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HAVILAH MALONE - Shews, Spicy & Grit Therapy · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
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  Speaker 1: special guests having a Malone, executive producer, actress, and three
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  Speaker 1: times best selling author is in the building. Yes, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for coming through. I really appreciate it and
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  Speaker 1: excited to have you. But before we get into your
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  Speaker 1: journey of h before success, what will you have me
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  Speaker 1: eating today?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be tasting some spicy, cheesy grits. It
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  Speaker 2: would have been shrimp and grits, but you know, no shrimp.
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  Speaker 1: No shrimp who was used budget friendly and then with
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  Speaker 1: the cash us.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so we need a little protein and we don't
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  Speaker 2: have no shrimp, so we go.
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  Speaker 1: Cas you put the cashews in the grits.
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  Speaker 3: We do, put the cashewes inside the grits.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for real, I didn't know. When I saw you
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  Speaker 1: said cashews for protein, you know, grits and jalapenos, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is definitely affordable. This whole meal can
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  Speaker 1: break out to like twenty meals, and I think the
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  Speaker 1: total was like seven bucks with inflation. Yeah, well I
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  Speaker 1: would say more than twenty meals. I'm just gonna say
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  Speaker 1: that right now. They gave me the only cheesy grits
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  Speaker 1: came in like a bulk size from Walmart, so definitely affordable.
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  Speaker 1: But I was thrown off by the cashoes. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know how this whole thing was going to play out.
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  Speaker 1: But go ahead, you could start whipping up.
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  Speaker 2: That dish and don't make sure this water is nice
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  Speaker 2: and hot and boiling.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely want to start with.
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  Speaker 1: This and grits because well, first of all, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: From New Orleans, so we already have like comfort food,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's something that will really stick with you.
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  Speaker 2: So you eat grits and then you're gonna be full
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  Speaker 2: for a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of time. Yeah, that's how I feel about my
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  Speaker 1: low key morning hack. Now is I wake up, when
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  Speaker 1: I prepare my daughter's lunch and everything, I will make
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  Speaker 1: myself an egg and cheese sandwich and just two eggs toasts.
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  Speaker 1: And then sometimes I'll instead of putting like just butter
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  Speaker 1: on it, I'll use hummus for extra prosin. It sounds crazy,
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  Speaker 1: but I do put hummus, like especially a spicy hummus
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  Speaker 1: on it, or I'll do avocado. And I promise you
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  Speaker 1: that egg sandwich will hold me till like three o'clock
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  Speaker 1: from seven in the morning. I'm like, yo, that is
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate hack. And I don't know if it's just
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  Speaker 1: all the protein in it, but it definitely holds me up.
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  Speaker 3: With that egg, the yolk of that egg is really filling.
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  Speaker 2: And then the bread, Yeah, like that bread is going
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  Speaker 2: like stick to sticky.
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  Speaker 1: Aside, But if you guys have never done the egg
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  Speaker 1: hummus breakfast sandwich, I promise you it is really good.
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  Speaker 1: Do you eat hummus?
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  Speaker 3: I do eat hummus.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about putting that concoction together?
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  Speaker 3: Mm? Hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: I promise you it is good. But take me back
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  Speaker 1: to what was going on during the time of the
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  Speaker 1: grits cast used in Jilapino era.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bank account was very slim, extremely slim. I
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  Speaker 2: had experienced a layoff from a job that I had
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  Speaker 2: for over a decade, and even though yes, they had
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  Speaker 2: given us a you know, a severance package you know
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  Speaker 2: from after leaving, but instead of me going straight into
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  Speaker 2: another you know job, I decided to figure out my
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  Speaker 2: life and figure out what I wanted for my life.
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  Speaker 2: And that brought me into a deep dive into like
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  Speaker 2: personal development.
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  Speaker 1: Pause. I don't think there's enough water to cook on.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I don't think so either. I think.
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  Speaker 1: You have to cook all some of that is just
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  Speaker 1: for uh, for just so people don't not at she
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  Speaker 1: was about to cook like four six packs old. It
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  Speaker 1: would have been the dry spirts of all time. No,
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  Speaker 1: we bushed it out just for two looking like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we would have set you up to fail. All right,
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  Speaker 1: go on, go back to your story. Sorry about that. Hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: So I was in the midst of, you know, trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what my next steps were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: within my life.
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  Speaker 1: And how old were you at this time? I was
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  Speaker 1: hard to be twenty, like late twenties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, late twenties.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you go back to square one, and what
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  Speaker 1: job was this at the time?
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  Speaker 2: This was I was working in corporate America. I was
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  Speaker 2: working for Hewlett Packard, so I had I was the
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  Speaker 2: district sales manager for them. I was running one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty million dollar technology business for them.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was also their spokesperson on like the
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  Speaker 2: Home Shopping Network and QBC, like selling their products on air.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the economy took a really big downturn,
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  Speaker 2: and so their business started of course going down, and
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  Speaker 2: they decided because they were contemplating breaking off the computing
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  Speaker 2: and printing sides of the business, and then instead they
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  Speaker 2: were just like, we'll just eliminate complete organizations to be
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  Speaker 2: able to save money.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blessing in disguise because I used to
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  Speaker 2: wake up every day depressed, and not because it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a good job, not because I wasn't paid well, not
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't work with great people, but because I
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  Speaker 2: was at a place in my life that it was
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  Speaker 2: time to move on and to really.
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  Speaker 3: Discover who I was.
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  Speaker 2: And I would move on because I was afraid of
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  Speaker 2: what was on the other side, and everybody in my family,
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  Speaker 2: my life was like, you better not lead a good job.
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  Speaker 1: You've been not you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just like, okay, well, let me just get
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  Speaker 2: up out of bed, put the smile on, and keep
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  Speaker 2: doing the thing. And God, the universe, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it, was like, no, boo, I need you
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  Speaker 2: to move on because I have more for you. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't stay here in this space, in this spot.
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  Speaker 3: So cool you don't.
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  Speaker 1: Do it, I'll get you there, right, I'll do it
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: And that came in the form of a layoff, and
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  Speaker 2: it was like a part of me, of course, was
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  Speaker 2: like WHOA. Okay, well now what does this mean? Because
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  Speaker 2: my identity was tied to that position. My identity was
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  Speaker 2: tied to this title, and it was like who am
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  Speaker 2: I without this? And it literally I think we is
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  Speaker 2: this nice and cooked? Now We're gonna let it just
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  Speaker 2: sit for a second, off this heat. But really just
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out who I was. And in that
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  Speaker 2: time of trying to figure that out, I didn't I
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  Speaker 2: got an opportunity to go and work for another in
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  Speaker 2: another division within the company. But I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: can keep doing what I know how to do. That's
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  Speaker 2: easy for me, but it's literally killing me, or I
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  Speaker 2: can figure out who I am and what.
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  Speaker 3: I really want?
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  Speaker 1: So what was your next play?
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  Speaker 2: So my next play I got reached out to by
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  Speaker 2: a friend who he only reaches out probably like once
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  Speaker 2: or twice a year, just like check in.
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  Speaker 1: I love friends like that. By the way, Oh it's
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  Speaker 1: such a such I ain't heart room and a while
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  Speaker 1: and then and they were like priority calls to when
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  Speaker 1: you do get those once in a BlueMoon calls, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: I got to call him back.
