I believe us sending Adam into a
• 1:20:03
  state representative race is going to affect the outcome of
• 1:20:05
  the midterms because now more people, my church, are activated
• 1:20:09
  and engaged politically at every level.
• 1:20:11
  OK, it's easy to get people activated for national stuff.
• 1:20:14
  For some reason it's hard to get people activated at a local
• 1:20:18
  level, and that's where actually counts.
• 1:20:20
  The things you can do in a city and a county and a state are
• 1:20:23
  crazy if you just get involved. And I realized we're busy and
• 1:20:26
  got kids and they had time. So I'm in a season of life where
• 1:20:28
  I'm like, OK, and my son just bought a house.
• 1:20:31
  I just got my daughter and I was I got two more kids who want to
• 1:20:33
  buy a house. If we stay on this trajectory,
• 1:20:36
  it's the most expensive housing in the state.
• 1:20:37
  It's the worst state to get a first home.
• 1:20:39
  If I don't take action as a 46 year old to make drastic change
• 1:20:43
  quickly, my kids have no future here.
• 1:20:45
  So that's the seed of life I'm in.
• 1:20:46
  That's where I'm going. You want to get involved, send
• 1:20:48
  an e-mail, DC Museum of the Bible, how to activate your your
• 1:20:52
  church, how to activate your state.
• 1:20:54
  We'll be there with Nate Schatzline and For Liberty and
• 1:20:56
  Justice showing you how to start a For Liberty and Justice
• 1:20:59
  chapter, how to participate in one.
• 1:21:01
  We're not asking to come and take a commercial and give us
• 1:21:04
  money. We want to give you a playbook
• 1:21:06
  to activate you to, to become a part of the Black Robe Regiment
• 1:21:10
  that I believe God is raising up across this nation to in this
• 1:21:13
  prophetic moment and window of destiny and grace, step through
• 1:21:17
  it decisively for change. Thank you for running Adam.
• 1:21:22
  He's a great man. I've known Adam a very long time
• 1:21:25
  and my strong encouragement, because you are a pastor and a
• 1:21:28
  Bible teacher, I've had to cover my pulpit.
• 1:21:31
  I would encourage pastors, give me your pulpit.
• 1:21:34
  Yes. If you don't have the courage or
• 1:21:36
  know exactly what to say, just give him the mic.
• 1:21:39
  Yep, he's a pastor. He's a Bible teacher.
• 1:21:42
  We'd both lay hands and send them right now.
• 1:21:44
  Yep, just let him do his thing. He's a pastor first, you're now
• 1:21:49
  public servant second, and this is part of your pastoral
• 1:21:53
  ministry and and it is shepherding beyond just a local
• 1:21:56
  flock, but an entire state. And so, yeah, I just, I feel
• 1:21:59
  like just saying for pastors as well, open up your pulpit, give
• 1:22:04
  this guy a shot and let him come preach and teach and get
• 1:22:07
  biblical worldview and do his thing.
• 1:22:09
  And then my hope and prayer would be that that would be a
• 1:22:12
  precedent where when good pastors would go into politics,
• 1:22:16
  then other pastors would open their pulpits and allow those
• 1:22:19
  men to sort of lead the charge. And, and recently, not to
• 1:22:23
  dominate the conversation, but we saw this with Marco Rubio on
• 1:22:26
  the international stage. You're just like, That was a
• 1:22:29
  brilliant articulation of a Christian biblical worldview
• 1:22:35
  that would be fantastic for every church to have preached.
• 1:22:38
  That's right. Yeah.
• 1:22:39
  He's a good man. He's a good man.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah. He, he, he loves the Lord.
• 1:22:44
  He's a man of principle. I've got to run into him.
• 1:22:48
  And he's genuine. He's a good, good man.
• 1:22:52
  We are. And, and one of POTUS's
• 1:22:54
  superpowers is he knows how to pull in a strong team first
• 1:22:58
  term. He took a lot of counsel from
• 1:23:00
  politicians and, and, and kind of laid his own playbook aside
• 1:23:04
  to kind of because he's actually getting very humble.
• 1:23:07
  I think God sees the humility of his heart and it's why it's
• 1:23:09
  honoring him. People lose their mind when I
• 1:23:10
  say that. Have your own opinion if you
• 1:23:12
  want. I've witnessed remarkable
• 1:23:14
  humility in the man. I think it's witnessed in his,
• 1:23:16
  in his, in his service. But because he's humble, he
• 1:23:20
  listened to politicians, laid his own playbook aside and and
• 1:23:23
  got their butt kicked. They learned their lesson, came
• 1:23:25
  back to second term and he's run his own playbook and he's
• 1:23:28
  brought remarkable people around him.
• 1:23:30
  And Christians should be encouraged.
• 1:23:32
  There are a lot of spirit filled, Jesus loving people who
• 1:23:35
  are working hard in the White House administration executive
• 1:23:38
  team to do good for our nation, so please continue praying for
• 1:23:42
  them. Midterms are hugely important.
• 1:23:44
  We don't win the midterms, it's just going to be law, fair and
• 1:23:47
  gridlock for two years. It'll be impeachment trials and
• 1:23:50
  circus monkey trials for two years, and all the good they're
• 1:23:54
  doing will grind to a stop. Only two presidents have won a
• 1:23:57
  midterm, and it was it was Roosevelt, World War 2, and Bush
• 1:24:02
  after 911. So if you want to be a miracle,
• 1:24:04
  and that's what I'm praying for, awesome.
• 1:24:05
  Josh, you want? To close your time.
• 1:24:07
  Prayer. I love to do it.
• 1:24:08
  Father in heaven we ask in Jesus name that you would give your
• 1:24:12
  church boldness and clarity in this hour of destiny.
• 1:24:15
  Father, for those who are cowering in The Cave, would you
• 1:24:18
  cause them to hear the sound of victory on the on the mount that
• 1:24:22
  God is waiting for them to come out of their cave and charge
• 1:24:24
  into the battle? Father for those who are not
• 1:24:27
  sure what to do may with this podcast would help or coming to
• 1:24:30
  DC to an event to hear about what other pastors are doing.
• 1:24:34
  Father, would you give my my brother favor as he goes into
• 1:24:36
  this race? We know in this scenario that
• 1:24:41
  winning is obedience, not necessarily winning the race.
• 1:24:44
  So we're stepping out on obedience.
• 1:24:45
  It's going to be a tough race. Who knows where it's going to
• 1:24:47
  go, but I'm grateful for his boldness and his courage that
• 1:24:50
  I'm praying will be an example for many pastors to come in the
• 1:24:53
  near future. Thank you for Pastor Mark and
• 1:24:55
  Pastor Landon for their relentless faithfulness and
• 1:24:58
  following you. Thank you for the model example
• 1:25:00
  they are to all of us. Lord, if there's been anything
• 1:25:02
  said from me in this podcast, it would be unhelpful.
• 1:25:05
  Or just strike it from people's mind and whatever has someone's
• 1:25:08
  name on it, drive it deep into their spirit to cause them to be
• 1:25:10
  encouraged and equipped for the ongoing work of making good
• 1:25:13
  battle. For Jesus sake, we love you
• 1:25:15
  Father, Amen. Hey guys, thanks for joining us
• 1:25:19
  for the Mark Driscoll Show today.
• 1:25:20
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• 1:25:23
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• 1:25:29
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