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#252 - Wrapping up 2023 · Identity at the Center

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This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with
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IAM, this is the go to podcast now your hosts Jim McDonald and
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Jeff Stedman. Welcome to the Identity at the
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Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim.
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Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you?
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Oh, not so bad yourself. Good.
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But I think it's, I think we should be honest with our
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listeners, right? Never.
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No. Yes, of course.
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This episode was not planned. Nope.
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We came to the realization today that we never closed out for the
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year on a previous podcast, so we had to do one more episode,
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you know, with our predictions for next year and all that good
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stuff. Yeah.
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So it's Monday, December 11th. Or like, wait, like we recorded
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a couple of episodes and like, we never closed it out.
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It's like, we should probably do something.
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You just want to do it right now?
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Yeah. OK.
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That's how this episode came together.
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We literally just put this together, like, you know, the
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last 10 minutes. And yeah, here we are recording.
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Yeah, well, we're we're busy fellows too.
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So we looked at our calendar over the next week and was like,
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yeah, we can't do it anytime, but right now.
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So do you want to do it now? The show must go on.
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Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it live.
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Yeah. I think we'll probably kind of
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start with a, I guess, recap of the year, the year in summary,
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Did you know we put out 59 episodes this year?
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That's more than 1A. Week.
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It's mind boggling, yeah. It is crazy.
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And the way we were able to accomplish that primarily was
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because of the conferences and all the great guests who joined
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us throughout the year. And I think the other thing is
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the motivating factor of people letting us know that they
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listen, they enjoy the show. They really liked hearing from
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this guest or that guest. And you know, I that's what
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that's what motivates us. Yeah.
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That and the the love of my own voice.
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I'm just kidding. I hate my voice.
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No, it's very it is very, very nice to get compliments and
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stuff like that. When people say oh hey listen
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and blah blah blah, that's pretty cool.
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Had my first, you know, in the real life consulting someone
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recognize my voice of like on the podcast and I was like, oh,
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that's kind of cool. I definitely look good in front
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of my bosses, which was super nice.
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Yeah, well, it's also weird that, like, somebody recognizes
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your voice. Like usually people are like,
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oh, I remember everybody's face, but never remember everybody's
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name. But to recognize somebody by
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their voice, that's pretty. Cool.
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Yeah, it's pretty neat. It is what it is.
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We doubled our listeners again. This marks the, I guess, 4th,
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3rd or 4th year that we've kind of done this year end recap.
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We started this thing 4 1/2 years ago.
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We doubled yet again and all with 0 advertising budget.
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We don't advertise, it's all word of mouth.
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So thank you very much to everyone who shares the show,
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comments, subscribes, right, All that good stuff.
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Yeah, and we're we're now on YouTube too.
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So and we are caught up too. Yeah, the real point of YouTube
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is that we know that so many people use YouTube for getting
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their podcasts and it's really like you know, the the one stop
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shop for a lot of people. So we have to be there.
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But I would say even if you're not following us on YouTube, I
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think we've we've done a really good job in terms of making our
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presence known. So you can find the show in your
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podcast app, but if you go into YouTube, you also type out the
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full identity at the center before the show pops up.
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So if folks get a chance to go out there and subscribe and like
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some videos, that would be appreciated.
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Yeah, just another Ave. for people to listen.
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We want to be where you guys want to listen.
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So hopefully that makes sense. We're, I feel like we've got the
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podcast audio side, if it worked out.
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Most people are listening on Apple.
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I mean just from a metric standpoint, you know over half
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our audience is on Apple with Spotify being a very distant
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second and a whole bunch of everything else.
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But YouTube's growing and I'm a I'm a YouTube premium person,
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like based on YouTube running all day.
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So I figured I'm like. This close to getting YouTube
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Premium. I'm I love YouTube and I'm so
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sick of the ads they run because I don't know if regular TV does
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this as much or not, but the YouTube you get you getting the
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same advertisements over and over and over.
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I see that a lot on Hulu. The same commercial over and
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over again drives. Me crazy.
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But I mean, you can't be premium on on every platform, yeah.
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Well, I mean, you could, but then you're back into the old
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days, right? Where like why do I have cable
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subscription? Like I don't want the channels I
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want. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah.
