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Ryder Lee Features on Killifornia: GATE Program, Mentally Gifted, MK Ultra · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Walter Bosley channel. And boy,
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  Speaker 1: Todd's here for a not California kind of episode. It
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  Speaker 1: might end up that way. We were just talking because
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  Speaker 1: there's an odd connection. But our guest is Ryder Lee. Ryder, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Walter. Thanks for having me on, Todd.
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  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. And we have a lot to discuss
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  Speaker 2: because there's been so many developing things surrounding the GATE
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  Speaker 2: program since the release of the movie psychic agent, the
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  Speaker 2: gate program.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have, as I mentioned before, just back to
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  Speaker 1: back two amazing documentaries. The, the first of those two
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  Speaker 1: was a clockwork shining, which they've heard me say it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this just because I was in
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  Speaker 1: it because I didn't know what your hypothesis was. Remember
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  Speaker 1: when you interviewed me, I had no idea. And I
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  Speaker 1: still think it, A lot of the other shining theories
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  Speaker 1: are interesting and they make good points, but I think
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  Speaker 1: yours nails it. We've talked about that. And now you've
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  Speaker 1: followed it up with this amazing documentary on the GATE program.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us about how well that's doing, what kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how it's being received.
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  Speaker 2: It's had a really good reception so far. People that
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  Speaker 2: have watched it really very much enjoy it. Very little criticism.
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  Speaker 2: And the criticism that I have gotten is people that
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  Speaker 2: kind of don't really exist in this type of world
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  Speaker 2: that we all, well, that me, you and Todd exist
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  Speaker 2: in and that we do shows on every week, some
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  Speaker 2: of us every day. Uh, the, the seem to think
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  Speaker 2: that some of this stuff was just a standard testing
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  Speaker 2: that everybody went through in public school. And, um, you know, I,
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  Speaker 2: I try and explain to them that this is not
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  Speaker 2: a standard type of testing. Now, there were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: programs like the health department coming to your public school
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  Speaker 2: and doing certain testing and stuff like that. And some
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  Speaker 2: schools have public, you know, the president's physical fitness test
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But this is different. This is
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  Speaker 2: children being pulled out of the classroom on a daily
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  Speaker 2: type of base. Like you explained in the movie, Walter,
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  Speaker 2: you were being pulled out by a guy in a
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  Speaker 2: suit that you weren't familiar with on a pretty frequent base.
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  Speaker 2: And also Katie Page, it is also in the documentary,
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  Speaker 2: talked about how she was pulled out a lot and
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  Speaker 2: had these weird and strange tests under her, the hearing test,
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  Speaker 2: which we believe is the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes. And
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  Speaker 2: I tend to fall under... what your hypothesis is, Walter,
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  Speaker 2: there's a myriad of things that are going on. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just one thing. And this is what I was
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  Speaker 2: kind of talking with Todd before we started the show
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  Speaker 2: was that people want everything to be nice and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wrapped up in a gift wrapped for them and with
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  Speaker 2: a present with a bowl on top of it. But
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  Speaker 2: as we know, and as you know, Walter, as being
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  Speaker 2: a part of, you know, the intelligence community and have
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  Speaker 2: an intelligence background and being a part of the military, um,
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  Speaker 2: It's not just one thing. Operations are not normally ran
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  Speaker 2: for just one singular purpose. There's normally many layers and
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  Speaker 2: many levels and many branches to the tree. It's of six...
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  Speaker 2: and a half layer dip cake of things that are
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  Speaker 2: going on. It's not just one thing. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: kind of the issue that we run into here is
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  Speaker 2: that people want it to be just one thing. They
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  Speaker 2: want the pink drink or the orange drink or whatever
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  Speaker 2: drink that people remember taking. And they remember it for
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  Speaker 2: different reasons. You know, several people remember it for being
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  Speaker 2: like an asthmatic, like in your case, an asthmatic drink.
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  Speaker 2: Other people remember it being like vitamins. Other remember it
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  Speaker 2: being a vaccination. Other people remember different things. And they
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  Speaker 2: were also told different things as the reason why they
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  Speaker 2: needed to be in the program, depending on what state
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  Speaker 2: that you lived in. You were told your parents were
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  Speaker 2: told different things, you know, so it's a very deep
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  Speaker 2: rabbit hole. And we still haven't really gotten to the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of really what these programs are actually for. It
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  Speaker 2: can be for many different things. It can be for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the great the next musician. It could be
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  Speaker 2: for the next. person, the next activist. It could be
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  Speaker 2: for the next political leader. Yeah, so we have many
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  Speaker 2: different operations that could possibly be going on here. And
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  Speaker 2: many of the things like what Walter talked about within
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  Speaker 2: the documentary and, you know, how this could be a
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  Speaker 2: giant long military operation or governmental operation. But we have
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  Speaker 2: found out since the release of the documentary, because we
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  Speaker 2: talk about Charlie Kirk in the documentary slightly. that Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Kirk did go to a gate program school in Palatine, Illinois,
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  Speaker 2: called Creative Children's Academy, and it's now been renamed Quest
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  Speaker 2: Academy in 1999. Lance Twiggs, the lover of Tyler Robinson,
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  Speaker 2: the guy that's been charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk, also
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  Speaker 2: went to a gate program school called Utah Tech Success Academy.
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  Speaker 2: he was a highly gifted piano player and started getting
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  Speaker 2: into drugs and alcohol, which is, that seems to be
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  Speaker 2: a thing that happens when you were, you kind of
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  Speaker 2: reject this type of program happened. You start to just
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  Speaker 2: delve into drugs and alcohol and become, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: I personally believe, you know, a lot of drug addicts
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  Speaker 2: have been through these types of gate programs, but Lance
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  Speaker 2: Twigg's family, uh, had multiple loans and mortgages on their
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  Speaker 2: 700K home in Utah after this was going on for decades. Right.
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  Speaker 2: 700K liens against their home. And just a few months
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  Speaker 2: after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, they were able to pay
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  Speaker 2: off that house somehow.
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  Speaker 3: Mr. Lee, would you mind telling people when these programs
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  Speaker 3: officially began? Do you have like a year?
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  Speaker 2: 1962 is when the MGM Mentally Gifted Minors Program started
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  Speaker 2: in California that Walter Bosley was a part of. That's
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  Speaker 2: one of the earliest ones that there's actual documentation for,
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  Speaker 2: but we believe that there were ones that were started
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  Speaker 2: before that as early as 1958 and possibly even earlier
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  Speaker 2: than that in the mid-early 50s in a place in...
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  Speaker 2: called Indian Lake in New York where a gentleman found
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  Speaker 2: a box of old video film reels and photos of
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  Speaker 2: a really weird government military experimentation that was going on
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  Speaker 2: there that involved children and headphones and blocks and spoons
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: And like you said, it has a sort of disguise
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  Speaker 3: for all the 50 states. So this program happened in Wyoming, Montana,
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  Speaker 3: all the states, Alaska, Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I know somebody that was part of a program
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  Speaker 2: in Wyoming that they were the only person inside of
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  Speaker 2: the program. Like, yes, it is happening. And this is
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  Speaker 2: just the United States. There's been people that has reached
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  Speaker 2: out to me that have said talked about Canada, Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the UK. And also the the movie is also available
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  Speaker 2: in the UK as well. It wasn't available for the
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  Speaker 2: first couple of months of release. But if you're currently
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  Speaker 2: in the UK, you can now watch it on Amazon
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  Speaker 2: Prime in the UK as well as the United States, Canada.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't gotten it yet, but yes, this seems like
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  Speaker 2: it was a worldwide thing because really this started in
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  Speaker 2: 1957 whenever Russia launched Sputnik into space. They beat us
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  Speaker 2: into space, and this kind of freaked out the Eisenhower administration,
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  Speaker 2: and then we launched Explorer 1. into space in 1988.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, 1958. And then that's whenever this coordinated effort
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  Speaker 2: really began to find some of the smartest people within
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  Speaker 2: the public education system. Because where are you going to
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  Speaker 2: find people to cultivate and bring new people into the fold? Well,
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  Speaker 2: the easiest place to do that is in the public
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  Speaker 2: school system, right? You sift through the children. And this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of, also where it starts because just like
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  Speaker 2: with the clockwork shining in Laurel Canyon, which I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you're very familiar with what was going on in Laurel
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  Speaker 2: Canyon and how people that were the musicians of that
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  Speaker 2: time were, had fathers and family members that were military people. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Laurel Canyon, it's, it's been said that Jolly
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  Speaker 3: West has like a secret laboratory in the mountains where
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  Speaker 3: of Laurel Canyon or San Bernardino. Did you find anything about.
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  Speaker 1: That?
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  Speaker 2: That probably was the Um, that has been hypothesized. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Jolly West we know has been, has a
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  Speaker 2: insane history with, uh, you know, a lot of different people, including, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Oswald and like, uh, uh, John Hinckley, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these people, uh, Manson, uh, as well. Uh, so, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have not found any, uh, But the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of the Pentagon, apparently there's a secret room that Sidney
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  Speaker 2: Gottlieb had a lab at the bottom of the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting. I didn't know that he had one at
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's confirmed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Sidney Gottlieb, that's where Russell Targ was taken whenever
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  Speaker 2: they were starting to start up some of these science...
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  Speaker 2: remote viewing programs he was taken to the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the the pentagon and this is where sydney gottlieb had
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  Speaker 2: in simple we as we know who sydney gottlieb has
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  Speaker 2: used the right.
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  Speaker 3: Head civil yeah simple league was part of the mk
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  Speaker 3: often right yes yeah um So the really interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: is to what ends are they doing these testing? Is
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  Speaker 3: it more or less the SSR was doing this, so
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  Speaker 3: we have to do it? Or was it more than
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  Speaker 3: that one reason?
