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Exploring God, Soul & Reality: A. H. Almaas' Mystical Theology · Deep Transformation

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Welcome
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to
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Dialogue
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18
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in
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our
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A.
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H.
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Almaas
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Wisdom
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Series.
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In
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this
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conversation
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we
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review
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Chapter
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23
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of
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the
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Inner
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Journey
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Home,
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which
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is
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Hameed's
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attempt
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at
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mystical
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theology,
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seeing
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the
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relationship
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between
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the
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person,
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the
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world
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and
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God.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation:
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Self-Society-Spirit.
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Life-enhancing,
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paradigm-rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activists
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with
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Dr.
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation:
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Self-Society-Spirit,
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a
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podcast
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where
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we
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explore
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the
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great
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questions
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of
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life,
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of
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our
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times
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and
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of
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all
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times.
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I'm
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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our
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co
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host
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is
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John
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Dupuy.
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And
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with
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us
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today
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to
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explore
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these
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questions
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and
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others
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is
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Hameed
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Ali,
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also
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who's
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known
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by
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his
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pen
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name
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A.
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H.
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Almaas,
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the
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founder
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of
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the
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Diamond
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Approach.
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And
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we
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have
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had
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the
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privilege
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of
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exploring
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with
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Hameed
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two
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major
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themes.
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Most
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recently
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we've
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been
1:07
exploring
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the
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path
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of
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love
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centered
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around
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his
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Love
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trilogy,
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culminating
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in
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his
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book
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the
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Inner
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Beloved,
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which
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has
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just
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been
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released.
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Highly
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recommended
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and
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it
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has
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been
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an
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incredible
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gift
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to
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explore
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the
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path
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of
1:24
love
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with
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Hameed.
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And
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if
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you
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haven't
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listened
1:26
to
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the
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series,
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I
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highly
1:27
recommend
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it.
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I
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do
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not
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know
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another
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path
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anywhere
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that
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treats
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love
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with
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such
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profundity,
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so
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we've
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had
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the
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privilege
1:37
of
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doing
1:37
that
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and
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today
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we
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are
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returning
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to
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our
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Ahalmus
1:43
Wisdom
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series
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in
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which
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we
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are
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working
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our
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ways
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through
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one
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of
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Amid's
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magnum
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opus,
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the
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Inner
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Journey
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Home
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Soul's
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realization
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of
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the
1:54
unity
1:55
of
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reality.
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And
1:57
since
1:57
we're
1:57
coming
1:58
back
1:58
to
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this,
1:58
it
1:59
feels
1:59
like
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it
1:59
would
1:59
be
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really
2:00
valuable
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to
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give
2:01
an
2:02
overview
2:02
of
2:02
where
2:02
we've
2:03
gone
2:03
in
2:03
our
2:03
exploration
2:04
of
2:04
this
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magnificent
2:05
book.
2:06
Hameed
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has
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just
2:07
laid
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out
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the
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path
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of
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realization
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with
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a
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sophistication
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and
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profundity
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and
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an
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integration
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of
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contemporary
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psychology
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with
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contemplative
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wisdom
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that
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is
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truly
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unique.
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I
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know
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of
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nothing
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else
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that
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kind
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of
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matches
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the
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scope
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of
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this
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vision
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and
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its
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integration
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with
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contemporary
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understandings.
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So
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up
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to
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now,
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Hameed
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began
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the
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book
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with
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an
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exploration
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of
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the
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nature
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of
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the
2:37
soul
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and
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particularly
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of
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the
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ego,
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as
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we
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usually
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identify
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and
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acknowledging
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that
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egoic
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identity
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is
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based
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on,
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on
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the
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past,
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on
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history,
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on
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our
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conditioning,
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defenses,
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rigidities,
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and
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the
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path
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begins
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or
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has
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as
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a
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major
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component
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healing.
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These
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Ben
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Hamed
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took
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us
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through
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what
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he
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calls
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the
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Path
3:02
of
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ascent,
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which
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is
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awakening
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to
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true
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nature
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and
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its
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several
3:09
dimensions.
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Dimensions
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such
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as
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pure
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presence,
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divine
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love,
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non
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conceptual
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awareness,
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the
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dynamic
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nature
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of
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true
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nature
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and
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the
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Absolute,
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the
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fundamental
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ground
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of
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all
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existence.
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But
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many
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paths
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stop
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there,
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but
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not
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Hameed.
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He
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continued
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in
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the
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subsequent
3:31
chapters
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of
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the
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Inner
3:33
Journey
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Home
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to
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then
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lay
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out
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in
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remarkable
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detail
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the
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path
3:38
of
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descent
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that
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is
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from
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A
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transcendent
3:43
realization
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of
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our
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identity
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as
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the
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Absolute,
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the
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infinite,
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the
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boundless,
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etc.
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Then
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the
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possibility
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of
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making
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a
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conscious
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descent
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of
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the
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Absolute,
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consciously
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descending
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through
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its
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layers
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of
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manifestation
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to
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a
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full
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embodiment,
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so
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that
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we
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become,
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or
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better
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still,
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recognize
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ourselves
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as
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the
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instruments
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of
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the
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Absolute
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by
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which
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the
4:11
Absolute
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comes
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to
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know
4:12
itself.
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And
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this
4:13
journey
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of
4:14
descent
4:14
illuminates
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the
4:15
full
4:15
relationship
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between
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the
4:17
elements
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of
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self,
4:19
soul
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and
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God,
4:20
and
4:20
being
4:20
and
4:20
world
4:21
and
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cosmos.
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And
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now
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today,
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we
4:24
begin
4:24
to
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explore.
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Well,
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it
4:27
doesn't
4:27
get
4:27
any
4:27
bigger
4:28
than
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this.
4:28
The
4:29
title
4:29
of
4:29
the
4:29
chapter
4:30
is
4:30
Reality.
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That's
4:31
what
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it
4:32
covers.
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Covers
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God,
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the
4:35
Absolute,
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all
4:37
creation,
4:38
all
4:38
manifestation.
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And
4:40
if
4:40
I've
4:40
left
4:41
anything
4:41
out,
4:41
it's
4:42
in
4:42
there.
4:42
The
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human
4:43
being.
4:43
The
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human
4:44
being.
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Oh,
4:45
yes,
4:46
me.
4:46
I've
4:47
said
4:47
a
4:47
lot.
4:47
Would
4:47
you
4:48
like
4:48
to
4:49
add
4:49
anything?
4:50
One
4:50
thing
4:50
to
4:51
say
4:51
is
4:51
that
4:52
the
4:52
Path
4:52
of
4:52
Love,
4:53
the
4:54
books
4:54
about
4:54
love,
4:55
basically
4:56
takes
4:56
a
4:56
thread
4:57
from
4:57
the
4:57
Inner
4:58
Journey
4:58
and
4:58
the
4:58
home.
4:59
You
4:59
know,
5:00
first
5:00
thread,
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the
5:01
qualities.
5:02
One
5:02
of
5:02
the
5:02
qualities
5:02
is
5:03
love.
5:03
So
5:03
we
5:04
elaborate
5:04
more
5:05
on
5:05
love.
5:06
But
5:06
then
5:06
really
5:07
we
5:07
get
5:07
to.
5:07
The
5:07
Beloved
5:08
is
5:08
really.
5:09
He's
5:09
taking
5:09
like
5:10
a
5:10
couple
5:11
paragraphs
5:11
from
5:12
that
5:12
chapter
5:12
of
5:13
the
5:13
Absolute
5:14
and
5:15
blowing
5:16
it
5:16
up
5:16
into
5:17
all
5:17
the
5:18
paths
5:18
of
5:18
realizing
5:19
the
5:19
Absolute.
5:20
At
5:20
the
5:20
end
5:20
of
5:20
the
5:20
Beloved,
5:21
which
5:22
is
5:22
the
5:22
journey,
5:22
which
5:23
is
5:23
realizing
5:24
the
5:24
Absolute
5:25
not
5:25
through
5:25
the
5:26
usual
5:26
awakening
5:27
that
5:27
most
5:27
of
5:27
you
5:27
talk
5:28
about,
5:28
but
5:28
through
5:29
the
5:29
heart,
5:31
which
5:31
we
5:31
find
5:32
the
5:32
Absolute
5:33
as
5:33
the
5:33
inner
5:33
beloved.
5:35
So
5:35
it
5:35
reveals
5:36
more
5:37
dimensionality
5:38
and
5:38
more
5:39
properties.
5:40
Absolute
5:40
in
5:41
terms
5:41
of
5:41
radiance
5:42
and
5:42
beauty
5:43
and
5:44
magnificence
5:45
and
5:46
wonder
5:47
and,
5:47
you
5:47
know,
5:48
majesty,
5:48
basically.
5:49
And
5:50
I
5:50
want
5:50
to
5:50
emphasize
5:51
what
5:51
you
5:52
just
5:52
said,
5:52
that
5:53
on
5:53
this
5:53
800
5:54
page
5:54
book,
5:55
the
5:55
inner
5:55
Journey
5:56
Home,
5:56
you
5:56
took
5:57
a
5:57
couple
5:57
of
5:57
paragraphs
5:58
and
5:58
expanded
5:59
them
5:59
into
5:59
a
5:59
trilogy.
6:00
So
6:03
there's
6:03
a
6:03
lot
6:03
there.
6:04
Yeah,
6:04
it's
6:04
good.
6:05
So
6:05
this
6:05
way
6:05
we're
6:06
connecting
6:06
the
6:06
two
6:07
books.
6:08
Yeah.
6:08
Beautiful.
6:09
Thank
6:09
you.
6:10
So
6:10
in
6:10
this
6:11
chapter
6:11
on
6:11
reality,
6:13
you
6:13
start
6:14
by
6:14
talking
6:15
about
6:16
how
6:17
things
6:17
seem
6:18
as
6:18
we
6:18
wake
6:19
up,
6:19
as
6:20
we
6:20
recognize
6:21
true
6:22
nature
6:23
and
6:23
our
6:23
true
6:23
nature
6:24
and
6:24
the
6:24
true
6:24
nature
6:24
of
6:25
everything.
6:25
And
6:25
you
6:25
talk
6:26
about
6:26
the
6:26
way
6:26
in
6:27
which
6:27
there's
6:27
a
6:27
recognition
6:28
that
6:28
true
6:29
nature
6:29
is
6:30
continuously
6:31
is
6:32
projecting
6:32
or
6:33
unfolding
6:34
itself
6:35
as
6:36
the
6:36
manifest
6:37
world.
6:37
And
6:38
that
6:38
when
6:39
we
6:39
wake
6:39
up,
6:39
we
6:40
see,
6:40
for
6:40
example,
6:41
a
6:41
tree
6:41
or
6:42
a
6:42
hand,
6:43
not
6:43
only
6:43
the
6:43
way
6:43
we
6:44
usually
6:44
see
6:44
it,
6:44
but
6:44
we
6:45
see
6:45
the
6:46
Absolute
6:47
as
6:48
its
6:48
expression.
6:50
Yeah,
6:50
that's
6:51
a
6:51
good
6:51
way
6:51
of
6:51
saying
6:51
it.
6:52
Rather
6:52
so
6:53
in
6:53
some
6:53
sense,
6:54
seeing
6:54
what
6:54
we
6:55
been
6:55
exploring
6:56
through
6:57
dimensions
6:58
of
6:58
what
6:59
we
6:59
call
6:59
ascent
6:59
and
7:00
descent.
7:01
And
7:02
this
7:02
chapter,
7:03
which
7:04
basically
7:05
explores
7:05
something
7:06
explored
7:07
by
7:07
many
7:08
philosophers
7:09
and
7:09
theologians,
7:10
which
7:10
is
7:10
the
7:10
relationship
7:11
Of
7:11
God,
7:12
world
7:12
and
7:13
humanity.
7:15
That's
7:15
what
7:15
this
7:15
chapter
7:16
really
7:17
deals
7:17
with
7:17
from
7:18
the
7:18
perspective
7:18
of
7:19
this
7:19
path.
7:19
Yeah.
7:20
And
7:20
Hameed,
7:20
it
7:21
seems
7:21
in
7:21
this
7:21
chapter
7:22
you've
7:22
kind
7:23
of
7:23
brought
7:23
together
7:24
crude
7:25
materialism
7:26
that
7:26
everything
7:26
is
7:27
matter.
7:27
And
7:28
epiphenomena
7:29
of
7:29
matter
7:30
comes
7:30
from
7:31
our
7:31
brain.
7:31
Consciousness,
7:32
awareness
7:33
and
7:33
the
7:33
type
7:34
of
7:34
spirituality
7:34
that
7:35
renounces
7:35
the
7:36
material
7:36
world,
7:36
the
7:37
world
7:37
as
7:37
being
7:37
illusory
7:38
somehow.
7:39
And
7:39
bring
7:39
those
7:40
together
7:40
in
7:40
a
7:41
way
7:41
that
7:41
is
7:41
definitely
7:42
integral
7:42
and
7:44
very
7:44
powerful.
7:45
Yeah.
7:45
I
7:45
mean
7:47
in
7:47
this
7:47
path
7:47
actually
7:48
looked
7:49
at
7:49
from
7:49
non
7:50
dual
7:51
perspective
7:51
which
7:52
we've
7:53
been
7:53
studying
7:53
non
7:54
duality
7:54
by
7:55
exploring
7:56
the
7:56
boundless
7:56
dimension
7:57
where
7:58
non
7:58
dual
7:58
teasing
7:59
basically
7:59
don't
8:01
see
8:02
our
8:02
daily
8:03
world
8:03
except
8:03
as
8:04
an
8:04
illusion.
8:05
Most
8:05
of
8:05
them
8:05
are.
8:06
They
8:07
become
8:07
channelers
8:08
like
8:08
dark
8:08
channels
8:09
illusion
8:10
like.
8:10
And
8:10
I
8:11
think
8:11
illusion
8:11
like
8:11
is
8:12
closer
8:12
to
8:13
how
8:13
it
8:13
is
8:13
than
8:14
illusion.
8:14
Illusion
8:15
means
8:15
like
8:15
who's
8:16
illusion?
8:16
You
8:16
know,
8:19
because
8:20
the
8:20
original
8:21
illusion
8:22
is
8:24
the
8:24
illusory
8:25
individual
8:25
developing
8:26
an
8:26
illusory
8:27
world.
8:27
And
8:27
it
8:28
sounds
8:28
like
8:28
a
8:28
bit
8:28
far
8:29
fetched
8:29
but
8:29
some
8:30
teaching
8:30
do
8:30
take
8:31
that
8:31
perspective.
8:32
And
8:33
basically
8:33
I
8:33
can
8:33
say
8:34
no,
8:36
it
8:37
appears
8:37
that
8:37
way.
8:38
What?
8:38
The
8:39
world
8:39
of
8:40
people,
8:41
living
8:41
beings
8:42
appears
8:43
that
8:43
way.
8:44
We
8:44
can
8:44
see
8:45
it
8:45
on
8:45
its
8:45
own.
8:46
Or
8:46
we
8:46
could
8:46
see
8:46
it
8:47
from
8:47
the
8:47
perspective
8:48
of
8:48
the
8:48
absolute.
8:49
Or
8:50
any
8:50
of
8:50
the
8:51
boundless
8:51
or
8:52
dual
8:52
dimension
8:53
or
8:53
pure
8:53
awareness
8:54
or
8:54
consciousness.
8:55
Sort
8:55
of
8:55
love
8:56
the
8:57
emptiness.
8:57
And
8:59
there
9:00
are
9:00
just
9:00
different
9:00
ways
9:00
of
9:01
experiencing.
9:02
But
9:02
in
9:02
all
9:03
these
9:03
dimensions,
9:03
all
9:04
these
9:04
ways
9:04
experience
9:04
the
9:05
world.
9:05
The
9:05
world
9:05
appears
9:06
as
9:06
it
9:06
is,
9:07
except
9:09
seen
9:10
as
9:10
an
9:10
expression
9:11
of
9:12
the
9:12
ground.
9:13
But
9:14
for
9:14
most
9:14
people,
9:15
they
9:15
don't
9:15
see
9:16
the
9:16
ground,
9:16
they
9:16
just
9:17
see
9:17
the
9:17
world.
9:18
That
9:18
doesn't
9:18
mean
9:19
they're
9:19
wrong.
9:19
It's
9:20
not
9:20
an
9:20
illusion.
9:21
They're
9:21
just
9:23
one
9:23
way
9:24
of
9:24
experiencing
9:24
things
9:25
which
9:25
is
9:25
experiencing
9:26
that
9:26
dimension
9:27
by
9:27
itself.
9:27
I
9:28
make
9:28
the
9:28
physical
9:29
world
9:29
the
9:30
world
9:30
of
9:31
that
9:32
most
9:32
people
9:32
know
9:33
as
9:33
a
9:33
dimension
9:34
of
9:34
its
9:34
own.
9:35
Which
9:35
basically
9:36
it's
9:36
a
9:37
dimension
9:37
of
9:37
matter.
9:39
You
9:39
know,
9:40
what
9:40
makes
9:40
it
9:41
different
9:41
from
9:41
other
9:42
dimensions
9:42
is
9:42
matter,
9:43
physical
9:43
matter
9:45
and
9:45
physical
9:46
matter.
9:47
Regardless
9:47
of
9:47
what
9:48
spiritual
9:48
teaching
9:49
talk
9:49
about,
9:50
nobody
9:50
really
9:50
knows
9:51
exactly
9:51
what
9:52
it
9:52
is.
9:53
Nobody
9:53
have
9:54
a
9:54
good
9:54
explanation
9:55
for
9:55
the
9:55
world
9:55
of
9:55
matter.
9:56
Why
9:56
does
9:56
it
9:56
behave
9:57
the
9:57
way
9:57
it
9:57
does?
9:58
You
9:58
know,
9:59
it's
9:59
really
9:59
a
10:00
mystery.
10:00
I
10:00
mean
10:00
you
10:01
could
10:01
say
10:01
it's
10:01
consciousness,
10:02
but
10:02
consciousness
10:03
is
10:03
very
10:03
fluid
10:04
and
10:05
nothing
10:06
solid.
10:07
Consciousness,
10:08
as
10:08
you
10:08
say
10:08
awareness,
10:09
empty
10:09
awareness.
10:09
That
10:10
doesn't
10:10
explain
10:10
it.
10:11
It
10:11
just
10:11
says
10:12
maybe
10:12
it
10:12
is
10:12
an
10:13
expression
10:13
of
10:13
that.
10:14
But
10:14
how
10:14
come
10:14
it
10:15
is
10:15
so
10:16
people
10:16
experience
10:17
so
10:17
solid
10:17
you
10:18
could
10:18
hit
10:19
your
10:19
head
10:19
against
10:20
the
10:20
wall,
10:20
it
10:20
break
10:21
your
10:21
head.
10:22
It
10:22
doesn't
10:23
seem
10:23
like
10:23
just
10:23
pure
10:24
consciousness
10:25
or
10:25
awareness.
10:25
It
10:25
is.
10:28
Rock
10:28
is
10:28
rock,
10:28
you
10:29
know,
10:30
wood
10:30
is
10:31
wood.
10:32
So
10:32
it
10:32
has
10:33
its
10:33
own
10:34
reality.
10:36
Usually
10:36
the
10:37
way
10:37
in
10:37
my
10:37
teaching,
10:38
when
10:38
I
10:38
present
10:39
the
10:40
Nandir,
10:41
I
10:41
said,
10:42
well,
10:42
even
10:42
if
10:42
you
10:42
are
10:43
living
10:43
in
10:43
the
10:44
absolute,
10:45
you
10:45
still
10:46
have
10:46
to
10:46
go
10:46
to
10:46
the
10:47
bathroom.
10:48
You
10:49
still
10:49
have
10:49
to
10:49
be
10:49
careful
10:50
when
10:51
you're
10:51
crossing
10:51
the
10:52
street.
10:54
This
10:54
car
10:54
is
10:54
not
10:55
going
10:55
to
10:55
pass
10:55
through
10:56
you,
10:57
regardless
10:57
how
10:57
transparent
10:58
you
10:58
feel
10:59
on
10:59
the
10:59
car.
11:00
A
11:00
motorcycle
11:00
did
11:01
help
11:01
you
11:01
wake
11:01
up
11:01
though.
11:02
Yeah,
11:02
a
11:02
motorcycle
11:03
did
11:03
a
11:03
good
11:03
job
11:04
on
11:04
me.
11:07
It
11:07
didn't
11:08
go
11:08
through
11:08
me.
11:12
Good
11:12
point,
11:12
John.
11:13
That
11:13
was
11:14
a
11:14
waking
11:15
up
11:15
call.
11:16
That's
11:17
a
11:17
good.
11:17
I
11:17
never
11:17
thought
11:17
of
11:18
that
11:18
way.
11:19
Showing
11:19
the
11:20
power
11:20
of
11:21
the
11:22
material
11:22
world
11:23
and
11:23
waking
11:24
me
11:24
up
11:24
to
11:24
spiritual
11:25
reality,
11:26
actually.
11:28
Good.
11:29
Let's
11:29
note
11:29
this
11:29
moment
11:30
when
11:30
we
11:30
gave
11:31
Hameed
11:31
an
11:31
insight.
11:32
Yes.
11:34
I
11:34
didn't
11:35
think
11:35
about
11:35
it
11:35
that
11:36
way.
11:36
We
11:37
could
11:37
get
11:37
a
11:37
sponsor
11:37
for
11:38
this,
11:38
like
11:38
Honda
11:39
sponsors,
11:39
Ah,
11:40
Almaas,
11:40
because
11:41
we
11:41
helped
11:41
or
11:41
whatever
11:42
brand
11:42
it
11:42
was.
11:42
Hameed,
11:43
wake
11:43
up.
11:43
Yeah,
11:44
I
11:44
remember
11:44
the
11:45
brand.
11:45
It'd
11:45
be
11:45
good
11:45
if
11:46
I
11:46
knew.
11:48
Yeah.
11:48
And
11:49
amid
11:49
you,
11:49
you
11:50
give
11:50
a
11:50
beautiful
11:51
image
11:52
of
11:52
how
11:52
things
11:53
look
11:53
from
11:54
an
11:55
awakened
11:55
perspective.
11:56
Because
11:56
in
11:56
the
11:57
early
11:57
part
11:57
of
11:57
the
11:57
chapter,
11:58
you
11:58
point
11:58
out
11:59
that,
11:59
yes,
11:59
just
11:59
as
11:59
you
12:00
said,
12:00
for
12:01
most
12:01
of
12:01
us
12:02
a
12:02
tree
12:03
is
12:03
just
12:03
a
12:03
material
12:04
object,
12:04
but
12:05
for
12:05
someone
12:05
who's
12:06
awake,
12:06
it
12:06
is
12:06
many.
12:07
It's
12:07
multidimensional.
