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THROWBACK: The Mountain Of the Dead · Cosmic Peach

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  it old school with another crowd favorite, featuring one of
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  my favorite co hosts, Brian Jason from the Cleveland Twill podcast.
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  This is a super interesting episode diving into the high
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  strangeness of.
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  Speaker 2: The Diachtlas past incident.
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  Speaker 1: Why you are podcast?
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  Speaker 2: The spectacular contenuus with the Halloween addition to the Cosmic
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  Peach podcast, and we are gonna be talking about the
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  Doomed expedition. And who do we have on tonight? Well,
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  we have on the new host of the Cleveland Shwill podcast,
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  my very own cousin, Brian. How are you hey?
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Cosmic Peach listeners, And it's nice to be back.
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  Speaker 2: It's going down because I have my theories, you have
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  your theories, and the listeners have their own theories, which.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're going to ruffle some feathers. Toy, I
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  did so, and I'm okay with that. Go ahead and
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  just tell me how stupid I am in the comments.
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  I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: No, So all right, So what I'm gonna do, I'm
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  gonna just kind of break down the beginning and then
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  I'm gonna let you jump in. So what I have
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  is a group of nine mountaineers embark on a winter
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  trek into Russia's I think it's pronounced Earl mountains, and
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  their destination was a mountain called Mount o Torton. It
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  is in Russia, obviously, and the locals call it oh Torton,
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  which is Mancy for do not go there. So in
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  the group there were three experienced engineers and the others
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  were students. They were all young. The oldest of them
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  was like thirty seven and get this, they had conducted
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  other treks to this area, so this was not their
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  first time.
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  Speaker 1: And actually most of them are highly.
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  Speaker 2: Experience, right right, and they were successful in their previous tracks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, but for reasons we will obviously be discussing this
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  particular track on February first, nineteen fifty nine, ended up
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  in the deaths of all nine hikers, right your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's talk about how the bodies were found
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  and why it is so appealing to people, especially because
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  it's so confusing, you know. So one of the things
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  we were going to debate that this is what I
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  have written down is the tents were found cut from
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  the inside, open with provisions and things left behind when
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  they ran out. Okay, when some of the bodies were found,
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  they had high levels of radiation, one was missing a tongue,
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  one was missing eyes cuts. Some of the bodies were
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  described as being found with such extreme trauma, like blunt
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  force type trauma that they knew a human being could
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  not have done it. They were destroyed these bodies. What
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  I have two is, you know, there was remnants of
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  a fire. Some of the people were wearing the other
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  one's clothes. So it was interesting though, because they were
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  very good about documenting while they were going. They took
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  a lot of pictures and they wrote their famili's postcards
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  and that's part of the reason why a search party
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  ended up coming out anyway, because the postcards stopped coming.
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  I do know that the day that they were ended
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  up at that pass, which a memorial now sits on
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  it and it's actually highly visited. A lot of people go there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a memorial thing put up there. But
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  the day that they were actually doing that track horrible,
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  This is completely documented. A horrible snowstorm came in very
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  high winds, extremely loud, and actually pushed them off course
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  and that's how they ended up over there, because the
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  course was not plotted from there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I have that they ended up at a place called
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  they set up camp atop an area called co lot Seacle,
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  which translates to the Mountain of the Dead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I did not. I don't
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  know anything about that, and who knows if it got
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  that name after the incident. I do know that some
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  of that stuff though, like local people knew you don't
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  go there, like yeah, that's why it.
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  Speaker 2: Was called the Do Not Go There Mountain pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. I do know that. You know,
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  it is interesting the tracks that they found, like leaving
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  the tents. None of them were wearing boots or shoes.
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  They're either in socks or barefoot. Yeah, one person's hand
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  was found bitten. One there's pieces of flesh found up
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  in the trees. I mean, this was all.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about actually, while we're on that, if we're talking
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  about how they were found. So this is what I
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  have for my notes that I wanted to make sure
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  I read to you and you got and got your thoughts,
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  because I have something was obviously pushing them to run
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  away without taking any clothing with them, no supplies, nothing,
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  so it would appear to me that they were flighting
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  and not fighting. So basically they were found in what
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  can be described as various states of mutilation, Like some
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  of them were burned, some of them suffered radiation poisoning.
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  One like you said the tongue was missing, and someone
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  said they looked prematurely aged, that their skin was literally
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  orange and their hair had turned gray.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard that. Yeah, I don't know that about
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  that body. I don't know if that's something that could
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  also have to do with a high levels of radiation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because one of the theories was like maybe an
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  animal got a hold of them, and then I saw
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  someone try to debunk it and go the area where
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  they were in was so inhospitable that there wouldn't have
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  been animals to like start eating them.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't completely roll out animals. I mean, animals are
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  very resilient, they're smart, they know what they need to
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  be doing, and like they're not going to miss an
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  opportunity to take advantage of anything. You know, they don't
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  have the McDonald's up the street, so if they're around
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  and there's something there that they can eat and it's
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  right there, not going to fight back, I wouldn't roll
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  completely out. With the amount of time that passed between
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  their deaths and then them being found, which we both
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  have discrepancies on that we can get into later. And
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  I don't want to reveal all my stuff till the
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  end of what I actually think happened. I think we
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  could talk about some of the other theories.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me actually give you my gist of things.
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  Speaker 1: Then Okay, let me get.
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  Speaker 2: This part out of the way, because I feel like
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  what I have is what most of our listeners are
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  going to be like, yeah, that's what happened. Okay, then
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  you can do years and we'll just debate each other then. Okay,
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  So basically I have the animal thing couldn't have happened
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  because but obviously it's like you said, if they're out
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  there for a couple of days, I have that they
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  were found ten days later and they were in these
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  various states of mutilation. And I also have that because
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  the cold should have turned them into popsicles and preserved
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  their bodies, why were they found like this like I
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  would think, and it's like they're so hospitable. Let's just
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  say there's no animals. The cold should have preserved the bodies.
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  So you can't blame the cold or the animals. And
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  I don't know if there was any radioactive animals that
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  could do this, unless spider that bit Peter Parker was
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  out there, but that's probably not the case. Okay, let's
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  just roll that off. And basically it doesn't stop there
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  with like the orange coloration, the hair turning gray, because
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  three of them had injuries consistent with being hit by
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  a speeding car. But it was all internal, like their
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  ribs were crushed like eggshells. Some of them actually had
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  shards of their ribs enter into their hearts, but no
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  effect on the skin. It was all internal, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I got the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this has been compared to a direct energy
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  weapon to crush the inside and leave the outside pristine
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  and there. Yeah, I'm thinking like direct energy weapon because
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  basically the snow, the trees, everything else in the era
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  was completely untouched. But we have like three people with
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  crushed syndrome, a lady with gray hair, no eyes, no tongue,
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  all this weird stuff, orange skin yea. And basically the
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  official explanation was that the nine died of hypothermia, but
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  EEF investigator never believed that was the cause of death
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  and refused to sign off on the report and instead
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  he completely resigned from the inquiry.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's their actual government explanation, which this is
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  this is what leads to conspiracy theory. Let's face it
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  was basically it's extremely vague. They weren't There was not
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  really any uh leaked information period they I mean, they
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  basically left it up to interpretation and let and when
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  you do that, people are going to fill in the blanks,
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  absolu fucking loosely, withever they whatever they want, They're going
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  to fill the blank. They're going to fill the blank.
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  That's where you get these there's a well, we can
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  get into some of the other theories in a minute,
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  but i'll when you're ready, I can talk to talk
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  to you about them. They're kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just sum up the end and then we
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  can get to Brian's interpretations. So basically, I have like
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  the local authorities try to cover the whole thing up.
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  It was practically forbidden to mention it. And at the end,
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  their bodies were buried in zinc coffins and they were
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  closed coffins so no one could see them. I looked
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  into the whole zinc coffin's thing, and most websites basically
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  the information that I found said they used inc coff
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  when they need like a really good seal on the coffin,
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  which just kind of gave me the creeps, like what
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  were they trying to seal in there? Like something coming
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  off the corpses, Like what is it? So there was
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  enough of an investigation and enough people had seen the
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  corpses to conclude that they were not being told the truth.
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  For example, why were some of them with their skin
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  completely orange? The crushed syndrome thing, It was weird. Oh,
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  a lot of people say to this state it's an
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  unsolved murder. And just to top it off, years later
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  after the event took place, members of the search party
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  spoke out and according to their testimony, at the time
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  of the incident, strange orange spheres or orbs were seen
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  floating in the sky the night of the hiker's death,
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  and even more or locals from the area confirmed the
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  siding and of course other.
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  Speaker 1: People hiking and that that did happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Mancy people, like the local people that
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  live over there, they were like yeah, And basically, fiery
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  spheres have been ever present in Russia, especially in the
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  more desolate areas, and locals know they exist, and it's
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  basically just become a normal part of life for them.
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  And to answer your question from earlier, according to an
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  ancient Mancy legend, the Mountain of the Dead where our
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  nine hikers were mutilated, received its name after a similar
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  incident took place in which nine Mancy men were also
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  found dead while seeking salvation from a flood, So I
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  know that there was a.
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  Speaker 1: River or stream real close to there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess that was like back in like
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  ancient time zone. That's where the legend came from. But
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  my question to you is what would have compelled nine
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  experienced mountaineers to flee their camp in their skivvies and
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  bare feet and run for their literal lives And what
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  in the world could explain the type of damage they sustained?
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Okay, let me go into a couple of
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  the other more conspiracy type theories, because there are some
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  here that some people are going to want to hear mentioned.
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  I think, Okay, one, there was actually a photo that
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  you can look up that was taken and it was
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  we know, we can confirm it's a real photo that
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  they know, it's not doctored. It's real. If you look
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  it up, i'd say, like yachtlav pass YETI or whatever
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  and taken there. Now, so this YETI It's it's one
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  of those photos where it's more of like an outline
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  of something in the background and you're gonna make your
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  own interpretation of it. I think the problem with this
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  theory of the picture and them thinking that it could
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  be a Yeti there is. Yes, you see some of
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  the bodies are mutilated, but the other ones that had
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  like severe trauma, there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Done to the skin, nothing on the skin.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing on the skin. If a bigfoot is whooping your ass,
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  you m h, you're gonna have something on the skin
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  right now, Yeah, you're gonna have something. So I don't
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  really like that theory. But the picture is there, and
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  it kind of sparked, you know, those who want to
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  believe that a Yeti's up there kicking people's butts, and
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  they see that picture. I mean, that's gonna be some
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  evidence for that. But I just don't think like yeties
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  don't have anything to do with radiation. Yeties don't have
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  anything to do with you know, cutting your from the
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  inside and not like this, they'd be ripping the tent
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  open to get to the people. Right. So there's another theory.
