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52 Jacqueline Kennedy - America's Fashionable First Lady · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: I didn't think to look at whether it had come
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Speaker 1: scheduled it correctly. Clearly I have not. So I have
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Speaker 1: scheduled this episode, but then I will check. So if
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Speaker 1: this isn't our first thing on Tuesday, then I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: have to manually set all the episodes. It's fine, I'll
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Speaker 1: make it work because it's who I am, very confident
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Speaker 1: in myself. Aren't I absolutely one. I have had such
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Speaker 1: a lazy Sunday, Like I spent yesterday going up and
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Speaker 1: down the loft or the addict depending on your region,
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Speaker 1: getting clothes sordid and putting stuff away. So mainly my
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Speaker 1: mom's and my kids stuff. Like I haven't even touched
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Speaker 1: mine this year, so all my stuff is split into,
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Speaker 1: as some of you know, autumn, winter and spring summer.
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Speaker 1: So I do that with the kids too, So anything
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Speaker 1: that they're still going to fit into, like in the springtime,
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Speaker 1: or anything that I've bought in advanced four springtime is
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Speaker 1: getting put up. Their winter stuff that all came down,
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Speaker 1: stuff that I, you know, purchased last year that turned
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Speaker 1: out to be a bit too big, things like that,
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Speaker 1: and they're all down and it's all getting ready. I
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Speaker 1: have these like onesies for them that are like monsters
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Speaker 1: because I got them big, so they've got those to wear,
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Speaker 1: especially as we're probably not gonna be able to heat
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Speaker 1: the house the same way this year. I think fluffy
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Speaker 1: pajamas for everybody is just I think how we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to do it, really, So we're getting stuff sorted,
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Speaker 1: and I did that and then today I was like, hmm,
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Speaker 1: I'm not feeling great, so I ended up chilling out
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Speaker 1: with my mom all day and we watched several hours
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Speaker 1: of Agatha Christie. There was like a murder mystery like
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Speaker 1: day happening on one of the channels, and it was like, yes,
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Speaker 1: we're watching black and white, Margaret Rutherford and murder. She said,
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Speaker 1: we had Glenn clothes and crooked house, and then of
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Speaker 1: course some classic Quaro. Can't turn down some classic Quaro.
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Speaker 1: No Tommy and Tuppins. I'm afraid what I do miss though,
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Speaker 1: is there used to be this show. I used to
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Speaker 1: be able to watch it, but I literally haven't seen
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Speaker 1: it in for Yonks, it was a French version, I believe,
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Speaker 1: of Partners in Crime. I think it was like the
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Speaker 1: Pitty Milt or something like that. It was a detective
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Speaker 1: and then another fella, and then a journalist was involved,
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Speaker 1: although I think there might be a Portuguese version of it. Now.
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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that retro vintage sort of
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Speaker 1: murdering mystery Agatha Christie sort of vibe like that is
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Speaker 1: very much a flavor. I enjoy, bloody love of we
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Speaker 1: who done it. Absolutely. I actually want to rebuild my
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Speaker 1: Agatha Christie collection book collection that is. I used to
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Speaker 1: have a decent reselection of the books and they got
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Speaker 1: damaged in storage, which is just unfortunate, but sometimes these
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Speaker 1: things happen, so I'm just hoping to slowly just rebuild it,
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Speaker 1: especially when you have these fantastic artists creating these gorgeous covers,
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Speaker 1: like you've got some that are that I want to
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Speaker 1: call the like the fabric art House, like Penguin Random
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Speaker 1: House does. And then of course you've got sort of
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Speaker 1: the Art Deco style that people are recreating, and you've
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Speaker 1: just got these really gorgeous, gorgeous covers and it's cover.
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Speaker 1: No motherfucker people get paid good money for you to
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Speaker 1: judge that book by its cover.
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Speaker 2: So yes, I'd love to do that.
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Speaker 1: Oh and before I go any further, I should mention
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Speaker 1: that at Bartie told me that over in Canada, someone
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Speaker 1: handed in a school history report with me listed as
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Speaker 1: the source. So if this was you, if you are
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Speaker 1: that person, Hi, you're awesome. You're currently my favorite Canadian.
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Speaker 2: And keep up the good work. You're brilliant. All right,
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Speaker 2: you are.
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Speaker 1: Now I know what all of you are thinking.
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Speaker 2: You're thinking what your jibber jabber.
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Speaker 1: In fact me, in fact you I will the first.
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Speaker 1: We've got to get our source on. Our sources are
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Speaker 1: America's Queen, The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy and Nasis by
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Speaker 1: Sayah Bradford.
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Speaker 2: What Jackie taught Us?
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Speaker 1: Lessons from the Remarkable Life of Jacqueline by Tina Flaherty.
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Speaker 1: One Nation under Sex. How the private lives of Presidents,
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Speaker 1: first Ladies and their lovers changed the course of American
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Speaker 1: History by Isabek David and Larry Flint. Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy
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Speaker 1: Onassis by Barbara Leeming, The Time of Their Lives by
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Speaker 1: Al Silverman, Jacqueline boo Vie Kennedy Onasus a Life by
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Speaker 1: Donald Spotto, Grace and Power by Sally Biddell Smith, and
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Speaker 1: of course articles from History dot Com, Biography dot Com,
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Speaker 1: and Vanity Fair. Are you sitting comfortably good?
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Speaker 2: Then let's begin.
