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From ER Doctor to Functional Medicine Expert: Dr. Randall Turner’s Journey to True Health · Non-Toxic Living

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  How important are genetics for people getting well because we talk about genes and the reason I'm sick is because my genetics
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  Told me I was sick or I have a debt sentence because my mom got cancer. I'm gonna get cancer
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  So what part is genetics really play in the health decline?
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  Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's crucial. So what can you do? Well, the genetic report and powers you and I had one
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  Let you say I don't want to know my genes. I said why? She said because I just worried about them. I said, wouldn't
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  Yeah, it doesn't empower you to do something to help yourself and I told her like I now I know you know
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  You've had these genes. I can actually tell you what to do to prevent those heavy metals from crossing your blood
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  Very good detox them right you can get them out and that's where people don't really realize it
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  They you can actually change somebody's life by changing their genes for us
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  Absolute with neutral dynamics
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  So neutral dynamics changing after decades of being an ER doctor
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  What was the biggest lie that you learned in medical school that you now have to teach your patients to unlearn is that
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  Everything that you learned in medical school was correct if you want to know what the biggest I
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  I don't know if you want to call it a lie that's a misconception. I guess I would say would be that
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  Dr. Andy welcome to the show. I'm super excited to have you it's a long time coming. We we crossed we missed pass
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  About a year ago and here we are today. So a powerful message of hope and healing of transformation
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  You've a very successful clinic having a lot of really challenged cases
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  Now we might get into some of that there aren't supposed to get well but get well
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  I'm having challenges that supposedly are uncurable. You know those sorts of things but watching the body heal over and over again
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  And I think it's gonna be one of the most powerful podcasts that we have this year
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  As you bring so much wisdom so
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  Comey how you went from
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  Medical doctor to functional medicine doctor doing this type of work. All right. Well, it's a it's an interesting story
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  My wife is involved in it. So I'll get her involved in that eventually, but I was in the art physician for almost 40 years
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  And I was the ER director several hospitals works at lots of different places. So a lot of sick people
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  Loves what I did. It was very very exciting. I'm really interesting
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  And what I did because we could fix people right but there was a group of people that would come in that I could never fix because it was not really
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  ER material right so we had bones sticking out of legs
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  I could do something with that but when somebody came out of the chronic
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  Condition I really really could do much for him in resort amount of time I had
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  So they'd always ask me questions like well
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  I've been going on in a doctor for so many years
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  Can't can't you help me and it was very humbling to me to because I really didn't have anywhere to send these people
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  Because I would only tell them to go back to see their family doctor they'd been going to for so years and they couldn't get well
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  And so it was a frustrating time when we were trying to see those kind of patients
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  I loved doing the trauma do that
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  I loved doing all that but those cases were really challenging but in my heart is still I had a passion for those people
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  And I felt bad for them because I see them over and over again coming back to get help and they couldn't get help
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  And so a family situation came up and
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  This was the part that really turned that turned the corner I guess you might say
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  One day my wife came to me and she said Randy you're a good doctor. Can't you help someone in our family?
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  And I said well sure well what do you want me to do and she said
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  Well my our grandson obviously he's must be on the spectrum
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  He might be autistic. He's not acting right he walks
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  On his tiptoes. He doesn't talk to people. He's often his own really doesn't interact with anybody
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  Not talking normally and he should be at this age and so you sent your doctor
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  Can't you help him and and I said well, I'll tell you why with my history
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  I was an analytical chemist on you had to do research. I said I'm gonna do some research
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  I'll go down a rabbit hole. It's not an ER thing we can fix in the emergency room
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  But I'll definitely get down that down that pathway. So I did and I started studying some things and
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  A couple weeks went by we were sitting at the dinner table when my wife says well
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  Would you find out and I'm like unfortunately Cheryl? I really don't have anything to tell you
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  I mean you can get in drugs. It might be able to help out a little bit
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  But they're really not gonna be any cure for this and she looked me staring at it like I'm looking at you
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  And she said I'm not gonna accept that and I said well, what are you gonna do?
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  And she's like well, I'm gonna study natural medicine because I think that might be able to do something with that
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  And I'm like well, okay, you go for it girl. I'm all for you do it. All right
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  So I'm very skeptical. I was I was a traditionally trained doctor or really kind of didn't get down that pathway
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  I was very doubtful that she's gonna find anything. So
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  Little by little
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  She was studying at night. She'd wake me up at three o'clock in the morning sometimes that she will get a kick out
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  This is me telling this story because she'd wake me up and say hey, I just learned something about the mitochondria
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  I need to I need to talk to you about that. I said Cheryl
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  I'm trying to sleep. I gotta get up and go to work in a morning. Can you just wait it?
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  And though I'm excited about it. She the more she learned it was just exciting
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  And she started doing little things with this child that
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  Was helping him a little by little. I would say that
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  Slowly he began to get better. He began to walk normally talk normally
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  Begin to interact with us and over a period of a few months
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  He was no longer on the spectrum
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  And that's for my curiosity to the point that I was like oh my gosh. We there's something to this
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  Yeah, there's something there. Yes, and so I
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  I got very interested then and finding out what she was learning and
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  Some of the things she I'd never heard about you know when she was talking about some of those topics
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  I never heard about them because that's not in the traditional world
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  And so I began to look for a fellowship and
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  Some kind of a medicine that would help me to get training to do what I needed to do to help people like that
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  And that's where it all turned and I enrolled in an integrated medicine fellowship out in San Diego and we
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  completed that and a couple years a lot of a lot of training a lot of things I've never heard before
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  And
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  Quite honestly it was it was for a while it was a little bit
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  Concerning because I was a little bit depressed because I felt like a lot of things I learned I needed to relearn
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  In a boy that was actually could help people and so that's what we did
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  We opened up a clinic one day where you think and we could help other people not just our own family
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  And we opened one day a week and we were sharing an office with another doctor and
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  We got really busy really fast and we ended up pushing him out of his office basically
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  And so I said well, we can't do that
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  We need a bigger space and so we met her to another town and we opened up a clinic in that town and
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  And now it's just blossom and we've seen people from all of the United States coming to see us and
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  We have two people who come from Germany. You see us just to do things to get them well
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  Which nobody else can help to help get them well. So that's the story. That's a great story
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  And I remember when I was sick I would have
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  I
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  Would have done anything to find
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  A Cheryl and a doctor and I would have done anything because I was desperate and I
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  And this is was 20 years ago
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  So I don't even know if you were doing this work them probably not
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  And so there wasn't very many people and the ones that we're doing it
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  We're really labeled as quacks. So you were afraid and they were suppressed and so we were
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  Running all over the country trying to get well going to shoemaker and you know that
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  Andrew Cutler's protocols for heavy metals and like all all the rabbit holes, right
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  And the chronologist anything to just to get well and it took me
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  Yeah, I got good eight years five years for sure
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  And you're you're seeing turn around six months. Yeah, you know, it's amazing
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  I mean we the people that come to us all have a similar story basically this is like you
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  I mean they they've been to many places
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  I mean, it's unusual to have some a travel across the country from California to come to West Virginia to see a doctor
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  It's you know
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  That's doing something that we're doing and they set there in front of me and I say why did you come so far?