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But it's it was a great year. I think getting to the
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conferences we were talking about and being on stage, you
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know it authenticate we're on the keynote stage.
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I was nervous as heck being on the keynote stage.
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Everybody's like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, like
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even giving a presentation in front of a small group.
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But I think I mentally psyched myself out that there's like
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hundreds of people out there. The good thing was the the
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lights were shining so bright in our face, I really couldn't see
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how many people were out there. I blacked out.
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Kind of like that scene from old school where I think it's was it
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Will Ferrell? He answers the question right.
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And I was like, I got no response.
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I'm like, what just happened, right?
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I think it was, you know, at that point it was just not
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audible. That was James Carville, who was
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like, I have no response, the mouth of the South.
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That was a fun conference. Definitely looking forward to
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trying to do something like that.
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We have some ideas. We've been working with Adrian.
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I've been working with Adrian. I haven't.
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I don't think I've shared them with you yet, but I think you'll
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like it. Some ideas on what we might do
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for Authenticate next year, So that'd be kind of cool.
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We were at Identiverse. We did some live podcasting sort
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of in between like the I guess like the Expo hall and like the
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the keynote room. But it was fun having people
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kind of walk by. I think one of the things that
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we heard is feedback was people couldn't hear us, which I
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totally get. We haven't figured out how to
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like amplify our voices and not ruin the recordings.
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So but that was kind of neat, having people kind of come
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through and having sort of like this rotating set of guests that
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you had lined up to kind of come in and sit for 15 minutes and
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then someone else would come in and things like that.
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That was kind of fun. Yeah, yeah, I know it was very
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fun. Yeah, I I think one of the
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things that would be really cool would be to be in the Expo hall.
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So if you could stop by and just drop in for a chat, my worry is
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that it would be just too much background noise.
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Be difficult to hear without like speakers and I don't know I
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mean I'm. I'm we're gonna try and figure
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out a way to do that. We might do something like that
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at like Authenticate for example.
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That's one of the ideas we've had.
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So if you're interested in having more of identity the
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center at these conferences, reach out to the conference
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organizers let them know. Right.
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That helps, helps us. We're generally working with
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those kinds of folks anyway. But you know the more people I
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think the better kind of helping articulate that.
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But it is not a it is not an insurmountable problem.
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I'm sure we will figure it out at some point we read Gartner.
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This was kind of a personal highlight for me was presenting
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at Gartner. I know we didn't present right.
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We did our sort of on stage interview and kind of like the
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podcast style with Henrique and Becky.
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I just had such a good time with it and it was kind of a, you
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know, one of those bucket was that was like hey present at
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Gartner, right. Was kind of one of those things
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I never really thought would be on the list, but we got it done.
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Yeah, I mean, one of the things that really jumped off for me
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was that you were kind of like you were built for that moment,
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man. You was like you were in your MC
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zone. Well, yeah, I guess behind the
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curtains I would go back. Behind it was, I was the healthy
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one, and you were the one that was sick as a dog or not feeling
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well or something. And so I was like, all right,
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well, we'll do it live. We figured it out.
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That's right, I forgot. And you had the whitest shoes
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ever. I remember that.
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Oh yeah, I was. I mean, I was dressed to the
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hilt, but I forgot I actually had to have a traveling nurse
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come to my room and hook me up to an IV.
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And I swear to God, I hadn't. I didn't have any alcohol.
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I wasn't hungover. I just ended up with some kind
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of, like, flu or COVID or something.
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But I was like, there's no way I'm going to lose.
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Some COVID on the stage, yeah. I don't know what it was, I
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never heard any feedback like but.
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You never tested when you did the testing.
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No, no, I definitely didn't. Yeah, Don't.
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Yeah. So don't do that.
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Don't be that guy that. Shows up.
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Don't be that guy, No. So conferences were definitely a
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highlight. I think a highlight also is
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that, you know, we've kind of like started this year, but
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really I think it's going to take off next year in terms of
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the sponsored episodes. Yeah.
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Sponsor. Spotlight.
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Sponsor. Spotlight.
