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Tales of the Underworld Spoiler Review CCXXXVIII · Star Wars Alliance

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Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always. Hello and welcome
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Speaker 1: back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance. Of course,
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Clay, and with me hopefully for the
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Speaker 1: remainder of this recording. Internet is slowly just disintegrating on
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Speaker 1: her side. Katie, Katie, how you doing? Don't do a hi?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't know if that's the problem. I have
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Speaker 2: an Internet outed in my area, so we're hot spotting
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Speaker 2: this bitch. Yeah, but I have back in my normal setup.
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Speaker 2: You can't see that because we're not live. But Clay
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Speaker 2: cad which means.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say you can't hear it, you can
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Speaker 1: definitely hear. The better quality is sound.
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Speaker 2: I do apologize, guys for that aspect, but you know
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Speaker 2: what it is. What it is. We're here to party.
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Speaker 2: It talked about the Underworld.
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Speaker 1: And we are here to talk about Tales of the Underworld.
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Speaker 1: We had a tiny discussion about it before recording. Now
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Speaker 1: we will still hit those points because I think it
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Speaker 1: is very important to hit those points in this review, guys.
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Speaker 1: Tales of the Underworld released a total of six episodes
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Speaker 1: on May the fourth. Three of them were centered around
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Speaker 1: Assage Ventris, while the other three centered around cad Baine,
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Speaker 1: I sent Katie the gift of Pedro Pascal, laughing and
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Speaker 1: then turning into crying and said, only four minutes into
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Speaker 1: Tales of the Underworld, and this is how I feel. Guys.
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Speaker 1: I I am a very I'm a sucker for any
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Speaker 1: story that makes you feel feelings. And I will say
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Speaker 1: this we questioned when we saw a SaaS Venturess being
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Speaker 1: advertised for the Bad Batch. We said, holy shit, they
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Speaker 1: are actually saying, Hey, that book that everybody loves about
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Speaker 1: Assa's Venturess and her continued story throughout the Star Wars universe. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: f that book. That's what we thought. And then we
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Speaker 1: started We're like, oh, you know, screw this. We hate
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Speaker 1: the direction that they're going, but maybe, but maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: it could work. Maybe it could work if they did
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Speaker 1: this or this or this, and we were trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out how they could still keep that book in canon,
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Speaker 1: and guys, they did exactly that.
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Speaker 2: It was what we had theorized that Massage was going
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Speaker 2: to get brought back to life by the Knight Sisters
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Speaker 2: Allah Darth Maul, but in this instance, she is not
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Speaker 2: brought back by force of will, because like taosand did
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Speaker 2: to mall or thousand and interested to maul in this case,
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Speaker 2: she's offered an option. And here brings us to our
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Speaker 2: first discussion piece. She is said, you can join us
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Speaker 2: in the afterlife right now, or you can go back
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Speaker 2: to the land of the living, but you have to
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Speaker 2: give up your heart's desire.
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Speaker 1: And that was the thing. So when when they said
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Speaker 1: or you can go to the return to the land
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Speaker 1: of living, Massage question it. She said, at what costs?
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Speaker 1: And that's when we hear them say your heart's desire.
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Speaker 1: And so Kate sent me a text and said, do
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Speaker 1: you think her heart's desire was to see Oh my
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Speaker 1: gosh Quinlan Vass again? And I said, no, I think
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Speaker 1: her heart's desire is Quinlan. And I know that to
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Speaker 1: be true because I like my lip started to like
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Speaker 1: get that little like ugly cry like going. Four minutes in, guys,
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Speaker 1: four minutes in, Quinlan drops her into the water and
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Speaker 1: he says, I will always love you. This is a
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Speaker 1: legitimate acknowledgment of the story that we literally read right
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Speaker 1: before Bad Batch season three. Yeah, this, this and and
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Speaker 1: the fact that we see obi Wan as well. This
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Speaker 1: is literally the ending of that book. So we know
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Speaker 1: that in that story Quinlan and Massage. At one point,
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Speaker 1: we're thinking, hey, screw the galaxy, screw these politics. We
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Speaker 1: can leave and we we can leave all of this behind.