12:08
It's
12:08
the
12:08
material
12:09
object
12:09
that's
12:10
not
12:10
neg,
12:11
but
12:11
it's
12:12
also
12:13
an
12:13
inseparable
12:14
part
12:15
of
12:16
the
12:16
whole
12:17
field
12:17
of
12:17
manifestation.
12:19
And
12:19
it's
12:20
also
12:21
an
12:21
expression
12:22
of
12:22
the
12:22
absolute,
12:23
as
12:23
is
12:23
all
12:24
other
12:24
manifestations.
12:25
So
12:25
there's
12:25
a
12:26
multifaceted
12:28
perception.
12:29
That's
12:29
impossible.
12:31
But
12:31
it's
12:31
all
12:32
the
12:32
same
12:32
thing.
12:32
It's
12:33
not
12:33
this,
12:33
that
12:33
and
12:33
that.
12:34
I
12:34
mean,
12:35
I
12:35
understand
12:35
from
12:35
reading
12:36
this,
12:36
it
12:36
becomes
12:37
being
12:37
and
12:38
the
12:38
material
12:38
world
12:39
and
12:39
soul,
12:39
and
12:40
all
12:40
that
12:40
comes
12:40
very,
12:41
very
12:41
transparent.
12:42
And
12:43
you're
12:43
not
12:43
leaving
12:44
anything.
12:44
You're
12:44
not
12:45
leaving
12:45
the
12:45
ground
12:46
of
12:46
being.
12:47
Out
12:47
of
12:47
the
12:47
material
12:48
world,
12:48
it's
12:49
all
12:49
come
12:49
together
12:49
and
12:50
they're
12:50
truly
12:51
inseparable.
12:51
Yeah,
12:52
inseparable.
12:53
When
12:53
we
12:53
are
12:54
in
12:54
the
12:54
ground
12:54
of
12:55
being,
12:55
when
12:56
we
12:56
are
12:56
recognized
12:57
that
12:57
our
12:58
beingness
12:59
is
12:59
the
13:00
beingness
13:00
of
13:01
everything,
13:02
in
13:02
the
13:02
holy
13:02
ground,
13:04
we
13:04
see
13:04
that
13:04
everything
13:05
is
13:05
an
13:05
expression
13:06
of
13:06
it.
13:06
Everything
13:07
is
13:07
a
13:07
manifestation
13:08
of
13:08
it
13:09
without
13:09
leaving
13:10
it.
13:11
When
13:11
I
13:11
say
13:11
expression
13:12
of
13:12
it,
13:12
I
13:12
don't
13:13
mean
13:14
jumps
13:14
out
13:14
of
13:14
it.
13:15
It's
13:16
just
13:16
like
13:16
waves
13:17
in
13:17
the
13:17
ocean.
13:18
It's
13:18
still
13:18
the
13:19
ocean.
13:20
Bubbles
13:20
and
13:20
waves
13:21
of
13:21
the
13:21
ocean
13:21
are
13:22
still
13:22
part
13:22
of
13:22
the
13:22
ocean,
13:23
inseparable
13:23
from
13:24
it.
13:24
So
13:25
we
13:26
see
13:26
the
13:26
whole,
13:27
all
13:28
of
13:28
what
13:28
we
13:28
take
13:29
to
13:29
be
13:29
the
13:30
world
13:30
as
13:32
part
13:32
of
13:32
an
13:33
expression
13:33
of
13:34
the
13:34
ground
13:35
being,
13:35
whether
13:35
it's
13:36
pure
13:36
presence
13:36
or
13:37
pure
13:37
emptiness,
13:38
like
13:39
the
13:39
absolute.
13:40
It
13:40
is
13:40
a
13:41
beautiful,
13:42
vast
13:43
way
13:44
of
13:44
seeing
13:45
things.
13:45
Very
13:46
subtle,
13:47
profound.
13:48
And
13:48
it
13:48
is,
13:49
I
13:49
mean
13:50
it
13:50
explained
13:51
to
13:51
us
13:51
why
13:52
the
13:52
non
13:53
dual
13:53
teaching
13:54
are
13:54
so
13:54
taken
13:55
by
13:55
it
13:55
and
13:56
so
13:57
captured
13:58
by
13:59
such
13:59
a
13:59
compelling
13:59
way
14:00
of
14:00
experiencing
14:00
things.
14:01
And
14:02
it
14:02
is
14:02
the
14:02
reality.
14:03
It
14:03
is
14:03
the
14:03
reality
14:04
of
14:04
thing,
14:04
the
14:05
truth
14:05
of
14:05
thing.
14:06
And
14:06
it
14:06
is
14:07
when
14:07
we
14:07
experience
14:08
the
14:08
absolute,
14:09
we
14:09
see
14:09
it
14:09
as
14:10
the
14:10
truth
14:10
of
14:10
everything,
14:11
as
14:12
the
14:12
nature
14:12
of
14:12
everything.
14:13
Nature
14:13
of
14:13
you.
14:14
Roger
14:15
ME
14:15
DESK
14:16
Everything.
14:17
All
14:17
are
14:18
the
14:18
glimmerings
14:19
of
14:19
the
14:19
absolute.
14:20
From
14:21
the
14:21
perspective
14:22
absolute,
14:22
they
14:22
appear
14:23
as
14:23
glimmering.
14:24
If
14:24
we
14:24
don't
14:24
experience
14:25
the
14:25
absolute,
14:25
they
14:25
don't
14:26
look
14:26
like
14:26
glimmering,
14:27
they
14:27
look
14:27
like
14:27
physical
14:28
things.
14:28
So
14:29
it
14:29
depends
14:29
on
14:29
where
14:30
we
14:30
find
14:30
our
14:31
stance.
14:32
If
14:32
we
14:32
find
14:32
our
14:33
stance
14:33
in
14:33
the
14:34
emptiness
14:34
of
14:34
the
14:35
absolute
14:35
or
14:36
the
14:36
fullness
14:37
of
14:37
pure
14:38
presence,
14:39
everything
14:39
appears
14:40
as
14:40
a
14:41
formation
14:41
out
14:42
of
14:42
the
14:42
formless
14:43
without
14:43
leaving
14:44
the
14:44
formless.
14:44
If
14:45
we
14:45
look
14:45
at
14:45
it
14:45
from
14:46
the
14:46
physical
14:46
world,
14:47
from
14:47
the
14:48
world
14:48
of
14:49
people.
14:49
And
14:50
the
14:50
absolute
14:51
is
14:51
nowhere
14:51
to
14:51
be
14:52
seen.
14:52
There's
14:52
no
14:53
such
14:53
thing.
14:54
Absolute
14:54
is
14:55
an
14:55
idea.
14:56
You
14:56
know,
14:57
the
14:57
ground
14:58
is
14:58
an
14:58
idea.
14:59
Such
14:59
thing
15:00
as
15:00
a
15:00
ground.
15:01
There
15:02
is
15:02
just
15:02
the
15:02
physical
15:02
world
15:03
as
15:03
we
15:03
know
15:03
it
15:03
with
15:04
the
15:04
stars
15:04
and
15:04
galaxies
15:05
and
15:05
atoms
15:06
and
15:07
quantum
15:08
fields
15:08
and
15:09
the
15:09
whole
15:10
thing.
15:10
I
15:10
mean
15:11
it's
15:11
very
15:11
compelling
15:12
when
15:12
we're
15:12
living
15:13
in
15:13
especially
15:13
if
15:14
you're
15:14
involved
15:15
in
15:15
a
15:15
scientific
15:16
world.
15:16
I
15:16
was
15:16
thinking
15:17
about
15:17
when
15:17
I
15:18
study
15:18
science
15:20
look
15:20
at
15:20
things,
15:21
it's
15:21
so
15:22
compelling.
15:22
I
15:23
mean
15:23
there
15:24
are
15:24
millions
15:25
of
15:25
people
15:25
chapters
15:26
studying
15:27
this
15:27
physical
15:27
world
15:28
and
15:28
then
15:28
finding
15:29
out
15:29
all
15:29
kinds
15:30
of
15:30
things
15:30
about
15:32
seems
15:32
such
15:32
an
15:33
immense
15:34
universe.
15:35
I
15:35
mean
15:35
the
15:35
theories
15:36
keep
15:36
developing.
15:37
Einstein
15:38
and
15:39
Eisenberg
15:40
and
15:40
all
15:40
these
15:40
being
15:42
seems
15:42
so
15:42
real.
15:43
And
15:43
it
15:43
is
15:43
in
15:44
its
15:44
level.
15:45
I
15:45
mean
15:46
it's
15:46
rock
15:47
level
15:47
real.
15:48
I
15:48
mean
15:50
you
15:50
can't
15:51
ignore
15:51
it
15:51
and
15:52
ignore
15:52
its
15:53
solidity
15:54
and
15:54
opaqueness
15:55
of
15:55
rocks
15:56
and
15:56
stuff
15:56
like
15:56
that
15:57
is
15:57
part
15:57
of
15:57
it.
15:58
And
15:58
I
15:59
mean
15:59
in
15:59
quantum
15:59
theory
16:00
says
16:00
well,
16:00
the
16:01
opaque
16:01
of
16:01
solidity
16:02
is
16:02
because
16:03
of
16:03
the
16:04
electromagnetic.
16:05
So
16:05
you
16:05
know,
16:06
cohesion
16:07
of
16:07
particles
16:07
and
16:08
all
16:08
that's
16:08
true,
16:09
but
16:09
that
16:09
is
16:10
not
16:10
obvious
16:10
to
16:11
the
16:11
human
16:11
perception.
16:12
Human
16:12
perception,
16:13
you
16:13
see
16:13
rock,
16:13
you
16:14
don't
16:14
see
16:14
atoms.
16:14
You
16:15
know,
16:15
and
16:16
that's
16:16
what
16:16
most
16:16
people
16:17
experience
16:17
is.
16:17
I
16:18
mean,
16:18
even
16:18
when
16:18
the
16:18
physicists
16:19
take
16:19
it
16:20
down
16:20
to
16:21
unlimited
16:22
particles
16:22
or
16:23
fields.
16:24
Still
16:24
though
16:25
these
16:25
things
16:25
are
16:26
physical
16:26
phenomena,
16:27
they're
16:27
not
16:27
spiritual
16:28
phenomena.
16:29
So
16:30
even
16:30
when
16:31
they
16:31
take
16:31
it
16:31
to
16:32
like
16:33
most
16:33
of
16:34
matter
16:34
is
16:34
really
16:35
emptiness.
16:36
It
16:36
appears
16:36
as
16:37
solid.
16:38
All
16:38
they
16:38
take
16:38
all
16:39
the
16:39
way
16:39
to
16:39
quantum
16:40
field
16:40
is
16:40
field
16:41
or
16:41
electromagnetic
16:42
field
16:42
or
16:43
I
16:43
mean
16:44
gravitation
16:44
field.
16:45
The
16:46
fields
16:46
are
16:46
not
16:47
seen
16:47
as
16:47
consciousness
16:48
or
16:48
awareness.
16:49
They're
16:49
physical
16:50
quantities
16:52
and
16:52
their
16:52
view
16:53
is
16:53
still
16:54
material.
16:55
And
16:56
trying
16:57
to
16:57
explain
16:57
the
16:57
material
16:58
by
16:59
Some
16:59
deeper
17:00
strata
17:00
of
17:00
the
17:01
material.
17:02
So
17:02
it's
17:02
compelling.
17:03
I
17:03
mean,
17:03
it
17:04
is
17:04
as
17:05
compelling
17:05
as
17:05
the
17:06
spiritual
17:07
perspective.
17:08
It
17:09
depends
17:09
what
17:09
you
17:09
immerse
17:10
yourself
17:10
in.
17:10
And
17:11
after
17:11
all
17:11
these
17:11
years
17:12
since
17:12
Einstein
17:12
and
17:13
the
17:13
original
17:13
people,
17:14
it's
17:14
still
17:14
a
17:14
great
17:14
mystery,
17:15
you
17:16
know,
17:16
that
17:16
they
17:16
just
17:17
haven't
17:17
figured
17:17
it
17:17
out.
17:17
You
17:18
know,
17:18
they
17:18
haven't
17:18
found
17:18
the
17:19
right
17:19
mathematical
17:19
formula
17:20
or
17:20
they
17:20
just.
17:21
When
17:21
you
17:21
get
17:21
down
17:21
to
17:22
the
17:22
bottom
17:22
of
17:22
it
17:22
again,
17:22
you
17:23
said
17:23
there's
17:23
nothing.
17:24
Everything
17:24
is
17:24
nothing.
17:25
We're
17:25
talking
17:25
about
17:25
the
17:26
last
17:26
time,
17:27
I
17:27
believe,
17:27
where
17:27
the
17:27
human
17:28
mind
17:28
can
17:28
only
17:28
go
17:28
so
17:29
far.
17:29
And
17:30
some
17:30
of
17:30
this
17:30
has
17:30
to
17:30
be
17:31
apprehended
17:31
with
17:31
the
17:31
heart
17:32
and
17:32
not
17:33
the
17:33
brain.
17:33
And
17:33
to
17:33
realize
17:34
your
17:34
limits
17:34
of
17:34
the
17:35
brain
17:35
is.
17:35
You
17:36
said
17:36
that
17:36
illuminates
17:37
the
17:37
brain.
17:37
So
17:37
I've
17:38
taken
17:39
comfort
17:39
in
17:39
that.
17:40
That's
17:40
a
17:40
spiritual
17:40
perspective.
17:41
You
17:42
have
17:42
to
17:42
use
17:42
the
17:42
heart
17:43
and
17:43
physics.
17:44
No,
17:44
you
17:44
have
17:45
to
17:45
use
17:45
your
17:45
mind.
17:46
How
17:46
you
17:46
choose
17:47
intelligence
17:47
and
17:48
reason
17:48
and
17:48
equations
17:49
and
17:49
mathematics
17:50
and
17:50
all
17:51
that.
17:52
And
17:52
so
17:52
then
17:52
the
17:52
universe
17:53
obeys
17:54
mathematical
17:54
laws,
17:54
which
17:55
is
17:55
partly
17:56
also
17:56
by
17:57
itself
17:57
is
17:57
miracle.
17:58
How
17:58
did
17:58
that
17:58
happen?
17:59
How
17:59
did
18:00
the
18:00
physical
18:00
world
18:01
follows
18:02
math,
18:03
right?
18:04
Where
18:04
did
18:04
it
18:05
learn
18:05
it?
18:05
Because
18:05
math
18:06
is
18:06
something.
18:07
Ideas
18:07
in
18:08
the
18:08
mind,
18:08
you
18:08
know,
18:10
so
18:10
it
18:11
is
18:11
amazing.
18:12
And
18:12
then.
18:13
And
18:13
that's
18:14
why
18:14
in
18:14
my
18:15
view
18:15
of
18:15
reality,
18:16
I
18:16
don't
18:17
want
18:17
to
18:18
just
18:18
reduce
18:18
it
18:19
to
18:19
an
18:19
illusion.
18:20
I
18:20
mean,
18:20
to
18:21
use
18:21
an
18:21
illusion
18:23
is
18:23
looking
18:24
at
18:24
it
18:24
from
18:25
one
18:26
dimension
18:26
of
18:26
reality
18:28
and
18:28
saying
18:28
another
18:29
dimension
18:29
is
18:29
an
18:29
illusion.
18:30
So
18:31
from
18:31
a
18:31
dimension
18:31
of
18:32
the
18:32
absolute,
18:32
it
18:33
appears
18:34
as
18:34
ephemeral.
18:35
The
18:35
physical
18:36
world,
18:36
which
18:36
we
18:37
see
18:37
as
18:37
solid,
18:37
as
18:38
ephemeral,
18:39
as
18:39
the
18:40
radiant
18:40
expression
18:41
of
18:42
the
18:42
absolute
18:42
or
18:43
of
18:43
the
18:44
spiritual
18:44
reality,
18:45
an
18:45
expression
18:46
of
18:46
it.
18:46
But
18:46
I
18:46
discussed
18:47
in
18:47
that
18:47
chapter,
18:48
regardless
18:49
how
18:49
it
18:49
is
18:49
an
18:49
expression
18:50
of
18:50
it,
18:51
the
18:51
physical
18:52
universe
18:52
has
18:53
properties
18:54
that
18:55
are
18:55
not
18:56
eliminated
18:57
by
18:58
seeing
18:58
it
18:58
as
18:58
a
18:59
pure
18:59
awareness
19:00
or
19:01
pure
19:01
emptiness,
19:02
which
19:02
is
19:03
the
19:03
fact
19:03
that
19:03
a
19:04
physical
19:04
object
19:05
to
19:05
physical
19:06
object
19:06
can't
19:06
occupy
19:07
the
19:07
same
19:08
point
19:08
with
19:08
time
19:09
and
19:09
space.
19:10
All
19:10
spiritual
19:11
realities
19:12
can,
19:13
except
19:13
the.
19:14
All
19:14
dimensions
19:15
can
19:15
do
19:16
that,
19:16
can
19:16
overlap,
19:17
can
19:17
interpenetrate.
19:19
The
19:19
physical
19:19
universe,
19:20
you
19:20
cannot
19:21
interpenetrate.
19:23
I
19:23
mean,
19:23
from.
19:24
I
19:25
can
19:25
have
19:25
an
19:25
experience
19:26
of
19:26
realization
19:27
or
19:27
I
19:27
can
19:28
see
19:28
everything
19:28
all
19:29
in
19:29
the
19:29
same
19:29
place.
19:30
However,
19:32
you
19:32
cannot
19:32
take
19:33
a
19:33
rock
19:33
and
19:34
put
19:34
it
19:34
inside
19:34
another
19:35
rock.
19:35
I
19:36
mean,
19:36
you
19:36
have
19:36
to
19:37
smash
19:37
them
19:37
for
19:38
that
19:38
to
19:38
happen.
19:39
You
19:39
can't
19:39
take
19:39
two
19:39
cars
19:40
and
19:40
put
19:40
them
19:40
inside
19:41
each
19:41
other.
19:42
That
19:42
would
19:42
be
19:42
quite
19:43
a
19:43
collision,
19:44
you
19:44
know,
19:45
so
19:46
that
19:46
is
19:46
a
19:46
reality.
19:47
Regardless
19:48
of
19:48
how
19:48
they
19:48
are
19:48
an
19:49
expression
19:49
of
19:49
consciousness
19:50
or
19:51
emptiness.
19:52
They
19:52
retain
19:53
something
19:54
which
19:55
is.
19:55
I
19:55
call.
19:56
That's
19:56
why
19:56
I
19:56
give
19:57
the
19:57
physical
19:57
world
19:58
a
19:58
dimension
19:59
of
19:59
its
19:59
own.
20:00
It
20:00
is
20:00
a
20:00
dimension
20:01
of
20:01
reality
20:02
and
20:02
can
20:03
be
20:03
perceived
20:04
from
20:04
different
20:04
perspectives.
20:05
Just
20:05
like
20:06
the
20:07
dimension
20:07
of
20:08
pure
20:08
presence,
20:08
for
20:08
instance,
20:09
which
20:09
is
20:09
purely
20:10
spiritual,
20:11
which
20:11
is
20:12
pure
20:12
being,
20:12
everything
20:13
is
20:13
the
20:13
beingness,
20:15
the
20:15
existence
20:16
of
20:16
everything.
20:17
To
20:17
the
20:17
being,
20:17
everything.
20:18
Everything
20:18
is
20:19
a
20:19
presence
20:19
being
20:20
which
20:20
is
20:20
non
20:21
physical.
20:22
From
20:23
the
20:23
absolute.
20:24
Pure
20:25
being
20:25
is
20:26
an
20:26
outer
20:26
expression
20:27
of
20:27
emptiness.
20:30
And
20:30
Amit,
20:31
you've
20:31
been
20:31
drawing
20:31
analogies
20:32
to
20:33
physics
20:33
here.
20:34
And
20:34
as
20:35
I,
20:36
as
20:36
I
20:36
immersed
20:37
myself
20:37
in
20:38
this
20:38
and
20:38
your
20:38
description
20:39
of
20:39
the
20:39
possibility
20:40
of
20:40
seeing
20:41
physical
20:41
phenomena,
20:43
not
20:43
only
20:43
is
20:43
this
20:44
physical
20:44
as
20:45
physical,
20:45
but
20:45
as
20:46
part
20:46
of
20:46
this
20:47
interpenetrating
20:49
or
20:49
interconnected
20:50
whole
20:51
of
20:51
the
20:51
cosmos
20:52
and
20:52
an
20:52
expression
20:53
of
20:53
the
20:53
absolute.
20:53
It
20:54
feels
20:54
like
20:55
the
20:55
analogy
20:55
comes
20:56
to
20:56
my
20:56
mind.
20:56
Is
20:57
Newtonian
20:58
Einsteinian
20:59
physics
20:59
or
20:59
Newtonian
21:00
relativistic?
21:02
That
21:02
just
21:03
as
21:03
I
21:04
understand
21:04
it,
21:05
Newtonian
21:05
physics
21:06
is
21:06
still
21:06
valid,
21:07
but
21:08
it
21:09
is
21:09
the
21:09
Einsteinian
21:11
relativity
21:11
puts
21:12
it
21:12
in
21:12
a
21:12
larger
21:13
context,
21:14
shows
21:14
its
21:15
limits
21:15
and
21:16
a
21:17
more
21:17
profound
21:18
multidimensional
21:19
way
21:19
of
21:20
appreciating
21:20
things.
21:21
And
21:21
it
21:21
feels
21:21
like
21:21
that's
21:22
what
21:22
you've
21:22
done.
21:23
You're
21:23
honoring
21:24
the
21:24
physical.
21:25
Not
21:25
in
21:25
any
21:25
way
21:26
denying
21:26
or
21:27
negating
21:27
or
21:28
rendering
21:29
it
21:29
merely
21:29
illusory,
21:31
but
21:31
you
21:31
are
21:32
offering
21:33
a
21:33
much
21:33
larger
21:34
perspective
21:35
which
21:35
points
21:36
to
21:36
the
21:36
limitations
21:37
of
21:37
the
21:37
traditional
21:38
or
21:39
customary
21:40
merely
21:40
physical
21:41
perspective
21:42
and
21:43
enriching
21:43
it
21:44
with
21:44
an
21:44
appreciation
21:45
of
21:45
its
21:46
deeper
21:46
dimension
21:47
and
21:47
source.
21:48
Yeah.
21:48
Also
21:49
I
21:49
think
21:50
one
21:50
way
21:50
of
21:51
honoring
21:52
the
21:52
physical,
21:52
recognizing
21:53
its
21:53
reality,
21:54
is
21:54
the
21:55
fact
21:55
of
21:55
birth
21:55
and
21:56
death.