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So I mean, that gives us an opportunity to, I mean, some of
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those episodes, one of the episodes really is already
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dropped now, right? Yeah, it came out last week.
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If you're listening, obviously this will go out on December
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18th. That's planned.
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So the first one would have hit was it Wednesday, December 13th,
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I think it was, yeah, with Sunri security, which was a lot of
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fun. I enjoyed doing it and kind of
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collaborating with them and and the idea is that it's this show
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on Mondays that we typically do our vendor neutral.
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This was an idea and an opportunity to get more vendor
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and product specific and ask some of those questions and sort
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of collaborate with them on sort of you know, ideas for for
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topics and stuff like that. So that's sort of the intention
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of it. But yeah, maybe we'll see more
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of these in the future, but these are in addition to our
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normal stuff. So I I call them like bonus
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episodes, if you will. Yeah, no.
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And I I mean, I honestly don't think they're going to feel like
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commercials. I think they're going to be
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informative. One thing I cannot stand is when
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I'm listening to a podcast that I like and it's just like
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commercials, you know, like right in the middle when it's
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getting to the good part. Like now I'm going to make you
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listen to two minutes of commercials about like a new
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mattress or something like that. And I just don't like that.
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Yeah. So podcasts cost money.
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And one of the things that we started again is that sponsor
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Spotlight kind of help with some of those costs.
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But before anybody thinks this is a cash grab, what we're
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actually doing is in the process of setting up a nonprofit
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associated with this podcast. So I have an application open
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with the IRS. I'm waiting to hear back.
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Still, I was kind of hoping to be able to announce it by the
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end of the year. Maybe I'll be able to announce
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it when we come around back from the holiday break.
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But yeah, that's the intention is to basically form a nonprofit
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that will help keep this channel, this podcast funded,
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help defray some of the costs and expenses that we've had over
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the years and keep us going to conferences and things like
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that. Well, what I'm really hoping to
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do is go to a conference in Europe or something we're.
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Going to need more sponsor spotlights to get.
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That done a lot of them. Yeah, but that's the intention.
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So we've gone 4 1/2 years without doing a commercial or
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taking a dime from anybody, with the exception of travel
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expenses, which are typically paid by our employers.
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So shout out to RSM who has been super supportive of all this And
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then we work with conferences from time to time, right, to
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kind of promote that and usually for that is we get like a a
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conference pass right, to be able to attend, stuff like that.
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So hopefully this will help keep us on the right side of that
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vendor neutrality and not see this as like a a money making
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venture, but that's really the intention.
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I'm kind of excited to like hey, you know, we've started a
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nonprofit, hopefully we get approved.
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If we don't, I'm sure I will complain about it in the new
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year and figure out we need to do to reapply.
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But that is the intention for this.
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Yeah that's pretty awesome and I think it you know it allows to
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keep making content keep I mean keep getting the technology that
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makes One of the things that I think is I want to point out and
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like applaud you for pat you on the back for is like our early
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episodes. I mean, we were recording on
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like teams and they were they they sound like poop.
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I mean, they sounded like a guy in his basement with zero
12:20
treatment, like literally hard surfaces everywhere on a
12:23
condenser microphone. Yeah, talking into Zoom and on a
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single track. And yeah, now here we are with,
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you know, I've definitely got a lot of gear.
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You're starting to build up the gear.
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I'm going to get you caught up at some point here.
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But yeah, yeah, well, I'm not a gear guy like you, but I don't
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also do all the editing like you, so it is important for you
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to have it. Yeah, if you've ever been on the
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show as a guest and you're listening, you know before we
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hit record that I am constantly like checking audios.
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Like Nope, you're you're too close to the mic.
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Turn down your game. Like, I'm definitely very
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particular, but the whole goal is right, to make this sound
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better. So, so yeah, that's it's with
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it's with the love. Yeah.
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So I guess most people have tuned into this episode to hear
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about identity and access management.
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What do you think? Yeah, probably.
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I was about the last couple minutes self congratulating
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ourselves and talking about sort of the future.
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We wanted to make this a relatively quick episode and
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kind of tie it out for the end of the year.
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Came up with a speed round of questions to ask each other and
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kind of interview each other on. I'm going to jump right into it.