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  Speaker 2: I think it combines a lot of different things. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of been the excuse for doing anything in
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  Speaker 2: the United States since after World War II has been, well,
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  Speaker 2: we have to do it because Russia. And that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of changed and morphed into, well, we got to do
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  Speaker 2: it because China. You know, that's kind of the whole
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  Speaker 2: race right now with like AI and this digital surveillance
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  Speaker 2: system that we're starting to build within the United States.
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  Speaker 2: We got to get the facial recognition in this digital
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  Speaker 2: ID stuff going or, you know, if we don't, then...
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  Speaker 2: China's got the technology. It's just a different country for
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  Speaker 2: a different excuse. But that seems to be the excuse
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  Speaker 2: that was used to do a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: otherwise probably never would have been done after World War
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  Speaker 2: II is because Russia was doing it, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. So how many, would you say, just ballpark,
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  Speaker 3: how many different programs had to deal with all this?
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  Speaker 3: Like how many covert programs would you say? Was it
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  Speaker 3: just the one program or were there many programs happening
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  Speaker 3: at once?
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  Speaker 2: I would say many programs happening all at once and
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  Speaker 2: they were all named different names. And when we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about gifted and talented education here, right? We're not talking,
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  Speaker 2: or are we talking about the psychic spy remote viewing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about all of it. All of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Walter. each state had its own name and administered,
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  Speaker 1: what's the word for it, program within that program. Like California,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned before, was MGM, and I think another
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  Speaker 1: state called it something else and such. So the way
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  Speaker 1: it works a lot with these operational names, what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: the guy that worked out at area 51, uh, Barnes,
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  Speaker 1: TD Barnes, is that his name? Anyway, um, he's mentioned
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  Speaker 1: before in a recent interview, I heard him do, um,
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  Speaker 1: there were operations that existed only to be a slot
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  Speaker 1: where money was moved through. It wasn't really an operation
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  Speaker 1: that had a objective and it was manned and they
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  Speaker 1: were doing Bondi and things out in the field. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that that goes on. People get
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  Speaker 1: all excited about, ooh, Operation This or Operation That, and
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  Speaker 1: they may not know that all it was was just
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  Speaker 1: a way to buy taper clips and staples for the office,
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  Speaker 1: but everything had to be classified. Anyway, sorry for the meander.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I would 100% agree with that. It's been disguised. The
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  Speaker 2: money has been hidden through different corporations, different shell companies,
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  Speaker 2: different companies that have been in funneled through specific donors
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  Speaker 2: of people. I mean, even the MK ultra programs that
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  Speaker 2: were ran on children, there was a whole ABC news
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  Speaker 2: broadcast that was all about this. And I believe, the
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  Speaker 2: late eighties, I believe this was when this happened and
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  Speaker 2: it was, it's around 10 minutes long. You can still
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  Speaker 2: find it. I put it in the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They ask the later on in that piece that they done, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they asked them like, did you know that the CIA
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  Speaker 2: was funding this? And they said, no, we had no
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  Speaker 2: idea that the CIA was funding this operation to study
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  Speaker 2: and do run experiments on over 400 children. And there's
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  Speaker 2: some kind of ultra sub project because it's been, um,
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  Speaker 2: hidden through different, and that's another thing with the, even
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  Speaker 2: with the psychic spy stuff with the government, it was
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  Speaker 2: hard to track down exactly who was funding SRI during
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  Speaker 2: that time. You know, you have like the CIA funding SRI,
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  Speaker 2: and then later on you get the Air Force, the
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  Speaker 2: CIA drops funding, then the Air Force out of Dayton, Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: you know, picks up funding. That's why we have Dale
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  Speaker 2: Graff in the movie. He talks about how Russell Targ
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  Speaker 2: and how put off comes to, what's that, the big
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  Speaker 2: Air Force base in, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Wright-Patterson, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And ask them, uh, you know, uh, if they would
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  Speaker 2: be interested in funding us or I, because Pat price
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  Speaker 2: had just died and the CIA cuff funding, which is
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  Speaker 2: so weird. Why would you do that? You, you had
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  Speaker 2: Pat price. Wasn't the only remote viewer that was being
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  Speaker 2: studied at SRI, but he's been kind of hailed as
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  Speaker 2: this mythical figure as one of the best. So it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of odd and suspicious that soon as he dies.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA just completely cuts funding. And it's also really
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  Speaker 2: suspicious that the CIA was supposed to get the program
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  Speaker 2: in 1995 from the DIA, the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit.
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  Speaker 2: And then they said that the program never worked when
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  Speaker 2: they knew that remote viewing worked because they had been
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  Speaker 2: funding it since the early 70s at SRI.
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  Speaker 1: It's like anti-gravity. There was open source technology. articles and research,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being talked about in the science and technical
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  Speaker 1: magazines and things like that. And then it is genuinely suspected,
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  Speaker 1: generally suspected that around 58 or 59, T. Townsend Brown
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  Speaker 1: made a breakthrough in anti-gravity. And then all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden it wasn't talked about anymore. And after that, it
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  Speaker 1: was in the realm of, oh, that doesn't, that's science fiction.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do anti-gravity. So this seems to be a
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  Speaker 1: pattern when something really does work. you know, to say, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work. So forget about it. I, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's just a sleight of hand, you know, don't look
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  Speaker 1: at this anymore because we are really doing serious stuff
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  Speaker 1: with it. We don't want you to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Lee, do you think that this documentary, um, psychic agent
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  Speaker 3: is sort of the natural progression from clockwork shining? Both
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  Speaker 3: documentaries were so very good. Uh, Or do you plan
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  Speaker 3: to go back and do another one that would go
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  Speaker 3: perhaps in between these documentaries?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel?
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  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about doing another Kubrick documentary, possibly around
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  Speaker 2: Eyes Wide Shut, because I think that there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of information there and how this may be connected to
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein stuff and the elite Hollywood Rothschild parties and
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  Speaker 2: how the Rothschilds are actually connected to the public school
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  Speaker 2: education system. So, uh, and how they funded that. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the people that they brought in and we
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  Speaker 2: know Jeffrey Epstein work for the Rothschilds is all over
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein files represented the Rothschild family and the Rothschild, well,
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  Speaker 2: the Rockefellers see there's a, The Rockefellers were actually the
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  Speaker 2: ones that were responsible for the testing of psychic children
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  Speaker 2: out of Duke University. So the Rockefellers were funding psychic
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  Speaker 2: tests by J.B. Ryan and Carl Zender, which they created
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  Speaker 2: the Zender cards. And then they tested indigenous school children
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  Speaker 2: in Canada and also children within the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. Now, in your research, have you, come across anything
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  Speaker 3: having to do with aristotle onassis did he help fund
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  Speaker 3: any of.
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  Speaker 2: This onassis is really interesting and that kind of connects
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  Speaker 2: into uh you know some jfkx uh territory that's you
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  Speaker 2: um and uh jackie ended up marrying.
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  Speaker 3: Correct right well jackie was on the um yacht On
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  Speaker 3: Onassis' yacht for like two weeks or something like that
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  Speaker 3: in October of 1963. She was with Onassis right before
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  Speaker 3: the assassination.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's a really interesting thread that could possibly
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  Speaker 2: be pulled at a later time when more research has
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  Speaker 2: been done on that. But that's really interesting. I would
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  Speaker 2: definitely look into that because Onassis was funding a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Blofeld.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And that's the same with Epstein as well. Epstein
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  Speaker 2: was funding a lot of research. Oh, yeah. Human cloning. Yeah. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Human cloning, cybernetics. What was that one? I had somebody
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  Speaker 2: on my show that was talking about how you, what's that,
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  Speaker 2: the freezing technology that Walt Disney supposedly, hypergenic.
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  Speaker 1: Cryogenics.
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  Speaker 2: Cryogenics. He was apparently in the cryogenics as well and
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  Speaker 2: how he wanted his body frozen and for like to
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  Speaker 2: be returned on a later date, like all kinds of
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: insane stuff. And we found that out with that um
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  Speaker 2: steve bannon interview that got released a partial part of
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  Speaker 2: that got released online i think like four hours or
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  Speaker 2: something and we found out how weird and wacky some
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  Speaker 2: of epstein's stuff actually was he was actually into this
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  Speaker 2: the things that you know, we kind of talk about
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  Speaker 2: on a daily and weekly basis. He was actually ending
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  Speaker 2: into it and he was funding.