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Speaker 1: Jacqueline Lee Bouvier was born on the twenty eighth of
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Speaker 1: July nineteen twenty nine, in Southampton, New York, to Wall
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Speaker 1: Street stockbroker John Vernu Bouvier the third, also known as
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Speaker 1: black Jack, and socialite Janet Norton Lee. Now you'd be
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Speaker 1: forgiven for thinking she was very French, of French descent,
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Speaker 1: but only she's like one eighth French. She's got the
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Speaker 1: surname and her name is always pronounced Jacqueline, like that's
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Speaker 1: how she pronounced it. But her family's actually more like Irish,
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Speaker 1: like her dad's have like wet a Scots in the
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Speaker 1: room of Irish, but of French. And her mom is
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Speaker 1: just like well French, because her mom was very much
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Speaker 1: of Irish heritage, like one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: It was all sort of Irish.
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Speaker 1: Americans marrying Irish Americans because her family had fled Ireland
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Speaker 1: during and gore to Moore the famine and they had
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Speaker 1: relocated to the States. Now, one thing that Janet definitely
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Speaker 1: instilled in both of her daughters was to marry well
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Speaker 1: and to marry up. Lowering their standards or moving down
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Speaker 1: the social ladder just wasn't on the cards, not for
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Speaker 1: these girls. So yeah, Jackie is born in nineteen twenty nine.
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Speaker 1: Later that summer, Jacqueline is baptized at the Saint Ignatius
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Speaker 1: Loyola Catholic Church in Manhattan. Being of Irish descent and
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Speaker 1: of French descent, girl is very Catholic. Then four years later,
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Speaker 1: her sister Caroline is born. The petite Bouviers would spend
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Speaker 1: most of their year in the twelve room duplex apartment
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Speaker 1: in Park Avenue, Manhattan, and of course they summered in
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Speaker 1: the Hamptons at a family estate. Jackie is absolutely the
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Speaker 1: apple of her father's eye. I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 1: she's named after him. There's a reason she is called
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Speaker 1: Jacqueline jack Jacqueline mm hm.
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Speaker 2: And he favors her over Caroline. He does.
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Speaker 1: He loves both his girls, but he prefers Jackie. He
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Speaker 1: even goes as far as to say that she is
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Speaker 1: the most beautiful daughter a man could ever have. Sir,
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Speaker 1: you have two daughters.
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Speaker 2: That is a dig move.
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Speaker 1: But Jackie is also really close to like her father's
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Speaker 1: side of the family. She's really close to her dad
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Speaker 1: and her granddad, like they're all very close, and they
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Speaker 1: really shaped her into like who she was going to become.
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Speaker 1: They kind of gave her the sort of independent spirit
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Speaker 1: and probably the stubborness too. One thing that jack really
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Speaker 1: sort of imprints on his daughters is.
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Speaker 2: To not only do their best, but to.
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Speaker 1: Be the best, and they really lean into this, especially Jackie.
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Speaker 2: So she ends up competing in like.
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Speaker 1: Equestrian writing, sporty stuff, and she's winning medals and trophies.
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Speaker 1: She's got taken ballet lessons, and she is learning languages.
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Speaker 1: She's got languages coming up the wazoo. She's learning like Italian, Spanish,
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Speaker 1: and of course French. When she's six years old, Jackie
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Speaker 1: enrolls in the Chapin School in Manhattan's Upper East Side.
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Speaker 1: And this is going to be surprising for some of you,
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Speaker 1: but she's a wee bit of an urse there. So
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Speaker 1: she's misbehaving and she's getting kicked out of classes the
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Speaker 1: whole shabbang, you know, And the headteacher's like, she's got
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Speaker 1: all these great qualities and she's got all this good stuff,
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Speaker 1: but it's not gonna matter if you keep being a
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Speaker 1: wee aarse. I mean, she probably said it in a
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Speaker 1: more eloquent fashion, but yeah, Now things weren't all peaches
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Speaker 1: and cream. Their parents' marriage and relationship was strained, to
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Speaker 1: say the least. You see, when they were young, their
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Speaker 1: father Jack black Black. Nope, that is a very different person,
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Speaker 1: Blackjack black Jack booviy.
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Speaker 2: He had an uncanny.
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Speaker 1: Resemblance to Clark Gable, one of the heart throwed movie
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Speaker 1: stars of the era, so much so that people would
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Speaker 1: actually stop him and ask him for his autographs because
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Speaker 1: they were convinced he was Clark Gable. But everything wasn't
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Speaker 1: exactly coming up Millhouse for black Jack because he had
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Speaker 1: lost a lot of money from the Wall Street crash
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Speaker 1: of twenty nine, so the same year Jacqueline was born,
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Speaker 1: lost a ton of money, and since then he had
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Speaker 1: been consistently not doing well, which if he had you know,
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Speaker 1: been doing okay, if he still had the money and
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Speaker 1: he still had the prestige and everything that went with it,
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Speaker 1: I don't think the marriage would have been as straightened. See,
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Speaker 1: black Jack Bouvier.
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Speaker 2: Was a whore.
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Speaker 1: We could call him a womanizer, we could put some
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Speaker 1: fancy terms all around it.
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Speaker 2: Man was a hole.
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Speaker 1: So he was tickling his Todger up and down Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: and that could have been acceptable. That could have been
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Speaker 1: you know, fine and dealt with because society back then
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Speaker 1: men did what they wanted and women just had to
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Speaker 1: go in and bear it quite a lot of the time.
