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Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers on Cheaters, Friendship and Dating · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Get ready for a
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  Speaker 2: juicy one because I have the one-time enemies turns best friends,
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  Speaker 2: podcast stars of Unlikely Affair, Lala Kent, Amber Childers. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to Juicy Scoop, girls.
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  Speaker 3: Yay. Thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 2: I just love that you guys have become so close
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  Speaker 2: and your friendship and everything. And I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: get into like how that became and all of it.
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  Speaker 2: But first, can we just talk about me?
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  Speaker 4: Always.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm so excited because May
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  Speaker 2: 9th is my show at the Avalon Theater. It's sold
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  Speaker 2: out in the first week. Thanks to the Patreon peeps
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  Speaker 2: and everybody. And we're just really excited. And Chris Frangiola
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  Speaker 2: and Brandy and Julie are going to be there for
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  Speaker 2: my live juicy scoop at the Avalon Theater. So when
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  Speaker 2: you see all the stuff about Netflix as a joke,
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  Speaker 2: just know that your girl has made it. Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: You made it. You're an icon. You made it long ago.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. We have so much to talk about. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember we were friends first. You came on the show, Lala.
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  Speaker 2: And I was a fan of watching you. And then
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  Speaker 2: I met your ex. And I did find him very
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  Speaker 2: funny and you guys fun together. And we saw that
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  Speaker 2: there was some social media shit that kind of went on.
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  Speaker 2: With the messiness of he having an ex-wife who is
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  Speaker 2: Amber and two children with her. And I just want
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  Speaker 2: to get a little bit of the backstory of how
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  Speaker 2: much you care to share, Amber, of like that you
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  Speaker 2: guys were separated. You had issues. You're like on and
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  Speaker 2: off kind of. Can you just share a little bit
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  Speaker 2: on that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we were never on and off, maybe to him.
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  Speaker 5: In my world, I was very much married. He was,
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  Speaker 5: air quote, working, making movies. I had two little kids. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: there had been infidelity in my marriage, you know, for
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  Speaker 5: a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: How did you first find out that that was a
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  Speaker 2: pattern in your relationship?
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  Speaker 3: It was very early on.
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  Speaker 2: Very, very early on. Was it just like, did you
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  Speaker 2: see the phone? It was everything.
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  Speaker 5: Phone, text messages, and then eventually like, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: just catch on and you see people's patterns and then
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  Speaker 5: you notice their, I mean, you live under the same
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  Speaker 5: roof with someone. I mean, you know when something is
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  Speaker 5: like off and not right. So eventually I, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I just kept staying. You know, I'm like a hopeless
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  Speaker 5: romantic and it's like so weird to hear myself now
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  Speaker 5: even after, you know, the marriage and another long-term relationship
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  Speaker 5: and being single and dating now, like.
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  Speaker 6: I, and I think it stems from, I grew up Mormon, right?
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  Speaker 2: So like, Oh my God, you had that, you guys
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  Speaker 2: kind of, not that you, you were never raised Mormon,
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  Speaker 2: but raised around a lot of Mormons.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. My dad was, yeah, my dad was a Mormon. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: your dad was a Mormon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. He had left the church before I came into
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  Speaker 4: the world, but yeah, my, my dad's entire family was
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  Speaker 4: very LDS.
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  Speaker 2: That is so crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Um, so being raised Mormon and then having my parents
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  Speaker 5: have known each other since high school and they're still
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  Speaker 5: married to this day. So like for me, divorce, infidelity,
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  Speaker 5: like that never existed in my, my world. So I
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  Speaker 5: think there was a lot of, you know, denial, right?
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to figure this out. There's other people in
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  Speaker 5: the world that have gone through this and they've been
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  Speaker 5: able to manage and try to control the situation and
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  Speaker 5: change the person. And you stay because you have kids and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you want your family and then And then
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  Speaker 5: you realize like you eventually looking back towards the end,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, you start to feel like you're dying, right?
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  Speaker 5: Your soul, it's such a weird thing to articulate, but
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  Speaker 5: you're like, I'm living in this body and I'm moving,
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  Speaker 5: but my soul is dead.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm not alive inside.
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  Speaker 5: And at that point it was, and then obviously it
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  Speaker 5: kind of, the straw that broke the camel's back was
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  Speaker 5: eventually finding a sex tape.
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  Speaker 2: Of him with somebody else? Yeah, with her. Oh, you
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  Speaker 2: found the sex tape of them. Where did you find it?
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  Speaker 2: Like on the phone?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, on the phone while I was sleeping. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't sleeping. I was obviously awake, but we were
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  Speaker 3: both sleeping.
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  Speaker 2: And then you searched the phone.
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  Speaker 5: And then she started calling in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 5: and I didn't know what it was, and so I
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  Speaker 5: snuck his phone out.
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  Speaker 6: From underneath his pillow.
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  Speaker 2: While he's asleep.
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  Speaker 5: While he's asleep, and it was like a gun emoji.
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  Speaker 5: And at this point, I knew that they had been
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  Speaker 5: seeing each other because... He would go down to Miami,
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  Speaker 5: and I would look on her Instagram, and she would
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  Speaker 5: be in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: And then they would go somewhere, and then she.
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  Speaker 5: So, like, it wasn't... You know, you become a detective
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  Speaker 5: when you have to become a detective. So I found
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  Speaker 5: the sex tape, and kind of all hell broke loose
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  Speaker 5: from that point on.
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  Speaker 2: So then did you wake him up at that point
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  Speaker 2: or like start to like be quiet and kind of
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  Speaker 2: plan your thing?
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  Speaker 5: I took my time and like, I really studied like
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  Speaker 5: his position and like, I was like, wow, Lala's really beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: And then I was like, I'm kidding. So no, I.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And did you know that Lala was a reality star?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I had never seen Vanderpump Rules.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: At that point, like at all. Like I knew nothing, nothing.
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  Speaker 5: I was like head in the sand, which shame on me.
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  Speaker 5: Like I should have been a little more like alert,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like, but. I was in complete denial.
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  Speaker 6: Of the situation.
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  Speaker 5: So eventually, yeah, we ended up, I woke him up.
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  Speaker 3: We got into a fight and, but.
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  Speaker 6: It was a peaceful fight. I think it was kind
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  Speaker 6: of like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: There's no denying now. This is not working, right?
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  Speaker 5: Like shame on me, shame on you. Like I gotta
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  Speaker 5: leave for myself now, right? You know, I tell people
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  Speaker 5: I stayed for my kids because I didn't want them
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  Speaker 5: to come from a broken home. But then I left
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  Speaker 5: because it's like I have two daughters that I'm raising
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  Speaker 5: and they're seeing their mom be completely disrespected. And that's
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  Speaker 5: not cool either. I have to model for them what
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  Speaker 5: a good, healthy marriage looks like.
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  Speaker 2: And so what I think is interesting is, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching the show and I'm seeing Lala and I see
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  Speaker 2: that she is talking about this mysterious guy who's in
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  Speaker 2: the industry. And the vision I had in my head
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  Speaker 2: of who this person is.