21:57
Human
21:58
beings
21:58
are
21:58
born
21:58
and
21:59
they
21:59
die.
21:59
The
21:59
question
22:00
of
22:00
death
22:00
is
22:00
a
22:00
big
22:01
deal.
22:02
All
22:02
human
22:03
being
22:03
and
22:03
for
22:03
all
22:04
spiritual
22:04
tradition,
22:06
death
22:06
is
22:07
a
22:07
transition.
22:08
Transition
22:08
from
22:09
what?
22:10
You
22:11
know,
22:11
that
22:12
by
22:12
itself
22:12
show
22:13
that
22:14
the
22:14
physical
22:14
body
22:15
has
22:16
something
22:17
significant
22:17
about
22:18
it.
22:18
It
22:18
can't
22:19
die.
22:20
And
22:20
when
22:20
it
22:20
dies,
22:21
it
22:21
transition.
22:22
And
22:23
you
22:23
know,
22:23
spiritual
22:24
teacher,
22:24
you
22:24
could
22:24
say,
22:24
well,
22:25
it
22:25
appears
22:26
like
22:26
there
22:26
is
22:26
a
22:27
dying
22:27
whatever.
22:28
There
22:28
is
22:29
really
22:29
no
22:29
death
22:29
because
22:30
all
22:30
of
22:30
it
22:30
is
22:31
an
22:31
expression
22:31
of
22:31
the
22:32
same
22:32
reality.
22:32
It
22:32
is
22:33
true.
22:34
But
22:34
no
22:34
physical
22:35
tradition
22:35
ignores
22:36
death.
22:36
They
22:37
all
22:37
respect
22:37
it
22:38
and
22:38
they
22:38
have,
22:39
they
22:39
all
22:39
have
22:40
rituals
22:41
about
22:41
it
22:41
and
22:42
all
22:42
of
22:42
that.
22:42
You
22:42
know,.
22:45
If
22:45
it
22:45
wasn't
22:46
for
22:46
death,
22:46
maybe
22:46
we
22:47
wouldn't
22:47
be
22:47
talking
22:47
to
22:47
you.
22:48
I
22:48
mean,
22:49
most
22:49
people
22:49
come
22:50
to
22:50
spirituality
22:50
because
22:51
of
22:51
the
22:51
imminent
22:52
death
22:53
of
22:53
themselves
22:53
and
22:53
everyone
22:54
they
22:54
love.
22:54
And
22:54
that
22:54
is
22:55
like
22:56
a
22:56
huge
22:56
existential
22:57
question.
22:58
Yeah.
22:58
And
22:59
when
22:59
you
22:59
get
22:59
to
22:59
experience
23:00
yourself
23:00
as
23:00
absolute,
23:01
death
23:02
is
23:02
not
23:02
that
23:02
significant.
23:03
It's
23:03
just
23:04
a
23:04
change
23:04
of
23:05
manifestation,
23:06
change
23:06
of
23:07
outer
23:07
expression.
23:08
So
23:09
it
23:09
is
23:09
true,
23:10
but
23:10
it's
23:11
still
23:11
the
23:11
great
23:12
masters
23:12
die,
23:13
they
23:14
die
23:14
and
23:14
they
23:15
don't
23:15
talk
23:15
to
23:15
people
23:16
anymore.
23:18
That's
23:18
the
23:19
truth.
23:20
It's
23:20
not
23:20
like
23:21
they
23:21
continue
23:21
talking.
23:22
People
23:22
hear
23:22
them
23:22
when
23:23
their
23:23
body
23:23
is
23:23
gone.
23:26
And
23:26
what
23:27
does
23:27
this
23:27
Perspective.
23:28
Tell
23:28
us
23:28
about
23:29
the
23:29
nature
23:30
of
23:30
destiny.
23:31
Well,
23:31
I
23:31
mean,
23:32
it
23:32
depends
23:33
on
23:33
which
23:33
dimension.
23:34
The
23:34
physical
23:34
dimension
23:36
does
23:36
mean
23:37
the
23:37
body
23:38
stops
23:39
working,
23:39
Basically
23:40
not.
23:41
You
23:41
say
23:41
it's
23:41
not
23:42
alive.
23:43
I
23:43
mean,
23:43
medically
23:44
it
23:44
has
23:44
its
23:45
definition,
23:45
but
23:46
we
23:46
could
23:46
say
23:47
stop
23:47
breathing,
23:47
the
23:48
heart
23:48
stop
23:48
beating,
23:49
the
23:49
brain
23:50
stop
23:50
working,
23:51
all
23:51
that
23:51
that's
23:52
physical
23:52
death.
23:52
And
23:53
from
23:53
a
23:53
spiritual
23:53
perspective,
23:54
of
23:54
course,
23:55
that,
23:55
Tina,
23:55
is
23:55
a
23:56
transformation
23:57
from
23:57
one
23:57
thing
23:57
to
23:57
another.
23:58
But
23:59
even
23:59
though
24:00
transformation,
24:01
we
24:01
see
24:01
everything
24:02
as
24:02
a
24:02
transformation,
24:03
everything
24:04
transforming.
24:05
Even
24:06
when
24:06
you're
24:06
alive,
24:07
we're
24:07
always
24:07
transforming.
24:08
If
24:08
you
24:09
remember
24:09
our
24:10
discussion
24:10
of
24:11
the
24:11
dimension
24:11
of
24:12
the
24:12
logos,
24:12
the
24:12
creative
24:13
dynamism,
24:14
the
24:14
body
24:14
is
24:14
replaced
24:15
instant
24:15
by
24:16
instant.
24:16
It's
24:17
always
24:17
a
24:17
new
24:18
body,
24:18
it's
24:18
not
24:18
the
24:18
same
24:19
one
24:19
you
24:19
see.
24:20
So
24:20
at
24:20
some
24:20
point
24:21
in
24:21
this
24:21
transformation,
24:22
the
24:22
new
24:23
body
24:23
that
24:24
appears
24:24
is
24:24
a
24:24
body
24:25
without
24:25
life,
24:27
right?
24:28
Appears
24:28
as
24:28
a
24:29
body
24:29
that
24:29
is
24:29
alive.
24:30
And
24:30
then
24:31
the
24:31
next
24:32
frame
24:32
it
24:33
is
24:33
a
24:33
body
24:33
without
24:33
life
24:34
that
24:34
would
24:34
be
24:35
like
24:36
moved
24:36
from
24:37
life
24:37
to
24:37
death.
24:38
So
24:38
from
24:38
the
24:39
absolute
24:39
or
24:40
from
24:40
the
24:40
ground,
24:41
the
24:41
death
24:42
is
24:42
simply
24:43
a
24:43
transformation
24:44
of
24:44
the
24:44
outer
24:45
layers
24:45
of
24:46
our
24:46
being,
24:46
which
24:47
is
24:47
the
24:47
physical
24:48
layer
24:49
from
24:49
one
24:49
thing
24:49
to
24:50
another.
24:50
But
24:51
we
24:52
as
24:52
a
24:53
being
24:54
or
24:54
conscious
24:55
continue
24:56
no
24:56
death
24:57
to
24:57
concept
24:58
of
24:58
death,
24:59
birth
24:59
and
24:59
death
24:59
doesn't
25:00
apply
25:00
to
25:01
an
25:01
infinite
25:02
vastness
25:03
of
25:03
the
25:03
non
25:03
dual
25:04
world.
25:04
And
25:05
what
25:05
about
25:05
the
25:05
nature
25:06
of
25:06
identity,
25:07
experience
25:07
of
25:08
identity?
25:08
What
25:09
is
25:09
the
25:09
transformation
25:10
there?
25:10
Well,
25:11
I
25:11
mean,
25:11
if
25:11
we
25:12
are
25:12
and
25:13
living
25:13
in
25:13
that
25:13
kind
25:14
of
25:14
realization
25:15
of
25:15
that
25:15
awakening,
25:16
our
25:16
identity
25:17
is
25:17
already
25:18
being
25:19
itself
25:20
with
25:20
its
25:21
emptiness.
25:22
That
25:22
is
25:22
what
25:22
we
25:23
are.
25:23
And
25:24
that
25:24
doesn't
25:24
change,
25:25
that
25:25
continues
25:26
our
25:26
outer
25:27
minimity,
25:27
the
25:27
waves
25:28
of
25:28
the
25:28
ocean
25:29
change,.
25:31
But
25:31
the
25:32
soul
25:32
continues
25:32
as
25:33
an
25:33
individual
25:34
expression
25:34
of
25:35
the
25:35
absolute.
25:35
If
25:36
I
25:36
understand
25:37
what
25:37
I've
25:37
been
25:37
studying,.
25:38
Yeah,
25:38
most
25:38
tradition,
25:39
the
25:39
soul
25:40
continues,
25:40
right,
25:41
some
25:41
tradition.
25:42
They
25:43
think
25:43
by
25:44
death
25:44
everything
25:45
stops,
25:45
you
25:46
know.
25:46
But
25:47
yes,
25:47
I
25:47
do
25:48
see
25:48
that
25:48
the
25:48
soul
25:49
as
25:50
individuation,
25:51
as
25:51
a
25:52
particularization
25:53
of
25:53
the
25:54
spiritual
25:54
reality,
25:55
is
25:55
what
25:55
animates
25:56
the
25:56
body,
25:56
what
25:57
gives
25:57
it
25:57
life.
25:58
And
25:58
the
25:58
body
25:58
can
25:59
stop
25:59
living,
25:59
but
26:00
the
26:00
soul
26:00
continues
26:02
without
26:02
its
26:03
outer
26:03
garment,
26:04
which
26:04
is
26:05
physical
26:05
body.
26:06
And
26:07
continues,
26:08
continues
26:09
to
26:09
live.
26:10
So
26:10
life
26:11
continues,
26:12
but
26:12
not
26:12
life
26:13
of
26:13
the
26:13
body,
26:13
the
26:14
life
26:14
of
26:14
the
26:14
individual
26:15
consciousness,
26:16
which
26:16
we
26:16
call
26:16
the
26:16
soul.
26:18
Now
26:18
some
26:18
people
26:19
say,
26:19
well,
26:20
but
26:20
if
26:20
I
26:20
am
26:21
pure
26:22
awareness
26:22
or
26:23
the
26:23
absolute,
26:24
I'm
26:24
not
26:24
an
26:25
individual.
26:25
It
26:26
is
26:26
true.
26:27
As
26:27
the
26:27
boundless
26:28
or
26:28
the
26:28
infinite
26:29
expanse,
26:30
our
26:30
identity
26:30
is
26:31
not
26:31
the
26:31
individual.
26:33
However,
26:33
one
26:34
thing
26:34
that
26:34
is
26:34
not,
26:35
as
26:35
far
26:36
as
26:36
I
26:36
know
26:36
from
26:37
my
26:37
studies,
26:37
which
26:38
are
26:38
not
26:38
completely
26:39
exhaustive,
26:40
the
26:40
non
26:41
dual
26:41
teachings
26:41
don't
26:42
exactly
26:42
explain
26:43
how
26:43
that
26:43
happened.
26:44
They
26:44
don't
26:44
address
26:44
the
26:45
fact
26:45
that
26:46
when
26:46
we
26:46
are
26:47
experiencing
26:47
ourselves
26:48
at
26:49
the
26:49
infinite
26:49
expanse
26:50
There's
26:50
a
26:50
particular
26:51
individual
26:51
involved
26:52
in
26:52
this.
26:53
Not
26:53
everybody
26:53
experiences
26:54
that.
26:55
The
26:55
one
26:55
who
26:55
is
26:56
awakened
26:57
experiences.
26:57
That
26:58
means
26:58
there
26:58
is
26:59
one
26:59
who
26:59
is
26:59
awakened.
27:00
Who's
27:00
that
27:00
one?
27:01
It's
27:01
not
27:01
the
27:02
Absolute.
27:03
It's
27:03
not
27:03
the
27:04
absolute
27:05
nature
27:05
of
27:05
everybody.
27:05
Everybody
27:06
is
27:06
the
27:06
Absolute.
27:07
So
27:07
why
27:07
isn't
27:08
everybody
27:08
awakened?
27:10
You
27:10
see,
27:10
but
27:11
the
27:11
one
27:11
who
27:11
is
27:11
awakened
27:12
is
27:12
awakened
27:12
recognizing
27:13
himself
27:13
as
27:13
Absolute.
27:15
And
27:15
that
27:16
shows
27:17
that
27:17
there
27:17
is
27:17
an
27:18
individual
27:19
kind
27:19
of
27:20
unique
27:21
expression
27:22
of
27:22
the
27:22
Absolute.
27:23
That
27:23
through
27:24
which
27:24
the
27:25
Absolute
27:25
wakes
27:26
up
27:26
to
27:26
itself.
27:26
So
27:27
that
27:27
is
27:27
the
27:27
importance
27:28
that
27:28
many
27:29
smithshitras
27:30
recognize.
27:31
The
27:31
importance
27:31
of
27:31
the
27:31
soul
27:32
to
27:32
that
27:32
absolute.
27:33
The
27:33
importance
27:34
of
27:34
the
27:34
soul
27:34
to
27:34
God,
27:35
you
27:35
know.
27:36
And
27:36
the
27:36
soul
27:36
is
27:36
how
27:37
the
27:37
all
27:37
the
27:38
Absolute
27:38
experiences
27:39
itself.
27:40
It's
27:40
an
27:40
organ
27:40
of
27:40
experience.
27:41
Exactly.
27:42
That
27:42
is
27:43
the
27:43
teaching
27:43
I
27:43
give.
27:44
And
27:45
many
27:45
Western
27:46
teachings.
27:47
Some
27:47
of
27:47
the
27:47
Egyptians
27:48
recognize
27:49
that.
27:49
That
27:49
there
27:50
is
27:51
some
27:51
kind
27:51
of
27:52
individual.
27:53
And
27:53
even
27:53
the
27:54
like
27:54
Advera
27:55
Vedanta,
27:55
which
27:56
believe
27:56
the
27:56
individual
27:57
is
27:57
an
27:58
illusion,
27:58
recognize
27:59
the
27:59
individual
28:00
is
28:00
needed
28:01
or
28:02
pure
28:02
consciousness
28:02
to
28:02
organize
28:03
itself.
28:03
However,
28:03
they
28:04
call
28:04
it
28:04
a
28:04
convenient
28:05
fiction.
28:05
And
28:06
that's
28:06
the
28:06
part
28:07
that
28:07
sort
28:07
of
28:07
seems
28:08
odd.
28:09
Why
28:10
will
28:10
pure
28:11
consciousness
28:12
need
28:12
a
28:12
fiction?
28:13
Why
28:13
will
28:14
it
28:14
create
28:14
a
28:14
lie
28:15
to
28:15
know
28:15
itself?
28:16
You
28:17
know,
28:18
why
28:18
can't
28:18
it
28:18
create
28:19
just
28:19
a
28:19
form
28:20
of
28:20
itself
28:20
as
28:21
an
28:21
individual,
28:22
an
28:22
organ
28:23
through
28:23
which
28:23
it
28:24
can
28:24
wake
28:25
up
28:25
to
28:25
itself?
28:26
That's
28:26
actually
28:27
more
28:27
reasonable.
28:29
And
28:29
it
28:29
is
28:30
a
28:30
view
28:30
of
28:30
many
28:31
teachings
28:31
too.
28:32
And
28:32
that's
28:33
how
28:33
I
28:33
see
28:33
things
28:34
that
28:35
the
28:35
Absolute
28:36
manifests.
28:37
Many
28:37
manifest
28:38
the
28:38
world,
28:38
but
28:39
also
28:39
manifests
28:40
individual
28:41
consciousness.
28:42
A
28:42
consciousness
28:43
that
28:43
can
28:43
be
28:44
aware
28:44
of
28:44
itself
28:45
and
28:45
aware
28:45
of
28:46
manifestation
28:47
and
28:47
the
28:48
source
28:48
of
28:48
manifestation.
28:49
And
28:50
that
28:50
way
28:51
the
28:51
Absolute
28:52
get
28:52
to
28:53
recognize
28:53
itself,
28:54
know
28:54
itself,
28:55
wake
28:55
up
28:56
to
28:56
itself.
28:57
It's
28:58
going
28:58
to
28:58
wake
28:58
up
28:58
to
28:59
itself.
28:59
Cannot
29:00
do
29:00
it
29:00
anonymously.
29:02
Actually,
29:03
I'm
29:03
going
29:03
to
29:04
publish
29:04
a
29:04
whole
29:04
book
29:05
about
29:05
the
29:05
phenomenology
29:06
of
29:07
spirituality
29:08
which
29:08
I'm
29:09
basically
29:10
how
29:10
this
29:10
teaching
29:11
has
29:11
a
29:12
philosophical
29:13
dimension
29:13
to
29:13
it
29:14
which
29:14
I
29:14
haven't
29:15
written
29:16
about
29:16
a
29:17
book
29:17
being
29:17
edited
29:18
about.
29:18
That
29:19
which
29:19
is
29:19
the
29:19
phenomenology
29:20
is
29:21
that
29:21
there
29:22
is.
29:22
How
29:22
do
29:23
you
29:23
explain
29:24
the
29:24
different
29:25
individual
29:25
characteristic
29:26
of
29:27
experience,
29:28
how
29:28
to
29:28
account
29:28
for
29:29
them?
29:30
And
29:30
we
29:30
see
29:30
that
29:31
you
29:31
cannot
29:31
account
29:31
for
29:32
them
29:32
without
29:32
something
29:33
like
29:33
individual
29:34
consciousness.
29:34
That
29:35
many
29:35
teaching
29:36
call
29:36
this
29:36
all.
29:37
Yeah.
29:38
And
29:38
that's
29:38
certainly
29:39
been
29:39
a
29:39
kind
29:40
of
29:40
organizing
29:41
theme
29:42
throughout
29:42
this
29:42
whole.
29:43
The
29:43
whole
29:44
journey
29:44
you
29:44
lay
29:45
out.
29:45
I
29:45
mean,
29:45
that
29:46
is
29:46
really
29:46
the
29:47
subtitle
29:48
this
29:48
book.
29:49
It's
29:49
soul's
29:50
realization
29:50
of
29:50
the
29:51
unity
29:51
of
29:51
reality.
29:52
It's.
29:52
One
29:52
could
29:52
say
29:53
yes.
29:53
And
29:53
you
29:53
say
29:53
yes,
29:54
reality
29:54
wakes
29:55
up
29:55
to
29:55
itself
29:55
or
29:56
the
29:56
Absolute
29:56
awakens.
29:57
But
29:57
more
29:58
specifically
29:58
you
29:59
do.
29:59
The
30:00
central
30:00
theme
30:00
is
30:01
that
30:01
this
30:01
is
30:01
the
30:02
journey
30:02
of
30:02
the
30:03
Individual
30:03
soul
30:04
to
30:04
the
30:05
recognition
30:05
of
30:05
its
30:06
true
30:06
nature
30:06
and
30:06
source.
30:07
And
30:07
then
30:08
the
30:08
return
30:08
into
30:09
individual
30:10
supposed
30:11
individuality.
30:14
And
30:14
you
30:14
realize
30:14
that
30:15
you
30:15
were
30:15
always
30:15
home
30:15
in
30:16
the
30:16
first
30:16
place.
30:16
Yeah.
30:17
I
30:17
mean,
30:18
when
30:18
we
30:18
are
30:18
in
30:19
the
30:19
Absolute,
30:19
we
30:19
recognize
30:20
we've
30:20
always
30:21
been
30:21
the
30:21
Absolute,
30:22
all
30:23
our
30:23
true
30:24
nature
30:25
and
30:25
we
30:26
just
30:26
weren't
30:27
aware
30:27
of
30:27
it.
30:27
So
30:28
here
30:28
we're
30:28
aware
30:29
of
30:29
it.
30:30
That
30:30
is
30:30
the
30:30
view
30:31
from
30:31
the
30:31
perspective
30:32
of
30:32
the
30:32
Absolute,
30:33
from
30:34
other
30:34
perspectives,
30:36
other
30:36
places,
30:36
different
30:37
perspectives.
30:39
We
30:39
have
30:39
to
30:39
remember
30:40
we
30:40
are
30:40
dealing
30:41
in
30:41
this
30:41
book.
30:42
We
30:43
end
30:43
in
30:43
this
30:43
book
30:43
with
30:44
a
30:44
non
30:44
dual
30:45
perspective.
30:46
But
30:46
there
30:47
are
30:47
other
30:47
perspectives
30:48
that
30:48
not
30:48
included
30:49
in
30:49
this
30:49
book.
30:51
So
30:51
what
30:51
the
30:51
reality
30:52
is
30:52
in
30:53
this
30:53
book
30:53
is
30:54
different
30:54
from
30:54
the
30:54
reality
30:55
appears
30:56
from
30:56
different
30:56
perspectives.
30:58
And
30:58
you
30:58
call
30:58
this
30:59
co.
30:59
Emergent,
31:00
non
31:00
duality.
31:01
Yes.
31:02
Understands
31:02
that
31:03
all
31:03
the
31:03
dimensions
31:03
are
31:04
co.
31:04
Emergent
31:05
meaning
31:05
inseparable
31:06
from
31:06
each
31:06
other.
31:07
Yeah,
31:08
yeah.
31:08
And
31:09
you
31:09
give
31:09
a
31:10
beautiful
31:10
description
31:11
of
31:11
this,
31:11
Hameed,
31:11
in
31:12
talking
31:12
about
31:12
that
31:13
the
31:14
all
31:14
these
31:15
dimensions
31:15
are
31:16
arising
31:17
and
31:18
manifesting
31:19
as
31:20
we
31:20
recognized
31:20
as
31:21
the
31:21
physical
31:21
world
31:22
and
31:22
energy.
31:23
And
31:23
there's
31:24
an
31:24
exquisite
31:25
harmony
31:26
to
31:26
it
31:26
orchestrated,
31:27
as
31:28
you
31:28
say,
31:28
by
31:29
boundless
31:30
intelligence.
31:31
Yes.
31:32
As
31:33
we
31:34
have
31:34
our
31:35
stand
31:36
in
31:36
the
31:36
Absolute.
31:37
All
31:38
is
31:38
harmony.
31:39
All
31:39
is
31:40
harmony.
31:41
Intelligence,
31:42
love,
31:43
all
31:43
of
31:43
that.
31:43
Of
31:44
course,
31:44
most
31:44
of
31:44
the
31:44
people
31:45
who
31:45
not
31:46
living
31:46
there
31:47
say,
31:47
what
31:47
are
31:47
you
31:47
talking
31:47
about?
31:48
Where
31:48
is
31:48
the
31:48
harmony
31:48
in
31:49
the
31:49
world?