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Speaker 1: Yep I I truly believe her heart's desire is Quinlan.
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Speaker 2: So I raise you. I think her heart's desire was
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Speaker 2: to reunite with her sisters, but she gave it up
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Speaker 2: for the love of Quinlan. But as she like, because
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Speaker 2: we don't know where in the timeline this takes place,
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Speaker 2: I would presume it's around the time of Obi Wan Kenobi.
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Speaker 2: I feel like Assage in like this takes place after
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Speaker 2: Bad Batch. What it's so.
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Speaker 1: Well because here's here's the thing that I wanted to ask.
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Speaker 1: The moment where she is attempting to step towards Quinlan
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Speaker 1: and obi Wan and like she kind of like does
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Speaker 1: this like jerking movement moment like movement, and then she
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Speaker 1: comes back to life. Was all of the like magic
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Speaker 1: hitting the cavern and like thing like you saw like
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Speaker 1: roots were growing into plants and stuff. Was that showing
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Speaker 1: the magic or was that showing the like passage of time?
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Speaker 2: I would say that's probably showing the passage of time.
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Speaker 2: We know Bad Season three takes place within like nineteen
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Speaker 2: to eighteen. Bby is like they are everything that we've read. Says, Hey,
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Speaker 2: this takes place within a year of Revenge of the Sith,
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Speaker 2: So it's not that much time that happens, because Dark
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Speaker 2: Disciple takes place before Revenge of the Sith. But I
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Speaker 2: do think it is sometime and she just has the
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Speaker 2: memory of Quentland and obi Wan walking away in her head,
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Speaker 2: which is why you can still see them going forward.
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Speaker 2: It just takes time for the magic in this case
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Speaker 2: to work. The reason I think that her heart's desire
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Speaker 2: was reuniting with her sisters in the afterlife is because
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Speaker 2: she feels guilty for making that choice, which is why
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Speaker 2: she won't go back to Quinland, because if she had
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Speaker 2: to give up Quinlan because like to come back to life,
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Speaker 2: I don't see there being a point in that process
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Speaker 2: if she has to give up Quinlan anyways, but she
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Speaker 2: wants to return for Quinlan.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm, I I can see it, and I think that
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Speaker 3: that's I legit think this is the entire point of
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Speaker 3: not telling us is so that way people can discuss
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Speaker 3: it for sure.
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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking I do think these three episodes for
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Speaker 2: interest means that she is going to play a bigger
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Speaker 2: part in the Darth Maul series than we think in
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Speaker 2: that we are going to get some inklings of the
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Speaker 2: Path or maybe there is a Path show coming that
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Speaker 2: is going to hopefully reunite the two.
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Speaker 1: I want it so badly, want to see it.
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Speaker 2: I like and they bring back so many original actors
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Speaker 2: for this, and it's like, yeah, but like, why are
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Speaker 2: you doing this to them if you're going to give
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Speaker 2: them this heartfelt love story. And I do appreciate that
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Speaker 2: they acknowledge dark Disciple versus just like changing it around
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Speaker 2: like they did for the Ahsoka episodes. I do appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Other than this first episode in the last couple of minutes,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing special with this storytelling. It is about survival.
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Speaker 2: Like both of these arcs for Ventest and cad Paine
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Speaker 2: are about survival.
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Speaker 4: All right, y'all, we are going to hit our first
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Speaker 4: ad break and we will be right back in three
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Speaker 4: two one. But and like they're telling you how Ventest
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Speaker 4: gets to where she is, but I also feel like
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Speaker 4: there's too much of a time jump between resurrection and
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Speaker 4: her finding Lego.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we see Dark Disciple is in the novelization
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Speaker 1: timeline that is usually in front of all the books
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Speaker 1: or at the back. Ye, it's technically before Revenge of
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Speaker 1: the Seth because we know that because is still alive,
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Speaker 1: Doku's the one that killed her, so so and we
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Speaker 1: know I wish there was, so there's in the third episode.
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Speaker 1: I need you to confirm this because I was not
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Speaker 1: smart enough to actually go into the freaking credit to
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Speaker 1: look for myself. Who was that guy in the wheelchair
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Speaker 1: because I have a feeling I know, so.
