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Elon Musk discusses the "Twitter Files" and Hunter Biden laptop case. Also says he is "politically centrist, not republican" in Twitter Spaces Chat. · Elon Musk Podcast

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And they did their earning live right on Twitter and I thought
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it was quite a milligram of your.
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Well, yes, sure, and I'm happy to do it.
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You've made, you've made be like, just made two promises,
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you've made two promises men. Now, you've made this one and
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you've made one to Kim about the I'm out.
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I'm out that you made a promise to Kim about the pole and I made
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a promise to hold the the Tesla meter here on spaces.
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So just I'll remind you afterwards about it as well.
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So I was, you know, I was getting a lot of press, I will,
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I will do them. Yeah, so I've been getting a lot
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of questions. We're just bombarding, me just
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ask you it, you know, when this thing you're asking what are you
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going to do about the shadow banking situation?
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Because like I'm coarsely search band, I'm not Shadow bad but I
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have searched back Anna I'm not sure what's even up with that.
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Yeah, I mean like said I've only been on the job a month as
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definitely. I've got a long list of things
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but but there needs to be a general, the same like your
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account should actually just tell you you are suspended for
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you are deep-rooted or whatever it is.
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And why and what the process is for?
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Now that this week actually tell you that the we did we were
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probably a little overzealous and that's anything that's
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about. That's my fault because I'm just
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trying to Rid of the bamboo absence, I'm in Boston stuff,
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and in trying to stand out or do stuff, but spent stuff, there
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will be some false positives. So that's just this week, it's
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taking a leaf like this can mean it wrote it for the journey
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towards towards truth and towards a healthier system.
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So be patient at any given point will be broken but you will be
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moving as quickly as possible towards a good place.
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And I encourage you to Able to complain about it and whatnot
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but just it it will, it will move in early it sort of leads
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towards good place. That's go and get a pretty bass
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on the net. Rebecca at some of those is
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over. I'm using him.
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Yeah thank you. Check my chattering programs
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came, check my candied yams Kim. Check my ideas because I haven't
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glitches. So I might need your help with a
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few things like the back. Yep.
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Yep. Yeah, you back another.
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Another question, I think you made a reference wants to reach
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a lie. Those a while ago now don't
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recall. It correctly.
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Is it does that reference still stand today?
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Is that potential vision for Twitter?
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Yeah, I'm just saying reach out as an example.
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Some like you would copy we kept exactly but it's just we can't.
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There's a lot of has a lot of functionality that Twitter
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should have like kind of a no-brainer for Twitter to help
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convince both parents and crook to try to make that that easy
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and simple for people that odor adding the ability to post long
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form written content, content, help monetize that easily and
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nice of a playlist. You know, like YouTube dust.
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Yeah, that's what my focus in the first month and also will be
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in December. Is just you sure that that twit
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that Twitter is operating? We as a company, it is not waste
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money. This challenge is on the rep.
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From, with an over-dependence on Advertising.
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That is not talked like brand advertising.
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And and, and in a market where advertising Revenue in general
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is dropped. And then also, when you start
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questioning games as Kuo, you know, various pressure groups,
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start pressuring advertisers to not advertisement.
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So that's another challenge on the revenue front and then that
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and the the bed has not has very high interest.
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Like these are a lot of challenges that I think will,
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you know, will solve these challenges.
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These are a lot of things to solve.
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So, the first order of business is just get Twitter healthy.
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Make sure, which is our reasonable that.
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You click Twitter's like, primarily a software company.
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They're obviously Design Elements, but it's primarily
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software and servers. And so like, if the software,
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it's organized, well, was that encode writing?
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Good code and just put that The engine of engineering work at
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Twitter. We get you.
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Look it's like what is Twitter's evolution of the technology
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Evolution over time? Excluding Acquisitions and very
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low. Technology has been very slow
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and it's an edit button. Yeah exactly.
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The edit button look. I mean if it takes a year to do
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an edit button and the edit button still doesn't work
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properly, then you can have a million good ideas very relevant
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because you can Implement them set sail on.
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I've got a quick question for you.
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My friend I was removed from the way I want to test my mic.
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You guys hear me? I can hear you.
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Maybe you can't. Can you hear me, Alex?
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We can, we can ya got Alex up. Okay.
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Does Alex going to go and then I can go.
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Can you hear me? Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So my question was if the literature tells her husband
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also going to engagement ring other ones or other than.
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But so basically all of these. Yeah aren't Alex.
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That Mario, we can't hear you. This is a bit of an audio or
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shit show. That's right, get this back on
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the road, I unmuted everywhere. And I muted, everyone.
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I'm going to unmute those who are not talking, just a mute
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yourself, please. I would like to ask a down the
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creek - again, I think Alex just did, and he was ready to
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respond. He just now would have to unmute
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himself to respond the Alex. Yeah, I was just wondering, if
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all all accounts that were requested to have things taken
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down by the DNC, and by the Biden campaign, even ones that
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have nothing to do with a hunter, Biden laptop, if they
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will also be released on your you didn't.
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He said to unmute you? Yep. all right, intends to
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release all the files so it's not like anything that's you
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know, any I can't hear anybody. He dropped.