31:49
And
31:49
many
31:50
people
31:50
actually,
31:50
when
31:51
I
31:51
talk
31:51
about
31:52
this
31:52
universal
31:53
harmony,
31:53
they
31:53
bring
31:54
up
31:54
that
31:54
question,
31:55
what
31:55
do
31:55
you
31:55
mean
31:55
there's
31:56
harmony?
31:56
There's
31:56
so
31:56
much
31:57
trouble.
32:00
And
32:01
well,
32:01
when
32:01
I
32:01
say
32:02
it's
32:02
all
32:02
harmony,
32:02
I
32:03
don't
32:03
negate
32:03
the
32:04
experience
32:04
of
32:04
other
32:04
people.
32:05
Yes.
32:06
Depending
32:07
on
32:07
where
32:07
we
32:08
are,
32:08
we
32:08
stand.
32:09
The
32:09
harmony
32:10
from
32:11
the
32:11
perspective
32:11
of
32:11
the
32:11
Absolute
32:12
is
32:12
like
32:13
the
32:13
harmony
32:13
of
32:14
elementary
32:14
particles.
32:15
They
32:15
don't
32:16
have
32:16
disharmony.
32:17
If
32:18
you
32:18
go
32:18
the
32:18
physical
32:19
world
32:19
to
32:20
the
32:20
level
32:20
of
32:20
quarks,
32:21
for
32:21
instance,
32:22
there's
32:22
no
32:23
such
32:23
thing
32:23
as
32:23
disharmony.
32:24
Everything
32:24
is
32:25
just
32:25
all
32:27
pristine.
32:27
Just
32:28
that.
32:28
Elementary
32:29
forces,
32:29
elementary
32:30
particles.
32:31
And
32:31
there's
32:32
no
32:32
such
32:32
thing
32:32
as
32:33
sick
32:33
electrons
32:34
or
32:36
negressive
32:37
cork
32:37
or
32:37
anything
32:38
like
32:38
that.
32:39
They're
32:40
all
32:40
just
32:40
what
32:40
they
32:41
are.
32:41
It's
32:41
the
32:41
same
32:42
thing.
32:42
If
32:42
you
32:42
go
32:42
to
32:42
the
32:43
spiritual
32:43
level,
32:44
everything
32:44
seems
32:45
fine,
32:46
everything.
32:47
But
32:47
that
32:47
is
32:47
looking
32:48
at
32:48
it
32:48
from
32:48
the
32:48
spiritual
32:49
dimension,
32:50
it
32:50
does
32:51
not
32:51
negate
32:52
the
32:52
world
32:52
of
32:53
people,
32:54
how
32:54
they
32:54
experience
32:54
it.
32:55
Yeah,
32:56
and
32:57
you
32:57
don't
32:57
talk
32:58
about
32:58
that
32:58
in
32:58
this
32:58
chapter.
32:59
But
32:59
I
32:59
can't
33:00
resist
33:00
the
33:00
question.
33:01
We're
33:01
talking
33:01
about,
33:02
you
33:02
know,
33:02
the
33:02
Absolute
33:03
manifesting
33:04
as
33:04
the
33:05
whole
33:05
and
33:05
the
33:05
individual.
33:06
And
33:07
we've
33:07
been
33:08
talking
33:08
about
33:08
the
33:09
waking
33:09
up
33:09
process
33:10
is
33:11
somehow
33:11
we
33:12
don't.
33:12
We
33:12
are
33:12
asleep.
33:13
We
33:13
don't
33:13
recognize
33:15
who
33:15
and
33:15
what
33:15
we
33:16
truly
33:16
are.
33:16
We're
33:16
suffering
33:17
from
33:17
a
33:17
case
33:17
of
33:18
mistaken
33:18
identity.
33:19
And
33:19
is
33:19
there
33:20
any
33:20
anything
33:21
in
33:21
your
33:21
experience
33:22
which
33:23
shows
33:23
light
33:24
on
33:25
why
33:26
the
33:26
Absolute
33:27
chooses
33:28
a
33:28
part
33:28
of
33:28
it
33:28
to
33:28
go
33:29
unconscious?
33:29
I
33:30
don't
33:30
take
33:30
the
33:30
view
33:30
that
33:31
the
33:31
Absolute
33:31
chooses
33:32
to
33:32
go
33:32
unconscious.
33:33
I
33:33
think
33:34
the
33:34
Absolute
33:35
is
33:36
inherently
33:38
not
33:38
self
33:38
aware.
33:40
The
33:40
Absolute
33:41
is
33:41
not
33:42
self
33:42
aware.
33:43
The
33:43
Absolute
33:44
is.
33:45
Well,
33:45
Nisargadam
33:46
Maharaj
33:47
actually
33:47
brings
33:48
out.
33:48
He
33:48
says,
33:49
when
33:49
I
33:49
look
33:49
at
33:49
myself,
33:51
can't
33:51
find
33:52
anything.
33:52
When
33:52
I
33:52
look
33:52
at
33:53
the
33:53
world,
33:53
I
33:53
wake
33:54
up
33:54
as
33:54
the
33:54
Absolute.
33:55
So
33:55
the
33:55
Absolute
33:56
is
33:56
like
33:56
in
33:56
deep
33:56
sleep,
33:58
divine
33:58
karma.
33:59
And
34:00
we
34:00
need
34:00
to
34:00
create
34:01
the
34:01
universe
34:02
and
34:02
the
34:02
world
34:02
and
34:03
the
34:03
soul
34:04
to
34:04
become
34:05
aware
34:05
of
34:05
itself.
34:06
That's
34:07
why
34:07
it
34:07
can't
34:07
be
34:07
aware
34:08
of
34:08
itself
34:09
without
34:09
an
34:09
individual
34:10
before
34:10
that
34:11
it's
34:11
not
34:11
aware
34:12
of
34:12
itself,
34:12
doesn't
34:12
know
34:13
itself.
34:13
Oh,
34:14
wow,
34:14
that's
34:15
a.
34:16
Now
34:16
I'm
34:16
getting
34:17
a
34:17
different
34:18
understanding.
34:18
I
34:18
didn't
34:19
appreciate
34:19
and
34:20
obviously
34:20
I
34:21
must
34:21
have
34:21
missed
34:21
something,
34:22
that
34:22
your
34:22
experience
34:23
and
34:23
assumption
34:24
is
34:24
that
34:24
the
34:24
Absolute
34:25
by
34:26
itself
34:27
is
34:27
unconscious.
34:29
I
34:29
certainly
34:30
you
34:30
make
34:30
the
34:30
point
34:31
very
34:31
clearly
34:31
that
34:32
it
34:32
needs
34:33
human
34:34
beings,
34:34
beings
34:35
to
34:36
know
34:37
aspects
34:37
of
34:38
itself.
34:38
But
34:38
I
34:39
thought
34:39
it
34:39
was
34:39
aspects
34:40
of
34:40
itself,
34:40
not
34:40
to
34:40
know
34:41
itself
34:41
at
34:42
all.
34:42
Yeah,
34:43
to
34:43
know
34:43
anything,
34:44
we
34:44
need
34:45
an
34:45
individual
34:45
consciousness.
34:47
Anything.
34:48
The
34:48
world
34:49
being
34:50
consciousness,
34:51
absolute,
34:52
we
34:52
need
34:53
an
34:53
individual
34:53
consciousness.
34:54
There's
34:54
no
34:54
other
34:55
way
34:55
because
34:55
that's
34:56
the
34:56
knowing
34:56
instrument.
34:57
Now,
34:58
isn't
34:58
that
34:58
very
34:59
different
34:59
from
35:00
a
35:00
lot
35:00
of
35:00
other
35:01
schools
35:01
all
35:01
the
35:01
way
35:01
back
35:02
to
35:02
say,
35:02
the
35:03
Aristotelian
35:04
God
35:04
which
35:05
does
35:05
nothing
35:05
but
35:06
delight
35:07
in
35:07
knowing
35:08
itself
35:08
to
35:08
Vedanta,
35:10
throughout
35:10
those.
35:10
As
35:11
I
35:11
understand
35:11
it,
35:11
there
35:12
is
35:12
a
35:12
theme
35:13
of
35:14
consciousness,
35:15
the
35:15
Absolute
35:16
knowing
35:17
itself
35:17
and
35:18
then
35:18
expressing
35:19
itself
35:19
through
35:20
manifestation
35:20
and
35:21
beings
35:22
and
35:22
coming
35:22
to
35:22
know
35:23
itself
35:23
more
35:23
fully.
35:24
So
35:25
you're
35:25
pointing
35:26
to
35:26
something
35:26
quite
35:27
different.
35:27
Sounds
35:28
like.
35:28
Well,
35:28
I
35:29
mean,
35:29
many
35:30
talk
35:31
about
35:31
the
35:32
God
35:32
or
35:32
the
35:33
Absolute
35:34
as
35:35
self
35:35
knowing.
35:35
And
35:36
I
35:36
mean
35:36
it
35:36
gives
35:37
it
35:37
all
35:37
kind
35:37
of
35:37
thing.
35:38
But
35:38
really
35:39
when
35:39
we
35:39
experience
35:39
the
35:40
Absolute,
35:41
when
35:41
I
35:41
experienced
35:41
the
35:41
Absolute,
35:42
when
35:42
I
35:43
came
35:43
to
35:43
the
35:43
Absolute,
35:44
the
35:45
entry
35:45
into
35:45
the
35:45
Absolute
35:46
is
35:46
the
35:46
loss
35:46
of
35:47
consciousness.
35:48
This
35:48
is
35:48
what's
35:48
called
35:48
the
35:49
divine
35:49
coma
35:50
or
35:50
the
35:50
cessation
35:51
of
35:52
consciousness
35:53
and
35:53
awareness.
35:54
And
35:54
later
35:55
on
35:55
I
35:55
said,
35:55
well,
35:55
so
35:56
the
35:56
soul
35:57
has
35:57
to
35:57
cease
35:58
to
35:59
get
35:59
to
35:59
the
35:59
Absolute.
36:00
And
36:00
then
36:00
waking
36:00
up,
36:01
I
36:01
experience
36:01
myself
36:02
as
36:02
the
36:02
Absolute.
36:03
But
36:03
then
36:03
I
36:03
wake
36:04
up,
36:04
it's
36:04
still
36:05
through
36:06
the
36:06
lens
36:06
of
36:06
the
36:07
soul.
36:08
So
36:09
looking
36:10
forward,
36:10
you
36:11
know,
36:11
looking
36:11
out,
36:12
I
36:13
see
36:13
the
36:13
universe
36:13
and
36:14
I'm
36:14
aware.
36:14
I
36:14
am
36:15
its
36:15
nature.
36:16
Looking
36:16
in,
36:17
Karma
36:18
comes
36:18
back
36:18
again.
36:19
Oh,
36:19
okay.
36:20
There's
36:20
no
36:20
awareness
36:20
of
36:21
anything.
36:21
And
36:22
that's
36:22
why
36:22
I
36:22
like
36:22
in
36:23
the
36:23
Sagadatta,
36:23
he
36:23
actually
36:24
stresses
36:24
that
36:25
point.
36:26
He's
36:26
one
36:26
of
36:27
the
36:27
Few
36:27
Advaita
36:28
Vedanta
36:29
who
36:29
discusses
36:29
that.
36:30
Okay,
36:30
well
36:32
this
36:33
is
36:33
giving
36:33
a
36:33
whole
36:34
different
36:34
perspective
36:34
and
36:35
understanding
36:35
because
36:36
I
36:36
hadn't
36:36
appreciated
36:37
that
36:38
this
36:38
was
36:38
nature
36:38
or
36:39
experience.
36:39
And
36:39
he
36:39
pointed
36:40
to
36:40
it.
36:40
I
36:40
think
36:41
I
36:41
just
36:41
missed
36:41
it
36:42
because
36:42
maybe
36:42
because
36:42
of
36:43
my
36:43
preconceptions.
36:44
Yeah.
36:44
I
36:44
mean
36:46
when
36:46
we
36:46
not
36:47
squarely
36:48
in
36:48
the
36:48
experience
36:49
and
36:50
not
36:50
only
36:50
in
36:51
the
36:51
experience,
36:51
when
36:52
we
36:52
are
36:52
in
36:52
the
36:52
experience
36:53
of
36:53
realization
36:53
the
36:53
absolute,
36:55
we
36:55
don't
36:55
just
36:56
experience
36:56
the
36:56
absolute.
36:56
There's
36:57
always
36:57
something
36:58
called
36:59
emptiness.
36:59
Because
37:00
absolute
37:00
nature
37:01
is
37:01
emptiness.
37:01
There
37:02
is
37:02
no
37:02
such
37:02
thing
37:02
as
37:02
emptiness
37:03
without
37:03
an
37:03
emptiness
37:04
of
37:04
something.
37:04
And
37:05
even
37:05
Buddhas
37:06
say
37:06
that
37:06
because
37:07
emptiness
37:07
is
37:07
nothing.
37:08
Nothing
37:09
to
37:09
be
37:09
aware
37:09
of,
37:10
there's
37:10
no
37:10
content.
37:11
So
37:11
to
37:12
say
37:12
empty
37:12
is
37:12
aware
37:13
of
37:13
itself.
37:14
Doesn't
37:14
make
37:14
sense.
37:15
Without
37:15
manifestation
37:16
there
37:17
has
37:17
to
37:17
be
37:17
manifestation.
37:18
Without
37:19
manifestation
37:20
there
37:20
is
37:20
no
37:20
awareness.
37:21
Okay,
37:22
so
37:22
we
37:22
are.
37:22
We
37:22
are
37:22
the
37:22
absolute.
37:23
An
37:23
aspect
37:24
of
37:24
the
37:24
absolute
37:25
that
37:25
is
37:25
self
37:26
aware,
37:26
that
37:26
becomes
37:26
self
37:27
aware.
37:27
Yeah.
37:28
We
37:28
are
37:29
an
37:29
expression
37:29
absolute.
37:30
We
37:30
are,
37:30
it's.
37:30
I
37:31
mean
37:31
as
37:31
individuals.
37:33
So
37:33
we
37:33
are
37:34
the
37:34
absolute.
37:35
But
37:35
we
37:35
are
37:35
also
37:36
individuation
37:38
out
37:38
of
37:38
the
37:38
absolute
37:39
as
37:40
an
37:40
instrument
37:41
of
37:41
perception
37:42
for
37:42
the
37:42
absolute.
37:42
For
37:43
the
37:43
absolute
37:43
to
37:44
be
37:44
aware
37:44
of
37:44
itself
37:44
and
37:45
aware
37:45
of
37:45
everything
37:45
else
37:46
too.
37:46
In
37:47
the
37:47
absolutes
37:47
I'm
37:48
aware
37:48
of
37:48
the
37:48
whole
37:48
universe
37:49
aware
37:49
of
37:49
you,
37:49
the
37:50
walls
37:50
and
37:50
everything
37:51
as
37:51
my
37:51
own
37:52
exteriority,
37:54
as
37:54
my
37:54
radiance.
37:55
But
37:56
there's
37:56
no
37:56
radiance,
37:57
there's
37:58
no
37:58
manifestation.
37:59
There
37:59
is
37:59
nothing
38:00
to
38:00
be
38:01
what
38:01
is
38:01
called
38:01
divine
38:02
coma.
38:02
Well,
38:03
that
38:03
gives
38:03
a
38:03
whole
38:03
new
38:04
meaning
38:05
and
38:05
significance
38:06
to
38:06
a
38:07
phrase
38:07
you've
38:08
quoted
38:08
a
38:08
number
38:08
of
38:09
Hameed
38:10
that
38:10
you
38:10
quoted
38:11
Muhammad.
38:11
When
38:12
I
38:12
think
38:12
in
38:12
one
38:12
of
38:12
the
38:12
Hadith
38:13
that
38:13
I
38:14
was
38:14
a
38:14
hidden
38:14
treasure
38:15
and
38:15
I
38:15
longed
38:15
to
38:15
be
38:15
known.
38:16
Yeah.
38:17
And
38:17
now
38:17
it's
38:18
taking
38:18
on
38:18
a
38:18
whole
38:18
new
38:19
meaning
38:19
in
38:19
life.
38:19
That's
38:20
exactly
38:20
what
38:20
they
38:20
mean.
38:21
Ah,
38:22
okay.
38:23
I
38:23
want.
38:23
He
38:24
knows.
38:24
I
38:24
mean
38:24
he
38:24
didn't
38:25
know.
38:25
Nobody
38:26
excluding
38:27
God
38:28
itself
38:28
wouldn't
38:29
know
38:29
itself
38:30
or
38:30
created
38:31
the
38:31
universe,
38:32
created
38:32
the
38:33
world
38:34
and
38:34
the
38:34
souls
38:35
in
38:35
it
38:35
to
38:35
know
38:35
itself.
38:37
I
38:37
mean
38:37
another,
38:38
you
38:38
know,
38:38
another
38:39
thing
38:39
Ibn
38:39
Arabi
38:40
said
38:41
differently.
38:42
Ibn
38:42
Arabi,
38:42
one
38:43
of
38:43
the
38:43
great
38:43
Sufis,
38:44
called
38:44
the
38:44
greatest
38:44
Sufi.
38:46
He
38:46
said
38:47
God
38:48
needs
38:48
the
38:49
soul
38:49
just
38:50
as
38:50
the
38:50
soul
38:50
needs
38:51
God.
38:52
The
38:52
soul
38:53
needs
38:53
God
38:54
to
38:54
exist.
38:55
And
38:55
God
38:56
needs
38:56
the
38:56
soul
38:57
to
38:57
know
38:57
itself.
38:57
Yeah.
38:59
And
38:59
going
39:00
back
39:00
to
39:00
the
39:00
inner
39:00
beloved,
39:01
the
39:01
love
39:01
is
39:02
a
39:02
two
39:02
way
39:02
street,
39:03
right?
39:04
Yeah.
39:04
The
39:05
individual
39:06
coming
39:07
back
39:07
God.
39:08
Until
39:08
it's
39:09
just,
39:10
it's
39:10
just,
39:10
it's
39:11
just
39:11
love.
39:11
Yeah.
39:12
There's
39:13
one
39:13
love
39:13
appearing
39:14
from
39:14
two
39:14
different
39:15
places.
39:16
Yes.
39:17
And
39:17
meets
39:17
when
39:18
dragonizes
39:18
that.
39:20
And,
39:20
and
39:20
you
39:21
also
39:21
talk
39:21
about
39:21
God
39:22
in
39:22
this
39:22
chapter
39:23
and
39:24
it's.
39:24
It's
39:24
Very
39:24
interesting.
39:25
I
39:25
find
39:26
it.
39:26
And
39:26
you
39:26
even
39:26
talk
39:26
about
39:27
the
39:28
issue
39:28
of
39:29
personal
39:29
God.
39:30
Is
39:30
there
39:30
a
39:30
personal
39:31
God?
39:32
And
39:33
many
39:33
traditions,
39:33
people
39:34
for
39:34
thousands
39:34
of
39:34
years
39:35
have
39:35
felt
39:35
that
39:36
personal
39:36
connection
39:36
with.
39:38
With
39:38
God
39:38
or
39:38
with
39:38
other
39:39
gods.
39:39
Before
39:39
we
39:40
were
39:40
monotheistic.
39:42
But
39:42
you
39:43
said
39:43
it
39:43
can
39:43
get
39:43
very
39:43
convoluted
39:44
trying
39:44
to
39:44
convince
39:45
people
39:45
of
39:45
that.
39:45
So
39:46
we
39:46
have
39:46
to
39:46
rely
39:46
pretty
39:47
much
39:47
on
39:47
our
39:47
own
39:48
personal
39:48
experience.
39:50
And
39:50
of
39:51
this,
39:52
if
39:52
you
39:52
have
39:52
a
39:52
personal
39:52
experience
39:53
of
39:53
God,
39:54
then
39:54
you
39:54
have
39:54
a
39:54
personal
39:54
God.
39:56
And
39:56
you
39:56
talked
39:56
about
39:57
earlier
39:57
about
39:57
waking
39:58
up
39:58
to
39:59
the
39:59
all.
40:00
But
40:00
at
40:00
the
40:01
same
40:01
time
40:01
this
40:01
perception
40:02
is
40:03
very
40:03
intimate.
40:04
So
40:04
in
40:04
one
40:05
sense
40:05
it
40:05
is
40:05
very
40:05
personal
40:06
because
40:06
the
40:06
individual
40:07
soul
40:07
is
40:08
experiencing
40:08
it
40:09
personally.
40:10
Yeah.
40:12
So
40:12
this
40:12
chapter
40:13
of
40:13
our
40:14
reality
40:15
basically
40:15
brings
40:16
in
40:16
a
40:16
culmination
40:18
perspective
40:18
that
40:18
puts
40:19
everything
40:19
in
40:20
context,
40:21
the
40:21
whole
40:22
book
40:22
in
40:22
context,
40:23
which
40:23
is
40:23
really
40:24
a
40:24
theme
40:25
that's
40:25
been
40:25
dealt
40:25
with
40:26
by
40:26
many
40:27
philosophers
40:28
and
40:28
theologians.
40:29
What
40:29
are
40:29
the
40:30
relationship
40:30
between
40:31
the
40:31
human
40:31
being,
40:32
the
40:32
world
40:33
and
40:34
God?
40:34
These
40:35
are
40:35
the
40:35
trinity
40:36
of
40:37
world,
40:38
soul
40:39
and
40:39
God
40:40
or
40:41
individual
40:42
reality
40:43
and
40:43
God.
40:43
Most
40:44
of
40:44
the
40:44
tradition
40:44
that
40:45
is
40:45
very.
40:46
And
40:46
that's
40:47
why
40:47
I
40:47
think
40:47
this
40:48
chapter
40:48
is
40:48
my
40:48
attempt
40:49
at
40:49
theology,
40:50
you
40:50
see.
40:51
But
40:52
it
40:52
is
40:52
a
40:52
mystical
40:53
theology
40:53
theology
40:55
not
40:56
by
40:56
reason,
40:57
but
40:57
by
40:58
mystical
40:58
experience.
40:59
How
41:00
mystical
41:00
experience
41:01
have
41:02
a
41:02
theology.
41:03
And
41:04
the
41:04
theology
41:04
is
41:05
to
41:05
see
41:05
the
41:05
relation
41:06
between
41:06
those
41:07
three
41:07
things
41:08
which
41:09
are
41:09
mystery
41:10
for
41:10
many
41:11
philosophers
41:11
and
41:12
many
41:12
philosophers
41:13
dealt
41:13
with
41:13
in
41:13
the
41:13
Western
41:14
tradition.
41:15
And
41:16
because
41:16
in
41:17
the
41:17
Western
41:17
tradition
41:18
there
41:18
is.
41:19
The
41:20
religions
41:20
are
41:20
based
41:21
on
41:21
God.
41:21
There
41:22
is
41:22
a
41:22
God,
41:23
there
41:23
is
41:23
a
41:23
deity
41:24
that
41:25
created
41:25
the
41:25
world.