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  Speaker 1: It.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: That's a horror film. Okay. So go for it, Walter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was just feeling, I'm formulating. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, while we have dead air, do you mind
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  Speaker 3: if I go into a little of the California connection
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to some of this, or do you want me to wait?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Just one moment.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Something I remembered, Ryder, since we did your documentary, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: recall in first grade, there was this reading system of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: color-coded cards. And you would work your way up the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: levels and you would do it independently. And you'd wear headphones.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And I've found it online once. I've got it in
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: my notes somewhere. I can't remember the name of it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: For some reason, this is kind of weird. I always
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: connected the letters or the acronym SRI with this system.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And I did this in first grade. And what was
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: interesting was on the second day of second grade, that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the second grade class I was yanked out of and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: put into an advanced class. So, you know, I wonder
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: these independent, I'll get you some more information on that
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: because there might be something interesting to be revealed out
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of something like that. It could have been a way
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that they gauged, you know, different levels on kids independently,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: because you would do it in the classroom independently.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Now, most of these programs, Ryder, did they happen at
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: public schools or private liberal arts type schools? Or is
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it just both?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting that you bring that up because
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: several of the, there are entire gate program schools. Like
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I mentioned, Charlie Kirk was in a gate program school
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that was just dedicated to gifted and talented educated children.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So they were all deemed to be gifted and talented. Uh,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the Lance twigs also was in a complete school just
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: for that. Uh, Utah Tech Center. So another one is, see,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: it's not just, you know, political people. It's not just
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the military. It's not just the three-letter organizations. They're also
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: looking for, you know, musicians, you know, leaders in, you know, technology,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the heads of corporations, the heads of, you know, companies
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And Tupac is also a part
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of one of these gifted organizations. schools okay people might
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: get heated at me because everyone loves tupac but you
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: know it just shows you that even people that appear
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to be gangsters and hardcore rappers and stuff were just
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: actors i mean tupac auditioned for this and got accepted
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: into this prestigious gifted art academy in baltimore where only
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: 10% of kids ever got accepted into over a thousand
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: kids applied for it every single year. And only around
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a hundred kids got accepted into it and attended the school.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It's called Baltimore school for the arts. And he studied
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: acting and, poetry jazz and ballet uh his former theater
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: department had described him as being like exceptionally gifted as
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: an actor and then right before he graduates his family
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just up and randomly moves to la right and then
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: he started his acting career and then became a gangster
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: rap artist right right when he was never that before
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: he was just an actor so he was just playing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: A role They solved his murder, too.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That just came out, right? Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm curious if you've ever heard of the Green
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Valley School in Dayton, Florida.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: No, I haven't, but I know a few people that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: did go to a gate school in Florida. I don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: think it was Green Valley, though. It was in Dayton.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: For your thesis, I would highly suggest that you look
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: into the Green Valley School just because it was sort
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of an experimental school. And I think it's where students
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: of that school performed a human sacrifice in 1973. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the principal is a paperclip Nazi. Essentially, the paperclip changed
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: its name to something else. He came over during that time.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It's definitely worth looking into this quote. The name of
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the murder victim is Michael Cochran. And I highly suggest, Mr. Lee,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: that you take a look at that case.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it into my notes really quick
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: on my phone.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: C-H-O, no, C-O-C-H-R-A-N. I'm sorry.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Well, Todd, what was the California connection?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that, and then I would also look into Stanley
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Dean Baker. Because in my opinion, Stanley Dean Baker was
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: part of the MKUltra program. Now, we can't know that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: for sure until we get his Navy records. But there's
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: just something very bizarre about him getting right out of
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the Navy and not even a month later doing this
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: satanic ritual killing. You know, I don't think.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Think taking LSD for the first time and going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: satanic killer is such a big leap in a short
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: amount of time. There has to be something there. Of course...
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: If you've read Dave McGowan's Program to Kill, it kind
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of fits within your thesis a whole bunch. Also, Stephen
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Craig Heard, another member of the 4Pi movement, like Stanley
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Dean Baker. I would also look into him for a
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: possible connection to MKUltra. Of course, I believe that Dr.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: William Joseph Bryan Jr., who actually attended Duke University, was
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the Grand Chingon. of the 4Pi movement, and it was
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: part of MK Often. I personally believe because the lab
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: testing was so successful, they had to have taken it
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: out into the field.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard that several... I get a lot
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: of comments on a lot of the promotional material that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I do, like in the trailer, on social media for
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the movie and everything. And people have commented and said
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that I needed to look into a lot of the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: serial killers. Apparently, they've all.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Not all of them, of course, but several of.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Them have been involved in gifted and talented education schools. Mm-hmm.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: including the unabomber.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Oh that he's definitely mk ultra.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So i found that really interesting uh do you know
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: of anybody else that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Um well uh considering the connection to the rocket program
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: i would look into josh lamb's research on jeffrey dahmer
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: he was part of these these special schools also um
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Theodore Hureman, the father of Rex Hureman. I'd look into him.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I'd also take a glance at Patrick Carney, who ended
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: up working at Hughes Aircraft. I would definitely look at
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: at least those three.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is actually a, you're speaking of this aerospace connection.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: There's actually a, I think me and Walter did it
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: on one of the shows that we did promoting the movie.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Danny Sheehan, he's known as like the UFO lawyer. He
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: talked about how that outside of Northrop Grumman, There was
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: this gate program school where the sons and daughters of
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: military personnel were that were a part of on the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like right outside of north of Grumman.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Were uh part.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Of this program and they would drug them so they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: would get the drugs and normally and then they would
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: be like trained to remotely pilot ufos and uaps.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: That's the same that's the same aerospace company that Theodore
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Horman worked for the father of Rex Horman the Long
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Island serial killer.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Northrop Grumman what yeah oh yeah there you go buddy.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they're a company that's been around a long time. Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And they're pretty big in that. So, I mean, you
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: got to figure the number of employees. You know, something
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: bad's going to happen when you've got that many people,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know. So I'm not, I agree with Todd. There's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: something connected here. Have you ever had, Ryder, have you
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: had any, what you suspected to be, or maybe even overt,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: identified official interest in your most recent documentaries?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Official interest? What do you mean?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Has, you know, has Uncle Sam or anybody that feels
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like Spook World, you know, talked to you or questioned
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you or asked you, inquired about particularly the, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the two, the most recent? this gate one and again,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the shiny one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: No, not that I can think of that. Cause I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: don't really talk to a lot of people. I try
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, keep my distance from people online
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and people that message me. I don't really reply to
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: people that I don't have. Like, I don't even accept
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: friend requests from people that I don't have at least
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: five or more mutual friends with. I don't really talk
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: to people like that. And I kind of actually learned
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: my lesson by, you know, agreeing with someone recently on
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a certain individual, Dave Grosh, that was just on Joe
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Rogan before and saying that he was a, you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that he didn't. That he might seem like he's an
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: asset and he's out there pushing stuff that he doesn't
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: know anything about and that he's doing, you know, second
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and third hand witness testimony. He doesn't really know any
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: about any of this stuff firsthand. He's just talking with
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: people that circular reporting, right? He's just going off based
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: off of people's testimony about things that have been talked
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: about for decades in this community. Right. And he's talking
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: about it on an official level. And I said that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to this person and then, and then I make a video.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: about how he's talking about this on Joe Rogan about
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: these reptilians or whatever and how the reptilians crashed in
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the UFO ship and then the military had to shoot
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: and kill them because they were whatever. And I was like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you know, if Dave Grush can get on Joe Rogan
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and talk about this and it be the most popular
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: podcast in the world, you can be talking about reptilians now. Like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be criticized for anything that I say because...
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: My stuff is not even in any way as ridiculous
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: as what he's claiming. And then people were like, you're
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: supporting Dave Grush when you've done nothing but talk bad
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: about him. You just confused what I was saying. This
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: was not a promotion of what he was talking about.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: This was actually me saying that the things that I
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: talk about are nowhere even close to the things that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: he's claiming happened.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: This is what i'm saying.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But people were like oh you're you're propping up this
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: known grifter this known disinformant person i'm like you don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: understand what i'm even saying.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah the the alarmists in our community need to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: just take a deep breath and calm down a little
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: bit and like you say listen to what people are
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: saying right now you can look there's a lot of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: people out there i think it's those people with no
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: inner inner monologue they call it um These are the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: kind of people that can't say they don't like someone personally.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They can't acknowledge their strengths in what they do. There's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a particular writer out there, a guy who's published by
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: David Childress, and I love his books. He's done excellent
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: research in the books that I have of his, two
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of them, and I've cited them, and it's important work
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in our field. I had the opportunity to meet him
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: personally and interact with him, and he's a big asshole.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But that aside, I'm not going to trash his work
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: because I didn't particularly, you know, like the guy. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not one of those, I can't stand this, the, oh,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: don't meet your heroes, dude. They'll disappoint you. Well, you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: my response to that is, F you. People are human.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: All of us, we all have our days, you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and that's how I wrote off this particular author. Maybe
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: he was having a bad day or something, you know, ultimately, but, um, uh, yeah. Um,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: there's just folks that they ping at everything. Right.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just unbelievable that, you know, someone can
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: support you. This is what I found a hardcore in
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: this community is that like, you can do a hundred
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: videos of ever someone agreeing with you as soon as
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you do something. that they don't like. It's like they
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: turn into full attack mode. Yeah. So the hundred before this, uh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was okay.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And you were great.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And you were my biggest supporter. But now that I,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the one time that I say something that you don't