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  Speaker 2: And so he reaches out and that in that call,
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  Speaker 2: he was just like, yo, it's just checking on you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how things going.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what had just happened.
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  Speaker 2: And so like I shared with him with the situation was,
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  Speaker 2: and he was just like, you know, oh, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: keep you in my prayers, you know, definitely, you know,
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  Speaker 2: keeping you uplifted.
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  Speaker 1: Like everything's gonna work out. He was very you know,
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  Speaker 1: like just encouraging.
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  Speaker 2: And two days later, it was about like two days later,
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  Speaker 2: he reaches back out to me and he was like,
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  Speaker 2: I have a friend who I'm gonna have reach out
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  Speaker 2: to you who may potentially have an opportunity for you.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was like, okay, look, thank you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like I appreciate it. The friend reaches out and the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity was to work as a community outreach director at
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  Speaker 2: a funeral home.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, right, but that's why you started with a laugh?
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  Speaker 1: Did you end up taking the job?
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  Speaker 3: Girl?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I really appreciate you, you know, reaching
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  Speaker 2: out and offering this opportunity to me. However, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this doesn't really align, you know, with her. He was
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  Speaker 2: like I get it. He was like, your background and
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  Speaker 2: what you do like this this really isn't you know
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  Speaker 2: what you do? But we would love to have you,
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  Speaker 2: and like, there's there could be something here while you're
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  Speaker 2: figuring it out. Why are you figuring it out? And
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  Speaker 2: it was local to you too, and it was local okay,
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  Speaker 2: And I was just like no, but he kept pressing.
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  Speaker 2: He literally kept pressing, and so I was just kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, he said, look, just come meet with me,
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  Speaker 2: Just come sit down and have a conversation, even if
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  Speaker 2: you decide you don't want to do this thing. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, sir, you just at a funeral home. Like literally, now, the.
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  Speaker 1: Thing about it, it's got to be hard to like
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  Speaker 1: get employees from funeral homes. Son, I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: how did I come from me? And it was pay
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  Speaker 1: a lot or was it a little? No, it's like
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  Speaker 1: commission based. Oh oh yeah, yeah, he would have lost me,
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  Speaker 1: So go on. So you it sounds like you took
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  Speaker 1: the job.
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  Speaker 2: So I go to this meeting and in this meeting,
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  Speaker 2: I meet a mirror of myself and his assistant director
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  Speaker 2: who she was an older version of what I would
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  Speaker 2: envision myself to be when I got older. And so
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  Speaker 2: it was because of her and wanting to be in
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  Speaker 2: proximity to this woman that I took the job. Now
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  Speaker 2: I was only there for two months and I was like, child,
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  Speaker 2: this is not for me. But it brought me to
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  Speaker 2: a resource that was so necessary for my journey, for
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  Speaker 2: somebody who opened up a space form my.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing of what was possible for my life. Both. So
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  Speaker 1: when you see this woman, yes, you're you, you admire
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  Speaker 1: it's a sense of admiring.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just a sense of my admiration. It was
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  Speaker 2: a sense of like soul connection. Really, it was a.
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  Speaker 1: Sense she was just in the room or she was
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  Speaker 1: actually with you guys interviewing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in the room, like so she so
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  Speaker 2: he was the director of the facility.
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  Speaker 3: She was the assistant director.
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  Speaker 2: So she was there to like be a part of
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  Speaker 2: the interview and and in meeting her.
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  Speaker 1: Like her power, her presence, and she was the assistant director. Yes, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: hmm okay, No, she should have been the director. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to get the whole picture, okay. So it
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  Speaker 1: was the assistant director that caught your attention, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: the way she held her power, oh it was palpable.
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  Speaker 1: You could feel it. But she also young too, she
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  Speaker 1: was older she was older.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, probably at that time, maybe in her sixties
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  Speaker 2: or so, but of course, you know, black don't crack.
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  Speaker 1: So she was yeah, now before we break the story. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we have the yellow, we have these cheesy grits.
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  Speaker 1: I've never even seen grits this color. What are we
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  Speaker 1: doing next? So I haven't had to cook all four pegs, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. So now we're going to take
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  Speaker 1: our cashoes again. This is our substance, and and it's
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  Speaker 1: almost in the shape of a shrimp too. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't she put honey cashoes? I wanted to throw
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  Speaker 1: it in there, and I said, don't, don't mess with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting to like make the sweet and savory. You
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  Speaker 1: know where the cashoes were flown. And I've seen so
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  Speaker 1: many dishes where I've been completely confused with how people
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  Speaker 1: were making them. I just followed the instruction cashoes. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't say honey.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't and it's usually just like raw, so like
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  Speaker 2: not even like sold it or anything, just like raw cashoes.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna just take a little, you know, tablespoon of cashoes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we got to make this last. So you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna take the table.
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  Speaker 1: Cashoes aren't cheap either. Yeah, this eating one bro, come
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  Speaker 1: on now, Okay, so we got.
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  Speaker 2: Cashoes, We have the cashoes, and now we add the
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  Speaker 2: Coudi gras thelopenos. Okay, so lapenos for that. Again, I'm
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  Speaker 2: from New Orleans, so we're all about spice. We're all
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  Speaker 2: about like this, that little kick, that little pop, and
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  Speaker 2: this definitely does it. So to be able to add
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  Speaker 2: our jilapenos right there on top, I mean you.
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  Speaker 1: Had a lot. You don't have to do a lot. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: some of the pano juice in here. I just put
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  Speaker 1: a little splash of this and you know me, you
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  Speaker 1: know that? Yeah, that one halo peno. That's it as
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  Speaker 1: far as I'm going. But it also it's visually appealing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have the color of this, you have
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  Speaker 1: the texture, the dimension of it. So it's like it
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  Speaker 1: makes you feel like you at a fancy restaurant and
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  Speaker 1: child you are not. Yeah, I don't know this this
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  Speaker 1: boone right here and here I'm gonna trying to get it, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so you can mix it all in. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna try it.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go, yes, okay, but the first bite.
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  Speaker 1: I actually like the cashow in it, I mean not
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  Speaker 1: the cashew.
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  Speaker 3: M mans bring me back.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Now, guys, don't judge me eating this in today
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  Speaker 1: as this is the go to eating while broke dish.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say adding jalopinos to grits is definitely
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  Speaker 1: I can actually, you know what, even the cashoes. But
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  Speaker 1: I could be hungry, so this I'm starving, guying hungry. Help.
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  Speaker 1: But I do like the cashew bite with I mean
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  Speaker 1: the kilopino bite with the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like that those flavors combining, the texture is combining.
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  Speaker 2: It just makes you feel so like satiated and like
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  Speaker 2: you're having.
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  Speaker 3: An experience with it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think because you're bringing in so many of
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  Speaker 2: your senses in this in that one bite, it's just like, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: time may be hard, but you know what, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: I think it actually all does work. What I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's because I'm hungry.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just because you're hungry.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that the cashew flavor in the jalopeno
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  Speaker 1: flavor almost drown out the cheesy grits flavor altogether, though
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  Speaker 1: you almost barely taste it. But like something about the
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  Speaker 1: texture of the kilopino and that is is amazing, Like, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: this is definitely a good broke dish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely probably be working at the studio one
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  Speaker 1: day and definitely say, you know what, we got grits
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  Speaker 1: and I love it? Mmmm m all right, guys. I
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  Speaker 1: finished the cheesy grits with jalapeno and cashoes and I
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  Speaker 1: had Katie, our producer called gut to try it to
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  Speaker 1: make sure I wasn't insane. But by far, I think
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  Speaker 1: everyone should try cheesy grits with jalapenos and cas shoes.