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  Speaker 3: He was hot?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I imagine like a Randy Gerber type who is
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  Speaker 2: married to Cindy Crawford, but maybe like 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Like a 40-year-old that looked kind of like that. And
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  Speaker 2: so I was like, oh my God, I can get
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  Speaker 2: why you're keeping it a secret, you know, in my head.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I find out, well, he has a wife,
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  Speaker 2: Then I imagined another type of person who, attractive, but
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  Speaker 2: I imagined like a brunette, and I imagined someone closer
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  Speaker 2: to his age and to my age. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: who is this child bride? Who is this gorgeous, successful actress, stunning,
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  Speaker 2: like how the hell? How the hell?
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  Speaker 3: What's going through your head right now?
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  Speaker 2: A lot. Are you nervous?
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  Speaker 3: Having an out-of-body experience, to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, why? No.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't share much, ever.
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  Speaker 4: Like, these are all conversations that we've had, like, behind
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  Speaker 4: the scenes.
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  Speaker 3: So to watch her, like, talk about it is.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's someone else telling your story from
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  Speaker 5: their perspective is really interesting.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Like.
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  Speaker 3: huh, you're right, what a dumb bitch. I'm thinking, like,
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  Speaker 3: who is that girl? Not dumb at all. She's talking
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  Speaker 3: about it, too. I'm like, what was I doing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway. So how did you meet him? And how old
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  Speaker 2: were you?
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, wow. We're really going back.
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  Speaker 2: I was young.
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  Speaker 6: I was 17, turning 18 that summer. Um, I met
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  Speaker 6: him in New York.
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  Speaker 5: I was on a soap opera called all my children.
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  Speaker 5: I had graduated high school early cause I had booked
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  Speaker 5: this job and I was going actually on a golf scholarship,
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  Speaker 5: signed with the university, booked.
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  Speaker 3: All my children and said, you know what? I could
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  Speaker 3: play golf.
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  Speaker 5: Until I'm 80 years old. Like this is a once
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  Speaker 5: in a lifetime opportunity. Grow up in a conservative Mormon household.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to get out so badly.
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  Speaker 6: So, so I went to New York. He was there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what he was doing there.
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  Speaker 5: He was there, a friend of a mutual friend introduced
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  Speaker 5: us he was like she's also another actress and that
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  Speaker 5: was it like that was how he just he has
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  Speaker 5: such a charm yes very charming yes and I want
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  Speaker 5: to say this is like this person's personality is so
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  Speaker 5: larger than life And he's funny and he's.
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  Speaker 6: A great storyteller and he's just charismatic. Totally agree.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And like, so there was, it wasn't like some weird, like,
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  Speaker 5: there's an attraction there that I had that I really
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  Speaker 5: was like, wow, this person's really fun to be around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And like, we go and do fun things.
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  Speaker 5: And he loves to go shopping and he loves to
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  Speaker 5: go take, like, take vacations and he's like, I just love.
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  Speaker 6: I love, I was telling her this on the way here, like,
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  Speaker 6: I love.
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  Speaker 5: An East Coast guy.
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  Speaker 3: The energy of.
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  Speaker 2: I like, that's the, you know what, that's like the
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  Speaker 2: only accent that I would, that I was into back
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  Speaker 2: when I was single.
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  Speaker 6: Like a Jersey or.
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  Speaker 2: Like Jersey, New York.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like never, you know, I wasn't really into really like,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Scottish or English or that didn't like how
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  Speaker 2: some people get excited about that. Right. Not me.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be like, come here.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you like? Even like, that's why I
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  Speaker 2: think women love like gangster movies because it's like, even
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  Speaker 2: though they're like murdering people, they're dressed well and they're
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  Speaker 2: going to buy you a piece of jewelry. And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: they're very protective, protective of the family and the protective
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  Speaker 2: of you. And I think as a woman, that's just
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  Speaker 2: a hot thing.
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  Speaker 6: I felt protected by him. Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 5: For no other reason that like, I knew that I
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  Speaker 5: was going to be protected and He supported me. He
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  Speaker 5: loved that I was an actor. I love that he
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  Speaker 5: was in the business. And I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 5: of artists were very misunderstood in the world. So to
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  Speaker 5: find your person that like gets who you are from
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  Speaker 5: the inside out and, and he did, and there was,
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  Speaker 5: there was.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of love there.
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  Speaker 5: There was a lot of, and I know that there
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  Speaker 5: was an age gap, but like he was, he was.
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  Speaker 3: Much younger than his actual age.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was the old soul. He was like the
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  Speaker 3: man child.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: So it worked perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: And so how old were you when you got engaged
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  Speaker 2: or married?
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  Speaker 3: There was no engagement. We went, um, we got married
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  Speaker 3: when I.
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  Speaker 5: Was 20 and then I had my first kid at 21.
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  Speaker 2: That is crazy. And how did your parents feel about that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they were not happy.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have a real wedding?
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  Speaker 6: No, we eloped in Malibu.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that just says a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a classic.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You're dating this younger... I mean, basically,
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  Speaker 2: did you even have a boyfriend, like a real boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: before him? I mean, you just got out of high school.
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  Speaker 3: No, my high school sweetheart. I had met my.
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  Speaker 5: my high school sweetheart. And we were actually going to
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  Speaker 5: play golf together. Like he had gotten a scholarship to
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  Speaker 5: the same university. And it was like that classic, like Americana,
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  Speaker 5: like two athletes, like, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: That's what the plan was.
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  Speaker 6: But no, I hadn't dated.
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  Speaker 5: So from the time I met to the time I
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  Speaker 5: got divorced at 27, I never had that dating experience.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is such a world when, when you do,
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  Speaker 2: when I was younger, I would sometimes date older guys too.
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  Speaker 2: And I, I liked it. I mean, it's nice. It's
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  Speaker 2: like nice car. They make the plan, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: feel special. You kind of feel hot and sexy because
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  Speaker 2: you are younger and hot and sexier than they are.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, it's not like you're, you know, dating
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  Speaker 2: someone your age or dating someone that's like a model,
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  Speaker 2: male model or something. You kind of feel like always
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  Speaker 2: the hotter one of the two. And it's a, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I totally get it. And so, um, So
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  Speaker 2: then when you discovered everything and how, how much time,
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  Speaker 2: like to explain a little bit of the time, I
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  Speaker 2: remember there was, um, like, you know, some, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: some social media stuff that went on. Yeah. Because I
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  Speaker 2: think you were here, lean a little more forward. I
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  Speaker 2: think you obviously were being fed a different narrative and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you want to explain a little bit like
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  Speaker 2: where your perspective was because you were dating this person
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't being honest with you either.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think had I been clear headed because
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  Speaker 4: I was drinking pretty heavily once I met him. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that he's the reason for my drinking,
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  Speaker 4: but I just can pinpoint when it kind of became
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  Speaker 4: out of control, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is when he entered my life. Would it have been
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  Speaker 3: out of control regardless?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I guess we'll never know. But I would have been
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  Speaker 3: able to put two and two together.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I think I was actively trying to silence my
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  Speaker 4: gut from telling me something is not right here. Um,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, I was, I was under the impression and
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  Speaker 4: I was 25 years old. Like I, and I came
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  Speaker 4: from like Amber parents who had been together since my
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  Speaker 4: mom was like 19 years old.
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  Speaker 3: They had a wonderful marriage.
