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Credlin | 8 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreanlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining
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Speaker 2: me tonight. Here's what's coming up on Kredline. The billions
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Speaker 2: announced by the Prime Minister for childcare now a good
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Speaker 2: deal if you own a childcare center. A terrible deal
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Speaker 2: though if you're a tax player. I'll explain exactly why.
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Speaker 2: On so many levels this is a shocking decision and
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Speaker 2: it's all about buying union votes for labor. Bad news
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Speaker 2: for all the green activists too, trying to dictate where
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Speaker 2: companies should and should invest their money with the resources
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Speaker 2: Glencore declaring the end of Cole's a long way off
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Speaker 2: as they do a U turn on plans to divest,
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Speaker 2: plus the presumption of innocence consideration being given by the
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Speaker 2: federal government to scrap it in rape and sexual assault trials.
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Speaker 2: Our peak legal body says no, it's the cornerstone of
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Speaker 2: our criminal justice system. Legal expert Chrisparit ways in and
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Speaker 2: as the war of words between the Government and the
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Speaker 2: RBA gets worse today, the Prime Minister is exposed for
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Speaker 2: his weak understanding of economics after a disastrous TV interview this.
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Speaker 3: Morning, Anthony Alberdezi had a train wreck interview this morning
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Speaker 3: on Sky News with Peter Stephanovic. It's clear to me
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Speaker 3: that he doesn't understand the basic economic principles.
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Speaker 2: But first, the Albanezi government at it again, handing out
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Speaker 2: your money to private businesses to pay their workers more,
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Speaker 2: and no doubt too to boost union membership along the way.
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Speaker 2: Today the Prime Minister is patting himself on the back
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Speaker 2: yet again as some sort of Santa Claus for being
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Speaker 2: generous with our money.
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Speaker 4: This will apply across the board for not for profit,
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Speaker 4: for profit for out of school hour's care, as long
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Speaker 4: as those sectors as well pass on the benefit to
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Speaker 4: It's all say good for our economy because what this
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Speaker 4: will do is increased workforce participation. Make sure that more
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Speaker 4: women can return to work earlier, make sure that so
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Speaker 4: many women cannot be disadvantaged by working an extra day
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Speaker 4: or two, that they can re enter the workforce, bousing productivity.
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Speaker 2: So the detail of that announcement, he's going to spend
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Speaker 2: three point six billion dollars to give two hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: childcare workers a fifteen percent pay rise. Now, on average,
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Speaker 2: that's around ten thousand dollars a year each. But it
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Speaker 2: won't stop there because once a rays arrays in wages
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Speaker 2: is granted, it can't be taken back. And because almost
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Speaker 2: all childcare funding comes from the federal government, this is
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Speaker 2: a permanent increase of two billion dollars a year in
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Speaker 2: government childcare funding, meaning taxpayers will now spend over fifteen
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Speaker 2: billion a year on childcare. Now, there's just so much
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Speaker 2: that's wrong with this. First, the whole handout mindset of
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Speaker 2: the current labor government. Every time there's a problem anywhere
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Speaker 2: with anything, they just shovel out more of your money
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Speaker 2: to advance their political interest, of course, and get themselves reelected. Second,
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Speaker 2: it's wrong in principle for government to interfere with the
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Speaker 2: running of what our private businesses. I mean, why are
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Speaker 2: we paying the wages of workers in a private business
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Speaker 2: that makes a profit. Third, the whole concept of childcare
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Speaker 2: as an overregulated industry with massive taxpayer support rather than
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Speaker 2: part of parenthood, with any support directed to families not businesses,
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Speaker 2: or the whole policy needs to be rethought. And fourth,
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Speaker 2: see this for what it is, a massive wages pork
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Speaker 2: barrel to boost union workers and regulated care centers, but
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Speaker 2: nothing for those who use smaller in home family daycare
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Speaker 2: or God forbid boor old parents who look after their
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Speaker 2: own children, or the thousands and thousands of grandparents who
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Speaker 2: help out too. Earlier, in another multi billion dollar stunt,
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Speaker 2: the Abenezy government funded a fifteen percent pay rise for
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Speaker 2: age care workers, again workers employed in private businesses. In
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Speaker 2: both cases, part of the deal has been to shoehorn
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Speaker 2: workers into these sectors to join the unions that otherwise
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Speaker 2: would be losing members significantly. Today's pay rise will be
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Speaker 2: part of a multi employer deal being negotiated between major
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Speaker 2: childcare operators and the United Workers Union.
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Speaker 5: Of course it is, and here's a.
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Speaker 2: Union claiming credit for it, saying that, I quote this
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Speaker 2: wage increase recognized as a group of predominantly female workers
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Speaker 2: who've been undervalued for decades.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong, I'm all in.
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Speaker 2: Favor of higher wages for workers, provided, of course they're productive.
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Speaker 2: But one of the reasons why childcare fees are always
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Speaker 2: going up over eight percent in the past twelve months,
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Speaker 2: which is about double inflation, is because governments are always
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Speaker 2: demanding extra qualifications for childcare workers and higher staffing ratios
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Speaker 2: in childcare centers. There should be a clear distinction between
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Speaker 2: childcare for children up to two and preschool for kids
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Speaker 2: after three. There should also be a clear distinction between
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Speaker 2: child minding and teaching. There should be better integration between childcare,
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Speaker 2: pre school and then primary school, and there should be
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Speaker 2: suitable support for all families with children, families that want
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Speaker 2: to look after their own children as well as those
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Speaker 2: who prefer to send them to a childcare center. Don't
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Speaker 2: forget the rationale for government spending any money at all
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Speaker 2: on childcare used to be. And you hear the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister there that it would enable women to stay in
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Speaker 2: the workforce, boost productivity, boost the economy, and of course
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Speaker 2: bring back into the coffers the taxes those workers would pay.
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Speaker 2: But under this labor government there's no real requirement for
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Speaker 2: parents using childcare to be working, so subsidies have become
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Speaker 2: a way to pad out union membership and buy votes
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Speaker 2: and not make the economy any stronger. I mean, basically,
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Speaker 2: taxpayers are now funding care for people who don't want
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Speaker 2: to look after their own children, not as parents who
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Speaker 2: work full time. You can be at home, put your
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Speaker 2: kids into care and taxpayers will pay for it.