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  Speaker 1: It is definitely a cocktail that you would not expect.
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  Speaker 1: And even Katie and like her take a bite of it,
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  Speaker 1: and she was even like shocked at how good it was.
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely judging this dish, but this may be
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  Speaker 1: the new eat. I didn't want to put a kolopeno
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  Speaker 1: in it, but that is amazing. I really want seconds.
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  Speaker 1: So when we when we wrap, you're gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: make another one. But take me back to this story.
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  Speaker 1: It's so delicious, isn't that crazy? Girl? Would you do this?
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  Speaker 1: Now that you know? Would you ever do this? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make some more. I'm so glad we got
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  Speaker 1: the value box. This is a good combo. They need
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  Speaker 1: to do a cheesy grists of Jolopeno and cashoes bro.
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  Speaker 1: That is delicious.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I think this brand that you've gotten,
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  Speaker 2: I think they do have a Valopeno cheddar. Oh they do,
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  Speaker 2: but again I think it's better with the fresh in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because it's the texture and the crunch that you get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember I tried to do the juice and then
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  Speaker 1: I tried it with the bite of the kilapeno. This
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  Speaker 1: is by far one of definitely gonna be one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorites. I definitely think I will do this again.
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  Speaker 1: We will wrap and then we will make some more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, so you are definitely into one of the
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  Speaker 1: top dishes for the season. That's great, great, and I've
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  Speaker 1: been very reluctant to give that title, but it is
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  Speaker 1: a really good dish, So okay, I receive it. So
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  Speaker 1: now we got to find out from being a funeral
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  Speaker 1: girl the sales rep funeral home sales rep, Community outreach
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  Speaker 1: directed commission based only job. Okay, so you work this gig,
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  Speaker 1: then what happened?
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  Speaker 2: I was there for like two months and was like no,
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  Speaker 2: but it was that relationship that was critical and helped
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  Speaker 2: to start opening new pathways for me. Knew way because
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  Speaker 2: like she was into reading thinking grow rich, like I
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: was into reading thinking gro rich. She was into and
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  Speaker 2: open to going to personal development events, which I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: gotten to that stage of my life yet where I
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  Speaker 2: was like reading materials but not taking the action to
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  Speaker 2: like move to the next step. And I remember we
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: talked about we should actually go, like we should actually
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: go to an event. And so she was very much
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: into like healthy eating and stuff like that, and she
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: suggested a David Wolf event and I was like, oh,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that would be good. I said, but what about Tony Robbins.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say I was. I was thinking of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: him when you said that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had literally watched so Oprah had a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: special where her and her producer went to a Tony
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Robbins upw which is Unleashed the Power Within, They walked
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: on Fire, they had all these breakthroughs, and watching that show,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, one day I'm going to that event,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Like one day I'm gonna do it. And so I
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: brought that up as a suggestion and so she was like, yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: She's like, find out what the next one is like,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: let's do it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I go online, I look it up. It was coming up.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was like October of that year, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: then it was in Florida. So we get the tickets.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: We go, I walked on fire?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. By the way, I've also like, I've always been
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: curious about the Tony Robbins. But those tickets aren't cheap either. No,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I've thought about doing it, and I'll be like, nah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't justify it, but but I do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: This guy has amassed such a huge following, obviously as
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: in a safe changing experience. So you walk on fire,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I walked on fire. Any blister is just curious. None,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: no burns, none, no one.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing when you start to realize how
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: powerful you really are. That the condition thing of our
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: mind because we do it on the first day, Like
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you walk on fire, yeah, I would be like, oh
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: hell yeah, so like literally that entire first day. Let
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you say you walk, you run? No, you walk at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: a steady pace.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: At a steady pace. Oh, because I'm sure afraid.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It was me. I would Okay, quick mantra that they
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: have you say and you're also being programmed with that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: mantra all throughout the day, like you were literally conditioning
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: your mind to be able to have control of your
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: body and your experience in that moment throughout that entire day,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: so that by the time you do it, the result
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: is like, well.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Most mantra that can make you walk on fire cool moss,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: cool moss.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So when you think about fire, you think hot, so
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: in your mind you automatically go to burning.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bliss like all that stuff.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So your mind is telling your body, Oh, that's what's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: supposed to happen. Oh, that's how we're supposed to react
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to that thing. So you say cool moss, your body
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: says it's cool. But at the end, you walk on
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: this fire and you don't see blisters, none, no burns,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: not even a little bit of scores.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I don't not because that's the case we all need
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to go. So wait, you walk on it, and your
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: brain can tell you this, but your physical body doesn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: experience burns and you're walking at a slow pace. Yes,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: this flame is this fire or hot coals.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So it's coals that are on like literally burning coals
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that you were walking across.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, continue with this story. Yes, and cool Moss,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I'm coming. I'm gonna test it at home. I'm gonna
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: tell my stove, cool moss, Cool Moss. I'm gonna send
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you a picture of my burnt finger. You're like, oh,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you didn't practice the whole day. Okay, So you didn't.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: You didn't end up with no burns. Okay, okay, okay,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you you got me sold. Okay.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: So and that was the thing because then it sold
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: me of what I was capable of, because I went
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: into it first as well, being like like it looked
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: cool on TV, but I don't know about this. Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And I was like, and I can always just like
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: opt out, Like at the last minute, I could just
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: be like, nah, you know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Let me see three hundred more people end up with
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: no burns and let me melt some marshmallows over it
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to see how how it really is, Like you know
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm one of know it was like
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: three hundred people and melted marshmallows. Then maybe I'll do it, right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'll try it. Let's see him do it ten times? Tony,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: did you do it ten times? Okay? All right? So
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: go on.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry, No, and the thing is like you were being primed,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: reconditioned the entire day for to build up to this moment.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Because once you do this on day one, and that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: breaks open for you, where else am I capable of?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What else can I actually do that I thought was
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: impossible because I thought that was impossible. Yeah, I just
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: proved it was possible. Yeah, So now what else can
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I do for myself?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And so that being a part of that community, coming
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to those understandings and what Tony does, like what he
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: does very well.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: He takes tools and he makes him his own.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: But one of his primary tools that he uses to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: teach and to transform people. While he's never lost to suicide,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know the person who's attempted suicide, he's NLP, which
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: is neural linguistic programming, and it is a process of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: being able to literally rewire your neural network so that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like you don't have to think about breathing, it just
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: happens automatically. You don't have to think about when you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: get close to your home, probably just go on autopilot
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: because you know the path to get home, that's a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: neural pathway that has been ingrained or grooves in your
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: brain and we have that is in terms of our
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: belief system about things as well. And this helps you
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to literally rewire that. So I believed I wasn't good enough.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I believed I wasn't smart enough. I believed, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I wasn't worthy of this level of living, and so
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: everything I did was in alignment with that, because that's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: what I believe. That's where my neural pathway was. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: now I can rewire it. Yeah I am worthy. Yeah
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I can have that. Yeah I'm supposed to have that,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and then it rewires to that, and then your life's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: condition starts to unveil that new reality. And so that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: opened this space for me, and so I went into
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a deep dive into personal development. But here's the thing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Once you start going in and pulling through these layers,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: all the dark stuff starts to come up too, Like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: all the stuff to be dealt with has to be
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: dealt with. And so my traumas of being sexually molested
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: when I was, you know, in my youth, and having
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: literally lock that into myself where I was gonna take