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  Got to be people doing what you do there
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  Or what we do there and and they say oh they always have a similar story like no
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  I I knew somebody that came to you that they were not well and I have a similar story that they do
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  And they're better now and I want to do better and I've been to all the doctors in my community
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  And I don't know what else to do. So I'm coming to you
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  You got to help me right and so it's very helpful and I would have done. Yeah, and that's what they do
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  And it's a very humbling but very rewarding as well the transition period between
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  Being in the emergency room and transitioning to this new business was very interesting
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  I had doctors that would come up to me and the hallway at the hospital and say things like why do you how come you never sick
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  I could sick all the time. I had to flew every year of the fluke suit and why why don't I can be never sick
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  And I would say well, and I had the same story to everyone I said my medicine's different than your medicine
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  That's what I would tell them and that was further interesting. What do you mean all that?
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  You know
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  I've always tell them that well what I do is different because obviously I don't believe in the in the germ theory
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  I believe in the train theory. I believe your train is healthy. You can even say healthy
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  And it's funny now because those doctors now are my patients. They come to me and I take care of them
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  And they they don't get sick like these anymore
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  And it's funny because all the all the different healthcare providers that are now rolling in the door
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  I never anticipated that to happen and when you mentioned something like well, you know, you know
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  Some controversies or something that might be you know, I saw that you're gonna talk about that
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  People looked I'll figured people look at me like I had a third eye on my head honestly in a medical world
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  But how many healthcare providers are coming to me now? I have endocrinologists that come in
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  I have a gastroenterologist. I have internal medicine docs that come to me family practice docs
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  nurse practitioners car practice dentist. They're all coming
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  And they know their system is broken and we're getting results that they can't get and when you ask them
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  Why did why do you come here? And they always say well, you know, I can't get better
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  You know, I'm doing everything on the night of the world and then to do them one two pills. We can't get better
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  Yeah, taking pills do it. It's a fact though. Like if it's medications do not cure no very rarely
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  No, it's it's it covers up symptoms. Yeah, that's what they're designed for. Well, that's what you're taught to do
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  Like when you're in medical school they when you get the book the pharmacology book
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  It's everything from that point forward has a pill that's connected to symptoms
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  And when you somebody comes in with the symptom if you told me look
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  I've got hypertension is a mumbrenical brain says I'm thinking beta blockers calcium channel blockers as inhibitors
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  This is the way my brain thinks because I've been trained to do that
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  But that's not really getting to the root of the problem, right?
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  So it's not really cosmetic. No, it's like seeing a tire that's going flat in your car and you keep hitting air in it all the time
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  I mean, you never fix the hole, right? So you've got to you got to fix the hole to keep them had to put air in the tire
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  But doctors aren't trained to do that
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  So I have that exact question, but I want to ask you this
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  This question because this this has been bugging me. There's this theory
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  That Rockefeller
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  after he lost a monopoly on oil
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  He thought about this and he's like
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  Well, maybe I can
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  manipulate medicine and he started using petroleum-based drugs and then took over the colleges and
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  Pushed down naturopathic medicine or biology. Do you is there science behind what he did is true?
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  Well, I believe it's true. I mean, I believe that there's if you dig far enough down the path
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  You'll find that there are there is science behind that and I've been told that you know in my training
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  I was told the same thing you know like the in the 1920s
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  I believe is when that all started and anyone that was
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  Curing people without the use of these so-called petroleum products or drugs is to call them
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  Those were doc those people were were chastise basically were were made to be looked at like they were
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  Witch doctors or snake royal pushers or something of that nature. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it's absolutely true
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  That always bugs me because I mean if you look at it from a money standpoint of course it makes sense like
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  Especially then Monopoly's he already did it and it's how can I do what made me a lot of money and do it again and use my influence
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  So it makes sense that he would do it
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  It's true. I don't know if he's looking that it was evil or whatever
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  I you know, it would make sense that he would do something like that based
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  Past behavior is your best predictor a future behavior
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  That's Rockefeller definitely had a some behavior of Monopoly's
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  He was a smart guy. Yeah, right in the amount of manipulate things including businesses
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  And that's exactly what he did, but the tides are turning the things are changing the pendulum as swung in the opposite direction
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  And it all started listen. It's been coming for a while. Yeah, but man COVID that really kicked it in a gear
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  Yeah, people did wake up after they woke up like wait a minute like everything that you were telling me
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  You know wasn't necessarily true. Absolutely
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  And in many cases. Yeah, right and people that are so tired of not getting well
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  You know, I've been in the hamster wheel of the medicine go the doctor for five or ten minutes
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  Get your prescription go the pharmacy
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  Go back to the doctor in three months. It is anything over and over again. You're in the hamster wheel
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  You can't get out of it. Yeah, and and unfortunately those drugs that are there doing those and keeping people in the hamster well
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  That's that's basically like the the gas station attendant that once you see the guy come put in his tire all the time
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  Right because he's paying to do that
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  And I don't I mean, I think there are doctors that have a good intention. Obviously. They probably most do. Yeah, I think they do
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  Yeah, it's just unfortunate that the training you know now you see Robert Kennedy
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  You know pushing for nutrition training in medical school my gosh
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  We and he's getting in trouble for it. So but this is this is my question. This is my burning question especially right now
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  As as these truths are coming out
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  like
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  That this drug like ivermectin or whatever could have been helpful in covid and masks weren't really effective and any
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  virologist would say if it was
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  You know the types of masks you'd have to be the right one because it would just go right through but but there was they had reasons
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  They had the reasons yeah, but the the challenges is when the truth comes out that these drugs do help or this
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  This is the type of mask they should have been saying or this is the modalities
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  They should have been using and this is the medications. They should have been using during that time
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  But there's a group of people still won't believe it because they all this separation that's happening between
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  It's no longer
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  Science it's no longer what's helpful to humanity. It's
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  What's going to fit the narrative that I believe?
