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11-3 H3: Gene Steratore Joins, Ben Johnson Cooking & Breaking News · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: former NFL official Gene Steratore. Brought to you by the
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  Speaker 1: Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment capital of the Northwest. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the official perspective of the NFL. Here's Chuck in the
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  Speaker 1: Morning with Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 2: 8 o'clock hour here on Chuck in the Morning, Sports
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  Speaker 2: Radio 93.3 KJRFM. And this is one of the conversations
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  Speaker 2: I have been looking forward to the most. We have
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest officials of all time and someone
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  Speaker 2: who is gracious enough to join us every single week.
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  Speaker 2: Gene Steratore joins the show this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, Gene.
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  Speaker 4: How are you? Good morning, Anderson. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Appreciate you coming on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: I know one of your great friends, Chuck, is on
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  Speaker 2: vacation this week, so you get to suffer through me
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  Speaker 2: for a good 15, 20 minutes here this morning, so
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of like it though.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Listening to you say.
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  Speaker 6: You know, one of the better officials, even sound a little.
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  Speaker 4: Better than Chuck.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes it's not as, you know, maybe not as genuine
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  Speaker 6: when Chuck say, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we also got Hugh Millen with us for a
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  Speaker 2: former NFL player and one of our chief analysts here
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  Speaker 2: on a sports radio, 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ton of questions that we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: to today, but I want to start with last night's game.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's top of mind here in Seattle on
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  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football. There's two main plays that I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask you about. The first one being on the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks second possession. It's third and eight. Sam Darnold is
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  Speaker 2: scrambling and gives himself up. Seemingly, Devin Bush hits him
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  Speaker 2: in the head with his back, which is an interesting
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  Speaker 2: kind of aspect to this play. But it definitely looked
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  Speaker 2: like Sam's Sam Darnold's head took like a snapback as
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  Speaker 2: he was sliding. There was no call for, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it wouldn't be hitting a defenseless receiver.
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  Speaker 4: It would be.
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  Speaker 2: Just a roughing kind of penalty there as he's sliding
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  Speaker 2: down and giving himself up.
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  Speaker 3: Unnecessary roughness, I should say.
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  Speaker 2: So kind of describe if this was the right call there,
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  Speaker 2: because there are people up in arms here in Seattle
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  Speaker 2: about what ended up happening or not happening there on
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  Speaker 2: that play.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt. No doubt.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, first and foremost, looking at the play and look,
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  Speaker 6: we have the luxury at home and all those other,
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  Speaker 6: you know, places that we get to watch all of
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  Speaker 6: these to see them over and over and looking at it.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's a foul.
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  Speaker 6: I can tell you from, from the years that I
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  Speaker 6: refereed when quarterbacks start to scramble, especially when they go
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  Speaker 6: up the middle and the traffic, you know, you're about
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  Speaker 6: 15 yards behind a quarterback as a referee and he
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  Speaker 6: is your primary responsibility. And when he starts North and South,
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  Speaker 6: and you start to feel like at some point he
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  Speaker 6: is going to slide. I was a referee that was
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  Speaker 6: quite frankly empathetic to defensive players in those types of
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  Speaker 6: slides that happen in the middle of the field because
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  Speaker 6: I always wanted to make sure that the defensive player
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  Speaker 6: hadn't committed to tackling or hitting that runner prior to
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  Speaker 6: the slide beginning because it's such a tough play for
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  Speaker 6: defensive people to do.
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  Speaker 4: They're doing their job. And with that said....
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  Speaker 6: Then you may have a slide that might be a
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  Speaker 6: little late or the quarterbacks or runners are trying to
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  Speaker 6: get every inch or yard they can before they commit
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  Speaker 6: to the slide.
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  Speaker 4: And then inevitably you see.
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  Speaker 6: A player that is going toward the ground, whether he
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  Speaker 6: is contacted in the head or neck or in the chest.
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  Speaker 6: And many times the result of that hit, even if
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  Speaker 6: it is a legal hit, you'll see a head or
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  Speaker 6: hit that ground really hard, which throws you immediately into
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  Speaker 6: flag and foul play.
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  Speaker 7: And then you look at the play, as you mentioned
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  Speaker 7: as well, the defensive players have adjusted so many different
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  Speaker 7: ways as we continue to make the rules safer and
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  Speaker 7: change the dynamics.
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  Speaker 6: You have a defensive player flying a thousand miles an hour,
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  Speaker 6: knowing like he has to get his shoulder, his head
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  Speaker 6: out of the way. So he's literally turning his body
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  Speaker 6: to make contact with his back, you know, so just
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  Speaker 6: so many elements to the play and quite frankly, empathy
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  Speaker 6: to Sean Smith and you're chasing it and trying to
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  Speaker 6: put all those pieces together. But truthfully, I think at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, when you see contact like that,
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  Speaker 6: if you throw flags, they're not questioned, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's kind of the way that we've gotten programmed to.