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Our is my mic. Good came, by the way, is in my
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mic, okay? Because it's like, you are, you
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are okay. Do you think that Twitter could
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also like have an automatic notification if anyone was there
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was requested? Comment, taken down?
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Do you think there could be something like that?
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Well method, you're like a VPN sites actually offer that.
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Yeah, I mean it's like like a government had has a request or
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something like that. Yeah, yeah.
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The government says hey we won. I mean, I think yeah.
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Like first Germany would let you know, right?
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So why doesn't America Or with James Woods.
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For example, how his content was there requested, his content be
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removed. Say if that happened for the
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like the Biden campaign. Yeah, I think both past future
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requests made public and assigns sometimes a great disinfectant.
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Yes you know electric request does that are embarrassed and
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they'll be less likely to reflect those but you know at
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the end of the day but it doesn't have a choice.
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Choice. But bide by the laws of, you
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know, us and what and M and whatever countries is operating
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and God wives get arrested. We shouldn't do more than that.
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It should be by bylaws because you have to and you know, there
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may be there may be some potential to say like, well, if
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you're just gives a little maybe we can Lobby to have a more
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chains or something like that. But just so, you know, I want to
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ask you on this point. Go ahead.
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Sorry. No, I'm probably like like the
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overarching goal here. Is that on balance that quarter
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be post for your trip, civilization, that, and for the
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expression of consciousness, Like that.
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So to that point, I want to ask you then because I'm speaking
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from the European lands. What do you think about the eu's
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proposals over potential restrictions to The Observers
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and you'll bit all equally, I know you had a little bit of a
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Charisse, a Fanfare with Alex Benjamin earlier this week.
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I was wondering if you would be interested in a space with you
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and him since I know him from the roof ago, we had a chat I
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invite you, do you ride? Wait what do you mean?
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Would you be interested if you'd be interested?
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Don't don't waste your time with the intelligence Community, but
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I am curious about your thoughts on the European Union.
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Well, actually, a lot of being the EU rules crawl, crawl for
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things. I agree way.
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Transparency, and it's an ability for, for users to appeal
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and they have a process. So I think I get terms of the
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Digital Services act. I think it's mostly good.
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I think we will watch the implementation of it and make
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sure the implementation does not is not your bad board, that will
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Europe but the actual, you know, I think most of what is in
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there. I agree with, you know, because
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it's transparency and accountability seems quite
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sensible. We're just make sure that that
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is not warped in a bad Direction.
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But it generally, I, you know, I realize that or what I know of
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it. I have a question for you.
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You want to Define what misinformation or ins this
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information is, right? I mean that is probably the most
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dangerous development to give Providence.
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That kind of power that they become the deciders of what is,
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and what is not, ya know that that is a big deal.
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I agree. That is Best Bets that goes to
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the heart of the situation. Is that Don't want to
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governments and especially it may not even be some elected
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official me. He's done wonders.
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He wrote a mid-level in a Ministry who's deciding this
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every were people don't even know exists and was never
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elected despite being a democratic country.
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So what about the kind of program?
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What role do you think that Twitter can have in helping to
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support Iran? Ukraine, China, and other
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countries that are facing you know, technological oppression
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and limitation in the our access to freedom of speech.
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Well. Like I said, we will do,
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whatever is possible within the bounds of the law, so he live,
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but kind of a personal question. I've been curious, you know,
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what's their breaking point? That made you decide what by
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Twitter? Band is this good question.
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Thank you. I was hoping you would say the
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child exploitation that you've done more to get rid of in the
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past month and they did in the past 10 years on Twitter and I
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wanted to thank you for that and I'm sorry that the media is
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completely snubbed you on mentioning the fact that you
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guys have gone above and beyond to make that happen and Eliza
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blue thank you for your work and efforts there.
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Yeah, let's say baby eagle eyes of like as well.
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We wrecked at this is like a really good crowd sourcing on
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Twitter actually helps. So the child and it's actually
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it is, it is true. Yes.
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But last month and probably the last 10 years that since it kind
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of blows my mind, frankly, and we're going to keep doing it and
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it's always going to be no one. I mean, it's like kids
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themselves. We Just felt so.
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Yeah. Mario, we can't hear you.
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Now, you just sound like you like a mosquito now?
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Sounds like he's in the toilet. Be honest.
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We want do you stop plans to drop the W?
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Everyone is asking technically the polled.
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Come out positive on that. The people have spoken.
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I know other people have not spoken but motivate Christian.
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Like I don't think we answered that like I want to know like
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what was the breaking point. I think a lot of people want to
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know this one was a breaking point that made you want to buy
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were those tips actually comprised like weird.
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I actually have but that wasn't its until recently, but I guess
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the it just felt like It really been building for for some time.
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So I wouldn't say there was like it wasn't like a step change,
16:06
suddenly was this is one thing is like oh and if I'm going to
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be got banned that's why I voted for her.
16:13
That would be crazy. It's more that the the just like
16:17
this more and more groups, think amongst the media, more and more
16:22
sort of Towing, the line amongst digital social media companies
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and basically just we're traveling the path.
16:32
More and more of sort of, suppression of free speech.
16:36
And this was just getting me concerned.
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It's like, the trends were just very, very bad.
16:43
So, unless something was done to reverse, this trend is Free
16:46
Speech. Then I felt.