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Speaker 5: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: Under this government parents can get taxpayer funded childcare, even
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Speaker 2: where they earn over five hundred thousand dollars a year
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Speaker 2: half a million dollars, and effectively you get welfare. I
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Speaker 2: try telling a pensioner who can't afford to turn the
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Speaker 2: heater on that that's fair. One of the justifications for
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Speaker 2: today's cash splash is that childcare centers can't get staffed.
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Speaker 2: But that's partly because under labor NDIS workers or they
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Speaker 2: earn about fifty dollars an hour. So why be a
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Speaker 2: childcare worker when the NDS pays you more. In other words,
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Speaker 2: extravagant government spending in one area often necessitates extravagant government
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Speaker 2: funding in another area. The Prime Minister says he's helping
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Speaker 2: us with all of these government handouts, but really he's
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Speaker 2: just helping himself. This isn't a productivity measure, This isn't
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Speaker 2: about better childcare. This is about paying off union mates.
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Speaker 2: It's about buying votes at the next election. And as
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Speaker 2: with everything this Prime Minister does, it's usually your money
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Speaker 2: to do it at a time when you're barely surviving yourself. Now, look,
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Speaker 2: I suspect most of you, like the country, have been
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Speaker 2: caught up in the Olympics gold rush. As we broke
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Speaker 2: a new record today Australia's most successful Olympics ever in Paris,
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Speaker 2: and the competition's not even over yet. All credit to
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Speaker 2: the dedication and talent of our olympians, not just the
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Speaker 2: medalists but all of them on our team and their
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Speaker 2: families as well. But I also want to acknowledge an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary Australian who has put her money where her mouth
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Speaker 2: is and has supported much of this success. Of course,
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Speaker 2: here I'm talking about Gena Ryan Hart. Now it's hard
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Speaker 2: to credit but at the London Olympics in twenty twelve,
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Speaker 2: our swimming team hit rock bottom, with Australia coming home
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Speaker 2: with just one gold medal for the entire competition. And
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Speaker 2: that's when, through her foundation and her business, Hancock Prospecting,
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Speaker 2: Missus Ryan Hart became a godmother of sorts to Australian sport.
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Speaker 7: All up.
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Speaker 2: She palls and estimated ten million dollars every year into swimming, rowing,
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Speaker 2: volleyball and artistic swimming. And that's close to one hundred
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Speaker 2: million dollars she's spent since London, and she's also promised
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Speaker 2: to keep it up until the Brisbane Olympics at least. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's most interesting is not just how much she gives
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Speaker 2: away to sport where she chooses to spend it, how
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Speaker 2: she spends it. Gina Reinhardt doesn't bankroll the sporting organizations.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't fund a big, bloated head off a structure. Instead,
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Speaker 2: she helps to support the athletes directly. Her millions go
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Speaker 2: to them as individuals so that they can pay their rent,
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Speaker 2: to put food on the table and do all the
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Speaker 2: training needed to make it on the world stage. As
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Speaker 2: Olympic greade Kate Campbell told The Australian, Reinhart has saved
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Speaker 2: Australian swimming because of her direct payments to otherwise cash
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Speaker 2: strapped young athletes. Now, thanks to Reinhart, they effectively get
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Speaker 2: paid a decent wage to train to become a limp
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Speaker 2: swim star. Shada Jack said, the success and the longevity
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Speaker 2: of careers we've seen in Paris are all directly related
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Speaker 2: to her support. Now all are more than ninety athletes
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Speaker 2: are supported by her philanthropy. Now, sure, gena right art
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Speaker 2: has a lot of money, but she doesn't have to
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Speaker 2: give it away, and unlike other billionaires, she's not funding
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Speaker 2: climate alarmism. All the teals or other activists when asked
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Speaker 2: why she supported the Olympians, missus Reinhart said, I see
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Speaker 2: this as a positive win win, hard working, inspiring role
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Speaker 2: models representing our nation at their patriotic best, making Ozzies
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Speaker 2: across the country happy and proud. So my answer is
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Speaker 2: why not, Well, someone like me who's loved watching the
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Speaker 2: Australians do so well in Paris. I'm grateful as the
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Speaker 2: athletes are. Gena right art is a patriot is chosen
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Speaker 2: to back our Olympians.
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Speaker 5: I know you think that too.
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Speaker 2: Good on, Gina, All right, let's go to camraown with
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Speaker 2: the headlines Skyner's political reporter cam Reddin good evening.
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Speaker 8: Childcare workers will receive a fifteen percent pay boost beginning December,
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Speaker 8: so long as centers agree to limit the increase of fees.
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Speaker 4: This will apply across the board for not for profit,
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Speaker 4: for profit for out of school hour's care.
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Speaker 8: The scheme will cost three point six billion dollars over the.
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Speaker 9: Next two years.
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Speaker 8: It's good for staff to be eligible. Childcare operators must
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Speaker 8: not hike their fees by more than four point four
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Speaker 8: percent this year.
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Speaker 7: It's good for workers and it's good for parents.
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Speaker 3: It's not going to be a benefit to the childcat
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Speaker 3: workers if we just see interest rates stay higher for
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Speaker 3: longer under labor.
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Speaker 8: The Prime Minister maintains he is on the same page
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Speaker 8: as the Reserve Bank about the state of Australia is economy.
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Speaker 9: The RBA and Treasury are brawling at the moment. That's
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Speaker 9: not true, Peter.
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Speaker 4: We agree that inflation needs to be further moderated.
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Speaker 6: They're doing what they can do in that area, and
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Speaker 6: I'm doing what I can do in that area.
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Speaker 8: The Reserve Bank believes the economy is running a bit
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Speaker 8: hot due in part to a stronger outlook for government spending.
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Speaker 6: Their job is also to get inflation down and they
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Speaker 6: acknowledge that, but it's also to provide services and infrastructure.
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Speaker 3: You've now got a war between the Albanesi government and
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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank Governor.
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Speaker 8: Cross examination of Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds has continued in
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Speaker 8: her defamation trial brought against former staff member Britney Higgins.
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Speaker 8: The former Defense Minister has explained why she leaked confidential
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Speaker 8: letters relating to miss Higgins's compensation settlement with the Commonwealth
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Speaker 8: to a newspaper columnist. Senator Reynolds told the court she
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Speaker 8: felt frozen out of the settlement process and was in
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Speaker 8: incredibly angry. She says she leaked the letters so her
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Speaker 8: concerns about the settlement's handling could be made public. Senator
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Speaker 8: Reynolds is suing Brittney Higgins for defamation over a series
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Speaker 8: of social media posts.