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Speaker 1: Good thing that it has changed and is not you know,
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Speaker 1: we're not stuck in a horrific patriarchal hellscape where actions, thoughts,
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Speaker 1: and ways of being are being policed by men. AnyWho
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Speaker 1: Black jack was also drinking and drinking heavily, So between
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Speaker 1: sleeping around, droning his sorrows and having no money, there
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Speaker 1: was a line, and for Janet jack Bouvier had crossed it,
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Speaker 1: and probably more than once. So they split when Jackie
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Speaker 1: is seven years old, but they don't get divorced for
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Speaker 1: another four years. It probably just took that long to
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Speaker 1: get it done because you know Catholic, and I actually
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Speaker 1: think this is one of the reasons why Jackie was
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Speaker 1: misbehaving in school, because she loved her father. She loved
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Speaker 1: her dad, she loved being with her dad, and the split,
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Speaker 1: the separation and then the divorce, that's really hard on her.
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Speaker 1: So they had split in nineteen thirty six, and then
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Speaker 1: they had tried to reconcile in nineteen thirty seven but
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Speaker 1: that didn't work out, and then they eventually divorced in
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Speaker 1: nineteen forty. The very next year, the US joins World
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Speaker 1: War Two. White jobviously is not a super fun time
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Speaker 1: for anybody, though was somehow through all of this. In
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Speaker 1: the early forties, Jackie's mom marriages to meet Hue d Ouchincloss,
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Speaker 1: an American millionaire and heir to like Stafford Oil. I
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Speaker 1: think He's also got like investments and a bunch of
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Speaker 1: other stuff.
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Speaker 2: He is well rich by.
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Speaker 1: The way, Janet dead as Janet does, which is marry
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Speaker 1: smartly at least this time. So although like her previous
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Speaker 1: husband's money had dwindled away over the years by bad
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Speaker 1: investments and crashes and everything else that happened, her new
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Speaker 1: husband he was doing.
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Speaker 2: Very very well for himself. Did I call it.
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Speaker 1: Stafford Royal earlier standard oil? Honestly, I were about myself sometimes.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen forty two, the pair get married and Jackie
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Speaker 1: and her sister gain like three or four step siblings.
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Speaker 1: There's a whole tounk of them, and eventually they actually
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Speaker 1: end up with two more half siblings, Janet and James Ockincloss.
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Speaker 2: I believe.
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Speaker 1: So Jackie and her sister don't actually attend their mum's
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Speaker 1: wedding just because of like World War two and the
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Speaker 1: way everything is restricted, and because the wedding was actually
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Speaker 1: put together pretty sharpish, like it was a very quick wedding,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't a shotgun wedding, or it wasn't to
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Speaker 1: my knowledge, because their half sibling wasn't born until like
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Speaker 1: forty five. Soled three years so unless something happened in
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Speaker 1: the meantime, Hym's to say. So, they actually get on
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Speaker 1: really well with the Oakeen classes, and they refer to
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Speaker 1: their new stepdad as Uncle Hughdy, which is what I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna call him for the rest of this because I'm
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Speaker 1: having such trouble pronouncing Oachen class, and I think I'm
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Speaker 1: still pronouncing it wrong even though I looked it up.
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Speaker 1: I still feel like I've made a mistake somewhere. And
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Speaker 1: Uncle Hughdy is somehow, for someone that rich and esteemed,
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Speaker 1: is really unassuming, to the point that gore Vidal actually
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Speaker 1: calls him a magnum of chloroform because he finds him
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Speaker 1: so unbelievably boring and dull like cool. But Jackie and
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Speaker 1: her sister they actually really like their stepdad. So after
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Speaker 1: the marriage, Janet moves the girls out to marry which
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Speaker 1: is Uncle Hughy's fucking gorgeous house. It's absolutely stunning. It's
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous Georgian house with terraced gardens overlooking a river
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Speaker 1: in northern Virginia, and that's like, that's like their mainstay.
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Speaker 1: But of course they summer, and where do they spend
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Speaker 1: their holidays but Newport, Rhode Island at Hammersmith Farm, a
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Speaker 1: fifty acre woulded estate, because of course it is, they're
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Speaker 1: like incredibly incredibly rich. So like they arrive in these
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Speaker 1: like gorgeous fucking places which are even better than like
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Speaker 1: the places they went with their dad when they were younger,
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Speaker 1: and it was like stepping into a fairy tale for
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Speaker 1: them because they were just so pretty. A complete juxtaposition
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Speaker 1: of that is they're Dad's modern aboard. So black Jack
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Speaker 1: Bouvier hem into this dingy wee apartment on like East
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Speaker 1: seventy fourth Street. Do you like how I said that,
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Speaker 1: as if I had any idea what East seventy fourth
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Speaker 1: Street was, I have no fucking clue. I could look
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Speaker 1: at a map and it probably still wouldn't make sense
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Speaker 1: to me. So whenever they visit their dad, they're visiting
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Speaker 1: in this cramped wee apartment, right, this wee flat, and
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Speaker 1: it is a stark contrast to what they're living in
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Speaker 1: with their mom. And they're eating dinner off this week
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Speaker 1: card table, you know, like a table on which you
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Speaker 1: play cards, because the dining room doesn't exist anymore because
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Speaker 1: he had converted it into a bedroom for his two daughters,
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Speaker 1: which honestly is really sweet. It's very good that he
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Speaker 1: did that instead of instead of just making them top
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Speaker 1: and tailor on the couch, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: And for them, it makes them really fucking aware of
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Speaker 1: what a lack of money can do. So they're looking
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Speaker 1: at their dad situation and his financial situation and what
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Speaker 1: it has led to, and it really ingrains in them
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Speaker 1: that they do not want to be like this, like
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Speaker 1: they want financial stability like this definitely cements that in them.