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  So how do we fix that in in medicine because I think that's the problem because now like rfks doing this but
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  There's psychology behind this right once you believe a certain narrative and and or over there you
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  You'll die on that sword
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  And that's unfortunate. Yeah, because I mean, I don't live my life like that
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  You know, I mean you could say whatever and I'm going to be like that's interesting like I'd love to learn more
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  Right is that really true could we have can we you know show me some so many some research and studies like let's talk about that
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  Like you might disagree
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  So how do we fix that pride? I think it's a really it's a challenging problem
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  It's because we're trying to change the narratives that's been out there for so long and it's something that
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  The people that are opening their eyes to this now the patient that come to me are these people and
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  And end doctors to now are starting to realize that's why that we end doctors as patients
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  And they're starting to realize that the system that we have now is broken and we've got to do something to change it
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  And just even to the medical schools you know going back going back to that but the curriculum
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  Where's the curriculum coming from has come from pharmaceutical companies that put the books out that tell you to
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  Think about you know drugs whenever there's a symptom. I mean, I think that's what it is
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  But yeah, I agree with you. I think it's going to be a very difficult thing to change
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  But I think I think that they're that we're right for that now. I think that can't be being in office
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  I think that that was a big step in the right direction
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  Yeah, in case he means and people are stepping up and talking at the front of Congress about and it's going to take all makers
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  I mean unfortunately, that's our democracy the way it is our our our country is but is run by you know
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  All-makers which basically make policy if I just ran into but here's the problem
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  I ran in ran into a nurse at Walmart. I had this videotaped by the way
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  Um, and she she agrees that I shouldn't be wearing plastic. She's like I'm a nurse
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  She's like this is all money follow the money trail. Yeah, right? So she believed all those things but she absolutely hates our fk
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  Absolutely hate some and things everything she's doing is going to take out America, but she has
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  But she still believed it's like oh this I've been a nurse for 25 years. I've seen people get sick
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  um, you know
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  We did agree when we were
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  Talking I'm like where can we agree right and there's some things with our fk that I you know, I mean
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  Yeah, just like I'm not I don't believe anyone blindly. I don't follow anyone. I don't know about you
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  No, I don't I don't either. Yeah, I don't believe any man. I trust Jesus Christ
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  There you go, you know, I'm a
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  I go to the source and you know, I don't there's no
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  Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a worshiper of man. Let's put it that way
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  So but he has he does have a lot of great
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  ideas and principles and
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  But there's many people believe that he's burning down the health care system in America. Oh, I've heard that before
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  Yeah, and I couldn't believe it because I mean, it's just like nutrition farming
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  I mean, it's calm. Yeah, it's so yeah, it's like getting back to nature getting back to you know
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  God's way of doing things if you will I think it's simple. I don't think it's controversial, but
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  Some people don't so that's that's that's the fight that's the challenge
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  Yeah, that's the challenge is not really a fight, but that's the challenge and my hope is
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  Is as you're on the ground floor and doing this this movement and West Virginia
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  That more and more people are are gonna see it's like it's based in the results. You can't
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  What's the saying when it comes to results? You can't you can't argue the results. No
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  And my blood work was this and now it's this you know, I couldn't walk now. I can you know, I couldn't talk
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  Now I can talk I couldn't sleep now. I can sleep over and over and over and over again
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  And that's what perpetuates the business that we have. Yeah, you know, it's funny because we had a business coach
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  And he was asking me what her marketing budget was and I said we don't have one
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  And he goes what way man? You don't market. You don't you know, spend money on marketing to get people to count
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  So you don't have to once the people that go out and talk about these things and it's life changing and what when you change
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  Somebody's life like that
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  Like they can't walk and they come in and then they leave
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  You know after a few visits and they're walking and they're doing having a normal life
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  And they no longer have the symptoms that they used to have and they're off their medicines
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  They talk. Yeah, and you can't keep them quiet. Yeah, I know when I got well. I couldn't stop talking and that that's our marketing
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  It's the people they get better and you're you're right
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  I think more and more people as they see those kind of things happen
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  It's going to continue to push the agenda down this way
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  And I think this pendulum is swinging in the right direction when someone's still sick
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  Regardless of how much they don't like someone or individual and they're suffering enough
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  Then they might be open to like oh Sally. What are you doing with Dr. Andy, you know
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  I don't like him because he's a Christian. I don't like him because he's this
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  I don't like him because he said nice things about RFK. I don't like him because you know whatever
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  But you know, but if he makes me well, I'm okay with that. Yeah, I think that's what you need to do
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  I feel like the people that are interested in what we do. I mean
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  It's like I honestly I've been in both sides of this thing
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  So I can tell you from both sides now the most rewarding thing of all is taking a patient from
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  Taking them off of medicines and getting them well and they no longer need their medicines
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  We have this jar and our office called the freedom jar
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  And in that jar, it's about this big around about that tall
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  It is all the pills that people got off of that can't do us. There's species pharmaceutical drugs
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  And we have pictures of biggest smiles in the world people dumping their medicines into that jar and they are so happy
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  And it is the stories are just amazing and I just it
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  Worms for hard to even talk about
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  I think that's one of the the power of love is is part of your medicine. Oh, I'd have to say oh no now
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  I mean and honestly going back to the way God intended us to heal
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  I mean, were you created by a creator that gave us the ability to have an immune system and to have things that work the way they do
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  We're not broken right? We're not and and honestly if you can
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  If you can go back to that go back to the maker in the way he and made you
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  To fix things and and that's what we do. I mean in and spirituality is a big part of it honestly
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  I warn I I know I know your Christian. I really um, I feel like that that's what kind of knit us together
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  You know when we first met and it keeps it's it's the thing that I can't
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  I can't put a finger on what it is every time I see somebody that's a Christian
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  But when they come to the office and they're not a Christian we talk about that
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  I think that it would be wrong for me not to bring that up when we're trying to try to heal people
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  Because I feel like that you're your mind body and spirit. You're just not you're just not a physical body
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  And without agree that other piece. It's like a three
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  It's really like it's still with only two legs. I mean you got it you got to deal with all three