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Speaker 5: Let's take a.
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Speaker 2: Close look at those headlines and more. I'm joined now
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Speaker 2: by media writer for The Australian, Sophie Ellsworth and the
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Speaker 2: Deputy executive Director the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wilde.
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Speaker 5: Well, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get into this whole travesty I regard
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Speaker 2: it today of taxpayer spending on childcare, private company wages
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Speaker 2: with Judas Sloan in a moment, but these ongoing stash
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Speaker 2: now between the RBA and the government, of the issue
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Speaker 2: of sticky inflation, the Reserve Bank governor saying government spending
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Speaker 2: is exacerbating things. A Prime minister disagrees, as he told
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Speaker 2: my colleague Peter Stefanovic this morning.
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Speaker 9: Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big
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Speaker 9: spending federal and STAF budgets.
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Speaker 4: Well that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect.
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Speaker 9: And well this is the quote here from the RBA
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Speaker 9: public demand is forecast to be stronger than previously expected,
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Speaker 9: reflecting recent public spending announcements by federal and state governments.
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Speaker 9: Are you saying they're wrong. Yeah, that's very different.
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Speaker 4: That's very different from from the way that you characterized
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Speaker 4: to Peter, we've made sure fiscal policy, budget policy works
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Speaker 4: arm in arm with monetary Well that's not working.
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Speaker 9: At all because the RBA and Treasury are brawling at
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Speaker 9: the moment. That's not true, Peter. Well, you're saying completely different.
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Speaker 4: Inflation.
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Speaker 7: No, we're no, we're not.
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Speaker 2: This is all over the media today. The government is
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Speaker 2: it old with the RBA. And it's not just Peter Stefanovic.
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Speaker 2: It's not just a Reserve Bank governor. That's a view
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Speaker 2: of expert economists. And I'll tell you, Sophi, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is only credentials. He could point to at the
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Speaker 2: last election campaign about his economics clout was one essay,
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Speaker 2: a single essay he wrote at university. I mean, why
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Speaker 2: would anyone listen to him over the Reserve Bank?
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, Australians will see that for what it is.
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Speaker 10: They are not stupid. They can see that their costs
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Speaker 10: are going up.
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Speaker 11: We've had thirteen.
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Speaker 10: Rate rises now and the words of Michelle Bullock speak
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Speaker 10: for themselves. People are hurting, So for the Prime Minister
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Speaker 10: to try and do a bit of gas lighting there
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Speaker 10: and bluff the public, they will see straight through that
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Speaker 10: when they're looking at their bills. They know that their
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Speaker 10: bills are going up, and they are going up in
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Speaker 10: recent years and particularly since.
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Speaker 11: The last election.
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Speaker 10: So it's whether there will be more rate rises, which
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Speaker 10: Mischelle Bullock has not ruled out, and that could be
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Speaker 10: ahead of the next election, and that could be very
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Speaker 10: catastrophic for Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 2: The other side of this the corollary Daniel growth. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: the RBA in its forward fourcast so this current financial
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Speaker 2: year at the end of June next year, they're saying
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Speaker 2: we're going to grow by the rate of one percent.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's virtually anemic.
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Speaker 2: We also have heard today there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: businesses that are dropping off the cliff. We've got eleven
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Speaker 2: thousand companies going into administration. That's up a massive thirty
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Speaker 2: nine percent on the previous financial year. We know households
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Speaker 2: are doing it tough, we know businesses are doing it tough.
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Speaker 2: And when business. Does it tough people lose their jobs.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, Peter. There's a couple of key things there.
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Speaker 1: The first to hit on is that growth is aggregate growth.
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Speaker 1: The per capital growth would be much lower. And as
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Speaker 1: we've talked about before, Peter, over the last few months,
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Speaker 1: this is not a growth government. This is a redistributionist government.
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Speaker 1: There are no policies to grow the economy for the
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Speaker 1: benefit of all Australians. There is a lot of redistribution
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Speaker 1: and funding for sectional interests and that's why he isn't
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Speaker 1: getting ahead from a policy front. All you have to
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Speaker 1: do is look at what's happening. We've got unplanned mass migration,
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Speaker 1: which is the only level the government is pulling to
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Speaker 1: grow the overall economy, but as we know, it's making
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Speaker 1: Australians poorer on a per capita basis. We've got the
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Speaker 1: energy policy and net zero, which is causing energy prices
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Speaker 1: to go up. They're trying to paper over that with
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Speaker 1: the subsidy, which is only going to add further to
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Speaker 1: inflationary pressures. And of course we've got the industrial relations
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Speaker 1: of regulation, which is going to make it very difficult
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Speaker 1: for small businesses to employ casual staff and all of
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Speaker 1: the extra red tape that comes with that. So it's
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Speaker 1: no wonder that we're seeing these businesses go to the
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Speaker 1: wall and very very weak growth.
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Speaker 2: If you grew up in the ear two thousand or
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Speaker 2: you had kids in that era, you'll remember these CD compilations.
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Speaker 2: They were called so fresh, they came out every few months.
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Speaker 2: They had all the recent hits. Well, the PM or
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Speaker 2: someone in his office ought to be a good idea
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Speaker 2: to use that as a bit of a social media
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Speaker 2: brag about how well they're dealing with cost of living.
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Speaker 2: They're on the front of that CD cover all the
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Speaker 2: top hits, increased rent assistance, it says tax cuts, we'll
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Speaker 2: pay per rental leave now one way quickly responded or
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Speaker 2: what's on the flip side?
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Speaker 5: PM?
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Speaker 2: Record rate rises, record fuel prices, record rental prices, record
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Speaker 2: house prices, record grocery prices, record power prices. I mean, Sophie,
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Speaker 2: how on earth could they.
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Speaker 5: Be that dumb?
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, it's pretty tone def this messaging. Perhaps they're
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Speaker 10: trying to cater to a younger voter base by putting
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Speaker 10: out something like that. It's really quite silly in my view.
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Speaker 10: And again, like I said earlier, people know the pain
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Speaker 10: they're feeling, so they might be getting some of these
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Speaker 10: you know, rebates and so forth. But yes, they are
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Speaker 10: paying exorbitant costs at the bowser, they're paying huge amounts
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Speaker 10: of prices at the supermarket. Their rents and mortgages are
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Speaker 10: going up. So I think perhaps the government needs to
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Speaker 10: not worry putting out things like this, Peter.