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Speaker 2: It's not said, and let me look. So I'm on
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Speaker 2: the Wikipedia page. Let's see if Wikipedia has it, because
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Speaker 2: I thought we were going to get a reveal and
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Speaker 2: we did not, And there's no summary for this episode.
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Speaker 2: So for me, I I really thought it was going
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Speaker 2: to be somebody that we knew, especially seeing all the
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Speaker 2: metals and stuff. The guy who voices him is the
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Speaker 2: guy who voices uh Cordova what's her name's master in
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Speaker 2: Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor. So it's not somebody
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Speaker 2: who came back to do voicing.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's Tony. I'm an I'm in Dola. He is
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Speaker 1: very famous for the Mask of Zoro. He was in
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Speaker 1: Stargate su One. He's he's a very well known actor, gotcha.
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Speaker 1: But I thought he was supposed to be and I
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Speaker 1: thought they were retconning a lot of stuff. It's uh
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Speaker 1: ship who was the the Clone Wars announcer narrator.
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Speaker 2: No, because we're remember he had a stroke and so
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Speaker 2: he can't do voice acting anymore.
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Speaker 1: Wait, Tom Caine played uh because he he was an
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Speaker 1: actual like character in freaking Uh. He was like an admiral.
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Speaker 1: He was an actual like general or admiral. Lauren, Yes,
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Speaker 1: you Lauren.
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Speaker 2: Huh, But I am so remember this guy is supposed
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Speaker 2: to be on the side of the Separatists. We did
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Speaker 2: not see a lot of human generals on in the
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Speaker 2: Clone Wars for the Artists. It was mainly admirals and stuff.
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Speaker 2: So there's no I didn't see a name in the
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Speaker 2: credits when I first looked when I first watched these
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, And I don't have it in firm of
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Speaker 2: me to go look at it right now, even though
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Speaker 2: I could pull it up. But from what I've read online,
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Speaker 2: this guy's knew and we're just supposed to know that
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Speaker 2: there's history between the two.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense? Uh? I When I first looked,
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Speaker 1: because he looks very uh similar to how similar to Lauren?
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Speaker 1: But I also knew that Lauren actually uh ended up
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Speaker 1: having I believe a cameo in both Rogue one and
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Speaker 1: and Or. Yes we have.
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Speaker 2: Seen I don't know if we've seen him in Rogue one.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you see him at and Or Okay? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I know that critic recently just in the season
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Speaker 1: was like name dropping.
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Speaker 2: It was like Lauren or No, it was padder Gas
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Speaker 2: was like Lauren and I just went to the Emperor
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Speaker 2: and had a chat kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it definitely Lauren. Yeah. So with this,
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Speaker 1: I felt that this does push the needle for as
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Speaker 1: Sage as a story. Yeah, because we now see with
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Speaker 1: the uh, with the introduction to Leco and now their partnership,
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Speaker 1: we now see why it makes sense for her to
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Speaker 1: not only team up with the bad Batch, but to
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Speaker 1: have such a like familiar connection with Omega like that.
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Speaker 2: That well bad Batch bad Batch where assuming takes place
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Speaker 2: before this?
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Speaker 1: You think, so, yeah, I don't know. I hm, I
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Speaker 1: think it would make sense that this came before bad Batch.
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Speaker 2: No, I feel like this takes place after bad Batch
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Speaker 2: because I feel like bad Batch potentially is the reason
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Speaker 2: Assage left it like left a busy life behind because
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Speaker 2: remember she was still a bounty hunter in Bad Batch.
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Speaker 1: Oh I guess. So, yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 2: And so there's something in there, which is why I
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Speaker 2: think we're gonna see usage coming to play with Darth Maul,
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Speaker 2: shadow Hunter or whatever that one is called shadow Lord.
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Speaker 2: Oh is because I don't think that that you quite
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Speaker 2: kicked her out of the game, but I think something
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Speaker 2: there will like definitively do it. Yeah, which makes sense
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Speaker 2: where this is more like fifteen babey, because Shadow Lord
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Speaker 2: takes place a year after Revenge of the Sith.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, well, I think it's still in the reverse.