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that to my grave, I would have never told anybody,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: never addressed it with my family.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It was my brother, so like, yeah, that was like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a Noah, and who's gonna believe me anyway? And oh
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you had that feeling too, Oh my god.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed I believed that I say something and then
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, no, it didn't like what are
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you talking about. I had a belief system that my
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: because I was close to my dad and my mom
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: was like really close to my brother, and I felt
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: like she loved.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Him more even though it wasn't true.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: But like I just like felt that because they're because
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of their closeness, and so I'm like, well, even if
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: they do believe me, she'll still side with him because
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like that's her favorite.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Or if it's cause a family split, right right? Or
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: am I going to break the family again?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And how young are you when you're thinking all these thoughts? Well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I guess all the way to Oh my god, like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: my entire life, like from the time that it happened.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Like all my entire life, Like it was just kind
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: of like I just lock that away within myself because
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it was just like, no, like I'll just carry this
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and through doing the work of like healing. It was like, no,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I have this this frog stuck in my throat of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this thing that I'm supposed to release that is literally
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: holding me back from being who I'm supposed to be
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and from speaking my truth in the world. Because I'm like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: if there's a saying this is how you do anything,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it's how you do everything.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: So if I'm holding back.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Man, that was deep how you do anything, it's how
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you do everything. So I'm over here with words ever spoken.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to learn that I'm not forty though, but yeah, yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, I'm holding back over in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: this area of my life and suppressing my truth. Guess what,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I'm also holding back and playing small in my career.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I'm also holding back and playing small in my relationships.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm also holding back and playing small and all these
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: other things because how you do anything is how you
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: do everything.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, lesson number one? Okay, I have a lat okay,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: drop that gem Okay okay. And So in this process
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of starting.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: To get into these deep, dark layers of myself and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: start to feel the the permission to speak my truth,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to heal and not carry something that is not mine
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to carry, and to be okay with whatever the outcome
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: is of me sharing this information, I was finally able
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to get to a point where I was able to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: break my silence. But I went through very dark times
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: getting to that place in between the Tony Robins and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: yeah it was at so UPW was my first Tony
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Robbins event. Then I went to Date with Destiny, so
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and Date with Destiny makes UPW look like kindergarten like
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Is all I feel like we're promoting. Tony Robins. Shout
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: out to him, hope you do the show by right,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: come on a lot of testimony, A lot of people
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: look at you all right now. Absolutely, because here's the thing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: There's so many tools to healing, there's so many pathways.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: He was a big part of that first part of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: my journey. And then I've gone on to other teachers
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and modalities from plant medicines to other things, because I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: really thought that personal development, growth enlightenment. I can just
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: take like this magic pill. If I just learned this
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: like one thing, if I into this one event and
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I did it well, I graduated, I was done.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Like I'm healed, like I'm good child.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It's layers.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's so many layers because we have unlimited potential and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: we have unlimited depth to us. So even as you
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: were healing and going up in this they call spiral dynamics.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: There's still more to on earth. There's still more late
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: now you may not deal with the situation the same
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: way anymore. Maybe you are an abusive relationship and then
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and then you finally took your power back, so now
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you're not in abusive relationships anymore, or you're able to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: say no, that don't work for me. I have boundaries,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But then you'll be tested on something else because there'll
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: be another layer to that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: How does so you're going through this personal development journey?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: How are you financing your life? How are you even
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: financing these because these clinics aren't.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And because as I went on this like deep dive,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I ended up joining Tony's like Platinum Partnership, which is
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a very hefty price. You probably end up spending around
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred K by the time you're done for that
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: like years you spent that. I ended up spending probably
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like fifty because it's like you get private events. So
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: there's a small number of people that travel around the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: world with Tony and we go to like private events,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and then you get access to all of the regular
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: public events as well, and so I did all of
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the public ones. I did only a few of the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: private ones because like, money started running.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, how are you financing all?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: So it was through my severance from leaving the.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: L and the money from the funeral couple spent all
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that money.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That money was going.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have convinced me to spend my last
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: fifty on Tony. I'm sorry, Tony, you know Tony and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the Girls. But hey, you led to three times best
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: selling author actress executive producers, So obviously this was a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: pibroll milestone. What was the next pibroll milestone to get
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you closer to that? That?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: What was the was what was the order of executive
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: producer actress? Because it sounds like you were doing acting
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: when you're doing the home shopping right, yes? Or is
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that like your early early early acting.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I've done.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Like I've been to like NCIS, New Orleans, like a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: few HBO shows. So I did acting before before? What
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: got you to the acting milestone? So I my degree,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So I went to school for Dramatic Arts communication, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: then I also got a minor in psychology So I
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: started college when I was sixteen, and I wanted to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: go to UCLA, but my parents like, yo, young naive self, No, ma'am,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: You're not about to go out to California by yourself
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: at sixteen.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with them. Okay, So you were. You
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: were a very good student.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in two I think I was more so determined,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Like I knew my real life was on the other
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: side of school. So I'm like, how could I get
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: through this process as fast as possible? And so in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: high school because I was in the honors classes and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and then I realized I only needed
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like so many more credits to be able to literally
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: skip a grade. And I was like, bet I went
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to summer school, took like gyms, I went and got
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I never I still don't even necessarily drive to this day,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Like I never was interested in driving.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I notice you said you were going to get
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I love you, Like this is like literally from you.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And the only reason why I went and got my
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: driver's license and took the driver's tess is because you
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: got school credit for it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, God, got it. So you
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you you scaled through school, you graduated sixteen. Then you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: go to college.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I go to University of New Orleans because it was
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: like pick something local.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I go to U n O.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: And then I did the same thing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I went to the guidance counselor or whatever.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: The administrative thing.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Wasn't found out how many class stocking tests out of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Like how could I get through this even faster? And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I ended up graduating college by nineteen.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I did see that on your bio.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, how do I get to the other
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: side of this process? Because my real life is over there.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I just kept it envisioning, like I gotta do this, Like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But yeh right. So then after you graduate college, your
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: next step is Hewlett Packard.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: My next step.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So my last semester in college, I have an internship
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: at Fox eight. So Fox eight out of New Orleans,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I get hired on. After I graduate, I worked as
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: a production assistant and then went into field producing. So
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I worked for Fox in news for two years and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: every day a raper, murder of fire, raper murder of fire.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, this isn't First of all, I was
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: getting numb to those topics, and I was like, this
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: is not how I want to feel about this, so
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is the part of the TV
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: world that I want to be in. So I leave
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: from there, I start working at just independent production companies,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: just working on just independent projects, and then I got
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: scooped up by Heltt Packard and they were like, oh okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: inst and then I just I scaled up into management
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and the district management. And so I was with HP