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Speaker 5: And let's not.
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Speaker 10: Forget the three headed fish they were putting out with
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Speaker 10: the nuclear policies. Some of these things are very trivial
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Speaker 10: and very silly.
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Speaker 5: Dan.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about this fight that's now
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Speaker 2: erupted across the eastern seaboard about work from home. New
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Speaker 2: South Wales premier says, get back into the office.
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Speaker 5: We find out.
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Speaker 2: Today that they're not actually keeping the statistics of who's
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Speaker 2: in the office and who's out of the office. Now
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Speaker 2: someone will say, why aren't they keeping the statistics, Peter, Well,
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Speaker 2: a government doesn't keep the statistics doesn't want to know.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to be told that. I want the
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Speaker 2: media to find out that's why they're.
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Speaker 5: Not keeping the statistics.
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Speaker 2: But the Queensland premier, when asked today, said he doesn't
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Speaker 2: want the work from home option to end. In Queensland
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Speaker 2: the public servants can still work from home. We no,
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Speaker 2: of course they can.
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Speaker 5: In Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I think basically everyone in Canber's working from home. I
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Speaker 2: mean talk about productivity flagging. This is part of the
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Speaker 2: problem the RBA is trying.
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Speaker 5: To fix.
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Speaker 1: Exactly right, Peter. In terms of Chris Men's I think
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Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot of key decisions right and deserves
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Speaker 1: to be credited for that. Keeping the era in coal
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Speaker 1: fire POWERstation going was critical, making sure ANZAC day has
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Speaker 1: proper respect and now say in the public servant you're
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Speaker 1: going to have to go back into the office. So
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Speaker 1: good on him for showing that leadership. Unfortunately it's not
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Speaker 1: being followed in Queensland or in Victoria. I think this
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Speaker 1: gets to a bigger challenge we face as well, Peter,
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Speaker 1: which is when you actually look at the jobs growth
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Speaker 1: in Australia, the vast majority of the jobs that are
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Speaker 1: being created are that in the public sector or in
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Speaker 1: public sector adjacent and dependent industries such as education, healthcare
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Speaker 1: and the NDIS. So we have a growing share of
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Speaker 1: the population that is in these public sector taxpayer funded jobs,
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Speaker 1: but a decreasing share that are in wealth creating industries
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Speaker 1: that are needed to fund those social services and public
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Speaker 1: service jobs. So as you say, there's the productivity element,
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Speaker 1: but there's also well, hang on, who's actually out there
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Speaker 1: generating the wealth to pay for everything that we can.
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Speaker 2: And look bentone deaf must be a genetic disposition of
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Speaker 2: labor politicians and ex politicians. Let's go to the United States,
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd, our ambassador to the US, the Department of
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Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs. They've splashed out more than two thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: Sophie on a pride party at Rud's private residence that
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Speaker 2: we pay for last year. It had performances by drag
21:26
Speaker 2: queens and thousands of dollars of balloons. We only know
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Speaker 2: about this because of FOI documents.
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Speaker 10: I mean, seriously, not a good look, Peter, for Kevin
21:38
Speaker 10: Rudd and Australians will be scratching their heads to think,
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Speaker 10: why are we wasting money on.
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Speaker 5: Things like this?
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Speaker 10: And yes, it's really not appropriate that the only way
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Speaker 10: we find out about this is through freedom of information.
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Speaker 10: But the question with these sorts of things, Peter, I
21:55
Speaker 10: believe is always does it pass the pub test? And
21:59
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure that one doesn't, not.
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Speaker 2: At all, Thank you. Both for see next week. Right now,
22:05
Speaker 2: just more bad news for the green zalets. Today, the
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Speaker 2: resources giant Glencore is staring down the ESG purists and
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Speaker 2: walking back plans to move away from coal, instead opting
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Speaker 2: for profits over environmental virtue signaling. And why wouldn't Glencore
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Speaker 2: do that when cole historically produces between a third and
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Speaker 2: half of its earnings. Joining me now to discuss this
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Speaker 2: environment editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd Well. The CEO
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Speaker 2: of glen Core Gary Nagel, said he had this change
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Speaker 2: of heart after feedback from shareholders supported the retention of coal.
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Speaker 2: In fact, ninety five percent of them back to move
22:45
Speaker 2: Where told Graham so often that shareholders are the one
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Speaker 2: that demand investment from coal, but ninety five percent is
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Speaker 2: pretty clear they want to stay in the coal game.
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Speaker 11: Yes, good evening, Peter Well. This is the the thing.
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Speaker 11: A lot of the noisy shareholders that are making these demands,
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Speaker 11: generally pension funds and other groups that have made the investment,
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Speaker 11: particularly to advocate for decarbonization and other measures. Glencore's looking
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Speaker 11: at the bigger picture here and it's saying that the
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Speaker 11: numbers show that coal use continues to rise. A replacement
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Speaker 11: for cocing coal in stillmaking is a long way off.
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Speaker 11: There's a real business here, and so it's decided it's
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Speaker 11: going to stick in the coal game. And it's saying
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Speaker 11: that the big trend in ESG environmental investing is that
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Speaker 11: people are losing their faith in this. They're moving away
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Speaker 11: from it in the United States and where we can
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Speaker 11: see that trend starting here as well.
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Speaker 5: And we know we.
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Speaker 2: Talked about this last week, but a lot of companies
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Speaker 2: have no intention to get into their twenty thirty targets.
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Speaker 2: A good proportion of them haven't even started. So I
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Speaker 2: think shareholders as say, you know, we're calling this out.
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Speaker 2: Do you think other companies now might be emboldened by
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Speaker 2: what glenn Core has done.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 11: I think companies set targets off into the future, and
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Speaker 11: the future has a habit of coming into the present
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Speaker 11: time frame. And we're seeing companies that have made big
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Speaker 11: calls start to moderate what they think they will be
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Speaker 11: able to do, and that includes getting out of things
24:29
Speaker 11: like fossil fuel businesses when there's clearly still a demand
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Speaker 11: for it and it's a very profitable enterprise.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's give credit where credit's due. West Australian Labor
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Rider Safiote is saying that economic and energy security
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Speaker 2: can't be thrown out the door when assessing environmental impacts
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Speaker 2: of gas projects. This, of course relates to thirty billion dollar,
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Speaker 2: thirty billion dollar, I'll say that again, Brow's project off
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Speaker 2: the WA coast, which is now in a serious doubt
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Speaker 2: after WA's EPA, its environmental body formed a preliminary view
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Speaker 2: that the project was unacceptable. Now what do they mean
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Speaker 2: by unacceptable? What are the grounds for the EPA's objections.