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  Speaker 6: Roughing the pass has been that way in some instances
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  Speaker 6: as well. But I think in that situation, a flag
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  Speaker 6: is warranted and we wouldn't be talking about it, I
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  Speaker 6: don't think, if it were thrown.
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  Speaker 5: And you would have... as an official, you would have
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  Speaker 5: called the fight. You would have thrown the fight.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a foul. And full transparency, look,
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  Speaker 6: I missed a couple of those, right? I missed one
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  Speaker 6: on Robert Griffith. I'll never forget it. Up in Minnesota,
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  Speaker 6: he slid late, rolled away from me. It was a
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  Speaker 6: late slide. I felt the defense committed. So, yeah, but
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  Speaker 6: looking at the play, I think it's a foul.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Gene, good to be with you. I really
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  Speaker 5: enjoy your segments. Let me take you to the last
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  Speaker 5: play of the third quarter. Jackson Smith and Jigba. He
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  Speaker 5: has a comeback route out there, you know, down to
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  Speaker 5: the two-yard line. And then the flag is dropped for OPI.
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  Speaker 5: What was your interpretation of that call? A lot of
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  Speaker 5: moving parts. And personally, I didn't like it for offensive
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  Speaker 5: pass interference. And I'll tell you why I didn't like it.
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  Speaker 5: You run the fade route. You run that snuggle play
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  Speaker 5: where you're going.
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  Speaker 6: To have hand fighting pretty close because they're going to
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  Speaker 6: press just because of where we are in the field.
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  Speaker 6: what you were looking at or what I would be
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  Speaker 6: looking at. And I was a downfield official when I
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  Speaker 6: started into the business. You look at that receiver's arm.
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  Speaker 6: When I look at Smith and Jigba's arm, his arm
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  Speaker 6: isn't completely fully extended, but it's close. It's not a
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  Speaker 6: fully bent arm, his elbow and arm bottom part. It's
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  Speaker 6: not at a right angle. So he's not into that
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  Speaker 6: place where we're smuggled. My arms talked and now I
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  Speaker 6: extend my arm pretty significantly to create separation. If you
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  Speaker 6: really watch the play, His arm is almost fully extended.
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  Speaker 6: There's a little bit of a bend, but not a lot.
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  Speaker 6: But when he does go from what is almost a
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  Speaker 6: full extension to kind of a full extension, there's also
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  Speaker 6: a defensive.
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  Speaker 4: Back that has hands on that arm, right? We're in
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  Speaker 4: that space, in my opinion, where, yeah, is there a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of separation? Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Does it get kind of equalized or, you know, kind
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  Speaker 6: of worked away from because of the defensive backs hands
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  Speaker 6: on that arm as well?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: To me, wave it off. No call. Big boy football.
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  Speaker 4: Next play. That's how I saw that play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gene, I'll just follow up on that really
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  Speaker 2: quick because it just seems like when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the letter of the law for that play, yes, you
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  Speaker 2: could probably technically call that an offensive pass interference. But
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  Speaker 2: when you're there, both guys are kind of grabbing at
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  Speaker 2: each other in a big moment. You've mentioned this multiple
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  Speaker 2: times before. You usually want to have the players decide
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  Speaker 2: the game there instead of a kind of– questionable refereeing
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  Speaker 2: decision would that kind of categorize in that way for
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  Speaker 2: you as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah listen i think there's letter of the law
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  Speaker 6: plays personal foul plays safety foul plays they're fouls we
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  Speaker 6: don't massage those plays you clip you trip Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you face mask your personal foul. I don't care where
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  Speaker 6: it happens on the field. I don't care how much
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  Speaker 6: impact it had at the point of attack.
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  Speaker 4: It's a foul. We don't want those plays anytime.
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  Speaker 6: When we start getting into these plays, that's when that
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  Speaker 6: two and 300 level of distinction, you can call it subjectivity.
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  Speaker 4: You can call it how, how are you going to
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  Speaker 4: officiate what is letter of the law foul.
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  Speaker 6: And look, if we refereed by letter of the law,
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  Speaker 6: all of these subjective plays would call holding every other play.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? So there are those elements
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  Speaker 4: that play in all of this.
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  Speaker 6: And then there's that second piece to me that I
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  Speaker 6: think great athletes start to know how to do things
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  Speaker 6: that quite frankly might be a little bit of a foul,
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  Speaker 6: but they're not big enough to put this into the
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  Speaker 6: game because I don't want to have to make that
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  Speaker 6: decision the rest of the night because it's not going
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  Speaker 6: to be good for the.