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  And you talk about the government, believe it or not.
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  I think four of the hikers, and I don't know
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  they're there, they all went to this school called UPI,
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  and four of them had major KGB connections for real,
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  like this is one hundred percent true documented They these
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  are really smart young people who had connections to the government.
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  There are people out there who one hundred percent believe
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  that the government could have been involved to try to
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  cover up some things. But again that's a lot of
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  speculation without a lot of evidence. And I get that
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  when we do these things, we have to speculate. Even
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  my story is going to be some speculation that had
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  happened this way that way. I mean, I can't confirm
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  these things. I can't prove it, you know, you just
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  have to basically believe it. But there are a lot
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  of connections to the KGB with this this hiking group,
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  and they were a very smart group of people and
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  a lot of engineers, and some of them had military experience.
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  As a matter of fact, I think the last person
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  to join the expedition was one hundred percent of KGB
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  member And like that really got those type of rumors flowing. Okay,
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  then when you talked about the craft there they did well.
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  People that our meteorologists say everything that that fits with
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  ball lightning, and that there is a lot of ball
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  lightning in that area, ground lightning, ball lightning, and that
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  can look like giant orbs light orbs in the sky,
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  and that one of the theories actually about that is
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  they said when that ball lightning would happen, they thought
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  that the group saw this and was like, we've got
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  to document this, and they cut their tents open and
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  went out there to try to like get photographs of it.
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  But see, to me, because the other campers nearby did
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  see these lights in the sky, all that's confirmed that
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  that stuff was going on that night the storm. But
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  the thing to me that bothers me about that is like,
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  if you're going to you're not cutting your tent open
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  to take the camera out. You're not running down the
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  damn thing bare flick and negative thirty degrees, which it
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  was negative thirty degrees. Yeah, no way to go to
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  go take some pictures of some stupid ass ball lightning
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  with your camera that it's not even a megapixel it
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  can't you know, it's going to take sixteen years to
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  to develop it. Yeah, So I was like, this, this
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  is crap. But that is another one of the theories.
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  It's just a hard one for me to swallow because.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, these are very intelligent people. This isn't
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  Joe Schmoe out there hiking.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know they've got a lot of experience,
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  They're they're not going to destroy their tent over some
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  pictures of ball.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, another interesting one, and I had heard this
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  one in the past, is there's a thing called infra sound,
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  which is the sound that we can't really hear with
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  our ears. But there is a belief that wind, and
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  we know that there was a lot of strong wind
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  can cause this infra infra sound. And what it does
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  is there is a belief that it can cause people
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  to do like basically lose their minds, not just to hallucinate,
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  like literally start doing things that just most people wouldn't
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  ever do think to do. It's it literally drives them crazy, which.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like direct energy weapon.
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  Speaker 1: To me, Well, it can sound like whatever. I don't know.
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  I mean, I just know that it's that's what they're saying,
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  but I don't know if that's ever even been proven,
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  you know, like that this stuff drives people crazy or
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  does any of this stuff, But they say it causes
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  irrational fear and would cause people to behave that way
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  running into the thing, bite yourself, cut flesh off, eat
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  your friend, and put their clothes on and dive like
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  the thermia.
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  Speaker 2: Explain the radiation in the crush syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Oh who cares? Who cares about that stuff that doesn't
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  fit the narrative. Just throw that out. Let's say what
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  I have to say. So, so I don't know. I
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  don't buy. That's why I don't buy. But these are
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  very these are very popular theories. You know, a lot
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  of people hold about this, the sound theory and all that.
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  So the last one I have is actually what I
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  think happened. So if you want to cover anything before this,
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  let me know, and I will wait to bring it up.
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  Speaker 2: But Brian, it better cover all the points. Radiation crush,
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  cutting their tent from the inside, missing tongue, It better
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  cover all of it, or else we have to agree
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  this was a direct energy weapon. Brian, go ahead, Well.
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  Speaker 1: The ultimatum has been put forward. Okay, So there was
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  a scientist who had this epiphany one day watching a
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  Disney movie Frozen, and what he saw and Frozen was
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  a simple like background scene where you see what is
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  known and as a specific type of avalanche, it's called
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  the delay slab avalanche. And delay slab avalanches are not
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  very big. They're not like you envisioning in the movies
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  or you see off the side of a mountain where
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  just the snow. It's blatantly obvious this is an avalanche.
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  It's covering everything. You're gonna be buried in twenty five
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  feet of snow. A delayed slab avalanche happens similar to
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  like when you would you have to have a degree
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  of angle of about above twenty degrees, and we know
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  that the mountain side that they were next to was
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  twenty three degrees. So what happens is as the snow
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  builds up, and we know a major snowstorm was occurring
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  at that time because that's what took them off course,
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  howling winds, ball lightning confirmed to some people, or UFOs
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  to others. So there's a major storm going on. As
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  that snow built up. That other snow that was already
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  packed was kind of like a shelf already almost like
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  a book. And let's say you had two books like
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  you used to have in school, math and history. They're
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  all glossy and they're sitting on top of each other.
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  You pick that one book on the bottom and you
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  start lifting it up, and once you get that book
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  to about twenty three degrees, you'll notice the other one's
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  slides right off, and what they're thinking happened is that
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  snow is it built up, slid off the other snow
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  and covered the tents of the hikers at about three
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  to four feet of snow, which would be which actually
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  would have some weight to it and be pretty scary.
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  Now here's something that a lot of people don't know,
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  and this is actually confirmed, and this is left out
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  of a lot of stories because it's hard. It starts
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  to make things make more sense. So why would these
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  experienced hikers cut themselves out and leave the provisions and
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  things behind in the tent. I'll tell you why. Because
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  they had more provisions and more things stored in the
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  world woods. So they were looking at everything as a
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  lost cause in the tent as it was covered cut
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  themselves out. They went to go get the stuff in
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  the woods. They started running to get that stuff in
• 25:13
  the woods. They were barefoot and barely or in socks.
• 25:19
  Here's the thing that it's kind of interesting about this here.
• 25:25
  So you had a small group that went to try
• 25:31
  to go make a fire. Like the whole group they're
• 25:33
  trying to go make the fire. Well, the stuff on
• 25:36
  the ground isn't gonna burn. It's really wet. They're climbing
• 25:42
  trees to go get the dry stuff, cutting it down,
• 25:46
  picking it up, bringing it to try to burn it.
• 25:50
  But it's thirty fucking below. Two people already die of
• 25:54
  hypothermia right fucking there. They're gonna die. The guy who
• 25:59
  burned himself so fucking cold, he was putting himself into
• 26:02
  the fire to try to warm up. That's why his
• 26:05
  body burned up. You get to a point where you're
• 26:10
  so cold and you can't feel anything anymore, and people
• 26:15
  start to like, there's a test that some people do.
• 26:18
  They go, why did this? Why was his hand bit?
• 26:20
  He bit his hand? Can I even feel my hand anymore?
• 26:24
  I'm gonna test, like and he bit it. They put
• 26:28
  themselves in the fire because they're so fucking cold they
• 26:32
  can't handle it anymore. You know, it's really hard to
• 26:35
  envision negative thirty degrees, like when you think about it, like,
• 26:39
  that's really cold. That's I'm gonna spit and it's gonna
• 26:42
  freeze before it touches the ground. I have like nothing
• 26:44
  on it. So how did they get the other people's
• 26:46
  clothes on? Well, guess what. Two of them died and
• 26:50
  they're freezing. They don't have the other provisions yet. They
• 26:54
  stole this clothes off the dead people's bodies to try
• 26:57
  to stay warm. That's why they're wearing each other's clothes
• 27:01
  because they were freaking cold. So they cut that off
• 27:05
  and they scavenge it trying to stay warm. But three
• 27:11
  more rush off during this time to try to Like
• 27:15
  there was an idea that they could make a snow shelter.
• 27:18
  That was the next thought that these experienced hikers would
• 27:21
  have is like, we're doomed. Our tents are covered, we're
• 27:25
  trying to make a fire, it's not working. We've got
• 27:27
  to make some sort of snow shelter to get ourselves
• 27:31
  back and warm. And so that the remaining ones that
• 27:36
  were that had actually tried to stay alive and they're
• 27:40
  wearing the other clothes, they go to build a snow shelter.
• 27:46
  But what happens is while they're there, they don't realize
• 27:51
  there's this stream above and it had fifteen feet worth
• 27:55
  of snow, like in this stream as it's cutting it,
• 27:58
  they built this snow shelter. So they're already under a
• 28:00
  bunch of snow. This stream's cutting away at all this
• 28:03
  other snow that's by them, and that stream dumped fifteen
• 28:11
  to twenty feet worth of snow at twenty pounds per
• 28:15
  cubic feet, basically fifty tons. Fifty tons worth of snow
• 28:24
  landed on them, crushing them. Why nothing was done to
• 28:28
  the skin.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: And it looked like a tank ran them over, flattening them,
• 28:34
  taking their their bones and sticking it through organs, but
• 28:38
  doing nothing to the skin.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So everybody goes, why the fuck did nobody realized this
• 28:44
  when they showed up, Because ten and thirty days later,
• 28:47
  because these bodies that were in the snow shelter were
• 28:49
  found later that I think you said all were found
• 28:52
  in ten days. I think some were found in ten
• 28:55
  days and others were found twenty days out after that.
• 29:01
  And that was the people in the snow shelter that
• 29:03
  were buried under twenty feet worth of snow, and they
• 29:09
  were the crushed ones. Now, where does the radiation come from?
• 29:13
  We talked about the severe injuries, what about missing eyes?