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Speaker 11: Well, as you say, Peter, this is a preliminary decision
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Speaker 11: and the EPA has raised concerns about whale migration, the
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Speaker 11: pygmy blue whale, some nesting sites for turtles, and the
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Speaker 11: possibility of oil spills or accidents on the Scott's reef
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Speaker 11: off the coast. Now, the Browse development is Australia's largest
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Speaker 11: undeveloped gas field. Woodside has been trying for many, many
25:48
Speaker 11: years to get this developed. It was thwarted on plans
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Speaker 11: at James Price Point near Broom and then came up
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Speaker 11: with the idea to pump the gas down nine hundred
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Speaker 11: kilometers down the coast. To existing facilities. It is part
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Speaker 11: of Western Australia's long term horizon for staying in the
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Speaker 11: gas business. And this is why the state government is
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Speaker 11: very concerned that it's going to be frustrated because what
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Speaker 11: we're seeing is Woodside already is starting to make big,
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Speaker 11: multi billion dollar investments in other countries and if it
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Speaker 11: becomes too difficult to invest here, they'll simply go and
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Speaker 11: that is bad news for Western Australia.
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Speaker 2: Square this circle for me, Why do the whales in
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Speaker 2: Wa matter when it comes to a gas project, but
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Speaker 2: the whales off the coast of New South Wales with
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Speaker 2: a wind farm don't matter, Nor do the eagles in
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Speaker 2: Tasmania when it comes to wind farm approvals.
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Speaker 11: Well, that's a circle or a square that can't be circled.
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Speaker 11: I think that the whales need to be considered in
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Speaker 11: all instances, and I think there's a pretty strong case
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Speaker 11: that the impact from the seismic on renewable developments close
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Speaker 11: to shore in known whale habitat areas is something that
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Speaker 11: needs the same amount of attention and there needs to
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Speaker 11: be a credible plan to mitigate any impacts.
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Speaker 2: Gramlloyd, thank you if you want to know how we
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Speaker 2: pay our way as a country. It's through developments like
27:31
Speaker 2: that thirty billion dollar BROWS program and obviously the money
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Speaker 2: that Glencore pays Canberra after it.
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Speaker 5: Exports our coal.
27:40
Speaker 2: When you look at that childcare bill, this is what
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Speaker 2: matters all right after the break, Why on earth is
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Speaker 2: the government subsidizing the private sector wages of childcare workers.
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Speaker 2: Plus the war of words heats up between the RB
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Speaker 2: and the Governor over what's exactly driving inflation.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Still to come the important intervention in the law reform debate,
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Speaker 2: with Australia's peak legal body declaring that the presumption of
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Speaker 2: insisons must stand despite calls to end it in favor
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Speaker 2: of those alleging rape and sexual assault. But first I
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Speaker 2: want to return to the absurd decision today from the
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Speaker 2: government to subsidize the wages of private sector childcare workers. Now,
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Speaker 2: in specific terms, it's a fifteen percent pay rise. It'll
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Speaker 2: cost you three point six billion dollars a year, and
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Speaker 2: that's on top of the many billions you already pay
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Speaker 2: for childcare. Between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three, childcare
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Speaker 2: subsidies increased from eight point one billion to almost thirteen billion.
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Speaker 2: Now baking the money from today's announcement, and taxpayers are
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Speaker 2: paying over fifteen billion a year on childcare from here
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Speaker 2: on in and it keeps rising. For more on these,
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Speaker 2: let's bring in contributing economics editor at The Australian. Due
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Speaker 2: to Sloane, I don't think anyone but Grudge's childcare work
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Speaker 2: is receiving more pay. But surely it's not the job
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Speaker 2: of government to subsidize wages in the private sector, is it.
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, if everyone wants more pay, so I think
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Speaker 13: we can discard that as an argument. Look, I think
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Speaker 13: we knew this was coming. There was a very big
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Speaker 13: dollar amount attached to the contingency line in the budget
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Speaker 13: this year, and so that's probably where it's going to
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Speaker 13: be funded from. When I say funded from, of course
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Speaker 13: they're predicting a deficit, so they'll be borrowing the money.
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Speaker 13: But yeah, look, I totally agree with you. You know
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Speaker 13: they set the precedent with age care. You know they
29:52
Speaker 13: want to back a big pay rise. Let's not forget
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Speaker 13: it's very much a leg up for the UNI. And
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Speaker 13: we can go through some of those details because they're
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Speaker 13: very important. They know that the end use of the
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Speaker 13: parents can't afford a big increase in the fees, so
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Speaker 13: the tax payers on the hook.
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Speaker 5: Is this good policy? No, it's terrible.
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Speaker 13: And I mean you quoted some figures going from eight
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Speaker 13: billion dollars to I think currently, I think it's just
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Speaker 13: a tad under fourteen billion dollars a year on child
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Speaker 13: care subsidies. If we go back, you know, even fifteen
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Speaker 13: years ago, it was quite a small amount of money.
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Speaker 5: So it's just been.
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Speaker 13: An upward movement year and year out. And as you say,
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Speaker 13: you know, there's a lot of private, secret involvement, and
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Speaker 13: the investors probably do quite well out of this.
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Speaker 2: We've always been told that the justification to put public
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Speaker 2: money into childcase subsidies, I'm not talking about the wages here.
30:53
Speaker 2: The underlying subsidies is productivity. Get women back to the workforce,
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Speaker 2: get them attached to work while they're in the child
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Speaker 2: bearing years. And of course they'll be obviously paying tax
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Speaker 2: if they're working. But I went through this at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show. I think a lot of viewers
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Speaker 2: would be really surprised to know you can still get
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Speaker 2: a childcare place and the subsidy even if you're not
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Speaker 2: in paid work. Now, that makes a mockery of any
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Speaker 2: argument that this is an economic measure, and take us
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Speaker 2: through this connection to the unions, because I think you're
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Speaker 2: absolutely spot on.