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Well, maybe that they're, you know, at some point, everything
16:51
will just cut off. And unless you're in agreement,
16:55
with whatever the group gets, then you're just going to be
16:58
ostracized or your voice will be shuttle.
17:02
So like I said, it wasn't any one thing.
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It was just like a I think and then I could I can't exactly say
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why because it's like one of those things where it's like it
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might just say that my biological mural mad girl that's
17:17
important to buy Twitter and or just like with a digital neural
17:21
net you can't really Zachary explain why the new old man is
17:25
able to understand infants or text or just say that that the
17:33
collective result of the neural net that this is an important
17:36
action for this is the right action and my biological neural
17:39
Nets concluded that is important to buy Twitter and then it was
17:45
not port and seared in a great Direction.
17:50
It would danger for servicing Mission.
17:53
And so that's why I, that's why I bought it.
17:57
That's brilliant. You don't have been married
17:59
since you mentioned the biological neural net, and the
18:03
digital neural net. When is you were linked to be
18:08
ready to copy our Consciousness into a vent please?
18:11
Connects, I never. Where can I sign up for it?
18:13
Because I would love to have my green augmented.
18:17
It's like cyberpunks. Yeah, exactly.
18:20
It's got a cool cyberpunk. At this point is that I'm sure
18:28
you're familiar with dr. Who write and the Cybermen.
18:31
And this idea of the centralized system, by which you can
18:34
influence people's thoughts, is that not a consideration that
18:37
you have on your Rector if you get what I'm coming from, Well,
18:41
I mean on the the neural neuro other neural link front if I
18:48
look at the pace at which artificial intelligence is
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improved versus the pace of which mirror link is staying
18:56
artificial intelligence is moving much faster than the
18:59
neural link is moving because as soon as it gets done with wins
19:03
gets very slow because of the danger to humans.
19:06
So the short that mean for the next few years your link is
19:10
really Just focused on restoring movement will then have a broken
19:13
neck or spine and restoring Vision restoring movement
19:18
envisioned. It's not uploading memories or
19:20
controlling thoughts or anything like that.
19:22
It's pretty basic. So it's like the early days of
19:25
computers, you know? It's beat that with its life
19:27
changing though, right? I mean, being able to see if you
19:30
born blind, that if there's the gift that I don't think, you
19:34
know, anyone pass up, that would be amazing.
19:37
Yeah, and that's very doable. You know what I'm saying?
19:40
About neural link is that you'll be able to see anything in your
19:43
links, you'll be able to see coming from very far off, like
19:48
like, because you've got to go through the whole FDA device
19:51
approval process, that takes an ages.
19:53
You better evaluate the safety increments and that takes a long
19:57
time. And basically, it's very slow,
20:01
the development of digital supervillain for a long time
20:06
that we ought to Cautious in the development of digital
20:09
superintelligence, this represents a danger to the
20:13
public just said, we have other Regulatory Agencies over just
20:18
the public like FDA or the if it were known if you want to be
20:22
number, rip it does. are you what you have to just have
20:30
companies is going Hog Wild on developing digital
20:36
superintelligence with no of advice, do potentially see this
20:39
happening in a country where there are no oversights, you
20:42
know, where the government's allow the you know, scientists
20:45
to do to go Hog Wild is he said, Well.
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Look, we there's the things we can control, the things, we
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can't control. Thank you.
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But this should be some kind of oversee kin, you know, North
21:08
America Europe, which is where a lot of the AI Innovation is
21:11
happening. There should be some kind of
21:13
outside Beyond nothing, which is currently the case, how the body
21:17
fabric we are from General artificial intelligence like
21:21
what is your time frame? You think until we have the big,
21:24
the big deal. I mean, I think it's happening,
21:34
very fast. You have said, like G is defined
21:36
by where where digital super intelligence is smarter than the
21:40
smartest. What is your definition of AGI?
21:44
Yeah, exactly. I mean, once one's the AI is
21:47
able to basically program itself and understands how to how to
21:51
advance itself, that would be the level where we need to start
21:55
to worry, right? Yeah, you were all set to add to
22:05
that. Ain't on.
22:05
I mean, what about this, you know, last year after the
22:07
pandemic, we had the great resignation.
22:10
Now, there's the concern about the basements of traditional
22:13
labor jobs, which is, you know, Ai and machine technology.
22:17
I think it was you that, you know, I saw the video eat when
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the capacity for it to control things with its mind is not a
22:23
concern about potential impact. It has on very menial job to me
22:27
you know those people doing don't have necessarily the
22:30
skills. You to retrain that quickly just
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you know, how can we plan in advance to minimize the
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consequent? Sorry the video.
22:43
The audio is like not good right now, so I don't know.
22:46
Worst. Hey, Mario can have another
22:53
space sometime in the future to talk about AI, because I think
22:57
that is one of the big topics, you know, where a lot of people
23:00
don't really realize how big the risk of AI is and what you are
23:05
always asking for is, you know, more regulation, better rules in
23:09
order to prevent the worst case scenario of yes and a GI taking
23:15
over and basically wiping out like a Tartan and then obviously
23:19
no job. No.
23:20
I mean my journey has basically replaced graphic artist for book
23:24
covers killer, you don't need a book artist anymore.