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  And that's a big part of what we do and on and I think God
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  Can heal people that in prayer works. I mean we ask people you want us to pray for you. Yeah, regardless of what they believe
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  Yeah, yeah prayer always works
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  You're on the same page with me. Yeah, yeah, it always works
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  And you have to be authentic self any any time you're doing some is that hey, this is who I am
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  I want to help you you know, but I like to pray with my patients, which is like prayer
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  You know, I believe that your spirituality has a big part to do with your healing
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  So I like to help you with that as well. Yeah, you know that could um
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  mindset matters
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  I mean if you if you feel like the pay if you the worst doctor you can have the worst doctor
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  But if you believe in him
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  There's that there's studies that shows I have all of these shows that you're gonna get well
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  Yeah, you'll get you have a better chance of becoming getting well
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  And improving if you trust the doctor that you're sitting yeah after coaching and being
• 22:30
  I had a business essentially coaching
• 22:33
  functional medicine doctors how to help people
• 22:36
  and
• 22:38
  What I've saw over and over again was the confident doctors got better results. Oh, because
• 22:43
  their belief
• 22:44
  Transcended into their belief and if that patient believed or client believed in the doctor
• 22:50
  The outcomes were through the roof so those
• 22:53
  Charismatic like hopeful yeah, um powerful
• 22:58
  Doctors that spoke their mind and had and they were full of joy and they were full of love they they really had much
• 23:05
  Because you're I think it's an energy exchange right they have low energy they have a low frequency
• 23:10
  And you have a high frequency right because you you get into prayer and you're taking care of your body
• 23:15
  And you're seeing results and you just take that and you keep giving it and it keeps coming
• 23:20
  And you keep giving it energy. Yeah, and it and it flows energy medicines real
• 23:24
  That was one of the things I learned from different than traditional medicine. There's a thing called energy medicine
• 23:30
  And so you are really crazing your oxygen your energy medicine
• 23:34
  You know like you're all alone. You got all kinds of laden on the table. It's better to evaluate me after this
• 23:39
  But that's okay because obviously now we are we get better
• 23:43
  people get better and
• 23:45
  And the energy that you carry with you in the morning when we tell people to get up in the morning
• 23:49
  Look in the mirror and say it's gonna be a good day
• 23:51
  Yeah, and I'm gonna get better
• 23:53
  You know and we teach them to do that and that that that if you set the tone with that right off the bat
• 23:58
  If you get up in the morning you look in the mirror, you know
• 24:00
  Hey, everything you see and you're gonna have a bad day and and you say that
• 24:04
  You're gonna probably have a bad day. Yeah, and it's gonna be hard to get out of it
• 24:08
  And so we teach you only that and energy is important
• 24:11
  You know god created sunlight. I mean we teach you know
• 24:15
  I guess I'm a little bit of a virus in that regard. I mean sunlight and water and grounding and all those things
• 24:22
  All the things I found to work it works. Yeah, well, you know, you're at example. You're you're the guy that got better
• 24:27
  All right, so
• 24:28
  And I think that if we don't go down those pathways are missing they use chance to help people
• 24:33
  I've heard you say that most doctors look at lab results and they see normal
• 24:37
  But those normal results are actually keeping their clients sick. Can you talk about oh my gosh
• 24:42
  I think of all the things in medicine that I found to be one of the most frustrating things was once I found out that
• 24:49
  The lab work that we see every day that coming in the lab tests on the paper is being used to treat people
• 24:57
  And I mean that's that is a controversial statement probably more than anything
• 25:02
  But the reason it's very bad is because it's not really a good indication of who you are what's going on inside your body
• 25:10
  There is a little bit of help with it
• 25:12
  Just like analogy I use in my patients as I tell them that you have a gas tank in your car those gasoline
• 25:18
  But if I measure how much gasoline is in that tank if the if I turn on the switch and it goes to full
• 25:24
  Doesn't mean the car's gonna run in
• 25:27
  The same thing occurs in your body if you've got
• 25:30
  Vitamins and mineral flow around in your body and I measure them
• 25:34
  Thyroid whatever we talked about that before
• 25:37
  That doesn't mean the thyroid's functioning properly
• 25:39
  Okay, no more than the gas tank in the tank tells me if the engine's running properly
• 25:43
  So when I started to figure this out it was really
• 25:47
  There's a lot of people that say they do functional medicine right and I agree there's a lot of talk about that
• 25:52
  It's a it's a it's a talking more now and there's a lot of labels
• 25:55
  But there's very few people don't functional testing
• 25:59
  And that's there's a difference and I don't know if you know the difference
• 26:02
  The tells the difference so the difference is that functional testing looks at the way things operate
• 26:07
  Inside the body from the function of things not just looking at what's in the tank for you about does the engine run or not
• 26:13
  And we talked about thyroid in the past and and testing a thyroid by looking at T3 and T4 is not adequate
• 26:19
  I mean you can't do a TSH that comes out of the hypothalamus and I think that's measuring your thyroid function
• 26:25
  It's not
• 26:26
  But people doctors do that all the time and then you know the traditional tests will do a TSH in a
• 26:31
  In a reflex T4
• 26:33
  But T4 is not even active thyroid that's coming out of the thyroid gland
• 26:37
  But it goes from T4 down to the liver and gets coated in the T3 and they've got it in the liver
• 26:41
  And the T3 is the active form of thyroid so if you're going to measure anything at least do a T3 level
• 26:46
  And even at that though your thyroid may not still not be functioning and how many people come to me and they say look doc
• 26:52
  I have all the symptoms of thyroid disease
• 26:55
  I have brittle hair and no energy. I can't sleep well and I get all the things no sex drive etc
• 27:01
  But they've been told they have normal thyroid because your TSH is normal
• 27:06
  The same thing occurs in the blood. I mean if you if you do a blood if you get a B12 level in a patient
• 27:13
  That doesn't mean their B12 is being used properly by their body
• 27:17
  because
• 27:18
  When the body uses the B12 what's it make it makes an organic acid the organic acid can be measured from the blood
• 27:24
  Maybe that's measured that that's functional testing right
• 27:27
  This is where functional medicine separates itself from traditional medicine
• 27:31
  If you start looking at organic acid tests, methylmalonic acid for example being made
• 27:37
  In the body then you know your B12 is being used for efficiently in the body
• 27:42
  You could have as much B and I see people with high B12 levels being told don't take B12 you don't need it
• 27:48
  But their body's not using B12
• 27:50
  Is this analogy worked? So if you're your gas you have B12 lots of lots of fuel in the gas tank
• 27:56
  But there's no byproducts of that gas being burnt no then that means the the fuel isn't being used right
• 28:03
  You've got gas in the tank but if you hold your hand down at the exhaust pipe there's nothing coming out right
• 28:07
  It's not running right
• 28:08
  So whenever we are putting the hand of the gas down to the exhaust pipe that's like measuring organic acids in the body
• 28:14
  We want to know what's going on in there. I mean if you only look at blood work. It's not adequate
• 28:19
  You're gonna miss it and many doctors. Let me tell you you're being treated just by looking at blood work on a piece of paper
• 28:25
  especially
• 28:27
  That that misuse of testosterone. Oh estrogen. Oh, terrible. Progesterone and I think the hormones and
• 28:35
  Endocrine the endocrine system in general is probably one of the most misunderstood of all the systems and tested improperly
• 28:42
  by endocrinologists and gas and gas and gastronologists for liver but also for
• 28:48
  OB docs and and gynecologists because they're putting people on
• 28:53
  For example, I'll give you another example. Let's say that we give you come to me and you're a young lady and you say
• 28:59
  Hey, I need birth control
• 29:01
  And I said okay here. We'll write just script for that go get it filled
• 29:04
  How do I know that that birth control estrogen the estrogen in the birth control is not being converted in the body
• 29:09
  And it's something that's harm in that patient
• 29:11
  For example e4 e4 there are four different kinds of estrogens e1234 e4 is very harmful to the body
• 29:17
  So that's the cancer causing estrogen and there's a lot of women that come to me and they've been taken hormones and hormone replacements
• 29:25
  But never have a check to see what's going on inside the body
• 29:28
  Functionally functional medicine again to see if their body is using that estrogen properly and getting rid of the estrogen properly
• 29:36
  So they'll have high levels of e4 and the more estrogen than they get in those pills the higher their e4 is and that's very damaging to the right
• 29:44
  It's good breast cancer a variant cancer you don't cancer you name it intermediate oasis all because
• 29:51
  The doctor never checked to see what's going on inside the body functionally. It's like turning the car
• 29:55
  I'm not the garage closed
• 29:58
  So we're finishing this analogy. I like the reality. I'll to use that one after decades of being an ER doctor
• 30:04
  What was the biggest lie that you learned in medical school that you now have to un-un-teach your patients to unlearn?
• 30:11
  And that's a tough one. I would say that the biggest
• 30:15
  Why misconception?
• 30:19
  Is that everything that you you learned in medical school was correct?
• 30:25
  And it's it sounds like it's a big subject it is
• 30:28
  Because when I found out that it wasn't that that sent me down into a little bit of a spiral
• 30:34
  And it frustrated me because I don't know why we weren't taught the things that we were taught that I've learned since
• 30:40
  Medical school. I mean it makes sense to me that we should have learned those things
• 30:44
  But for example, I mean just knowing you know about functional medicine in general
• 30:49
  I mean, why don't they teach you that in medical school?
• 30:51
  Why don't they teach you that you can't just check the gas tank to find if the engine runs
• 30:56
  Right that seems so simple and logical
• 30:59
  But that's that doesn't occur so when I found out that wasn't happening and I found out I should be checking other things
• 31:05
  I even tell my doctors that come to me as patients now
• 31:08
  I tell them they say they're like well my gosh, you use the low vitamin D
• 31:12
  And they'll say well, I see patients with low vitamin D all the time. I said what how do you treat them?
• 31:17
  Oh, we give them my D2
• 31:19
  50,000 units once a week
• 31:22
  I said do you think that's helping them?
• 31:24
  Do you use anything with it? Do you give them K2? Do you give them D3? What about D3?