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The first question we came up with is and mostly you came up
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with these is who are your identity heroes?
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Jim, you go. Well, I don't want to, you know,
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keep saying this, but you know the person, the first person
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that came to mind when you asked that question or when we started
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talking about that was Vittorio Bertucci.
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And he just was somebody who exemplified, I think, what many
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of us strive for, which was, yeah, the guy was brilliant,
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yeah, he was an excellent communicator.
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All those things that you'd want to have from professional
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persona, but he's a real human being and that's why I think
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everyone is like so upset with the loss of him this year.
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So hey, being that this is our last episode of the year, I
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wanted to bring it up one more time that, you know, he's
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definitely probably at the at the top of the of the hill for
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me. You got anybody?
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No, I think Victoria was a good pick.
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I think the word that I always think of when I whenever I
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talked with him was just he was so magnanimous, generous with
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his time, super gracious, always, you know, had something
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to say and opinion and was never mean or condescending or
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anything like that. Even if I asked a stupid
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question, you know it was just just a solid guy and you know
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the industry is is going to miss him sorely.
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Yeah, I would. I would do want to honor roll,
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mention a few other people. Enrique from Gartner is somebody
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that I follow on LinkedIn that we've obviously know him as a
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friend now, but I just think he's, you know, shaping opinions
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and really influential and it's like he puts out a post like so
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many people respond, you know, definitely David Mottie,
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definitely Ian Glazer, Cyrus Suchetti, Pam Dingle.
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Those are a few people that come to mind that I just admire.
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You know what they've what they're doing for the industry
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and kind of the influence and impact they have on the
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industry. Yeah, I look at a little bit
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different way, I think of the people who are willing to put
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themselves out there, maybe it's, I guess, pretty close to
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what you were saying. I mean, there's a lot of good
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identity content creators out there.
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I mean, I feel kind of weird saying we're content creators,
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but that's what we do. That's what this industry is.
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I think of people like Andrew Chanthorphone, who is putting
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himself out there. He's done LinkedIn stuff.
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He's done YouTube stuff right. It takes guts to put yourself
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out there and to keep doing it. So all the memes you mentioned,
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plus that. And I really like the way Andy
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Hindel approached Identiverse this year.
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And I was at the Identiverse regional event in New York City
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a few weeks ago. I thought it was great.
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There needs to be more of those. For the first one, it was really
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well run. I'm sure it'll get even better.
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But you know, my feedback was positive.
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I had invited a couple of folks that I knew in the area too as
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well. They enjoyed it as well.
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So I really interested to see how how Identiversity evolves
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beyond just one Big Bang in the summer or whatever it is, which
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I still think is important and good, but into maybe having
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these smaller regional events that people who can't travel,
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you know, long distances are able to take part in the in the
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industry. Yeah, actually, it's
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interesting. When you started seeing that, I
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was thinking where you're going with it is the everyday people
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who are out there solving identity challenges.
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And I was thinking the Clark Kent of the world, you know, the
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people who, they rip their shirt open and then they are Superman
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or Superwoman underneath. So yeah, pretty cool.
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I mean, Yep, those folks are the everyday heroes too.
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They don't get the spotlight as much, but they're doing the
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doing the job. Real work by real people.
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All right, next question. You can take this one.
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All right, Next question I had was, and now I'm like sitting in
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the dark, so I'm having to move my I I was on a kick today.
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I wrote things down on paper. I know you said that and I was
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like, right? Paper.
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Are you familiar with paper? It's, yeah, this ancient
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material. I can't leave my handwriting,
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but that's why. That's why I don't write on
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paper so it's easier. It's easier and faster for me to
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type. Mine's getting really bad.
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What's the most important new technology in digital identity?
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AI 100% for me, it's AII think it's going to be a massive shift
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for us. You're already seeing, you're
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already seeing it in products and I mean the new AI,
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generative AI, not AI machine learning which has been around
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for a while. What about you?
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I was going to go with ITDR. Because I really think that, and
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this is my reasoning is I think that identity is always been
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around. Who has access to what I think
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the the next frontier is and what are they doing with it.
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I've said that a few times on the show.