23:26
You can just do it with a. I am not not the change the
23:30
subject back to the porter files but Kim I try.
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I want to ask you on a quick question about section 230.
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Are you concerned about that now?
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And what the government could potentially do to section 230,
23:45
as a result of the flattening that you're creating at Twitter
23:49
and all the Route that you're pushing out of the objectivity.
23:54
Well. I think it is.
23:59
So we're publicly. It is that that we actually that
24:03
house will be Republican. It's like it's generally, not a
24:08
good idea. U.s.
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If the house and executive branch are all of one party.
24:16
Then you have a situation though, it's good to have at
24:21
least one of those branches. Me Ella party, then they will,
24:25
then they will check the worst excesses of both parties.
24:28
So I think it's quite as good that the house will be
24:31
Republican. This provoked or interpreters
24:36
that is like, oh, I must be so a Republican or something.
24:39
It's like, no, I'm a moderate. Actually is what I am.
24:43
It's like, I wish people were curiously.
24:45
Moderate, but, like, by its nature of being water, it's is
24:48
not. It is not lend itself.
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Either you don't be like, be fantastically moderate, that's
24:55
but bananas. Mm.
24:56
Thick tip and more radical Centrist than I think some
24:59
YouTubers like to say, right? Be a radical Centrist, huh?
25:03
Yeah. Then it's just like, like, you
25:06
want to have the government passed laws that are in the best
25:09
interest of the people not that are in, that are just a small
25:13
sections of the people. And so, that's why that you'd
25:16
like, if you have a mixture of parties in control, then then
25:20
then they will pass only things that sort of are the
25:22
intersection of sets of what both parties agree on which is
25:25
more likely to be in the interest of the people.
25:27
So I think I probably because I feel pretty okay about that.
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A section 230 stuff. Yeah, he Lon Can you accept just
25:34
quickly, guys? Can you can you hear me now or
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no, we got it. Yeah, I've just got, I've just
25:39
got back. I've just, yeah, I've just got,
25:40
I've got great speakers. I just came up because now, it's
25:43
not glitching for me anymore. So, I've just welcomed Clayton,
25:46
Patrick, but David's on stage as well.
25:48
And there's more speakers about to come up that all of you would
25:50
know. Now, my space is working.
25:51
So guys, feel free to jump in and ask it on any question you.
25:54
Thank you. Thank you so much.
25:55
You want to retry the curl? Those things feel Mario.
25:58
I will not. I will not.
25:59
Yeah, go ahead and then Patrick. Thank you.
26:03
This is Clayton from redacted. One of the stories we've been
26:06
covering on our show, over the past couple of months is Doctor
26:10
shiva's lawsuit. He was banned from Twitter
26:15
running for the Senate from Massachusetts.
26:17
And one of the things that his lawsuit that was uncovered was
26:20
the backend, government portal to both Facebook and Twitter.
26:25
The Tweet, they trusted Twitter partnership, and I know on
26:28
Twitter and blog that trusted Twitter partnership between
26:32
Twitter, someone with a government email with your
26:35
nation, approaching on to Twitter, And basically have
26:40
pounds band taken down is that portal is that trusted
26:45
Partnerships? Still available to the
26:47
government and given what you've released in the Twitter files.
26:49
Does it make sense for that to still be there?
26:52
I got to dig into the, you know, obviously that has like brother
26:57
Vibes said, you know What a whole adhere to the law but
27:03
better will not do you know, it's not going to go to go
27:05
beyond the lowland and if they're lost that call then.
27:23
I do. What did I lost?
27:25
You and your wife, you're doing an amazing job, so keep it
27:28
going. Eric, did you have Eric
27:32
Sebastian, do you have a queen? Yeah, I do the prior question,
27:38
Ilan in the Twitter in, you know, the Twitter files, the
27:41
things that you found. Did you find any relationship
27:45
between Facebook and any other Tick-Tock?
27:47
Whoever whomever with regards to what could be considered, you
27:52
know, the collusion with the certain political parties was it
27:55
was it another was there any collusion among other social
27:58
media groups with Twitter? I've not directly seen And I'm
28:01
not saying it doesn't exist, I've not yet.
28:04
In fact the Soviet the Twitter files.
28:07
I Matt Matt Seabees read way more than I have like butt by a
28:11
ton. My priority of just getting to
28:14
her healthy. It's saying Twitter engineering
28:16
so that we release teachers at a hot at a high rate so that's
28:21
you're my priority on the Twitter, Friday's do better,
28:25
financially healthy plays fix the engine of engineering.
28:28
So we're gonna add the features and capabilities that Better
28:31
better make it much better and improve transparency and Trust
28:34
in the lat. Actually I do most of the stuff
28:39
I've read hobby. Any of the profiles that maybe
28:41
has been very, very wide supposed to getting access to
28:43
it. So feel free to have you been in
28:45
contact with any of the other social platforms meta, Google
28:49
Etc. Since the release of the files
28:51
has there been any pushback and you concerns anything at all?
28:54
Or it's been pretty quiet that reached out to me.
28:57
I'm not aware of any, any Outreach from them, I guess.
29:00
If I think, if this, if it turns out, there's, like, stuff for
29:04
the public to know about, and we'll put it out there, and I
29:08
told whatever, Matt Matt said baby and Barry Weiss.