• 31:28
  And then the typical response I'm never I don't know what that is
• 31:32
  And so that's the stuff that really frustrated me so if you want to know what the biggest
• 31:37
  I don't know if you want to call it alive at the misconception
• 31:40
  I guess I would say would be that everything that you learned
• 31:44
  Is exactly the truth and it's really not because they teach you to use D2
• 31:49
  They teach you about TSH to check thyroid. They teach you about looking at the B12 level in the body
• 31:55
  You see if it's if it's adequate or not
• 31:58
  That and that's none of those things are true
• 32:01
  So yeah, it's the frustration. I think that's the biggest thing and then your then your clients and patients come in with
• 32:07
  those
• 32:08
  Misconceptions as well. Yes
• 32:10
  And when you start talking like this they look at you like why did my doctor tell me that
• 32:14
  Yeah, it's an it's a nerve. It's it's a nerve ring and it's it and I don't really want to step on other doctor's feet
• 32:21
  Because they're just they're just ignorant to it. They don't they don't know because they weren't taught
• 32:26
  You can't know something if you don't know right? So it's like
• 32:29
  Do you hold them accountable for that? No, I hold a system accountable for that
• 32:33
  I think that in the end, I mean that we're gonna have to change the way we do education
• 32:38
  And that's where it's gonna get better. I mean, I believe that that is one half and it's just gonna take time
• 32:43
  Yeah, we're there. So one thing you want to bring up and I'm gonna make sure before I ask you questions
• 32:47
  You have that genetics like how important are genetics for people getting well because we talk about
• 32:52
  Jeans and you know all of this and my the reason I'm sick is because my genetics told me I was sick or
• 32:59
  I have a death sentence because my mom got cancer. I'm gonna get cancer
• 33:04
  So what part does genetics really play in the health decline? Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's crucial
• 33:10
  I mean, I would say that it's probably one of the most important things that we do for patients that get so much benefit for them
• 33:16
  And to me, and I told the patient that when you come out of the womb and the babies hand it to the mother
• 33:21
  They should give you the genetic report with it for the baby
• 33:24
  I think with that you could really help that child to go through and navigate through life in a way that would prevent a lot of problems
• 33:32
  And the reason I know that is because you know
• 33:35
  genetics back when I was in medical school nobody talked much about that. I mean, we knew there are genes
• 33:40
  We knew what some of the genes were now we've mapped out the entire human genome 20,000 genes
• 33:46
  Now we're starting to learn what genes do
• 33:48
  That's the difference see because we knew what they were genes were
• 33:52
  We've got them all labeled into the names they have RSI numbers on all the things now gene expression
• 33:57
  The problem yes now we're starting to think about what genes actually how they're expressed how
• 34:02
  How you and not only that but how can you
• 34:05
  Change the expression of genes and that's the cool part about it because I can tell you a patient
• 34:11
  It comes to me and says look my I've got three family members got Alzheimer's disease
• 34:15
  I don't want to have Alzheimer's disease
• 34:17
  And I can tell you there are genes that set you up to have Alzheimer's disease these these genes which these apoe genes which trigger
• 34:25
  Dislippidemia in the brain can lead to all kind of tangles and things which we now know are associated with it
• 34:31
  And in not only that if you're a poor detox or you're a poor methylated
• 34:35
  From genetics and you can't detox well and you've got heavy metals
• 34:39
  Cross into blood brain barrier and allow them in particular
• 34:43
  What do you find in every patient all tops you that Alzheimer's is high aluminum levels?
• 34:47
  And so when you've got those genes in a family history you're high risk
• 34:52
  Yeah, so what can you do well the genetic report and powers you and I had one lady said I don't want to know my genes
• 34:58
  I said why she said because I just worried about them. I said wouldn't that
• 35:03
  What doesn't empower you to do something to help yourself and I told her like I now I know you know you've had these genes
• 35:10
  I can actually tell you what to do to prevent those heavy metals from crossing your blood barrier
• 35:13
  You can detox them right you can get them out
• 35:16
  You can quit putting them in your body
• 35:18
  Find ways to do that
• 35:20
  We know the disilluminum. We know how to help you methylate well
• 35:23
  We can help you do that if you're have disillipidemia less monitor the lipids. Let's give them balance
• 35:29
  Let's balance the cell membranes inside your brain so that they can actually do what they're supposed to do in detox or where they're supposed to
• 35:36
  That's where the genetic pieces come into play and I didn't get taught that in medical school
• 35:41
  And they already taught me about that
• 35:43
  When methylation came out and everybody started talking about methylation then you probably heard about that a long time ago
• 35:49
  It is a big piece of puzzle, but it's such a small piece of the puzzle. It's not the puzzle right a lot of people think it's that's it
• 35:55
  Right I hear these podcasters when they're talking about methylation. All we're gonna methylate everybody
• 36:00
  We're giving them methyl groups and yeah, we're gonna help them and and they become popular now
• 36:04
  They don't talk about you know that you can over methylate people and when that happens they're not happy
• 36:10
  You know I had one poor fellow that's tried to help himself by going down to herd of podcas and went down about a bunch of B vitamins
• 36:16
  And over methylated and end up in the emergency rooms attack a cardia in an anxiety, you know panic attack and oh, I've done that
• 36:25
  I've done high-dose hydroxychobalamin sublingual and I'm like there you go a little a little a little was good and
• 36:32
  Too much it does
• 36:34
  Yeah, a little bit anxiety and get attacked worry him, but I'm like what did I do?
• 36:37
  It's like I overdid it yeah, so these other genes
• 36:40
  So you're just talking about MTHFR must the most popular one gets all the press but there's many others
• 36:45
  There's MTHFS there's there's so many other parts of this puzzle that you can put all together
• 36:51
  And to know how to use that really is important
• 36:53
  So I think when you do genetic testing one people you have to really go over with them to the point that they understand it
• 37:00
  You can't just send them a video and say watch this video and you're gonna get it that that just doesn't work
• 37:05
  You have to show them where this how this fits into your life
• 37:09
  Because it's not as simple just looking at MTHFR and saying oh, you need methyl vitamins. It doesn't it's not it doesn't work that way
• 37:17
  That's of most people are doing and that's what they're doing and there's a lot of people on it and I'm and Mitch how to say it wrong
• 37:23
  Um, and what is it?
• 37:25
  M H M T H F R M T H F R okay, I have the mother gene. Yes
• 37:32
  M T H F R why am I smashing this up?
• 37:35
  T H F R yeah, it's travel day
• 37:38
  M T H F R that's right
• 37:39
  Oh, there's so many more but they they labeled themselves. I have the M T H F R gene
• 37:45
  M T H F R
• 37:46
  Can we tell me that yeah, so that's my my whole world is broken, right?
• 37:50
  Yeah, I have the gene. That's why my life is screwed. I'm doomed. Yeah, what can I do?
• 37:56
  Yeah, well then you have to like a CO methyl transferase and all the other pieces of the both of the volume of D
• 38:01
  The genes of VDR to be D TAP VDR TAC that there's oh there's so many pieces of the puzzle that fits together
• 38:08
  The cool thing about it is you can take those genetic reports though and actually come up with actionable items
• 38:14
  And that's the thing I really like about it
• 38:16
  And that's where people don't really realize that they you can actually change somebody's life by changing their gene expression
• 38:22
  Absolutely with nutrigenomics
• 38:25
  So nutrigenomics changing epigenetics
• 38:28
  The changes in that expression. How cool was that? I mean super you're not doomed and you can you can do it with vitamins food
• 38:35
  Yes mindset. Yes grounding. Yes detox detoxing. Yeah, because having metals trigger
• 38:42
  Gene expression like crazy. Yeah, you have this freedom jar where everyone puts their meds in
• 38:48
  What is one of the drugs that was the most shocking that someone got off of?