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  Speaker 4: Like it just didn't occur to me that people would
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  Speaker 4: like go out and like lie about their marital status
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  Speaker 4: to like bag another person. Like just that didn't really
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  Speaker 4: enter my brain. Um, And then I just remember him
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  Speaker 4: saying that he was separated. And then I remember hounding
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  Speaker 4: him on an actual divorce date. And then I remember
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  Speaker 4: him not being able to give me that. So I
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  Speaker 4: started hooking up with other people and dating until that
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  Speaker 4: was situated. Still very much in contact with him, but
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't exclusively with him.
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  Speaker 3: And then that day came.
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  Speaker 4: And Amber and I just could, every time we would
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  Speaker 4: get to common ground, it was always something that would
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  Speaker 4: knock us off of our rocker where we just could
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  Speaker 4: never see eye to eye understandably. Like she, she had
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  Speaker 4: a very traumatic experience that involved me and many traumatic
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  Speaker 4: experiences before that.
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  Speaker 3: And I was deep in my alcoholism.
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  Speaker 4: I think that I was jealous of her because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: she gave him the two kids.
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  Speaker 3: She was an actress.
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  Speaker 4: I was a girl from Utah who landed on reality TV,
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  Speaker 4: all sorts of crazy shit coming out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 4: And then once my relationship ended and I kind of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the information started pouring in and it was like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like what I thought was my reality
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  Speaker 4: is like very far from that, from the time we
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  Speaker 4: started the relationship. And there just came a point in
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  Speaker 4: time where I knew that I needed to reach out
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  Speaker 4: to her and make an amends and just kind of,
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  Speaker 4: not kind of, you know, absolutely own my part for
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  Speaker 4: what I did to her, what I participated in.
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  Speaker 2: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 2: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 2: before bed. Or two, you know.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Nobody's watching.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: You deserve a treat.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk. I'm Darman, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: this is What Happens Next. Each week on the show,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: I sit down with extraordinary people who have faced tremendous setbacks,
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: and yet somehow have found a way to turn them
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: into their greatest strengths.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: happens next.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Because regardless of if it was my intention or not,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. My actions caused another woman hurt. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: it was tough. Because I kept thinking, how could you
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: be so fucking stupid?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: About yourself?
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: About myself.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And so up until the point where then you found
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: out he was being deceptive to you. And you already
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: had Ocean prior to that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And let's be very clear.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: The deception where it was like the cheating part, that
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: was fucking child's play. It was everything else that was
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: revealed where I said, oh, we're going to.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Enter a custody battle. I'm in fear for my child.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: This person is. Like, the cheating I could get over.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: We can kiki, you know, my heart will heal because
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: I wasn't in love.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: With this person.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Like, we'll get over it. Like, it's a tough pill
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: to swallow to be like, oh, like, we were homies
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: like that. Like, I really felt like he and I
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: thrived as friends.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I liked about hanging out with the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: two of you is because I did think you were
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like a funny couple.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Like, kind of a fun.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Thrived as friends. Anytime the emotional connection came into play,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: it was like.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Cats and dogs, it was not, we just didn't fit.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: um but it was like that I could have gotten
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: over it was everything that came with that that I
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: have not shared um where I was like you will
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: not we will never have a friendship nothing yeah we'll
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: barely be able to co-parent.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: But prior to the breakup, were you guys, because of
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: your daughters, and you guys weren't married, but being a stepmom,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and you lived together with this man, had you guys
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: found a better place as far as when she was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: with your daughters and stuff prior to you breaking up
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: with him?
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that there were moments where I
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, thank God Lala's there.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Thank God.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Because I knew, as much as our differences aside, the
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: fact that I'm not married to this guy anymore, I'm like, okay, great,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: moving on.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: She was so good with my girls.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: And I'm so, so thankful that, one, that you got
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: sober and that you could show up for them. And,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: you know, Lala kept order in the house.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Stuff that men typically aren't great at.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Because I was around... I was in that house.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I was sober longer than I was a drinker when
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I was in that situation. And so I really, my
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: whole role and everything after I got sober was very different.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: It was like, I was deeply embedded in being like
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: a step-mom.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Like if the girls were, you know, struggling with reading
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: or math, it was like Amazon workbooks are coming to
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the house. Like we're going to figure out how to
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: count money. We're, you know, we were, always cooking, doing
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: face masks. Like that, that was truly my life. Um,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: which I'm very grateful for because had I not been sober,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I would not have been able to show up for them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: And then thank God I got sober because then I
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: became a mom to my own child. Um, which I
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: was in the house for seven months. Like it was.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Very, and by the way, like you were holding down
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: the fort when he was like, again, working.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: He was working.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: So, and, and it wasn't like, he would give me
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: the kids on my, like even if he was out
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: of town, they were with Lala and it was like, okay, then,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: you know, thank God.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that it was definitely, it felt like my purpose.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Like obviously I was working and things like that, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I was deeply embedded in.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Like, and even her mom was so great. It was like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you know, Lisa, Lala's mom was also amazing. Always cooking
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: with the kids, always doing something amazing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And that, Yeah, there was order and routine for sure.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when it all came out and we
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: were talking on the phone and he's calling me trying
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to convince me that this is just, you know, fans
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: making up stuff. And I kind of was like, you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: at first I thought, no, maybe that is true. You know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: like people do do stuff like that. And then you're
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: just like, no, Heather, like, no. I was like, oh, okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, okay, I'm never speaking to
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you again. Goodbye. You know, I'm not comfortable. I thought
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: maybe I believed you for like, you know, 36 hours, whatever.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And so, but I, I remember then you saying Amber's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: been really great. We're talking all the time now.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And so can you speak a little bit on that
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: of when you guys like actually got together and realized, wow,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: this guy has a really good picker. We're both fucking fabulous. Like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: can we give him one compliment? He knows how to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: pick great, gorgeous, smart, successful.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Women who are great moms.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: He does. I've noticed that with every like mirror.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But if we were smart, would we have ended up
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: in that situation? The smarts came later.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: But I think there's love bombing and I think there's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: being young and I think there's a power difference that happens.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for a love bomber. Come fucking hunt me, baby. Yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I want to be hunted.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's so great about love bombing as a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: woman is you get love bombed and you're like, finally,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: somebody gets how great I am. I am the greatest woman.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I am the sexiest thing you.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Have ever seen in your life.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Why are we not hitting this
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: every night? I'm a fucking hot babe, you know? Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And then it doesn't occur to you that goes, wow,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: if you're that good with me, like, and you're 48
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: years old, is it possible that there was someone prior
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to me that you might have been this excited about?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And there might be someone after me that you might
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: be this excited about. No, because we like a compliment.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: That's fucking sad. But now I'm so scarred. I was
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: telling Amber today, I'm like, this is where I'm at.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: The guy who shows up for me and is like
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: right there ready to fight. I'm like, that's a red
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: flag because what are you doing behind the scenes?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: But then the.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Guys who like don't really show up, I'm like, well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: that's a red flag too because you're not showing up
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: at all. I'm like, I'm so traumatized that I don't
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: know What is.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Right or wrong? I mean, I, I think his homeboy
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: showed up.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Rx.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, he was right there ready to fight for you.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: We had this conversation today. We had this conversation.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, like when something was going down and you
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: were hurting, it was like, Oh, fuck that shit.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So protected.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: But then you're disoriented. Cause you're like, wait, what have
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: you been doing behind my back? What kind of life
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: have you been living? So now when a guy's like
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: right there, ready to fight or whatever, I'm like, who
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: are you fucking behind my back?