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Speaker 1: The the point is still made because you look at
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Speaker 1: how she reacted to Omega, and I think it's just
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Speaker 1: a small, you know, a piece of her you know,
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Speaker 1: lifetime in her journey on not being associated with the
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Speaker 1: Dark Side and the Sith and all of these other things.
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Speaker 1: So when she finally meets Lego, she's not as rough
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Speaker 1: around the edges. Even though she is still rough, she's
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Speaker 1: not as rough around the edges. So I do think that,
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Speaker 1: like timeline wise makes sense, this isn't like a complete
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Speaker 1: detour from the character and I think that's what I
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Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people who unfortunately has never
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Speaker 1: read these books, Dark Disciple, you know, being the big
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Speaker 1: one that people are going to watch this and be
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Speaker 1: like this is totally not her character, why would she
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Speaker 1: ever do this? Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Well, and she was already making the translation in the
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Speaker 2: end of Clone Wars with her assistance with Ahsoka and everything.
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Speaker 2: So hopefully there is some sort like I would love
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Speaker 2: to see put into the credits of that first episode. Hey,
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Speaker 2: like here's where we got to in the prologue part
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Speaker 2: of the episode and like showcase Dark Disciple like or
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Speaker 2: something in there to promo that book so people know, hey,
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Speaker 2: there is a transition piece here.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like a special thanks to who
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Speaker 1: was the author of that again?
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Speaker 2: Uh, Christy Golden.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will have to go back to episode one
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Speaker 1: of this and see if there's like a special thanks
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Speaker 1: or something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the book was original Clone Wars scripts. It
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Speaker 2: was supposed to be in season six of the Clone
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Speaker 2: Wars yeah, and then season seven obviously anyways, so hopefully
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Speaker 2: there is some sort of like, hey, go read Dark
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Speaker 2: Disciple here. I think that's important for Star Wars to do,
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Speaker 2: especially with that, Like, it would also be really cool
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Speaker 2: to like maybe even do like a special edition like
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Speaker 2: Tales of the Underworld cover and like republish it in
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Speaker 2: hard back.
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Speaker 1: Katie, I don't own the book. That would be amazing.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna go into our second ad break and we'll
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Speaker 4: be right back.
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Speaker 2: Because, let me tell you, the hardcover of that book
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Speaker 2: was a pain in the ass to find. My biggest
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Speaker 2: critique with this arc and it is something that I'm
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Speaker 2: just struggling with in Star Wars. I'm all about found
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Speaker 2: family and everything, but I feel like this is just
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Speaker 2: a script that we're just reusing over and over and
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Speaker 2: over and over. I don't mind a master Padawan relationship,
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Speaker 2: but I feel like we have to move past the
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Speaker 2: point of, hey, we a mother or father figure finds
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Speaker 2: a kid and is forced to adopt the kid and
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Speaker 2: train the kid, and eventually they like each other. And
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Speaker 2: I feel like this is just a script that keeps
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Speaker 2: getting reused. We've seen it in the Mandalorian, We've seen
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Speaker 2: it as a bad match. Now, we've seen it until
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Speaker 2: with the Underworld.
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Speaker 1: I completely understand. I agree with it for the most part.
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Speaker 2: I do appreciate that it was a mother of this
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Speaker 2: time instead of a father. I can't appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: But one thing, and I think that you will very
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Speaker 1: much note about this. Found family is a very large
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Speaker 1: and very popular genre in books as well, and I
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Speaker 1: think that that has been you know, we talk about
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Speaker 1: it all the time at the end of these episodes,
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Speaker 1: talking about like all the books that I've been reading
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Speaker 1: and everything else. But like we have seen the actual
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Speaker 1: influence of things like books to Graham and book talk
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Speaker 1: and how they are rejuvenating bookstores and like all of
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Speaker 1: these different things. It is not without you know, being unnoticed.
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Speaker 1: So I can very much see Hollywood seeing these stories
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Speaker 1: coming out from all of these books in the last
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Speaker 1: ten years and saying, oh, people like this kind of story.