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And I think when you know what's being done with an account and
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then you can spot anonymous behavior and you can then take
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action to shut down the account or you know, at least pause
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things. To me that's that's that next
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frontier. I hate that it still relies on
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logs and I think logs. You know, one of the things I
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think that's so great about cloud platforms is that they log
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things centrally. And when you're talking about
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traditional enterprise IT, you've got logs everywhere And
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without having one picture of everything, all thing, knowing
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all things at all times everywhere, then you've got a
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major shortcoming and you can't rely on it.
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So anyway, I do think that space and whether or not it continues
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to evolve and change names, which I think that's a sign of
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success, right. Identity governance and
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administration was identity administration and governance at
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one point. So it's like these names
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transform over time at one time. It's called identity management.
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So kind of the same thing in a way it's done a little bit
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differently. But yeah, so that's it for me
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all. Right.
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I mean I feel like ITDR is just the again that evolution of
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UBAUEBA over time which I got it, it's important.
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I think it's, I think it's still it requires you to have
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technologies and logs in place already And so that's the way I
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look at it. I don't know if, I don't know if
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I necessarily think it was like a new thing.
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I think it's just an evolution, but hey, that's our
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personalities and how we think about things.
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Kind of like how would you like to be prepared if you were a
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potato, right? We each have different answers
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to that, you know, we think about it from different
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viewpoints. Completely different viewpoints,
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so I I think we should end the show with the answer to that
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question. I think we've already answered
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it, but we can, I'll try to make a note, if you're if you
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remember when we come back to that next question, what will AI
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mean to identity in five years. So I've already said that I
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think it's the most important thing that came out of the year
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this year, at least for me. Where do you see AI taking
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identity in five years? I think AI could move quick
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enough that basically deployment of AI and integration with
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connected systems could be highly automated using AII think
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that's where AI really needs to head is that, you know, people
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don't have to do all the things that they do today to connect
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systems, to deploy functionality and all that.
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You should be able to tell the AI interface what you want to
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happen, and then it figures out how to do it and makes it work.
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It's. Not going to be great for system
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integrators and implementation teams and things like that.
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I think we're five years. Yeah, I think that's, I think
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it's doable. What I'm concerned about is
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we're talking about an AI configuring your security
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infrastructure. So you better make sure that
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those configurations are solid and that they're not, you know,
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incorrectly configured. So what happens if you go off
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and buy a tool that requires low code, no code, but you actually
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do need to do some coding and you don't have those
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capabilities in inside, you know, you don't know the product
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or whatever it may be. I think.
21:43
I think there's still going to be a space for that kind of
21:44
thing. But I I think your head, I I
21:48
think you're thinking already kind of where I was thinking as
21:50
well is more of a Clippy on steroids, a wizard on steroids
21:55
approach where instead of you know keywords now it's actually
21:59
trying to infer it from the language.
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But I think this is again where I see product specific AI and
22:06
I'm specifically referring to generative AI in large language
22:09
models and that being a secret sauce for identity companies.
22:12
Is the sale point AI better than the Sabient AI?
22:17
Is the Microsoft AI better than the Octa or Ping AI at doing
22:22
those things? I think that'll be a key
22:23
battleground that will sort of emerge over the next few years.
22:28
Yeah, I think what's going to happen, if you look further out,
22:31
it's AI plus quantum computing, and it can completely
22:39
revolutionize how things get done now.
22:43
I might be retired by then, so and I would be OK with that.
22:47
Let's. Try rail that around it.
22:49
I think, I think honorable mention here would be for self
22:54
sovereign Idi really just see that people aren't going to want
22:58
to carry wallets with cards in it and cash and things like
23:04
that. They just want to carry their
23:06
one device. I don't really think the phone
23:09
form factor is going to go away. I think it'll get lighter and
23:12
and easier to carry, but I think people like having a screen to
23:16
look at until we can kind of get to, you know, I don't know,
23:22
something different than AI. Pin by humane.
23:25
Have you seen the AI Pin by I think the company called Humane?
23:29
No, it's like a brooch or something that you put like a
23:34
star, A Star Trek brooch. Basically, yeah, you're on the
23:37
right track. So it clips to your, you know,
23:40
your shirt somewhere and it's AI powered.