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: What's your intention? What's your intention here? Why are you
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: fighting so hard? So then I went the other way
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well now you're not showing up
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: So like, what are you doing behind my back? I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: don't know what is right or wrong anymore.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard when you've been through that and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: our minds are so different than a man's brain. You know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you can't, it's like never stops. You're always thinking you're,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and they're just like, what's for lunch?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And it's just kind of like, okay, well, it's just
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a very different brain. And so it's like, it's hard to. Um,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: this story that's in the news, I thought you guys
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: would find interesting. So this guy is very good looking.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're both Steven.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I think his name's Steven McBee from the McBee dynasty. Yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And I watched some of the show. I had one
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: of the women on his dad's like ex-girlfriend came on,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: which was, she was kind of interesting.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: He's very cute.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: They run this cattle thing. He got, he got discovered
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: cause he was, they came to see if he wanted
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to be like the bachelor or something or farmer needs
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: a wife. I don't know what. And then, He didn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: do it. And then they were like, that production company
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: was like, well, this is kind of an amazing thing
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: because there's two other brothers in it. And I watched,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: so he has a new girlfriend, not the one we
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: saw from two years ago in the show. He's a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: new girl that's featured on the show and she's very beautiful.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And this exploded the day after Stagecoach of all places.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So they go to Stagecoach and I was there.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Both of them?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: As a couple.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: As a couple. And she's, you know, a beautiful thin
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: blonde and he's, you know, a rugged man. you know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: hot guy. And so it was funny cause I saw
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this one girl go said, um, I just want to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: tell you guys, like I saw a check, she's like, um,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: at stagecoach, I've seen so many couples fight that they
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: sold twice as much alcohol in the first day of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: stagecoach than both like Coachella things involved. So it's like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a little, it's a little older of
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a crowd, you know, it's not necessarily all teenagers. There's
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of 30, 40 year olds, you know, 20,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: late twenties, whatever. And they like to drink and whatever.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I witnessed a couple arguing. Nothing bad. Just her being like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Like, what? Why? And he's like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: because I told you. And I just, I'm like, oh, like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: this is just like, whatever. And then the wind started
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to go. And I told my girlfriend, I go, I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to get stuck here. I mean, let's go
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: back to our house. So we left before the sandstorm.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: But so he leaves, apparently. A day early because he
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: has to work. So he's not there for Sunday night.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And somebody DMs him. I mean, there's a whole bunch
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of things they've all shared. They've all been sharing their
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: stories and their DMs and their videos. This is what
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I got from summarizing it. Somebody reached out to him
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and was like, hey, are you still dating this girl?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, why? Well, she's at an after
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: party grinding up against a guy. And like someone takes
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: a photo of her kind of like dancing with some
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: guy and He then immediately starts texting her like, what
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the hell are you doing? And very like abusive, like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I knew you were just a whore. I can't make you,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I want, I thought I could make you
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a housewife. I can't, da, da, da, da. And like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: really stuff like that. And he even did a video
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the morning after where he's like, yeah, you know what?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not easy to live with.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: I know I'm an A type.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I have a personality. Things don't get right. I get angry.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, who wants to date you? Like, it was
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like the worst. I was like, oh my God, like
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: mean dad times 10. Like who wants to be with
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: this fucker? And so then he's like, Anna, I thought,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, but when your whole life is about going
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to the next three day festival and what outfits you're
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: going to wear and who you're going to meet and dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And you have to go to the after party. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: We've been at stagecoach for three days. She's with her friends.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: There's an after party. Why the fuck not? When you go,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you go? You're all influencers. It's a business thing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And so then this young guy that she was supposedly
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: dancing with, they were each following each other. Doesn't mean
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: they're fucking again. You're in the same. business he's just
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I mean I was wondering like is he talking to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: text or is he just like going off because it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: like you know long paragraph next long paragraph paragraph paragraph
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and then he posts again like this is where I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: am at 5 30 AM. Why am I X? Why
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: am I, while this girl is whatever, whoring around at Zendaya,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you know, after party or whatever it is, a Vaughn
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Dutch party, whatever. And so, and it's like a gym. Okay, fucker. Oh,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be real. That's gets me real wet.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You went to the gym at 5 AM. I'm like, whatever,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: who cares? And so now everybody's like, screw this guy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And she, she just goes, whatever, you're crazy. And he's like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and now the other girlfriend has been sharing
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: her DMs from two years ago where he was like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: where her sister had just died and a month prior.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I just, I want to get my
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: sister's ashes. I just, I feel, and he's like, fine, I'll,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I'll move the ashes. Like just, he was just so awful.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So maybe this girl and the girl from two years
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: ago will be best friends.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they could be.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The four of you guys do a podcast.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. Can I say it now? I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: think he hat fishes people.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Hat fish. I love that expression.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been talking about this a lot.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Meaning you have a hat on and it's the cutest
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: face ever.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, look at his face. He's gorgeous.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gorgeous.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Let's take off the hat.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I've looked him up a few times and every image
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: has a hat.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: And you know what I love about Lala? So I
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: was on Raya.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I deleted it again.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I just told you.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So I go, I have the same with the dating apps.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I'll go on it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'm going to go out there.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put myself out there. And then I
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: like retreat. I'm like, oh my God. Then you see
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: what's out there and you go.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: So, but I'm also still a little.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Is that your Raya alert? I'm not on Raya.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: I'm still a little green.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: And so I'm like, hey, what do you think of
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: this guy?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: She's like, Amber, effery.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Freaking picture, there's a hat.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, what does that mean? But he's
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: so cute.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: She's like, he has no hair.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh. Or sometimes it's that they have hair.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But something about the head shape just completely changes when
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the hat's gone. 100%.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it like almost like it kind of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: evens out their face or whatever, you know? Yeah, it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: something to be concerned about. It's something to say.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: There's a lot to be concerned about out there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen. It's, it's an, it's interesting. And I think,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you know, when you get on those dates, those sites
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and you're like the new girl in town, it's like
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you get the, the, the first couple of months seem
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to be like all the good ones, but you don't
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: realize that, you know, and then people say, and then I,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: then they show up again. Like it goes to recycle. Like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: like they, you know, there's, cause there's some that are
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: just like, they know they do real well on it,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you know? And, um, but this was just, um, And
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to put it all out there, I know they're on
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: a reality show and everything, but it was just so,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and it did seem like he was really sort of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: jumping to crazy conclusions.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: So wait, she never made out with anybody?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: She, well, what I saw, she was like, no, like
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I'm dancing, but then someone said they were holding hands
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and this and that. And I mean, again, one of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the reasons I believed your ex for a minute is
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, when you're like a star and people are
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: following them, it's weird. Like I went to a thing and, And, um,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you know, like a fun little party on Saturday for stage.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It wasn't anything super big, you know, some gifting, some
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not other people, anyone could go and like buy a drink.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I got a band, I got a free, you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: burnt and barbecue, you know, it was pretty good. Some
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: free mac and cheese. It wasn't anything. Um, I see
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: that someone there took a photo of my girlfriend and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I just add around cocktail table, just eating our food
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: in the day and like put it on a, on
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a site of like, look at this fucking loser. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Jesus, I'm literally just eating.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Can I eat some fucking macaroni and cheese? The world
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: is brutal. I'm telling you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. Sorry that I'm went to something and I'm having
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: lunch with a girl that I met first day of college.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm saying if it's happening to me,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, Clearly, you know, some young person that