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: for probably nearly a decade.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And even in that time, I was still acting,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and I even had a television show that I was
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a part of the cast of a reality show that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I was like shooting simultaneously with working as well. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I've always been one to have like multiple things going
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: on where possible. So then after leaving Heallett Packard, we
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: do the little stints.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: We go from death to.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Life and in that journey of going through personal development
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and yeah, shelling out a lot of cash for these
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: tools for this access and then the bank account starts
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: going down, down, down, down, down down down.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Reality calls.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: It calls big time, and it was like, wow, Okay,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I'm getting these things that I need.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: But then on this other side, I'm going into a hole.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yea, in this hole and I'm like, how do I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: how do I now get out of this hole? Because
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: this planting that I'm doing, or really reading that I'm
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: doing and replanting that takes time, Like I'm not just
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: fixed overnight and then able to like step into my
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: power and step into my new life and figure out.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, I need money, Yeah, you need money,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So what's the next place.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So in that time I also ended up writing a book,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So writing my first book called how to Become a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Publicity Magnet in Any Market via TV Ratio in print
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: because everybody from my background and television, my background in
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: corporate at that time, people would always ask me, well,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: how do I get my product or business or service
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: like on these very powerful platforms, And so I was
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: like I keep answering these questions over and over again
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to people because there must be a better way.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, So literally wrote that book and then that was
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: my first kind of step into entrepreneurship because yeah, you
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: write a book, but it's more than just writing a book.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get it picked up? How do
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you get it published? All that? So what did you do?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And so I worked with a managing editor, so through
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the publishing company that I worked with and so they
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: published the book.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: But how did you get the publishing?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I found through the Tony Robbins world, So through my
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: connections that I had built in relationships that I had
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: built in that world. Wow.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the key thing too.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: You are the some of the people you surround yourself with,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Like proximity is power, and so yeah, I didn't have
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the money to be able to pay for a lot
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of the services or things that I need, but I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: had relationships with people who were able to help me
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: along that process and then able to get a deal
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: for the publishing of the book, and then all of
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that stuff was taken care of of, like getting it
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: out there into the world, like we ended up getting
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: it to a number one bestseller. But it's like all
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that in between time there's no income coming in, Like
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: there's nothing as you're building something. Yeah, and so you
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: have to like we're interdependent. Like I tried so hard,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: and I guess I think that was probably a trauma response,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Like I always wanted to do everything myself. I wanted
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to like just be misindependent and I don't want to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: have to rely on you, because if I have to
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: rely on you, that means I have to trust you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And if I have to trust you, then it means
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that you could potentially pull the rug from underneath me.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And so I never thought of independence as a trauma response,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: but when you break it down, I'm like, that is
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just yeah, that makes sense though
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: when you say it like that, Okay, learn more. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: independence can be considered a trauma respond be depending on
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: what the intention of it is.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Because if the intention of it is to protect myself
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and to shield myself from ever being hurt, from ever
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: being having to rely on somebody else where's that really
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: coming from.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I never thought of independence as a trauma response, but
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: as an independent woman, boy, I'm very concerned about myself
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: now and it's beautiful.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: When you look at independent people, you'd be like, yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you pay all your own bills. You be lying nobody.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Oh man, you've been through a lot, but think about it,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: but that's fun. You can still be independent.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Would have an interdependent mindset that you know that no,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I work in community with other people to be able
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: to do the things that I do. I can trust
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and rely on because one I've come to trust myself.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So when I get that intuitive hit that you will know.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: You'll know if I get that intuitive hit that you
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: are a person that I shall say yes and move
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: forward with great I will trust that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So if if and this is going off to the side,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: but I have to ask, so if you have an
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: independent person, you think that's a trauma response. What happens
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to a person that's overly dependent? Is that coming from
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a uma tip? Okay, mid lane, you got that middle
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: lane again, It's about an overly dependent person come from
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a trauma response. You know what I to talk about
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: just one of those people that just skate through life
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and everybody just somehow just falls in placement. It never
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the responsible is that can that when they end up response? Yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like you know like just oh life was handed, Oh
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: life just had oh someone just could oh like could
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that be considered trauma or could that be like man,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: they had so much people that they could depend on
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: around them that they just never became independent. This is
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like a real question because I've seen I've seen it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: dependent on my mind.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Who literally and he considers himself having a life of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: riley and so and that's a term, the life of riley,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: meaning that things just show up for you. So you've
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: never had to like literally take responsibility because life can
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: get the life handing you like opportunity, opportunity, resource after resource,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Like you don't even know how to like do life
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: on your own.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so life of Riley? Is that an effect of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: any type of trauma? Or is that just like, hey,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: someone was born on out the woman Cuba, just that, hey,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: life of Riley on you. I've seen some people you like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, can't God just shake one branch that you please?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You're not trying to be a hater, but so that's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: not trauma or is that a trauma response if you're
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: or is that just life of Riley.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: We all come here for our own lessons to learn,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and we have all had some type of trauma in
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: our lives. I mean, even the birth process is traumatic.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: You coming through a very tight space into life and
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: coming into a bright light being smacked you know, on
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the behind, Like that's traumatic.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: But you also don't really remember it either. So hmmm,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know one person I was like, I remember
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the day I was born, coming down that into her
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: vagint No, I remember when she was breathing up. No,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: don't nobody on earth knock all Wood if you if
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you know anybody that remembers their birth story when I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: definitely don't believe it. I don't know there's a reason
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: why you don't remember it, so you can't be considered trauma.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it can be considered trauma like
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a birth experience, you just don't remember it as nose well,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: psychological things that happened in our early childhood.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: You may not consciously remember it, but your unconscious mind
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: holds everything.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Like it's old, with exception to the birth. Let's just
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: let's just because people have been born in toilets and bathrooms, like, no,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: they're not waking up like I remember that time and she,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you know, had me in a toilet. You know what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So I just say the birth traumas
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: don't count for anyone that's like, well, I have that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: one time when my mom gave birth. Back to your story,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: so you're you're on this journey. You you you reach
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: out to an old partner from Tony Robbins or friend
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: or so affiliate from Tony Robbins, and you get a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: publishing deal.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, so my first book gets published. It does very well.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It opens up the space for me to start speaking.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So I started speaking at like conferences events, and then
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that like kind of opens something for me because I'm like, wait,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I do have a voice. I am supposed to be
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: like sharing messages that matter to people around the world.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: And so that opened because I really I consider myself like, yes,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I have these titles like executive, producer, actress, author, I
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: consider myself a highly effective communicator.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: So now that you find out your great speaker and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you're doing these speaking speaking gigs, your book is top selling,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: what's the next play after that?