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Speaker 1: So after they move to Marywood, Jackie starts going to
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Speaker 1: the Holton Arms School in Washington, DC, and two years later,
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Speaker 1: when she's thirteen years old, she goes to boarding school
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Speaker 1: and it is Miss Porter's School in Farmington, Connecticut. I
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Speaker 1: think I'm fairly certain that that's the same school her
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Speaker 1: mum went to when she was younger. So, yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: at school, she's studying her languages, she's doing great. Her
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Speaker 1: half sister, Janet is born in nineteen forty five, and
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Speaker 1: then James is born in nineteen forty seven, which is
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Speaker 1: also the same year that she finishes high school. So
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Speaker 1: not only does she finish high school, but it's also
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Speaker 1: the point where she is launched like a rocket. No no,
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Speaker 1: well maybe as she, like so many other daughters of
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Speaker 1: the wealthy and the aristocracy and the upper class, as
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Speaker 1: a debutante, when they quote unquote come of age, they
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Speaker 1: have a coming out party where they enter fashionable society.
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Speaker 1: And Jackies is hosted at the Newport Clambake Club in
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Speaker 1: August of nineteen forty seven, and it's held there because
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Speaker 1: her stepfather, Uncle Hurry, he's a member, he's a big member,
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Speaker 1: he's an important member.
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Speaker 2: So she has it there. So when she's.
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Speaker 1: Having this party, her sister shows up, Carolyn Lee, and
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Speaker 1: she is in this strapless, pink, roundstone gown and everyone's.
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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, she's so gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: But then when there's another coming out party that an
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Speaker 1: other girls having, Jackie borrows the same dress because she's like,
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Speaker 1: this is just fabulous, because here's the thing. It's Lee's
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Speaker 1: Carolyn Lee that is like the trendier of the two sisters.
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Speaker 1: She's actually more fashionable. So Jackie is like, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: borrow that dress and she does thunder stealing. Aside, Jackie
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Speaker 1: still gets named the Debutante of the year. So when
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Speaker 1: autumn of that year, Jackie she's got all her ducks
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Speaker 1: in her room and she ends up attending Vassar College
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Speaker 1: up in Poughkeepsie. She did want to go to Sarah Lawrence.
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Speaker 1: That was her first choice because it was closer to
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Speaker 1: New York, but her family thought, just go a bit further,
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Speaker 1: aa bit outside, we a bit more isolated. But Jackie
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Speaker 1: is absolutely not sold on the location. Like, she doesn't
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Speaker 1: enjoy being in Poughkeepsie, so she doesn't really do a
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Speaker 1: lot of social stuff there and instead travels into Manhattan
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Speaker 1: on the weekends where she spends her time in these
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Speaker 1: high society circles. So, like she didn't hate the college,
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Speaker 1: she hated the location. So when she was there, she
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Speaker 1: was like really involved in the arts and drama clubs,
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Speaker 1: she wrote for the newspaper, and her studies were going,
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Speaker 1: they were tiptop, they were fantastic, But she just didn't.
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Speaker 2: Like the location.
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Speaker 1: So when she got the opportunity to go to Paris
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Speaker 1: for her junior year, so fucking lately, she jumped on it.
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Speaker 1: So during nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty she's studying
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Speaker 1: at University Cornoble alp and the Subonne, which she's doing
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Speaker 1: like via Alex Smith College, and then when she gets
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Speaker 1: back to the States, when she comes home, she ends
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Speaker 1: up transferring to the George Washington University in DC, and
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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one she graduates with a BA in
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Speaker 1: French literature. In nineteen fifty one, Jackie and her sister
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Speaker 1: in barcona grand tour, which was back in the day socialites,
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Speaker 1: especially women, they would go and they would travel around
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Speaker 1: Europe where we will. So Jackie is twenty one, so
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Speaker 1: she's her sister's chaperone. So Jackie is there to basically
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Speaker 1: make sure that her sister doesn't get into any shit.
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Speaker 1: So they're there with these letters from the augen clauses,
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Speaker 1: with letters of introduction to like ambassadors and all these
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Speaker 1: people so that they can make their way through like
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Speaker 1: society in Europe. So they're traveling around this like Helme
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Speaker 1: and Minx, just fucking zooming around Europe. And they get
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Speaker 1: up to high jinks as sisters are wont to do,
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Speaker 1: and so like at one point they sneak aboard a
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Speaker 1: ship to sort of infiltrate a first class dinner dance.
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Speaker 1: They're just like, whoops, we're here now.
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Speaker 2: I like that. They just crashed. They just crashed a.
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Speaker 1: Gala, and all the while they're writing letters back to
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Speaker 1: their mom saying like, we are sewing the buttons and
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Speaker 1: all their clothes, we are wearing gloves.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're doing the proper stuff, obviously.
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Speaker 1: But of course, all good things must come to an end.
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Speaker 2: So in the autumn of nineteen.