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: probably wants to fuck him is obsessed with them, saw
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: her there, and she's there too, and then is like.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: She's very pretty.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: DMing and being like, you know, just so you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: she's dancing with some guy. Even if she was dancing
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: with some guy or whatever, like, what are you... Who cares?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Also, look at the way he talks to her.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It was so.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: If that's how he's... That's not like the first time
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: that he's communicated with her like that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: She's been walking on eggshells. And probably it loves him
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: cause he is so cute. He probably is like, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the type of, you know, when they like, because of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that truck stuff, you know how those like, there's like
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: videos where it's like, you know, um, what, what did your,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you know, what happened? All right, let me get my shotgun.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And you're like, Not that you're like for that, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'll be watching some TikTok videos and it'll
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be like some girl like, when your man knows what
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to do. And then it's like, shows the truck, like
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: leave the house. And she's like, and everyone's like, that's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a real man. Like, I get why it's kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hot until you're on the receiving end and it's like
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: 5 a.m. And you're washing your face and it's like,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm home at the influencer house. wiping
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the sand out of my hair. I don't have a
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: dick in my mouth. Like what is wrong with you?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: People are so unhinged.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: People are so, we are, we like, and not to
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: go like really negative, but people are so sick and
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: it's like, like emotionally sick, spiritually sick.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: And it's this, it's this world that we've all become
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: obsessed about and with. And people are, well, People don't care.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: They will go to any length to destroy a life.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: If that means that they get another like on Instagram
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: or 10,000 more followers.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Or break up somebody or whatever.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no boundaries.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: But I think that she should thank whoever sent the DM.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, thank you. I mean, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a point where you were like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: thank you, Lala. Like, thank you, Lala. I might have
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: still stayed with this person. That definitely happened. Like, lots
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of times people say, I do thank the other woman.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Or if it does end up okay. And the, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the second wife or the step-mom stays with them forever.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: There's so many times that women come together because, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, I'll just do the exchanges, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: with the step-mom or like, you know, like, like let's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: just take him out of it, you know, whatever. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: sometimes it, and it can sometimes work out great for
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the rest of their lives and families are together and the,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: two moms are planning the wedding together, you know, like
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it can all happen.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: It can if there's normal people involved.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Right. Exactly.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: When you have like crazy people.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Involved, it does, there's no, there's, there's no chance.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: And there was that point where I, I'll never forget
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: when she called me and she made an amends and
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, thank you for, you know, taking the
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: time to like make the amends.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: But I would have not, I wouldn't have been alive.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: I was so sick. I was, so sick in my.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Addiction, my codependency.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: What was your addiction?
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: For me, I loved, well, loved everything but cocaine.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I've never done cocaine before, but I loved Xanax, muscle relaxers,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: you know, wine. I was a big, I loved my wine, like.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Anything to not feel.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So you were sober too.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sober.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Um, and yeah, I just, I was slowly killing myself emotionally, spiritually, physically.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: And I, I would not have been able to get
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: out of the marriage. I didn't know how, like I
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: had been married for eight years. I did not know
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: how to leave the marriage. It just, I couldn't take
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: that leap of faith. I was, I had so much
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: fear and anxiety. So if it wasn't for, for her
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and the situation that happened.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: I would have never left.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, um, Speaking of new love, so your castmate,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Michelle from the Valley, everybody's talking about that she is
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: holding hands on a date with Dr. Dre. Can you
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: speak on this at all? Did you know about this?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Are you shipping this, as the kids say?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I know nothing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a friend named Paige Davis, and she's
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: very funny. And she was saying, I... was trying to
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: be set up with Dr. Dre. And I think I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: know the mutual friend. And she's like, so good for her.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: She was being funny. She's like, I'm really jealous that
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: it wasn't me. But I think it's kind of fun.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's cute.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Lola's being so good. Why not? Who cares? I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: he's a lot older, but he's obviously... different life, everything again.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It could just be fun.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: It's Dr.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Dre.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: It's Dr. Dre.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It's Dr.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Fucking Dre.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be a real fun time. Yeah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: So good for her. Her daughter, by the way, is
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: her doppelganger.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: They look so much alike.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: They look so much alike when I watch The Valley.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: She's... Isabella is starting to look more and more like
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: her as she gets older. I feel like for a moment,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Jesse loved that Isabella was like a copy and paste
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: of him, which I think when she was younger, they
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: did look very similar. As she gets older, she's turning
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: into her mama.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was cool. All right, now this
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: is from Summer House. And Summer House, i people have
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: compared compared a little bit to the scandal ball in
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that there is a guy i'm going to educate amber
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: so there's summer house these people live in a house
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: all summer there's this beautiful girl sierra and she dated
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: this guy west can you see it like a year
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: or so ago And it was kind of an on
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and off, didn't work out, but she seemed to sort
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: of be pining for him and still like him.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: He reeled her in.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So he, yeah, he'd kind of play with her emotions
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and bring her back and all this stuff. And meanwhile,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: she became best friends with Amanda and Amanda was married
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to a guy named Kyle for like 10 years and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they would have, they were the fighting couple. You know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: have you ever been in a group? where it's the
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: fighting couple. Imagine all summer long.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I was the fighting couple. I was the fighting couple too.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I know that very well.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Where all the friends are like, God, we're stuck in
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: this house. You know, could you just be nicer to her?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Could you just, whatever the case is. And then he
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: becomes a DJ, which everyone is like, that's the kiss
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: of death, whatever. But I'm also glad that he did
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it because they are getting divorced now. And it comes
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: out that Amanda and West are, have been fucking. Yeah. And,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: No one really knows the truth of when it began.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But in watching the show, Sierra was that constant friend
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: boosting Amanda up, being like, you know, you deserve better
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: than this marriage you're in. And, you know, really kind
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of depleting, sucking the air out of the room as,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the woe is me wife, Amanda. When, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: he was playing it and I had this I talked
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: about on my show and I'm like, I just want
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to know what, who is, is there a type of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: girl that kind of gets off on fucking her friend's boyfriend?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Like that proximity. Is there something that makes you do it?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And this girl wrote me and she goes, I was
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that girl.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Did she explain like what it is?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: She totally regrets it now, but she just said, I
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: think like anything, it is sort of like, now I
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, this might be the first time Amanda has
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: ever done this in her life, but someone that might
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: do this a little in high school, a little in college,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know that girl, but like, what is it
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: that you can be such a good friend to somebody?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: And oftentimes like we saw Rachel even like ask Ariana,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: you know, how's things going with you and Tom? And
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I've heard other people saying that we're, Like.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: A temperature gauge? In the mom world.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: They're like confessing to their friend that like their marriage
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: is bad and the whole time the friend is screwing
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the husband and the friend is like, how's things going?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not a friend, right? No, it's not a friend.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: She's like showing up as a friend, but the intentions
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: are really sick and demented and it's not okay.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: It literally makes me sick too.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: It's just not, it's like that brought me back, you
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: sharing that story and explaining that to me, brought me
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: back to When I couldn't trust women, like, at all. Like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: I lost trust in both male and female. But, like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: as women, we are supposed to have each other's back. And, yes,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: we all make mistakes. But those kind of mistakes, you're
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: not well.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: That's a very sick person.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if they work out? Amanda and Wes. I...