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  Speaker 4: Game at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 6: So then that's where I think you look at that.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that the extension of that arm is
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  Speaker 6: where you look at that play. When you teach an
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  Speaker 6: official to work offensive pass interference, defensive holding or pass
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  Speaker 6: interference on that play, when that offensive player has his
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  Speaker 6: arm fully extended before that defender got to him, that
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  Speaker 6: fully extended arm means I've gotten my arm out before
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  Speaker 6: you got to me and I've claimed that space. I
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  Speaker 6: can keep you away from me because I didn't push
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  Speaker 6: you away from me. So you have to look at
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  Speaker 6: certain indicators on players to make the level or distinction
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  Speaker 6: of level of advantage, disadvantage, for lack of a better phrase, right?
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  Speaker 6: Or something, a restriction or separation. Yeah, they're going to
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  Speaker 6: push a little bit at the top of the route.
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  Speaker 6: but we're not going to let him go from a
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  Speaker 6: bent to a fully 10 push off, but a little
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  Speaker 6: bump at the hip as the, at the top of
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  Speaker 6: the route, the ball comes and D box, turn around
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  Speaker 6: and yell at you to kind of look and go, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's you a little bit big guy, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: we're not going there today.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give me a little more. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the massaging of managing a football game. And hopefully,
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  Speaker 4: and it's not an easy thing to do.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, seven officials throughout a vast area or thinking in
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  Speaker 6: those same areas and working.
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  Speaker 4: The same way.
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  Speaker 6: And hopefully not just that crew's doing that every week,
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  Speaker 6: but then the other 16 games are being done the
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  Speaker 6: same way. So we have a level of expectation and
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  Speaker 6: consistency where that letter of the law stuff doesn't start
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  Speaker 6: creeping in.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's well, yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Go ahead here.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Gene steritor with us uh unequivocally the greatest official in
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  Speaker 5: any sport.
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  Speaker 4: Even better from you did i do.
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  Speaker 6: Better than anders yeah that was perfect hey you knocked
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  Speaker 6: this out of the park this is really good now
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  Speaker 6: all right we'll.
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  Speaker 5: Knock this out of the park how about Gene, Chiefs
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  Speaker 5: and Broncos, hell of a goal line stand, right? Incredible.
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  Speaker 5: But the false start on the last drive negating that
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  Speaker 5: winning touchdown, how did you interpret that?
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  Speaker 6: I'm old school with you. To me, flinch is a flinch.
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  Speaker 6: If you're early by two camera friends, you're early. It's
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  Speaker 6: a black and white play, and I can give you
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  Speaker 6: a little philosophical feel on that from my perspective. If
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  Speaker 6: we allow, and we have seen this kind of grow
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  Speaker 6: into the group, naturally the NFL is a copycat league.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen, we always know left tackle. Sometimes they'll cheat
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  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 6: They won't get all the way up or they'll kind
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  Speaker 6: of roll the snap, timing it with the snapper, trying to,
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  Speaker 6: to win that half second or two or three camera
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  Speaker 6: frames to either get back in past defense or, or to,
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  Speaker 6: or to get off. Right. So it's a really tight
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  Speaker 6: play that we really, really don't want to ever call
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  Speaker 6: a false start because that tackle or that guard moved
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  Speaker 6: right when the center started to snap the ball. So
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  Speaker 6: at times, I think philosophically, we think if it feels
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  Speaker 6: like he is a little early, leave it alone.
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  Speaker 4: He may have moved with the ball.
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  Speaker 6: But as we've continued to work that way philosophically, what
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  Speaker 6: are teams going to do? Hey, they're not really calling that.
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  Speaker 6: And we were a couple of camera frames early. So
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  Speaker 6: let's keep getting off until they do. So now we
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  Speaker 6: have more of those types of plays happening because we
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  Speaker 6: may not have gone real detailed and specific to that.
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  Speaker 6: And because of that, we have more samples of those
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  Speaker 6: plays and we're probably being challenged with having more of them.
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  Speaker 6: And then we have a play like this, which, look,
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  Speaker 6: he moves the leg. Now, whether he was doing that
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  Speaker 6: or got stung by the bee, we used to say,
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  Speaker 6: or was he moving that subtly? And, you know, a
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  Speaker 6: little hand flick in that line of scrimmage with somebody
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  Speaker 6: six inches from you. It triggers somebody. It's a neutral
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  Speaker 6: zone infraction all of a sudden. Or it's something, the
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  Speaker 6: gaming that happens down there with fingers and hands even
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  Speaker 6: is surreal when you're down there in the moment. So
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  Speaker 6: my feeling is, listen, let's be good enough that if
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  Speaker 6: they're early, they're early. And if we call it. then
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  Speaker 6: guess what? They're going to be a little more apprehensive
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  Speaker 6: to try to roll that snap now because they're saying, guys,
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  Speaker 6: they're calling this man. So how about we just stay
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  Speaker 6: in our formation or in our stands.