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: like you jump ship on, like, well, I didn't want
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you as a follower anyway.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: You're going to jump ship on me. You're not going
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to hold it for me. Uh, then, you know, I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: didn't want you there anyway.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: They're going to, yeah. They're going to waffle like that. Todd,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: we're getting a lovely shot of your ear. your oh headphone.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Oh thank you well see that's one of the that's one.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Of the parts back or go to the right a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: little bit there you go well that's too far for
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you i understand because you got to be able to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: see that there you go.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah well i keep the thing is that little box
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: is so small i have no idea what what's going
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: but um there's always going to be haters out there.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: You know, that's just kind of like, like there's night
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and day. There's always going to be people who like
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: your work and people who hate it, you know?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then the, then the ad hominem stuff,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, writer, they, they won't comment on something you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: said in a documentary or something you wrote in the book. They,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: they come at you and say, that guy looks weird.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: That guy looks weird. I'm like, what? Uh, you know
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: i got some of that from some trolls i was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: on a podcast recently and there's a bunch of comments
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: about you know how i look and i know i
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: okay yeah i know i'm fat right now i need that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Just because i can't see my reflection you know that's
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the that's the beautiful thing about it what's that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Are you a vampire? I think he's a vampire.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: No, no. I have macular degeneration and Stargardt's disease. So, like, literally,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I can't see my reflection. It's just like a blur. So, like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: looking weird, it's like it works for me because I
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: can't see myself.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know, Ryder, what's interesting, the question I asked you,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: of course, you may not know if someone had, you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: approach to you know someone from spook world because if
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: they're doing it right they're gonna they're gonna embed it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this is how people you know they say and i
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: get the logic oh if you were once a spook
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you're always a spook because in all fairness in all
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: fairness i could still be someone with my background i
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: could still be you know here i got my my
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: my tattered stuff behind me and and stuff. But I say,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: if I could prove it, you know, if I were
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be as broke as everybody else, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: but you would have no way of knowing it except
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: for perhaps the questions they would ask you. Like if
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you ever get, do you ever show your film somewhere
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: or you have a screening or you're talking with a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: group of people, you know, the thing to note is
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the one person out there that asked the question, maybe
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that was, more astute than everybody else's or or just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: really different that could be the spook um anyway i
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: i i think they somebody in that world has to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on on your films and what
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you do um Absolutely.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: We kind of thought maybe that there was something going
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: on with the submission of the movie, because this one
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: took a really long time for the submission to go through.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: The first two did not take very long. It took
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: like two weeks, and it was up.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: How long did it take? It took three months. Yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: so I'm pretty sure that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Someone or something had to be kind of putting the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: brakes on it a little bit because it was a
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: really hot topic. I mean, there's, there's a lot of
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: things in there that, you know, aren't overtly said, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the implications of what they might mean is really incredible. And, uh,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that's what I, and I was kind of worried that
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for a minute, I was like, what's going on here?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is this thing even going on because it's obviously edited
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: really well and it's put together really well and everything
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: makes sense and I don't like seeing that about I'm
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: still a very humble person I'm just looking at it
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: objectively as somebody outside of the person that made it
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like there's nothing wrong with the movie The movie's great,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? There's nothing overtly wrong in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the visual presentation of it. There's nothing wrong with the audio. Technically,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: it's fine.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: It's up to standards, and that shouldn't have been a problem.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: So it comes down to something in the content.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And I was kind of worried for a minute,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: but then it finally got accepted, and now it's up.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: But I think that there was some kind of, maybe
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: some sort of... Somebody reviewed it somewhere and kind of
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: put the brakes on it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, flag went up. Here's a question for you. Whenever
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you do a film, there's always, as a director, producer, writer, filmmaker,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: there's always that big thing that you're wanting the audience
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to respond to because that's your... In this film, the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: one about the gate program, what's the... To you, what's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the big golden nugget in there? That everybody should really go, wow,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and be blown away by it?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not even something that is overtly said. It's
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: actually something that is implicated within the movie is that
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: whenever the government remote viewing, and I haven't said this
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: on anybody's shows because no one has actually even asked
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: me that question. And I've done probably 30 of these
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: so far since the release of the movie, promoted in
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the movie. I think that the thing that is not
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: said 100%, but is implicated throughout the movie, that's the
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: most explosive thing that you kind of got as a viewer,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you got to put two and two together to even
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: realize what's going on.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And that is, That when the program was shut down
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in 1995, it was supposed to be given to the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: CIA from the DIA. This is the government remote viewing
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: psychic spy unit that was on foreign intelligence, collecting foreign
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: intelligence data, right? That program was shut down and that
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: there possibly could have been another program that was either
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: running simultaneously to that through another three-letter organization that, you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: several people within the documentary talked about how if there
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: was another program, then it would be so top secret
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and so classified that nobody would ever even know about it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So in order for that to happen, they would have
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to have a different use for that, for remote viewings.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't just be collecting intelligence data on foreign targets.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: That's already been disclosed. Who cares if the government is
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: still doing that? It would have to be something more invasive.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: They would have to be doing something a hundred times
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: worse than just messing with some psychics, right?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Well, they're invading people's privacy and they're killing people.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Those are my top two guesses as far as the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: thing they wouldn't want anyone to know.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Psychic assassin.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. And I feel like that's been kind of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: somehow brushed over in the movie. And then like not
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of people really bringing up or really talking about,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know if it's because they
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: think that it's not possible, but several of the interviews
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: that I've done so far on this movie, no one
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: has really brought that up.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Well, there's the third, there's the third option too, that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: if you, In fact, that might have been discussed in
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: your documentary. Some of the original guys, some of them
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it's not a denial, some of them it's a suggestion,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: but kind of a remote control. Like they're using RV
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to control human beings like puppets. Right. That's where the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: trouble with the serial killers could... Right.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Ryder. Can you explain
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: in this.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Psychic assassination method is it very different from darth vader
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: from star wars kind of like using the force to
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: choke somebody or is it the same sort of thing.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The way that it has been explained to me now
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: no one has explicitly said exactly how it was done
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: i kind of just threw out some scenarios To the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: individual and they didn't say this on record either. It
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: was an off record thing in a private conversation. But
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: you can deduce who said it. They said that because
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I was asking them different ways, you know, I was like, well,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: can you do this? Can you do that? And the
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: one that kind of pinged to me was more along
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the lines of. raising an individual's blood pressure to the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: point to where they have a spontaneous heart attack.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: I see.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was told things when I was first back
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: in the late eighties being tossed up on my mentor.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: One of the things I was taught was a method
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of communicating with another individual who might be on the
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: other side of the globe. And it has to do
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: with using a particular star. And that you can do
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: things as mild as putting the thought in their head, hey,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: call me, contact me. So if you can do that,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: you can likely put the thought into someone's head to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: kill themselves or others. And I think this might be
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the dirty secret of the serial killer connection. And the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: reason why it's probably still going, but very, very secret.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Well, especially with the occult ritual killers, the stars are very,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: very important. A lot of those human sacrifices done by
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the four pi and perhaps other satanic cults, they happen
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: on a stellar timetable. So maybe in line with the
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Ethanox or something like that. You know.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And no one has put this really together, right? No
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: one has. I mean, they've kind of talked about it
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: separately a little bit, and they've kind of used MKUltra
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: in a way to, like, program, which is still a
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: valuable thing. But if there was an entire unit of
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: human beings that were proven to be able to do this,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: then that brings in the question. I mean, how many
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: of these serial killers, and not even the serial killers,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: how many of just the mass pew-pews have said that
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: yes that they were that they've heard voices in their
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: head I mean whatever you think about the clancy case
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: lindsey clancy claimed that she heard voices in her head
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to kill her kill her kids right what doesn't matter
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: what you think you think is she guilty or not
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: obviously she killed her kids but her claims was is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: that she heard voices telling her to do it this
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: has been an ongoing thing for a really long time
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: even um the amityville horror case What was his name?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Robert William DeFeo or whatever that killed his entire family.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Ronald DeFeo.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Ronald DeFeo. He heard voices telling him to kill his family.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Another example of this would be Stephen Craig Heard, who
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: claims he was in contact with the literal Prince of
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Darkness through telepathy. He was hearing him in his voice
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: since 1964. Urging him to kill when he thought he
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: ought to.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think this is something that can be done.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I was going to, a thought just occurred to me,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: jumping over to your Shining documentary. It would be interesting,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and maybe you came across this, it would be interesting
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to look at the people that Kubrick worked with. Because
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: he worked in an era when damn near everything every actor,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: everybody who worked in Hollywood because of World War II.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: They had been in the military. I've done an analysis
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: on the Mannix cast and crew and other shows and stuff.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering who that we've seen in the Kubrick
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: films might have had a connection to the agency or
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: directly MKUltra.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's Jack Nicholson, but he's connected to Manson.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what I mean is somebody who had been
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: in the military or in intelligence. Nicholson hadn't been, although
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: he's got it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Dennis Hopper.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Hopper, yeah. What was Hopper in Kubrick's again?
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he was in any Kubrick films.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Is Ryder, did you ever...
