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RHOC Recap with Katie Nahnsen · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Welcome back Drama, Darlings.
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It's a very special day today. There's a lot. There's a lad
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going in Orange County recap which we finally get into the Shannon Tamra thing.
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And if you are not subscribed to my Patreon, please do it now.
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Tomorrow I'm doing vander pump Rule's Secrets Revealed, and I'm also doing this week
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the Curious Case of Natalia Grace Deep Cleansing Breaths. I know that you are
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all watching that over on Max HBO Max, but anyway, it's over there,
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so check it out. It's a very bizarre and odd, heartbreaking story
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and you're going to be covering it. Sound that's fun anyway, So go
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ahead and subscribe to that over on Patreon. In the meantime, I am
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so delighted to introduce to you my incredible friend of so many years, Katie
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Nonsen, is here. Hi Katie, Hi friend. It's such a nice
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thing to say. Oh my gosh. Katie Nonsen, writer, performer,
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extraordinaire. She's currently working on Spendtuney. Where can people watch spend Tuny?
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It's Saturday nights on Me TV. You know what Brett Bartender Brett aka Brett
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bretteger Uh, he's been upgraded too. He's been promoted to my podcast manager.
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I don't know if you heard great good. He deserves it anyway,
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he is like he loves that show and we Your husband, Kevin works on
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it as well, right, Yes, that is so kind. Yeah,
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Kevin works on it. My brother in law, Stephen works on it.
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It's become a real family business. Are you guys from Jersey because this is
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actually you wouldn't be from Jersey because they can't actually make it work as family
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businesses. There's no Pizza Evans involved on No, this is like, this
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is this is the I guess third time professionally that I've worked with Kevin and
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the second time professionally that I've worked with Steven. Kevin and Stephen are always
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working together and stuff, so it's pretty bonkers like and it does. It
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does work because I write like Stephen and Kevin are kind of the main people
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on camera, and I'm on camera like every fourth episode probably doing like a
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character or something. So I mostly write it, and I write on it
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like I write, I write the show. So along with other people too.
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It's not just me, but like al c Emuels and oh, I
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didn't know he worked on that show. Oh my god, Emily, Hey,
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darlings, that's Emily Durasis, his husband show quite often, Oh my
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gosh, unbelievable, super small world. But it's it's it's fun because I
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write for Steven and and Well and Kevin, but like Stephen especially, I
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feel like I really get his character and his strengths and what he's good at
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and what you can like directions that he can be pushed in. So it's
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fun to do. I mean, it's amazing, especially because we all know,
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I mean, some of the darlings that have listened to my podcast and
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listen to my Serious sexem show over the years have know that like we all
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met in the improv world, Like we all met our spouses, we all
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met our partners in the improv world. So we've all been working together before
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we were lovers, you know what I mean. Like, so it's a
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very common thing too, you know, for couples in this world of comedy
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to actually successfully work together, because that's how we met. So and I
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always love seeing these stories and hearing these stories. But anyway, spend tuney
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and I'm so excited about that. Everybody check it out. Okay, So
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before we actually get into our orange, I can't talk today because you know,
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the parents are in town, all right. So it's like again my
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morning where it's like, do you have any asper cream and an old rag?
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I'm like, I don't know what is asper cream? I don't.
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He's like, it's what you put on. I was like, okay,
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but how is it different than regular cream? You know, it's it's this
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a lot of requests coming my way left and right, and I'm like trying
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to get ready and set up, and my dad's coming in here and he's
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like, hey, have you heard about that AI taken over. I'm like,
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yeah, it's gonna and take over the entire unifor we're all doomed,
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you know, in a light conversation before you sit your podcast. Yeah,
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Because he's up at like, you know, four thirty. I couldn't sleep,
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so I came out here, you know, almost stepped in the cat
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puke, which, by the way, they're the cat real big hairball.
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Sorry about that, guys, but uh, they're always the first to find
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the cat puke. If that ever happens because they're up before any of us,
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you know, so they're like, oh my gosh, like, well
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I would have found it. I mean, I get up at six,
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but like you're up at four thirty, the first person up is the one
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who gets to clean it up. Poor angels, I know, I know.
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I mean. And thank you, by the way to all the people
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who send me like hilarious cat videos. And again, my Instagram reels feed
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is all pets. It's all like, none of it is even Bravo related
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because when I scroll through reels, I'm usually doing it with Maddie and we're
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watching pet videos and stuff like that. So the algorithm on reels for me
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is all cat videos and maybe some dog videos here and there, some birds
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whatever. And then people send me them and they're just they're just hilarious.
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I just love them so much. I could go down a warmhall all day
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long. All right, Well that was our see You Next Cat Today segments,
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our unofficial See Next Catternary segment. Katie, let's get into some serving
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dish, Serving dish. Sonya Morgan and all the ladies have posted some video
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from Saint Bart's The Incredible Real Housewife Ultimate Girls Trip New York Legacy Shows.
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How many words does it have to be? It's too much to say this
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morning. But anyway, they're in Saint Bart's and Kelly ben Simone did a
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TikTok and now it's gone viral. It's basically all of them dancing towards the
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camera to don't Don't You Want Me? You know that song? Oh?
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Yeah, of course? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, you
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know how all the Ultimate Girls Trips always kick it off with a TikTok video.
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I don't know if you've seen, but this is there and it's very
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exciting. Yeah, they do, and I'm happy for them. I can't
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wait to see it. I'm still a little disappointed it's only going to be
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an Ultimate Girls Trip, But what are you going to do? I mean,
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at this point we have to accept accept it for what it is.