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Speaker 1: They love it in books. I bet you anything, they'll
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Speaker 1: of it in TV. And you know, there's always a
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Speaker 1: delay in different types of media. So of course we'll
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Speaker 1: see it in books, then we see it in TV shows,
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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna start seeing into movies. You know,
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Speaker 1: it slowly makes that progression over time.
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Speaker 2: I do get it. I do, But especially when Faloni
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Speaker 2: is the big influence in Star Wars, we have to
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Speaker 2: pick a different plot. Yeah, Like it's just something's gotta give.
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Speaker 2: I think even if you had set up Lego as
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Speaker 2: like somebody she partnered with instead of like finding him
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Speaker 2: by happenstance, I think I would have totally been good
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Speaker 2: with that. But it's just like, oh, we found this kid.
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Speaker 2: Oh now I'm forced to help this kid. It isn't reused.
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Speaker 1: I think more than anything this argument puts, there's there's
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Speaker 1: more fire to the flame of this argument because of
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Speaker 1: the mass popularity of The Mandalorian. I think more so
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Speaker 1: than anything that that show, it's it and it's not
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Speaker 1: even I wouldn't even say, is the Mandalorian really the
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Speaker 1: first Star Wars project that had this trope? Like in
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Speaker 1: a sense like maybe, but like maybe, but like again,
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Speaker 1: you you you have literally Anakin Skywalker. It's is like
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Speaker 1: with with freaking Qua Gonngin finding him, you have ah
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Speaker 1: in a small sense, Luke Skywalker is the same kind
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Speaker 1: of thing with movie Want Yeah, but you also have
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Speaker 1: found family in Han Solo and Showey. Of course you
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Speaker 1: actually have actual family with Lea there, but still, uh,
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Speaker 1: found family is not a distant thing as far as
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Speaker 1: now you know, watching the show in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: It's always been a thing. But now that I even
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Speaker 1: pointed out that's even a worst case for this argument,
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Speaker 1: because like, hey, you've been doing this for fifty years now,
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Speaker 1: so you know, maybe we need to switch it up
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Speaker 1: a little bit.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree, just just something to point it out.
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Speaker 2: I do have to say, I think I can't remember
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Speaker 2: if it was just Kevin Kiner or if it was
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Speaker 2: the Kiner Bros.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was it was the Kiners.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, okay, so they didn't double job with music
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Speaker 2: for Tales of the Underworld. It was probably my favorite
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Speaker 2: part of the show was just hearing the different beats
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Speaker 2: and the western type music that's in the cad Bane
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Speaker 2: stuff or the cat Bane arc and just like it
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Speaker 2: feels like growth growth music is so weird to say,
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Speaker 2: but like growth music for a a Soca's arc. Assages Arc. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Kevin, Sean and Deanna so it was a.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that did an incredible job. Super impressed. I
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Speaker 2: can't wait for this UH soundtrack to be out to
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Speaker 2: add it to my UH playlist for work.
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Speaker 1: But we talked a lot about Assages Arc. Uh. Let's
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Speaker 1: move forward with cad Bane and I'm gonna go ahead
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Speaker 1: and and I'm gonna rip the band aid off, and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the hot take. Now, this is exactly
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Speaker 1: what I told Katie right before I pressed record. Guys,
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Speaker 1: this three episodes of cad Bane fifteen minutes each, not
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Speaker 1: counting the credits. It's probably closer to like ten minutes each,
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Speaker 1: maybe twelve.
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Speaker 2: Felt maybe, And these episodes felt like they were thirty
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Speaker 2: minutes apiece in not a good way. Like, Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: looked at the time on at least two of the
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Speaker 2: episodes and was like, how much longer is in this episode? Like, jeez,
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Speaker 2: there is Chris, what did well? Chris didn't say we
27:55
Speaker 2: had to put this out, but I had to shout
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Speaker 2: out our Indiana Jones expert. There is an Deanna Jones
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Speaker 2: plotline in this basically, which is the story of how
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Speaker 2: cad Bane gets his fedora. Oh so uh they did
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Speaker 2: use plotlines for that, and it feels very Western. That's
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Speaker 2: about all I have good to say. And I guest,
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Speaker 2: this is supposed to details of the underworld, but this,
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Speaker 2: h this doesn't feel like it adds anything else to
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Speaker 2: cad Bane's story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the biggest hot take of this entire thing
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Speaker 1: is that this did. This literally did not move the
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Speaker 1: needle for cad Bane, the character you may have, Like
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Speaker 1: the most you learned about cad Bane is where he
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Speaker 1: got his hat. That is literally it. This is the
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Speaker 1: origin of cad Baane's hat because.