• 38:54
  No doubt about it 100%
• 38:56
  Well, there's two. I'll give you two that the two most popular ones SSRI drugs
• 39:01
  You know these are like pros act and things like that in the second would be like pro suck
• 39:06
  You know acid blockers. So those ones. That's the two most common they get that and that what's well
• 39:12
  And then I'll say that if I had an a third. Yeah, it would be statins statins
• 39:17
  someone comes in right
• 39:19
  And you help them. Yeah, and they had this crazy drug that they dumped into the the big jar. Yeah
• 39:28
  Would you have any of those? Yeah, I mean we have a lot of not the most common up. The question was the people
• 39:33
  Yeah, so have any people like that. Yeah, so what in so I know that they're statins
• 39:38
  There's you know the the common ones on the right in the in the jar
• 39:42
  But what is some like meds that it kind of shocked you that they got off of these all Adderall Adderall
• 39:48
  Yeah, I mean these these drugs which have been they think they can't live without them
• 39:52
  Yeah, and they've been on for years and and I don't know if you know this
• 39:57
  But do you realize that SSRI drugs were never made to be used for more than six weeks
• 40:01
  And their people have been on for years and and they're dangerous
• 40:05
  I mean after a period of time they're not good for you obviously
• 40:08
  Or they wouldn't have that limitation on the amount of times they were supposed to be used for
• 40:13
  And so yeah, I mean we have patients that have all kinds of drugs that they put in there
• 40:16
  I mean you if you could name the drug they're probably one in there. I'm not kidding
• 40:21
  I mean in a way we get people off of those is kind of interesting because we use their genetics
• 40:26
  And we can tell them from their genetic report what their neurotransmitters are doing
• 40:31
  So let's say for us using a good example
• 40:33
  Let's say that you're
• 40:34
  Serotonin you're not making Serotonin
• 40:38
  So a doctor sees you and you're depressed and he says oh
• 40:42
  Warren we're gonna give you a SSRI drug. This is gonna help to keep the
• 40:47
  The Serotonin in the the synapse longer so that you will feel better
• 40:51
  Okay, so he gives it to you go on you start taking it for one week you feel better
• 40:56
  After a week is starts losing its efficacy
• 40:58
  Okay, and then what happens is you go back to the doctor and say doc is not working anymore. What do you think he does the upset?
• 41:04
  He ups it. So he gives you a bigger dose you go back and you feel a bit better for a little while longer
• 41:10
  And then you start feeling like it's not working again. Mm-hmm. So you go back to the doctor
• 41:14
  Well this time you when you go back to second time usually you're saying we're gonna change it
• 41:18
  Switched it to a different one or add to it all right, so we're gonna add another one
• 41:23
  Yeah, that's what happened
• 41:25
  So not realizing what a little bit of well brewed trend with a little bit of effect serve with a little bit of
• 41:32
  All of it. Yeah, and people are on multiple these right so they come in they have this going on
• 41:38
  We get their genetic reports back it comes back that they're not making serotonin. Okay, that's their problem
• 41:43
  They're not making serotonin
• 41:45
  So when you're taking a serotonin uptake inhibitor, but you don't make serotonin
• 41:50
  Do you see a problem? There's nothing to inhibit the uptake of
• 41:54
  That's why initially it feels a little bit better because the little bit that you might be making
• 41:59
  It helps a little bit
• 42:01
  Then over time though what happened is the drug then you hire doses
• 42:05
  What what do you get you get the side effects it because there's there's no more
• 42:09
  No, there's no serotonin. Yeah, there's no serotonin. So our job is to look at their genetics
• 42:14
  Are they making serotonin or not making it if they're not making let's not let's make them make it
• 42:19
  How can we do that we could take their genetic report and give them things like five HTP
• 42:23
  Other things which can help they stimulate their body down the pathways to make
• 42:28
  serotonin
• 42:30
  Isn't that cool so if it makes sense to me well
• 42:33
  So what you wouldn't want to do is have them doing that and being on a serotonin reuptake inhibitor
• 42:37
  You get a condition called serotonin syndrome which should be bad, but we so what we do is we start to
• 42:42
  Increase their serotonin production, but at the same time
• 42:45
  Weeding them off of their SSRI drug so they get the benefit of feeling better because they're making serotonin now
• 42:51
  Just like they were on the drug, but they can now get off the drug
• 42:55
  The thing you can't do if you can't just stop the drug. That's dangerous very bad
• 42:59
  And that's very dangerous and so we yet we've had people that come to us that want to get off these medicines
• 43:04
  And that's why the freedom jars getting told or every day is because they are and we're using genetics to help us do that
• 43:10
  I'd love to you the name that freedom jar because it is I mean being on medications
• 43:14
  Feels like you're broken and you feel like you're in chains something's wrong with it at one time
• 43:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so do you know what it feels like?
• 43:22
  I mean you feel broken you feel depressed you you're relying on a drug, you know lucky for me. It didn't work
• 43:28
  Very well, so you know, I had a 5% I must not make serotonin
• 43:33
  Well, wait, so let's say you get let's say you get on these drugs and then you don't get the benefit
• 43:38
  But you have more and more of them
• 43:40
  What is the side effect of taking these serotonin ripped? I mean, it could be suicide
• 43:44
  It can be exact it could be like it's right on the box. Yes, it tells you right on there. Yeah
• 43:50
  And so you're I consider it. Yeah, you take a patient that's already depressed
• 43:55
  You put him on a drug that has a side effect on making them be suicidal. Does that make any sense at all?
• 44:00
  No, especially if you don't know if they're not making serotonin
• 44:02
  Right, and how many doctors are checking that they're not checking it
• 44:06
  You have to check it. What it should be malpractice that you don't I think it is yeah
• 44:10
  Just like I think it's malpractice if you put people on estrogen drugs
• 44:14
  Which without checking whether they're making e4 if you're making e4 and making cancer out of that you probably
• 44:20
  That's a bad thing. Yeah, it's not good. No, there's too many things like that happening
• 44:24
  There they doesn't have to be this way. That's something really important to to think about it's before you take a medication
• 44:31
  Hmm be really damn certain
• 44:34
  That that doctor thought it through because you do need to be your own doctor. You can't just
• 44:39
  You know like we said, you know, you just can't trust everyone no matter who it is
• 44:43
  You you have to get multiple opinions. You have to really understand the condition
• 44:50
  What is this drug going to do? What are the consequences? What are some of the and with AI today?
• 44:55
  People can ask these questions, which is really nice. Yeah, that's good and they should
• 45:00
  I mean, I tell you know, I tell patients all the time what we do with science
• 45:04
  And I approve what you need. I'm just not handing you something to you try this that might work for you
• 45:09
  Yeah, I'm going to show you what you need based on science
• 45:12
  So if you have a low serotonin, I'm going to have you make serotonin
• 45:15
  I'll know if you're not using b12 so I know I can give you the right form of b12
• 45:19
  Because I did the test to show what you need
• 45:21
  And some people can get sick from certain forms right and if I give you the right kind you're going to get well
• 45:26
  Because there's science behind all that and I have the research to show you if you really want to see it
• 45:30
  I have it and I can prove it and that's why people like coming because they're getting well because they're getting results
• 45:36
  And the results come because we use science to back up everything we do
• 45:39
  This is not just pie in the sky, you know
• 45:42
  Wulu medicine. Yeah
• 45:44
  This after the energy stuff a little bit
• 45:48
  But anyway, this is why people fly from over the world to see it. It is and I I feel like that in the end
• 45:52
  The whole thing about Cheryl and Cheryl Cheryl. Well, they see Cheryl too. She's a big part of our practice
• 45:57
  I mean, I wouldn't do the one for her. I wouldn't
• 46:00
  She's the she's the driving force that you got me started. Yeah, so she has that positive energy
• 46:06
  Yeah, she's alike. So was it when Cheryl worked with your grandson and you saw that
• 46:11
  Autism reverse and was that kind of like the telltale that was the aha moment. Yeah. Yeah, it was like oh my gosh
• 46:17
  There's something to this though
• 46:19
  And uh, it was it was it happened pretty quick too. I mean it didn't it wasn't like it took a long time
• 46:24
  She started detoxing quit vaccinating them started to detox him
• 46:29
  It was like it just everything started to change
• 46:33
  And I was like my gosh, what are you doing?