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Speaker 1: Fifty one, after her summer away in Europe, Jackie gets
22:57
Speaker 1: a job at Vogue magazine as a junior editor. And
23:00
Speaker 1: she's supposed to have the gig for twelve months, like
23:02
Speaker 1: a full year. But when she arrives on her first day,
23:06
Speaker 1: because she's twenty one, she's already kind of seen like
23:10
Speaker 1: as an old maid, and the editor she tells her
23:15
Speaker 1: that she's too old to be single, and that Vogue is,
23:20
Speaker 1: you know, it's a very female dominated work environment, and
23:23
Speaker 1: that being there for Jackie wasn't going to be good
23:27
Speaker 1: for her because she wasn't going to find a husband
23:30
Speaker 1: in this environment. Like it just wasn't going to work
23:34
Speaker 1: for her. So by noon that day she'd started at nine.
23:39
Speaker 1: By noon three hours later, Jackie quits.
23:43
Speaker 2: She quits Vogue.
23:44
Speaker 1: She takes the advice of the editor and gets the
23:47
Speaker 1: fucketed dodge and she heads back to Washington. Jackie manages
23:51
Speaker 1: to get a new job within a month, and she
23:53
Speaker 1: starts at the Washington Times Herald. So they hire her
23:57
Speaker 1: as like a part time receptionist, but she tells them
23:59
Speaker 1: that work isn't challenging enough her and wants more to do.
24:03
Speaker 1: So she gets set up to the city editor who
24:05
Speaker 1: gives her the job as the inquiring camera girl, which
24:09
Speaker 1: is like a man on the street thing. So she'd
24:11
Speaker 1: go up take someone's photo, ask them sort of witty questions,
24:15
Speaker 1: and she would kind of try and find people of interest,
24:17
Speaker 1: and it was a pretty good gig for her. It
24:19
Speaker 1: worked really, really well. And so a month after that,
24:23
Speaker 1: in November, she meets a young stockbroker named John Husted
24:28
Speaker 1: hosted so then about two months later they announced their
24:34
Speaker 1: engagement in the New York Times. So January nineteen fifty two.
24:39
Speaker 1: There you go, hello, But the engagement it's called off
24:45
Speaker 1: three months later by Jackie. She calls it off because
24:50
Speaker 1: he is too immature and boring, and like he really
24:55
Speaker 1: wanted her to be a housewife, and she didn't want that.
24:59
Speaker 2: I mean, she wanted to be.
25:01
Speaker 1: More than just a housewife. Listen, if you are a housewife,
25:05
Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to be a housewife if
25:07
Speaker 1: that's what you want, you know, whether you whether you're
25:10
Speaker 1: Ama by fab whatever, good for you have fun, love
25:15
Speaker 1: your best life. But that is not what she wanted
25:19
Speaker 1: because society had told women that their job was to
25:22
Speaker 1: be a homemaker and that was all they could be,
25:25
Speaker 1: and she wanted to be more than that.
25:28
Speaker 2: She wanted to have.
25:29
Speaker 1: Her own achievements, her own goals that didn't revolve around
25:33
Speaker 1: necessarily being you know, Betty Crocker. And in May of
25:39
Speaker 1: that year, Jacqueline Bouvier is introduced to a dashing young
25:43
Speaker 1: politician by the name of John Fitzgerald Kennedy by a
25:48
Speaker 1: mutual friend. Of course, that's also how Megan Markle got
25:51
Speaker 1: introduced to like Prince Harry, an introduction by a mutual friend.
25:57
Speaker 2: Damn any better friends.
25:59
Speaker 1: So whether dating their lives are going pretty well for
26:01
Speaker 1: both of them. So like JFK gets elected to the
26:04
Speaker 1: Senate and Jackie she ends up being sent to the
26:07
Speaker 1: UK to cover the Queen's coronation, Like this is the
26:11
Speaker 1: first you know, televised coronation and she is a member of.
26:16
Speaker 2: The press for it.
26:17
Speaker 1: So Jackie and JFK, they're a really smart match. Like,
26:20
Speaker 1: they're both intelligent, they're both Catholic, they're both really fucking
26:25
Speaker 1: rich and from the same circles. So for them, it's
26:29
Speaker 1: a very smart connection for.
26:32
Speaker 2: Both of them.
26:34
Speaker 1: So because she is from decent stock, so for him
26:39
Speaker 1: as a political candidate, she is very She's a very
26:43
Speaker 1: decent woman. And for Jackie there is a financial security of.
26:48
Speaker 2: Like Kennedy money.
26:50
Speaker 1: I mean, there is that twelve year age difference, which is,
26:53
Speaker 1: you know, unpleasant to think about, but it's there. So
26:57
Speaker 1: JFK had actually proposed to Jackie just after the November election,
27:01
Speaker 1: so like after he'd won his place in the Senate,
27:04
Speaker 1: and she told him she'd think about it because she
27:06
Speaker 1: already knew she was going to the UK to cover
27:08
Speaker 1: like the Queen's coronation, and it wasn't until she got
27:12
Speaker 1: back that she accepted his proposal. Imagine being so confident
27:19
Speaker 1: that in the nineteen fifties you're dating the most eligible
27:22
Speaker 1: bachelor in the country and you've told him to wait
27:27
Speaker 1: a minute. Like that is that is ballsy and I
27:31
Speaker 1: fucking love it. But like she does accept it when
27:34
Speaker 1: she comes back from the UK and their engagement is
27:37
Speaker 1: announced on the twenty fifth of June, nineteen fifty three,
27:41
Speaker 1: because that's I mean, I think some people in like
27:44
Speaker 1: society still do that now. They do like an engagement announcement,
27:48
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was very much what they did back then.