• 29:16
  What about the tonguel, well, the ones that were by
• 29:19
  the fire that were exposed when they were found flesh
• 29:23
  in the tree, tongue, missing eyes, missing. They do believe
• 29:29
  their theory is that animals got to those, Okay, So
• 29:32
  that can be debated. The radiation. What nobody talks about
• 29:39
  is that the lanterns they used gave off a lot
• 29:42
  of radiation, and if those lanterns were by those bodies,
• 29:47
  it would end up, especially for extended periods of time,
• 29:51
  caused that radiation poisoning and the levels of radiation. The
• 29:58
  lanterns that they used were radioactive lanterns back then. It
• 30:03
  gave off radiation. That is a fact. So we have
• 30:08
  animals eating eyes and tongues, radiation coming from the lanterns,
• 30:13
  one hundred thousand pounds landing on top of these people
• 30:19
  in the snow shelter, all causing varying degrees of craziness
• 30:27
  across three different areas, which I think is fascinating within
• 30:33
  itself and genius the people thought of this. Give me
• 30:38
  your thoughts after I've dropped the bombshell.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, Bryan, coming in with the heat.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Or the cold, the snow, I'm coming with the snow
• 30:54
  on this one brought the blizzard, I brought the howling winds.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: All right, I just call you Elsa. Okay, m hmm,
• 31:03
  let's see explain.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: The girl with gray hair, that was the one thing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: You know. I'm wondering if that could be a combination.
• 31:18
  And this is me pulling this straight from my ass.
• 31:24
  If what is it? What if it's a combination of
• 31:27
  you know, what would happen to you if you're basically
• 31:30
  freeze dried and radiate and head radiation the same time.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: The orange skin.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't know. Maybe that stuff is with that.
• 31:41
  I didn't find any explanation. I didn't even know about that,
• 31:44
  so I don't I don't know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Because one of the pictures I saw, one of the
• 31:48
  girls looked like a skeleton.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Oh you saw pictures?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmm, like she looked like a skeleton when they
• 31:59
  found her, Like literally, I wonder if I can find
• 32:03
  the picture. I mean, I don't know how you the
• 32:06
  one with the gray hair looked like a skeleton. It
• 32:10
  looked like something from like Poltergeist, like Beetlejuice, like a
• 32:16
  skeleton lady with gray hair, just.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Nice and nasty and yeah, uncha and everything else. Okay, Yeah,
• 32:28
  I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's
• 32:33
  I mean, are we sure that's a picture from that?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Let me see if it was. I saw it on
• 32:39
  a documentary, okay, And I'm trying to google it right
• 32:43
  now and see if I can.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Find I mean, I think, all in all, this is
• 32:49
  an extremely interesting story, whether you subscribe to my idea
• 32:56
  or any of the other theories. I was fascinated. I
• 33:00
  remember hearing this for the first time like ten years ago,
• 33:05
  and to me, it was always one of the most
• 33:08
  fascinating incidents out there because it's just so cryptic and
• 33:15
  leaves a lot to the imagination. And it leaves a
• 33:18
  lot too. You know, people, do.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: You when you first heard this story, did you think
• 33:25
  it was something paranormal?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that was my that was my thought process
• 33:33
  at that time. But I always like to say, you know,
• 33:40
  I personally don't like to get married to ideas. Regardless,
• 33:44
  I do like to say when evidence presents itself, I
• 33:49
  found it. Okay, you found this picture. You found the documentary.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Jesus see, that's what I'm talking about, Brian.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Are we sure what the hell is that?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Hang on, Oh my god, you should put that picture
• 34:11
  up on this I will, because.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. It's like some of this stuff,
• 34:19
  it could be a hybrid of what you're talking about
• 34:22
  and what I'm talking about, because, like, let's say, the
• 34:26
  reason there was no slab avalanche. Let's just roll that
• 34:30
  out right now, because I don't even think with them
• 34:33
  being as experienced as they were, that they had never
• 34:36
  seen a slab avalanche before, okay, that they would have
• 34:41
  to slice themselves in their skivvies and run out of
• 34:43
  their tents. They couldn't just unzip the fucker and just
• 34:47
  like formulate a plan before they got out of their tent, like, hey, guys,
• 34:53
  we've encountered a slab avalanche. Let's get our thoughts.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't know what they had to have happened to them.
• 35:00
  They just know that they were just covered in snow,
• 35:02
  you know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Even still, I feel like with their experience, they'd be like,
• 35:06
  all right, we're in a crisis situation. Let's pull ranks
• 35:11
  so we all survived this shit and formulate a plan
• 35:14
  so we don't all freeze the death, not just take
• 35:17
  knives and start slicing out of their tents. What if
• 35:20
  they saw, okay, you'll have like so if we're gonna
• 35:26
  go government issued direct energy weapon. They saw the things
• 35:33
  in the sky and knew what the fuck they were
• 35:35
  because of their involvement in the government, and they were like,
• 35:39
  they're about to fucking take us all out, let's get
• 35:42
  the fuck out of here, slicing dice. They're out of
• 35:45
  the tent, they're running down and then what you said happened.
• 35:48
  Some of them make it to the forest, some of
• 35:50
  them don't. Some of them get blasted by the direct
• 35:53
  energy weapon. A couple of them are left behind. They
• 35:56
  didn't get blasted, but now they're dying of hypothermia. Animals
• 36:00
  come along later clean up some of the mess. But
• 36:03
  one girl definitely got blasted. Her hair turns gray, skin
• 36:06
  melts off, she's a skeleton. A couple of the other
• 36:09
  ones snowfalls on them. They get crushed. A couple other
• 36:13
  ones they just dive hypothermia. Animals come along, eat the flesh,
• 36:17
  pick the eyes, get the tongue. So we have various
• 36:20
  degrees of like them trying to escape the direct energy weapon.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, am I supposed to be trying to prove
• 36:30
  this wrong?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Or like Noah, I mean, you're what do you think
• 36:34
  about that? Do you think it's possible? Do you think
• 36:36
  I'm do I have a case?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a case that. To me,
• 36:42
  what I would want to see is one what this
• 36:46
  weapon would be, two that it exists, or that we
• 36:49
  know of something like that that exists in another incident
• 36:53
  that is documented somewhere. That's the kind of stuff that
• 36:57
  would help prove that case to me.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So a direct energy weapon would be like some people
• 37:05
  think that what happened to the Georgia guidestones was a
• 37:08
  direct energy weapon.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that story.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: So basically, the Georgia guidestones were like put in play.
• 37:18
  It was like a stone hinge monument, okay, And it
• 37:22
  was like one of our national monuments that you could
• 37:24
  go to Georgia, Georgia, and they got knocked over and
• 37:31
  cracked and the it's like the stoneheade thing, Like something
• 37:35
  massive would have had to have happened to break these
• 37:39
  stones or move these stones or anything happened to the stones.
• 37:43
  And a lot of people were saying, like direct energy weapon,
• 37:46
  like something that could just massively so it would be
• 37:49
  like you don't even see anything, or it's like you said,
• 37:52
  like a massive blast and it just blasts you and
• 37:56
  it just it just like radiates you. And so that's
• 38:00
  that's my theory, Okay.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I mean the thing is I can't prove something didn't happen,
• 38:11
  you know what I mean, Like I can't prove that,
• 38:13
  so I don't try to do it. I never try
• 38:14
  to prove a negative, So I'm not gonna argue with
• 38:17
  somebody else's theory if that's what they want to subscribe to.
• 38:22
  I wrote this down because it made the most sense
• 38:27
  to me.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I think it makes the most sense. Except for the
• 38:31
  girl with the gray hair and a skeleton face.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know about it. Do you have.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Any Have you ever heard of hypothermia or being left
• 38:42
  out in the cold that long that your skin just
• 38:44
  melts off your face? Have you ever heard anything like that?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: No?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: No, I'm asking seriously because.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm laughing because you're like, it's where the skin
• 38:56
  melts off your face? Well, no, I have not seen
• 39:00
  anybody get so damn cold. I'll freezing over here. Oh
• 39:05
  I can tell your face smelting your face is uh yeah,
• 39:13
  your jaws on the ground, Yeah, I can tell your.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So I have to say, though, I think your idea
• 39:20
  of like the three separate things going on makes more
• 39:26
  sense than them just getting blasted at.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Once, because they're dying at different times and.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Dying at different times. Because it is proven that some
• 39:37
  of them had the other one's clothes on. Yeah, so
• 39:41
  they had to have time to do that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you heard my part of that explanation. What
• 39:48
  I thought that was where you go ahead, some of
• 39:50
  them dying and they're freezing, so they're grabbing, they're cutting
• 39:53
  the clothes off, the rutting the.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Clothes off to put them on themselves.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And see what I'm thinking.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: To is you can negative thirties, no joke.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, but Brian, you think about that. You think
• 40:07
  about that. Your feet are bare. You're losing your feet.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: First, You're losing feeling in everything.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: You can't walk, you can't walk, you can't keep your
• 40:19
  blood circulating because your feet are fucked. They're gone.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's gonna be because the body, the body
• 40:28
  to conserve heat, pulls the blood from the extremities. That's
• 40:32
  why your fingers or yeah to the organs trying to
• 40:35
  keep you alive. So I mean, you there, you are
• 40:40
  screwed at that point. Do you think.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Those lamps put off enough radiation to like cause them.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: You know, And that's a good that's a good question too.
• 40:50
  I did think about that where I'm like, I do
• 40:53
  know that those lamps are radioactive, and that is left
• 40:56
  out a lot of times, you know, I think need
• 41:00
  to be brought up. But the level of radiation, I
• 41:05
  don't know, you know, like I feel like people that
• 41:09
  were using those lamps during that time where people getting
• 41:12
  sick and not knowing why because they didn't know that
• 41:15
  radiation was that bad for you.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about like in one night. Could it
• 41:21
  have caused the amount of radiation that these people had,
• 41:26
  like to the point where they had to be buried
• 41:28
  in zinc coffins?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know the thing is, I don't know
• 41:32
  if the zinc coffin for sealing purposes was like normally
• 41:38
  to shield radiation, you put lead, you know, which is
• 41:41
  really heavy, and you put lead around to seal radiation.