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Katie thoughts on Ultimate Girls Trip. Are you excited that they went back to
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Saint Bart's. Yeah, that seems to be kind of a magical place where
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a lot of really fun and entertaining things go down. So yeah, good,
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I mean, of course, good decision to go, yes the yeah,
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good producer decision. In other news, John Fuda Fuda is on fucking
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Cameo. You can find Fulkan Fuda on fulking Cameo. All right, so
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John Fuda from are you watching Jersey or No? It's a little intense right
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now. I don't know. I have not because it's a little intense right
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now, understandable, you know a lot of people. This is the first
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time that I've literally been like I needed to dip out now. That's it's
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so interesting because have you heard the phrase dipped out before the scandal all of
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it all, because it's been never in my life. I mean, when
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he said it, I knew what it meant, but I was like,
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huh, I guess that makes sense of something to say, But I know
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I never heard anybody say it in a sentence before. It's been on three
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other shows on Bravo. Because that was just Martha's Vineyard. That was Summerhouse,
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martha Vineyard. I just did that. That was Craig. That was
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Craig. Yeah, yeah, Okay, So anyway, I almost had to
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dip out, well almost, It's the end of the season, so I
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don't need to dip out. Also, it's my job, can't dip out.
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But I do feel that that emotion when you're watching Jersey. At this
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point for Reunion three, I was like, wow, I understand when people
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say I can't take this anymore and I'm not watching. Like, so,
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if you were to choose team well, I mean, if you were to
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choose to who was to come back, either Melissa or Teresa, who would
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it be? Teresa? Wow? Yeah? Entertainment value, right, is
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that what it is? Yes? Yes, she's she's an original and yeah,
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I oh, this is going to be controversial, especially since I just
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admitted that I haven't been watching much this season. Oh okay, well that
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you know what, darlings, make a note of that, because yeah,
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make a note, make it. This is based on many, many seasons
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prior. Okay, so there you go. Yeah, I just like Melissa
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isn't Melissa needs Teresa or Teresa doesn't mean Melissa on camera to do the two
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four on camera. Maybe not in life, but on camera and watching the
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show certainly. I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. You
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know. In other news, Southern Charms, Taylor. I don't know if
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you ever watched Southern Charm, but her brother just died and it's so wild.
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I know he was thirty six years old. So Taylor Anne Green as
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we know her, she was on the show Southern Charm. She was Shep's
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girlfriend for a while and famously infamously they broke up. Taylor's brother passed away
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at the age of thirty six. It doesn't say what the cause of death
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was, but it is devastating to hear this, especially you know, it's
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a bizarre coincidence because not too long ago, Olivia Flowers brother died and that
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was Austin's girlfriend, ex girlfriend, and he suffered from a debilitating lime disease,
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so he had passed. But it's two of the ex girlfriends from Southern
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Charm whose brothers both died at a very young age, within I would say,
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within months of each other. It's extremely sad. I was so sad
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to hear this. What a tragic coincidence. I know, I know,
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that's awful. I do watch. I'm sorry to hear that. Why don't
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we just swivel right into Orange County. Okay, let's get into it Orange
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County. Baby, that's the cheetah noise anyway, terrifying to everyone alike.
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Well, this is something that you and I can relate with. Katie because
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Emily and Jen. We start with Emily and Jensen and their Midwest broads and
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they just order drink and a coke and a smile, and I mean we
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can kind of relate with that, right, You're a Midwest gal. I'm
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a Midwest gal. We met in Chicago. Come on, it's us.
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Yeah, that's really common. A lot of Yes, that didn't weird me
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out at all. I didn't even think about it until they made it.
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Until they made a big deal about it and mentioned it like a thousand times
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about how they both ordered drinks. I'm like, oh, that's right,
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you do order like a diet coke and a glass of ice and something with
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alcohol in it and maybe some decaf coffee or you know whatever. Yes,
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oh my god, Den Needs would order coffee million percent like a pickleback.
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Yeah, absolutely, just what line it up? I mean for sure,
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it's so Midwest. I love it. Although I'm not a diet coke person.
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I'm a coke all the way. I don't I don't f with I
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don't f with a diet. I'm never a diet person. The flavor is
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not good and and also you know when it was nutril sweet, is it
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even it's not really nutrous sweet anymore. But when it was, that flavor
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would mess me up. But my system would be like, you know,
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i'd be, I don't know, flinch to it. Really, yeah,
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I feel like that was I think that that's probably why they don't put it
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in there anymore. I would guess. I would guess you weren't alone.
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I don't drink diet coke anymore, but ooh, I used to. And
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that idea of like having a uh, you know, some tequila or whatever
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with a side of diet coke and like that just was like, oh,
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that sounds so nostalgic to me, is it? It's really yester years like
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a bump of coke. I mean, it probably made you so wired too
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write it was kind of like having a red bull on the side. Absolutely
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not to accuse you of doing coke, Katie, I mean, let's just
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be clear about that. That was never my thing. But I did like
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a diet coke with like a glass of wine, which sounds so strange getting
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back to Jersey. That's a Jersey thing. A coke and and wine,
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you know, which I've had before. And look, I can't I can't
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shit on that. I really can't. I have had it, and I'm
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like, it's not that bad. It sounds disgusting, it's not it's refreshing.
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It's not that bad. I'm sorry to say, it's really nice.
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What can I say? What can I say? What can I say?
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Those Jersey girls they know something too, So I'm just like, I like
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getting to know this jeng Gal. I was like really surprised because last week
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we didn't really get into the fostering situation. I think maybe we did,
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you know, swiped over it, but I never landed on. Oh.
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Okay, so you fostered many kids over the years. You had four biological
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kids, and then this last child that you were fostering had such an intense
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story that you decided to adopt him dominic right, and I wanted to know
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more about that story. Like there, I feel like that there is a
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lot more details that were not uncovered. Skipping ahead, no thanks to Shannon
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on the boat interrupting, but very on brand something really, I mean,
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it's so on brand something like that. Okay, Yeah, Like Jen had
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a captivated audience and I was a captivated audience. Yes, let's get into
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this little sweet little boy, Like I want to know his story and your
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story with him, and but Shannon, she did Shannon is in her own
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world. I grew up on boats. Is that show? Is it?