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  Speaker 4: Two camera frames behind that snap count. Now we have
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  Speaker 4: less of these showing up.
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  Speaker 6: We're way more consistent and players don't try to push
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  Speaker 6: the edge because they don't want the five yard foul
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  Speaker 6: for a false start because they're trying to cheat it
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  Speaker 6: by a friend.
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  Speaker 4: So I think in some ways, philosophically, we may have
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  Speaker 4: recreated more of these plays.
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  Speaker 6: And then when we do get the play right, people
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  Speaker 6: are saying, why are they doing that? Well, they're doing
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  Speaker 6: it because he moved before the bubble got snapped, okay?
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  Speaker 6: So I think if we did that across the board
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  Speaker 6: and maybe- It would take two or three weeks where
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  Speaker 6: everybody would be so upset because we had eight more
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  Speaker 6: false starts this week. And what are they doing? I
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  Speaker 6: think it then would settle and would take, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we really don't even see that play call that much anymore. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Because players would be more apprehensive to try to pull
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  Speaker 6: that off. That's my feeling on the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: In a nutshell. And I probably went longer than to
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  Speaker 4: tell you, no, it's a false start.
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  Speaker 2: No, we love the full explanation, and that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the give an inch, take a mile sort of factor there.
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  Speaker 2: So let's move to the Lions-Vikings game. There were two
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  Speaker 2: early taunting penalties on the Lions, and I just kind
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  Speaker 2: of want to put this in. One of them was
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  Speaker 2: on Amon Ross St.
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  Speaker 6: Brown.
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  Speaker 2: One of them was on Jamison Williams. So I just
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  Speaker 2: want to kind of ask this in a general way. A,
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  Speaker 2: with those taunting to you, it's hard to tell. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: you can't hear what they're saying. But in a division
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  Speaker 2: rivalry game where, you know, one team's undefeated, one team's
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  Speaker 2: trying to knock them off the pedestal. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: it's an official trying to set a tone early in
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  Speaker 2: the game that they're not going to accept that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing.
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  Speaker 3: How would you have refereed that decision?
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  Speaker 4: That's fair to say that.
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  Speaker 6: And different crews work different ways in some ways, and
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  Speaker 6: officials work different ways.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a basketball guy that liked to call up keys, right?
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  Speaker 6: I didn't want to come right out as soon as
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  Speaker 6: the coach stepped over the coaching box or started to
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  Speaker 6: half-take his jacket off on a call that maybe wasn't
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  Speaker 6: that good. I didn't whack him right away. I was
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  Speaker 6: more of the other kind of guy. And in this
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  Speaker 6: first one especially... To me, there's a heck of a hit.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a crack. The receiver's coming back. He gets
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  Speaker 6: a great hit on a D-back or safety.
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  Speaker 4: He follows him through the play, and he's standing there
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  Speaker 4: for a minute. Yeah, is he over him? Yeah, but
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  Speaker 4: is he straddling? No. When the D-back gets up, is
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  Speaker 4: there contact? No. Are they wolfing a little bit? Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: This is a divisional game halfway through the season where
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  Speaker 6: we're setting the tone with not only playoffs, but maybe
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  Speaker 6: which house we got to come through to play in
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  Speaker 6: the postseason.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the table. But to make yourself present is
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  Speaker 4: how we worded it in our pregame. Listen, we know
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  Speaker 4: what we're going into tomorrow. This is Saturday talk.
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  Speaker 6: Let's make sure as soon as these plays end, guys,
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  Speaker 6: even if we don't see people on top of people,
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  Speaker 6: all of you outside officials start according.
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  Speaker 4: We called that coming in, closing in. Make yourself present.
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  Speaker 6: That first one to me is a fly in there
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  Speaker 6: almost like it's a fumble play, right? And get to
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  Speaker 6: those players and look at both of them. Walk 14
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  Speaker 6: back because he initiated it after a good hit and
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  Speaker 6: he wants to let this guy know he'll be here
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  Speaker 6: all day. So I'm walking him. Walking him away and
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  Speaker 6: while we're walking, I'm talking. And then I'm turning back
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  Speaker 6: and looking at the other guy and saying, I know
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  Speaker 6: where we are today, but.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to me. I'm here all day.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to be behind you every step of the way.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: So let's not go there now. The game's too big.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: When you start telling players what they know, this game's
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: too big for you to lose your composure. Quite frankly,
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: that's when officiating and coaching starts to work on the
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: same team briefly when no one knows it. Coaches don't
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: want these plays either, but they want them to play
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: at the utmost intensity, but in a controlled manner.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: So do refs.