• 41:47
  I don't know if zinc works or not. I know
• 41:50
  you said that you had read that zinc is used
• 41:54
  to seal, But you know, you think about the state
• 41:57
  of those bodies, like even no matter how they they were,
• 42:00
  if animals got a hold of them, plus they were frozen,
• 42:03
  plus they were crushed, plus they bit themselves, and I mean,
• 42:08
  I'm sure that nobody wanted to see those bodies like
• 42:13
  open coffin type situation. So I don't know if that's
• 42:16
  why that was done that way, I can definitely see,
• 42:20
  you know, and if they didn't, if they couldn't figure
• 42:22
  out at that time, how these bodies got crushed, how
• 42:27
  these things. You know, governments, especially communist ones have egos
• 42:32
  just like anybody else. Nobody wants to go to a
• 42:35
  microphone and pretend like we don't know what happened. We don't,
• 42:39
  So I can totally see them one doctor being like,
• 42:41
  they didn't just die of hypothermia. Let's get real. This
• 42:45
  guy's freaking rib cage bone is stuck through his heart. Okay,
• 42:50
  that's not hypothermia. This person's missing a tongue and eyes.
• 42:54
  I don't think the hypothermia did it, you know what
• 42:58
  I mean?
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: Like that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Lattly, like you guys, you can't just say hypothermi, all right,
• 43:03
  which is like what they're trying to get away with.
• 43:06
  So that's good, and these families are not gonna just
• 43:09
  live with no excuse. Come on, it's hard enough to
• 43:11
  get closure when you do know what's happened, and it's
• 43:14
  hard to come to grips for people when you do
• 43:17
  know what's happened to your love. Imagine hearing the government say, well,
• 43:22
  we've done a seventy two day investigation and it was hypothermia.
• 43:27
  But and you're like, motherfucker bullshit.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean instantly.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You're jumping to every conclusion. That's just human nature. That's
• 43:40
  what you're gonna do. You're gonna be like, oh, no,
• 43:42
  I know what's up. The government did this, The government's involved.
• 43:47
  I know that they had KGB backgrounds, and I mean
• 43:50
  I can tell. I mean that's legit documented. So when
• 43:54
  you see people go to that level and the governments
• 43:58
  are so secretive actually like a KGB and the Russians,
• 44:02
  and they don't feel like they have to give you
• 44:03
  answers on anything, those families were probably like a big
• 44:08
  majority of one spreading type, those types of rumors, trying
• 44:13
  to come up with their own closure.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: But can we both agree it wasn't no type of
• 44:18
  a yeddi.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going with the yeddi. But I wanted
• 44:23
  to bring it up because if you do look it up,
• 44:25
  and some of the people there and some people may
• 44:27
  believe it was yeddie, But if you look up this incident,
• 44:31
  you can actually find a picture. Maybe you could even
• 44:35
  you could probably find it when you Google and put
• 44:37
  it on the Instagram. You'll see it, and it's like
• 44:40
  one of those pictures where you're like, somebody could have said,
• 44:44
  you know, a troll was living in the area, or
• 44:46
  somebody could have said, like a gnome that baked cookies
• 44:49
  was living in the area, and somebody somebody'd be like,
• 44:53
  that is the home that makes the cookies. And it's
• 44:55
  just this shadow outline, you know, so you can make
• 44:58
  it whatever you want, but it does look suspect. I'm
• 45:02
  not gonna lie. It's like back in the woods and
• 45:04
  it's just this little shadow that looks like it's got
• 45:07
  two arms and legs looking at you. But I mean,
• 45:10
  it's not like some up close ape is you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Know, not definitive what I want to do, because I
• 45:23
  think a lot of the problem is when people talk
• 45:25
  about scenarios like this, it's all hypothetical, so they're thinking like, well,
• 45:32
  it could have possibly, and then they like say this
• 45:34
  whole big story. But I always think of it as
• 45:39
  if I'm the hiker, what would I do if a
• 45:46
  slab avalanche came down?
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: And I don't even know if I want to know
• 45:53
  what you do? All right, so I'm minute would you do?
• 46:01
  What would you do?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: In my underwear?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It's negative thirty out there, like I'm still sleeping in
• 46:09
  my god damn under my lady alone.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I'm staying in my sleeping bag.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if all that snow was on top of
• 46:20
  the tenant might be like pushing down on you, it
• 46:22
  could have been scary. That might have been why they
• 46:24
  would they cut.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Then to let the snow win.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Because they're trying to get out. They don't know. Why
• 46:30
  would they.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Cut the top of the tent off and then go
• 46:34
  up like that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Because they're scared, But we don't even know cut it
• 46:41
  open there. It's like it's like the snow's giving birth
• 46:46
  to them. They pull, they put their arms up, they
• 46:48
  push it out the way, and they they get out
• 46:52
  into exactly where they want to be. Sixty mile per
• 46:55
  hour howling winds, negative thirty degree temperatures, and they're wearing
• 46:59
  a tee shirt.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Well, did you know what I'm just gonna ask you
• 47:05
  straight up? You said, because the slab avalanche is not
• 47:08
  as big as the ones that we picture in like movies.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're thinking only a couple feet of snow
• 47:13
  would have gone over the whole thing. But my whole
• 47:15
  argument to that was they you know, if you're in
• 47:18
  the tent. You don't know how much snow's up there.
• 47:20
  You don't know shit, You're just like, holy crap, like
• 47:22
  a whole ton of is your snow covered?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: But is your first thought to cut the side of
• 47:28
  the tent or is your first thought to maybe unzip
• 47:30
  the top of the tent where it's then zippered, and
• 47:33
  then maybe poke your head out and be like, let's
• 47:35
  see how deep the snow is where I start cutting
• 47:37
  my only place to live.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, I honestly don't know. I mean,
• 47:43
  to me, that is very confusing, Like I don't know
• 47:47
  what it was like in the tent, if the tent
• 47:49
  was able to hold up any of that weight, or
• 47:52
  if when that snow came on top of it, it
• 47:54
  actually pushed the tent down on top of them, so
• 47:57
  they had no direction, They didn't know where they were, like,
• 48:01
  you know what I mean, Like the poles were not
• 48:03
  strong enough to hold that up, so that tent just
• 48:05
  basically came down on top of them like a sheet. Now,
• 48:08
  all of a sudden, you're kind of in panic mode.
• 48:10
  You've got pressure on top of you and and you
• 48:14
  know that there's weight there and you can't really see left,
• 48:17
  right side nor center, So you don't know what to get.
• 48:22
  You've cut it open there and you just go straight
• 48:25
  up because you're not grabbing anything because you don't know
• 48:27
  where anything is.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, but let's debate. Let's debate right now. Let's take
• 48:32
  a look at the situation.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: The tent was found complete, the structure was completely intact,
• 48:43
  standing up, and the only damage to the tent was
• 48:48
  from the knife pairs from inside.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That's a good Okay, that's a good point. No, that's
• 48:52
  a good point. You're looking at the admap. Sure, I'm
• 48:55
  not gonna fuck with that. That's a good that's a
• 48:57
  great point. That's a great point. So I was trying
• 49:00
  to think outside the box on them.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: If they were buried alive almost in their tent.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's laying on top of You're like,
• 49:08
  I gotta get the hell out of here. But it was,
• 49:11
  it wasn't, and that's so that's a great point. So
• 49:13
  if you had time to look left, right, center, look
• 49:16
  at your buddies, you could be like, let's devise some
• 49:23
  enough stuff, get just to where the other provisions and
• 49:28
  the other things are at. But let's make sure we're
• 49:32
  warm enough because where we're at now, we don't know
• 49:35
  how much snow is on top of this, if more
• 49:37
  is gonna come, if whatever. Obviously you can't unzip the
• 49:40
  tent where the normal spot is because there's more snow there.
• 49:43
  You might be in too deep. I could see then
• 49:45
  you cut it open. I don't understand the logic behind
• 49:49
  not putting your boots on. I don't understand the logic,
• 49:52
  especially with the snow and how cold it was, I
• 50:00
  don't understand.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it either.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And unless they were pure unadulterated panic.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Mode, and what could cause that? Two very experienced hikers,
• 50:13
  what could cause fight or flight? And obviously they they
• 50:16
  were flighting and not fighting, you're gonna.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Say, government, I can't confirm that.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, this ship, Brian, Okay, all right? Alien popped
• 50:36
  up in the tent.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: YEA, god damn it.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking if it was me, I'm cutting myself.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, an alien, Some fucking bitch ass
• 50:57
  alien pops up in my fucking uh. I'm cutting out
• 51:01
  that bitch too, right. I don't care. I'm gonna take
• 51:04
  my chances, because you know, those motherfuckers are gonna do
• 51:08
  some crazy ass ship to you. Worse than that. I
• 51:13
  saw a fight.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: All jokes aside. You wake up in the middle of
• 51:18
  the night and you're in the fucking Arctic. You're in
• 51:22
  your sleeping bag. You look up and e T is
• 51:27
  standing right there.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, what are you gonna do.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to go in fight or flight mode. You're
• 51:35
  going to jump like slides out of your tent. Maybe
• 51:39
  they grabbed the dives to defend themselves.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: One up.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Why are these aliens? First of all, they're like looking down,
• 51:55
  They're like, hey, look there, horrible snowstorm, one hundred mile
• 52:01
  per hour winds. Hey hate billy, Go take your big
• 52:06
  ass head and your big ass eyes and your naked body.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: And head.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I'm down and I'm down into that tent. Yeah. Sure,
• 52:23
  Hawaii's a five second flight away. But let's fuck with
• 52:30
  these twenty three year old Russian kids for a minute.
• 52:36
  Come on, click, get down there. We gotta get to
• 52:39
  Hanal probes ready, Come on, you know you aliens ain't shit.
• 52:49
  Let's ask the real questions. If you're an alien, you're
• 52:53
  going to go get some cows and do all that
• 52:55
  other stuff on some farm land. You are not going
• 52:57
  to no jot Love Pass. But that's the thing.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: This mountain is known for UFO activity. It could have
• 53:06
  just been their their nightly routine to pass by. And
• 53:10
  then they were like, you know what, I know, we're
• 53:13
  doing our nightly rounds. We're about to head over the
• 53:15
  Yachtla Pass. But I'm starting to feel a little hungry day. Look,
• 53:22
  there is a tent full of people. Let's enjoy ourselves.
• 53:28
  A little scared, but no, Brian, this area is known
• 53:35
  for UFO activity. That's why the people, the locals and
• 53:41
  the people who went on the search party to find
• 53:44
  the bodies both said, yes, there were orbs in the sky.