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the only way it could work is
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: if they did work out, but I don't think it will.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I think he wants out and he, now he doesn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: know what to do. And so then they had this
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: audio leak from when they filmed the reunion and people,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the first thought was people thought, did he leak it
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to like get himself fired or something? It turns out
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: now they're saying, no, it was someone on production and,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I immediately from the beginning thought, no, production did it
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to keep us talking. And it was juicy to hear
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: them all fighting and accusing each other of stuff, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: it wasn't anything that we wouldn't have expected. So I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was like a bombshell moment where someone yelled.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: fine we started fucking june 4th like it was nothing
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: like that it was just them arguing with each other
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: so is.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: There a second season of this that's with the same
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: cast this is this is going on.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Right now they just did the reunion so we'll see
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: this in like a few more weeks and right now
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: they're together right now amanda and and west are together
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: but they said they're both quitting the show or something
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: i don't know if that's true but.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: I have a question yeah when you were with the person.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: And everything was going on in the media.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: Did you ever feel like the pressure, like I have
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: to make this work?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Because you, because it did start from an affair.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like the extra pressure of
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: like saving face because the public, you know, it was
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: sort of not a good thing the way it started.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: No, I never felt that pressure of it needs to work.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Not at all.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Um, That's interesting because I feel like a lot of
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: people like this. I'm sure they're really feeling the.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Pressure of like, wow, we just kind of made this.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: We blew up our lives.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: We blew up our lives. Now this has to work.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: No, but the pressure of my cast, you know, constantly
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: having that as like a topic of.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Conversation, I broke.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I ran away from home. I was threatened that there
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: could be legal action taken if I did not return.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I fell off the grid. I packed my dog up.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I drove 10 hours. Um, to Utah and no one
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: could get.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Ahold of me.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: This was when, right?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: This was season, season five.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: While you were seeing, while I was seeing him and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: we didn't know who he was.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Right. Because, and I had hounded about like, this doesn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: make sense. Why is there, why does it take so
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: long to get divorced? Why are people saying that you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: still married? Like, why is, you know, why is my
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: cast member saying that they saw the two of you,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: you know, in photos, like I was just, I was,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: my gut was speaking to me, putting the pieces together
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: to where I cracked under pressure. Production was banging on
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: my apartment door. I was supposed to leave to go on. Um,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I think it was one of the cast members birthday
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: trips where they had rented an RV. And I was like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not fucking putting myself in that situation to be
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: hounded about this again.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I let them bang on the door.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Once they left, I grabbed my dog and I left
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: for Utah and then they got in touch with my
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: mom and said, you know, there may be legal action
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: taken if she doesn't, she's contractually obligated.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: To go back to Vanderpump rules.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: At least to sign off and tell us she's out.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Like we need her story to be wrapped up if
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: this is what she's choosing to do.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah. I remember that then when you came back
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: to the show.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And I remember he wanted me to leave the show.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: And I considered it for half a second before I
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: was like, this could tee me up for a future.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I'm certainly not going to give something up for anybody.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: And that's such a good thing that women need to remember.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: When someone's like, what? I've got you. You don't need
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: to do this dumb thing. But you have to think,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: But if this doesn't last forever, if this doesn't, you know, like, yeah,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: now I've given up medical school or whatever you're doing
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: or your, you know, college or your business.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Lady Gaga said it in one of her acceptance speeches.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: She said, for all of my women out there who
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: are trying to choose between a man and their career,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: just remember, your career will never wake up in the
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: middle of the night and tell you it doesn't love
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: you anymore.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: And then she just walked off stage.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Ugh.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: That is so good.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: That is so good.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I needed to hear that. Yeah, really.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Speaking of, you know, shutting it down and going off
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to Utah with the dog.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Such a good choice.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul has, now, I don't know in the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: world of TikTok or Instagram, deleting your stuff where you have,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you know, 8 million followers, whatever. I would think if
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you do want to come back, at your level, someone
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: could get ahold.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Of someone on TikTok or Instagram.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. So it's like back, but back in the day,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: like for a regular person deleting your Instagram, I remember
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen did it. He was on Twitter. He was
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. He had like 800,000 followers, which was a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: lot or something crazy. And then he just like deleted it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And I was talking to somebody that like it was
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: his representation or something. And they were freaking out because
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: it was like, no, you're not getting those people back.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: And that's when he was like tiger blood tweets and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: all that. And so anytime she wants to come back,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: she can. And they said Mormon Wives is going to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: start filming again in Utah as well as the new
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: cast in the OC. But, and then she, they don't
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: know when she's going to come back, but she, you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: is welcome to come back. I was thinking, you know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I wonder if, yeah, you said liberating?
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, I'm like, you know, we got to
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: just think about her right now, you know, in her age.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: She's been raised, on this stuff probably since she was
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: like younger than 10. She probably was able to go
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on things and do videos or whatever. She's been making
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: her money and being a celebrity since 2020. And in, in,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and then exasperating it with the reality show and the Bravo.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And then of course her, her problems with her ex
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: and her custody issues. I'm like, could she, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: just live a normal life for like a year or two?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Could she, actually not post, just be a mom and,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and just go to yoga, go cook. something whatever have
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: enough money to like live off of work out your
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: situation with your ex like can someone like that be
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: okay not being famous not reading the comments not seeing
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that their video got two million.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Views i think it becomes like a drug it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Does i think fame is an addiction And I think
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: social media is a huge element of that. So there's
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: like a social media fame addiction where you just get
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: off on, you know, not just looking at it, but posting,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: seeing what people are saying and doing.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: I don't have that.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: I have many other addictions we've come to find out,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: but social media is not one of them.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I deleted Instagram off of my phone.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: I want to say like a week and a half ago.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And I have had no problem, like people will send
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: me things where I have to like open Instagram and
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't see it because I don't have
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Instagram right now.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: So when you remove Raya or Instagram like from your phone,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that's just like a discipline. It's like throwing away a
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: chocolate cake.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Because I will mindlessly just go on my phone and
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: click on it and it's like autopilot because you just
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: are conditioned to do that. So when I get on
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: my phone and I don't have anywhere to go, it's like, oh,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I don't need this.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, but then, you know, yes, you can still go.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: You didn't lose it. You're just doing it as like
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a disciplinarian thing.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's like there's nothing on here for me right now.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: And social media makes me feel extremely vulnerable and exposed.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of a difficult place because obviously my
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: livelihood and like how I've positioned myself is based off
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: of like things like that.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Right. It's like, you don't totally have a choice of like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. Like, what is she going to do?
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Like she doesn't, you know, um, it'll be, I think she,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's good for her. And if she steps
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: back into the world, maybe she'll have some parameters to it,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: you know, but like, she wasn't like, even when all
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the shit was going down, she still was doing videos
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: with her, you know, shaking her ass and being like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I don't care. And Like, for a little bit. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I would have thought you would
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: have shut it down for a minute. And so it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: interesting now, weeks later, that the shutdown happened where, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: she really realized.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a dopamine hit.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Everything's a dopamine hit, whether you're filming the video or
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: you're swiping. It's like she, I'm sure, like, got advised
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: by the people that she's getting counseling from or in
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: therapy for. Like, you have to completely remove.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: It's like having.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: An ex boyfriend's number still on your phone.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: Like, why is he still in your contact? Just like
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: you have to block and delete. That is how you
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: stop getting those dopamine hits.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: Even just scrolling.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Is it still there?