29:12
Hey, listen, whatever you see, you think public know about it?
29:17
The poster. With regards to the
29:20
dissemination of information. So, right now, it's Matt,
29:23
Taibbi, and Barry Weiss. You have any plans to maybe give
29:26
it give access to more journalists like say Ryan Savita
29:29
of daily wire Jackman Staubach. You know he's somewhat covered
29:32
on this stuff even previously so I'm sure they'd love to know.
29:36
Yeah, I did my part maybe at some point we should just like
29:38
put it all out there, you know, if they're cycling in the
29:41
beginning. It's good to have some car here
29:44
and, you know. So it's not just a million
29:45
stories all at once. Yeah, makes sense.
29:47
Yeah, it's a drip feed at first and then later on Going to be a
29:50
flat, right? Because otherwise, it's a too
29:52
many stories too much all at once in them.
29:54
People can't really focus on anything.
29:56
Yeah, make sense. Yeah, you just you just get
29:57
drowned out in the flood of things but I think I think you
30:00
know once we think about the stories have the critical
30:04
stories have been told. Then I'd probably the right move
30:06
is to just you know, provide a data dump and then go through it
30:10
and see what was missed. Are you so are you surprised at
30:15
all about the, the the blowback against Matt, Taibbi over the
30:18
past 24 hours, a number of a number of roll news
30:24
organizations. A lot of liberal news reporters
30:27
came out and really slammed Matt Taibbi which really was really
30:31
shocking. What was your response to that?
30:33
Well I think those people should be looking in the mirror and
30:37
wondering why they were to say. Why did they just the American
30:40
public? And instead of trying to
30:42
redirect blame Matt's accepting some responsibility themselves
30:47
for not being truthful, to the American public.
30:52
But he loves you right Ilan, it's Mike Cohen here.
30:55
Congratulations on. Of course, the acquisition of
30:58
Twitter, but my question to you is, how are you going to go
31:01
about combating? The issue of Bot and Bot forms
31:05
who creates so much misinformation and hate on your
31:08
platform. The last thing I do, I will
31:12
defeat the damn bus controls. Maybe didn't leave it like a
31:14
mind, virus that purchase them, just make him self-destruct.
31:17
Yeah, I mean, You know. It's War at its word and and
31:26
we're going to win that war big time.
31:28
Yeah. Because I'm confident you will
31:30
and think I think the extent of the hatred that these Bots cause
31:35
is astronomically and it's really terrible.
31:38
But thank you for thank you for your commitment to that after
31:41
Mike can I can I jump in and ask a question here.
31:43
Michael devil just really quick, just real quick.
31:45
I wanted to say something about the bots so there are of course,
31:50
commercial boards, right? People trying to do spam.
31:53
But the more dangerous sports are those that are trying to
31:56
interfere in this course. And you know, try to manipulate
32:01
the conversation and those are primarily run by governance,
32:05
right? They're run by the intelligence
32:07
community in different countries.
32:09
They're trying to manipulate the way people are talking, for
32:13
example, about your brain. I think one of the more famous
32:17
examples here are these so-called now for Bots that are
32:20
going out and shooting everyone down your people.
32:23
Yeah. Austin is where them, they're
32:25
mixing it. Right?
32:26
So the intelligence Community, does it in that way.
32:29
They have real people, then they have bought sort of 40 order,
32:32
made it and then they even let their intelligence community and
32:36
boys to work with Twitter profiles trying as well.
32:40
But all with one goal which is to liquidate the public
32:43
discourse Words, Their Grooms. And I think you experienced that
32:48
yourself when you spoke out for her keys and you refrain you
32:51
were attacked by these things. Vaughn's.
32:54
Yeah, no absolutely. So like I said, like I said, you
32:57
know, the job of the month. I'm very good at software
33:00
arrests are for 20 years, and I was very good back in the day
33:05
being the members and they, they were just like there were just
33:13
had the Bad actors. Had free rein in the system
33:16
before they will not have that in the future.
33:18
I look forward to that battle and we will expose those who are
33:22
acting to manipulate. Look at the inn and shine, a
33:24
bright light on it. Fantastic.
33:26
Hey, Kim, exactly. Ask a quick question on that.
33:29
The same topic because there was a point at which I was told by
33:33
someone who have helped had access to this Discord server
33:36
for these NATO or NATO trolls that I was among their top
33:39
targets or even the number one target for a while.
33:42
So I'm just sort of a personal curiosity, by the way.
33:44
This is Michael trace and so Ilan.
33:46
I'm curious, if you were able to detect or gauge any inauthentic
33:52
activity, On Twitter specifically related to this
33:56
sort of pro-ukraine faction or you know, is there with their a
34:01
particular sort of very system that kind of connects those
34:05
actors that you were able to discern since you've taken the
34:09
helm. Well the the tools that Twitter
34:11
turned Lee has logical relation R.
34:15
That's why but in order for that to put them through strength of
34:17
we must like both the ends in the fridge and we'll just sort
34:21
of see what's going on in the system.
34:23
I mean over and over again, is we're like we're doesn't know
34:28
what's going on in Twitter, that that's actually the issue.
34:31
So both the tools that can analyze what's going on and see
34:34
where is there evidence of large-scale manipulation?