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: So let's use these opportunities. If they're egregious, they're egregious, right?
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, it is what it is. Those swingers were
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: the tone setters. My preference always was let's make ourself visible.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: Let them know we're here. I did it in every
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: basketball game. As soon as I got under the hoop
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: on the second or third possession, if you had big
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: players that were banging, their backs were to you. They
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: didn't know if you were looking at them or not.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: And quite frankly, I wasn't ever looking at them. But
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: I would just say, easy, easy, and turn my head.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: They all thought I was talking to them. Every player
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: down there thought it was them. And it was none
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: of them, right? But it was a presence thing. And
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: within those presence or letting them know you're there, they
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: also respect the fact that you know what they're in.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: But we're only going to go so far guys. All right.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: And I'm here with you. Let's cut that crap at
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: this point. Let's keep playing. I think games flow better.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: That's how we worked. But then there are those that
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: throw flags and set tones. And, you know, you don't
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: want to say, look, my way isn't the only way,
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: but that was my philosophy on how to handle intensity.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Gene and Gene's territory with this. I've got an observation
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: and I think you're the perfect guide because of your
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: basketball career. training as well, and my question is this,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: and this obviously is not personal, but I feel that
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: the officiating now almost is worse than I've ever seen
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: it in the following regard. The defensive pass interference, you
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: saw that abysmal play, Alabama and Georgia, that would be
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: exhibit one. But what I think is great about football
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: is you have this incredible physicality and combat in the trenches.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: But within the same game, we do have a finesse
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: game in the passing game. And I see routinely that.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver is going up with two hands to
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: catch a ball because that's generally how you have to
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: do it. And before the ball gets there, the defender
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: is pulling one arm down, and now all of a
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: sudden he can't catch it. And clearly the arm is
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: getting ripped before the ball arrives.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: And then we say, well, that's a bang-bang play.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: No, it's not a bang-bang play. That's like Kobe Bryant
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: going down the lane and rising up for an eight-footer,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: and you hit him on the wrist. Well, you materially
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: impacted his ability to make that shot. You impeded the
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: finesse part of the game. And I think that's what's
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: happening in pass interference. And I don't know if you
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: share that observation. Just would love to have your comments
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: about that because I'm sick and tired of seeing– DPI
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: not called when the ball is receivers are getting stripped
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: before the ball gets there.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well said to you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: And listen, and I did use basketball in some of
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: the phraseology and the way I work certain plays in
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: basketball to how I would work past interference plays.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And I train a lot of small college officials.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I oversee 52 schools in five States over here on
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: this side of the country with small college officiating. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: a lot of that verbiage you are trying to implement
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: in there. There's a time when you're in basketball, a
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: defensive person jumps straight up in the air and goes
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: vertical and walls up and there's contact and there's no foul.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: And that's very good. He's entitled to his space. So
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: a lot of those things start to cross over.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: But you know what?
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: If I hit you on the arm and your arm
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: goes down, I don't care if you jump vertically or not.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: This is a major impact and created a major disadvantage.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: On the shot. It's a foul.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: The other thing I would say that is also something
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: we should all try to embrace a little more and
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: appreciate officiating and then also criticize it when it doesn't happen.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Angles are everything in a lot of things in sports
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: and most definitely in officiating. There are many plays where
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: an officiator primary receiver is that widest receiver and this
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: play's happening right down the sideline to get him or
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: her and they have to create a cushion hopefully so
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: the more space they get the more perspective they can
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: and the game will slow down if you've got space.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: But now all of a sudden that arm pull down
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: or that restriction may occur on the inside part of
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: that play.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: And my angle, quite.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Frankly, even though I'm the only person in the screen
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: with a striped shirt and the world thinks that I
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: can see all of what that camera is seeing, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: may not see that. That's where the official in the
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: middle of the field who transitioned from a different player
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: once the ball went in the air to go from
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: your man to a certain zone and then to the ball.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: When that triumvirate, it's.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: A short wing official, it's a deep wing official, it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: the back judge in the middle, all three of them
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: on a play down the sideline. When that mesh point
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: happens with players and everything else, There should be six
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: eyes there. Now we have this play surrounded. Everybody knows
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: which piece of this play they're primary on because of
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: their angle. And then it is digest the play. Watch
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: this thing in its totality. Make sure there's a significant
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: disadvantage or hindrance. Take the breath, which you don't get
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: in basketball, which is another thing about football that makes
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: it beautiful. It's not a block charge play. Let the
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: play finish. Digest the play. and then throw your flag.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: But when you see things that create an advantage or
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: rise to that level, it's not just hand fighting.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Then come in. It might be.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: An official that's 20 yards away that's looking at that
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: play inside-out and sees that backhand get pinned right before
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: the other.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And there's triggers.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: You'll see a one-hand start up and then the second
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: hand kind of following, but it's not.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: In sync with it. There's a reason.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Because if this one hand's over my head and the
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: other one just got to my shoulder, oh my, there's
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: probably a good chance that maybe that arm got pinned
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: in the first four camera frames before.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: That, you know what I mean?