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: It's like the science behind it is so real and
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: it's frightening. And I'm, I'm, I think she made a
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: really good decision because why re even if she gets
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: to a place where she feels healthy enough to have that,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: you know, on her phone and, and have her account again,
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: she isn't she needs to start fresh she needs to
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: have new new memories like why you know it's it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: like tearing the band-aid off or tearing the scab off
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: like why reopen that.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah and so they they're doing the oc version and
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: um and bobby who i i'm not gonna say her
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: name wrong but Bobby, who really became a huge internet star,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: she's divorced. She has three kids. She's from Laguna Beach.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: And she has that really kind of funny way of speaking,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: kind of cadence. She did admit later on that it
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: was like an act. It was like a character.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm impressed by it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: That's great. So then I was like, oh, we shouldn't
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: have done that. We should have just... kept with your
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: like weird quirky quirkiness but like.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: She's so pretty i do think.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It will be fun to actually get to see her
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: in this show i think it's a great idea that
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: they did the oc.
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah i'm excited i think there's a lot of
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: murmurs in the oc and then and then wait did any.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Murmurs is that what you call them yeah a merman oh.
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: Oh more oh merman oh yeah by the way now
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: it's lds oh they don't like to be called mormons
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: yeah i don't i think.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: They took the the term mormon out and it's LDS
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: is Latter-day Saints.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they should be the secret lives of LDS wives.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like the ring to that, actually.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I know, that's shorter. Yeah. Speaking of which, have you
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: heard of this, like, weird thing people are doing where they, like, do, like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a jaw crack or something?
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to do it. Amber and I, she
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: sent me this video, and, like.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: I just even watching Leanne cry made me want to
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: cry because, like, the relief that she felt after he, like,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: went in there and was like, And she just starts
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: sobbing because of how much pressure.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: There's some weird things that they put on gloves. And
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: she did a video, Leanne rhymes, who is married to
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Eddie Cibrian, who they were in the news a lot,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like 15 years ago, because he was married to Brandy Glanville,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a real housewives of Beverly Hills. And, then it was
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: like found out that they were like seen like going
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to a hotel and they had done a movie together and,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: but they ended up getting married and it was really,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: really ugly between Leanne and Brandy. Brandy would, you know,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: talk shit and everything. But now in like the last,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, eight, 10 years, they do Thanksgiving together.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: They invite Brandy to everything. And then she just said
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: they just celebrated like their whatever anniversary, 12 years. But, um,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I do think this stuff is weird, though. Like, I mean,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: why not, I guess, have someone stick their finger on
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: the side of your jaw and, like, what, release your trauma? Oh,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I need that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I know. That's what I guess he's,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'll do it to you. I'll get a glove and
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: go for it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: I'm going to have to chop a nail off, though,
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: because this thing will fucking stab you.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe the pain will take away from my heartbreak.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Um, I just love looking. I'd like, I'm just into
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: like backcracking. Oh, this did not turn me on as
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: much as a backcracking video.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Well, they needed to put the microphone closer to her face.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Whatever happened inside.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: And then you see, I don't know if you could
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: hear it like a backcrack.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: No, then you like following these videos that came out,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: you see her on stage singing and like now what she,
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: and I'm just like, something happened.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: To her artistically.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: And I don't know the sound. It unleashed this, This trauma.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And you see the guys do it. Have you watched
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the videos of some of the men doing it?
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: No.
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: And they're weeping like little babies.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: I would go.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: I think this guy lives in Florida.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Remember when everybody was doing cupping? What happened with that?
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: I saw a few basketball players that are playing in
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: the NBA right now. The playoffs that have cupping on
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: like their shoulders.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I know. I hate that that's like a look, though.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: It looks awful.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You know, what you should do to your feet. I
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: did see that. You and I watched that. Yeah, the
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: foot's the big one.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: What do you mean the foot?
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: You just cup in the foot. Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: They do like the heat around it and then they
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: cup and like pull and then they suction them to
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: like the heel, middle of the foot, ball of the foot.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: But remember when it was like such a.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: And then you had to have those big things on
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: your feet for like a week. No, no, no.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, those big cupping.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like, I mean, it's so weird when you
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: go to like a party and you see someone like
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: a strapless dress. They've got like cupping.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: On their back.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: It was like almost like an accessory, those markings for
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: actresses on the red carpet.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Everyone had that.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: And they would do like the back shot. That's what
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: These things go like in a... In like, you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: a trend. And you're like, oh, is that still a thing?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I love all that shit though. I'll try anything. I'll
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: try anything too. I'll wear a sweatshirt after.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Remember what people used to do going in? Do you
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: ever do that anymore? Does anyone do the thing where
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: you like go and just like sweat off a few pounds?
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like that kind of went away.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Like the sleeping bag?
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to like sweat before the.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I used to do that all the time. That's gross.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: It revives you.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: We need a sauna.
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: We should put a sauna in the backyard.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. I think it's a great idea. Yeah, everyone
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: says you need a red light sauna.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: So then you can just go in with your whole body.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: They have like little pods now.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have them at Costco.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Costco sells them for like $ 1, 200.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Like a two-person sauna.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Red light sauna.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: You know, Costco had caviar the other day.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: I heard.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: I heard it went like sold out like crazy.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cute. It comes in like a Tiffany's blue box.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, cute.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I feel like when something gets mass
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: produced and is at Costco, it's like I know. Okay, caviar.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: You know, caviar is like now like the truffle of
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: like 2018. Oh, that makes me sad.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: When everyone was like, oh, truffle. We get all excited.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: And then now it's like Carl's Jr. has a truffle burger.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Kids, get in the car. We're having a fancy dinner tonight.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so kind of like, you know, everyone has their
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: own caviar line. Everyone's a DJ. Or did you see
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: that Pretty Mess is a DJ?
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I did see that. She's going to DJ Boze's wedding, remember?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I think it's like, I love that Erica was,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: he's like, how do you like being a DJ, Erica Jane?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I love it. Show up, play other
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: people's music, get out, it's quick, easy money. I'm like,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: thank you for being so fucking honest. She's the best.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: She's my favorite.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's easier than you doing a 90
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: minute show with 10 gay guys and like squatting and
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: singing and all that. If you could just go, it's
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the best hold your ear and be like one two
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: three four you know like god i always said my
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: dream was just to go remember when like kim kardashian
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: everything was always like in vegas just getting paid to
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: like do an appearance yeah yeah and i was like
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: oh do you think i could ever just get to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that level just getting paid to show up that's it
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: don't have to talk to anybody that's the dream don't
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: have to don't have to play the record i remember
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: don't have to sing don't have to stand up.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: But like what would i appear to do now like Yeah,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: and we're also going to get you bottle service.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Like, all right. A nice bottle of Perrier.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I have no business being in a club.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: So you would do that. You'd do the nightclub thing.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Back in the day when I first started on Bravo, yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And what would that pay?