41:26
And
41:27
the
41:27
spirituality
41:28
is
41:28
a
41:28
personal
41:29
relationship
41:29
to
41:30
a
41:30
God.
41:31
That's
41:32
what's
41:32
called
41:32
a
41:32
personal
41:32
God.
41:33
Personal
41:33
God
41:33
doesn't
41:34
mean
41:34
everybody
41:34
got
41:34
their
41:34
own
41:35
God.
41:35
It
41:36
means
41:36
a
41:36
personal
41:36
relationship
41:37
to
41:37
God.
41:37
I
41:38
mean,
41:38
maybe
41:40
the
41:40
Indians
41:41
in
41:41
India,
41:41
they
41:41
might
41:41
have
41:42
many
41:42
gods,
41:42
but
41:43
here
41:43
we
41:43
have
41:43
only
41:43
one
41:44
God.
41:45
We
41:45
got
41:46
a
41:46
bargain.
41:46
We're
41:47
not
41:47
personifying
41:48
God
41:49
by
41:49
having
41:49
a
41:49
personal
41:49
relationship.
41:50
We're
41:51
not
41:51
saying
41:51
Sistine
41:52
Chapel
41:52
God,
41:53
you
41:53
know,
41:53
the
41:53
old
41:53
guy
41:54
who's
41:54
really
41:54
well
41:55
built
41:55
with
41:55
a
41:55
white
41:56
beard
41:56
is
41:56
the.
41:57
Chapter
41:57
going
41:57
into
41:58
detail
41:58
of
41:58
how
41:59
this
41:59
teaching
42:00
sees
42:00
it.
42:01
It's
42:01
a
42:01
personal
42:02
God.
42:02
How
42:03
is
42:03
it
42:03
possible
42:03
to
42:04
have
42:04
a
42:04
personal
42:04
guide
42:05
when
42:06
reality
42:07
is
42:07
such
42:08
that
42:08
it
42:08
is
42:09
co
42:10
emergent,
42:10
non
42:11
duality
42:12
of
42:12
all
42:12
dimension,
42:13
of
42:13
all
42:13
reality
42:14
as
42:14
one
42:14
thing.
42:15
Consciousness
42:15
aware
42:17
physical
42:17
world,
42:17
humanity,
42:18
all
42:19
one
42:20
indivisible
42:20
unity.
42:22
And
42:22
that
42:22
is
42:23
usually
42:24
when
42:24
seen
42:24
from
42:25
that
42:25
perspective,
42:26
non
42:26
the
42:26
world
42:26
perspective,
42:26
it's
42:27
impersonal.
42:27
You
42:28
can't
42:28
say
42:29
the
42:29
Absolute
42:29
is
42:30
personal,
42:30
you
42:31
know.
42:31
So
42:31
I
42:32
go
42:32
to
42:32
some
42:33
kind
42:34
of
42:34
experiences
42:35
of
42:35
the
42:35
Absolute
42:36
of
42:36
how
42:37
can
42:37
there
42:37
be
42:38
personalness
42:39
to
42:39
this
42:40
impersonal.
42:41
And
42:41
that's
42:42
why
42:42
I
42:42
bring
42:43
in
42:43
the
42:43
personal
42:44
quality,
42:45
which
42:46
is
42:47
one
42:47
of
42:47
the.
42:48
Just
42:49
like
42:49
as
42:49
the
42:49
absolute
42:50
or
42:50
pure
42:51
being
42:52
can
42:52
differentiate
42:53
itself
42:53
into
42:53
many
42:54
qualities,
42:55
you
42:55
know,
42:55
like
42:55
love
42:56
and
42:56
compassion,
42:57
it
42:57
also
42:58
manifest
42:58
itself
42:59
as
42:59
a
42:59
personal
42:59
quality.
43:01
How
43:01
to
43:01
be
43:01
personal
43:02
personal
43:03
without.
43:04
Without
43:04
it
43:05
being
43:06
a
43:06
personalness
43:06
of
43:07
history.
43:08
Quality
43:08
is
43:09
a
43:09
feeling.
43:09
It's
43:09
just
43:09
personal.
43:11
And
43:11
that's
43:11
the
43:11
whole
43:12
book.
43:12
Pearl
43:13
Beyond
43:13
Price
43:13
focuses
43:14
on
43:14
that.
43:15
And
43:16
the
43:16
end
43:16
of
43:16
the
43:16
Pearl
43:17
Beyond
43:17
Price.
43:18
I
43:18
talk
43:18
about
43:18
the
43:19
boundless
43:19
dimension,
43:20
nondile
43:20
dimension,
43:20
how
43:21
personalness
43:23
appears
43:23
there,
43:24
which
43:24
is
43:24
the
43:25
personalization
43:26
of
43:26
those
43:27
dimensions
43:27
which
43:28
is
43:28
like
43:30
a
43:30
dimension
43:31
of
43:32
pure
43:32
presence,
43:32
which
43:33
is
43:33
colorless
43:35
fullness
43:36
of
43:37
infinite
43:37
presence.
43:39
However,
43:41
what
43:41
I
43:41
didn't
43:42
discuss
43:42
when
43:42
I
43:43
discussing
43:43
that
43:43
chapter
43:45
that
43:45
this
43:45
colorless
43:46
can
43:47
take.
43:47
Color
43:48
can
43:49
express,
43:49
can
43:50
manifest
43:50
itself
43:51
in
43:51
one
43:51
of
43:52
the
43:52
colors
43:52
of
43:52
its
43:52
qualities.
43:54
Can
43:54
be
43:54
blue
43:55
supreme,
43:55
can
43:56
be
43:56
golden
43:57
supreme,
43:58
can
43:58
be
43:58
black
43:59
supreme.
44:00
It
44:00
also
44:00
can
44:01
be
44:01
pearly
44:01
supreme.
44:02
The
44:02
pearly
44:03
supreme
44:04
is
44:06
supreme.
44:08
That
44:08
feels
44:08
personal.
44:10
The
44:11
feeling
44:11
of
44:11
it
44:11
is
44:12
personal.
44:12
There's
44:13
a
44:13
personalness
44:14
to
44:14
the
44:14
way
44:14
it
44:14
is.
44:17
So
44:17
I
44:17
see
44:18
personal
44:18
God.
44:20
That
44:20
doesn't
44:20
mean
44:20
that
44:21
the
44:21
only
44:21
way
44:21
God
44:22
be
44:22
seen.
44:22
In
44:22
this
44:23
teaching.
44:23
I
44:24
try
44:24
how
44:24
in
44:25
this
44:25
teaching
44:25
we
44:25
can
44:26
have
44:26
a
44:26
personal
44:26
God.
44:27
A
44:27
personal
44:27
relationship
44:28
to
44:28
God
44:28
which
44:29
is
44:29
that
44:29
the
44:30
impersonal
44:31
can
44:32
attain
44:32
a
44:32
personal
44:33
quality.
44:34
It
44:35
can't
44:35
be
44:35
impersonal,
44:36
but
44:36
it
44:36
can
44:36
also
44:37
be
44:37
personal.
44:38
You
44:38
see,
44:39
most
44:39
non
44:39
devil
44:39
teaching
44:40
don't
44:41
refer
44:41
to
44:41
the
44:41
personalness
44:43
of
44:43
it.
44:43
Usually
44:44
they
44:45
leave
44:45
it
44:45
impersonal.
44:46
Well,
44:46
the
44:46
fact
44:46
that
44:47
we
44:47
can
44:48
be
44:48
personal
44:48
with
44:49
each
44:49
other.
44:49
We've
44:49
had
44:50
these
44:50
many
44:50
conversations
44:51
and
44:51
it
44:51
gets
44:51
pretty
44:52
personal.
44:52
One
44:53
could
44:53
therefore
44:53
infer
44:55
that
44:55
because
44:55
we
44:56
can
44:56
be
44:56
personal.
44:56
Therefore
44:57
that's
44:57
the
44:57
absolute
44:58
being
44:58
personal
44:59
personal.
44:59
So
45:00
yeah,
45:01
absolutely.
45:01
I
45:02
mean,
45:02
just
45:02
like
45:02
in
45:02
the
45:02
path
45:03
of
45:03
love
45:03
and
45:03
we
45:04
love
45:05
the
45:05
soul
45:06
loves
45:06
the
45:08
inner
45:08
beloved
45:09
without
45:09
knowing
45:09
whether.
45:10
And
45:10
then
45:10
when
45:10
you
45:10
get
45:11
closer,
45:11
the
45:11
beloved
45:12
also
45:13
loves
45:13
the
45:14
soul.
45:15
Love
45:16
is
45:16
mutual.
45:17
So
45:17
the
45:18
inner
45:18
beloved
45:19
in
45:19
its
45:19
vastness
45:19
is
45:20
loving
45:20
that
45:21
particular
45:22
individual
45:23
soul
45:23
that
45:23
loves
45:23
it.
45:24
The
45:25
love
45:25
is
45:25
mutual
45:25
until
45:26
we
45:26
recognize
45:26
it's
45:26
just
45:27
one
45:27
love
45:28
expressing
45:29
itself
45:29
from
45:29
two
45:30
directions.
45:31
So
45:32
yeah,
45:32
I
45:33
mean
45:33
the
45:33
personal
45:34
is
45:34
already
45:34
there
45:35
in
45:35
our
45:36
beloved
45:36
perspective
45:37
path
45:38
of
45:38
the
45:38
heart.
45:39
So
45:39
in
45:39
this
45:39
teaching
45:40
I
45:40
try
45:40
to
45:42
one
45:42
way
45:42
of
45:43
recognizing
45:43
it.
45:44
How
45:44
to
45:45
have
45:45
a
45:45
personal
45:46
God
45:46
and
45:46
personal
45:47
relating
45:47
to
45:47
God.
45:48
Recognize
45:49
that
45:49
pure
45:50
being
45:50
or
45:50
the
45:51
absolute
45:52
can
45:52
appear
45:53
as
45:53
a
45:53
personal
45:54
in
45:54
a
45:54
personal
45:55
way.
45:55
In
45:56
a
45:56
sense
45:56
has
45:56
a
45:56
personal
45:57
quality.
45:58
And
45:58
seen
45:58
not
45:59
only
45:59
personal
45:59
quality,
46:00
but
46:00
also
46:01
with
46:02
functionality
46:03
and
46:04
intelligence
46:05
creative.
46:06
And
46:07
that
46:08
way
46:08
the
46:09
individual
46:09
soul
46:09
can
46:10
have
46:10
a
46:10
relationship
46:11
to.
46:11
That
46:12
can
46:13
continue
46:13
to
46:13
be
46:13
an
46:14
individual
46:14
soul.
46:15
So
46:15
the
46:15
individual
46:16
soul
46:17
can
46:17
relate
46:18
to
46:18
the
46:19
to
46:19
the
46:19
ground
46:20
of
46:20
being.
46:21
In
46:21
a
46:21
personal
46:21
way
46:22
and
46:23
can
46:23
recognize
46:23
that
46:24
because
46:24
it
46:25
has
46:25
inherent
46:25
in
46:26
it
46:26
the
46:26
possibility
46:26
of
46:27
being
46:27
personal.
46:28
You
46:29
see,
46:29
the
46:30
Western
46:31
tradition,
46:32
they
46:32
make
46:32
God
46:33
as
46:34
something
46:35
personal
46:35
God.
46:36
And
46:36
it
46:37
is
46:37
in
46:37
theology
46:38
they
46:38
don't
46:38
know
46:39
what
46:39
that
46:39
is.
46:40
Right.
46:40
There
46:40
is
46:40
no
46:41
definition.
46:41
What
46:41
is
46:42
this
46:42
personal
46:42
God?
46:43
Nobody
46:43
sees
46:43
personal
46:44
God.
46:45
You
46:45
see,
46:46
you
46:46
relate
46:47
to
46:47
personal
46:47
God.
46:48
You
46:48
know,
46:48
you
46:48
have
46:49
a
46:49
personal
46:49
relation
46:49
to
46:50
God,
46:50
even
46:50
though
46:51
you
46:51
don't
46:51
know
46:51
what
46:51
God
46:52
is.
46:52
Only
46:53
until
46:53
you
46:53
get
46:53
to
46:54
the
46:54
mystic,
46:54
like
46:54
Meister
46:55
Eckhart
46:56
talk
46:56
about
46:56
the
46:57
infinity
46:57
of
46:57
being
46:58
and
46:58
all
46:58
of
46:58
that.
46:59
And
47:00
the
47:00
church
47:01
doesn't
47:01
like
47:01
him
47:02
talk
47:02
about
47:02
that,
47:02
you
47:03
remember.
47:04
But
47:04
you
47:04
know,
47:05
but
47:05
the
47:05
mystic
47:05
get
47:06
into
47:06
it
47:07
that
47:07
the
47:07
presence
47:07
of
47:08
God
47:08
is
47:08
basically
47:09
not
47:09
separate
47:09
from
47:11
being
47:12
the
47:12
ground
47:12
of
47:13
the
47:13
universe.
47:14
There's
47:15
infinity.
47:16
So
47:17
the
47:17
fact
47:17
that
47:18
the
47:18
vastness
47:19
of
47:19
reality
47:20
can
47:20
have
47:20
a
47:20
personal
47:21
quality
47:22
can
47:22
be
47:22
seen
47:22
that
47:23
that
47:23
is
47:23
one
47:23
way
47:24
of
47:24
recognizing
47:25
what
47:25
a
47:26
personal
47:26
God
47:26
is.
47:27
And
47:27
that
47:28
is
47:28
knowable
47:29
by
47:29
the
47:29
soul,
47:30
you
47:31
see,
47:32
and
47:32
the
47:32
soul
47:33
can
47:34
have
47:35
a
47:35
layer
47:35
to
47:36
it
47:36
where
47:36
it
47:36
merges
47:37
and
47:37
disappears
47:37
in
47:38
it,
47:38
becomes
47:39
one
47:39
with
47:39
it.
47:39
Or
47:40
it
47:40
could
47:40
continue
47:40
just
47:41
having
47:41
a
47:41
connection
47:42
to
47:42
it,
47:42
a
47:42
relationship
47:43
to
47:43
it,
47:43
because
47:44
it
47:44
hasn't
47:45
yet
47:45
completely
47:46
dissolved
47:46
into
47:47
it.
47:47
To
47:47
dissolve
47:48
into
47:48
it
47:48
is
47:49
mean
47:49
complete
47:50
dissolving
47:50
in
47:51
the
47:51
beloved,
47:51
which,
47:52
you
47:52
know,
47:52
Rumi
47:53
said
47:54
that
47:54
is
47:54
the
47:54
goal.
47:55
It
47:55
is
47:56
apparent,
47:57
but
47:58
not
47:58
in
47:58
this
47:58
teaching.
47:59
You
47:59
dissolve
48:00
at
48:00
the
48:00
summit,
48:01
but
48:01
then
48:01
you
48:02
come
48:03
back
48:03
into
48:03
the
48:04
world
48:04
transformed.
48:05
And
48:05
that's
48:06
where
48:06
the
48:06
path
48:07
keeps
48:07
going.
48:07
Yeah,
48:08
I
48:08
mean,
48:08
Arab,
48:09
you
48:09
say
48:09
the
48:09
same
48:09
thing
48:10
too,
48:11
that
48:11
you
48:11
come
48:11
back
48:12
to
48:12
the
48:12
way.
48:12
He
48:12
doesn't
48:12
say
48:12
you
48:13
dissolve
48:13
and
48:13
gone,
48:14
otherwise
48:15
you
48:15
die.
48:17
Since
48:17
you
48:17
live
48:18
there,
48:18
obviously
48:18
there
48:19
is,
48:19
you
48:19
know,
48:20
a
48:20
person,
48:22
the
48:22
absolute
48:23
or
48:23
the
48:24
divine
48:25
lives
48:26
as
48:26
the
48:26
individual.
48:28
In
48:28
fact,
48:29
that
48:29
is
48:30
one
48:30
function
48:30
of
48:31
the
48:31
individual
48:32
is
48:32
for
48:33
the
48:34
boundless,
48:35
the
48:35
infinite,
48:37
to
48:37
have
48:37
a
48:38
personal
48:38
life,
48:40
experience
48:40
itself
48:41
as
48:41
living
48:42
and
48:42
moving
48:43
and
48:43
talking
48:44
and
48:44
all
48:44
of
48:44
that,
48:45
you
48:45
know.
48:46
But
48:46
it
48:46
seems
48:46
that
48:46
we're
48:47
moved
48:47
beyond
48:47
the
48:47
dissolution
48:48
of
48:48
the
48:48
individual
48:49
self.
48:49
You
48:49
talked
48:49
about
48:50
earlier,
48:50
the
48:51
death
48:51
wish,
48:52
where.
48:52
Yeah,
48:53
yeah.
48:53
I
48:53
mean,
48:53
the
48:54
self,
48:54
separate
48:55
self
48:55
is
48:55
dissolved.
48:56
It
48:56
is
48:56
the
48:56
soul,
48:57
the
48:57
soul
48:57
which
48:58
is
48:58
a
48:58
wave
48:58
of
48:59
the
48:59
ocean,
49:00
but
49:00
still
49:01
maintaining
49:02
its
49:02
quality
49:02
as
49:02
a
49:03
wave,
49:03
as
49:03
a
49:04
particularization.
49:06
But
49:06
in
49:07
this
49:07
perspective,
49:08
living
49:09
as
49:09
an
49:09
individual
49:10
but
49:10
not
49:11
separate
49:11
from
49:11
the
49:11
ground,
49:12
you
49:13
realize
49:13
you
49:14
are
49:14
an
49:14
emanation,
49:15
an
49:15
expression
49:15
of
49:15
the
49:16
ground.
49:16
You
49:16
continue
49:16
to
49:17
be
49:17
connected
49:18
to
49:18
the
49:18
ground,
49:18
not
49:19
separate
49:19
individual.
49:20
And
49:21
that
49:21
is
49:21
one
49:21
thing
49:22
that
49:22
I
49:22
think
49:23
many
49:23
in
49:23
the
49:23
non
49:24
dual
49:24
teaching
49:25
don't
49:25
anticipate,
49:26
which
49:26
is
49:27
you
49:27
can't
49:27
be
49:27
individual
49:28
without
49:28
being
49:29
separate.
49:29
Yeah,
49:30
many
49:31
non
49:31
dual
49:32
meaning.
49:32
Individual
49:33
means
49:33
separate
49:34
and
49:34
which
49:35
I
49:35
don't
49:36
I
49:36
don't
49:36
understand.
49:36
Why
49:37
don't
49:37
they
49:37
see
49:37
it?
49:38
I
49:38
mean,
49:38
seeing
49:38
that
49:38
I
49:39
experience,
49:39
many
49:40
people
49:40
experience
49:40
it
49:40
can
49:41
be
49:41
an
49:41
individual
49:41
and
49:41
not
49:42
separate,
49:43
just
49:43
like
49:43
a
49:43
wave
49:44
is
49:44
individual
49:45
but
49:45
not
49:45
separate,
49:46
you
49:46
know,
49:47
and
49:48
in
49:48
fact,
49:48
you
49:48
need
49:49
that
49:49
individual,
49:50
individual
49:51
manifestation
49:52
to
49:52
have
49:52
experience.
49:53
And
49:54
you
49:54
say
49:54
in
49:54
this
49:55
chapter
49:55
that
49:56
the
49:56
goal
49:57
of
49:57
the
49:58
mature
50:00
individual
50:00
soul
50:01
is
50:02
to
50:02
serve
50:02
the
50:03
absolute
50:04
and
50:04
to
50:04
manifest
50:05
the
50:05
absolute
50:06
in
50:06
service.
50:07
Well,
50:08
just
50:08
as
50:08
Roger
50:09
was
50:09
reminding
50:10
us
50:10
of
50:10
the
50:10
Sufi
50:11
thing,
50:16
Prophetic
50:16
saying
50:17
that
50:17
I
50:18
created
50:19
the
50:19
world
50:20
to
50:21
know
50:21
myself.
50:23
Well,
50:23
how
50:23
it's
50:24
going
50:24
to
50:24
know
50:24
itself
50:25
through
50:26
the
50:26
individual
50:27
living
50:28
in
50:28
the
50:28
world.
50:29
So
50:29
that
50:29
means
50:30
the
50:30
function
50:30
of
50:31
the
50:31
individual
50:31
is
50:32
for
50:32
the
50:33
vastness
50:34
to
50:34
know
50:34
itself.
50:36
So
50:36
it
50:36
is
50:37
the
50:37
fulfillment
50:37
of
50:38
the
50:38
individual
50:39
to
50:39
know
50:40
the
50:40
vastness,
50:41
and
50:41
it
50:41
is
50:41
the
50:42
fulfillment
50:43
of
50:43
the
50:44
vastness
50:44
to
50:44
know
50:45
itself,
50:46
the
50:46
fulfillment
50:47
of
50:47
the
50:47
individual.
50:48
Because
50:48
that's
50:49
why
50:50
all
50:50
spiritual
50:50
teaching,
50:51
you
50:51
have
50:51
to
50:51
know
50:51
your
50:51
spiritual
50:52
nature
50:52
to
50:52
be
50:53
happy.
50:53
What
50:53
does
50:54
it
50:54
mean
50:54
to
50:54
be.
50:54
To
50:55
know
50:55
your
50:55
spiritual
50:55
nature
50:57
mean
50:57
you
50:59
finally
50:59
know
51:00
yourself
51:00
as
51:01
the
51:01
spiritual
51:01
nature,
51:02
and
51:02
that's
51:02
what
51:03
makes
51:03
you
51:03
happy.
51:03
But
51:03
as
51:04
knowing
51:04
yourself
51:04
as
51:05
spiritual
51:05
nature,
51:05
you
51:06
have
51:06
fulfilled
51:06
the
51:07
spiritual
51:07
nature
51:08
needing
51:08
you
51:09
to
51:09
know
51:09
itself.
51:10
So
51:10
they're
51:11
both
51:11
fulfilled
51:11
that
51:12
way
51:12
at
51:12
the
51:12
same
51:12
time.
51:13
God
51:14
fulfillment
51:14
and
51:15
the
51:15
soul
51:15
fulfillment
51:16
are
51:16
one
51:16
and
51:17
same.
51:17
But
51:18
part
51:18
of
51:18
it
51:18
would
51:18
be
51:19
once
51:19
this
51:19
rec.
51:19
Once
51:20
this
51:20
realization
51:20
happens
51:21
to
51:21
the
51:21
individual,
51:22
that
51:22
the
51:22
individual
51:22
has
51:23
been
51:23
called
51:23
to,
51:24
to
51:24
serve,
51:25
to
51:25
give
51:25
back
51:26
this
51:26
realization
51:27
through
51:27
one's
51:28
life
51:28
and
51:28
through
51:29
one's
51:29
work
51:29
and
51:29
through
51:30
one's
51:30
relationships
51:30
and
51:31
thoughts
51:31
and
51:31
everything
51:31
else.