• 53:48
  Yes they were orange and glowing.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And then like the local people are like, oh, it's
• 53:55
  just a normal regular occurrence for us. We see fiery
• 53:59
  sphere in the sky all the time. The thunderstorm doesn't
• 54:04
  have nothing to do with It. Could be a completely
• 54:05
  clear night and.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: They round lightning, lightning. I think that's what that is.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: But even if there's no storm, yeah yeah, so you're
• 54:17
  going you're one hundred percent that this couldn't have been it.
• 54:20
  And because the only thing that could make me forget
• 54:23
  all basic human instinct is an alien showing up in
• 54:26
  my tenth.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I get it, but you know they what do you describe?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: The avalanche was like that scene in Mulan where she
• 54:39
  takes the thing and she shoots that side of the
• 54:41
  mountain and it just buries everybody, and she's like pulling
• 54:45
  people up from the snow by their hair and it's
• 54:47
  just like little heads popping up out of the snow.
• 54:49
  That's what I was imagining. But looking at the picture
• 54:53
  of the tent, it was completely unscathed other than the
• 54:57
  fact that it had been torn from the inside.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a lot of snow on.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: That and would make them panic like that that little
• 55:09
  bit of snow.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew how much snow it was,
• 55:16
  and they might have thought, if this amount hit us,
• 55:21
  more's on the way. We've got to move.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: To the point where they'd cut themselves out of the
• 55:28
  tent with no shoes on. Brian, think about if it
• 55:34
  were you that.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's all crazy. Okay, I'm not saying that
• 55:40
  it's not crazy, But we are also looking at this
• 55:42
  from hindsight twenty twenty, like we know they died, we
• 55:46
  know they fucked up, We know that they didn't make it.
• 55:49
  And now we're going to say, well, we know that
• 55:51
  didn't work. But in the moment, you know, they were
• 55:59
  swinging for the fence, as I guessed, they were trying
• 56:02
  to hit the home run ball.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should have bun Brian, if you looked around
• 56:07
  you right now, sitting in your kitchen and you saw
• 56:10
  an alien, are you gonna run out of the house
• 56:15
  or are you gonna be like, let me get my shoes,
• 56:19
  let me. No, you're not. You're gonna be fighting, not fighting,
• 56:22
  unless you want to fight an alien, which I don't recommend,
• 56:26
  you are gonna freak the fuck out. These were experienced higers.
• 56:30
  They had been to the area several other times. They
• 56:33
  would have experienced controversy and known basic survival instincts.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Well, they did do. Everything that they did do is
• 56:46
  kind of by the books. And that was the joke.
• 56:48
  When they built the snowshlter, that was one hundred percent
• 56:51
  by the books. And it's funny. If they would have
• 56:54
  done the wrong thing, they probably would have lived.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: If they would not have built in the Yeah.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was like by the book what you
• 57:03
  should do in that situation.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: And then okay, now you're you're fucking me up because
• 57:08
  if I see an alien, yeah, okay, so stopping until
• 57:14
  I see trees.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So these people that just saw the alien and the
• 57:18
  tent run. They sprint as fast as they can and say,
• 57:24
  all right, we're twenty feet away from the tent. Quick,
• 57:27
  build a fire. The alien will never get us.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Now, you're right, this is why it's so mysterious.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I know. And then the one guy, I'm just gonna
• 57:40
  throw myself in the fire now that there's aliens around
• 57:43
  and bite my hand.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The two problems I have is the lanterns not being
• 57:53
  radioactive enough to cause the level of radiation.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: They have well, and I don't know. I don't know
• 57:58
  if it is.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: We can't confirm or deny. And then let's just say
• 58:02
  it was enough with those lanterns going on all night
• 58:07
  or however long until the bodies were found, they were
• 58:09
  around these lanterns and that's what caused like the radioactive overload.
• 58:14
  The lady who had the melted face with the gray
• 58:18
  hair is really fucking me up right now.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't know anything about I don't know anything
• 58:27
  about that lady.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's he looked like a twenty seven
• 58:32
  year old to you from that photo, he keell it
• 58:37
  a skeleton brino.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: That looked like something from a movie. To me, I
• 58:42
  don't know, that's I've never I've never seen that picture,
• 58:46
  so I don't know. I mean, that was freaky. That
• 58:49
  picture's freaky. So if that was actually part of the thing,
• 58:53
  you know, I don't know. I don't know anything about that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Your best conspiracy theory, just entertain me. Okay, what do
• 59:02
  you think the relationship is with them being involved in
• 59:05
  the KGB.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I know that's confirmed, Like it's confirmed.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: But do you think it had anything to do with
• 59:13
  what happened?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the sense that I do think that that's
• 59:18
  why the government didn't want a lot of the information
• 59:20
  getting out, And it may not have had anything to
• 59:23
  do with that specific incident that happened to them more
• 59:25
  than like their actual involvement with projects that were going on,
• 59:31
  things that they were trying to get involved with. I
• 59:33
  do I can't remember. I do know that one of
• 59:36
  the people was like a big part of trying to
• 59:39
  it money had something to do with extracting information from
• 59:42
  the CIA or something like that, So they probably didn't
• 59:45
  want some of that information getting out or the backgrounds
• 59:51
  of some of these people. So if you want to
• 59:54
  talk conspiracy theories on that level, I mean I would
• 59:59
  buy that, you know, like I don't. I don't think people,
• 1:00:04
  especially those governments at that time. You're looking at Cold
• 1:00:07
  War type shit, and if it had to do between
• 1:00:11
  the United States and Russia. I mean, people have a
• 1:00:18
  hard enough time trusting any government these days, which I
• 1:00:21
  actually really don't blame them for that. I don't blame
• 1:00:24
  anybody for that. I don't think people get a good
• 1:00:27
  explanation for much, you know, and I think back then
• 1:00:32
  people were more trusting of their governments. But that particular incident,
• 1:00:37
  I mean, how vague they were with everything they said,
• 1:00:40
  and they released just about no information, and I don't,
• 1:00:46
  you know, I'd have to dig really deep to try
• 1:00:48
  to find out any information between what the information that
• 1:00:51
  the families got from them. I don't know much on
• 1:00:57
  that level, but I would say that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: You and you don't think that our government. It's been
• 1:01:05
  documented that the Nazis were working on like type UFO
• 1:01:13
  type crafts and that they were okay, So there's nothing
• 1:01:18
  in your mind that thinks maybe the Russian government had
• 1:01:21
  some back engineered bullshit, some kind of a spacecraft and
• 1:01:26
  they were testing weapons out in the middle of nowhere,
• 1:01:28
  and they were like, oh my god, look look what happened.
• 1:01:33
  Lucky for us, we can test these direct energy weapons
• 1:01:36
  out on these people.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why you would do
• 1:01:42
  it on those specific people who.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Were they knew, like the KGB knew that they were
• 1:01:51
  going out there, like, hey, just want to let you know,
• 1:01:53
  I'm going hiking with my buddies next weekend.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: No, I think they did actually know. I mean the
• 1:01:58
  last person, let me see who the left.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I think his name was Alexander, the older one, right,
• 1:02:07
  the thirty seven year old.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the last Alexander. Yeah. So I mean
• 1:02:13
  I don't know. I mean, you're you're bringing up things
• 1:02:16
  that are out of my realm of of understanding, Like like.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just posing the question to you if he if
• 1:02:25
  they the KGB knew he was going out of town
• 1:02:28
  to do this hike, and they were he was like
• 1:02:30
  one of the ones. They were like we really, uh,
• 1:02:35
  we got to get rid of this guy. You know,
• 1:02:38
  we got to get rid of this guy. We've got
• 1:02:39
  some stuff we need to test out. Anyways, let's go
• 1:02:43
  and the rest of them were just like collateral damage.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: If there is, you know, when it comes to things
• 1:02:51
  like that. And I know that there's always been cover
• 1:02:55
  ups and and but I have this rule of thumb
• 1:03:01
  that anytime more than like two or three people know something,
• 1:03:05
  I almost think a village knows. So when information doesn't
• 1:03:09
  leak out, it bothers me. So if you have, like
• 1:03:14
  you know, that's some of my problems with with certain
• 1:03:19
  conspiracy theories is that if five people knew this thing,
• 1:03:23
  hundreds know it, then thousands know and then basically everybody
• 1:03:28
  knows it because people can't keep their mouths shut, you know,
• 1:03:31
  so the truth would eventually get out, you know.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: And I think, Okay, I see where you're going.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if that happened to somebody, I think something would
• 1:03:46
  have leaked out by now, somebody would have had some
• 1:03:49
  kind of inkling about it, like we'd know something. There'd
• 1:03:53
  be that. So that's my feeling about that. I mean,
• 1:03:57
  I can't fully debunk it. It's just a feeling.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: If we take aside the gray haired lady with the
• 1:04:04
  skeleton face, your theory fits perfectly.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I agree, I do like theory, but it's not
• 1:04:12
  my theory. It's just one of theories and the one
• 1:04:14
  I subscribed to because it made so much sense to me,
• 1:04:18
  and it did do it. Yeah, it makes likelining some
• 1:04:22
  of the weirder stuff.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: The tongue in the eyes was the animal, Yeah, swapping
• 1:04:28
  of clothes. Yeah, the snow falling on them, that was
• 1:04:32
  like tons and tons and tons and tons crushed them.
• 1:04:37
  Some of them were trying to get back to the
• 1:04:38
  forest to seek refuge. Some of them were found in
• 1:04:42
  the forest by the.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Way, Okay, Yeah, probably trying to get.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: By the time they got there, they were already fucked off.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Like they were gone. They were gone. Yeah, And you've
• 1:04:55
  got to think that a certain level of panic does
• 1:04:58
  ensue when you're that cold.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's definitely something I would be thinking about. I mean,
• 1:05:08
  when I go outside to shovel a driveway and at
• 1:05:10
  zero degrees, I'm like, fuck this shit, and I'm fully
• 1:05:14
  bundled up, I've got like gloves, hat, the whole nines
• 1:05:20
  and I'm still cold. It's hard to move. It's like
• 1:05:23
  the whole world seems different when it's that cold. It's
• 1:05:27
  just a different world. Your breath seems to freeze. I mean,
• 1:05:33
  if any any exposed skin at that temperature, and I
• 1:05:37
  don't know if that's including wind chill. I mean, if
• 1:05:39
  the wind's howling like that and it's that cold. Geez man.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because it did say that they had
• 1:05:47
  to take shelter because it was the weather was so bad. Whoa,
• 1:05:54
  that's why they set up their tent right there? Call
• 1:05:58
  it at night? Because yeah, have they made a movie
• 1:06:03
  about this yet?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know. It's a good question. I don't
• 1:06:10
  think so.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: It'd be a hell of a movie.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Somebody probably has. There's one that says yachtlif Pass movie
• 1:06:19
  on Netflix from twenty twenty one. Oh, maybe that's a documentary.