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Did that ever emerge when you were working on the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: shiny thing? Did any of them have any connections to that?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we know that the CIA, NASA, the Air Force,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of the people... a lot of the military
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: intelligence people were in direct communication and were working on
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Kubrick's productions. I mean, 2001 Space Odyssey had.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: All of the three-letter organizations, all the military industrial complex
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: were all a part of the making of that movie.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Because when you're doing a movie like that, you have
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to have the blessing of the military industrial complex, right?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And along with Dr. Strangelove.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: That's how he knew the... Air Force and the government
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: was kind of upset with Kubrick whenever he kind of
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: put together the inside of a B-2 stealth bomber before
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: anybody knew what the inside of a B-2 stealth bomber
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: even looked like. So he was definitely given some sort
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: of classified information at some point and he was definitely
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: working with the intelligence community and the three-letter organizations and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the military industrial complex and even to the point of
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: actors and people that he worked with that might be involved.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's been said that in Eyes Wide Shut,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: that you remember the ritual? Eyes Wide Shut, whenever Tom
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Cruise first walks in and there's the guy in the
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: middle that's swinging the thing and then he picks the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: women to go with a certain man and all that. Well,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the people that were supposedly involved in that ritual, Kubrick
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: had brought in like last minute and nobody knew who
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: these people were. And apparently they just knew exactly what
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: it was that they were supposed to be doing. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: they just came in and Kubrick shot it. And then
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the people left and no one ever saw them again.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: No one ever knew them.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And were they wearing masks?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. And no one knew. And they just randomly showed
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: up and then they did this ritual thing. No one,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: they never rehearsed it before. They just went in and
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: did it. And then they left. So it, it, stands
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the reason that Kubrick knew. And then whenever Kubrick died,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: men were showed up as at his house and was
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: going through all of this stuff and taking things out
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: in boxes, like men in black and stuff like that.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: His secretary is the one that went to his house
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: after he died and saw these people in his house.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: They had keys to his house and keys to his safe.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: And they were rummaging through all this stuff and carrying
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: things out in boxes. So it's like, what did Kubrick
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: actually have that they were so worried about? Well, you know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: What happened to a lot of these people that were
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: involved in these types of operations? You know, like what
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: happened to P. Diddy? P. Diddy's house was completely raided.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: What happened to Jeffrey Epstein's place? It was completely raided.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like they come in and
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: they take some things. So it's not out of the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: realm of possibility that Kubrick could have been involved in
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: some kind of. weird stuff and that's how he knew
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: about the the types of rituals and that's how he
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: knew the people that was involved in the ritual and
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: that's how he knew the people to come do the
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: ritual that was in the movie and then warner brothers
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: saw this and they knew that this wasn't what uh
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: that he knew too much because he was like i
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: tend to believe that he just put himself inside of
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the movie i think that kubrick and this might be
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: going too far into territory of my what i might
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: be getting into in this next movie that i'm doing
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: but i'm just going to say it anyway because i
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: think it's really important I think Kubrick just put himself
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: into the movie, and he's actually the piano player in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Eyes Wide Shut. Really? He's hired by the cabal, the globalist,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't know fully exactly what it is that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: he's a part of, right?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the blindfold on Nick Nightingale represents what's blocked from him.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I have to wonder.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Then what happens to Nick Nightingale, right?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: What happens?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Do we know? I mean, the guy, big men carried
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: him away, but did they, you know? What I'm finding
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: increasingly interesting, particularly since I wrote a book about a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: particular guy, after doing the films he did, and particularly
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: A Clockwork Orange... that has mind control, you know, clearly
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: stuff in it. And then, and then down the road
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: in 80, he comes out with his shining, which so brilliantly,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, showed in culture. There's the issue of doing
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Barry Lyndon instead of a Napoleon film. Now here's the thing,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the Waterloo movie. Okay. That came out in 1970. All right.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: He could have, He could have just waited that out.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: And when he saw that it was kind of a fizzle,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: kind of a bomb, a guy like him would have said, OK,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: now I'm going to tell this, you know, a Napoleon film,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: you know, because look at this. He fails safe, if
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Strangelove was a comedic response to fail safe. So you
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: had two movies there. He wasn't afraid to do Dr.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Strangelove after fail safe. which is another movie about, Oh,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the bombs are going to drop. What do we do?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It's so tense. So why I wonder it's one of
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: two things, cause I'm not buying the, well, the Waterloo movie. Um,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: it's either he was getting more deeply interested in this
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Like you talk about in your documentaries
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and that we analyze and maybe the Napoleon story was
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: just a little too basic history for him. Um, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: lost the other one. I think maybe he was just
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: becoming interested in doing these films about MKUltra and things
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like that. But, this was the other part of it,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: but he still does Barry Lyndon. So that wipes out
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: my explanation that, oh, just doing a ho-hum historical epic,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: because then he still ends up doing Barry Lyndon. And
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Kubrick's not the kind of guy that just because he
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: has a costume designer already engaged and just because he
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: has some visual things he wants to do, he's just
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: going to pick something like Barry Lyndon. I wonder now,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: is there something in Barry Lyndon that we're missing? You
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: have to ask. Is there something about Barry Lyndon that
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: we're missing? But I don't know. Maybe it was just
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: by contract. What do you think?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Barry Lyndon was a historical flop for him. And I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: think that Warner Brothers kind of come to him and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: was like, I think it kind of worried them a
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: little bit. They're kind of like, you know, you got
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to do something. And William Friedkin had just come off
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: of making The Exorcist. Horror movies were kind of becoming
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: really popular. So they were like, okay, well, let's make
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: an adaptation of Stephen King's.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had the book before it was released. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: think they owned the movie rights to the book, right?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yep. But also, Stanley Kubrick was pitched to make a
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings movie. Did you know that? And
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: it was going to star the Beatles.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Now that I didn't know.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: The Beatles were going to be the Hobbits.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Would there be Blue Meanies in it?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like... That was pitched to Stanley Kubrick and Stanley
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Kubrick denied it because he said the technology wasn't up
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: to par at that time to make a really well
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: made Lord of the Rings movie. So he denied doing that.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: But also Stanley Kubrick was really into detail with like
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: all of his films. Like you, like even in Eyes
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Wide Shut, he knew the, he pretty much just hired
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: people to be just in the credits pretty much. He
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: had everything already done. Like he was a mastermind. He
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: had the, he was doing the writing. He was doing
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the costume design. He was doing the shooting of the movie.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: He was the director. He was doing pretty much all
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: of it. He just had to bring people in to
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: take care of this so we can put other people
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in the credits of the movie. He just needed them
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: there for the credits is basically what it was. And
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that, that's why there's not really been
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: another filmmaker like Stanley Kubrick is because he, he was
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: a one man show. He basically did it all. He
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: knew what he was doing. And that's one of the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: things with like Eyes Wide Shutty is like he, when
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: he brought the costume designer in, he already had the
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: prints out of the way, exact way that he wanted
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: all the costumes to look within Eyes Wide Shut. So
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, what did he know? Did he, he had
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: to have been a part of some kind of something
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: that at some kind of party. And then when you
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: take into consideration that Rothschild mansion party in LA as well,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like the things that were,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: if you looked up pictures of that Rothschild party, it's pretty,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: look very similar.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Right now, where was that Rothschild party?
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that it was in LA. I'd have
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to look it up really quickly.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was in New York or something
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: It could have been.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that terrain doesn't look California. It certainly doesn't
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: look Los Angeles, but it does look New York.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been New.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: York. His film after Eyes Wide Shut, of course, was
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: going to be AI, which Spielberg famously took the reins of. And,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what he would have done beyond
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: AI if he'd been given a chance to do that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: one I think he was on I do think that
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: at least from the shining forward he was dedicated to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever this mystery behind what he did.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Was Google AI says that it was in France. So
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: we were both wrong.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: It wasn't in New York or LA.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rothschild Surrealist Ball of 1972. 72.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: So Kubrick himself, did he go to public schools or
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: private schools? I know he would have gone to school
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: before the GATE program started.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I had done the research on this, but I've done
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: so much other research since then, Walter, that I have
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: completely blanked on.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, hey, I know the feeling. I know the feeling.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Somebody will bring up occasionally, they'll say, hey, Walter, I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: got a question, blah, blah, blah. And then I'll remember, oh, yeah,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I remember that in my research. Thanks for reminding me
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: because there's just so much. As you know, you have
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: to pick and choose.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: He went to school, City College of New York, 1946,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Columbia University, Taft High School in the Bronx. I guess
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: he had a really low grade average, which is interesting.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting because the guy was kind of
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a natural genius. Maybe he was just.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: One of those people. This was also in the 40s,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: so he was in high school in the 40s, so
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that these gate programs were as prevalent.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even think they existed back in the 40s.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I was just curious. And he was just too young
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: for World War II, obviously. He was a high school
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: kid when that was going on and started college in 46, so...
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: But he would have been working with, you know, think
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of the people that were in his movies. Most of
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: those guys were, you know, you go back to Path
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of Glory, you know, and a bunch of those guys,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: those were World War II veterans. The Killing, which I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: just watched the other night. Sterling Hayden and all those guys.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm wondering what Kubrick may have heard. over
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the years, possibly from OSS guys, or even guys that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: had been OSS and then CIA guys that might've been
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: on the periphery or somehow part of administering Operation Paperclip.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking he had some, some sources right
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: there in the industry is what I think.