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Speaker 2: Like he goes by Kolby in the first episode, and
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Speaker 2: you couldn't have told me that then man went by
29:05
Speaker 2: Colby Initially, what good just telling me that he adapted
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Speaker 2: a new name to And I know it does like
29:11
Speaker 2: good for some stories, but that was like the most
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Speaker 2: frustrating part of this is like the Duros have very
29:19
Speaker 2: average names and basically cad picked a new one because
29:24
Speaker 2: he wanted to sound cool.
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Speaker 1: Well, and like, the thing is I was I was
29:31
Speaker 1: looking into and not outside of the actual show. But
29:36
Speaker 1: while I was watching these three episodes, I wanted to
29:40
Speaker 1: see if there was like a hard racial line that
29:46
Speaker 1: they were writing with. Uh, what's the the the race
29:52
Speaker 1: that Cadby named the Duros. I thought that there would
29:58
Speaker 1: be one, and there is and there isn't. With these
30:07
Speaker 1: two characters, cad and Nero, I thought that you know,
30:16
Speaker 1: they they again found family because they they do act
30:20
Speaker 1: like brothers. In the very beginning you learn in the
30:26
Speaker 1: very first episode that they're just two homeless kids, that
30:30
Speaker 1: they just you know, they're street rats, as even one
30:33
Speaker 1: person even calls them. And of course they just you know,
30:39
Speaker 1: happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,
30:42
Speaker 1: and this dude just recruits them to be a distraction
30:46
Speaker 1: that turns into something a lot more. And on this
30:50
Speaker 1: road of crime, cad Bane goes while Nero gets caught
30:56
Speaker 1: by the Popo and then next thing we know, he
31:00
Speaker 1: is the pop Po. So like, it's this weird story
31:07
Speaker 1: of like and I I will if anybody would like
31:11
Speaker 1: to read a review for this, I would highly recommend
31:15
Speaker 1: going to read Adrian's review. There is of course others
31:19
Speaker 1: out there. We want to go ahead and throw out Adrian.
31:23
Speaker 1: He has been a great friend to this podcast. Uh, Katie,
31:27
Speaker 1: you also said that there was another review and.
31:30
Speaker 4: We're about to jump into our third ad y'all. We
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Speaker 4: promised we'll be right back, we promised. As the al
31:38
Speaker 4: latest guys.
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Speaker 2: Ryan's reviews are really good on my no Commander.
31:44
Speaker 3: Uh.
31:45
Speaker 2: He did separate reviews for both a Sage and kad
31:48
Speaker 2: Bain's arcs, so if you wanted to read him separately,
31:51
Speaker 2: you totally could you see. Uh yeah, Bryan's kind of
32:00
Speaker 2: like his summary points where like Nero's choices deserve exploration
32:04
Speaker 2: seeing the city develop, especially with the density and quality
32:07
Speaker 2: of the animation, which, yes, the quality of the animation
32:11
Speaker 2: just shows how LUCASLM has really upped its game with
32:15
Speaker 2: animation of why more animated stories deserve to be told.
32:18
Speaker 2: But he also said felt like it took away from
32:21
Speaker 2: Bain's mystique rather than add to his story, and I
32:25
Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree with that. That's the words I've
32:27
Speaker 2: been trying to figure out is sometimes you don't need
32:30
Speaker 2: an explanation for how this guy comes to be, and
32:33
Speaker 2: this doesn't feel like a story of survival. It feels
32:36
Speaker 2: like a story of survival for Nero.
32:39
Speaker 1: Not caving.
32:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the cad Bane or Colby is you want
32:46
Speaker 2: to call him, that is in episode one doesn't feel
32:50
Speaker 2: like who's in episode three, Like, it doesn't seem like
32:54
Speaker 2: those should correlate at all whatsoever. The other thing Ryan
33:02
Speaker 2: said about the cad Bade would he said, though it
33:05
Speaker 2: comes with potentially unintentional connotations. So again Ryan's reviews, I
33:11
Speaker 2: agreed a lot with Slash Films reviews. That's the ones
33:15
Speaker 2: that I underworld but like a slash film is owned
33:21
Speaker 2: by a big giant conglomerate, and we like to support
33:24
Speaker 2: our local not local but like small business friends.
33:28
Speaker 1: Small business, uh and uh independent you know, writers as well, journalists,
33:36
Speaker 1: reviewers whatever you would like to title them as. But
33:41
Speaker 1: I wanted to give a good number of reviews that
33:45
Speaker 1: other people can read because our opinions are not set
33:51
Speaker 1: in stone, for hey, is this a good or bad show?
33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah?
33:56
Speaker 1: And these people that we just mentioned they may have
33:59
Speaker 1: opinions that are the same and or different than ours
34:02
Speaker 1: as well, So you know, it's always good to read
34:05
Speaker 1: up on many different perspectives. How did you feel? And
34:11
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and do the big spoiler because
34:15
Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall even though they didn't
34:18
Speaker 1: say it.
34:19
Speaker 2: Yes, because how does green duros plus green duros equal
34:24
Speaker 2: blue DeRos exactly?
34:27
Speaker 1: So, how do you feel about cad Bane having a child?
34:37
Speaker 2: I really saw it coming when uh, I think it
34:42
Speaker 2: was Aaron was her name? Was, like, yeah, I had
34:46
Speaker 2: to permit you from dying, Like okay, so you want
34:52
Speaker 2: dad to stick around the kind of thing, but also
34:55
Speaker 2: be in jail and not tell him like what? Uh?
35:01
Speaker 1: And I love.
35:02
Speaker 2: I love Nero, Like I do really feel like I
35:05
Speaker 2: want to know more about Nero because I think he
35:09
Speaker 2: was cool. I felt like he was the one that
35:14
Speaker 2: was going to turn into cad Vane even though he
35:16
Speaker 2: was green. But it's just like, like, it just feels
35:23
Speaker 2: very classic cliche Western type feel, which again is something
35:30
Speaker 2: different from Folony's typical point of view. I just feel
35:35
Speaker 2: like these two arcs were not as artistic as Tales
35:41
Speaker 2: of the Jedi and Tales of the Empire was.
35:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, these were pretty straightforward compared to what we got
35:49
Speaker 1: to see in Tales of the Empire and Tales of
35:53
Speaker 1: the Jedi. Like you look at Tales of the Empire,
35:56
Speaker 1: we have a pretty straightforward story there as well, but
36:00
Speaker 1: it ends in such a way that's like, oh, there's
36:06
Speaker 1: like a aha moment for all of the characters who
36:09
Speaker 1: really love these two characters that are shown, but also
36:14
Speaker 1: a little bit of mystery because there's not really a
36:19
Speaker 1: like quote unquote happy ending. It leaves you on a
36:23
Speaker 1: little bit of a cliffhanger for Tales of the Empire.
36:27
Speaker 1: When you look at Tales of the Jedi, you go
36:30
Speaker 1: through Ahsoka story like, yeah, but there's these high points
36:34
Speaker 1: there's these low points and then you're left wondering. Okay,
36:39
Speaker 1: like we know where she's heading, but like there's still
36:43
Speaker 1: there's still a little bit of coded mystery there. Yeah,
36:46
Speaker 1: there's still a little bit of a gap.
36:49
Speaker 2: I think the like where Tales of the Jedi did
36:54
Speaker 2: well is we knew where the characters were going, but
36:58
Speaker 2: the episode kind of told a high point of their
37:02
Speaker 2: character arc, but at different points.
37:06
Speaker 1: Yes, Hills of.