27:51
Speaker 1: And something that may have spurred on her choice to
27:53
Speaker 1: accept the proposal was the fact that her sister, her
27:57
Speaker 1: younger sister, got married in April of that year. And
28:02
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird because younger sisters, especially at that time,
28:06
Speaker 1: were definitely not supposed to get married before their older
28:10
Speaker 1: sisters because it's kind of seemed like an insult.
28:13
Speaker 2: Like a slap in the face.
28:15
Speaker 1: So it really sort of pushed Jacket into being the
28:21
Speaker 1: sort of like the spinster of the Old maid a
28:23
Speaker 1: wee bit, you know. So they get married on the
28:25
Speaker 1: twelfth of September nineteen fifty three, which is like three
28:28
Speaker 1: months after their engagement announcement, and they actually have a
28:31
Speaker 1: bitysode or an episode about the wedding. I don't know
28:35
Speaker 1: if it's here or if it's on the Patreon, but
28:38
Speaker 1: it goes on the details about like the wedding and
28:41
Speaker 1: the scratches on his face and her fucking dress because
28:45
Speaker 1: it is absolutely fucking madness, right, So her dress is
28:50
Speaker 1: designed by Anlo who is a black coutilier, and because
28:55
Speaker 1: of her skin color, like so many people wrote her
28:58
Speaker 1: out of like the story of the wedding, like only
29:02
Speaker 1: one person, I don't know if it was Vanity Fair
29:04
Speaker 1: of Vogue, but only one article published her name. And
29:09
Speaker 1: and though she was consistently making gowns for the elite,
29:14
Speaker 1: so she was making clothes for like the rocker Fellers
29:17
Speaker 1: and the Roosevelts and the DuPont and she was always
29:22
Speaker 1: like the big name, or not the big name, but
29:25
Speaker 1: the big person who would make these itrams because she
29:30
Speaker 1: would make international like debutante gowns and everything. She was
29:34
Speaker 1: the cream of the fucking crop. But again, because she
29:38
Speaker 1: was African American, people thought they could treat her in
29:43
Speaker 1: a less than respectful manner. So like her and Jackie
29:47
Speaker 1: Kennedy didn't actually get on initially because well, Jackie wanted
29:52
Speaker 1: a style that was more simple, sleek and French. And
29:57
Speaker 1: for the Kennedys, because it is JFK's dad that really
30:01
Speaker 1: took the rains on the whole wedding thing was that
30:05
Speaker 1: he wanted this very like detailed, this very kind of
30:08
Speaker 1: for what Jackie felt was ostentatious, this very big gown
30:12
Speaker 1: because he had invited like press and everybody. It was
30:15
Speaker 1: like the event of the season. It was like the
30:20
Speaker 1: big society wedding because they were you know, they were
30:23
Speaker 1: you know, big families, lots of money.
30:26
Speaker 2: It was of good stock, good stroke.
30:29
Speaker 1: So and of course the head Kennedy wants here in
30:33
Speaker 1: this fucking gown. So ten days before the wedding, disaster strikes.
30:39
Speaker 1: This pipe bursts in a low studio and it destroys.
30:44
Speaker 1: It just fucking just ruins the original wedding dress, along
30:50
Speaker 1: with nine out of the fifteen bridesmaids dresses. So a
30:55
Speaker 1: fuck toner shit is just ruined. So the wedding dress
30:59
Speaker 1: alone had taken two months to make and it had
31:03
Speaker 1: like fifty yards of tafata silk tafata. So like Low
31:08
Speaker 1: and her team then had to make remake this really
31:13
Speaker 1: intricate gown in ten days, along with all the bridesmaid's
31:18
Speaker 1: gowns too, like they had to remake everything.
31:20
Speaker 2: They did it. They absolutely did.
31:23
Speaker 1: It, and the crisis was averted. But like the best
31:26
Speaker 1: part of the story for me is that she showed
31:29
Speaker 1: up with the gowns and they were like going the
31:32
Speaker 1: back entrance, and Low tells them if she is not
31:35
Speaker 1: walking through that front door, then neither are her dresses,
31:40
Speaker 1: which is just a power move of ug and Liver.
31:42
Speaker 1: So Jackie does wear the iconic, the now iconic and
31:46
Speaker 1: low gown for her wedding, and due to her father's
31:51
Speaker 1: you know, love of the bottle, it ends up being
31:54
Speaker 1: her stepfather, uncle Hughdy, who gives her away at the wedding.
31:58
Speaker 1: So her and John they get married at the Saint
32:02
Speaker 1: Mary's Church in Newport and Rhode Island, and there's like
32:06
Speaker 1: twelve hundred people there.
32:08
Speaker 2: It's fucking massive.
32:10
Speaker 1: So they end up having the ceremony there, and then
32:12
Speaker 1: they go back to Hammersmith Farm, owned by Uncle Jury,
32:16
Speaker 1: and they have the reception there. And the very next
32:20
Speaker 1: day the Kennedys leave for their honeymoon and they go
32:23
Speaker 1: to Vak and Acapulco, Go and look go down in
32:27
Speaker 1: Acapulco in Mexico. That was not the melody of that song.
32:32
Speaker 1: I could not remember it. But we're just gonna move on.
32:36
Speaker 1: So when they return from their honeymoon, they move on
32:39
Speaker 1: to a house in heckry Hell in Virginia, which is
32:42
Speaker 1: just in like the suburbs.