• 1:06:24
  Let me see. There's another one called Devil's Pass doatlif
• 1:06:28
  Pass movie from twenty thirteen. So it's called Devil's Pass.
• 1:06:37
  I don't know, you know, and it's Russian.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Oh that would make sense. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They say it's a horror movie too.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Well, it's horrible what happened.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Forty eight percent on Rotten Tomatoes. That might mean it's good.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I think it would be a hell of a movie,
• 1:06:58
  and I would love to see what whoever directed it,
• 1:07:02
  what they claim happens to the people like what they.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Rennie Harland directed at twentieth Century Studios Anchor Bay Entertainment.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I bet he says the alien popped up in the tent.
• 1:07:20
  I know you think that's hilarious, But I think UFOs
• 1:07:23
  and aliens are real.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: If you ask me my opinion on that, I do too,
• 1:07:33
  But I don't know to the level of like Hollywood style.
• 1:07:38
  I mean, I definitely, I think anybody who doesn't believe
• 1:07:42
  in this universe there's other living beings like we didn't
• 1:07:47
  really know until recently, we couldn't confirm that there were
• 1:07:50
  other planets outside our solar system like we did and
• 1:07:54
  never known about. Now you see them everywhere, and there's
• 1:07:59
  actually a belief or not a belief they think they've
• 1:08:02
  scientifically proven. And this was very interesting to me that
• 1:08:06
  they think they've scientifically proven that there are more planets
• 1:08:12
  out there right now and all within all the universe.
• 1:08:16
  Then there are seconds that have existed since the universe began.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: How the fuck did they come to that conclusion.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: So if you think about how many seconds there's been
• 1:08:29
  since the fourteen billion years in the existence of this
• 1:08:34
  since the Big Bang or whatever they think it is,
• 1:08:39
  there's that many more planets. If you're thinking this is
• 1:08:43
  the only one with life on it, your bravery, even
• 1:08:49
  if it was on half a percent or a quarter
• 1:08:52
  of a percent, we're looking at life on thousands and
• 1:08:57
  millions of worlds. So and that's not just life, I
• 1:09:02
  would have to say in our even if a quarter
• 1:09:04
  of percent of those were intelligent or what we would
• 1:09:07
  consider intelligent life, there's thousands upon millions of those.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I've heard so many theories, Brian, and like, some of
• 1:09:16
  them are like it would be just like on Earth.
• 1:09:19
  Some of them are evil, some of them have not
• 1:09:22
  the best intentions towards us. Some of them are totally benevolent.
• 1:09:25
  They're just passing through. And you know, I do sometimes
• 1:09:32
  think maybe the negative ones. People have had negative experiences.
• 1:09:38
  Some people have had positive experiences. If you watch fire
• 1:09:41
  in the sky, you would know what I'm talking about.
• 1:09:44
  Not everybody has just like oh it was great, and
• 1:09:47
  like sometimes it's not a positive experience.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And with firing the sky, I think the one
• 1:09:53
  thing that's always interested me about that story, and you
• 1:09:57
  do believe it, will say this, this is what I
• 1:10:01
  will say to that. I know that the people that
• 1:10:08
  experience that, I know that they believe it. I know
• 1:10:13
  that they believe that is real. I think I don't
• 1:10:18
  think they're lying. I do not think that they're coming
• 1:10:20
  out and saying you know, when you watch the interviews,
• 1:10:23
  when you you can just tell when when the way
• 1:10:27
  people present themselves sometimes are they are they out seeking attention?
• 1:10:32
  Like they straight up when they talk about that, you
• 1:10:34
  can almost sense the trauma. Yeah, Like you can sense
• 1:10:42
  that how traumatic that was for them. So I know
• 1:10:48
  that he believes that definitely happened to him. It's a
• 1:10:53
  very convincing case to me.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: And it would be like, oh, they're making it up
• 1:11:00
  for what they were like cutting trees in the middle
• 1:11:04
  of the you know what I mean, Like for what
• 1:11:06
  are they making this up? You know, they were like
• 1:11:09
  manly men, like.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Some people make up stories for attention. But you know,
• 1:11:13
  like and I know that our guts lie to us
• 1:11:16
  sometimes and we're not always the best and in character,
• 1:11:21
  and there's and others that they want to believe these
• 1:11:24
  things so bad that they'll just believe anything. But you know,
• 1:11:28
  with that particular case, like it is very convincing. I
• 1:11:33
  will say that that is one of the most convincing. Ah,
• 1:11:37
  I guess you would call that an abduction star The
• 1:11:41
  fourth kind and a true story. You know, I definitely
• 1:11:48
  believe that they are telling the truth. Let's put it
• 1:11:54
  that way, that they believe it happened to them and
• 1:11:58
  what it is such a crazy story. I remember watching
• 1:12:02
  that movie too, just being like in awe that when
• 1:12:05
  it came out.
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  Speaker 2: And it's freaky too because it's like this diachtlave past thing.
• 1:12:12
  It's like everybody has an opinion on it and everybody's.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: M it's a cool story.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Wait are you talking about Travis Walton?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Are you talking both? I'm talking both. They are both
• 1:12:28
  really cool stories. I mean, they're right up there. Those
• 1:12:31
  are the types of stories that capture our imagination.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: You know, it goes against other things that you've learned.
• 1:12:42
  And I'll say that in recent times, we are seeing
• 1:12:45
  more and more like footage from our own government where
• 1:12:53
  they're seeing crafts that they can't explain. And when you
• 1:12:56
  talk to most pilots, they've run into crafts that they
• 1:12:58
  can't really explain. Does that make them alien? I can't
• 1:13:03
  confirm or deny that, you know, like it's that's too
• 1:13:05
  hard to say. Could it be experimental aircraft? Could it
• 1:13:09
  be you know, aircraft? Nobody is supposed to know about.
• 1:13:12
  So nobody's gonna say, oh, yeah, we were flying one
• 1:13:16
  of these new space aged craft that we've been working
• 1:13:18
  on that we don't want anybody else to know about. Like,
• 1:13:22
  nobody's gonna come out and say that, but they're definitely
• 1:13:26
  seeing things up there. I believe these people.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: How do you do you believe in the Bermuda Triangle?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Man? There are some really cool stories that come out
• 1:13:38
  of that, and there's other there's other triangles like that
• 1:13:42
  that aren't just the Bermuda Triangle. There's other places and
• 1:13:45
  I can't think of them off the top of my
• 1:13:47
  head that this stuff happens even more often than yeah,
• 1:13:51
  in a triangle. But my belief in it doesn't make
• 1:13:54
  it true or not true. But it is very fucking interesting.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: We can speculate based on the activity that goes on
• 1:14:01
  at these locations that there's something going on, even if
• 1:14:05
  we don't know what what it is. So the reason
• 1:14:09
  I ask you that is because I came across yet
• 1:14:14
  another conspiracy theory about the Diatlav Pass, which was there
• 1:14:22
  are just random portals in weird locations like this Bermuda Triangle.
• 1:14:30
  This do not go there Mountain, the Fuji Mountain.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: In Japan, like they're this ominous place that just holds
• 1:14:41
  the reason why it has this this power, or that
• 1:14:46
  people believe it's had this power for so long.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: It's because they're portals, they're gateways.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: They can feel it, they can feel you know. I
• 1:14:55
  had heard a story about the Bermuda Triangle that was
• 1:14:58
  very interesting to me about a pilot and I do
• 1:15:04
  believe this might have been around World War two times
• 1:15:07
  or maybe not. But he started flying and he flew
• 1:15:09
  into this electric storm. Now he knew how much fuel
• 1:15:15
  he had. Obviously he's a pilot. He needed to know
• 1:15:18
  how much fuel he had. He knew how long that
• 1:15:21
  trip was going to take him. It was from somewhere
• 1:15:23
  I think, you know, like one of those normal trips.
• 1:15:27
  He would be taken from the Caribbean, maybe through to
• 1:15:30
  Miami or that area. And as he was flying, he
• 1:15:37
  flies into this storm and it was like this dark
• 1:15:40
  storm cloud that just completely gave him the creeps. And
• 1:15:42
  he was in touch with air traffic control somewhere in
• 1:15:47
  the Caribbean when he was about to fly into it,
• 1:15:51
  and he was terrified of this thing. And he's like,
• 1:15:53
  as I'm flying through it, like I almost came into
• 1:15:55
  what was an eye of the storm type thing and
• 1:15:58
  knew I had to fly even further. And he's like,
• 1:16:01
  my instruments are all going crazy. I can't pick direction,
• 1:16:06
  I can't see where the sun is. I'm like, I'm
• 1:16:09
  basically flying blind, you know, And I'm going into this storm.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: And he comes back out the storm cloud and he's
• 1:16:18
  like almost right above Miami, but he's there two hours
• 1:16:21
  earlier than he's supposed to be, and he hasn't lost
• 1:16:24
  the fuel.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: He should have lost that. And he's sitting there thinking
• 1:16:31
  exactly what you're talking about, not like he thought he
• 1:16:35
  was in a time portal. But he's like, this should
• 1:16:37
  not This is impossible. What's just happened to me is impossible. Either.