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, I couldn't even tell you. Maybe $ 10, 000?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: So they'd hook you up the whole weekend. See, what
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I would love.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd pay for your room and, like, your food
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: and whatnot. And then you'd go to the club and
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: you could bring, like, your friends if you wanted. They
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: had to pay for their own flights, whatever. And then
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: it was like unlimited drinking. And then here's your check.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: You know what it really turns me on is what
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: makes me envious is like when I see, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: all the influencers and everything that are like, oh, we're
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: doing this. I'm like, okay, so how does this work?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Like someone just does organize the whole thing. Here's your flight.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Miguel is going to pick you up from the airport.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: You're going to go over here. Here's your itinerary. Be
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: ready at four. The car is going to pick you up.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: We're going to take you, drop you off right at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: the place. Here's your VIP tickets or an artist pass.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And like, you don't have to think about anything.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: That's the life. God. I, that's what I just like.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Someone's like, you know, you can just hire a travel agent.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I go, I guess I could. I don't know. It
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: just seems so nice if someone else was just like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: doing it for you. You know what?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: I feel this way about making, when I see my
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: friends that are making a lot of money doing shop my,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: or like all these brands are just selling clothes.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: I'm like, they make it look so easy.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: And I was like, you know what?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do that as like, I have like.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: An hour a day just dedicate doing that, doing my
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: style or my makeup, whatever I want.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: And then I go to do it. I'm like, This
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: is fucking hard.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: No, it's so hard.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Why is it so hard? The shot mine is hard?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Well, just everything.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: Everything.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: That's why when people like shit on influencers, like the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: joy that people had that like there was a windy
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: day at Stagecoach and like, you know, because it's like, good.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Now those fuckers now. I'm like, what? What is wrong
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: with you?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: It was wind for 45 minutes and it was okay,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: but it did fuck up some people's trip. Why would
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: you be happy just because you're squatting in the basement
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: like baby reindeer stalker? Like who cares? Why are you
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: such a mean about it?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: I know people are so cold, but I did. I
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: had like a moment of doing socials like influencer style socials.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: It was the hardest thing I've ever done.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Because you kept like doing it wrong.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: You're like, hey, you didn't do the hashtag right. No,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: like the original setup was like I brought on a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: social media guy. He would send me what I needed
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: to capture and he came. And by the way, he's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: freaking fantastic. I just am not into social media like that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Like I dreaded the days when he was like, hey,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: we're going to get content this week. I would literally,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is worse than getting my nails done.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Like I... do not enjoy this. I was like a zombie.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: I like suddenly needed a nap at just the thought
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: of it. So he comes over though to like teach
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: me how I'm going to do things. And here's the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: app that we're going to use. Once you've downloaded this app,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: this is where you upload your videos.
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  Speaker 3: I go, here's the deal.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to let me know how much I
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  Speaker 4: can pay you to do all of this, where you come.
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  Speaker 3: You set up the lighting. I just like am the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: talking head. And then you edit the videos. It's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fucking work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then I felt way too exposed.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, why do I have a video every single
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: day going up on my feed?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Like now I'm feeling very out there.
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  Speaker 2: There was a video I saw recently where it's like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: a little boy. He's like, you know, eight or something.
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  Speaker 2: And the mom is on the couch. And it's one
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: of those videos, you know, short clips of like, you know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: where someone just shows you their day making their coffee,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: making their bed, whatever. But you end up watching the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: whole thing. And so... But it was the kid was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, took the baby, strapped the baby, cleaned up
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: the kitchen, put a blanket over the mother. And everyone's like,
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  Speaker 2: that's a great man. I'm like, you made him fucking
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  Speaker 2: do this. Somebody is filming this thing. You're pretending to
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  Speaker 2: be asleep on the couch. Yeah. Why are you like, like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you making your son.
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  Speaker 3: A trad wife? It's called creating a viral moment.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Right. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's all fake.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm always, I always love to go to the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: common and have one person finally write that like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but like, You had them do all this. Someone had
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  Speaker 2: to film it. Someone had to move the camera eight
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  Speaker 2: different spots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Then edit it all together. You know, if you didn't
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  Speaker 2: do that, you probably wouldn't be sleep deprived and make
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: your eight-year-old breastfeed your child. You probably could do it yourself.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but people, it's interesting how many people still
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: don't understand the production behind certain things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Like the amount of messages that I got being like,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: you should have Brittany, uh, leave Brandon. I'm like, this
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: is not live television.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's not.
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  Speaker 2: Are they still dating?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: No, but like people think they are watching live television.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And we, we power on film, whatever's go. And there's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: no like production behind things.
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  Speaker 3: So it is interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Like when you see those, those moments that like make
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: you sad, right. It's like, Oh, in like a good way. Like, Oh,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: the guy coming home from like, wherever he's been in
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: the dog running up. And it's like a viral moment.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: This is to make you feel something. That dog could
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: be a fucking actor.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: But you know, so many of those pet ones are
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: now AI. It's a real, I know.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And you want to know who's feeding into AI is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the older generation.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. They love it. They're like, did you see
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: the deer that brought over its baby and brought a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: cake and thanked the person that helped them, uh, get
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: out of the net? You know, like you're like, Wait,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: and I, yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: You guys, during the wildfire. Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Devastating.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: My mom goes, look at these firefighters.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: And they're going into flames, carrying out like baby reindeers
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: or fox. And I'm like, mom, that is not real.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: That's who they're targeting. Yeah, Lisa. The Lisas of the world.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: She believed it. I'm like, no, it's not real. Doesn't
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: even look real. Anyway, moving on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I love that you guys talk on your show
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: and it's a great, great, uh, name for a podcast
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: and unlikely affair being your history and your friendship. How
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: did you come up with the name?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I think we're on a, like a massive, you know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: thread with a bunch of different people at iHeart and ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: And we were just like, let's just rip it and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: let's see what comes up.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: Somehow that name came in the mix and it was like.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, well, you and I were wanting like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: an affair to be brought into it. And I definitely
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: wanted on to be part of it because it's untraditionally Lala.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I wanted to like stick with that. And, um, it was,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: it's just such a perfect name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: When you know, when you, you know, when you know,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: that's what I was trying to say.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The moment.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. And, um, And what made you decide to say
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: goodbye to Give Them Lala?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: I just felt like it was.
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  Speaker 4: So juvenile and represented a part of my life that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: I was just like no longer in. Like it was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: created when I was with that person. And then even
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: like the beauty and skin line was like connected to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: that person. The fucking book I wrote where the dedication page.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, it's right behind.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: By the way, I love the cover. I've never looked better.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: But the dedication page was like talking to him.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm just, I don't want it anymore.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Like, I need a divorce from this.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. I think it's great that you,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: you know, make that break. Well, I'm so glad you
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: guys came, and it was really so interesting and juicy.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Everybody, follow them. Check out the podcast, Unlikely Affair and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Untraditionally Lala. And, of course, The Valley is on every
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Are we on Tuesdays or Wednesdays? I think we're on Wednesdays.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, you probably get it on Tuesdays, though, too.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I don't understand how TV works anymore. So I basically want,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I have to watch it the next day on Peacock. Peacock.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I can understand.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Because it literally tells you new episode Thursday.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, maybe.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. Maybe. Yeah. Well, I'm caught up in it, but
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what days these things are on. And
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Rhode Island is all about the cheating. So. Oh, it's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to start watching it.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Everybody go to HeatherMcDonald.net for me and Patreon. Thank you
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