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Johnson? I mean it was so Shannon made me laugh. I laughed a
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lot more in this episode than I was expecting. Shannon made me laugh.
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God bless Shannon. Please don't ever change a thing. And you know,
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and Heather du Bro made me laugh actually several times. Doing your own stunts
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in that scene where she jumped on that packing material, you know, actually
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made me laugh. And when she threw that shot and it just shattered everywhere
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on the boat, what was she thinking? Like what? And also just
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when they were at the end of the episode, when when dam Or and
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Emily were having that heart to her and She's just like, let me get
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in here. I want to sit right here and just like sitting on their
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laps, Like what instinct would you need to be? Like? Cool?
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Okay, they look like they're having a really in depth conversation about something important.
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I Am going to literally sit on their laps and get in their face
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and kiss them on the lips. I know, I know, I love.
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It was so weird and I loved it so much and I loved that
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Emily and her confessional was like she's an interrupter, Heather the interrupter. You
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know, she just gets it. I was like, I love I Look,
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we can't have entertainment unless someone's going to go sit on someone's lap and
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be like shamps have some kisses. And it was so funny because Tarma was
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so receptive to it. You know, she wasn't mad about it at all.
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I think Heather loves to do that. I remember at the at Bravocan
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when we had the panel, she went and sat on Tarma's lap during that
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too. She loves to get on a lap. She's a lap dancer,
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she's a lap she's a laphouse wife. I don't know, Well, she
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seems so confident in her skin, like she just seems real confident. Oh
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yeah, I don't know how else to put it, Like she's just comfortable
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in her own skin and should be. And so I don't know, like
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it would I don't know who I would ever do that to in my life,
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like sit on their lap, and you can do it to me,
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you can do to me you maybe if you were alone and like not having
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an intense conversation with somebody but can't you like see Jamie doing something like that?
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Though actually yes, I was like, who would do that? Jamie
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would do it and we'd be like, oh, she's so charming, you
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know what I mean. So it's so Jamie, which is also like the
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thing. You know, it's interesting because Heather does do stuff like that.
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She's always done stuff like that on brand for Heather too, and so why
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do we criticize Shenan and like and friendships over it? But with Heather we're
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just like, that's Heather. I know, right? Is it just because
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I don't know if it's the time and the place. But yeah, Emily
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had she could tell Heather had an issue. I'm sorry you could tell that
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Emily was annoyed at Heather, and Heather was picking up on that. She's
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like, can I ask a question? I can tell you're mad, but
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let me just ask it. But yeah, she really liked her, wanted
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to get in there. And also, I know we're jumping around, but
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I love it, but I love Emily. Emily was so great in this
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episode, and she is just up to bat right. She's just like,
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let me help here, let me do this. And typically we can get
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annoyed with some of those premeditated moves to try to get two people back together
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again or try to stir the pod or provoke something. But her I think
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her motivation was in a good place to try to get Shannon and Tarma back
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together. And I think that she was asking all the right questions. And
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I really liked that she didn't really go berserk when Tarma threatened her to hurt
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her, because that was I know a lot. I know. Emily was
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such the voice of reason in this episode, and that is a sight that
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is that is something that I would normally not say about her. Wow.
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I you say she's had growth, Katie, I would wow, I would.
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I mean, judging just on this episode alone, I was like,
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Oh, I want to hang out with Emily likes real cool. She does
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seem real cool. She does. She's that Joe really. I also loved
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in that scene, by the way, how they had subtitles of what was
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going on, like what the side conversations were, like saying, she's just
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rude, she's just always rude, that she always she's always doing stuff like
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that. She interrupted you when you were telling a story about your son,
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Like it was so because I think that if if those were subtitles weren't there,
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I wouldn't have picked up on it, like I would have had to
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rewind it and like pump up the volume a lot. So I was grateful
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to hear that side conversation was going on. And I love that they signed
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off on that too, that Jen was like, yeah, I do.
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And and of course we get Taylor because it's the first time Taylor has entered
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the scene and she's like, yeah, you can't. That's terrible, you
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know. She just was so she's so team camera and I'm so here for
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it already that that's the that's just happening right now to see what I have
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to tell us. It's so messy and Tamra coming back full force with this
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and just putting all her chips in on Shannon, and this fight is probably
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the best way to go, I suppose if you were to look at it
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from Housewives moves, I mean, she had she was genuinely hurt by Shannon.
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This situation, Katie, to me, is so sad actually because like,
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yeah, like it really did affect me in the sense that I thought
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you guys didn't fucking talk for two years. This is ridiculous. Over this
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like, and I thought, to be honest with you, I thought they're
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planning something behind our backs. They're gonna they're playing the long game to get
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Tamra back on the show. They're gonna start this feud the second Tamera was
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put on pause, and they're gonna ride it out until Tamra comes back and
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pick up that storyline. But I I don't know either the best actresses in
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the world and in the history of reality television, or they are both so
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petty that they could not get their shit together and come back together and make
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up after Tamra left. Like I can't believe it. I'm disappointed in both
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of them. I know. It's it's really tough that I feel like situations
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like this, you want to forget that they're actually real people and that this
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isn't a scripted show, because it is heartbreaking. Like I remember those those
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seven years of friendship where it's like, oh, they had like a real
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sweet thing going on. And also I do remember thinking, a dang Tamera
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is real available, real available? Oh yes, And were you thinking,
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oh, she's gonna cash in? Why do I keep making gambling references?