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: It's to continue to grow.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, You've tapped into something, and now how
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: do we go deeper with it? How do we continue
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: not only the healing journey, but your expansion journey of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: using your gifts and using your voice. And I've always
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: been a real big proponent of like Napoleon Hill, like
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: thinking Girl Rich has been a guide post in my
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: life and utilizing the six Steps to Riches that are
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: in that book, utilizing those principles of success and helping
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: to just reformulate how I see the world and how
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I operate in the world. And I decided like, Okay,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: how can I take these principles and go even deeper
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: with them, so I decided to do so. The Napoleon
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Hill Foundation offers a certification program that allows you to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: become a Napoleon Hill.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Do you have to pay into it too? Oh my gosh, Okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Everything takes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And well because the training is it takes about three
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: years to go through the training program and there was.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: No expedated way. I'm sure if there was, you would
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: have skipped it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Girl.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So you did the three years.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: So it really is a lifelong thing. But no, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: don't even think it took me three years. It didn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: take a full three years because I did find ways
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to like just hammer out and get through each of
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the steps. So there's a home study program that you do,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there isn't in person, you know, leadership course that you do,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and then you do a certa service project so your
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: way of being able to give back through those principles.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And while we were at the leadership certification in person,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: we were in Frenchley, Indiana, which is the home of
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Napoleon Hill, and our entire class was given the assignment
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to write a one page children's story based upon one
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: of the principles that was assigned. So we all got
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: a little slip of paper with just a number on it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So mine had the number ten. I was like ten.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Perfect, that's enthusiasm. I was like, that's my favorite principle.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I was like Bet.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And so we had to pick a writing partner, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: so I scanned the room and the lady who I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: had rode in on the shuttle from the airport with
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: you know, she was available, Diane, and so I was
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like cool, like Dian. So we had an hour during
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: our lunch break. We go up to my room and
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: so we're thinking, okay, well, what kind of story can
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: we write about enthusiasm? And then this story just starts
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: coming out, and it starts coming out in this rhymed pattern.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: So it was like okay, at right, and I was
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like Bet, like, let's let's go with it. So we
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: write this story and it was called the Town of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Lost and Found. We come back to the class and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: like all the groups start going up presenting their story,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: we get up. We present our story and the reaction
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: in the room was overwhelming, and we both looked at
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: each other and we was like, I think we got
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: something here. We go sit down. Other groups get up
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and another group gets up and they do a story
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: on enthusiasm, and I was like, that was a different story.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, there was only one principle as signed
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: for groups of how is that impossible? And so I
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: go back. I went into my little notebook. I pulled
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: out the little ten. I go look down the list
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of principles. Ten is not enthusiasm. No, ten is accurate.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: But I knew in that moment that God the universe
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: put a blinder over my eyes to see what I
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: needed to see in that moment.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Got it because after the class was over, the executive
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: director of the Napoleon Hill Foundation and her assistant came
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: over to us and was like, we loved what you
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: all did with that story. And they were like, we
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: don't know where this would go or what would happen,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: but we would love for you to do that for
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: all seventeen of the principles.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Wow. And so we were like, yes, I had always talk.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Did you say yes how much or no, I get
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: my red my money back? You didn't say that. I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: was just so honored.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And also because it was a dream come true and
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: why I had I used to say this all the time.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: We should talk about the power of your words. I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: used to always tell people. I was like, I am
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: the love child of Oprah Winfrey and Napoleon Hill. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: was like, that's my real mom and dad.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I hope your parents don't listen to this,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: but wait backcheck.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So you end up publishing which I bought the book.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: The name of the book called The Amazing Advantes of
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Oliver Hill.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Oliver I just bought that book for my daughter is
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty amazing books. Book I did call you. This
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: is what actually, you know, got us to talking was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: this particular book. And the first thing I asked you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: was like, well, before we get into what I asked you,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: let's go back to the money stance, because we got
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to talk it. So you you, you and Diane, you
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: write this book. You write it book, you give it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to Napoleon Hills.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Still and I still know how much foundations And we
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: ended up giving it to them and giving the rights
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: of the book over to them so that all the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: proceeds that come from the cell of that book go
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: back to the Napoleon Hill Foundation, and that became our
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: service project to them. There's more power in giving than receiving.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I knew that this was a legacy.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: What does Napoleon Hill's Foundation do again?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Key?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So they that book was very impressive. That book was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: very good. And then I told you the only and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: now I guess I'll say it, especially after knowing that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: you gave away the rights. She didn't just give it
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: to them, she gave away all the rights. Okay, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: have like, okay, that book selld how many a lot?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're still comfortable with giving okay because
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: picture there is a bigger picture. So I did get
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the book and the only thing that deterred me. And
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not really a race I don't know if I'm
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: not really a race person, but uh, but I guess
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: for the sake of this, I'm gonna say I am.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: It was a very impactful book when you think of
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: think and grow rich. I like to assume that all
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: black people have read this book. But I actually had
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a conversation with a friend the other day and he said,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: not all black read. Black people read that book. It
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was like the book the people that are you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that are driven to read or whatever you have read
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that book. Don't don't blanket it, but that book is
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a powerful book. I know it was a powerful book
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: in my life. The question I have is, now you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: have this book and it definitely translates very well. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: read my daughter's books, and I am one of those
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: people that will buy books and go I can't believe
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I bought this book, like either the either it's too
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: wordy or the pictures aren't right, or then you have
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: not enough words and you know so. And definitely, when
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it comes to children's book, a book snob like as
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and it's weird. It's only with children's books. It's like
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: she has shoves at home, and I will order these
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: books and buy it off the title. Now I like
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to skim them and see, like what the pictures are.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Knowing that you had was the author one made me
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: buy it. But the first thing I asked you was like,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand how a book of this much
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: powered impact had It looked like there was a bunch
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of white kids on the cover, and I felt like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you know, a little black and brown kids. You know
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you want to read them a book and as I
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: get older, that reflects them. So you know, that was
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the first question I asked you. And you could go
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: ahead and share your response because just in case anyone
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: else wants to buy the book for their kids, they
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: not absolutely shocked, but go ahead.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: And so in the process of writing, we were sending
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the stories over to the Foundation, and then they hired
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the illustrator to you know, illustrate it, which happened to
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: be a Korean, you know, young lady out of Korea
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: who literally only spoke Korean, so everything had to be
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: translated into Korean for her. And I had written out
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: very specific instructions on like the diversity I wanted to
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: see in this in this book, and when we got
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: back the first sets of illustrations, they were literally absolutely
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: no kids of color, and I was like, no.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You had already signed the rights over before the project
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: or just trying to get it, just trying to get
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it right. Okay, Okay. The name of the book is
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: The Adventures of the Amazing Adventures of Oliver Hill. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: if you have young kids, definitely check out the book.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: You know, sorry to harp on this one part, because
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: this is what caught my attention with you, you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and it caught my attention as well, and so I
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: was like I reached back out to the Foundation.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I was like cause they were so excited. They were like,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: these illustrations are so beautiful, and so it's interesting how
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: certain lenses like don't even see like the divide, don't
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: even see that. Wait, there's an issue here because we're
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: lacking some diversity. And so I brought that to their
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: attention and I was ready to if they weren't going
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: to do anything about it, to walk away, and so
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I reached out. I brought my concerns and I'm like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I cannot be an author of color and they're not
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: be not one person of color now, one little black girl,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: not one in this entire book, of all these characters
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: that we've created.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is not okay. And the executive
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: director she agreed with me.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: She was like no, like and we didn't even like
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: it wasn't yeah, it was like literally an oversight. We
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: just saw like these beautiful illustrations, was like, wow, this
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: is amazing. And so they sent back instruction to the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: illustrator and then Julia, she is the character that they
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: you know, re had redone and made a character of color.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: And I still was like I wanted more and I
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: felt like it deserved to have more. And even in
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: that point or stage of my life. And again, the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: how you do anything is how you do everything. Like
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I settled, and I still had not gotten to my
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: full power yet in owning my voice yet, but I
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was grateful to have had enough healing at least stand.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Up the transparency in that hole. What you just said
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: is crazy, Like that's appreciated because I don't think we openly,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: even as successful as we are acknowledged, Like maybe at
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: this point, maybe I did settle or what have you.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie if the roles, if I was
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: in your shoes, I definitely would have done exactly what
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you said. Probably I don't know about the giving up
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the rights or anything. I don't know. I don't know
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: if I'm that much of a gift giver because the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: book was really good, is really good, I did skim through.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, right now, my daughter's into
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: The Monster Book right now, which is the most annoying
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: book in my life, but trying to get her to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: sit down and read it. But I did, of course
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: read it as an adult, and I was like, this
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: is a great book. I definitely want to get it
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: from my friend's kids. And I'm glad that like you
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: even like once you said that to me over the phone.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you know what you think
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: about coming on eating while broke, But no, I'm glad
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: hear that story. So so just to be clear, Napoleon Hill's Foundation, yes,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: not trying to get into it. So they got all
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the proceeds. Diane didn't get anything. Nobody got you guys,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: just okay, what does the Napoleon Hill do Foundation do for?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: For? Where does that money go? So the Napoleon Hill
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Foundation is all about perpetuating and continuing to put Napoleon
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Hill's principles out into the world. So they do a
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: lot of programs in the community. So this book went
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: into schools. It became part of the Napoleon Hill scholars
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: program and universities where they would use that book and
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: then go into schools with it. They use it like
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: in library programs, and so it's used in some very
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: like charitable and giving ways. Yes, they make proceeds, you know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: when the book sells online or through their website or
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: at events and things of that nature, but all of
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: that too goes back into programming that they do for
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the community.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Alone. Foundation that the habit of malone foundation is what
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is impacting are you today?