23:43
So you talk to it, which immediately I'm like I'm not
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going to talk to my talk to my PIN.
23:48
You know, I that's just not, I don't want to be in like a busy
23:51
area and have people hear my conversations.
23:52
You don't want to go into a bike or bar and do that.
23:55
Right, but the way it also works is IT projects essentially light
23:59
onto your hand. So you can use your hand as like
24:01
a screen to like read things and I guess theoretically type.
24:05
Although I'm not sure exactly how that would work from an
24:07
accurate accuracy standpoint. So this form factor of having
24:12
some sort of device authentication on you I think is
24:15
here to stay. We've seen it with phone watch
24:19
rings habit and now you've got this pin, which I can certainly
24:24
see some use cases. I am not as much of A tech
24:27
person I am and I love bleeding edge technology.
24:29
No way. That's not what I'm about, but
24:32
there are options out there. I think the phone form factors.
24:37
You know something people don't mind, I think for now anyway.
24:41
And it's easy and cheap. And if it it's more to the point
24:44
that you lose the phone, you can replace the phone without losing
24:48
any functionality. Every couple years you can get a
24:51
new one. The new technology, I think that
24:55
it's a good fit for the way we operate.
24:58
And they'll start folding on the Apple side.
25:00
Hopefully soon. Hopefully Apple catches up with
25:02
like a folding phone, because I really like that idea on the
25:05
Android side. Takes us to the next question
25:09
then. Thank you for introducing.
25:10
I think we're going to start to wrap the show up and we were
25:13
kind of thinking, I was like oh, how do we end up showing a wider
25:14
note and you came up with Android or iPhone as the
25:18
question, I'll let you pose it. That's just I know that was the
25:21
idea. So however you want to pose it,
25:23
I will answer. Andrew, Andrew.
25:27
Hey, Andrew. Android or iPhone?
25:29
Both. I like both.
25:31
I am an iPhone user, but I like the Android OSI just find the
25:38
app quality is not there yet consistently on the Android side
25:41
compared to the iPhone or iOS side of things.
25:44
But I really enjoy both, and I really hope Android catches up
25:48
in some of those areas. Yeah, I'm definitely iPhone and
25:52
I just, I don't see any reason to change.
25:56
And then with the ecosystem, they keep trying you further and
25:59
further in, and there's the green text, blue text thing,
26:03
which is like, I just can't get over it.
26:06
I think with RCS next year, so was it rich Communication
26:09
Service. I think this is something that
26:11
Google and others had been kind of touting.
26:13
It's sort of the cross-platform equivalent of what iMessage is.
26:18
Apple has said they're going to support it at some point.
26:20
We'll see how that ends up working.
26:22
I'm sure they will figure out to have a a different color to keep
26:26
iMessage blue and like RCS something else.
26:29
I don't. Know purple or something?
26:31
Yeah. I mean, the ecosystem pool is
26:32
strong. I mean, as much as I like both.
26:35
I have iPhone, I have MacBook, I have iPad, I have Watch.
26:39
Yes, they all work together, but I still like the Windows OS
26:42
better. That's just me.
26:43
All right. One more question.
26:45
No, we have two more questions because we have to get to the
26:47
potato question. Oh.
26:48
You want to do the potato question.
26:49
OK, well, you keep going. You keep asking the questions.
26:52
All right, what newish TV show would you recommend for people
26:57
to binge over the holidays? You know, I don't, I don't know
27:01
if I had an answer for it until immediately.
27:03
This thing just popped in my head and it's on Netflix.
27:06
Actually, I got two one's on Netflix.
27:08
It's I think you should leave with Tim Robinson, which I think
27:12
is hilarious. I mean, bunch of stupid sketch
27:14
comedy type things, but so many good quotes and scenarios out of
27:19
that. And then my other one, which is
27:21
way more niche, but I think really people should be checking
27:24
it out, is a show called Game Changer Dropout TV, which is by
27:29
the College Humor folks now. It's called Dropout.
27:31
It's its own streaming service. You can find them on YouTube and
27:34
you know all places like that. But the show I think is just
27:37
really well done and it changes every show.