51:33
Yeah.
51:33
And
51:34
yes,
51:34
I
51:34
mean,
51:34
that
51:35
becomes
51:35
natural.
51:36
If
51:36
we
51:36
are
51:36
in
51:37
that
51:37
place,
51:38
our
51:38
functioning
51:39
relate
51:39
to
51:40
beings
51:40
as
51:41
expressions,
51:42
the
51:42
ultimate,
51:42
just
51:43
like
51:43
you
51:43
are.
51:44
And
51:44
the
51:45
best
51:45
service
51:45
for
51:46
them
51:46
is
51:47
to
51:47
help
51:47
them
51:48
be
51:48
themselves,
51:49
be
51:49
free
51:50
to
51:50
be
51:50
themselves.
51:51
But
51:51
to
51:51
be
51:51
themselves
51:52
mean
51:52
to
51:53
get
51:54
closer
51:54
to
51:55
their
51:55
nature,
51:55
which
51:56
is
51:56
absolute.
51:57
So
51:57
you
51:57
treat
51:57
somebody
51:58
lovingly
51:58
because
51:59
that
51:59
way
52:00
they
52:01
can
52:02
also
52:02
love
52:03
themselves.
52:03
They
52:04
get
52:04
closer
52:04
to
52:05
themselves
52:05
and
52:05
they
52:06
get
52:06
closer
52:06
to
52:06
themselves.
52:07
They're
52:07
closer
52:08
to
52:08
the
52:08
absolute.
52:10
So
52:10
serving
52:11
the
52:12
others
52:12
is
52:13
the
52:13
same
52:13
thing
52:13
as
52:14
serving
52:14
the
52:14
absolute?
52:15
Yeah.
52:15
Love
52:15
your
52:16
neighbor
52:16
as
52:16
yourself.
52:17
These
52:17
are
52:17
not
52:17
two
52:17
things.
52:18
They're
52:18
not
52:18
two
52:18
things.
52:19
So
52:19
looking
52:19
at
52:20
it
52:20
as
52:20
services
52:21
only
52:21
as
52:21
an
52:21
external
52:22
thing,
52:23
which
52:23
many
52:23
people
52:24
do,
52:24
but
52:24
that's
52:24
a
52:25
limitation
52:25
of
52:25
realization,
52:26
which
52:26
is
52:27
good.
52:27
It's
52:27
still
52:28
good
52:28
serving
52:29
others,
52:29
doing
52:30
good
52:30
things,
52:30
and
52:31
helping,
52:32
you
52:33
know,
52:34
the
52:34
bodies,
52:35
beings,
52:36
or
52:36
individuals
52:37
who
52:37
are
52:38
not
52:39
fortunate,
52:40
that's
52:40
a
52:40
good
52:40
thing.
52:41
Expressing
52:41
love
52:42
and
52:42
kindness
52:42
and
52:43
recognition
52:43
that
52:44
we
52:44
are
52:44
all
52:44
the
52:45
same
52:45
poet.
52:45
But
52:46
there
52:46
is
52:46
a
52:46
deeper
52:47
strata
52:47
of
52:48
it,
52:48
a
52:48
deeper
52:48
meaning
52:49
of
52:49
it
52:49
is
52:50
that
52:50
by
52:51
doing
52:51
that
52:52
they
52:52
come
52:52
closer
52:53
to
52:53
knowing
52:54
themselves
52:54
as
52:55
absolute.
52:56
More
52:56
opportunity.
52:57
And
52:58
is
52:58
that
52:58
your
52:59
service
52:59
as
53:00
Hameed,
53:02
as
53:02
this
53:02
individual
53:03
soul
53:04
expression
53:05
of
53:05
the
53:05
absolute?
53:05
And
53:06
you're
53:06
teaching
53:07
and
53:07
all
53:07
your
53:07
books
53:08
and
53:08
talking
53:09
to
53:09
us.
53:10
Is
53:11
there.
53:11
Where
53:12
does
53:12
that
53:12
come
53:12
from?
53:12
Why
53:13
do
53:13
you
53:13
do
53:13
that?
53:14
Well,
53:14
that's
53:14
a
53:15
good
53:15
question,
53:16
and
53:17
that's
53:17
what
53:17
we're
53:17
discussing.
53:18
But
53:18
there
53:18
are
53:19
many
53:19
stages
53:19
of
53:19
that.
53:21
There
53:21
was
53:21
one
53:22
stage
53:22
I
53:22
remember
53:23
when
53:23
I
53:23
was
53:23
consciously
53:24
knowing,
53:24
I'm
53:25
surfing.
53:26
Absolutely.
53:27
I'm
53:27
serving.
53:28
Absolutely.
53:29
By
53:29
doing
53:29
that,
53:29
I'm
53:30
serving
53:30
reality,
53:31
by
53:32
bringing
53:32
everybody
53:32
to
53:33
reality.
53:34
At
53:35
some
53:35
point,
53:36
that
53:37
becomes
53:37
so
53:37
natural.
53:38
It's
53:38
not
53:38
service,
53:39
it's
53:39
just
53:39
being
53:40
yourself.
53:40
The
53:41
concept
53:41
of
53:41
service
53:42
is
53:43
good
53:43
for
53:44
certain
53:44
stages
53:45
of
53:45
the
53:45
path.
53:46
At
53:46
the
53:47
deeper
53:47
levels,
53:48
it's
53:49
not
53:49
service,
53:49
it's
53:50
just
53:50
being
53:52
yourself,
53:52
being
53:53
yourself,
53:53
being
53:53
your.
53:54
And
53:55
people
53:55
say,
53:56
see
53:56
that
53:56
service?
53:57
I
53:57
don't
53:57
see.
53:58
I'm
53:58
not
53:58
serving
53:59
anything.
53:59
I'm
54:00
just
54:00
doing
54:01
my
54:01
thing,
54:01
being,
54:02
you
54:02
know.
54:04
So
54:04
Hameed
54:05
eats
54:05
ice
54:05
cream
54:06
and
54:06
writes
54:07
books
54:07
and
54:08
talks
54:08
to
54:08
John
54:09
and
54:09
Roger
54:09
as
54:10
just
54:11
because.
54:11
Just
54:12
who
54:12
you
54:12
are
54:12
and
54:12
what
54:13
you
54:13
do.
54:13
Yeah,
54:14
that
54:15
is
54:15
my
54:15
nature.
54:15
I
54:16
mean,
54:16
you
54:16
could
54:17
say
54:17
for
54:18
a
54:18
long
54:18
time
54:18
I
54:18
thought,
54:19
I'm
54:19
serving
54:19
the
54:20
teaching,
54:20
I'm
54:20
serving
54:21
the
54:21
absolute.
54:22
All
54:22
that
54:22
was
54:22
valid.
54:24
At
54:24
some
54:24
point,
54:24
all
54:25
these
54:25
concepts
54:26
fall
54:26
away.
54:27
And
54:27
it's
54:27
just
54:27
spontaneous
54:28
natural
54:29
expression.
54:30
You
54:30
know,
54:31
it's
54:31
not
54:31
even
54:32
me.
54:32
It's
54:32
not
54:33
even
54:33
the
54:33
individual.
54:34
It
54:34
is
54:34
absolute.
54:35
Expressing
54:35
itself
54:37
in
54:37
this
54:37
location
54:39
as
54:39
Hameed.
54:40
As
54:41
Hameed.
54:41
Yeah.
54:42
Through
54:42
the
54:43
instrument
54:43
of
54:43
Hameed.
54:45
And
54:45
you
54:45
have
54:45
a
54:46
beautiful
54:46
statement
54:47
here
54:47
amid
54:48
that.
54:48
The
54:48
greatest
54:49
development
54:49
of
54:50
the
54:50
soul
54:51
is
54:51
to
54:51
serve
54:51
the
54:52
absolute
54:53
by
54:53
expressing
54:54
it.
54:55
Yeah.
54:57
And
54:58
that
54:58
will
54:58
be
54:58
its
54:59
fulfillment,
54:59
too.
55:01
I
55:01
mean,
55:02
the
55:02
greatest
55:02
fulfillment
55:04
that
55:04
this
55:05
location
55:05
experience
55:06
is
55:07
in
55:08
realizing
55:09
it
55:09
is
55:10
the
55:11
absolute
55:11
that
55:12
is
55:14
knowing
55:15
itself
55:17
and
55:17
seeing
55:17
others.
55:18
Knowing
55:18
it.
55:19
Knowing
55:19
it
55:21
and
55:21
its
55:21
expression
55:22
through
55:22
this
55:23
particular
55:23
location
55:25
is
55:25
to
55:25
help
55:25
other
55:26
locations.
55:26
You
55:27
know,
55:27
for
55:27
the
55:27
absolute
55:28
to
55:28
wake
55:28
up
55:29
in
55:29
many
55:29
places.
55:30
Could
55:30
we
55:31
say
55:31
then
55:31
that
55:32
the
55:32
greatest
55:33
fulfillment
55:33
is
55:34
to
55:35
enhance
55:36
the
55:37
absolute
55:38
knowledge
55:39
of
55:39
itself
55:40
through
55:40
all
55:40
of
55:41
us?
55:42
Yeah,
55:44
yeah.
55:44
I
55:45
mean,
55:45
that
55:46
all
55:46
spiritual
55:47
tradition
55:48
have
55:49
that
55:50
hymn.
55:51
I
55:52
mean,
55:52
like
55:52
the
55:52
Bodhisattva
55:53
thing,
55:53
you
55:53
know,
55:54
you
55:54
want
55:54
everybody
55:54
help
55:55
everybody
55:55
become
55:56
liberated.
55:57
Although
55:58
they
55:58
say
55:58
there's
55:59
no
55:59
end
55:59
to
55:59
it.
56:00
Yes,
56:02
there's
56:03
that
56:03
minor
56:03
detail.
56:04
Yeah.
56:04
They
56:05
will
56:05
never
56:05
get
56:06
to
56:06
everybody
56:06
because
56:07
there's
56:08
infinite
56:08
number
56:09
people.
56:09
They
56:10
keep
56:10
coming.
56:12
Sometimes
56:13
the
56:13
body
56:13
sat
56:14
for
56:15
job
56:15
description
56:16
is
56:17
24,
56:18
seven
56:18
for
56:19
infinity.
56:20
Yeah,
56:20
I
56:21
know.
56:21
I
56:21
mean,
56:21
the
56:22
job
56:22
description
56:23
at
56:23
some
56:23
point
56:23
doesn't
56:24
make
56:24
sense
56:24
because
56:26
if
56:26
you
56:26
delay
56:27
your
56:27
enlightenment.
56:28
So
56:29
to
56:29
help
56:29
everybody
56:29
get
56:30
enlightened,
56:30
but
56:30
there's
56:31
no
56:31
end
56:31
to
56:31
it.
56:32
You'll
56:32
never
56:33
get
56:33
enlightened.
56:35
You
56:35
take
56:35
it
56:35
literally.
56:36
Yeah,
56:36
but
56:37
you'll
56:37
beautifully
56:38
express
56:38
here,
56:38
Hameed,
56:39
that.
56:40
And
56:40
this
56:41
isn't
56:41
often
56:41
talked
56:42
about,
56:42
that
56:42
service
56:43
itself
56:43
is
56:44
both
56:44
a
56:44
means
56:45
and
56:46
an
56:46
end
56:47
of
56:47
the
56:47
spiritual
56:48
path.
56:48
Both
56:48
a
56:48
means
56:49
to
56:49
the
56:50
fulfillment
56:50
and
56:51
an
56:51
ester
56:51
of
56:52
the
56:52
fulfillment.
56:53
And
56:53
it
56:54
goes
56:54
through
56:54
an
56:54
evolutionary
56:55
process.
56:56
Yeah.
56:57
And
56:58
there
56:58
are
56:58
paths
56:58
that
56:59
are
56:59
purely
56:59
path
57:00
of
57:00
service
57:00
too.
57:03
The
57:03
practices
57:04
service
57:05
as
57:05
we
57:05
know
57:06
that.
57:07
You
57:07
know
57:07
the
57:07
thing,
57:07
this
57:08
chapter,
57:08
however,
57:09
we
57:09
need
57:09
to
57:09
get
57:09
back
57:10
to
57:10
it.
57:10
The
57:11
theology
57:11
of
57:12
it,
57:13
which
57:13
is
57:13
reality,
57:15
soul
57:15
and
57:16
God,
57:17
which
57:17
is.
57:17
Or
57:18
you
57:18
could
57:18
say
57:19
the
57:19
individual,
57:20
the
57:20
world
57:21
and
57:22
true
57:22
nature.
57:23
Another
57:24
way
57:24
of
57:24
saying
57:25
it,
57:25
which
57:26
is
57:26
that
57:26
there
57:26
is
57:27
a
57:27
triadic
57:28
reality
57:29
where
57:29
each
57:31
has
57:31
its
57:32
own
57:32
truth
57:33
and
57:33
they're
57:34
all
57:34
interconnected.
57:36
That
57:36
is
57:37
the
57:37
primary
57:38
theological
57:39
question.
57:40
Really.
57:41
Well,
57:41
that
57:41
sounds
57:42
very
57:42
Christian.
57:43
Yeah,
57:43
that
57:43
is
57:44
very
57:44
soundtrack.
57:45
And
57:45
it
57:45
is
57:45
the
57:45
primary
57:46
philosophical
57:47
question
57:48
in
57:49
western
57:50
philosophy.
57:51
What
57:51
is
57:51
the
57:52
relationship
57:52
between
57:53
the
57:54
Creator
57:54
and
57:55
its
57:55
creation
57:56
and
57:56
how
57:57
is
57:57
that
57:57
related
57:57
to
57:58
an
57:58
individual
57:58
who
57:59
are
57:59
running
57:59
around
57:59
the
58:00
world?
58:00
You
58:00
see,
58:01
there
58:01
are
58:01
many
58:01
books
58:02
I've
58:02
read
58:03
many
58:03
I
58:03
don't
58:04
remember
58:04
the
58:04
authors,
58:05
but
58:05
good
58:06
book
58:06
written
58:07
about
58:07
that.
58:08
Not
58:08
what
58:08
gave
58:09
me
58:09
the
58:09
idea
58:09
to
58:09
write
58:10
this
58:10
chapter.
58:10
I
58:11
said,
58:11
well,
58:12
it's
58:12
good
58:13
to
58:14
address
58:14
that
58:15
question.
58:16
And
58:16
that's
58:17
why
58:17
I
58:17
call
58:17
it
58:17
mystical
58:18
theology,
58:19
my
58:19
attempt
58:20
of
58:20
theology.
58:20
I'm
58:20
not
58:21
a
58:21
theologian,
58:21
but
58:22
that's
58:22
the
58:22
closest
58:22
I
58:23
could
58:23
come
58:23
to
58:24
theologian
58:25
in
58:25
this
58:25
chapter.
58:27
Because
58:27
it
58:27
is
58:27
something
58:28
that
58:28
most
58:28
people
58:29
don't
58:29
expressly
58:31
or
58:31
consciously
58:32
experience,
58:33
which
58:33
is
58:34
like
58:34
you
58:34
have
58:34
to
58:34
contemplate
58:35
it
58:35
to
58:35
recognize
58:36
that
58:37
triadic
58:38
relationship
58:39
is
58:40
a
58:40
unity
58:41
in
58:41
some
58:41
sense.
58:42
That
58:44
what
58:45
I
58:45
call
58:45
reality
58:46
is
58:47
the
58:47
world
58:47
inseparable
58:48
from
58:49
its
58:49
nature.
58:50
Right.
58:50
That's
58:51
what
58:51
I
58:51
call
58:51
reality.
58:52
But
58:52
reality,
58:53
remember
58:54
here
58:54
we're
58:54
talking
58:54
about
58:55
reality
58:55
from
58:56
a
58:56
non
58:56
dual
58:56
perspective.
58:58
Reality
58:59
appears
58:59
everything
59:00
as
59:01
a
59:01
manifestation
59:02
formation
59:03
of
59:03
the
59:04
formless
59:04
infinite
59:05
reality,
59:06
including
59:06
the
59:06
physical
59:07
world,
59:08
the
59:08
physical
59:09
world
59:09
as
59:09
part
59:09
of
59:10
that
59:10
reality.
59:10
So
59:11
what
59:11
for
59:12
people,
59:12
most
59:12
people,
59:13
they
59:13
see
59:13
the
59:13
world,
59:14
they
59:14
don't
59:14
see
59:14
reality.
59:15
And
59:15
for
59:15
them
59:16
from
59:17
their
59:17
perspective,
59:17
reality,
59:18
the
59:18
physical
59:18
world,
59:19
and
59:19
what
59:20
the
59:20
law
59:20
that
59:20
govern
59:21
it.
59:23
From
59:24
mystical
59:24
perspective,
59:25
reality
59:26
is
59:26
all
59:27
the
59:27
dimension
59:27
of
59:27
reality
59:29
as
59:29
co.
59:29
Emergent,
59:30
as
59:31
a
59:31
oneness,
59:31
as
59:31
a
59:32
unity.
59:32
And
59:32
that.
59:33
And
59:33
I
59:33
go
59:34
to
59:34
great
59:34
length
59:34
in
59:35
this
59:35
book
59:35
to
59:35
say
59:36
how
59:36
you
59:36
can't
59:37
have
59:38
personal
59:38
God
59:39
apart
59:39
from
59:39
that,
59:41
because
59:41
this
59:41
is
59:41
infinite.
59:42
If
59:42
there's
59:43
anything
59:44
outside
59:44
of
59:44
it
59:45
that
59:45
mean
59:45
it's
59:46
not
59:46
infinite,
59:48
it
59:48
has
59:48
no
59:48
end
59:50
to
59:50
have
59:50
to
59:50
include
59:51
everything.
59:51
There's
59:52
any
59:52
personal
59:53
God
59:53
as
59:53
an
59:54
entity
59:54
someplace
59:55
creating
59:55
the
59:55
universe.
59:57
Well,
59:59
it's
1:00:00
contrary
1:00:00
to
1:00:01
this
1:00:01
realization
1:00:01
of
1:00:02
non
1:00:02
duality.
1:00:03
So
1:00:04
non
1:00:04
duality
1:00:04
cannot
1:00:05
conceive
1:00:05
of
1:00:06
a
1:00:07
person
1:00:07
God
1:00:07
a
1:00:08
creator,
1:00:09
that
1:00:09
created
1:00:11
being.
1:00:11
And
1:00:12
I
1:00:12
mean
1:00:12
the
1:00:13
Sufis
1:00:13
God
1:00:15
more
1:00:16
not
1:00:16
just
1:00:16
to
1:00:17
many
1:00:17
other.
1:00:17
But
1:00:17
I
1:00:18
know
1:00:18
the
1:00:18
suicidal
1:00:18
saying
1:00:19
that
1:00:20
the
1:00:20
way
1:00:21
God
1:00:22
declared
1:00:22
the
1:00:22
world
1:00:23
by
1:00:23
extending
1:00:24
his
1:00:25
being
1:00:26
to
1:00:26
the
1:00:27
world,
1:00:27
giving
1:00:27
it
1:00:28
being
1:00:29
the
1:00:29
being
1:00:29
in
1:00:29
the
1:00:30
universe,
1:00:30
the
1:00:30
world
1:00:31
being
1:00:31
individual,
1:00:32
it
1:00:33
comes
1:00:33
from
1:00:33
God's
1:00:34
being.
1:00:34
It's
1:00:34
the
1:00:34
same
1:00:35
being.
1:00:36
The
1:00:36
world
1:00:36
is
1:00:36
no
1:00:36
other
1:00:37
than
1:00:37
God.
1:00:38
The
1:00:38
soul
1:00:38
is
1:00:38
no
1:00:39
other
1:00:39
than
1:00:39
God.
1:00:40
Being
1:00:41
is
1:00:41
no
1:00:41
other
1:00:41
than
1:00:41
God.
1:00:42
Well,
1:00:43
that's
1:00:43
not
1:00:43
exactly.
1:00:44
They're
1:00:44
saying
1:00:45
that
1:00:46
the
1:00:46
being
1:00:47
of
1:00:47
the
1:00:47
soul
1:00:48
comes
1:00:49
from
1:00:49
God.
1:00:50
It's
1:00:50
existing,
1:00:51
it
1:00:51
cannot
1:00:52
exist
1:00:52
without
1:00:53
God's
1:00:53
existence.
1:00:54
And
1:00:55
they're
1:00:55
not
1:00:56
saying
1:00:56
the
1:00:56
soul
1:00:56
is
1:00:56
God.
1:00:58
If
1:00:58
the
1:00:58
soul
1:00:59
goes
1:00:59
into
1:00:59
its
1:00:59
reality,
1:01:00
all
1:01:00
the
1:01:00
way
1:01:01
to
1:01:01
its
1:01:02
true
1:01:02
nature,
1:01:02
recognize
1:01:03
its
1:01:03
true
1:01:04
identity
1:01:04
is
1:01:05
the
1:01:05
absolute.
1:01:06
You
1:01:06
could
1:01:06
say
1:01:06
it
1:01:07
it's
1:01:07
God.
1:01:07
But
1:01:07
we
1:01:08
don't
1:01:08
need
1:01:08
to
1:01:08
go
1:01:08
that
1:01:09
far
1:01:09
to
1:01:10
say
1:01:10
that
1:01:10
God
1:01:10
lend
1:01:11
its
1:01:12
beingness
1:01:12
to
1:01:13
the
1:01:13
soul.
1:01:13
For
1:01:14
the
1:01:14
soul
1:01:14
to
1:01:14
exist,
1:01:15
to
1:01:15
be,
1:01:15
for
1:01:16
the
1:01:16
world
1:01:16
to
1:01:16
be.
1:01:17
And
1:01:17
here
1:01:18
just
1:01:18
to
1:01:18
emphasize
1:01:19
one
1:01:19
of
1:01:19
the
1:01:19
things
1:01:19
you
1:01:20
mentioned,
1:01:20
and
1:01:20
that
1:01:20
is
1:01:21
that
1:01:21
yes,
1:01:21
this
1:01:22
is
1:01:22
your.
1:01:23
You're
1:01:24
doing
1:01:24
theology,
1:01:25
but
1:01:25
it's
1:01:25
a
1:01:26
very
1:01:26
different
1:01:26
kind
1:01:27
of
1:01:27
theology.
1:01:28
It's
1:01:28
more
1:01:28
a.
1:01:29
I
1:01:29
mean,
1:01:29
in
1:01:30
one
1:01:30
sense
1:01:30
it's
1:01:30
phenomenology.