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And you know what, even that whole experience, I just
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: hope that even with that whole experience, maybe there could
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: be just a have a habl of malone black version
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: or minority version.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Oh you let me tell you, let me do you know?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Because what that sparked in me? Because here's the thing.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Life happens for us, not to us. I feel like
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: even that experience, it fulfilled a part of a dream
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: of being a part of a legacy in Napoleon that
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: has impacted my life, and now I get to be
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a part of that legacy to help the next generation.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It also sparked within me a seed of you. You've
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: been able to do this for them. It's time for
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you to do it because you have the skill set,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: you have the knowledge, You have things to share and
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: stories to share that can be put into a form
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: for children to be able to ingest. And you can.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: But I wasn't ready at that time, but I can
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: with the view to diversity that I have in mind,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: with the view to inclusivity that I want to see
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in the world in books and making sure that children
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: feel like, wow, this is for me I can create
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to it and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I definitely, you know, would like to see the proceeds
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: go to right. You know, I think what you did
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: was great. I mean knowledge is knowledge. I mean when
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Think and Grow Rich came out, I don't think anybody
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was looking at the race of Napoleon Hell at the time, right,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: or rich Dad, Poor Dad? Nobody.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: There's so many other versions of that book that have
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: come out since. Thinking We're Rich Ad Black Choice by
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Dennis kimbro He partnered with the foundation thinking did he
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: get to.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Keep Well, when you say partner with the foundation, do
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you know if he got to keep.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Any of his?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Don't?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know what their deals are? Like investigator, how
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: many how many people from Napoleon Hill Graduation just turned
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: around and gave back all their rights. I'm going to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: open up full.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: On investigation now, because like Sharon lecter So, she did
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Thinking Girl Rich for Women, she also did Three Feet
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: from Gold, which is through the Napoleon Hill Foundation.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I doubt, I doubt she gave up all of her
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: She's not black though. What about the Thinking gro richni
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: is kim Broke?
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Probably not?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: And there's Thinking gir richal Latino choice, there's thinking like
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: there's so many now versions of thinking Girl Rich that
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: have been updated to have examples of people like of
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: our generation of time, and that are geared towards specific,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: diverse audiences that will speak in terms that resonate with them.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Because I always suggest to people the original one first
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: and then read one of the course alternative versions, because
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: it'll give you the foundation of like where it was
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: based from. Because Napoleon Hill he went and interviewed over
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: five hundred of the most successful people of his time,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: from Thomas Edison to Henry Ford to President Woodrow Wilson
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and President Roosevelt to find out Andrew Carnegie to find
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: out what they did different from everybody else that made
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: them successful and was able to boil that down to
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: seventeen principles that if you apply those principles, you will
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: be successful.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Period. So and just a side note, since we're talking
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: about books, you do a book. I don't know if
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you've ever read it, but it's one of my favorite books.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of my favorites that are like my
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: go to. But have you read Outwitting the Double Heck, yes,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know that is from Napoleon Hill, right, that
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: book was a phenomenal. I think people don't talk about
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that book enough.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: That conversation that he had, I thought that was so brilliant.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: He so his family.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I space that was from Napoleon. Yeah, okay,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I guess the Napoleon and Hell Foundation ain't that bad? Right? Well,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you get unlimited membership to like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: get more classes for free? Oh I'm a part of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: the okay family, so you get free no more pain? No?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Okay cool? Do you get a friends of family? Uh?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: And for free?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Well if they don't do like the events that the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: foundation does are more like fundraiser events anyways, So it's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: not but for the schooling.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, the certification program, it's not a lot.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Like the certification program is like really inexpensive, like what
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: probably less than a thousand dollars.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, so okay, okay, so you go
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: on after this. I just want to know that you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: get a friends and family, you know, like I have
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: girlfriends that could be their friends and family. Uh, Marriott
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: discounts and like it. You know, I just want to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: know if you get a friends of family because you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: because I know that book sold a lot. That book
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: sold a lot and it had a huge has a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: huge impact. So after this book goes on to be
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a best seller, you say, well, heck man, I got
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: to put out on another book, right.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: And I didn't put out another book. It's interesting about me.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I do what I feel called at a time that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I feel called to it. And so when I feel
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: called to share a message or to do a specific
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: thing or create a certain thing, then that's when I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: do it. Even if it's like no, now the top
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: you got to like create this and do that. Unless
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: it's an internal calling, it ain't happening. Spoken like a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: true entrepreneur. So how are you surviving this whole time
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: while you're you know, you giving away money. I love
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it because I was still doing exact speaking engagements. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: my first book was still selling. I was still speaking
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: on that, on those topics, and now it also opened
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: up speaking engagements for those principles of success and like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: speaking on thinking grown, yeah, thinking you're rich topics, so
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: to corporations and to schools and things of that nature.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So I get paid, you know, to go out and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: do those things. I wasn't making money from the book. Yeah,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: those posts were going to the foundation. There was fruits
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: to the book, yes, okay. And that's the thing that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: people don't realize. It's like, even for the most part,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: your money isn't going to really be made from the product.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: It's from all the ancillary things around the product.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: It's so funny because this conversation comes up a lot lately,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: but eating while broke but ancillary. So you made money
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: off the ancillaries in addition to the book, and you're
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: skating through life. What's your next BIG's play? Like are
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you starting to just act more? Or can you take
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: me there? Yeah?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: And so it was interesting. So I'm doing a lot
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: of speeches. Goal Cast, which is an online motivational platform.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: They do these like how do you say, like condensed
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: motivational videos and you have people like Tony Robbins, Oprah
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Winfrey like and they're viral videos that they create. And
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: so they picked up one of my speeches and then
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: did a gold Cast video, so it almost becomes like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: a little Ted talk and that thing. It went viral
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: and it was about following your childhood dreams, and so
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: many people started reaching out like wow, this really motivated
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: me to like go after like I always wanted to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: be a nurse, and like I finally just went ahead
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, I'm going to nursing school now,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: or like all these things, and I'm just like something
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: clicked inside of me. And I was like, you're out
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: here sharing all these principles telling people to go after
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: their dreams, do these things. But there's a dream that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: you have that you still haven't fully pursued yet. How
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: are you gonna sit there and tell if people do
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: something that you still need to do? And I was like, ooh,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: so I told you. I started college when I was sixteen.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: My first career path, or the first path I was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: going to go down, was to become a lawyer. So
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: when I was in high school, I was a part
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: of a junior league program where we used to try
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: real cases in court, and so the defendants were already
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: found guilty of their crimes, but we just already sentencing
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: in front of the judge. And I loved it. So
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: I was going to become a lawyer. And then right
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: when I was having to make my decision of you