34:38
And in order to to highlight it, and even if it's not shut down,
34:43
if it is simply highlighted, instead of wasting these, these
34:46
accounts were all acting in concert are acting in a way that
34:49
is faster than they could possibly coordinate.
34:53
The this would be a linked, you know, 100,000 Baht slinked that
34:57
are all acting in concert and and just get em hundred there.
35:02
We expose them essentially, but but those software tools need to
35:06
be written. And they have not yet been
35:07
written there, but they will be, it's all right.
35:39
To ensure that the individual is who they say they are.
35:43
Yes. And now that a lot of was fine
35:48
with the sort of, you know, Bluebird I think, is that that
35:52
right now? It is their problems on many
35:55
levels. It's too cheap to have a buzzes
35:59
Horry and even a troll like its operating.
36:03
I want, you know, Thousand instances of her accounts, you
36:09
know, you know, interpret back to PCS, you know, it's a
36:16
warehouse with an r in the possible, like Warehouse with
36:20
banks bones actually are operated by people that the, the
36:25
challenge right now, it was a challenge is actually, you have
36:28
to make more expensive. See you brought some trolls.
36:33
There was a guy sitting in front of eight phones, right?
36:36
That's just how it up. He is like, the Farms are
36:38
guiding from headphones and he did well, unfortunately, the the
36:43
distant for mates and budget for the CIA for these.
36:47
Now, for Bots, has over a hundred million dollars.
36:49
I mean, even if you throw eight dollars per month, per account
36:54
in front of them, it's not idea. Is that going to stop them?
36:56
Not to $8 third floor theory that I think.
37:03
Could overcome a budget challenge also, then having to
37:09
make sure the number of bones and the number of credit or
37:12
debit cards that because all Amplified difficulty and and and
37:17
and then of having, if you want to do it, quit that there's much
37:20
that you can't find any connection between 100,000
37:24
phones and hundred thousand credit cards and 100,000 you
37:27
know, record numbers are equal to just be we look mystical
37:32
difficulty of that is free. In Lehi.
37:36
So it's more like we need to process some of my money through
37:39
the payment system in order to be back off the system dollars,
37:44
kind of like a random number. Obviously, there's another thing
37:47
that I had accomplished symbol taneous lie which is that
37:50
Twitter cannot be like so heavily on advertisers.
37:54
So this is there to kill two birds with one stone, you know,
37:57
which is that which is world and build a source of Revenue, that
38:01
is not advertised pendant that they advertise this happen.
38:06
It's way over what Twitter also use the payment system as an
38:11
additional means of identifying and stopping lat system.
38:17
And just stop this for a second
38:40
because everyone is talking over each other.
38:42
Elon just made a really important point which is that he
38:47
has more freedom to do what is good for his users, if he is
38:52
less dependent on advertisers. So there's a large group of
38:56
people here. I think everyone who appreciates
38:59
what Iran is doing for us right now, this fight for freedom of
39:03
speech should support him and the best way you can support him
39:07
is to become a subscriber at Twitter.
39:09
You're using this great service all the time if you want him to
39:13
have more power and more freedom to the thief.
39:16
Schools for us. Well you know make that eight
39:19
dollars a month investment. I think it's really worth it.
39:22
The price of a lot of your honor.
39:23
Did he want already say wedding plans to reinstate the
39:26
verification that a dollar verification process.
39:30
You are not. Sorry.
39:35
I think we're probably about a week away, maybe it is this
39:43
coming week, we should be able to restart the verification
39:45
process. Will it be Global or is it just
39:47
that you do is still actually discuss that with it?
39:50
So this time for verification we're taking some additional
39:54
steps where one has phone where phone verified with a note area
40:01
and good phone carrier and Penton browser.
40:04
Will offer people the opportunity.
40:06
If they want to do ID verification kind of like what
40:09
Airbnb does the similar thing and maybe that all around the
40:12
world and then you'll be able to look at account and so does the
40:16
Verify verify it is like the perfect option and also to
40:21
establish an organizational ability ation.
40:22
Do you actually with this organization is providing
40:26
organizations with their abilities to find to to stack,
40:31
which set of users are affiliated with that
40:33
organizations? Like all you accent Professor
40:35
is, or are you actually for a reporter at me or whatever or an
40:41
employee go or whatever? It's just generally, You have
40:46
granularity and Nuance to what verified means as opposed to the
40:51
sort of like grab grab, grab bag of nonsense, which is the past
40:56
rare situation where, you know, Matthew will go.
41:01
And you've got, we verified and it's going to print the or and
41:05
and then, there were also rated constantly goodbye verify badge.
41:11
You can tell it's a big Legacy, can't tell.
41:16
It's if that is not legit situation scam, whether they're
41:21
a tree or other poetry Journal because there's no granularity
41:25
to it. And there was one of the riddle
41:26
by them out of off of Google right now, like, you can
41:29
literally Google verified accounts and they sell them for
41:31
like 200 500 dollars or something, right?
41:34
Yes, exactly. It's exactly it but it's not
41:36
like rebirth. It's like not like have to go to
41:38
the import dark wet. It's your quite survive.
41:42
We verified literally Google search, I'm supporting, and it's
41:46
one. Page one of the Google search
41:47
results if you want and they verified just basically if it's
41:53
just a quick and as so we need to move forward with something
41:58
that that is gives granularity and detail and Nuance about the
42:04
nature of the verification and actually reproduce.