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Speaker 13: Well, of course, you know, they don't really care whether
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Speaker 13: the participants, the parents are engaged. It's called the activity tests.
31:38
Speaker 13: They don't really care. They just want the children and
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Speaker 13: the center and the subsidies attached to it. I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 13: I agree with you. I think you know, in exchange
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Speaker 13: for these subsidies, we should expect participation in the workforce.
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Speaker 13: But here's a really important point. This is subsidies only
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Speaker 13: for center based care, right, So if you want to
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Speaker 13: go for other forms of care, if you want to say,
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Speaker 13: involved your neighbor, if you want to have a nanny, no, no, no,
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Speaker 13: those are not subsidized activities. So you're actually just storting
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Speaker 13: the form of childcare that's available for subsidy. And that
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Speaker 13: is the link with the unions, because obviously, like nannies
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Speaker 13: aren't going to become unionized, home based care workers aren't
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Speaker 13: going to become unionized. So this is very much a
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Speaker 13: link to a union leg up because if you look
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Speaker 13: at the details, centers will only get this subsidy on
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Speaker 13: two conditions. One is that they enter into either a
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Speaker 13: multi employer enterprise agreement with the unions or a single
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Speaker 13: enterprise agreement with the unions. And I think also they
32:53
Speaker 13: have to enter into an arrangement which is a bit
32:55
Speaker 13: of a joke, that for one year and one year only,
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Speaker 13: they will restrict fee increases to I think a little
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Speaker 13: over four percent. Who knows what happens in the next year,
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Speaker 13: because I mean most of these firms can probably kind of,
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Speaker 13: you know, cope for one year, then maybe next year
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Speaker 13: will be eight percent. But you know, is this Peter
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Speaker 13: is not about economic policy. This is not about promoting
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Speaker 13: workforce participation, let alone past this productivity. It's very much
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Speaker 13: about politics.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, just if I can, before
33:33
Speaker 2: you go. The stash between the government and the RBA.
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Speaker 2: The RBA governments pretty clear. The government spending is exacerbating inflation.
33:44
Speaker 2: The Treasury yesterday the Prime Minister today are basically shouting
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Speaker 2: down the governor saying that's not what she's saying, that's
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Speaker 2: not right. You're the economic expert, Judith, where do you stand?
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Speaker 5: Oh? I think she's great.
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Speaker 13: I think Michelle Bullock, particularly if you listen to the
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Speaker 13: media conference after the decision was released, she made it
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Speaker 13: very clear that excess government spending is contributing to the problem. Right,
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Speaker 13: I mean, she's absolutely right in terms of the economics
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Speaker 13: of this. I mean, alban Easy and Charmers are sort
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Speaker 13: of trying to make a political point, which they're saying,
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Speaker 13: if we use taxpayers money to manipulate the CPI, then
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Speaker 13: you know we've done the trick. But what Michelle is
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Speaker 13: saying is that, well, we look through that, look at
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Speaker 13: the trim mean, we basically factor out the subsidies. So
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Speaker 13: I mean I would make I guess a bigger point here, Peter,
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Speaker 13: and that is the integrity of our institutions very important
34:48
Speaker 13: to how economic policy and indeed how society works. And
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Speaker 13: in a sense, this is really I think an attack
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Speaker 13: on the integrity of the Reserve Bank, an attack that
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Speaker 13: is unjustified, I might add, but I don't think it's helpful,
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Speaker 13: and it's not helpful for sort of investor certainty. And
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Speaker 13: at a time as we've seen overseas considerable turmoil in
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Speaker 13: the sort of capital markets, this is not a very
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Speaker 13: helpful development.
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Speaker 5: Judef Sloan, thank you for your analysis.
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Speaker 2: All right after the break, the worrying push that could
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Speaker 2: see the burden of proof drastically lowered in sexual assault cases.
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Speaker 2: Plus we'll get an update on the ongoing Linda Reynolds
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Speaker 2: defamation action against Britain. Higgins welcome back is still to come.
35:39
Speaker 2: The government's close to finalizing long awaited intelectoral forms. So
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Speaker 2: good for good for democracy, all good for labor. Well
35:47
Speaker 2: like get that assessment in a moment, But first Labor
35:50
Speaker 2: pushing ahead with other reforms. These are to reshape the
35:53
Speaker 2: administration of rape trials in the wake of the me
35:56
Speaker 2: too movement. Now there's been a very important intervention into
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Speaker 2: the debate where the Australia's Peak a legal body challenging
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Speaker 2: any move that would lower the burden of proof. In
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Speaker 2: their submission to the Australian Law Reform Commission's inquiry, the
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Speaker 2: Law Council of Australia said, and I quote the presumption
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Speaker 2: of innocence, the right to silence, the right or trial
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Speaker 2: old jury, the burden of proof resting on the prosecution,
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Speaker 2: and the criminal standard of proof which is beyond reasonable
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Speaker 2: doubt are all essential to the integrity.
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Speaker 5: Of the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 2: While acknowledging that this approach can have an impact upon complainants,
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Speaker 2: the Law Council maintains the presumption of innocence is the
36:38
Speaker 2: cornerstone of our criminal justice system. You do you want
36:42
Speaker 2: to me now to discuss this and more? Legal Affairs
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Speaker 2: contributor at The Australia to Chris Merit. We've long talked
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Speaker 2: about these reforms, Chris, but this is a huge intervention
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Speaker 2: for people outside the legal world. The Law Council represents
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Speaker 2: all the state and territory. Bar Asso says, law societies
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Speaker 2: advocates for more than one hundred thousand lawyers across the country.
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Speaker 2: How much of it impact will this submission be to
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Speaker 2: think in the final report from the Law Reform Commission.
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Speaker 7: Well, I hope it will be decisive. But I should
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Speaker 7: say as well that within the last hour the Law
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Speaker 7: Council's concerns have been echoed by no lesser voice than
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Speaker 7: Virginia Bell, a former judge of the High Court. She's
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Speaker 7: made a speech that's been reported in The Australian on
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Speaker 7: expressing much the same concern that there should be no
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Speaker 7: move to wind back these fundamental principles. This is what
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Speaker 7: it means to be in a country governed by the
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Speaker 7: rule of law. It's very dangerous when this inquiry has
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Speaker 7: been asked by the Attorney General to go back specifically
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Speaker 7: and have a look at the record of ministerial discussions
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Speaker 7: of August last year that raised exactly these sort of questions.