27:39
So you never really know what the rules are until you start
27:41
watching it, which I find entertaining.
27:43
It's like an improv stand up. It's like an improv comedy game
27:47
show, if that makes sense. Yeah, so I've been watching C
27:53
It's like a miniseries on Apple TV, plus that what they call
27:58
miniseries, TV show. I think it's whatever.
28:01
Series. I don't know.
28:01
It's like two or three seasons, right?
28:03
Yeah, it's like three seasons. It goes off to a very slow start
28:07
and then it gets pretty exciting.
28:11
I don't know if I'm going to say it's like the best series I've
28:14
ever watched, but definitely keep you busy and keep you
28:18
entertained for whatever it is. So six shows per season.
28:23
So that would be 18 episodes. And they're about an hour long,
28:27
so 18 hours of entertainment. There you go.
28:30
I I've only seen two episodes, I think, and I couldn't, couldn't
28:36
get past those two and it was like just died off.
28:38
There's just too much to watch right now.
28:39
It's off to a really slow start, but I always wonder with a show
28:43
like that because it's so involved and so intricate, did
28:46
someone write a book like The Fire and Ice books that led into
28:52
was it Game of Thrones? It's very similar to Game of
28:55
Thrones in terms of in a lot of terms, even though it's based in
28:59
the future. It's like post human apocalypse.
29:03
Like of I guess some disease ravaged humanity and took away
29:08
eyesight and then there they are.
29:11
I mean that's that's typical gym.
29:13
And they got a downer nobody can see.
29:15
We're not ended. How would you like to be
29:18
prepared, Jeff? If you were a potato?
29:20
How would you like to be prepared?
29:22
I'm going to stick with my original answer of when I first
29:25
thought of this question. That is potatoes al graten
29:29
because I want to be delicious and creamy, a little bit cheesy,
29:33
and just something that I think a lot of people really enjoy.
29:36
A well done dish of potatoes al graten yourself.
29:40
But I do think you got the cheesy part down.
29:45
No, I, you know, I my answer is kind of a cop out because I I
29:50
think of it from the same point. I'm like this poor little potato
29:53
and now I've got to choose how I want to be killed.
29:57
Do I want to be chopped up and thrown into boiling water?
30:00
Hell no. I want to be in somebody's
30:04
pantry, forgotten about and grow all those green things out of
30:08
me. And then I have a humane owner
30:11
who decides, you know, rather than throwing this thing in the
30:14
trash, I'm going to bury it in my backyard and hope that it
30:18
grows into multiple potatoes. So it strikes me, and I'm not
30:23
sure if you're gonna get this, but you're gonna.
30:24
It sounds to me like you are trying to become the Three Eyed
30:27
Raven of Potato, where that guy in Game of Thrones is like the
30:34
original 3 Eyed Raven and he's like in the tree, he's like
30:38
stuck there. I imagine you is your whatever
30:42
the Three Eyed Potato is and you're in the ground and
30:45
somewhere along someone else is going to come along and take
30:48
your position as, I don't know, Three Eyed Potato.
30:51
Yeah, but we definitely thought about the question differently.
30:54
You thought of, like, how would you bring enjoyment to people?
30:57
And I thought of How could I preserve myself and feel the
31:00
least pain? Yeah, you want a quick, clean
31:02
death, which I could appreciate. I think it just shows our
31:04
personalities and our viewpoints and how we come at things.
31:07
I think it's a really interesting question for that
31:08
matter, because, you know, we bring it up from time to time
31:10
and people are like, what? Like what are you talking about?
31:13
You sound crazy. Well, some people are like, oh,
31:15
that's a great question. And other people are like,
31:17
you're weird. And both are true.
31:20
OK, let's go ahead and wrap it up for 2023.
31:23
It's been another great ride for us.
31:25
Thank you to everyone who has shared, supported, been on the
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31:44
Jim, how do you want to close it out for 2023?
31:46
I just want to thank everybody who listens to the show and
31:49
makes this part of their week. And that's really all I have.
31:54
I mean, I I do appreciate when people go out and leave the
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32:00
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to me and makes it makes me willing to put the time side
32:13
every week to make this happen. So thank you.
32:16
Right on. Thank you to everybody.
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