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You're gonna cash in those ships later? I guess. I guess like I'm
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I'm not. I hope I'm not a high maintenance friend, and I don't.
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You're not I'm your friend. I well, thank you. I don't
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think I am either, and I don't want to be. And I don't
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really I don't have a lot of friends who are very high maintenance. Shannon
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is high maintenance, and she she just as a person, she is and
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and that's not a slam of her, it's just it's just I think her
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personality, she just demands a lot of attention and she demands I mean it,
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and it's it is also the unawareness, and it's kind of like one
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of those things where well, you're either going to accept that about Shannon or
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you're not, or you're just gonna be pissed off all the time. And
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so I thought, like with Tamara, it's like you saw that for years
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of like and I remember Tamara mentioning it in previous seasons of like, yes,
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oh Shannon's calling, it's three in the morning, or you know,
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like I may I might be exaggerating a little bit, but like it was
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like constant phone calls. Tamar kind of would make jokes about it or kind
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of like you're a Shannon again, and like you thought that she liked it.
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Yes, you thought that, like because I know that there are people
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who like really thrive off of that, like ooh I am needed, I
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am needed right now and I and this is a way that I can help
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my worth and help my self esteem is by being a really available friend when
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somebody's in niece. So like, I get that. So I guess that's
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what I always assumed, is like, Oh, Tamra's just really that kind
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of friend who right likes that, who likes being needed. And Shannon really
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needs somebody right now, and she was going through it with David for such
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a long time that that was a big deal, so she really did need
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somebody who she can trust. Yeah, And Tamara had been through something like
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that before, so you kind of think like, oh, this seems like
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a good match. And Tamra is being sincere and Shannon needs her, and
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they love each other and they have like I love that line that Tamar had
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about Shannon of like there's no one I ever laughed harder with, which I
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think is so true. Like I remember those moments too, of them really
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like just giggling and laughing at each other and having so much fun together.
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So it's like there were all sides of this wonderful friendship that seemed to I
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mean work. I think we're going to learn about it more throughout the season,
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but it just seemed to very abruptly stopped, Oh my gosh, abruptly.
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But you know, Emily did say in her confessional, which was a
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good point. You know, you were enabling her, So if you had
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a problem with that, then maybe you should have said something. But I
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also see it from the perspective of Tarma thinking like, well, I'm sure
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at some point when I need Shannon, she'll be there because surely she knows
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that I've been there for her, So why wouldn't she drop everything and be
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there for me constantly? You know, when Shannon said, I did reach
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out, I was there for you, I called you, I did check
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on you, and Tama's like, not enough, Okay, I give you
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twice. You touched me twice, but I'm still passed. And it's like,
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well, I think what Tarma was expecting was that for Shannon to be
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there, you know, not twice, but seven times in one day,
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three in the morning, like she was for Shannon, and I completely understand
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that. You know, it's a shock to the system. Tama went through
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something where she was put on pause, where she was fired as fired from
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Orange County, and now Shannon isn't necessarily there for her twenty four to seven.
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Well, Shannon also has a lot of her own issues and problems going
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on. She's got all these kids, she's got this relationship with handsome John
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Jansen that is apparently not going so well at this point. Now we know,
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you know, they've since broken up, but you know, Tama was
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so hurt and oh my god, you do not want to get on her
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bad side because she will go for the jugular and within probably forty eight hours
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of Shannon not getting back. This is this is what I want to know,
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Katie. What is the timeline because it seems like Tamra gave Shannon maybe
24:45
three days to get to the point of where she felt like Shannon was meeting
24:52
her friendship needs and she didn't make She didn't make the cut, and so
24:56
she went to the well, she went to social media and was like fake
24:59
friends, this and that and the other. Right, So Shannon did not
25:04
Shannon messed up. Shannon should have been there more for her. However,
25:08
Tamra woof to go on social media and then say all these things like she's
25:15
a drunk. Yeah, you know, that's where things get so dirty and
25:21
where Shannon has such a great point about, like you don't know how hurtful
25:25
you can be, because how do you come back from that? Now you've
25:29
slammed me in public when okay, so he wasn't there for you, you
25:33
know, twenty four to seven, but you could have given me a heads
25:37
up before you took to social media, right, and not took to social
25:41
media once but several times and on different interviews and blog Yeah exactly. Yeah,
25:48
It's like this was not like yeah it was. It wasn't just like
25:52
a oopsie doopsy. It was repeated slamming her, and I think, you
25:57
know it's Tamara is someone who I've always had a place in my heart for
26:02
camera. I just I just love that La honestly Shannon too, But I
26:07
feel like the camera she is so reactionary, the most reactionary of like,
26:15
if you f with her, if you don't return her text in three days
26:19
or you know, whatever demand she's putting on it, she is going to
26:22
hurt you. Like, oh, my gosh. When she said that on
26:32
the boat, I'm like, classic, Yeah, it's my opinion, doth
26:38
wrong. Yeah. I just had to brace myself that she was so drunk
26:45
on the boat. She was so drunk, and you you kind of like
26:49
want to watch that scene and be like, oh, okay, just make
26:52
up you guys, because she was so drunk. And but then it's like,
26:56
no, but she's not so drunk when she's on social media and when
27:00
she's on these posts different platforms slaming her, it's like, she's so hurt,
27:06
and yes, she's acting this way, but like, Katie, can
27:11
we please do a spinoff podcast called She's So Hurt and She's drunk? Yes,
27:18
yes, but she is that poor lady, Like you just see the
27:22
pain in her. I agree, yes, And you're asking the most unaware
27:26
person on the planet to also see that pain where all she can see is
27:30
like, well, you talked about me on social media, you talked about
27:33
me on this podcast or whatever. It's like she's talking it. Really.
27:41
I think I love the really really, it was such a great scene and
27:49
they're all in pink, and I mean the flamingle, the Flamingo party.