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick did not attend film school. I got that wrong.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: So that's just to correct that. Sometimes people get stuff wrong.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: It's hard to remember a lot of stuff, guys. I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff that I got to remember
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: in my brain.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: No judgment here.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: That's the thing with haters. They kind of expect you
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: never to be wrong. They have really high expectations. But
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: like really, like Dr. Joseph Farrell said, we reserve the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: right to be wrong.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: When I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: As long as you admit it.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Anybody who would bitch about some little thing you got wrong,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know, in your book or in your film, they've
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: never written a book. They've never made a film. And
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: that's usually, you know, you hate to, you hate to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: play that card until you absolutely have to on something. And,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: But Kubrick did go to L.A. for quite a while,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: lived in L.A. for a couple of years. His uncle
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: lives in L.A. and he did go to L.A. So
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: he had to have been. I mean, that's where we
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: kind of hypothesize in A Clockwork Shining that Kubrick would
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: have known about Lookout Mountain during that time, because that's whenever,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: you know, Lookout Mountain Air Force military base was really
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: prevalent in L.A. was, you know, during that time.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: It was probably an open secret in the industry. You know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, don't talk about this publicly or just willingly, but,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you know, some of the guys work, occasionally work over
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: there at the little secret Air Force studio, you know.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I also have a question for you guys, too, because
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I've been seeing a lot of stuff around Manson and stuff.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: And it was actually a video by Danny, Danny Trejo.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Danny Trejo claimed that he was locked up with Charles
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Manson for a period of time and that Charles Manson
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: could literally hypnotize people into believing that they were on heroin.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Danny.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: And as you know, Danny Trejo was part of the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Mexican mafia.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Wild.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Where did, where do you get Charles Manson learned how
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: to hypnotize people to believe that they had taken heroin.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: While I was in prison? He spent most of his
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: life in prison. Like he was like in prison more
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: in his life than he was out of prison. That's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: sort of like, uh, The thing, he studied black magic.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: He studied the occult. He was a Scientologist. He was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: clear via auditing in prison.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he was being a self-taught guy.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I think what he was was a guy who recognized
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: his own strengths and optimized them. I don't know about
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: you guys, but Charles Manson was a human being, was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: an asshole. But he's fascinating to watch when you watch
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the Geraldo Rivera films. And that's part of his powers.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: He can get you engaged in watching him.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: He understood kayfabe, which is a wrestling term. He had
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: a character. He had a persona and he had a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: gimmick and he knew how to use it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Did you guys happen to watch that? I thought it
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: was a horrible premise. I don't think that movies are horrible.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I believe that the premise of some movies are horrible, right?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: It takes a lot to actually make a movie. But
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: did you guys happen to watch that recent Manson documentary
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of the girl that found out that her granddad was
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Charles Manson? No. I think I saw parts of that.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: It's not worth it to catch it. It's so bad.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: But that's not me, you know, because I don't like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: to hate on, you know, movies. I mean, I can
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: disagree with the direction that movies went and the writing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: of movies. But stylistically, it's very difficult to make something
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: like that. So I don't try not to criticize the.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: filmmaking aspect of it but the premise of the documentary
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: was just not good and did not not waste your
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: time on watching that movie she just like wanted to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: complain and and think that her life is over because
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: her granddad was charles manson i'm like really like that's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: the worst thing that happened to you like yeah granddad
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: is you.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Never even met him yeah yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Like I would be doing this the opposite way. I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: would be trying to capitalize on the fact that my
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: granddad is Charles, but she is trying to capitalize on it,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: but in like the worst possible way that you could
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: possibly do it.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah. It's the, you know, protest too much thing.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my, oh my, my grandfather was Charles Manson. Oh,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed, but let me talk about it anywhere
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: that I can. You know, it's, it's a strategy. You know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder, you should look into Jane Mansfield. I'm wondering.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: That was so strange.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Because she was an intelligent woman.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: And talented, like I think a classical pianist was not.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield was a projection. But then she gets mixed
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: up with LaVey, you know. I don't know. That might
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: be an interesting one to delve into. in Kubrick's films
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: unless I'm and of course if I'm overlooking anything were
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: there any actors who came to like some type of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: tragic or less than savory end or time in their
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: life maybe after having done one of his.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Films well lolita the lolita is really crazy have you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: guys had a chance to look into lolita and what
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: happened on the set of lolita.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I've watched the film and i've seen the heard like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: interviews talking about it yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah so pretty much what lolita is about is about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: this uh really young girl that's uh you know pretty
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: much being against her will is um it's a predatory
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: movie of a man you know having sexual relations with
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: an underage girl uh and it turns out that the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: actor on the set of that movie uh was actually
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: having that happen to her in real life by uh
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Kubrick's producer oh my.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: God yeah so yeah Sue Lyon exactly so She was
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: basically having sexual relations with Kubrick's producer during the time
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: that she's making a movie about being an underage girl
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: and having sexual relations.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: With an overage man.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Only in Hollywood.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Super wild when you think about that. And then when
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: you also think about The Shining and the things that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: happened to Shelley Duvall.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: It's basically the exact same type of thing where reality
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: is kind of I mean, art is mimicking reality in
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: that case as to really The Shining was her last movie.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: And then she kind of, you know, spiraled out of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: control and was claiming that. All kinds of stuff. Like she,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: there's a whole, and I don't, she just recently passed
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: away a couple of years ago. But, you know, I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: don't like to talk bad about people's appearance, but she,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: you know, she let herself go. She was talking to Dr.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: It's a very fascinating episode. I would just. you get
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: the chance and you have the stomach for it i
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: would just look up that episode of um of her
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: on dr phil or just type that in and then
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: just give that a listen and a watch but she
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: became very paranoid and in the way that kubrick treated
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: her on set was almost like she was being put
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: through an mk ultra program in and of itself so
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: it was like a very meta movie and the way
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that they were treating Shelley Duvall in the making of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: the movie about a movie that we believe is about
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the things that he was actually doing to Shelley Duvall
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: during the making of the movie. So it was like
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: this very meta, like, breaking the fourth wall type of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: reality that was going on there. That was really interesting
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: when you think about it. And there's been several of those.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned with Lolita, the things that are being
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: done in the movie is either simultaneously happening to the character,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the actor in real life, or it happens to them
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: later on. Because whenever you've seen Shelley Duvall later on,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: you would think that she went through a lot of trauma,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: like a freaking, some kind of literal mind control operation program.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she seemed, I mean, to say not all there was,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of an understatement. There was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: something under the surface there that seemed to keep her
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: on that heightened wild animal kind of level like she
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: could never relax again like maybe he kept her on
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: edge so bad so intensely that like you said the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: trauma of it she never it was a form of
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: I don't like to throw out the PTSD thing willy
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: nilly but you know it is something in that category
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: and has there been any statistics or anything you've ever
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: heard right or about an effect on the audience of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: any particular Cougar film that would be of interest to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the MKUltra discussion.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Well, during, I think in the UK and some other
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: countries during the release of A Clockwork Orange, gangs started forming.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: There was murder rates, theft and like muggings. It like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: went really crazy to the point where Kubrick literally had
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: to pull the movie from being shown in those other countries.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he did a film like Barry Lyndon
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Just as an effect on myself, I believe that watching
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: The Shining as much as I watch The Shining is
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: not a healthy thing to do because it did give
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: me some weird nightmares. People have claimed that The first
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: few people that I actually sent the movie to to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: watch to get the screener for and some subsequent people
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: that watched the movie after that interview me said that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: after they watched the documentary that I made, they had
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: really weird nightmares and strange. But it's something to do
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: with the imagery of The Shining that gets into the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: viewer's subconscious mind. And it's really interesting, too, because there's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: so many subconscious things things that are going on within
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: The Shining that almost makes the viewer question their own reality.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Once you look at all the nuances and all the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: flaws and all of the weird continuity errors within the movie,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: it's almost like Kubrick wants the viewer to go insane
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: watching the movie subliminally. just as the character within The
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Shining is also going insane due to the type of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: programming that he's under up at the Overlook, right? So
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: it's another meta thing that's happening within The Shining. It's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: also happening on the viewer and the spectator that's watching
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: The Shining. It's a multi-leveled, layered thing that Kubrick has
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: really made. But yes, by watching... the shining as many
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: times that I've watched it. I had some really weird
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: and strange, uh, vivid dreams after watching it. And people
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: had claimed that, you know, within watching my movie, they
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: also had weird, crazy and vivid dreams as well, uh,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: by watching the movie. And I just tried to explain
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: to him, I'm like, Hey, listen, I had this exact
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: same thing. And maybe it was like a, subconscious bleed
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: through from me making the movie into making my product, uh, that,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: you know, it kind of, you know, the original vision
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: of what Stanley Kubrick was trying to get across within
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: the shining, uh, kind of came to fruition fruition from
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: my documentary. And then that was kind of imprinted onto
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: the documentary.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Jumping over to the gate documentary and your research on that.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Is there any, are there any statistics that, that would
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: speak to whether American public education in general was, like,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: was there improvement? Was it better during the active years
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: of this? And has it fallen off since then? Or
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: is there, I mean, or there's nothing to speak of that.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wondering if our education system was more
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: effective and better during this program than since it ended?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I believe that this is a very interesting question
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: because it appears not. And I can tell you why
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: that appears to be the case is because they've taken
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: all the smart and intelligent people So if you take
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: all of the smart and intelligent people, and it's not
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: just smart, intelligent people that they're looking for, right? We
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: show the document within the movie that shows that they're
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: looking for people that have pattern recognition, entertainers, people that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: are funny, comedians. They're looking for anybody that they think
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: that they can use in the future, right? It's not
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: just smart, intelligent people. But to be those types of people,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: you have to have a degree of intelligence, right? Not just...