• 1:16:43
  My gauges right now are completely wrong. I don't have
• 1:16:45
  as much fuel as this is telling me, and my
• 1:16:49
  you know, clock on here is wrong. But once he
• 1:16:54
  was in touch with air traffic control, they're telling him
• 1:16:56
  the same thing, not about his fuel but the time
• 1:16:59
  it was, and he's asking to go and land and
• 1:17:03
  I'm like, that's.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Really and that is what I'm talking about.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't tell you how many pilots
• 1:17:11
  would have probably flown into something like that and never
• 1:17:14
  been able to make it out and just crash. What
• 1:17:17
  you hear about all the time in that area where
• 1:17:20
  you know, this plane's never been found, and then sometimes
• 1:17:24
  they do end up finding some of these planes ears
• 1:17:27
  and years later with people that go and find wrecks
• 1:17:32
  so super interesting.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: There's been whole passenger flights disappear in there. So that's
• 1:17:39
  why when I ask you that, I'm literally being sincere
• 1:17:43
  when I say I think that there are portals like
• 1:17:46
  this and we just have no idea about them. Yeah,
• 1:17:50
  if the government knows about them, they're not telling us.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: You know. The only thing the government's like a two
• 1:18:01
  and sword to me. You know, you think about some
• 1:18:04
  elements of the government, you're like these they can't do
• 1:18:08
  anything right. They're completely an apt, you know, like they
• 1:18:12
  can't get the census right, they can't figure anything out,
• 1:18:15
  they can't police things right. It's basically, if you want
• 1:18:18
  something to run poorly, just put the government in charge.
• 1:18:21
  You know. So when I hear certain things about like, hey,
• 1:18:25
  maybe the government knows this, man, I doubt it. I
• 1:18:28
  don't think they're merely as smart as they want. People
• 1:18:30
  to believe they are.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: But ooh, you know what that makes me think of.
• 1:18:38
  It makes me think of men in black because you know,
• 1:18:41
  in that movie, Will Smith goes, so, what branch of
• 1:18:44
  the government do we report to? And he goes, we don't.
• 1:18:49
  They don't need to know about this. We work for
• 1:18:51
  ourselves and we don't report to anyone. They ask too
• 1:18:56
  many questions. And it's like, what if there's some type
• 1:19:00
  of like it's not even the government, but somebody out
• 1:19:04
  there is like in control of like, Okay, we know
• 1:19:08
  where all these hot spots are, we know where the
• 1:19:10
  portals are in the gateways like skin walk or ranch
• 1:19:14
  places like this. There's serious fucking shit going on here,
• 1:19:19
  and it's like who has the answers?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Anybody? Does anyone know what the fuck is going on here?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I don't, I know, I know they don't.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I'm slowly finding that out. Like everybody's just
• 1:19:35
  kind of like going through life with like a blindfold on,
• 1:19:38
  you know, just feeling their way through.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: It's that idea. It kind of reminds me of the
• 1:19:42
  idea of and I think we all went through this
• 1:19:44
  as children. I know I did. When I was a child.
• 1:19:48
  I used to look up at adults and be like, man,
• 1:19:51
  they got it all figured out. And you kind of
• 1:19:55
  have this assumption as you get older that, like things,
• 1:19:59
  you're just going to figure things out. And you do
• 1:20:02
  gain wisdom and you do gain knowledge, but the reality
• 1:20:05
  is you don't know nearly as much as you thought
• 1:20:07
  you were going to know. You don't You can't do
• 1:20:10
  as much as you thought you were going to be
• 1:20:12
  able to do. You have to spend every waking moment
• 1:20:16
  trying to, you know, become an expert on anything. And
• 1:20:18
  you realize quickly you can't be an expert in everything,
• 1:20:21
  and you got to pick your battles and pick what
• 1:20:23
  you want. And I think sometimes people attribute the government similarly,
• 1:20:29
  like they know everything, they're in the know, they know this. No,
• 1:20:33
  they don't know shit. They don't know shit they want
• 1:20:38
  Look at I mean, just look at the last couple
• 1:20:40
  of presidents we've had. I'll just say that we these people,
• 1:20:46
  they're not like the smartest people you've ever come across
• 1:20:51
  in the know. I'm not going to go to Joe
• 1:20:53
  Biden and be like, tell me about the aliens, tell
• 1:20:55
  me about what's going on over there. I wouldn't Biden
• 1:21:00
  to change my fucking oil in my car. I wouldn't.
• 1:21:06
  I wouldn't trust him to give me directions to get
• 1:21:09
  up the street. Hey, which one's my house? I don't know.
• 1:21:12
  I'm standing in front of her.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: That makes me want to ask you one question. Yeah,
• 1:21:25
  did you hear this story that Joe Biden walked right
• 1:21:30
  in front of the Duchess of Cornwall Camillion?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: No? I didn't. Whatever this is I did.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: His leg up and just ripped ass right in front
• 1:21:41
  of her. Yeah, couldn't stop talking about it for days. Oil,
• 1:21:52
  you know, and then Joe Biden just walks right up
• 1:21:55
  to her, looks are dead in the eye and just
• 1:21:57
  rips ass in front of her. He did this in
• 1:22:03
  front of the Pope too. He was like, Hi, Pope,
• 1:22:07
  nice to meet you. I'm Joe Biden.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Somebody puts themoily water on that man.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought that was the craziest thing I
• 1:22:22
  had ever heard. Somebody else told me about it. They go.
• 1:22:24
  He pulled a real power move, if you ask me,
• 1:22:31
  probably shit his breches.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing surprises me.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: But Brian, okay, did you wrap up for the night.
• 1:22:41
  Can you tell the listeners what it is you're doing
• 1:22:44
  on the Cleveland Schwill podcast. What do you have going
• 1:22:47
  on inlightness?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Okay? And no, I appreciate that, So I I have
• 1:22:53
  started my own podcast called Cleveland Schwill. And if we
• 1:22:57
  have a little gimmick on there where we have to
• 1:23:00
  have a drink while we're doing our talking and you
• 1:23:04
  kind of tell everybody what is it you're drinking, how
• 1:23:07
  you would make it, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm
• 1:23:13
  predominantly I've lived most of my life in Northeast Ohio,
• 1:23:16
  so I'm trying to promote Northeast Ohio talent. And that
• 1:23:21
  means like anybody who's in the music industry out here, artists,
• 1:23:28
  small business owners. I even want to have on detectives
• 1:23:31
  to talk about like, you know, not like recent crimes,
• 1:23:36
  but maybe like a retired detective talk about some of
• 1:23:39
  his cases that he's done over the years. And next
• 1:23:46
  week I'm actually interviewing somebody for that has made their
• 1:23:52
  own comic book strip here that they have four different
• 1:23:54
  comics that they've done. They look it looks absolutely gorgeous.
• 1:23:58
  He's been doing it for years. He's made movies, he
• 1:24:00
  does the writing. All of the stuff takes place in Cleveland.
• 1:24:04
  So Basically, it's a it's a Northeast Ohio podcast, but
• 1:24:08
  I mean, obviously we invite anybody to come and listen,
• 1:24:11
  but it's just a kind of document and promote talented
• 1:24:16
  people that before they go off to somewhere else to
• 1:24:19
  make it and then have everybody be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:24:21
  we had them. They're back since day one when we
• 1:24:24
  did right right and just upcoming events that are happening
• 1:24:29
  locally and things like that. But there's a ton of
• 1:24:33
  interesting people here and we're going to try to do
• 1:24:35
  everything we can to get their stories. And I think
• 1:24:39
  it could be entertaining to anybody, but predominantly it's people
• 1:24:42
  that like live in this area or used to live
• 1:24:44
  in this area and want to know what's going on
• 1:24:46
  and want to know about like some of the things
• 1:24:48
  their neighbors are up to.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: And you know, obviously I'm from there, so it's very
• 1:24:53
  interesting to me because I like hearing that kind of
• 1:24:56
  stuff because I grew up there. It's nostalgic, like there's
• 1:24:59
  a lot of little places and stuff that I went
• 1:25:03
  to as a kid, and like Geneva on the Lake
• 1:25:06
  was a biggie and it's a magical place. Actually, what
• 1:25:11
  I will say, is like beautiful in the fall, like.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all four seasons, you get all four seasons. Yeah,
• 1:25:20
  it's really nice. It is. It's a Midwest type of thing.
• 1:25:23
  But you know, a lot of people grow up here
• 1:25:26
  and then they move other places, and then they still
• 1:25:29
  have that nostalgia for back home. That's why they think
• 1:25:32
  teams like the Cleveland Browns have so many backers bars
• 1:25:35
  all over the country and even the world. Is people
• 1:25:40
  are following a team that they grew up with. They
• 1:25:42
  just live somewhere else now, you know, and that feels
• 1:25:47
  like home. And sometimes when you listen to somebody from
• 1:25:50
  your area, it's kind of comforting.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: It brings that home field. They talk like, you like
• 1:25:59
  Cleveland with our accents, and they talk about places that
• 1:26:03
  you've been in restaurants, you've visited, places you loved going
• 1:26:07
  when you grew up, and but like to just know
• 1:26:10
  things that are going on there and that there's exciting
• 1:26:12
  things happening and what's new, and like you can almost
• 1:26:15
  feel like you're being part of it again.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: So I think that's an excellent idea because I have
• 1:26:21
  to tell you, if I come on, I'm talking about
• 1:26:24
  growing up and going to the grape Jamboree every year.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which other people have done and love and would
• 1:26:35
  love to talk about and think about. You know, there's
• 1:26:38
  so many Instagram pages and other things dedicated just as
• 1:26:43
  certain decades people grew up in, and all these people
• 1:26:46
  do they're like adults and there it's like this whole
• 1:26:51
  thing dedicated to the eighties. And they have like their
• 1:26:53
  basements and they're putting in VHS tapes that you would
• 1:26:56
  have watched in the eighties on an eighties television with
• 1:26:59
  a walk men and they're putting a tape in it
• 1:27:01
  and people love this shit and the technology is completely outdated,
• 1:27:07
  but it doesn't matter. Like somebody's holding up a new
• 1:27:10
  Kids on the Block tape and like all these women
• 1:27:13
  are like, oh my god, that was my favorite band
• 1:27:15
  when I was ten years old in the eighties. Like
• 1:27:19
  they loved that the cassette meant something to them. They
• 1:27:22
  can remember the time that they were in the basement
• 1:27:24
  with their eight friends and they put in the tape,
• 1:27:27
  listen to it all the way through and danced an
• 1:27:29
  ate pizza Like that shit means things to be because
• 1:27:33
  it was a simpler time. It was for them and
• 1:27:37
  not for their parents. It was just as chaotic as
• 1:27:40
  a christ But for that time, for them, things were
• 1:27:44
  so simple. The only thing you had to worry about
• 1:27:45
  was getting your homework done on time and making sure
• 1:27:49
  you were home by the time the lights went out
• 1:27:51
  on the street. And you know what note you were
• 1:27:56
  going to write to your girlfriend and try to get
• 1:27:58
  passed to her through your friends in you know, like
• 1:28:03
  that's what people did, and it was just it was
• 1:28:07
  you couldn't do things so quickly like you can now,
• 1:28:10
  so it had more meaning. Access to people had more meaning,
• 1:28:14
  and that meant something to somebody, like if I had
• 1:28:18
  a problem, like I couldn't just text somebody real quick
• 1:28:22
  to find out how they're feeling about it, Like that
• 1:28:27
  devalues that communication because it's so easy to access. When
• 1:28:31
  you had to sit there and all over for an
• 1:28:34
  entire weekend. What you were going to say to your
• 1:28:37
  girlfriend or boyfriend when you saw them on Monday, that
• 1:28:42
  had a completely different amount of meaning to you. It
• 1:28:44
  had so much value because you couldn't just access it.