27:55
I also love that these ladies are not afraid to look up a definition.
27:59
We found out what flamingo means in the Urban Dictionary from Heather, which is
28:03
a hysterical definition, which is when you're at a party and you're awkward and
28:07
you're awkwardly standing on one leg. I thought that was such a brilliant,
28:11
like, it's a brilliant definition for that term. It made me loud.
28:15
I know, I know, he do. I guess it's the earnestness too.
28:21
Of like I looked up on more of a dictionary and there's no like
28:25
embarrassment of like how weird that is, and that definition was pretty great,
28:30
but just there's no there's there's no shame, no shame. And then Shannon
28:36
looks up. She's like, she said that I ghosted her. And I
28:38
looked, I looked at the definition and I said, Siri, uh,
28:44
what is the definition of ghosting? And and Siri said, it's when you
28:48
cut someone out of your life and and I I, I didn't do that,
28:56
which, you know, here's the thing, Tamra went. She took
29:00
the social media with that meme that was like friends don't do fake friends and
29:03
fake friends and gusting and whatever the fucking said and that was a real temperature
29:10
check. She you know, she put her toe in the water. She
29:14
kind of threw a little something out there to say, Hey, Shannon,
29:17
I'm coming for you. This is a generic meme that is meant for you,
29:22
and if you don't respond to this, I will take it to the
29:25
next level. And Tamra's point being like, well, you should have called
29:30
me and been like, what does this mean? How did I hurt you?
29:32
And She's right, I mean, if you see somebody, if she's
29:34
going to do that, you know Tamar well enough, she'll go to the
29:37
next level. So Shannon should have at that point tried to call her and
29:41
be like, hold on, let's snip this in the bud before things explode.
29:47
And then they did, and the next thing you know, she's all
29:48
over everything calling she hadn't a drunk, And that is really tough because she
29:52
does say in that sit down when they meet for the first time, and
29:57
Tamra says, I remember David saying he wanted you to stop drinking, and
30:03
then Shannon saying, well, this is actually one of the greatest moments in
30:06
reality history because Shannon goes, you're you're crossing in line. I'll have a
30:11
Belvidere soda and a couple of lines. I was like, You've got to
30:18
be kidding me. This is the greatest scene I've ever seen. But all
30:23
this stuff, yeah, it was just that you're I just keep going back
30:27
to the thing of like you are you meaning Tamara are asking somebody who is
30:33
classically unaware, classically unaware to become aware, and that is not who Shannon
30:41
is, and that is not who Shannon has ever shown herself to be.
30:45
Yes, Shannon has moments of being a good friend, for sure. She
30:48
has moments of being super super, super fun and light and she died like
30:52
she does reach out. Like it's not that she's like this, you know,
30:56
terrible person or anything like that, but it's just like Tamara is asking
31:00
Shannon to do something that Shannon is never going to do because that's not her
31:03
personality and that's not who she is. She's not, Yes, she's not
31:07
going to organically reach out and be concerned. She but but Tara, I
31:11
think is a really good communicator where she can say I need you right now,
31:15
I need you, and she probably did say that, And I think
31:18
there's probably also something too Shannon withholding a little bit of I don't want to
31:25
say comfort, but a little bit of that open door policy with them because
31:29
of contracts and Shannon re signing for the show and maybe not wanting to divulge
31:34
whether or not she's coming back or Vicky's coming back. I mean, there
31:37
also could be something behind this fourth wall that we're not seeing that's about the
31:42
show. Why Shannon didn't talk to her, which yeah, is bullshit,
31:47
Which is bullshit because she should talk to her anyway. But maybe Shannon didn't
31:52
realize, well, no, maybe she didn't realize. Of course, she
31:55
didn't realize. She didn't realize how badly Tarman needed her. I mean,
31:57
think about it, like if roles were reversed and Shannon was fired, Shannon
32:04
would be blowing up Tamra constantly. Oh my gosh, a hundred percent.
32:09
I never thought about that, And that is such a good point, and
32:14
like that, I guess that's maybe kind of the elephant in the room of
32:16
like when do when a housewife And we've seen it, you know, in
32:21
different franchises, but like when a housewife stops being a housewife but the show
32:25
continues without her and her you know, bestie is still involved in the show,
32:31
Like where does that friendship go? It gets awkward, that's to be
32:37
expected. But you can't dip out. You can't, you can't out of
32:39
the friendship. Yeah, Shannon dipped out and went to bed. You cannot
32:46
dip out. And Shannon dipped out, she did, But I like Shannon.
32:51
I feel like I'm talking trash about Shanna. I know, and you
32:52
know, Oh my god, I'm obsessed. We love we love Shannon,
32:55
we love Shannon. And also we'll say this, Shannon probably did each out,
33:00
but maybe not, but not enough. And then let's also we don't
33:05
need to cover our asses. But let's also say Tamar should have never gone
33:07
that low, because that's also not friendship. To drag, to throw your
33:10
friend under the bus, call her a fake friend and say that she's a
33:15
drunk. That's so dirty. That's dirty, it's so dirty. And it's
33:20
also though, like what Tamar does, that is what she does, That
33:27
is who she is, and that's what she does. Is like you hurt
33:30
me, I'm gonna hurt you a thousand times worse. Yes, and that's
33:32
what alcohol. Yes, Like I'm going to cut you deeper than you ever
33:38
thought was I was capable of. Yeah, it's almost like a Marlowe.