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: street smarts, not just book smarts, right? There's a difference
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: between being intelligent and also being book smart. I'm not
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: book smart, but I can, I believe that I'm an intelligent, critical,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: common sense person, right? That I can put two and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: two together and I have pattern recognition, right? They would
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: be looking for people not only like that, but they
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: would also be looking for inventors, people that can do
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: technological things, people that can create programs that are going
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: to be the next CEO that's probably really looking into
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: AI people right now. You know, kids that know how
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: to prompt AI, that can create AI. So if you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: take all of those people that can really make a
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: difference in our reality, and you have them working for you,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: then that means that they're no longer going to be
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: competition for, they're no longer going to create their own company, right?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Because you have them working for your company. So that's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: the reason why, also why we would take a very intelligent,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: smart person from, let's say, China, or let's say India,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: or a technological person, and that might sound stereotypical, but
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just using it as an example. It doesn't have
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: to be in the, it can be whoever, wherever from
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: another country. We would give them a green card. We
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: have them come over here, work for our company, work
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: for our corporation. So we're going to just use your
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: smarts for the thing that we want you to do.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: And whatever it is that you do for our company
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: and whatever it is that you do for our corporation
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: and our organization, you will never be able to duplicate
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: because we own that. You'll never be able to create
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: your own company using this technology that you developed for
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: our company because we own that patent and you've created
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: that technology for us.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Right, understood. But going back to the school thing, is
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: there anything to say or suggest or wonder if our
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: education system was actually producing greater results education-wise? during the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: years of this program than after, since it ended.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's, that's sort of, I mean, no, I don't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: think so because they've taken all those people out. So
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: those people have not been put into the equation of
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: the overall statistic of public education numbers.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: When you say they take all those people out, but,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: The people who went through it, you mean they've recruited them?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: They've been put into a separate category. They're not evaluated
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: with the rest of the group of kids.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So they found, okay, what you're saying is
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: they found another way to identify than the program. Okay.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I get that. I understand that. But I'm wondering if
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the actual level and intensity of education is if there's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: any statistics that show or suggest whether it was better
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: during the years of this program than it has been since.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the people that they've recruited. I'm
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: talking about the... I'm wondering if, coincidentally, the years of
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the GATE program actually might have, for a while, somehow
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: improved or did not improve our general education standards. system
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: in a general way is there anything about.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: That uh not not necessarily but i would i would
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: argue that the education has gone nothing but downhill since.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Oh agreed yeah yeah most definitely maybe we have our
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: answer maybe the answer we kind of common sense.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Wise seems.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Intelligence has done nothing but decrease and it might appear
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: that way for a reason because I want people to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: think that everybody is stupid but that doesn't mean that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: there's not intelligent smart people still out there but I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: would I guess kind of what I was getting at
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: is that I don't believe that the smart intellectual people
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: that could have brought the standard up of intelligence in
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: a group setting were counted in the whole of people
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: that they would be statistically studying.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Is what I mean. So the gate program kids that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: were involved in the gate program would have been statistically
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: studied separately so what you would probably need to do
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: and you probably could never get the actual documentation from
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: the studies within the gate program is the gate program
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: stuff would be done separately from everybody else.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Right yeah i would think yeah it would be a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: separate statistic i was just i was i was curious
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: one thing you know the thing was that the curriculum
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: wise if coincidentally during those years the curriculum and we
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: already answered where it kind of already answered that.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Shoot.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: I got my other question. It'll come back to me.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: So, Ryder, may I ask, when is this new documentary
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: set for release?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: It's already out.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, it is?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm behind.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm way behind.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to watch it. See, I haven't
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: watched that one yet. I've only watched... Hawkwork Shining and
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Psychic Agent.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, those are the two that we've been talking about.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: I haven't done it. That's the newest one.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, okay. I got confused there for a second.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: I thought maybe you were planning another one, like a follow-up.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, and it's excellent. You should check it out, Todd.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody watching this, go check it out. I remember what
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I was going to comment on. I think one of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: the problems that they might have discovered... through the years
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: of doing the GATE program, they're watching school kids, right?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I think the wrench in whatever they collected, observed, enhanced,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: the wrench is what we call adulthood. That's unpredictable. I mean,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: how many times have we seen the person who was
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: real sharp at school and maybe they were the valedictorian
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: in high school or something, and then they go on
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: to really do nothing? I mean, that happens. And or
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: maybe they really go on to screw up their lives
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: because of the choices that, you know, once you're an adult,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and I think that might be, that's part of the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: observation process, if I'm to believe my mentor, is they're watching,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: you know, what situations you choose to get into, what
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: friends you choose, what relationships you get in and out of,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: what you do. And I'll tell you, this is a
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: big one in spoof world, as you could imagine, but
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: it really comes down to And there's a caveat to this.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: What you do when you think nobody's looking, that right
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: there can be a measure of character. Now, on the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: other hand, with the caveat, it also may not be
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: because you have people who, you know, their personal lives
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: are a dumpster fire. But when it comes time to focusing,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: say mission focus or objective focus or whatever, They're spot
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: on and they're really damn good at what they do.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: So it's not a disqualifier, but maybe they were looking
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: at so many children in the program that once these
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: people started aging out of school and they were observing
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: them in adulthood, they realized, oh, okay, in X number
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: of percentage of these kids, the promise that we saw
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: just is up in smoke because... You know, this person
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: is an adult. They're an idiot. Maybe. Or just unfortunate.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Anything you learned on that kind of idea?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that when you get to a certain,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: like if the programming didn't take, and as you know, Walter,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: and as you've said, and you've talked about in the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: documentary and a part of the interview of the documentary,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they're watching, they're kind of there to push
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: you in a certain direction, right? They're there to edge
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: you along and kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. Put you like,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: you should probably do this. Oh, I think that you
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: should probably do. And it doesn't have to be any
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: more than a suggestion. It's kind of like, you know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: the whole Paul Benowitz scenario as well. It wasn't that
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: they were telling Paul that 100% that it was aliens
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: that he was seeing. They were just, they just kind
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: of made a suggestion like, Oh, that's really interesting thing
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: that you got there, Paul. And then kind of let
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: them just go on with the thing that he believed. Right.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: That's what the, that's, that would be the type of
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: handling that I would expect would be going on with people.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Once they have gotten out of high school, like if
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: it's somebody really serious, like, Like somebody like yourself that
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: may have been involved in, you know, something that you
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: might not even be aware of that you were kind
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: of involved with that might involve, you know, elite groups
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: outside of that, you know, and senators and other people.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: The people that are really serious in that, they get
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: more strict with them. They're more, they're there, they're watching
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: them where they're going. Like you mentioned in the documentary,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think that I put it in actually in
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: the documentary, but as a part of the interview process,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: because we interview, you know, for like hours. It's not,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and you're down to like 20 minutes interview.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: In the actual movie, because you can't make the freaking
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: movie 12 hours, okay? No one's going to watch a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: 12-hour film. You have to put stuff on the cutting
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: room floor. But I believe that you said in the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: interview that there were points in time where, you know,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: that your mentor would call you and ask you the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: exact route that you needed to take. And whenever you
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: off that route, they were like, uh.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: There were consequences.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: You went off the route there, Walter, and why did
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: you do that? And they were kind of upset with
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: you because they had someone following you.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they always had a team. Whenever I was
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: traveling between wherever I was to see him and then
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: after departing, or if I was going cross-country, whether I
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: saw him or not, he would have a team following me.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: And that's why I would be given specific route instructions
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: to take. And the one time I deviated was when
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I had my then wife and, you know, what, three-year-old
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: son with me. or, you know, three-year-old son with me.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, they'll be more comfortable in the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: places you can stay along highway 40 instead of 10,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, cause 10 is kind of the, you know, the, the, the,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: the serial killer route, to be honest, going through the Southwest.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, so yeah, yeah, you're right. It's, you know,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: another thing is you were saying that is my mentor chose,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: he waited until I was finished with college to overtly
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: begin mentoring me, which is interesting because sometimes people, as
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: soon as you're out of high school and you get
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: in college is when they start working. Yeah. He waited
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: until I was out of college for whatever reason. And
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: there could be a number of, logical reasons for that,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: but it is notable, you know, was he waiting to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: see if I was going to be some party maniac
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: or something, you know, which I wasn't, I was, I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: was a nerd. I still am a part, you know,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: but it, it is this thing we're talking about after
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: you finish the gate program and you go into adulthood,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: it's when you're working with people, right. And you're doing
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: some type of recruitment or particularly the operational work, It's
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: always a roll of the dice with human beings. It's always,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: you know, there's going to be the unknowns. And that's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: why you spend, I've spent my times with my pager,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: this is the 90s, with my pager when I had
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: an asset out in some other part of the world,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: kind of spending all weekend waiting for that secret signal
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: that tells me he's home and he's safe. And it
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: appears no one followed him there. And you're kind of like, okay,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen? You don't know. So there's always
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: that factor, which brings us around to if you want
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: to minimize that problem, maybe you want to use MKUltra
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: to control their mind a little bit more, to know
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: a little more for certain. what they're likely to be
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: doing out there when they're away. I mean, as a
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: guy who ran double agent operations, I could totally just
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: in a cold clinical way. Oh, hell yeah. If I
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: could have sent a body out, you know, to one
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: of the targets and that's what you do in double agentry.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I was that right, Pat. I had a several state
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: AOR for a certain aspect of my job, but we
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: were global in our operations. We can send our assets
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: anywhere on this planet. And if I could have sent
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: a body and sat there and mind controlled him, hell yeah.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Coldly clinically, not as a human being, but as an agent,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: pure cold agent, I, oh, the application of something like
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: that is just beautiful. But as a human being, that's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: where the problems come in, you know. But I, because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: I can think that, and I like to think I'm
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: a decent human being and I see the problem with that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: We all three here know, and everybody watching this knows
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: that there's guys out there in that world that they're
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: not going to give a damn. They're going to say, Hey,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: it's an effective tool. We're going to use it. So
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: I wonder, I have to wonder now sitting right here,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: how many of our double agent situations, Hey, when I
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: was working in counterterrorism, there were some assignments I had
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: that we, we would, we would look at each other
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: and say, why are we really here? There's a country
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I would go down to, Latin America, and I kid
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: you not, I'd be down there for 30 days, this
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: one particular trip, 30 days, and I was operational for
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: maybe 90 minutes the whole time I was down there.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Killed by Dave McKellen?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: What oh you your computer froze up for a second
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: so i had to jump.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: In god damn it okay what did you what did
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: what what did i say last funny how i was
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: talking about that.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: You were talking well it's right after you were talking
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: about how good it would have been to like be
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: able to control people uh from a distance as an
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: agent and that some people in the um Three-letter agency
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: community would probably take advantage of that.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: So you missed the part I was saying about, you know,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: when I was operational in counterterrorism, there was a time
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: where we'd go down to this Latin American country. I'm
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: just using this particular one as an example. And I
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: was there for like 27, 28, around 30 days. And
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I was operational for 90 minutes in a month. But