• 46:35
  And she started telling all this stuff. I'm like, oh, I mean I need to learn that. I don't know. You think about that
• 46:40
  I'm a doctor. I actually know that
• 46:42
  Got like an old people and that's what that was the aha moment for sure. There's no doubt about it
• 46:47
  It was 100% what what started this practice
• 46:50
  That's that's beautiful, right? So you're a medical doctor
• 46:54
  Your wife married a medical doctor. Yeah
• 46:57
  She saw that medicine wasn't able to help her grandson but the love
• 47:01
  For that grandchild. Yeah, drove a decision. I drove it
• 47:04
  Yeah, drove a decision and didn't take no for an answer
• 47:07
  That's the power of women by the way. Yes, and we're just like
• 47:11
  Meet sacks over here, you know
• 47:14
  They they go through uh, now you guys both have beautiful hearts
• 47:17
  So and then you you you don't take no for an answer and you have hope
• 47:21
  Well, and then that
• 47:23
  So I think that's true of life, though
• 47:25
  It's like you know if you lean into something enough and don't take no for an answer
• 47:31
  You get a result and that result can change not just your life with your grandson's life
• 47:35
  But how many hundreds and now thousands of lives
• 47:40
  Based on the love so it all started in love. That's amazing. Love is the strongest medicine. God is love
• 47:46
  Yeah, I love it. Yes. Well, this is it. I listened to a song called Love is the Medicine
• 47:50
  I love it. That's a good song out there. I'm not going to listen for that one
• 47:53
  Individuals will travel across the country. Yeah, to see you. What is one of the most challenging cases that you saw?
• 47:59
  Oh, probably a vaccine injury
• 48:02
  COVID vaccine injury
• 48:04
  fellow was
• 48:06
  Telling normal working had no no medical issues whatsoever
• 48:13
  Started
• 48:14
  Was working in a job where he was was had to get the vaccine. He didn't want it his family
• 48:19
  I guess you might call it a crunchy mom and you know family was living
• 48:24
  Healthy lifestyle, etc
• 48:26
  But he had to get the he had to get the vaccine because he was
• 48:29
  He was working in a place where they they required it and so
• 48:33
  He got the vaccine. It was very short time afterwards. I'm talking and probably two weeks afterwards. He told me
• 48:41
  That he started half symptoms in the symptoms were that he he would wake up at night and he felt like he was dying
• 48:49
  And he said I've never had illnesses before I'd not had nothing and he would wake up at night
• 48:56
  And in fact, it was so bad. He wrote his wife
• 48:58
  Notes to say tell the kids a love them and you know dying and and this was totally off the wall for him
• 49:04
  This was not this is a healthy guy. He was chopping wood. He was at a camp. He was doing all the things
• 49:09
  He came to me and he was he was he was at a point where he was he was in a he was in a walker to emulate
• 49:16
  He couldn't even walk anymore. It was very
• 49:20
  heartbreaking to hear his story and his wife
• 49:24
  Lovely little wife and bunch of old children
• 49:27
  Coming with him and just in tears about how her husband is no longer who he used to be
• 49:33
  I mean, he's awake. He's he went to he had been to I think four neurologists
• 49:38
  He went and had CT scans MRIs of his brain. He went to the ER several times
• 49:43
  She'd take him to the ER when he felt like he was dying
• 49:45
  They can never find anything
• 49:48
  And it was such a challenging case because I just wondered if he would in fact he he was
• 49:53
  He was considering, you know, sending it all. He said I can't look like this
• 49:58
  Lost his job. He couldn't go back to work yet. He had a good job in a place where he was an engineer
• 50:03
  He ran meetings. He could no longer run the meetings. I mean, he just basically couldn't work anymore
• 50:07
  He could walk his life was turned upside down very challenging case and so
• 50:14
  That was a really hard one. I think I think that when he started to turn around that was that was a key
• 50:21
  Whenever I started helping this guy detox and we began to detox and we were using epinol and the these spike protein
• 50:30
  dissolving protein dissolving
• 50:32
  Supplements of different things that we gave him and he started slowly getting better and when I saw that
• 50:39
  I had hope and he had hope and so all the I want to end it all went away
• 50:44
  You know, he was a believer and we were able to talk about that and how God had a plan for his life
• 50:49
  And then this was probably not it and we were praying with them then and so he slowly but surely started turning around
• 50:56
  And he actually got better and he was able to go back to work and
• 51:00
  But it was a challenging case because he he had been to many many doctors
• 51:04
  And and that that was probably one of them, you know
• 51:07
  I get challenging cases all the time more and it because many people come to me have been to many doctors
• 51:13
  And I had one lady she said look you're the 20th doctor. I'll be into if you can help me. I'm done
• 51:18
  Right. Okay. Thanks
• 51:20
  But no pressure. No way. Okay. Uh, she had a young girl. Did you get her well?
• 51:25
  You're not you. She's her body got her dog. God helped her. Yeah. Um, I was just a hand helping to do that
• 51:31
  But yeah, she was she wouldn't come out of a room or dog or daughter wouldn't come out of the room. She was
• 51:36
  basically
• 51:38
  antisocial
• 51:40
  Uh, when she got better she posted on Facebook. This was the picture of my daughter at a restaurant
• 51:45
  And she said most people it's what's a captions on her. It said most people wouldn't think anything about this
• 51:51
  But my daughter hasn't been out of the house for years
• 51:54
  And now she is at a restaurant just something simple like that. Yeah. Now she's driving her car
• 51:59
  She's going to college. She's doing all that stuff for that she would mom never thought she would do
• 52:04
  That sounds like love is the foundation once again of your
• 52:07
  Yeah, that's very good. It's beautiful. Yeah, she was she was talked to
• 52:13
  Um
• 52:14
  Overlaid with tabbie adults you're you can really not can really
• 52:18
  Yep, I can't remain not being antisocial and not being want to be around people and
• 52:23
  Man, I I still have some of that habit
• 52:25
  Because you you develop these habits and then you're like I don't believe that now now now I'd say I guess I'm antisocial
• 52:31
  Because I just want to be home with my family. That's a good. That's a good
• 52:34
  But I had to get positive mindset like
• 52:37
  Before I came here because I used to think oh, I have to leave my family and I was in prayer and
• 52:43
  God spoke to me, you know in my heart. This is what I heard
• 52:48
  Go there and have a good time have a better attitude about it like you enjoy yourself expect miracles like don't don't go into this
• 52:55
  Like you're going to leave your family take the love of your family
• 52:58
  And what you've created and share that love and lift other people up and share the joy and share the love
• 53:04
  And that's what you guys do, you know as I glance over at Cheryl and
• 53:08
  You what soon as you walk into room you feel that you feel that anticipation and hope and love
• 53:12
  And it just exists from both of them tears flow many times from the catches that we talked to people on the day
• 53:19
  They leave with hope
• 53:21
  I just I was on a podcast the other day with a lady and she was storing that she said the only doctor ever came to the number one
• 53:28
  Pray with me ask me if he could pray with me and number two when I left there always felt like there was hope
• 53:34
  Yeah, I thought that was amazing people need hope so nicotine
• 53:38
  Is it is it is it dangerous is it safe does it help people
• 53:42
  So the literature goes back a long ways on nicotine because they've been using nicotine for a long time
• 53:47
  Yeah, they have uh, yeah, so it got a lot of bad rap whenever the the
• 53:52
  CDC has started to allow
• 53:55
  tobacco companies to add things that made nicotine
• 53:58