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: know what I was going to study in school, I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: was like I can go to law school become a lawyer,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: or I could just play one on TV. I was like,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: it's probably way more fun. So I went the dramatic
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: arts communication to the entertainment route. So I'm like, yes,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: you have done all these other things on television, play cops,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: like all this stuff, but you have never played a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: lawyer on television and you literally changed the trajectory of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: your life to fulfill this dream that you've not done.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, it's time. It's time for
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: me to practice when I am preaching. I literally made
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: a decision that day and I was like, I'm moving
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: to California to more fully pursue my acting career and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to play a lawyer on television.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: I took Napoleon Hills, Think and Grow rich in those
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: six Steps to Richest formula, and I created a plan
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: for myself. I reached out to an acting coach that
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I had out here, like from years ago, and I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: was like, when is your next intensive or your next
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: course starting up? Like when is that happening? She told
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: me it was going to be June twenty ninth. This
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: was of twenty nineteen. I said, Bet I'll be there
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: by June twenty six. This was fifty one days between
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: the day I called her and then June twenty six.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: So I took that formula. I created my plan. June
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: twenty six, I moved out to California and I literally
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: like hit the ground running. Within two years of being here.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I booked a role as a lawyer on HBOS and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Secure and it was just like and I've done like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: a lot, like in the commercial world. I mean, I've
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: had like four Super Bowl commercials constant, even during the pandemic.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Like I felt like super blessed because I was still
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: able to because I had production background, because a lot
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: of the commercials you saw during that time were like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: zoom commercials or like cell phone you know type of things.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Because content still had to be created even though we
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: couldn't get together to do it.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I thrived in that time.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Not only did I I stayed booked and busy, I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: also was able to take a three month cross country
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: road trip because I was like, I have to keep
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: looking at these four walls.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I could look at any four walls I want to.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: And I literally traveled across the country still working and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: had the most tremendous experience, and the career has only
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: continued to just like escalate and escalate, and more and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: more things came and I got to the point I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: was like, I really only have three more specific acting goals,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: So then what is next? What's the next iteration? And
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: it's like to be able to be in a position
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: to create opportunities, to be able to tell the stories
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I want to tell and open the doors for other
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: people to do what they do very well. Like I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: come from a management background, I come from a business background,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: so I'm just like, executive producing is very much the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: business of it all, and so it just it felt
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: like the right step and the move to move forward
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: in this industry. So I was like, outside of those
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: like three specific acting goals, I'm just like, it's time
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: for me to help more stories get told. And so
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: that's what I've gotten the opportunity to do. Like we're
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: actually in pre production right now on a film and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I'm executive producing and in the casting process.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Of because good lord, that is a whole nother.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And like I've you know, helped her to invest money
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: in other projects, and I'm just like, there's nothing that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: you cannot accomplish if you set your mind to it.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I've also published another book. So during the pandemic, I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: finally because the universe was like, oh, you're saying you're
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: so busy that you can't write this book that you've
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: been knowing you're supposed to write and this message you're
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: supposed to share. So now let me put the universe
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: on pause so that you have nothing but time to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: sit here and write this book. And so that was
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: the one that came out in twenty twenty twenty one,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: which was Rewriting a New History, a spiritual path to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: audacious authenticity and healing, which goes into because there's many
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: forms and modalities for healing, but this one goes very
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: deeply into ayahuasca. And so I'm just I'm just super grateful,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: like just for this life and how it continues to
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: unfold and all that I get to keep learning because
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I'm still learning, I'm still growing.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're definitely one that's hungry to learn and grow.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I'd say that you definitely put a lot of focus
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: on that, and I can appreciate that, even though I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: do focus a lot more on money, but yeah, I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: can appreciate that there was that's a lot. So what
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: advice would you give to anyone coming up behind you,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: whether they're pursuing acting, publishing, for any any dream. And
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: can you just quickly before you get out, just name
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the six principles. Oh six stepsis, Yeah, just name them.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: You don't have to explain them.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: So it's to determine the amount of money that you want,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: like the specific amount of money that you want. Determine
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the date by which you want to attain that money.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: The third step is to determine what you're willing to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: get give in order to receive that money. Then you
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: write out a written statement of your plan to attain
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: the money. And then the fifth one is that all
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: morning and night you will recite that out loud with feeling,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: with belief that that is already attained.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I'm missing a step. You create the goal you Oh,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: you write it. Yeah, you get to write it down.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you create the money goal that you want.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: To say the sixth steps.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: You will determine the amount of money that you want,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: specific a specific dollar amount. You will determine the date
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: by which you want that amount of money. Then you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: will write that down into a written statement. You will
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: determine what you will give in order to receive that money,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and then you will take that written statement and you
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: will say that out loud with feeling and belief in
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the morning, when you wake up, and before you go
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: to bed at night. And that is to be able
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: to solidify that within yourself and draw that to yourself
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: and allow that to flow through.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I like that. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the that's right. There is the advice to be honest. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta determine what you want.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta determine. I think I seen Oprah say that
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  Speaker 1: on some clip, saying, like a lot of people just
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  Speaker 1: don't know what they want. And you know what, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: when I'm very frustrated or I don't know what to do,
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  Speaker 1: my friends will say, you know what, it sounds to
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  Speaker 1: me like you don't know what you want, So why
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  Speaker 1: don't you figure it out what it is you want?
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  Speaker 1: Have that conversation with yourself, give us the answer. We're
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  Speaker 1: not going to judge you, and we could proceed. But
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  Speaker 1: until you know what you want then then yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: and in that I was like, oh, okay, well that's
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  Speaker 1: a good question. And now now I say it, what
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  Speaker 1: do you want. Oh, I know what I want, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that by me knowing what I want, I
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  Speaker 1: also indirectly know what I don't want.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. When you ask people, for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, what do you want, they will immediately go
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  Speaker 2: to what they don't want because it's easier for their
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  Speaker 2: mind to grasp or to articulate or I don't want
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  Speaker 2: it to be like this, and I don't want that,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want it to be like this. But then,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what you're giving energy to, that's what you're
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  Speaker 2: giving focus to, that's what you're literally drawing in. You
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  Speaker 2: are magnetizing the thing that you don't want because that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're focused on. If you could literally let that
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  Speaker 2: go and solely focus on what you want, it has
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  Speaker 2: no choice but to come to you.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Uh, I agree with that. And guys,
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  Speaker 1: if you're hungry and you're broke, feel free to get
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  Speaker 1: some instant grits, some jilo penos, and some cashiers, because
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  Speaker 1: I assure you that is a fulfilling meal and we
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  Speaker 1: after we close out, me and Havala will be eating
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  Speaker 1: that for lunch. Thank y'all all for tuning in on
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  Speaker 1: another episode of Eating While Broke