37:07
Speaker 2: The Empire kind of does the same thing with at
37:09
Speaker 2: least Barriss Morgan Elsbeth's story I've kind of forgotten, but
37:15
Speaker 2: I felt like, based on my limited memory, I felt
37:19
Speaker 2: like hers was still pretty artistic and told different It
37:23
Speaker 2: did it skipped time points in her story to kind
37:28
Speaker 2: of tell one great arc, whereas a Sager's story is
37:33
Speaker 2: told very close together and it's kind of the same
37:37
Speaker 2: timeline area. Cad Baines is told over time skipps. But
37:43
Speaker 2: it doesn't it says this is how our character was born,
37:48
Speaker 2: this isn't this isn't why he does something, or a
37:54
Speaker 2: big character piece that has been looking to be explained
37:58
Speaker 2: for people.
38:00
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the really big thing. Well, and like
38:05
Speaker 1: here's here's the difference between the two stories point Blake, Okay, guys,
38:09
Speaker 1: you have assage Ventest. Hey, I'm going to protect this
38:14
Speaker 1: child so we can move forward with the Path, which
38:18
Speaker 1: is still this thing that we kind of know about
38:21
Speaker 1: but we haven't had fully fleshed out, right, Whereas cad
38:25
Speaker 1: Bane is, Hey, I don't like that this dude killed
38:32
Speaker 1: my like found family, so here's a revenge story of that.
38:38
Speaker 1: Like it's there. There is no like we know that
38:42
Speaker 1: after episode six of the Tales of the Underworld, we've
38:50
Speaker 1: seen every single point of cad Bane now and so
38:55
Speaker 1: it's like, there is nothing here that is like, oh,
39:02
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the next story of cad Bane, right,
39:07
Speaker 1: Whereas yeah, with venturess story, there's still an inkling of like, oh,
39:12
Speaker 1: there's still some stuff there. We could still learn a
39:15
Speaker 1: whole lot.
39:16
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's the same way with Morgan's
39:19
Speaker 2: almost as well, is that there's stuff in there with
39:22
Speaker 2: like the Night Sisters that could be really interesting and
39:25
Speaker 2: it kind of leads into massages and everything. There's offies.
39:32
Speaker 2: We were all like, Okay, what happens next? Is she dead?
39:35
Speaker 2: Is she alive? Are we gonna sing her in a
39:37
Speaker 2: sooka season too?
39:39
Speaker 1: Yeah? There were so many rumors of that exactly. Yeah, and.
39:45
Speaker 2: It's just And I'm not like I have lived the
39:49
Speaker 2: story of regret when I say, okay, if a character
39:51
Speaker 2: is dead, there's no need to add anything more to
39:54
Speaker 2: their story. I lived that with Black Widow. I enjoyed
39:57
Speaker 2: Black Widow, but I feel like there was nothing beneficial here.
40:03
Speaker 2: I didn't need to know how cad Bane got his
40:06
Speaker 2: start as a bounty hunter. I didn't need to know
40:08
Speaker 2: that he thrives on revenge. Now, the only thing I
40:13
Speaker 2: want to know is what happened to Isaac Bain.
40:16
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that we've we've really talked
40:27
Speaker 1: enough about this. I don't think we could really beat
40:29
Speaker 1: this dead horse any longer. All in all, to say this,
40:38
Speaker 1: the points that we have made that I think simplify
40:41
Speaker 1: this very well. Lucasfilm Animation, they still got it. They
40:47
Speaker 1: need to push more out. I saw a video the
40:51
Speaker 1: other day that said we need this style of show
40:58
Speaker 1: in the sequel series era one hundred. Agree. Yep, So Animation,
41:07
Speaker 1: they still got it. And two we need the path,
41:14
Speaker 1: we need the path, we need it, whether that be
41:17
Speaker 1: an animation or in live action. If you could give
41:22
Speaker 1: me an assas of Ventuss TV show live action, I
41:26
Speaker 1: would be forever grateful. Lucasfilm just saying yeah, I think
41:34
Speaker 1: those those two points are are really the big point.
41:38
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41:43
Speaker 1: amazing job with this series. But that being said, I
41:50
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