42:09
If you want, you said to not really admirable things about
42:12
freedom of speech and your commitment to it and its role in
42:14
the future of humanity. You didn't answer the question
42:16
about supporting protesters in China and our bond is there.
42:20
Freedom of speech, freedom suits for Chinese people and poor,
42:23
Tony band or Humanity in China. I just put, you know, like
42:26
Twitter, is it accessible inside.
42:28
So it's kind of a pointless question.
42:30
So you don't think making it accessible for Chinese or
42:33
Ronnie. Doesn't matter.
42:34
Sobbing nice. Right?
42:35
Yeah, it's not. It's not, it's not blocking it.
42:39
Tom and Tammy had a question. That was terrible.
42:44
Okay, go ahead. Well good.
42:47
So a student of the freedom of speech is Sebastian goal.
42:50
It's a lot of people use that. It's a First Amendment issue.
42:54
What was doubt by Matt Taibbi, the First Amendment concerns in
42:59
government suppression. So anything that happened before
43:01
January than 20 years is a First Amendment unless it was the bide
43:06
Administration after his search. For those who think that you
43:09
know, we've got the Smoking Gun and they don't need to wait for
43:11
anything else give you a Is that issue is the most in here?
43:16
Yeah. I mean well first of all
43:17
actually they there are issues with like parents report so that
43:22
that's that's that that is I think an issue.
43:25
It's the Twitter I would appear the Twitter falsely claimed that
43:29
there was not any parent, right? But that has to be that has to
43:34
do with in-kind contributions. That's very kind of you.
43:37
It is Criminal. But can you tell us if there's
43:40
that you know, there will be more smoking.
43:41
Guns Cummings. Yeah, I think they will be more
43:45
stock. To be obvious.
43:46
Next question is well what happened after the election?
43:50
Exactly, exactly. That's probably the right thing
43:54
for episode 2. Is what happened after the
43:56
election? And how long do we have to wait
43:58
for episode 2? I don't know this mad because
44:09
you didn't address this earlier. Appreciate how long you've been
44:12
on this call? What subjects outside of Hunter
44:16
B? This is Will Kane from Fox News.
44:18
What subjects outside of Hunter, Biden were subject to the most
44:22
government in new censorship. As you may not have heard my
44:29
only comment. I don't actually, like I said,
44:32
I've been free personally. I've been working on getting
44:36
Twitter to healthy fixing the engineering.
44:38
I've not been sort of pouring over the Twitter pile.
44:41
Personally, that's sort of been, you know, Matt is doing that is
44:44
very wise known as well. So as they would be somewhat of
44:48
a, you know, yes, that's wearily, but a lot of questions
44:53
around X, there's questions around But there's a lot of
44:57
questions, but I think the important thing is that we just
45:00
bringing daylight through all of these things.
45:03
And so, anything that Critter has done and sometimes think a
45:07
lot of times Twitter's done think they were just not, it
45:12
wasn't malicious, it was foolish.
45:14
Things that are like me looking people for NPC for posting, NPC
45:18
means that thousands of people were banned.
45:20
Yeah, exactly. From it from a, just good
45:25
question. With the companies have stopped
45:26
advertising on Twitter, which I think most of us agrees is just
45:29
not right. Has there been any progress
45:32
since have you been in discussions with them and what
45:34
are some other strategies to bring in Revenue?
45:36
So we depend Less on advertisers Keep him here in this is Eric
45:42
Bolling. Again, any knowledge or have any
45:47
dream that those. There is some indication that a
45:51
lot of people on the right side of the political aisle, lost a
45:55
ton of followers, I would say, from 2018, 2016, all the way
45:59
through, you know, towards the end of 2041, give you a panic,
46:03
totally, my cell by lost, eighty thousand, show and not.
46:06
Until this is little until you purchase Twitter.
46:09
Did I say Dean followers and in a fairly robust manner, is there
46:14
any proof that you have any evidence of been and that being
46:16
sorted by a plan or a strategy? A hunter's part, you know, he
46:21
likes it. I have not read the Twitter
46:23
father's that moved me to synthetic is so my arse any of
46:27
the limited and that's why I would leave it be and Barry
46:30
Weiss and hopefully others and which soil which is B by I see I
46:37
see what, what, what is my best as if that there was a very
46:40
different standard applied screw Republican in the u.s. trust the
46:45
standards there appears at that Donna same as deadly as to pet
46:52
and a double standard where where Democrats were not
46:56
censored and and left causes were not censored.
46:59
But right, right causes and and Republicans were and it was and
47:03
I think this is the obvious to anyone.
47:06
Uses Twitter was any extra test Mosaic Twitter files.
47:09
It was it was not even at and it's frankly, the but the
47:13
behavior that is be expected from an organization that is,
47:17
that is based and for Cisco, Which is far left from, it
47:23
wouldn't seem like that. They're being unfairly from
47:27
what, simply how they see the world.
47:31
I think met posted like, political contributions of
47:34
Twitter being over 99% Democrats.
47:37
Oh, well, what kind of what would you expect people to have
47:40
that? It's a bad behavior.