33:43
It's almost like a Marlowe situation. It is. It's just it's like,
33:47
you hurt me, I will hurt you worse. And Tamara does that better
33:52
better than anyone. I mean, she really, she really can play that
33:57
car. And to her credit, it's because she's probably so loyal that she
34:01
expects that loyalty back and she should, you know. But if you fuck
34:07
with her, she's gonna she's done with you. You know, you gotta
34:10
come correct. And that's it just was really sad because they both hurt each
34:14
other in the worst possible way. Shannon hurt Tamra in the worst possible way
34:17
by not being there for her when Tamra has been there for her, and
34:22
then Tamra hurt Shannon the worst possible way by calling out a lot of her
34:27
you know, Achilles heels, because you know, there's been a lot of
34:30
rumors about this. Now hold on a second, let me in this moment,
34:32
cut to oh my god, I didn't even mean to say that,
34:35
but cut to cut fitness closing. So Eddie said the wildest thing in this
34:44
scene, and I need you to help me figure out what he even meant.
34:47
So they're talking about they're closing the doors of Cut Fitness and this is
34:52
a really, you know, a momentous closing because they've been around for ten
34:55
years. And we got a montage of Tamra training for the fitness competition that
35:00
she won and that was very cool and Derma accepting that that part of her
35:06
life is over now and it's hard. And now Eddie says in the scene
35:09
with them, he's on that ladder and he's, you know, taking down
35:13
that Cut Fitness sign and he says, the only good thing out of the
35:16
relationship was David. And I don't even know how he lasted so long.
35:22
She drinks way too much. Did he actually say that? Did I hear
35:25
that? I wrote that? Yeah. I wrote it down and I rewinded
35:30
it, and I googled David to make sure that I understood, like to
35:34
make sure that I wasn't crazy, right, because I like, ooh oh,
35:39
I feel like David. Oh my gosh. I feel bad saying this,
35:44
but I'm just gonna say it. I feel like David is one of
35:46
the most unlikable housewife husbands in the history of housewife husbands. I think a
35:52
lot of people would probably agree with you. I agree. I agree.
35:57
And I never got any hint during the David years when they were you know
36:07
that that when they when he was on camera o Shannon like ghost when they
36:09
were still married, that like, oh yeah, him and Eddie are real
36:13
tight and they seem to have a great time to get her in, Like
36:15
not a clue. And I've never heard anybody be like, wow, like
36:21
David and Sheannon, we're a real great couple. And she let that guy
36:24
go, Like I think that they were so And I feel bad for saying
36:29
that about David. That's so mean. He's a person. But it's not
36:31
like there's a lot of a toxic, toxic relationship. It was extremely toxic.
36:37
Yeah, they grew out of their relationship tremendously bad, Like it was
36:43
horrible. Yeah, so I was what is he talking about? The only
36:47
good thing? I don't I can't. I keep rereading this. The only
36:52
good thing out of the relationship was David And I don't even know how he
36:55
lasted so long. She drinks way too much? What seen did we not
37:00
see? What was cut? What conversations did they have that we weren't privy
37:06
to? Like, I just never remember a hint of like them being great
37:13
friends or them having a great time together. Yeah, show me a montage
37:16
of David and Eddie. Show me one montage that is consists of some laughs,
37:22
Like how did that even exist? I so glad that you had the
37:27
same visceral reaction to this line that I did, because it really, how
37:31
are we not all just talking about this today? Yeah? Yeah, it
37:37
really. It shook me to my core. It made me question everything about
37:40
both wives, Like I'm not one to well, the show's done in the
37:44
editing, like I mean whatever, I'm sure it is, but like they
37:46
do put in the most interesting stuff. I'm sure otherwise going to be watchable
37:52
TV. So it's like where, yeah, where was this? Or even
37:54
when Eddie says that, like, show me some cutaways of like from five
37:59
years ago, him and David having a drink or writing, or we're looking
38:04
at each other or standing next together, Like I just have no memories of
38:09
friends. I know. It's so strange and the fact that, like it
38:15
really does seem like Eddie and the rest of the family are not for Shannon
38:21
because they keep saying Tarama keeps saying, everybody says, don't pick up the
38:24
phone, don't pick up that call to pick up that call, and I'm
38:27
like, oh my god, that's terrible. Like, first of all,
38:30
Shannon doesn't want to hear that. And again, to Emily's point, then
38:34
create boundaries. You know, if you really do have such a problem with
38:38
taking her calls and being there for her, you just need to start,
38:44
you know, owning up to the fact that, like you can tell her
38:46
I'm so sorry, you know, text her back, I'm so sorry.
38:50
I can't take your call right now. I'm in the middle of a family
38:52
dinner or a conversation. I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
38:53
Like, there's no reason that I think that Tarma needs to learn some
38:59
boundaries her friendship and I think that Shannon needs to learn how to be a
39:04
better friend. And it's almost like the Lindsay Hubbard thing on Summer House,
39:08
you know, with Danielle and Lindsay. I don't think the dynamics are exactly
39:14
the same, but for the sake of an example, I think Lindsay needs
39:17
to figure out how to be a better friend to Danielle and how it to
39:21
not just be so one sided. And to Shannon's credit, Tamra's life has
39:24
been so stable and so drama free for so long that she really doesn't have
39:30
any issues to be blowing up Shannon's phone at three in the morning. Whereas
39:34
the opposite is Shannon has had the most tumultuous last seven years of her life
39:39
with this divorce and the custody and this new wife and then the new baby
39:43
and kids going away and her having to you know, make her own living
39:47
with you know, her tinctures. It's she's had a lot going on,
39:52
you know, so to her, you know, to defend her a little
39:55
bit. She does need a good friend and she needs someone she can trust
39:59
because she can't a housewife, can't just who's on TV, can't just go
40:01
to anybody, you know. And Tamra's solid. It's very sad. They
40:05
need to learn a lesson both of them. Both of them need to totally
40:08
agreed to Tamra is. Tamra is somebody who likes drama and loves to be
40:15
needed, and Shannon provided both of those things for her. And look inwards,
40:22
sister, and there was a whole dependency there. But it worked.