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: So within all of those little places, this is the
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: art of officiating as a team unit and understanding that
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: you may not be the closest official, but if you're
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: working through your progressions, then you are a primary official
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: on a piece of this play And that's the cohesiveness
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: that all crews strive to have because.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Plays are too big.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: You know, this game, as you know, you look, people
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: say impact will play last two minutes. Listen, if you
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: had a third and 10 in the first quarter and
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: you were at your own three yard line, and now
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I call a really bad defensive hold that gives another
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: team a first down and they take three more minutes
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: off the first quarter clock and they punt from their
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: 30 instead of their end zone. have affected this football
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: game from that moment on for the rest of the day, right?
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: That's the level of understanding you have to take when
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: you get into this business that it could be one
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: foul in an insignificant time that changed the dynamic of
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: how this game flowed for the next 50 minutes. So
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: every single play is impactful and they need to be
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: officiated that way as well. And that requires a ton
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: of work and we're human and we miss them at times,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: but we need to our percentages need to be better, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: We need to, as we used to say, we can't
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: miss layups.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: If you miss layups in officiating every other 50, 50
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: play for the rest of the day, don't expect anyone
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: to trust you because you missed the layup. And that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: another aspect of the business that you try to continuously push, right?
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Is always get the ones that we get, you know.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, There we go, Gene. I thought I lost you
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: for a second there. No, it's all good. We really
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: appreciate you hopping on the show today. It's always good
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to get an official's insight. I know it's hard to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: get a lot of these calls correct, but don't worry.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You'll be back with Chuck Powell next week, and we
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: can get back to our regularly scheduled programming here. So
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: appreciate you hopping on the show. We'll talk to you
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: again soon, okay?
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: You got it guys. And heads up in Seattle.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: I know it's four and four, but look at the
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: real season's about to begin.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of football left to be played. Keep
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: playing each week, right guys?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thanks so much, Gene. We'll talk again soon.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: That's Gene Steratore.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Appreciate him hopping on the show today.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Let's get back.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald versus Ben Johnson was a discussion point all
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: week long, and it seemed like Ben Johnson got the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: best of him.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Does Hugh agree? We'll talk about that next. Sports Radio
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: 93.3 KJR FM. Welcome back, Chuck, in the morning.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. We got a special for
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: our Monday morning quarterback on a Tuesday with Hugh Millen
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: joining us here. Chuck will be back a little bit
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: later on this week. Anderson Hurst, Christopher Kidd filling in
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: for him until that happens. Hugh, rarely do we say
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that even in losses this year that Mike McDonald's defense got, uh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: kind of played out of the park a little bit. And, uh, it's,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: do you kind of come to that same conclusion that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I did that Ben Johnson's offense, um, outplayed Mike McDonald's
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: defense last night on Monday night football?
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, I would say if you just say yes
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: or no, it's binary.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Um, because you just look at, at, uh, you know, the,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: the results tell you what you need to know. I mean,
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: they were third down efficiency, you know, 47%, um, that's high. Uh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: you know, they had now they had 363 yards. Um, they,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: they controlled the ball. They, um, they got enough big plays. Um,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: if you were going to build an argument for, um, Mike,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, um, losing that battle, To Ben Johnson, I
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: would probably start at, you know, you look at the
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: big plays. There were six completions by Caleb Williams where
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the ball was in the air 10 or more yards, okay?