47:41
You would expect from a company that is basically a distillation
47:47
of San Francisco politics. And I hope that I would claim
47:52
doesn't only different by the way, I want to make a person and
47:56
I want to make a suggestion real quick it on.
47:58
When you are speaking, we can hear you, you.
48:00
Well, when you are listening, the background noise from your
48:04
jet is interfering again. Okay?
48:06
So then can you just Bermuda yourself?
48:11
So anyway, I have a question like that.
48:20
Give it to me because as much as anybody else.
48:27
So I'll give you the mic right after persistence.
48:36
But one question, again, back to the advertisers Ilan.
48:38
Not sure if you heard it before, any progress there with the
48:41
advertisers that stopped advertising on Twitter, which we
48:43
all agree is just not, right? And any other strategies to
48:47
bring Revenue outside of mating. You to deal.
48:50
Yeah. So I mean it's Apple has
48:52
Believers in advertising, we're going to preach apple, is the
48:56
single biggest Advertiser on Twitter and I start wait, at
49:00
least thank God will for flurries early advertising.
49:03
I think we're, we're all starting to see a lot of other
49:06
advertising also resemble their spending.
49:09
I think that the problem is that they would read all these
49:12
stories in the media, and then think that there were true and
49:15
they're not true. And then as this become your
49:18
story quitter, Things like right-wing Health which actually
49:23
isn't it, is there are far fewer, Bots, far fewer trolls.
49:27
And it's it's actually I think way more fun and interesting.
49:31
And we're seeing that in the, in the user minutes and in the
49:33
daily average users, then advertisers are like, okay, I
49:36
guess if it is safe to go back in the water.
49:39
And so, we are, as we are seeing is this resume advertising on
49:43
Twitter. So that's, that's a good sign.
49:45
I wish it would be faster but creek.
49:47
We are seeing them right here. The most, the most concerning
49:49
Factor. They're on the advertising.
49:50
Front is just the entire industry wide drop in
49:55
advertisement, which Critter is not immune from.
49:57
So even though advertised on the advertising and it shows in
50:02
general are dropping for all companies and so it is
50:05
imperative that Twitter and also at Revenue Source, the
50:09
subscriber Revenue, which is just very important for the
50:13
survival and poured off Twitter, and to reduce its dependence on
50:18
on advertisers Earl. Yeah, okay.
50:23
Overall like you know, I am cautiously optimistic.
50:26
Future. Yeah, I'm gonna add one point of
50:30
credit. Like I have no stats have
50:32
nothing against the, the old, you know, Executives at Twitter
50:36
Etc, but very objectively speaking what you've done in a
50:39
month and again, that's purely being objective.
50:41
What you've done in a month, it is fucking insane, the amount of
50:45
progress that you've had and where Twitter is that now such a
50:48
short period of time. So not that you need more credit
50:50
because you're getting a lot here.
50:52
But I just want to add to it as well.
50:53
I'll give the mic to to the persistence has been waiting for
50:56
a while and then Spike. Go ahead persistence.
51:00
I'm from a saved the sultanate. My question is, do we have any
51:05
information on advertisers threatening to pull money from
51:09
Twitter? If Twitter did not adhere to a
51:12
policy and additionally, do we have any information on Congress
51:17
men or women who have threatened legislation should Twitter not
51:22
adhere to a certain policy and lass I was really intrigued by
51:26
your comment positivity and negativity.
51:28
And tweets you saying that positive tweets would go further
51:32
and I just wanted to see what would constitute the measurement
51:36
from Twitter that would make something positive or negative
51:39
thank you mutually. Sure.
51:42
Well, the advertisers for the most part, the advertisers are
51:47
quite rational in that day. You're advertising a product,
51:55
you don't want to be like this, you're a tech.
52:01
You don't want to have like super - sort of hate speech or
52:04
you. See, the and, and also probably,
52:08
or whatever, and also, they don't want to not safe for work,
52:12
but brightness, your ad for children toys and stuff like
52:17
that. That's quite well, we're
52:23
advertising advertising, have rights or advertising, not
52:30
advertised as consistent with their, it really just means like
52:37
Is to monetize advertising for times, Iraq war wagons, but I
52:42
think in general it's been okay. I mean I think there has been
52:46
some overzealous action by groups that that pressure, the
52:50
advertisers then in pressure Twitter and you know, we're
52:53
trying to sort of that that I thought was was somewhat
52:57
unreasonable but I'm trained in a direction going forward, but
53:02
I'm not sure, but it's Looks like directions.
53:09
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I've also just you pick up there like there weren't the event.
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They end up reading and it's like and then they end up with
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it was all the wrong impressions of what's gone.
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Well, I'm using Twitter, do you? You see these things for
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yourself and they like actually find when we use Twitter, like,
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yes, because it is fine after then.
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And then I said, else's home, like, work as we try to grow in
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as user base, user comes on Twitter, and then is immediately
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That's the thing that we should Maura, and that will bet that's
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consistent with what most advertisers want.
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And what, what Twitter wants in order to grow because their
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bags, and they generally overtime is your PTO kill can be
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Be something you choose what sort of experience or like just
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like you can choose a radio station, like some people want
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do yoga? You know, you decide which one
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of those were kind of experience you want.
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That's going to be important in order to have Twitter appeal to
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