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: we're still going around doing this, that, or the other.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: And I have posited in the past when talking about
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: remote viewing that they do use other people as antenna,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: so to speak, to boost the signal. And so the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: job I was in in counterterrorism, working all over the world,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: easily the whole team or any one of us could
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: have been one of these signal boosters and not be
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: aware of it at all. because they would just send
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: us out to someplace. And there were trips where we
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't encounter a bad guy or anything at all. We
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: would just be there. And we had this routine that
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: we had to go here every day and there every day.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: And later, when I learned more about the remote viewing
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: stuff and this signal boosting antenna thing, and I learned
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: some of the facts about it from Lynn Buchanan, I realized, oh,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: they could easily have been using us as one of
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: these antenna, you know? Like if I were in Bogota
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: and I was told, hey, go to this particular food
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: court at the Unicentro, the mall, the antenna, you know,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: go there every day, you know, just kind of kill
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: timeline there between two and four and after. Okay. You
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: do it because you get paid good money and hell,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: you're in Bogota, you're eating well, you know, living the life.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: And what it could be is somebody that they're observing
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: is there at that time. You don't, it would have been,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: it would have been very easy to be used that way.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: And so I wonder, you know, the other remote applications
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: of MKUltra, you know, we could, we could do all
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: shit with that.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that there are real exercises like that.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: They're called some of the programs call them different things,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: but one of them was called beacon exercises, which is
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: where a remote viewer can literally see through a target's eyes.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: I might've been something like that could have been happening
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: with you where remote viewer literally kind of, it's not
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: really like being possessed.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to, I'm going to say this, because
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: you said it, I didn't. What you just said. I'm
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: not even going to repeat the word. What I'm going
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: to say is, I have no comment on that. You
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: get the roundabout way? Something you just said, I will
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: say terminology-wise, is a bingo. And the first time I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: heard you say it, I don't know if it was
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: in the documentary or in another interview, within the context
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: that you said it, I had one of those, where
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: do you learn about that kind of moments? And I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: hadn't had that kind of moment since like 90 or
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: 91 when on.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: What was the friggin' David Lynch TV show? Why can't
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I remember that? Twin Peaks. Thank you. Twin Peaks. When
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: I saw Michael Parks as a Russian agent walk out
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and use a particular
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: form of communication with a satellite, and I had been
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: briefed about that exact thing three years before the FBI
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: and sworn to secrecy, never to even breathe the acronym
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: in my sleep. And there it was on a TV show. But, yeah,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: you just... I think you're right about something you just said,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: more than you realize.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: Also, as I recall, one time you mentioned the Fuji
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: plant that was used in Twin Peaks. The intelligence agencies
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: did something like that too, right? With the listening device
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: in the Fuji plant?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. Give me more context.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Wyndham Earle Gave the sheriff a Fuji plant. A Fuji tree, right? No,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: a bonsai tree.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. A bonsai tree.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: And it had a listening device in it.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's common type stuff, though. Yeah. What what writer
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta be careful I truly do well.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: That's good Walter I'm glad to know that at least
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: you know I'm on the I'm at least on the mark.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: There you're somebody told you something that's.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah I can tell you exactly who I heard that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: from but I'm not gonna tell you on the air Right.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: We can talk later. Because, yeah. Wow. I just I'm like,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: but anyway. So tell us about what you can about
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: the next project that you're going to work on.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I believe that it is– I mean, I want
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: to do one on– another one on Stanley Kubrick because
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I think the timing is right. People are really into
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Kubrick again, and it might be like a– I was
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: either going to do a director's cut of A Clockwork
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Shining or just decide to do another. But I think
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: there's enough material that me and Jay can do to
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: make another– another movie, an entire movie on Turner.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Turner classic movies is running an excellent podcast. I think
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: it's like eight episodes all about Stanley Kubrick right now.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Just let me throw that in.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, perfect. What's the name of it? Turner.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: You said Turner classic on Turner classic. Yeah.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: TCM. I, we just went and watched me and my girlfriend.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: We just went and watched Donnie Darko for the 25th anniversary.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Donnie Darko is crazy. Good movie. Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So how well is the Gate Program documentary doing?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Getting a lot of views and such?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I normally base it off of how many
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: reviews and how many ratings there are because we don't
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: really get any of it. It's kind of like with streaming.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like if you ever deal with Netflix
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You don't get the data. You
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: don't know the data for a long time. We'll know whenever,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: you know, some kind of, I think in like another
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: two to three months.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: We'll know something. We won't have all of the information
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: and then that'll be based off of the first month
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: of its release. But I believe that it's on par with,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: at least on par, if not better than A Clockwork Shining,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: which is always good when you either want the movie
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: or the film to do just as good or even better.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that this one's going to have a
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: lot of legs because a lot of people are interested
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: in this. It's a very discussed topic. Uh, the gay
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: program is really hot right now. And there's even a,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: another big time director that's, uh, getting ready to, that's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: working on a, a movie about this, uh, very thing. So, uh,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: it's just going to be a really big deal. And
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I think that it's going to have a lot of
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: legs and it hasn't even began to see it's a
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: full potential as of yet.
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  Speaker 1: So. Well, one of the people, One way you know
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  Speaker 1: you're doing good is if the streaming network tells you, hey,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: send us another one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they always want the other one. That is definitely
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: how you know is doing really good is when they
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: want the other one. And I think that we're going
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: to start working on that soon.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: What would you say is the biggest thing you've learned
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: from first the clockwork shining and then the gate? documentaries
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: what were the biggest things for you that you.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Learned oh man probably uh how much time energy effort
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: it takes to i mean because with this movie uh
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: psychic agent which i have dvds of as well if
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: people are interested in purchasing a dvd you can contact
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: me at uh raised by giants at outlook.com.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: And we'll put that link down below in the description too.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Uh so pretty much basically like just and timing because
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I've been working on this for a long time. How
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: long ago did we filmed your part of the movie
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: a while ago?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Around nine months ago, we filmed your part of the
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: movie and you were one of the last people that
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: I had filmed and I'd been filming this for a
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: really long time. So I've been working on this for
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: around a year and a half. So it took a
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: while to get everything put together. It was about as
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: long as it took to get everything together with The
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Clockwork Shining. So anytime that you're making a long movie
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: my next one is not nearly going to be this
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: long i've done two back-to-back that are around an hour
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: and 90 minutes and an hour and 50 minutes sorry
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: uh and it's just strenuous it's so time consuming you
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: gotta watch it so many times and by the time
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: you're done with it you're just like tired freaking sick
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: of it you're over it you want it to be
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: done so bad.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Your mind is kind of already thinking of the next
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: one right.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: but I love it
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: and I wouldn't change anything.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: I mean they're awesome films you were definitely one of
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: the best documentarians out there Todd you got any other questions?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: No but I'd like to say that I would agree
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: with Walter they're two of the best documentaries I have
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: watched in a long time very smooth presentation in my opinion.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the information is just... Yeah, yeah, it's mind-blowing.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: It really is what it is. It's like you're kind
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: of like taken back by the information because you weren't
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: expecting it, I guess.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'll tell you one thing, writer, that you do.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: I've said it before, I'll say it again. The fact
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: that when you introduced... When you interviewed me for Clockwork Shining,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: and again, I had no idea what your premise of
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: the film was, It gives, even though I'm in the film,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: it gives me some credibility when I finally saw it
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: and said, whoa, this is the explanation for The Shining.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: This is, I'm not just saying that because I knew
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: what you were going to say and I was in
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: the thing. I honestly didn't know. And I learned it
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: when everybody else watching it learned it. And honestly, you know,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: that's it. You've explained it. And, you know, but that's it.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you that means a lot to me and that's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: kind of the approach that i wanted to take with
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: the the movies that i make is because i watch
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: too many documentaries where it seems like nothing really gets
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: solved you know like it's just like it just kind
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: of keeps going and you think that it's leading to
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: a certain place and then it just kind of ends
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: and you're like I got more. I mean, that is
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: a part of it. You do want to have people
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: asking more questions after they're done too. But it seems
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: like a lot of documentaries, they only give you more questions.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: They don't give you any more answers. And it's just like, well,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: I got more questions than what I came in with,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: So I've had people say that about my books. Some
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: of them. Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: But that's not a bad thing, though. I still like
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: those types of material, too. And I love documentaries. I mean,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm a documentary filmmaker is because I love
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: watching documentaries. But I was like, well, you know, we
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: got an answer. We have to answer at least a
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: very important, like one of the very important questions within
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: each one of these documentaries. And that important question in
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: A Clockwork Shiny was, What was Kubrick trying to get
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: across with Making the Shining? There's so many different theories.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: What was really going on? And I believe that we
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: answer that.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, you did. I agree.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Psychic agent, the gate program. The question really is, is
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: what was happening with these gate programs? And I believe
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: that we give a pretty good answer to that and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: what was going on. But it's not the only answer.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Just like the answer that we gave in A Clockwork
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Shining is not the only answer, but it is an answer.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a dang good answer. Just like
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: the psychic agent, the gay program is also another really
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: good answer.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Well, we're down to the last couple of minutes. tell
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: us where everyone can find you and your films again.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: You can find me on a writer Lee on YouTube,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: any and all podcast platforms. If you would like to
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: reach out to me personally, you can find me on
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Facebook at writer Lee. You can find me on X
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Twitter at a real writer Lee and on Instagram at
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: real writer Lee as well. And if you would like
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: to reach out to me personally, if you, don't like
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Amazon for some reason or you don't want to support
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: the film on the digital, which I do implore you
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: to do because it continues. If the movies do really good,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: it gives us you know the the funds that we
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: need to make the next movie you know that's really
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: what it's about uh so please get on there and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: support that it's only it's less than a cup of
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: coffee guys you can buy and watch the movie and
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: support an independent filmmaker that's right less than you can
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: go to mcdonald's and get a large Ice coffee.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: But if you would like to get a physical DVD
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: copy of the movie, which I do think is also
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: important to get because physical media is becoming a new thing. Walter,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I can also get one of these out to you
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: as well. I just realized that I didn't send you one, too.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: uh but i also want you to have one too
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: because you never know the sealed copies might be worth
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: a lot in the future you never know walter anything
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: collectible these days is worth a lot of money but
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: if you're interested in getting a physical copy from me
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: of psychic agent the gate program you can uh reach
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: out to me at raised by giants at outlook.com thank
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: you guys very much for having me on.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: It's always thank you mr lee thank you thank you
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: we gotta have you back on because this is we've
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: there's no way this conversation is finished. It can go
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: on and on.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: So, and I will, I will send you the research
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: material on, um, green Valley school and, uh, I'll send
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: you whatever serial killer stuff you need. If you're interested. Awesome.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really, uh, interesting rabbit hole. And
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: I think I do need to go down there because
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I do have a lot of examples of people that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: have been through the gate program, like, you know, people like, uh,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: Marilyn Manson was supposedly recruited, you know, out of his
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: own words.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: A place to start might be the book program to
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: kill by Dave McAllen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Okay.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: But that revolves more around like MK ultra stuff, but
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: MK ultra is, uh, wrapped up into the gate program stuff. Right.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's connections. All of it's connected, I think. Okay, folks. Well,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: thanks again. And Ryder, we'll see you again soon, I hope.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: We'll make that happen. And everybody have a good night,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time.