32:43
Speaker 2: Of DC, so they're there.
32:46
Speaker 1: So the first couple of years of their marriage are
32:48
Speaker 1: pretty tough because JFK he has Addison's disease and this
32:53
Speaker 1: really just exacerbates this backendry he has. So he ends
32:57
Speaker 1: up going for the surgery, the spino surgery, which almost
33:01
Speaker 1: kills him, like it is fucking atrocious, and it's basically
33:07
Speaker 1: there to make his back pain not as bad. And
33:11
Speaker 1: that was in nineteen fifty four. The following year, Jackie
33:15
Speaker 1: suffers a miscarriage, and in nineteen fifty six their daughter
33:19
Speaker 1: Arabella is stillborn. They end up selling the Hickory Holl
33:23
Speaker 1: House to Robert Kennedy and his wife Ethel because they
33:26
Speaker 1: want a family to have the home.
33:29
Speaker 2: So they end up getting.
33:30
Speaker 1: A house in Georgetown, and then another one in Boston
33:35
Speaker 1: an apartment in Boston sorry, and then in nineteen fifty
33:39
Speaker 1: seven their rainbow baby, Caroline Kennedy is born. And when
33:43
Speaker 1: Caroline is born, JFK is actually campaigning. He's trying to
33:48
Speaker 1: get reelected for the Senate, so Jackie is actually with him.
33:52
Speaker 1: Because they had been separated here and there throughout the
33:55
Speaker 1: first five years of their marriage, they want to try
33:58
Speaker 1: and stay close together, especially considering that you know she
34:03
Speaker 1: was in the family. Wait, Jackie just being there becomes
34:07
Speaker 1: this sort of symbol, and it did not go unnoticed
34:10
Speaker 1: that whenever Jackie was with JFK, the crowds were always bigger,
34:16
Speaker 1: sometimes even double the amount than usual. So her in
34:19
Speaker 1: law has actually said that she was not a natural
34:22
Speaker 1: born campaigner because she was shy. And I don't think
34:26
Speaker 1: she was shy as such, is that she was keen eyed.
34:31
Speaker 1: I think she was very observant and she was just
34:34
Speaker 1: taking in the situation. And I think her voice didn't
34:38
Speaker 1: help her because it gave that perception of just sort
34:41
Speaker 1: of more shyness really, because she had a pretty wispy voice,
34:46
Speaker 1: very similar to like Marlon Monroe, but probably a little
34:50
Speaker 1: bit more articulate because of just how she was raised,
34:54
Speaker 1: like probably had elocution lessons and shit.
34:57
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like that.
35:00
Speaker 1: But she was very, very astute. So in nineteen fifty nine,
35:05
Speaker 1: when he is like visiting like how many states, like
35:08
Speaker 1: fourteen states, Jackie is on the campaign trail with them,
35:13
Speaker 1: and like she leaves every now and again to like
35:16
Speaker 1: go spend time with their daughter and then joins him
35:18
Speaker 1: again on the campaign trail. And because she knew he
35:21
Speaker 1: was going to start a presidential campaign the following year,
35:24
Speaker 1: she was already like fine tuning his wardrobe. She was
35:28
Speaker 1: just working it and making everything just so. In January
35:34
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, JFK announces that he's running for president, and
35:38
Speaker 1: then it turns out Jackie's pregnant. So for a load
35:42
Speaker 1: of the campaign trail, she doesn't go with him, like
35:46
Speaker 1: it's just not happening, because she's already had like one
35:49
Speaker 1: still birth and one miscarriage. She doesn't want to risk it.
35:54
Speaker 1: But what she does do is write this column called
35:57
Speaker 1: campaign Wife. She's going interviews, she's answering questions, she's doing
36:02
Speaker 1: all this stuff like she's promoting him from the home turf.
36:07
Speaker 1: And even though she's not really involved physically in the
36:11
Speaker 1: campaign as much as she would like to, because she
36:15
Speaker 1: was there like in the very early stages of the pregnancy,
36:18
Speaker 1: but then as it progressed, it was very clear that
36:21
Speaker 1: it was high risk, so she used her talents elsewhere.
36:24
Speaker 1: But yet, even though she's not physically all with him,
36:27
Speaker 1: for like the majority of this campaign, she is constantly
36:30
Speaker 1: in magazine. She's constantly named as like best Dressed. But
36:35
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, she's being attacked because
36:39
Speaker 1: of she prefers like European designers, especially French, so because
36:44
Speaker 1: she's not wearing American fashions by American designers. Along with
36:49
Speaker 1: the fact that how much she spends on her wardrobe
36:52
Speaker 1: gets brought up quite a lot. She just ends up
36:56
Speaker 1: avoiding it all together, like she doesn't discuss like her
37:00
Speaker 1: clothes or where she gets them or how much they cost,
37:04
Speaker 1: but she'll talk about her husband's campaign and all the
37:06
Speaker 1: good work he's doing, so on and so forth. In September,
37:10
Speaker 1: there's the first televised presidential debate and Jackie is watching
37:14
Speaker 1: it at home because she's pregnant, she ain't going anywhere.
37:17
Speaker 1: And as she's watching it, she decides that he needs
37:20
Speaker 1: new speech writers, he needs new aids, like he needs
37:22
Speaker 1: to up his game for the October.
37:24
Speaker 2: Debates and will it worked.
37:27
Speaker 1: Because on the eighth of November nineteen sixty John F.