  We're not nicotine, but cigarettes
• 54:01
  addictive
• 54:02
  And then the thought was well it's a nicotine. That's addictive. Mm-hmm. Well nicotine is not addictive true
• 54:08
  I know do you know your body has nicotine receptors. I do know that okay. I don't know if everyone else knows that
• 54:14
  I do I know I know enough to be dangerous and when the when the nicotine receptors are occupied by the wrong things
• 54:21
  Things go sideways in your body and so
• 54:25
  Occupying it with nicotine actually can actually be beneficial for you
• 54:28
  It up regulates many things in your body through a new system
• 54:33
  Just the literature goes so far as it's for weight loss. It's for mood stabilization
• 54:39
  It's for healing. It's for pain control
• 54:41
  It's for all the things you can find just google nicotine and put that word in beside it
• 54:46
  You'll find articles to come up and show that people used to use it for those things
• 54:51
  And you know it made me think about the days whenever you know remember they
• 54:55
  talked about doctors recommended people smoke
• 54:58
  Here those days. Yeah, that can be 50s. I guess it won't remember it
• 55:01
  But I've heard it and you don't know because you went around yeah
• 55:04
  But doctors used to recommend people smoke and at that time, you know
• 55:08
  You could get your tobacco and roll your own. It wasn't like these cigarettes now
• 55:12
  They're loaded with all these chemicals. So you walk into the doctor's office and he's like I'm expressing
• 55:18
  I'm depressed. I need to lose weight in the doctor would say you need to buy you need it
• 55:22
  You need to smoke some cigarettes. What I get you some camels. Yeah, we're gonna
• 55:26
  You need to subscribe you some camels. Yeah, no, this is why doctors prescribe
• 55:30
  I don't know what I'm talking smoking and I would definitely say that nicotine can be very beneficial for people
• 55:36
  And you know what the thing that was kind of funny and I know this research came out recently that
• 55:41
  During COVID the people that you thought would be the worst because they smoked and all this stuff
• 55:47
  They didn't end up on ventilators and why was that we nobody can figure that out now
• 55:52
  We kind of know that when they were smoking and they were using tobacco that the nicotine receptors were occupied by nicotine
• 55:59
  And not by a spike protein producing garbage, right? So whenever that got into your body
• 56:05
  And it got on the nicotine receptors then yeah, you got you got a bad thing happen to you
• 56:09
  And you might end up on a ventilator in a hospital and 80% of those people died
• 56:13
  So but the people that smoked didn't do that
• 56:16
  So that was kind of interesting super anxious
• 56:19
  So for me as a doctor now to say, you know, here. I am wearing a nicotine patch
• 56:24
  It serves up some controversy and people and they say well, did you smoke?
• 56:28
  No, I never did smoke but I definitely could tell you that nicotine is important to help you with your health
• 56:34
  And I think there's a lot of people out there now that would say that if you wear nicotine patches
• 56:38
  They can actually stimulate your body to heal and be healthier and
• 56:42
  So why not? Yeah, I can't eat enough eggplant. That's for sure
• 56:47
  Where are the where do you get nicotine in nature, right besides tobacco
• 56:52
  Tomatoes, potatoes, they're in plants and but they're all nightshades. You know, eat those
• 56:58
  Yeah, we're all bad for yeah, that blows my mind functional medicine doctors
• 57:02
  They just run away from nightshades completely
• 57:05
  But if you cook the food and there's so much nutrition like in your missing out
• 57:10
  I mean God didn't make it for you to run away out the nightshade right now. Well, so it has nicotine same with CBD
• 57:16
  I mean you okay, can I have an order of supper in your body too, you know, and CBD really helped me
• 57:22
  See me my house
• 57:23
  I haven't used it in a while, but I was I overused it. I was taking high doses and I was getting tired
• 57:28
  That's like that'll do it a dinner my wife's like you are sleeping on the table
• 57:32
  I'm like, I don't want something's wrong. I'm gonna get my blood work down. Yeah. Well, I'll say this before somebody runs out and buys nicotine patches
• 57:38
  Yes, or now
• 57:41
  You have to get the right time because I'm toxic my daughter-in-law. He was this kind of funny story
• 57:46
  She heard about the nicotine patches and she's like I'm gonna get me some so she goes out before we could get over her
• 57:52
  And she goes and buys herself some down a CVS
• 57:55
  She's sick as a dog right she puts it on she's sick. She's ready throwing up. I mean just really miserable
• 58:01
  My wife goes up to the house where she's at and says I'm like what I'm wrong with you
• 58:05
  And she told her she had the nicotine patches and she said let me see those
• 58:08
  She looked at the ingredient list has got all these chemicals in just like it would be if you're smoking cigarettes, right
• 58:14
  And it's all these chemicals are added to a trilline-based carcinogenic hormone
• 58:19
  So there are certain brands that are good and so I'm that are really not same with CBD
• 58:24
  I would say that's what we've been using and I haven't had any side effects from it at all
• 58:29
  What has it improved your health? Oh, I think I have so much more energy when I use it
• 58:34
  That's the main thing I noticed I haven't been using it long
• 58:36
  We just started doing this recently, but I can tell you for sure definitely increase your energy
• 58:40
  So long haulers are getting their taste and smell back from taking nicotine
• 58:44
  Yeah, you get in the nicotine at displaces
• 58:47
  I guess it's a spike protein or whatever's on those receptors. I mean they get your smell back and taste back
• 58:52
  That's amazing. That's a huge find. You know so many people are gonna be sharing that. Oh, they need to yeah
• 58:58
  That's awesome and nicotine is giving you energy just make sure you get organic and all that are used with the right
• 59:02
  Clove oil and essential oils and not a bunch of petroleum-based hormone disrupting compounds, but right nicotine can be really helpful
• 59:09
  This is share that share that yeah share share that with people. Yeah, same. He lost their taste and smell the same as
• 59:16
  With CBD CBD can be really helpful for people, but there's a lot of garbage on the market. Yeah, and
• 59:21
  Can be contaminated with heavy metals
• 59:24
  Ham is one of the plants that it takes everything out of soil. It's a it's a bioremediator
• 59:29
  It does and set some flowers. You don't get the right product from the right soil
• 59:32
  So when we made our own CBD products, I had to do that remember the landlabel gums. Yeah, so we made our own price
• 59:37
  We tested the soil for we sent it away tested for 2,500 different contaminants found clean
• 59:44
  soil at least as much as you can you know everybody's fallen out of the air now
• 59:48
  But and then getting the product made in the right with the right at the right terpenes, right?
• 59:53
  CBD's terpenes are key. Yeah, CBD is not just CBD. You see me G there's CBN. There's all different kinds of terpenes in there
• 1:00:00
  So that's the right kind and you gotta find something that's really quality a good full spectrum. Yeah, yeah
• 1:00:05
  CBT is really helpful. So we got to wrap up. It's been wonderful having you on the show your great friend
• 1:00:12
  Remember the landlabel you're doing so it's someone wants to to find you guys and they want some help
• 1:00:17
  How could they find you? Probably the internet
• 1:00:20
  uh, www.integrativewellnesswv.com
• 1:00:25
  As a good way to find this our phone number is 304 808 695
• 1:00:30
  Reach out
• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:35
  I love it. Well, thanks for being in a day traveling
• 1:00:38
  To to be here with me and
• 1:00:40
  All these other great doctors
• 1:00:43
  Cheryl you're on next
• 1:00:45
  We're gonna do a podcast. Yeah, so thanks again for being here and look forward to having me on the show again. Love it. Thank you