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: The first one, we talked so much about keep Caleb
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Williams in the pocket. And Mike Morris lost contain there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: He allowed the right-handed quarterback to get to the right-hand side,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: and then now Colson Loveland was running an out-breaking route,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: and you get 15 yards there. All of the other
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: ones were intermediate in-breaking routes, and you had Luther Burden
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: for 23 yards. He's coming in a deep in-route. Now,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: that was caught just barely inside the hash mark, so
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: it was in the middle of the field, but it
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: was coming left to right. Other than that, the other
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: four were all in this weird space between the numbers
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: and the hash on the left side only. You had
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: 18 yards to Odunze, 24 yards to Odunze, 23 yards
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: to Odunze, 22 yards to Odunze, and they were all
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: caught in the same spot. And the one that would
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: probably be most– I don't know– prideful for Ben Johnson.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: They did a direct snap to Dion, uh, Deandre Swift.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: He goes over laterals, the ball to Caleb Williams. They're
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: doing the same kind of protection where they had moved
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: the pocket. Now it's Caleb Williams in the pocket, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: he's just throwing a deep in route, and it's going against,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: because they had beat the other corners, now they got
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Witherspoon over there, and Witherspoon's getting beat, and because of
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: the window dressing and the play originating from Wildcat, they
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: had a couple of the left tackle and left guard
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: go over like it's going to be a screen, so
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: the following Seahawks, Uh, yeah. DeMarcus Lawrence, Jaron Reed, Ernest Jones,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: and Nick M and worry. I mean, that's like the
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: who's who of the Seahawk defense damn near. And they
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: were over guarding for a screen, uh, uh, back to
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Deandre Swift. And meanwhile, Caleb Williams is in the pocket
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: knife and another dagger deep down the field. And as
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: I said, 24 yards, um, on that game. So, so
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I think there was enough big plays. There was enough production.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: from the, uh, the, the running game. Uh, now we
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: talked in the six o'clock hour, how, uh, how that, that, uh,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: that little smoke screen to the wide receiver was about
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: a six inches backwards. So it ends up in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: running category. Uh, so, so 39 yards, uh, uh, you
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: take that off and the bears had a little under
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: 100 yards. It would have been 87 yards, and it
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: would have been 2.56 yards per attempt. So that would
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: be the one area the Seahawks won of the phase
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: would be run defense, in my opinion. But then you
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: take Caleb Williams. If you do what I just said,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: now Caleb Williams, 247 yards. You're adding 39 to that,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: and you're at 286 yards and a pass rating up
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: near 110 yards. So I think that the, the bear
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: offense did just enough that if you were, if you
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: were great, you were grading it and judging it, you'd
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: give the slight nod to Ben Johnson.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: That pains me to say it, man, that, that, that,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: that cuts me deep to say that, but I think
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: that's the objective analysis.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And it, just seemed like they were one step ahead
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of Mike McDonald, which is rare to say. They always
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: kind of had an answer for whatever he brought.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I think the comment was made earlier on the, on
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: the 39 yard or the bliss that that was out coaching.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with that analysis because you had, you had, man-to-man,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: just a four-man rush, and it wasn't some blitz. Had
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: you thrown a smoke screen and you beat the blitz,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: then I would be on board like, okay, the offensive
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: call beat the defensive call. But that was just man-to-man
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: with a four-man rush, and you had blocks out there
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: at the point of attack. Eamon Worry had an opportunity.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: He got blocked. Ernest Jones took an angle underneath. He
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: took an aggressive angle, so he got blocked. And then
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: the safeties lost leverage. Ty Okada was over the top,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: but Julian Love, who is maybe my favorite Seahawks player,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: but he gets blocked by Loveland. He overran the play.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: If you're coming from the inside out, you've got to
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: keep inside leverage on the football. And so they had
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a fundamental breakdown there. but it wasn't a play call
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: win by Ben Johnson on that play.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just at the end of the day.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: In my opinion.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, I think that opinion is shared with many
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Seahawks fans. It's just whatever it ends, it's 4-4, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks find themselves at 500 eight weeks or eight
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: games into the season, I should say. Is the division
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: out of the picture? We'll discuss that next on Sports
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Radio 93.3 KJRFM. is Jason Kanzler, who is now officially
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: being hired as the next Mariners manager. We've talked about
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: on Chuck's show multiple times. The finalists were down to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Joe Espada and Jason Kanzler, both a part of that
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: 2022 Astros world champion staff. This is a guy in
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Jason Kanzler who has not been a manager at any
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: level besides when he was... Be a chemistry and physics
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: teacher at Katie High School. But then he joined the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Astros as a minor league hitting coach in 2019 and
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: then joined the major league coaching staff before the 2022 season.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Of course, that was the year they did win the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: World Series. And then the Chicago Cubs hired him as
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the director of their farm system in January of 2024.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find analysis on this guy because Chuck
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and I have been like, we don't know much about this.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Guy at all.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: This.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: More than anything else, seems like Jerry DiPoto going with
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: his gut and hiring an unknown commodity.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And he mentioned in the press conference leading up or
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: after the season, I should say that managerial experience was
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: something they were looking for. They end up not going
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: with that route. Joe Espada, of course, was the. manager
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: of the Houston Astros the past three seasons, but the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Mariners go in the opposite direction, hiring Jason Kanzler to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: be their new manager, according to multiple sources.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Hugh Millen, you know about this guy as much as
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I do, but what are your thoughts?