40:25
It worked, and I feel like, yeaso, wow, I'm wondering how
40:30
much of this like anti Shannon stuff came out two years ago when Tamra's feelings
40:37
were really her and I'm sure was consuming her family about how hurt Tamra was
40:42
and they were like, you know, Mom, we never really thought Shannon
40:45
was that greater friend to you anyway because of X y Z and Eddie chiming
40:47
and like, I feel like, because Tamra seemed to get so much from
40:52
the friendship, I wonder if there was much pushback from her family during the
40:57
friendship. It probably can't. Probably a lot of that can after the friendship,
41:00
And now Tamar's using that also to fuel like, ye see, you
41:04
were a betfriend because my whole family knows that you were. But it's like,
41:07
yeah, Tammer, but you were probably really her and really complaining a
41:10
lot about right, and it was probably wanting to be like yeah, you're
41:15
right, Like yeah, it was you were. She was a really consuming
41:19
friend and you were really there for her. Like so it's like and yes,
41:22
that's what Tammer wants to hear. So that's what she's gonna that's what
41:23
she can lean into. Right. Whereas Tamara loves to talk on long conversations
41:30
with Shannon, I'm sure about everything and she needs that, like that was
41:32
feeding part of like you're saying, is feeding part of what she wants,
41:36
and so I think that Tamra needs to take some ownership with that too.
41:39
You know, it's just really not black and white. I think there are
41:43
a lot of gray areas and there's definitely some hurt here. I love that
41:45
Emily was able to keep her head about her and still continue to like navigate
41:52
the situation on that drunk boat. That was so funny. I know,
41:55
Emily was awesome. Emily was just awesome in this whole episode, and especially
42:00
on the boat. I feel like, you know, I wished it.
42:02
Yeah. Also, does everybody know this thing about Flamingo's except for me?
42:08
I knew that, but only because and I was not surprised. Well,
42:12
okay, so I did know that, and the reason why is because of
42:15
Mattie and like just a lot of the animal trivia and things like that and
42:21
the questions that they ask and at some point I'm sure I just learned it
42:24
within the last like five years. So yes, okay. Well, side
42:28
note, listeners, I do remember Maddy having a Flamingo Themes birthday party which
42:32
was one year old. Maybe you know a lot more about flamingos than the
42:37
katie. You're right, I did. She had a flamingo first, and
42:40
we all stood around awkwardly on our one leg. We were flaming flamingling.
42:45
But yes, that's probably where I learned it, absolutely, But I did
42:50
love that Emily was eating shrimp off of the platter, just straight up,
42:53
and Jen was like, can I have one of your shrimps? I know
42:57
it's so awesome. But anyway, you were going to say something about Emily,
43:00
you remember I cut you off. Oh yes, so you know.
43:04
Oh no, I was thinking what I wish that could happen is Jen hosts
43:07
another yoga class slash retreat, okay retreat, Yeah yeah, yeah, I
43:15
keep going and yoga retreat. It was an hour and yeah you have some
43:20
snacks afterwards, like but either way, like I would have loved to have
43:23
been a part of it. It looked really awesome, and I want that
43:27
to happen again. And I want them to not serve alcohol afterwards and just
43:30
have like some you know, water and some sremonade, and I want them
43:37
to be alone in a room and talk because I feel like that could maybe
43:42
lead to some real understanding. But I feel like when you when you're on
43:45
a drunk boat with drunk friends and you're pissed off. Of course, like
43:51
they both seem so flabbergasted, but at the end of the episode, like
43:53
I just don't I don't know how we could come to some sort of understand
43:58
what we've both been drinking for hours and you're super angry because an understanding.
44:05
In this episode, it was what we needed, though, like we wanted,
44:09
I mean, deep down, we all know we wanted Tamra to kind
44:13
of rip Shannon's face off. And I was very impressed by the way Shannon
44:17
handled it. And I love that Emily called it out. She's like,
44:21
Shannon's just sitting here like, you know, fine, and she's being completely
44:24
normal and she wants the truth, you know. I love that she called
44:28
that out, and and all Shannon was doing was like I don't know what
44:31
I did wrong. I still didn't understand, you know. I mean,
44:35
it was just it was it was great, Joe, Joe. And really
44:42
because of that is the whole reason why Tarma ripped her face off, because
44:45
she's like, this is what you do all the time. And I love
44:46
that Shannon's, like I said, I was like, wait a minute,
44:51
did you just say that this is what I do all the time at Jed's
44:57
like now I see, now, I see what you feel talking shit clearly,
45:02
Oh my god, forever, and Jeen's like looking for it, like,
45:07
yeah, let's see the bad behavior in this person that you've been trashing
45:10
for the last two years. Oh my gosh. It was great to see
45:16
Taylor, it really was. I mean, and two ladies from Oklahoma.
45:22
That's amazing. I mean, that is kind of funny, you know,
45:24
because Jen's from Oklahoma and this whole thing is just wild, Like I don't
45:29
I know, yeah, the odds. Yeah, it was cool to see
45:30
Taylor there. She is, she's like. I loved also the way that
45:35
Tamara was talking about her, like she seems I don't know, I hope
45:37
that that Taylor's in a good place. I mean, she deserves to be.
45:40
Yeah, Tamora said such positive things about her that I like, I
45:45
really want to believe that that's true, that Taylor's in a good spot.
45:49
Yeah, it seems like she does seem like she's in a good spot,
45:52
and I would love for her to open up more and get to know Taylor.
45:58
But one last thing, I do think it was funny well classic camera
46:02
saying like fuck a duck, she can just fuck a duck, and then
46:07
Emily going the duck has been fucked, okay, like like we have to
46:09
move on. Yeah, I know, there's like that's not a saying.