1:01:31
You're
1:01:31
reporting
1:01:32
on
1:01:33
your
1:01:33
experience.
1:01:34
It's
1:01:35
not
1:01:35
some
1:01:36
intellectual
1:01:36
speculation.
1:01:37
This
1:01:37
is
1:01:38
grounded
1:01:38
in
1:01:39
your
1:01:39
direct
1:01:39
experience
1:01:40
and
1:01:40
realization.
1:01:42
This
1:01:42
is
1:01:42
what
1:01:42
you've
1:01:43
actually
1:01:44
seen.
1:01:44
Then
1:01:45
from
1:01:45
that,
1:01:45
you
1:01:46
point
1:01:46
out
1:01:46
as
1:01:47
part
1:01:47
of
1:01:47
this
1:01:47
theology
1:01:48
that.
1:01:49
Yeah,
1:01:49
and
1:01:50
as
1:01:50
you've
1:01:50
been
1:01:50
saying,
1:01:51
that
1:01:51
yes,
1:01:51
there's
1:01:52
an
1:01:52
appreciation
1:01:53
of
1:01:53
the
1:01:53
absolute
1:01:54
or
1:01:54
of
1:01:54
the
1:01:54
boundless
1:01:55
dimensions
1:01:55
as
1:01:56
infinite.
1:01:57
And
1:01:57
how
1:01:57
can
1:01:58
there
1:01:58
be
1:01:59
a
1:01:59
separate
1:01:59
personal
1:02:00
God?
1:02:01
And
1:02:01
yet
1:02:01
you
1:02:02
point
1:02:02
out
1:02:02
that
1:02:03
the
1:02:03
soul
1:02:04
has
1:02:04
this
1:02:04
capacity
1:02:05
or
1:02:05
predilection
1:02:06
for
1:02:07
personalizing
1:02:08
a
1:02:09
personalization,
1:02:10
and
1:02:10
that
1:02:11
even
1:02:11
dimensions
1:02:12
of
1:02:12
the
1:02:13
absolute
1:02:13
can
1:02:14
be
1:02:15
perceived
1:02:15
in
1:02:16
this
1:02:16
personal
1:02:17
way.
1:02:17
Is
1:02:18
that
1:02:18
true?
1:02:19
Yeah.
1:02:19
And
1:02:19
that's
1:02:20
why
1:02:20
I
1:02:20
call
1:02:20
the
1:02:20
theology
1:02:21
mystical
1:02:21
theology.
1:02:22
Mystical
1:02:22
means
1:02:23
based
1:02:23
on
1:02:23
mystic
1:02:23
experience,
1:02:24
not
1:02:25
through
1:02:25
reasons.
1:02:26
And
1:02:27
also
1:02:27
it
1:02:27
depends
1:02:28
on
1:02:28
individual
1:02:28
souls.
1:02:29
Some
1:02:30
souls
1:02:31
need
1:02:31
the
1:02:31
personal
1:02:32
connection.
1:02:34
Some
1:02:34
souls,
1:02:34
that's
1:02:35
their
1:02:35
way,
1:02:36
they
1:02:36
can't
1:02:37
do
1:02:37
it.
1:02:37
And
1:02:37
just
1:02:38
meditating
1:02:38
and
1:02:39
getting
1:02:39
to
1:02:39
an
1:02:39
impersonal
1:02:40
place,
1:02:41
that's
1:02:41
not
1:02:42
their
1:02:42
way.
1:02:42
Their
1:02:42
way
1:02:43
is
1:02:43
some
1:02:43
kind
1:02:43
of
1:02:44
personal
1:02:44
connection
1:02:45
to
1:02:45
something
1:02:46
transcendent,
1:02:47
something
1:02:47
ultimately.
1:02:48
Do
1:02:48
the
1:02:48
enneagram
1:02:49
types
1:02:49
have
1:02:50
any
1:02:50
relation
1:02:50
to
1:02:51
this?
1:02:51
No,
1:02:52
I
1:02:52
don't
1:02:52
think
1:02:52
so.
1:02:53
That
1:02:53
doesn't
1:02:54
depend
1:02:54
on
1:02:54
the
1:02:55
types.
1:02:55
Just,
1:02:56
you
1:02:56
know,
1:02:56
I
1:02:57
do
1:02:57
find
1:02:57
that
1:02:58
some
1:02:58
individual
1:03:00
lean
1:03:00
more
1:03:00
towards
1:03:02
needing
1:03:02
a
1:03:03
personal
1:03:03
connection.
1:03:04
And
1:03:05
some
1:03:06
don't
1:03:06
care
1:03:07
about
1:03:07
the
1:03:07
personal
1:03:07
connection.
1:03:08
They
1:03:08
want
1:03:08
something
1:03:09
more
1:03:09
impersonal.
1:03:10
For
1:03:11
them,
1:03:11
it
1:03:11
has
1:03:11
to
1:03:11
be
1:03:12
impersonal
1:03:12
to
1:03:13
be
1:03:13
real.
1:03:14
And
1:03:14
so
1:03:14
souls
1:03:15
are
1:03:15
different
1:03:15
and
1:03:16
you
1:03:16
know
1:03:17
they're
1:03:17
all
1:03:18
fundamentally
1:03:19
have
1:03:20
the
1:03:20
same
1:03:20
origin,
1:03:21
the
1:03:21
same
1:03:21
nature
1:03:22
but
1:03:22
inclination.
1:03:23
But
1:03:24
I
1:03:24
think
1:03:24
even
1:03:24
the
1:03:25
one
1:03:25
who
1:03:26
need
1:03:26
a
1:03:27
personal
1:03:27
connection
1:03:27
to
1:03:28
God
1:03:29
personally
1:03:29
connected
1:03:29
to
1:03:30
reality.
1:03:30
If
1:03:31
you
1:03:31
look
1:03:31
at
1:03:31
the
1:03:31
Christian
1:03:32
mystics
1:03:32
who
1:03:33
have
1:03:33
a
1:03:33
person
1:03:33
connected
1:03:34
to
1:03:34
God.
1:03:34
Most
1:03:35
of
1:03:35
those
1:03:35
mystic
1:03:36
get
1:03:36
into
1:03:37
recognizing
1:03:38
being
1:03:38
one
1:03:38
with
1:03:39
the
1:03:39
divine.
1:03:40
Yes.
1:03:40
I
1:03:40
mean
1:03:41
unity,
1:03:42
which
1:03:42
is
1:03:42
the
1:03:42
same
1:03:43
thing
1:03:43
as
1:03:44
the
1:03:45
other
1:03:45
way
1:03:46
of
1:03:46
looking
1:03:46
at
1:03:47
the
1:03:47
connection
1:03:47
to
1:03:48
our
1:03:48
spiritual
1:03:48
nature.
1:03:49
So
1:03:50
it's
1:03:50
a
1:03:50
different
1:03:50
path
1:03:51
in
1:03:51
some
1:03:51
sense.
1:03:52
Yeah.
1:03:52
I
1:03:53
must
1:03:53
confess
1:03:53
that
1:03:53
I
1:03:54
think
1:03:54
I'm
1:03:54
pretty
1:03:54
needy
1:03:55
when
1:03:55
it
1:03:55
comes
1:03:55
to
1:03:55
that.
1:03:56
Yeah.
1:03:56
You
1:03:57
don't
1:03:57
need
1:03:57
to
1:03:57
be
1:03:57
needy
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
be
1:03:58
personal.
1:03:59
Okay,
1:03:59
well
1:04:00
that's
1:04:00
good.
1:04:00
That
1:04:00
makes
1:04:00
me
1:04:00
feel.
1:04:01
Yeah.
1:04:01
You
1:04:01
know
1:04:01
that
1:04:01
doesn't
1:04:02
mean
1:04:02
neediness.
1:04:02
It's
1:04:03
just
1:04:03
a
1:04:03
different
1:04:03
wavelength.
1:04:05
My
1:04:05
heart
1:04:05
longs
1:04:06
for
1:04:06
that.
1:04:06
Yeah,
1:04:06
yeah.
1:04:07
Some
1:04:08
the
1:04:08
connection.
1:04:08
The
1:04:09
relationship
1:04:09
is
1:04:10
so
1:04:10
fundamental.
1:04:11
And
1:04:11
that
1:04:12
is
1:04:12
a
1:04:12
way
1:04:12
of
1:04:13
learning
1:04:13
about
1:04:14
the
1:04:14
spiritual
1:04:14
nature
1:04:15
through
1:04:15
the
1:04:16
personal
1:04:16
connection.
1:04:17
Yeah.
1:04:17
So
1:04:18
I
1:04:18
don't
1:04:18
see
1:04:18
it
1:04:18
as
1:04:18
limited
1:04:19
or
1:04:19
needy
1:04:19
or
1:04:20
anything.
1:04:20
It's
1:04:20
just
1:04:20
for
1:04:20
different
1:04:20
ways
1:04:21
of
1:04:22
approaching
1:04:22
reality.
1:04:23
And
1:04:24
we
1:04:24
also
1:04:24
toss
1:04:24
in
1:04:25
here
1:04:25
that
1:04:25
one
1:04:26
thing
1:04:26
we
1:04:26
haven't
1:04:26
asked
1:04:27
about
1:04:28
is
1:04:28
you
1:04:28
talk
1:04:29
about
1:04:29
energy.
1:04:30
Not
1:04:30
only
1:04:31
physical
1:04:31
phenomena
1:04:32
but
1:04:32
also
1:04:33
energy
1:04:34
as
1:04:34
deserving
1:04:35
a
1:04:35
whole
1:04:36
conversation
1:04:36
topic
1:04:37
and
1:04:37
needing
1:04:38
to
1:04:38
be
1:04:38
integrated
1:04:38
here.
1:04:39
Yeah,
1:04:39
yeah.
1:04:40
We
1:04:40
were
1:04:40
talking
1:04:40
first
1:04:41
about
1:04:41
five
1:04:41
boundless
1:04:42
dimensions.
1:04:42
And
1:04:43
I
1:04:43
add
1:04:43
to
1:04:43
them
1:04:43
dimension
1:04:44
of
1:04:44
energy
1:04:45
and
1:04:45
the
1:04:46
physical
1:04:46
dimension
1:04:46
make
1:04:47
them
1:04:47
seven
1:04:47
dimensions.
1:04:48
And
1:04:48
so
1:04:49
energy
1:04:49
is
1:04:51
not
1:04:51
really
1:04:51
presence.
1:04:52
It's
1:04:53
vital
1:04:53
energy.
1:04:54
What's
1:04:54
called
1:04:54
Shakti
1:04:55
prana.
1:04:56
And
1:04:57
it
1:04:57
is
1:04:57
a
1:04:57
dimension
1:04:58
we
1:04:58
can
1:04:58
experience.
1:05:00
Many
1:05:00
spiritual
1:05:01
teaching
1:05:01
utilize
1:05:02
that
1:05:02
instead
1:05:02
of
1:05:03
presence
1:05:03
or
1:05:04
awareness.
1:05:05
Which
1:05:05
is
1:05:06
the
1:05:06
path
1:05:06
of
1:05:06
kundalini
1:05:07
and
1:05:08
the
1:05:08
chakra
1:05:08
system.
1:05:09
So
1:05:09
I
1:05:09
include
1:05:10
this
1:05:10
in
1:05:10
this
1:05:10
chapter.
1:05:11
That
1:05:11
is
1:05:11
one
1:05:12
of
1:05:12
the
1:05:12
dimensions.
1:05:13
And
1:05:13
this
1:05:13
teaching
1:05:14
deals
1:05:14
with
1:05:15
it
1:05:15
in
1:05:15
a
1:05:15
specific
1:05:16
way.
1:05:16
You
1:05:16
know,
1:05:17
because
1:05:18
the
1:05:18
energy
1:05:19
is
1:05:19
the
1:05:20
raw
1:05:21
energy
1:05:22
of
1:05:23
the
1:05:23
heart.
1:05:23
The
1:05:24
raw
1:05:25
energy
1:05:25
of
1:05:25
emotion
1:05:26
specifically.
1:05:27
And
1:05:28
this
1:05:28
path
1:05:29
we
1:05:29
liberate
1:05:30
energy
1:05:31
by
1:05:31
liberating
1:05:32
the
1:05:33
emotions
1:05:33
through
1:05:34
inquiry.
1:05:35
And
1:05:35
that
1:05:35
actually
1:05:36
wakes
1:05:36
up
1:05:36
a
1:05:36
kundalini
1:05:38
without
1:05:38
having
1:05:38
to
1:05:39
focus
1:05:39
on
1:05:39
the
1:05:40
first
1:05:40
chakra
1:05:40
or
1:05:41
second
1:05:41
chakra
1:05:42
or
1:05:42
doing
1:05:43
kundalini
1:05:44
yoga.
1:05:45
Not
1:05:45
just
1:05:45
you
1:05:46
know,
1:05:46
an
1:05:46
aside
1:05:48
but
1:05:48
seeing
1:05:49
the
1:05:49
physical,
1:05:49
the
1:05:49
physical
1:05:50
world
1:05:50
as
1:05:51
a
1:05:51
seventh
1:05:51
dimension
1:05:52
gives
1:05:53
it
1:05:53
its
1:05:54
due
1:05:54
importance
1:05:56
that
1:05:56
many
1:05:56
in
1:05:56
the
1:05:56
non
1:05:57
dual
1:05:57
teaching
1:05:57
don't
1:05:58
give
1:05:58
it,
1:05:59
you
1:05:59
know,
1:06:00
see
1:06:00
does
1:06:01
so
1:06:02
everface
1:06:03
and
1:06:03
sort
1:06:03
of
1:06:04
passing
1:06:05
external
1:06:06
manifestation
1:06:07
which
1:06:07
it
1:06:08
is
1:06:08
from
1:06:09
the
1:06:09
non
1:06:09
dual
1:06:09
perspective.
1:06:11
And
1:06:11
that's
1:06:11
what
1:06:11
brings
1:06:11
up
1:06:12
the
1:06:12
idea
1:06:12
of
1:06:12
what
1:06:12
reality
1:06:13
is.
1:06:13
Reality
1:06:14
all
1:06:14
in
1:06:14
the
1:06:14
seven
1:06:15
dimensions
1:06:15
together
1:06:16
from
1:06:16
perspective
1:06:17
with
1:06:18
non
1:06:18
duality
1:06:19
of
1:06:19
this
1:06:19
path.
1:06:20
Reality
1:06:20
is
1:06:21
all
1:06:21
of
1:06:21
them
1:06:21
are
1:06:22
converges
1:06:22
other
1:06:23
separate
1:06:23
from
1:06:23
each
1:06:24
other.
1:06:24
But
1:06:25
mentioning
1:06:25
here
1:06:26
that
1:06:26
this
1:06:26
Is
1:06:27
reality
1:06:27
from
1:06:27
a
1:06:27
non
1:06:28
dual
1:06:28
perspective?
1:06:29
Reality
1:06:29
can
1:06:30
appear
1:06:30
differently
1:06:31
from
1:06:31
different
1:06:31
perspectives
1:06:32
we
1:06:33
deal
1:06:33
with
1:06:33
later.
1:06:34
You
1:06:34
know,
1:06:35
not
1:06:36
in
1:06:36
this
1:06:36
book.
1:06:36
In
1:06:36
this
1:06:37
book
1:06:37
it
1:06:37
stays
1:06:38
with
1:06:38
the
1:06:38
non
1:06:38
dual.
1:06:39
So
1:06:39
when
1:06:39
I
1:06:40
say
1:06:40
reality,
1:06:40
I
1:06:41
don't
1:06:41
mean
1:06:41
that's
1:06:41
the
1:06:41
only
1:06:41
way
1:06:42
experience
1:06:42
reality.
1:06:43
No.
1:06:43
In
1:06:44
fact,
1:06:44
I
1:06:44
think
1:06:44
one
1:06:44
of
1:06:44
your
1:06:45
unique
1:06:45
contributions
1:06:46
amid
1:06:46
is
1:06:47
your
1:06:47
recognition
1:06:48
of
1:06:48
honoring
1:06:49
and
1:06:49
integration
1:06:49
of
1:06:50
multiple
1:06:51
perspectives
1:06:52
and
1:06:53
very
1:06:53
different
1:06:54
ways
1:06:54
of
1:06:54
seeing
1:06:55
things.
1:06:55
For
1:06:56
example,
1:06:56
with
1:06:56
each
1:06:57
of
1:06:57
your
1:06:57
four
1:06:58
turnings.
1:06:59
Things
1:06:59
look
1:07:00
very
1:07:00
different
1:07:00
at
1:07:01
each
1:07:01
turning.
1:07:02
None
1:07:02
of
1:07:03
which
1:07:03
contradicts
1:07:04
the
1:07:04
other,
1:07:04
but
1:07:04
harmonizes
1:07:05
with
1:07:05
it
1:07:05
or
1:07:06
in
1:07:06
sequence
1:07:06
puts
1:07:07
it
1:07:07
in
1:07:07
larger
1:07:07
context.
1:07:08
Yeah.
1:07:08
Like
1:07:09
give
1:07:09
sort
1:07:10
of
1:07:10
a
1:07:10
simple
1:07:11
example
1:07:11
of
1:07:11
how
1:07:12
reality
1:07:12
can
1:07:13
be
1:07:13
different
1:07:13
from
1:07:14
non
1:07:15
dual
1:07:15
perspective.
1:07:15
Reality
1:07:16
is
1:07:17
inseparable
1:07:17
unity,
1:07:18
oneness,
1:07:18
everything,
1:07:19
nothing
1:07:20
separate
1:07:20
from
1:07:20
anything
1:07:21
else.
1:07:21
Everything
1:07:22
is
1:07:22
oneness
1:07:23
or
1:07:23
unity
1:07:24
are
1:07:25
intrinsic
1:07:26
to
1:07:26
this
1:07:26
perspective.
1:07:27
The
1:07:27
other
1:07:28
realization
1:07:29
where
1:07:29
unity
1:07:29
and
1:07:30
oneness
1:07:30
or
1:07:30
separateness
1:07:31
is
1:07:31
irrelevant.
1:07:32
That
1:07:33
we
1:07:33
realize
1:07:33
that
1:07:34
separateness
1:07:35
and
1:07:35
oneness
1:07:36
are
1:07:36
two
1:07:37
sides.
1:07:37
The
1:07:38
conceptual
1:07:38
dichotomy,
1:07:39
they're
1:07:40
both
1:07:40
concepts.
1:07:41
And
1:07:41
we
1:07:41
can
1:07:41
go
1:07:41
beyond
1:07:42
those
1:07:42
concepts
1:07:43
so
1:07:43
we
1:07:43
can
1:07:43
experience
1:07:44
reality.
1:07:44
When
1:07:45
you
1:07:45
can't
1:07:45
say
1:07:45
it's
1:07:45
separate,
1:07:46
things
1:07:46
are
1:07:46
separate
1:07:47
or
1:07:47
not
1:07:47
separate.
1:07:48
It's
1:07:48
an
1:07:48
irrelevant
1:07:49
question.
1:07:49
And
1:07:50
the
1:07:50
experience
1:07:50
itself,
1:07:51
you
1:07:51
can't
1:07:51
say
1:07:51
it's
1:07:52
separate
1:07:52
or
1:07:52
not
1:07:52
separate.
1:07:53
That
1:07:53
is
1:07:53
a
1:07:54
different
1:07:54
kind
1:07:54
of
1:07:54
realization
1:07:55
than
1:07:55
non
1:07:56
dual
1:07:56
is
1:07:56
no
1:07:56
separateness.
1:07:57
That's
1:07:58
why
1:07:58
the
1:07:58
main
1:07:58
obstacle
1:07:59
is
1:08:00
the
1:08:00
separate
1:08:00
self.
1:08:01
Interesting.
1:08:02
So
1:08:03
going
1:08:03
beyond
1:08:04
the
1:08:04
separateness
1:08:05
we
1:08:05
arrive
1:08:06
at
1:08:06
an
1:08:06
untouable.
1:08:08
And
1:08:08
there's
1:08:09
a
1:08:09
beautiful
1:08:09
description.
1:08:10
You
1:08:10
mentioned
1:08:11
before
1:08:11
and
1:08:12
discussed
1:08:12
the
1:08:12
way
1:08:12
in
1:08:13
which
1:08:13
the
1:08:13
different
1:08:13
perspectives
1:08:14
on
1:08:15
the
1:08:16
physical
1:08:16
world,
1:08:17
the
1:08:17
conventional
1:08:17
perspectives
1:08:18
it's
1:08:18
just
1:08:19
physical
1:08:19
world.
1:08:20
From
1:08:21
your
1:08:21
deeper
1:08:21
perspective.
1:08:22
It
1:08:23
is
1:08:23
an
1:08:24
expression
1:08:25
of
1:08:26
an
1:08:26
inseparable
1:08:27
from
1:08:28
the
1:08:28
absolute
1:08:29
or
1:08:29
the
1:08:29
boundless
1:08:30
dimensions.
1:08:31
And
1:08:31
you
1:08:31
have
1:08:31
a
1:08:32
beautiful
1:08:32
description
1:08:33
of
1:08:33
the
1:08:33
possibility
1:08:34
of
1:08:34
seeing.
1:08:36
Seeing
1:08:36
the
1:08:36
physical
1:08:37
universe
1:08:37
as
1:08:39
diaphanous
1:08:41
to
1:08:41
the
1:08:41
deeper
1:08:42
dimensions.
1:08:43
Yeah.
1:08:43
And
1:08:43
that's
1:08:43
the
1:08:44
beauty
1:08:44
of
1:08:44
this
1:08:44
nondeva
1:08:45
perspective.
1:08:46
If
1:08:47
that
1:08:47
is
1:08:48
deafenance
1:08:49
is
1:08:49
transparent.
1:08:50
And
1:08:51
I
1:08:51
think
1:08:51
that's
1:08:51
why
1:08:51
the
1:08:52
doctor
1:08:52
called
1:08:53
illusion
1:08:53
like
1:08:54
illusion
1:08:54
like
1:08:55
mean
1:08:55
it.
1:08:56
It
1:08:56
looks
1:08:56
as
1:08:56
if
1:08:57
it
1:08:57
isn't.
1:08:57
It's
1:08:58
not
1:08:58
an
1:08:58
illusion
1:08:59
illusion
1:08:59
like
1:08:59
because
1:09:00
illusions
1:09:00
are
1:09:01
the
1:09:01
avenues
1:09:01
and
1:09:02
just
1:09:03
imagination.
1:09:04
So
1:09:04
it
1:09:05
appears
1:09:05
that
1:09:05
way
1:09:05
because
1:09:06
we
1:09:06
see
1:09:07
that
1:09:07
everything
1:09:07
is
1:09:08
knowingness.