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know much, and I just think it's interesting
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: that we had heard from DePoto that manager experience was preferred,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: but not mandatory so i think that's the the first
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: story for me this first storyline is is um that
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: you know he's getting his first he's a rookie manager
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: yeah uh does that speak to um a certain cynicism
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: in the fan base that says well the boda wants
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: to have a guy that he that he can you
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: know uh control right there is such a thing um
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: and by the way just a programming thought There's an
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: hour and 10 minutes left in our show this morning, right?
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: And I think we are going to, of those 70 minutes,
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: we're going to keep Rick Neuheisel because he's so good
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: at the beginning of the 9 o'clock hour. But then
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: all of the rest, we're obviously pivoting.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: And we are going to discuss this Mariner hire. We
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: get some fan interaction, but we're efforting to get Chuck.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: We're efforting to get some analysts on here.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: And what have you, and, and, uh, be the, uh,
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  Speaker 5: the station for the fans on this, uh, this hire. So,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: so it's a little bit of a pivot from the, uh,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: the Monday morning quarterback on a Tuesday, right?
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Um, do I have that, uh, right?
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  Speaker 3: So absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Unless the powers above us make other decisions. That's kind
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: of our plan.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But, but, but how about that? Uh, Jason Kanzler.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, a 36-year-old.
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  Speaker 5: 36-year-old.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is now the second straight hire for Jerry
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: DiPoto that has never been a manager. So take that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: information what you will. Chuck has talked about it multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: There hasn't really been a candidate in this process that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: ultra excites most of the baseball analysts here today. If
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you either go with the known commodity who you think
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: is okay, meh, like Joe Espada, who wouldn't really be
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: winning the day, winning the press conference, so to speak,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: but you wouldn't necessarily be losing it, I guess. They're
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: going with their gut. They're feeling like this guy is
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: kind of the next up-and-coming guy in baseball, similar to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: what Steven Vogt was before he got hired in Cleveland. Remember,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the Mariners had Steven Vogt on their team staff. He
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be promoted to be their bench coach
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  Speaker 2: right before Cleveland then said, you know what? No, we
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: think this guy is going to be a really good manager.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: They hire him. He, of course, takes them to multiple
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: division titles. He goes to the ALCS this year and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: he's been regarded as one of the best managers in baseball.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: So it looks like the Mariners are looking to go
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: in a very similar direction here, trying to pick the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: next big thing with Jason Kanzler.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: He has been credited in large part for the development
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: of shortstop Jeremy Pena with the Astros in that 2022
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: title run. Then when he went to the Cubs, his
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: relationship with Alex Bregman may have been pivotal in some
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: people's eyes to allow the Cubs to sign Bregman to
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: that five-year deal. But mainly worked in the farm system
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: and assistant hitting– instructor. Um, I, I don't know. I, I, I, uh, I,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned that, that the depoto, uh, you know, the,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: the cloud, the oversight might be excessive. I think that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: there are some fans that said, Hey, let's, let's, let's
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: give me a, you know, a 50, 55 year old
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: who's got some experience that could stand up and say, Nope,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: we're doing it my way. So, um, if that is a, uh, uh,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: you know, uh, a kind of statement about where the
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: fans are, then, then right for right now, those questions
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: are still going to be, uh, remaining.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, and especially with a guy like we've talked about
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: multiple times, it doesn't have the managerial experience. So he's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: going to come in and this is the team that
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: gave him the, the opportunity. Uh, and, and the other
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: thing that we have to point out is you can't
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: blame the manager again, right? This is the last opportunity
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that this front office gets right. And Chuck's mentioned it
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: multiple times. If it, if it goes South and, If
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you don't make the playoffs again in 2027, however that
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: looks like, it's time to go for that front office.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Either he's the guy or.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: The Mariners have to basically start from scratch with their
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: front office. We'll have more reaction a little bit later on.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, we'll kind of pivot away from Monday
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: morning quarterback here. We got Rick Neuheisel next talking college football.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for that conversation, but we're efforting to get,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you know, either Chuck or another analyst to join us.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: And then later in the nine.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: O'clock hour, if you have talk backs, you can of
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: course still react to the Mariners news. Now, what is
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: your take on Jason Kanzler? Are you excited? The unknown commodity,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: maybe this is something that concerns you. Having no managerial experience,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: we'll try and get to those as much as we
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: possibly can, but let us know what your thoughts are.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: 49451 and the iHeartRadio app talkbacks. All right, let's get
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to Rick Neuheisel coming up next in the 9 o'clock hour,
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