46:14
Nobody says that. It's like you're missing the point, right. She's like,
46:17
I googled it on the Urban Dictionary. I said to Terry when his
46:21
meniscus was healing, look up, fuck a duck. Oh my gosh,
46:25
boor Terry. We haven't even touched on Terry. Terry's having a time.
46:35
Oh Taylor, no, go ahead, go ahead, because I love I
46:37
love another and was like he's really into fitness, like this injury injury is
46:45
like she acted, I mean it's terrible, Like I feel bad for Terry.
46:47
Of course, it's terrible injury to recover from Taylor being like I've been
46:52
cast in a movie and I was hoping you could go with me and give
46:55
me your honest opinion, Like have is going, uhh okay, sure did
47:06
you catch Heather seeving? Heather seemed to me in that moment to be like
47:12
no, well, I you know, okay, girl, you know we've
47:15
been in this industry forever And how many times have you seen people that you
47:21
know that have not one talented bone in their body get cast in something and
47:25
you're like, are you fucking kidding me right now? Like I know you.
47:31
Yeah. I feel like Heather just was like holding it in. I'm
47:36
like, yeah, f off, like and then she went on this rampage
47:39
about like I've been in several series regulars and several movies and cast it like
47:45
yeah, she has a resume. And then her friend's like, I had
47:47
cast in a movie. You want to go help me find an acting coach?
47:51
Like it was you could just see like f off written I think she
47:54
was. And also I think she was like f off to the producers because
47:58
I don't think she got a heads up on that. I think she's like,
48:00
yeah, so this is how you want us to connect. Well,
48:04
this is news to me. Great, you know, Like I think that
48:07
that was totally a surprise to her, which was You're right, her game
48:12
phase was not there. She actually wasn't able to even hide that, and
48:15
I think she almost was probably about to laugh, like really so and and
48:21
to Heather's credit, like she is a great actress. I mean that's why
48:25
she has so much as Angela says, Riz, you know she's got she's
48:31
had such a successful career, like she seriously has. And and then it
48:36
was funny in her confessional she was like, I don't miss it, just
48:38
sometimes our stages are smaller than others. Oh my gosh, Heather, Oh
48:45
my god, it's so funny. So did you love how much she is
48:50
preparing for her kid's dorm room at college? Oh my god, these are
48:53
the scenes that I love about The Housewives. It took me back to like
48:57
the beginning of Housewives. Yes, I love that scene. I couldn't believe
49:01
it. I feel like the amount of energy and time and money and money
49:09
that dorm room is next level because it was like I remember going to college
49:14
and being like, I get a new pair of sheets for my twin bed.
49:16
That was about it. Oh my god, yes, a million percent.
49:22
I was like, if I could only pray that I would be able
49:27
to, you know, provide half of that stuff for Maddie, Like I
49:31
love that she was like fairy lights. Oh and by the way, a
49:35
microwave and a fridge combined. Wow, times have changed, and I'm very
49:39
impressed. Yeah, talk about AI like that. Yeah, that's like high
49:44
tech. I didn't even know that existed. I didn't either, but I
49:46
was. And of course she's like, these are embroidered, not engraved,
49:51
Nick, you need to know that before you go away. Unbelievable bamboo plates.
49:55
Yeah. I was loving this because it does give me that sense of
50:00
of home, you know, homeliness. I don't know the word I'm looking
50:04
for, but it does give me the sense of it's a family. You're
50:06
prepared, like this is relatable. You're getting your kids ready to go on
50:09
to college and you want to do everything you can. Obviously, this is
50:13
to the next level. That garage looks like a cost Co. I mean
50:17
it was straight up had so many bins, the packing to everything, it
50:22
was unbelievable. Two employees, it was employees were there. They had like
50:25
shirts. Yeah, yeah, that is not the norm. That is yeah,
50:30
no, whoever's watching, No, that is going to college. That
50:34
is not the norm. Relatable in the sense that that's what your kids do.
50:37
Not relatable that you can all provide that, but very entertaining. But
50:40
this is what I want to see, you know, this is what I
50:44
want to see out of our housewives. And that's why I did love this
50:46
episode and we are getting some like a little bit of a teaser for next
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week where Shannon is in a crystal store and she's like a Gemstone store and
51:00
Tamar college like, I'm so sorry, I feel so bad. So I'm
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excited to see if they, you know, for them to actually possibly move
51:07
forward, because they needed, we needed this excitement for the show. I
51:10
know, I want them to gotta want I want I want them to be
51:15
back on track. I love those two two. I know. Well,
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any last thoughts, Katie before we wrap up our o C great episode.
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I mean, look, it was Tamar almost jumped overboard that that was too
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much, that was too much. But yeah, but yet she couldn't figure
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out how they're not coming to like a conclusion. Like I'm like, you're
51:37
literally you're so drunk you're going to jump overboard on purpose. And You're like,
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I just don't know, I just don't know where we go from here.
51:44
I'm like, you don't know where to go at all from here with
51:45
anything in your life. You're about wanting to jump over a boat because you're
51:49
so pissed off, right wasted, drunk and past, drunk and past.
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I love them. I do hope that they come together. That's what I
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want. I want them to come together. Yes, we do, we
51:59
all want that. Katie Nonsen. Oh my god, this was so fun.
52:02
I can't wait to talk to you again. We'll have to come back
52:06
for Orange County, New York stuff. Yea. And everybody watch uh spend
52:12
tuney on me TV and you'll see our dear darling, Katie Nonsen, and
52:16
you'll her material, her characters, her brother in law, her husband,
52:22
and no pizza ovens. Okay, so okay, get along great, well,
52:28
thank you, Katie, and then we'll I'll see you and talk to
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you soon. Okay, my friend, this was lovely. Thank you so
52:34
much. Drama, Darling, Drama, Darling Drama, Darling