• 1:28:48
  You couldn't just do it. You had to really think
• 1:28:50
  about it. You went over all the different scenarios in
• 1:28:53
  your head and you're like, I might put this in
• 1:28:55
  my note or I'll just tell her in person, or
• 1:28:57
  I'll just do this, and now things are just throw
• 1:29:01
  away to a degree, and it kind of has devalued
• 1:29:04
  things a little bit. You slipe left or right on
• 1:29:06
  a human being superficially and you and you don't even
• 1:29:09
  know them or anything about their personality or traits, and
• 1:29:14
  it kind of is I think that does have a
• 1:29:16
  detrimental effect on people, But the nostalgia for me is
• 1:29:20
  where it's at. And I think communicating I think actually
• 1:29:24
  bringing these podcasts and people listening to podcasts kind of
• 1:29:27
  takes you back to a little bit of more of
• 1:29:29
  a nostalgic time because you're listening to two people talk
• 1:29:32
  and it's real, it's not edited. Nobody's pushing their well,
• 1:29:36
  people push narratives, but I mean, and there's commercials, but
• 1:29:40
  it's not like the whole thing, Like when you watch
• 1:29:43
  five minutes of a news clip and it's just a
• 1:29:46
  real clip blurb so they can get to that make
• 1:29:48
  you buy a Toyota cam ring. At the end, you're
• 1:29:52
  sitting there like talking about real shit with real people,
• 1:29:56
  and your listeners are sitting there like, yeah, I fucking
• 1:30:00
  want to know about this too. They can tell when
• 1:30:02
  you're being real. People aren't stupid. They know when you're
• 1:30:05
  being real, and they know when you're full of shit.
• 1:30:07
  And most people want to listen to somebody who at
• 1:30:10
  least they know is being real with them. There's something
• 1:30:14
  inherently almost unique about that quality. Now that's a shame.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Right, do you know why, Brian? Because the kids who
• 1:30:25
  have grown up being able to text everything did not
• 1:30:31
  have to live through the generation where you had to
• 1:30:35
  be able to make conversation with another human being and
• 1:30:39
  like fill in the small like the gaps in between
• 1:30:43
  and with small talk and like come up with stuff
• 1:30:46
  to say on your feet, be sociable. Yeah, because I
• 1:30:51
  was talking to somebody who's like a gen Z or whatever.
• 1:30:54
  They've texted everything their whole life, and it's like they'll
• 1:30:57
  be like, I hate having conversations with people, like just
• 1:31:01
  text me, for God's sake, Like I don't want to
• 1:31:03
  talk to you on the phone, or I don't want
• 1:31:05
  to talk to you like at work, I just text
• 1:31:07
  me or email me or whatever. If you don't come
• 1:31:10
  to my cubicle and ask me, just send it in
• 1:31:12
  an email.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: What they're really saying is that's my insecurity and anywhere
• 1:31:17
  that I'm insecure. I don't feel comfortable and I don't
• 1:31:20
  feel like safe. I feel safe between the veil of
• 1:31:26
  this piece of technology, but I don't feel safe interacting
• 1:31:30
  with another human being. It's my anxiety. And I think
• 1:31:35
  that's where you do see a lot of anxiety stemming
• 1:31:37
  from a lot of people now, is that we've dehumanized
• 1:31:43
  humans to the point where I hope that we can
• 1:31:48
  come back from it, and I hope that people do
• 1:31:51
  learn that what a beautiful blessing it is to talk
• 1:31:55
  to another human being. You know, this is scientifically proven
• 1:31:59
  and we're wired this way, biologically wired this way that
• 1:32:05
  if two people hold hands long enough, their heartbeats start
• 1:32:09
  to sing. You hold somebody's hand that you love and
• 1:32:15
  actually can heal you. And this is not bullshit, I'm not.
• 1:32:18
  This is scientifically proven stuff. Being around people that you
• 1:32:23
  love and having somebody tell you that they love you,
• 1:32:26
  and and and you're around them and and the trust
• 1:32:32
  is there, and they're holding your hand and they care
• 1:32:34
  for you. It actually really does make people better. And
• 1:32:39
  I'm not saying it's the cure cure for all, you know,
• 1:32:42
  but people get better from illnesses faster when they're when
• 1:32:46
  they have somebody that loves them, that's taking care of them,
• 1:32:48
  Like we are biologically wired to be around other people,
• 1:32:53
  not a device. And if people are like I can't
• 1:32:56
  find love, I don't know anything about love, but they
• 1:32:58
  look through that. The only way they're comfortable in finding
• 1:33:01
  love is through an app or their computer. I don't
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  think there's anything wrong with that, using that to reach
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  out to somebody, even though it's very superficial and mostly
• 1:33:11
  predominantly based on looks unfortunately. But you have to pair
• 1:33:18
  that with humanity. You have to pair that with going
• 1:33:20
  out and seeing somebody's personality and understanding that there's more
• 1:33:25
  than just the smile and a professional photographer that took
• 1:33:29
  some pictures of somebody in Calvin Fine underwing, there's more
• 1:33:34
  to it than that. And when you touch that person
• 1:33:37
  and you kiss them on their lips and look them
• 1:33:40
  in their eyes or touch the back of their head,
• 1:33:43
  that literally releases chemicals and people. It's a whole new experience.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's why I, Yes, I was going to say,
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  that's why I feel like these gen Z kids will
• 1:33:59
  see in a room with you on their.
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  Speaker 2: Phone the entire time and be super comfortable, never uttering
• 1:34:09
  a word out of their mouth to you, because it's like,
• 1:34:12
  I'm on my phone. Why aren't you on your phone.
• 1:34:15
  Let's just sit in the same room and be on
• 1:34:16
  our phones together. But I remember when I was little,
• 1:34:21
  if my mom had people company come over to the
• 1:34:26
  house and I wasn't sitting at the table with them
• 1:34:31
  talking or sitting in the living room with them talking,
• 1:34:37
  I was in trouble. Yeah, because you have to talk
• 1:34:41
  to the guests. There are company. They came all the
• 1:34:44
  way over unannounced to have some coffee and some little
• 1:34:49
  fucking fiebra cakes or whatever mom has. Just to sit
• 1:34:53
  and enjoy each other's company.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: And that, in a way is what podcasts is doing too,
• 1:35:00
  is like just enjoying another person's company for an hour
• 1:35:05
  or two.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it does comfort people now, let them know that
• 1:35:09
  they're not alone. There's other people that are like you
• 1:35:12
  out there that do want to talk to other human beings,
• 1:35:15
  and sometimes it might be harder to find them when
• 1:35:18
  you're in the hustle and bustle of your everyday, repetitive life.
• 1:35:23
  But when you break away, you know, sometimes I say,
• 1:35:26
  it's not that bad to just go say hi to people.
• 1:35:29
  I do it all the time everywhere I go. Can
• 1:35:31
  I talk to people I do. You wouldn't believe how
• 1:35:35
  happy most people are to just have you say hello
• 1:35:39
  to them and give five seconds of your time to
• 1:35:42
  give a shit. It's a whole new world out there.
• 1:35:46
  When you do that for people, they're unbelievably grateful.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest gifts you can give someone is
• 1:35:52
  your time.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's a great way to put it. It's true.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: And on that note, if someone wants to spend some
• 1:36:01
  time with you, Brian, how can they contact you?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it is if you have if you're from
• 1:36:09
  Northeast Ohio, know somebody from Northeast Ohio that is kind
• 1:36:13
  of partaking in any of the things I brought up earlier,
• 1:36:16
  mostly in the art world, but also small businesses or
• 1:36:21
  detectives or comedians or anything along like actually any interesting
• 1:36:25
  stories that you have period. Even if your house is
• 1:36:27
  haunted and you live in Northeast Ohio. You can reach
• 1:36:31
  me at Cleveland dot Shwill at gmail dot com. And
• 1:36:36
  we also have a Cleveland Schwill Instagram page and that's
• 1:36:39
  Cleveland Underscore Shwill on Instagram.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, will send you a message on Instagram and.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: You can send me a message on Instagram and actually
• 1:36:52
  anybody can follow the page. I'm on Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon,
• 1:37:00
  mm hmmm.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Anchor pod be and all of those. So yeah, I
• 1:37:04
  do want to say Brian, I love you to bits.
• 1:37:07
  You are my cousin and obviously you're not just a
• 1:37:11
  guest on my show. So it's always super fun when
• 1:37:14
  you come on.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Oh I love coming on. I love coming on. It's
• 1:37:17
  a great time. I appreciate you.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Having me absolutely and thanks for being part of the spectacular.
• 1:37:25
  So all my listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. Thank
• 1:37:30
  you so much for listening, and we'll see you on
• 1:37:34
  the next one.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: Always looking into love, late mood light with my eyes,
• 1:37:40
  behead an sight, my mom stop from his lab began
• 1:37:46
  to rise and suddenly, to my surprise, he did the
• 1:37:53
  mongs tonight. It was a brave yards. It got all
• 1:38:01
  in a plow. He did the mons and.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: He did the monks.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: To man, it wasn't graveyards, man, it got all in
• 1:38:16
  a plow.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: It hit the mollah