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Speaker 7: Should the presumption of innocence be reviewed, should the right
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Speaker 7: to a fair trial? Should there be another look at
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Speaker 7: that in the light of what's good for complainants? This
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Speaker 7: is directly at odds with the principles of the rule
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Speaker 7: of law, and it comes as absolutely no surprise that
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Speaker 7: one hundred thousand lawyers, who usually are very difficult to
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Speaker 7: extract consensus from one hundred thousand lawyers, have said, well,
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Speaker 7: by all means, reform the criminal justice system to ease
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Speaker 7: the adverse impact on complainants, but don't do anything that
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Speaker 7: alters these fundamental principles. These are far too important.
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Speaker 2: So, just in sort of practical simple terms for viewers
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Speaker 2: at home, someone alleges rape, we know too often in
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Speaker 2: the media they're called a victim and there's no guilt
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Speaker 2: being proven, thea hasn't been met, when in fact they
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Speaker 2: should be called a complainant.
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Speaker 5: Does that mean that.
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Speaker 2: The person they've logged the allegation against doesn't get the
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Speaker 2: presumption in innocence meaning there is a presumption that they
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Speaker 2: did it, and what have to prove that they didn't.
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Speaker 7: Look, you're absolutely right, there's been a move to take
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Speaker 7: control of the language of lauriform. We saw it when
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Speaker 7: this inquiry we're talking about an inquiry being run by
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Speaker 7: the Law Reform Commission. When it was announced we were
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Speaker 7: talking about the government was talking about victim survivors, giving
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Speaker 7: victim survivors a better experience. The report of that meeting
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Speaker 7: I spoke about earlier refers to exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 7: The reality is, nothing's been proved until the court says
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Speaker 7: it's been proved. There are no victim survivors until the
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Speaker 7: court has ruled before then their campaign.
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Speaker 5: Criminal court criminal.
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Speaker 7: Yes, if you lose control of the language, it's very
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Speaker 7: easy to slip into thinking that lacks rigor, and that's
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Speaker 7: what we're in danger of losing.
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Speaker 2: Talk to about this defamation Trilon and you're watching it closely.
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds suing Brittany Higgins for defamation over alleged comments
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Speaker 2: you made that were defamatory. That's the claim of Linda Reynolds.
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Speaker 2: Day five. We know that there's been testimony so far.
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Speaker 2: What's your take.
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Speaker 7: Of things, look the bombshell today. Today's bombshell concerns Mark Dreyfus.
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Speaker 7: Now I preface this by saying it's been made in
40:44
Speaker 7: a privileged forum, and Mark Dreyfus has not had an
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Speaker 7: opportunity to respond. He should have an opportunity to respond.
40:52
Speaker 7: But Linda Reynolds has asserted that Mark Dreyfus corruptly manipulated
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Speaker 7: the law during the mediation proceedings with Britney Higgins that
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Speaker 7: led to a payout. Now this came out when Miss Higgins'
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Speaker 7: council put it to Senator Reynolds that she disclosed this
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Speaker 7: to Janet Albertson of The Australian with the aim of
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Speaker 7: harming Miss Higgins. Senator Reynolds firmly rejected that and said, no,
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Speaker 7: that wasn't my purpose at all. My purpose was to
41:29
Speaker 7: make it clear that I'd been silenced, I'd been shut
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Speaker 7: out of this proceeding. I hadn't had an opportunity, excuse
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Speaker 7: me to even see the accusation that against me, Against
41:42
Speaker 7: Senator Reynolds, that was her purpose, and the accusation against
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Speaker 7: the first law officer of the country I think is
41:51
Speaker 7: absolutely extraordinary and I don't think it's fair to mister
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Speaker 7: Drayfus for this to be left unaddressed. It now needs
41:59
Speaker 7: to be resolved one way or the other. You can't
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Speaker 7: have the first law officer deprived of an opportunity to
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Speaker 7: provide his side of things. Now. I've been a long
42:11
Speaker 7: term critic of the rules governing the payout in the
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Speaker 7: Higgins mediation. I think they're shot through with a loophole
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Speaker 7: that leaves the way open for arbitrary decision making. And
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Speaker 7: arbitrary decision making is the antithesis of the rule of law.
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Speaker 7: So that's one thing. But if there's this accusation of
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Speaker 7: corrupt manipulation of the law against the first law officer,
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Speaker 7: I think mister Drayfus deserves the opportunity to put his
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Speaker 7: case before aral arbiter, a neutral decision maker, so that
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Speaker 7: we can get to the bottom of this, so that
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Speaker 7: it's not simply left hanging over the head of a
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Speaker 7: man who hasn't had an opportunity to put his side
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Speaker 7: of things.
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Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: All right, after the break, the PM's outrage over CFMU
43:06
Speaker 2: is hollow, I'll explain why. And electoral reform Welcome back, well,
43:15
Speaker 2: it's a big issue electoral reform, making our elections more
43:19
Speaker 2: transparent and to protect them from routing. The Albanezi governments
43:24
Speaker 2: canvas to whole over reforms including donation caps on the
43:28
Speaker 2: amount of money that individual candidates can receive and also
43:31
Speaker 2: how much a party can spend in a particular seat.
43:34
Speaker 2: Now we won't see the legislation until September nine. There's
43:39
Speaker 2: talk these reforms will commence next parliamentary term and that
43:44
Speaker 2: it will mean for those who break the rules jail
43:46
Speaker 2: time and big fines. Let's bring in my panel. They
43:50
Speaker 2: both know a little bit about electoral system, both of
43:52
Speaker 2: them Queensland Senator for the L ANDP and a former
43:55
Speaker 2: campaign chief James Bergra and former Howard government era advisor
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Speaker 2: spectator contributor Terry Barnes. Well, James, you're the former chair
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Speaker 2: of the Parliament's Committee on Election Laws. Are these reforms
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Speaker 2: a win for voters or will they favor labor and
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Speaker 2: what's missing from them?
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Speaker 5: In your view?
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Speaker 12: We're yet to see the final details of these reforms
44:21
Speaker 12: and the Coalition will only ever support reforms that actually
44:25
Speaker 12: do improve accountability but also improve fairness. So that's making
44:29
Speaker 12: sure that the coalition is treated equally to the Labor Party,
44:33
Speaker 12: but also the Teal political party is treated as a
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Speaker 12: political party. We're not going to support anything that allows
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Speaker 12: a financial gerrymander to be brought into this country as
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Speaker 12: exists in Queensland that favors the left side of politics.