1:09:09
Everything
1:09:09
is
1:09:10
an
1:09:10
ocean
1:09:10
of
1:09:11
knowing
1:09:12
knowing
1:09:13
the
1:09:13
rock
1:09:14
and
1:09:14
the
1:09:14
rock
1:09:15
are
1:09:15
the
1:09:15
same
1:09:15
thing.
1:09:16
The
1:09:16
rock
1:09:16
is
1:09:17
knowing
1:09:18
from
1:09:18
the
1:09:18
absolute
1:09:19
dimension.
1:09:19
And
1:09:20
amid
1:09:20
you
1:09:20
you
1:09:21
mentioned
1:09:21
Dzogchen.
1:09:22
One
1:09:22
of
1:09:22
my
1:09:22
favorite
1:09:23
Zogchen
1:09:24
teacher
1:09:24
as
1:09:24
we
1:09:24
talked
1:09:25
about
1:09:25
is
1:09:25
Longchampa.
1:09:26
Longchampa
1:09:28
has
1:09:28
a
1:09:28
sentence
1:09:28
which
1:09:29
seems
1:09:29
very
1:09:29
appropriate
1:09:30
here.
1:09:31
Things
1:09:31
are
1:09:31
not
1:09:31
what
1:09:32
they
1:09:32
seem,
1:09:33
nor
1:09:33
are
1:09:34
they
1:09:34
otherwise.
1:09:34
Therefore
1:09:35
one
1:09:35
might
1:09:35
as
1:09:36
well
1:09:36
burst
1:09:36
out
1:09:36
LAUGHING
1:09:39
that's
1:09:39
good.
1:09:39
I
1:09:39
like
1:09:39
that
1:09:40
one.
1:09:40
Yeah,
1:09:41
that
1:09:41
is
1:09:41
true.
1:09:41
I
1:09:42
mean,
1:09:42
they're
1:09:42
both
1:09:43
as
1:09:43
they
1:09:43
seem,
1:09:43
and
1:09:44
they're
1:09:44
not
1:09:44
what
1:09:44
they
1:09:44
seem.
1:09:47
Yeah.
1:09:47
I
1:09:48
mean,
1:09:48
that's
1:09:48
one
1:09:48
thing
1:09:49
I
1:09:49
like
1:09:50
about
1:09:50
Darcten
1:09:51
that
1:09:51
Adverrida
1:09:52
doesn't
1:09:53
have.
1:09:53
It
1:09:53
has
1:09:53
the
1:09:54
subtlety
1:09:54
it
1:09:55
gives.
1:09:56
And
1:09:56
the
1:09:56
Buddha
1:09:57
perspective
1:09:57
in
1:09:57
general
1:09:58
gives
1:09:58
importance
1:09:59
to
1:10:00
what
1:10:00
most
1:10:00
people
1:10:01
experience,
1:10:02
that
1:10:02
it
1:10:02
has
1:10:03
that
1:10:04
object.
1:10:05
And
1:10:05
people,
1:10:05
whatever,
1:10:06
they
1:10:06
have
1:10:06
an
1:10:07
importance,
1:10:08
not
1:10:08
just
1:10:08
an
1:10:08
illusion,
1:10:09
transitory
1:10:10
illusion
1:10:11
will
1:10:11
be
1:10:11
gone.
1:10:12
Yeah.
1:10:12
And
1:10:12
it
1:10:12
seems
1:10:13
like
1:10:13
in
1:10:14
some
1:10:14
ways
1:10:14
we've
1:10:15
been
1:10:15
using
1:10:15
Vedanta
1:10:16
with
1:10:16
its.
1:10:17
Or
1:10:17
Vaidavadatta
1:10:18
with
1:10:18
its
1:10:19
view
1:10:19
of
1:10:19
the
1:10:19
phenomenal
1:10:20
realm
1:10:20
of
1:10:21
the
1:10:21
world
1:10:21
and
1:10:21
as
1:10:22
beings
1:10:22
as
1:10:23
fundamentally
1:10:24
illusory,
1:10:25
as
1:10:25
a
1:10:25
foil.
1:10:26
And
1:10:26
it's
1:10:27
interesting
1:10:27
that
1:10:28
clearly
1:10:29
there's
1:10:29
so
1:10:29
many.
1:10:30
There
1:10:30
have
1:10:30
been
1:10:30
so
1:10:31
many
1:10:31
perspectives
1:10:31
on
1:10:32
the
1:10:32
relationship
1:10:32
between
1:10:33
the
1:10:33
Absolute
1:10:34
and
1:10:34
the
1:10:34
world.
1:10:35
And
1:10:36
one
1:10:36
of
1:10:36
the
1:10:37
beauties
1:10:37
of
1:10:37
yours
1:10:38
is
1:10:38
that
1:10:38
it
1:10:39
really
1:10:39
gives
1:10:40
a
1:10:41
validity
1:10:41
and
1:10:42
value,
1:10:43
inherent
1:10:44
value
1:10:45
to
1:10:45
life
1:10:46
and
1:10:47
being
1:10:48
that
1:10:49
somehow
1:10:49
gets
1:10:49
washed
1:10:50
out
1:10:50
in
1:10:50
a.
1:10:51
In
1:10:51
a
1:10:51
Lucary
1:10:52
perspective.
1:10:53
And
1:10:53
the
1:10:53
importance
1:10:54
of
1:10:54
every
1:10:54
individual,
1:10:55
every
1:10:55
individual
1:10:56
soul
1:10:56
matters.
1:10:57
It's
1:10:57
a
1:10:57
unique
1:10:58
expression
1:10:59
of
1:10:59
the
1:10:59
Absolute.
1:11:00
And
1:11:00
also
1:11:01
the
1:11:01
other
1:11:01
difference
1:11:01
is
1:11:02
teaching
1:11:02
from
1:11:02
both
1:11:03
Advaita
1:11:04
and
1:11:04
Buddhism
1:11:05
that
1:11:06
we
1:11:06
don't
1:11:06
come
1:11:06
to
1:11:06
this
1:11:07
life
1:11:07
to
1:11:07
just
1:11:08
be
1:11:08
enlightened.
1:11:09
Well,
1:11:09
that's
1:11:09
how
1:11:10
they
1:11:10
take
1:11:10
it.
1:11:10
We
1:11:10
come
1:11:10
to
1:11:11
this
1:11:11
life
1:11:11
to
1:11:11
be
1:11:11
enlightened
1:11:12
and
1:11:12
leave.
1:11:12
Get
1:11:13
the
1:11:13
hell
1:11:13
out
1:11:13
of
1:11:13
here.
1:11:14
Right.
1:11:15
I
1:11:15
said
1:11:15
no.
1:11:15
We
1:11:16
come
1:11:16
to
1:11:16
this
1:11:16
life
1:11:16
to
1:11:16
be
1:11:16
enlightened,
1:11:17
but
1:11:17
also
1:11:17
as
1:11:18
we
1:11:18
get
1:11:18
enlightened,
1:11:18
we
1:11:19
fulfill
1:11:19
life.
1:11:21
The
1:11:21
Absolute
1:11:22
has
1:11:22
a
1:11:22
chance
1:11:23
to
1:11:23
live.
1:11:24
An
1:11:24
individual
1:11:25
person
1:11:25
in
1:11:25
life
1:11:26
knows
1:11:27
that
1:11:28
tastes
1:11:28
of
1:11:28
apples
1:11:29
and
1:11:32
can
1:11:32
walk
1:11:32
and
1:11:34
talk
1:11:34
and
1:11:35
all
1:11:35
that.
1:11:36
I
1:11:36
mean,
1:11:36
that's
1:11:36
part
1:11:36
of
1:11:37
the
1:11:37
potential
1:11:37
of
1:11:37
the
1:11:38
Absolute
1:11:38
that
1:11:38
is
1:11:38
actualized,
1:11:40
you
1:11:41
see?
1:11:41
And
1:11:42
it
1:11:42
feels
1:11:42
like
1:11:42
there's
1:11:43
gotta
1:11:43
be.
1:11:44
There's
1:11:44
something
1:11:45
missing
1:11:45
from
1:11:45
a
1:11:45
perspective
1:11:46
which
1:11:48
doesn't
1:11:48
acknowledge
1:11:49
the
1:11:50
possibility
1:11:50
and
1:11:51
inherent
1:11:51
beauty
1:11:51
of
1:11:52
joy,
1:11:53
love,
1:11:54
these
1:11:54
incredible
1:11:55
capacities
1:11:56
and
1:11:56
qualities
1:11:57
that
1:11:57
are
1:11:57
available
1:11:58
to
1:11:58
us.
1:11:59
Yeah,
1:12:00
it
1:12:01
is
1:12:01
true.
1:12:01
After
1:12:02
we
1:12:02
die,
1:12:02
we
1:12:02
go
1:12:03
beyond
1:12:03
this
1:12:03
life.
1:12:04
But
1:12:04
while
1:12:04
we
1:12:04
are
1:12:05
in
1:12:05
this
1:12:05
life,
1:12:05
we're
1:12:05
not
1:12:06
here
1:12:06
just
1:12:06
to
1:12:06
get.
1:12:07
We're
1:12:07
here.
1:12:07
We
1:12:07
learn,
1:12:07
learning.
1:12:08
Our
1:12:08
capacities
1:12:09
are
1:12:09
developing.
1:12:10
There's
1:12:10
no
1:12:10
way
1:12:10
for
1:12:10
them
1:12:11
to
1:12:11
develop
1:12:11
except
1:12:12
by
1:12:12
having
1:12:12
a
1:12:13
physical
1:12:13
body
1:12:13
and
1:12:14
nervous
1:12:14
system.
1:12:15
And
1:12:16
soul
1:12:16
needs
1:12:16
that
1:12:17
to
1:12:17
develop
1:12:17
some
1:12:18
of
1:12:18
its
1:12:18
capacities.
1:12:20
And.
1:12:20
Hameed,
1:12:20
how
1:12:21
does.
1:12:21
This
1:12:21
is
1:12:21
kind
1:12:21
of
1:12:22
maybe
1:12:22
one
1:12:23
of
1:12:23
my
1:12:23
tangents,
1:12:23
but
1:12:24
how
1:12:24
does
1:12:24
creativity
1:12:26
fit
1:12:26
into
1:12:26
this,
1:12:27
the
1:12:27
individual
1:12:28
soul
1:12:28
and
1:12:29
creativity?
1:12:29
Our
1:12:30
creativity
1:12:31
is
1:12:31
basically.
1:12:32
Yeah,
1:12:33
it's
1:12:33
like
1:12:34
giving
1:12:34
voice
1:12:35
to
1:12:35
the
1:12:35
creativity
1:12:36
of
1:12:36
the
1:12:36
universe.
1:12:37
Whole
1:12:38
universe
1:12:38
is
1:12:38
being
1:12:39
created
1:12:39
instant
1:12:40
by
1:12:40
instant.
1:12:41
What
1:12:41
happened
1:12:42
naturally,
1:12:42
spontaneously,
1:12:43
from
1:12:44
perspective,
1:12:44
the
1:12:44
Absolute
1:12:45
and
1:12:46
the
1:12:46
artistic
1:12:47
creativity
1:12:48
is
1:12:48
sort
1:12:48
of
1:12:48
natural.
1:12:49
It
1:12:49
comes
1:12:49
from
1:12:50
unknown
1:12:51
places.
1:12:51
Sort
1:12:52
of
1:12:52
just
1:12:52
happens.
1:12:53
It
1:12:53
does.
1:12:53
I'm
1:12:53
a
1:12:54
singer
1:12:54
and
1:12:54
a
1:12:54
songwriter
1:12:55
and
1:12:55
a
1:12:55
musician.
1:12:55
And
1:12:56
when
1:12:56
it
1:12:57
happens,
1:12:57
it's
1:12:58
like.
1:12:58
Yeah,
1:12:59
it
1:12:59
just
1:13:00
happens.
1:13:00
It's
1:13:01
a
1:13:01
mystery.
1:13:01
I
1:13:02
think
1:13:02
it's
1:13:02
like
1:13:02
the
1:13:02
logos
1:13:03
is
1:13:03
touching
1:13:04
the
1:13:04
soul
1:13:04
there.
1:13:05
Beautiful.
1:13:06
Let's
1:13:07
see.
1:13:07
I
1:13:07
think
1:13:07
we've
1:13:08
covered
1:13:08
most
1:13:09
of
1:13:09
the
1:13:09
themes
1:13:10
in
1:13:10
the
1:13:10
chapter.
1:13:10
Is
1:13:11
there
1:13:11
anything
1:13:11
you'd
1:13:11
like
1:13:12
to
1:13:12
add,
1:13:12
Hameed?
1:13:13
And
1:13:13
also,
1:13:14
is
1:13:14
there
1:13:14
one
1:13:15
thing
1:13:15
you'd
1:13:15
really
1:13:16
like
1:13:16
people
1:13:16
to
1:13:17
take
1:13:17
away
1:13:17
from
1:13:17
this
1:13:18
chapter
1:13:18
and
1:13:18
discussion?
1:13:19
I
1:13:19
think
1:13:20
we
1:13:20
covered
1:13:20
it
1:13:21
just
1:13:21
to
1:13:21
realize
1:13:22
what
1:13:22
reality
1:13:23
means
1:13:23
from
1:13:23
a
1:13:24
non
1:13:24
dual
1:13:24
perspective,
1:13:25
from
1:13:25
the
1:13:26
perspective
1:13:26
of
1:13:26
the
1:13:26
vastness
1:13:28
of
1:13:28
true
1:13:28
nature,
1:13:29
whether
1:13:29
it's
1:13:29
absolute
1:13:30
or
1:13:30
consciousness,
1:13:31
that
1:13:32
reality
1:13:32
includes
1:13:33
the
1:13:33
physical
1:13:34
world.
1:13:36
And
1:13:36
I
1:13:36
think
1:13:36
I've
1:13:36
said
1:13:37
this
1:13:37
before,
1:13:37
but
1:13:37
again,
1:13:38
one
1:13:38
of
1:13:38
the
1:13:38
things
1:13:39
I
1:13:39
just
1:13:39
really
1:13:40
appreciate
1:13:40
about
1:13:41
the
1:13:42
vision
1:13:42
you
1:13:42
offer
1:13:42
us
1:13:43
and
1:13:43
the
1:13:43
realization
1:13:44
from
1:13:44
which
1:13:44
you
1:13:45
speak,
1:13:45
Hameed,
1:13:45
is
1:13:46
that
1:13:46
it's
1:13:46
utterly
1:13:47
inclusive
1:13:48
and
1:13:48
it
1:13:49
just
1:13:49
makes
1:13:49
room
1:13:50
for
1:13:51
the
1:13:51
full
1:13:52
range
1:13:52
of
1:13:53
everything
1:13:53
from
1:13:54
our
1:13:54
individual
1:13:55
human
1:13:55
expressions
1:13:57
through
1:13:57
to
1:13:58
the
1:13:58
vastness
1:13:59
and
1:13:59
multidimensionality
1:14:00
and
1:14:01
mystery
1:14:01
of
1:14:01
the
1:14:01
cosmos.
1:14:02
It's
1:14:02
a
1:14:02
beautiful
1:14:03
vision.
1:14:03
Thank
1:14:04
you
1:14:04
so
1:14:04
much
1:14:04
for
1:14:04
sharing
1:14:04
it.
1:14:05
Yeah.
1:14:05
It
1:14:05
just
1:14:05
happened
1:14:06
to
1:14:06
be
1:14:06
what's
1:14:06
needed
1:14:07
in
1:14:07
the
1:14:07
world
1:14:07
these
1:14:07
days.
1:14:08
Yeah.
1:14:09
Yeah.
1:14:10
Who
1:14:10
wants
1:14:11
spiritual
1:14:11
fundamentalism?
1:14:14
It's
1:14:15
all
1:14:15
democratic,
1:14:16
all
1:14:17
across
1:14:17
the
1:14:17
board.
1:14:18
Yeah.
1:14:19
Yeah.
1:14:20
Well,
1:14:20
no
1:14:20
one
1:14:20
will
1:14:21
ever
1:14:21
accuse
1:14:21
you
1:14:21
of
1:14:21
being
1:14:22
fundamentalist
1:14:22
to
1:14:23
me.
1:14:25
Yeah.
1:14:25
But
1:14:26
we
1:14:26
can
1:14:26
say
1:14:27
that
1:14:27
you
1:14:27
and
1:14:27
your
1:14:27
teacher
1:14:28
are
1:14:28
an
1:14:28
incredible
1:14:28
gift.
1:14:29
And
1:14:29
we're
1:14:29
just.
1:14:30
We
1:14:30
feel
1:14:30
very
1:14:31
graced
1:14:31
to
1:14:31
be
1:14:31
able
1:14:31
to
1:14:32
be
1:14:32
instruments
1:14:33
through
1:14:33
which
1:14:33
it
1:14:34
can
1:14:34
get
1:14:34
out
1:14:34
there.
1:14:35
And
1:14:35
just
1:14:35
to
1:14:35
acknowledge
1:14:36
we
1:14:36
are
1:14:37
hearing
1:14:37
from
1:14:37
so
1:14:38
many
1:14:38
people
1:14:38
how
1:14:38
valuable
1:14:39
these
1:14:39
conversations
1:14:40
are
1:14:40
to
1:14:40
have
1:14:41
you
1:14:41
laying
1:14:42
out
1:14:42
your
1:14:42
vision
1:14:43
in
1:14:43
its
1:14:43
fullness
1:14:44
like
1:14:44
this.
1:14:44
So
1:14:45
it
1:14:45
makes
1:14:45
me
1:14:45
happy
1:14:46
that
1:14:46
that's
1:14:46
happening.
1:14:47
That's
1:14:47
what
1:14:47
that.
1:14:47
Yeah,
1:14:47
I
1:14:47
get.
1:14:48
I
1:14:48
get
1:14:48
that
1:14:48
all
1:14:48
the
1:14:48
time.
1:14:48
I
1:14:49
do.
1:14:49
Some
1:14:49
other
1:14:49
group
1:14:49
people
1:14:50
are
1:14:50
always
1:14:50
talking
1:14:50
about
1:14:50
these
1:14:50
conversations.
1:14:51
Also,
1:14:52
Roger
1:14:52
and
1:14:52
I
1:14:52
have
1:14:52
come
1:14:53
to
1:14:53
the
1:14:53
conclusion
1:14:53
that
1:14:53
we
1:14:54
really
1:14:54
like
1:14:54
you.
1:14:56
That's
1:14:56
important,
1:14:56
too.
1:14:57
Well,
1:14:58
it's
1:14:58
mutual.
1:14:58
I'm,
1:14:59
you
1:14:59
know,
1:15:00
got
1:15:00
them
1:15:00
to
1:15:01
like
1:15:01
both
1:15:01
of
1:15:01
you.
1:15:02
I
1:15:02
think
1:15:02
I've
1:15:03
been
1:15:03
enjoying
1:15:04
talking
1:15:04
with
1:15:04
the
1:15:04
two
1:15:05
of
1:15:05
you.
1:15:06
Well,
1:15:06
it's
1:15:07
been
1:15:07
a
1:15:07
privilege
1:15:07
and
1:15:08
delight
1:15:08
for
1:15:09
us,
1:15:09
so
1:15:09
thank
1:15:09
you
1:15:10
so
1:15:10
much,
1:15:10
Amit.
1:15:11
We'll
1:15:12
continue
1:15:12
it
1:15:12
next
1:15:12
time.
1:15:13
You
1:15:13
bet.
1:15:14
God
1:15:14
bless,
1:15:14
everybody.
1:15:15
Thank
1:15:15
you.
1:15:16
Thank
1:15:16
you
1:15:16
very
1:15:17
much
1:15:17
for
1:15:17
being
1:15:18
a
1:15:18
part
1:15:18
of
1:15:18
this
1:15:18
conversation.
1:15:19
We
1:15:19
hope
1:15:20
that
1:15:20
you
1:15:20
were
1:15:20
moved,
1:15:21
as
1:15:21
we
1:15:21
are
1:15:21
moved,
1:15:22
being
1:15:22
part
1:15:22
of
1:15:22
it
1:15:23
ourselves.
1:15:23
We'd
1:15:24
also
1:15:24
like
1:15:24
to
1:15:24
say
1:15:25
that
1:15:25
this
1:15:25
is
1:15:25
being
1:15:26
funded
1:15:26
by
1:15:26
Roger
1:15:27
and
1:15:27
myself.
1:15:27
It
1:15:27
comes
1:15:28
out
1:15:28
of
1:15:28
our
1:15:28
pockets.
1:15:28
So
1:15:29
if
1:15:29
you
1:15:29
would
1:15:29
like
1:15:29
to
1:15:29
help
1:15:30
us
1:15:30
to
1:15:31
mainly
1:15:31
to
1:15:31
get
1:15:31
this
1:15:32
podcast
1:15:32
out
1:15:32
to
1:15:33
more
1:15:33
people
1:15:33
because
1:15:33
the
1:15:34
bigger
1:15:34
audience
1:15:34
have,
1:15:34
which
1:15:35
is
1:15:35
steadily
1:15:35
growing,
1:15:35
but
1:15:36
the
1:15:36
more
1:15:36
people
1:15:36
we
1:15:37
can
1:15:37
reach
1:15:37
and
1:15:37
the
1:15:37
more
1:15:37
marketing
1:15:38
we
1:15:38
can
1:15:38
do,
1:15:38
the
1:15:39
more
1:15:39
positive
1:15:39
effect
1:15:40
we
1:15:40
can
1:15:40
have
1:15:40
on
1:15:40
the
1:15:41
world.
1:15:41
So
1:15:41
we've
1:15:42
done
1:15:42
that
1:15:42
a
1:15:42
couple
1:15:42
of
1:15:42
ways.
1:15:42
But
1:15:43
we'd
1:15:43
like
1:15:43
you
1:15:43
to
1:15:43
buy
1:15:44
us
1:15:44
a
1:15:44
cup
1:15:44
of
1:15:44
coffee.
1:15:45
Very
1:15:45
simple.
1:15:45
And
1:15:45
I
1:15:46
do
1:15:46
that
1:15:46
with
1:15:46
podcasts
1:15:47
that
1:15:47
I
1:15:48
support,
1:15:48
and
1:15:49
I
1:15:49
find
1:15:49
it
1:15:49
very
1:15:49
satisfying.
1:15:50
So
1:15:51
thank
1:15:51
you
1:15:51
for
1:15:51
your
1:15:51
help,
1:15:52
thank
1:15:52
you
1:15:52
for
1:15:52
your
1:15:52
presence,
1:15:53
and
1:15:53
thank
1:15:53
you
1:15:53
for
1:15:54
all
1:15:54
you
1:15:54
are
1:15:54
and
1:15:55
all
1:15:55
you
1:15:55
do.
1:15:55
We
1:15:55
love
1:15:56
you.