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Speaker 12: So what is missing is always how are the unions
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Speaker 12: going to be treated? Because the unions are the political
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Speaker 12: and campaign arm of the Labor Party. The Labor Party
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Speaker 12: would not be able to win an election with the
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Speaker 12: the Union movement, so we need to see how they
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Speaker 12: are being treated as effectively a third party campaigning entity.
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Speaker 2: Well, just on that point, we're going to go to
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Speaker 2: the CFMU now with Terry, because we know the government
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Speaker 2: has put on pause CFMU donations and not giving them
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Speaker 2: back and in the state of Queensland, which has got
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Speaker 2: an election in October, they're still taking the money. We
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Speaker 2: learn today Terry there's a number of CMU officials that
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Speaker 2: are still on the Victorian Labor Parties Committee that chooses
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Speaker 2: candidates for state and federal elections. This is despite the
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Speaker 2: Premier saying she was going to get tough on the
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Speaker 2: Union over corruption allegations.
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Speaker 5: And on top of this, as senior.
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Speaker 2: Bandido's Biki gang enforcer was allowed to keep their job
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Speaker 2: as an organizer on major Victorian government construction projects even
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Speaker 2: after being charged with violent assault.
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Speaker 5: Now are you surprised by any of this?
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Speaker 14: Well, well, well, well, Justindra Allen pussy putting around the
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Speaker 14: CPMEU and its positions on what they call down in
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Speaker 14: Victoria the Public Office Selection Committee, which is basically the
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Speaker 14: ALP's pre selection group. There's one hundred people on it
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Speaker 14: and they've got four CPMMEU people. But because of the
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Speaker 14: way that alliance is between unions and factions work, they
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Speaker 14: can have a lot of influence. But it would be
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Speaker 14: good to see Justindra Allen, instead of saying oh it's
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Speaker 14: a party matter, step up and actually do something here
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Speaker 14: and show a bit of integrity and in regards to
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Speaker 14: the Bandido in terms of being on the CPMUMEU Building
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Speaker 14: Management Committee up to when these revelations broke in the media. Look,
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Speaker 14: he's a Bandido, he's got bikey connections, he's got alleged
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Speaker 14: criminal connections, he's got a rap sheet, he's pacing charges
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Speaker 14: in Geelong. Seems to me, if it's a selection criteria.
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Speaker 2: We shouldn't laugh because it's true and it shouldn't be true.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Queensland. The Australians reporting today
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Speaker 2: the boss of the United Workers' Union. There's a blow
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Speaker 2: called Gary Bullock, who orchestrated the elevation of Steven Miles
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Speaker 2: into the premier's job. Well, apparently he's been secretly recording
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Speaker 2: conversations of people in Brisbane offices of the union. Now
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Speaker 2: they say it's just an error, there was an upgrade
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Speaker 2: of the CCTV system. Blah blah blah blah blah. But
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Speaker 2: he's not willing to hand over these recordings. James, why
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Speaker 2: is this so important?
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Speaker 12: Comrade Bullock is the most powerful man in Queensland. He
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Speaker 12: chooses premiers, he chooses cabinet, he chooses the Labor Party candidates.
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Speaker 12: We shouldn't be surprised by this. The Labor Party, he
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Speaker 12: have got the economic policies of Soviet Russia and now
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Speaker 12: they're bringing in the surveillance methods of Soviet Russia. If
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Speaker 12: he had nothing to hide, he would release the recordings.
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Speaker 12: He released the videotape. But guess what. This isn't done
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Speaker 12: by mistake. It was done deliberately. He's doing that to
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Speaker 12: cement his control over the labor movement and to actively
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Speaker 12: threatened people by letting them know he's got videotapes of them.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me Parliament. Federal Parliament's back on Monday. They've had
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Speaker 2: a five week winter break. The Greens have already signaled
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Speaker 2: they're going to try and push the government into sanctioning
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Speaker 2: the Israeli Prime Minister benjaminet Yahoo and some of these
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Speaker 2: government They say that they've been out there knocking on
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand doors across Labor electorates are working hard, particularly
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales and Victoria, to take seats off labor. Now,
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Speaker 2: for all the prime ministers posturing about the Greens, he
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Speaker 2: said some tough things over the break, He's still very
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Speaker 2: happy to take their preferences, isn't.
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Speaker 5: It, Terry.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, Peter, and looking at opinion polls and the possibility
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Speaker 14: of a hung Parliament after the next election, if not
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Speaker 14: worse for Labor, he has no choice. But if he
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Speaker 14: has any integrity, and it goes back to what I
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Speaker 14: was saying about Jacinda Allen before, I mean this is
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Speaker 14: not just an alp party matter test of the Prime
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Speaker 14: Minister's integrity. I mean he is really committed to principles
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Speaker 14: and morality here, he should not be doing any deals
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Speaker 14: of any sort with the Greens. He should be not
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Speaker 14: looking for their preferences, He should not be looking for
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Speaker 14: their support. He should actually put them back in the
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Speaker 14: box to which they belong and lock them away and
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Speaker 14: keep them away from power.
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Speaker 2: James, you could read a poll better than anyone. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you look at the recent polls, you can see
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Speaker 2: that without the Greens, Labour doesn't even get to Benariti
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Speaker 2: government territory.
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Speaker 9: Do that.
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Speaker 5: I mean they're in a.
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Speaker 2: World of pain. How do you think this is going
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Speaker 2: to play out with the Greens?
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Speaker 12: Well, you're correct, Labor can't win elections without the Greens.
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Speaker 12: But the Greens have the power over the Labor Party.
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Speaker 12: This is why Albanize is so weak, because he does
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Speaker 12: not know what to do, because he's a left wing
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Speaker 12: prime minister and the Greens are calling the shots with
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Speaker 12: him and he needs to be nice enough to them
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Speaker 12: because it means votes after the next election as much
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Speaker 12: as it is preferences before the coming election.
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Speaker 2: All right, gotta leave it there. But you're right, it's
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Speaker 2: a fake war between the two gents. Thank you very much,
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Speaker 2: or I'll see you all on Monday, United six Up
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Speaker 2: Next and Your Bolt