37:31
Speaker 1: Kennedy gets elected to the White House. He is now
37:34
Speaker 1: the President of the United States, making Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy
37:41
Speaker 1: the first lady Termly she really didn't like because she
37:45
Speaker 1: said it was like a horse name. It's what you'd
37:48
Speaker 1: name a horse. And there she gives her sleddy giving
37:50
Speaker 1: over the pouset. You know what, she's not wrong, I
37:54
Speaker 1: can hear it. So JFK is elected and later that month,
37:59
Speaker 1: Jackie Ken gives birth to the couple's first son, John F.
38:04
Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, and in January nineteen sixty one, JFK is
38:08
Speaker 1: officially sworn in as the President of the United States.
38:13
Speaker 1: And now Jackie has definitely thrown into like the superstardom
38:16
Speaker 1: of stylet con and she is just constantly being watched
38:20
Speaker 1: with what she's going to wear. She becomes a big
38:23
Speaker 1: influence on fashion and style, but she's actually not the
38:28
Speaker 1: most fashionable person in her family, her sister Lee. She
38:32
Speaker 1: ends up sneaking gowns into the White House for her
38:35
Speaker 1: sister because she's bringing stuff from like Italy and France
38:39
Speaker 1: and Germany, and the White House just isn't really keen
38:43
Speaker 1: on this. They want her to be like American dressed,
38:47
Speaker 1: but she's like sneaking the shit into her and Jackie,
38:50
Speaker 1: apart from you know, dressing, fabulously has to find something
38:52
Speaker 1: to do when she's in the White House, but like
38:55
Speaker 1: a lot of it isn't exactly livable, so she ends
38:59
Speaker 1: up reworking it to be more of a living space.
39:02
Speaker 1: Like she even puts a school in I think on
39:05
Speaker 1: is it the third floor or something. She creates a
39:07
Speaker 1: school for her kids, and like it was ten kids
39:10
Speaker 1: in total, so I'm assuming children of people who work
39:14
Speaker 1: in the White House probably, so the kids get at
39:17
Speaker 1: least some social interaction. But like, she starts this restoration
39:22
Speaker 1: of the White House, so she's finding historical pieces that
39:27
Speaker 1: had been removed and she's like restoring other areas and
39:31
Speaker 1: then CBS they do this, they do this documentary. And
39:36
Speaker 1: because of this documentary about her renovating and bringing back
39:40
Speaker 1: the White House to its former glory, because she said
39:44
Speaker 1: anything that was there historically had a purpose, so she
39:48
Speaker 1: was planning on bringing it back. So she wins an
39:52
Speaker 1: honorary Emmy or she's given an honorary Emmy for this
39:56
Speaker 1: documentary nineteen sixty two. It comes out actually, but she's
40:04
Speaker 1: redoing this whole space and she's trying to make it
40:08
Speaker 1: like a calming environment because she wants to be more
40:11
Speaker 1: like a home, you know, because the stress being president
40:15
Speaker 1: ain't fun and she wanted him to have like a
40:18
Speaker 1: nice home life. And what she found very difficult was
40:23
Speaker 1: the fact that because she wasn't up to her elbows
40:25
Speaker 1: and flower and she wasn't she wasn't a housewife that
40:30
Speaker 1: she was perceived in like a negative.
40:33
Speaker 2: Way for quite a bit.
40:35
Speaker 1: So when she's getting things ready for JFK, like she
40:39
Speaker 1: used to read like the CIA reports and stuff that
40:42
Speaker 1: was coming in, but then it got to the point
40:46
Speaker 1: where she had to stop because she was terrified. She
40:51
Speaker 1: was like, if she had to read any more, like
40:55
Speaker 1: she wouldn't sleep because of all the threats and the
40:57
Speaker 1: possibility of threats and everything dodgy that could be happening.
41:02
Speaker 1: So she just ended up not reading those memos anymore,
41:06
Speaker 1: you know. So in nineteen sixty two, Jackie goes on
41:09
Speaker 1: this good will tour of India and Pakistan, the first
41:12
Speaker 1: Lady's good Will to of India and Pakistan, and she
41:15
Speaker 1: brings her sister Lee, who incidentally had at this point
41:19
Speaker 1: married a Polish prince and was now Princess Lee, which
41:23
Speaker 1: you know, good for her, good for her. The following year,
41:27
Speaker 1: Jackie's pregnant again. When Jackie was going on European tours
41:31
Speaker 1: and whatnot with her husband, she was woming dignitaries because
41:34
Speaker 1: you know, she was fluent in many languages. She was
41:38
Speaker 1: unassuming but also you know, witty and intelligent. And when
41:42
Speaker 1: she's doing official tours on her own like this one,
41:45
Speaker 1: the crowds are massive, Like you'd think they were waiting
41:50
Speaker 1: for like the Queen or the President himself, but they're
41:53
Speaker 1: there for her.
41:54
Speaker 2: Like she is such a massive, massive draw.
41:59
Speaker 1: But yeah, back on home turf, back in the States,
42:01
Speaker 1: back in the White House, the first Lady, Jacqueline Kennedy,
42:05
Speaker 1: she basically initiates initiates this bill because what was happening
42:12
Speaker 1: is like former presidents who were in the White House
42:15
Speaker 1: when they left, they would just take something they liked
42:17
Speaker 1: with them, And she was like, that's not cool. Everything
42:21
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be in the White House should be
42:24
Speaker 1: in the white House. So she wants to like have
42:28
Speaker 1: everything in the White House become property of the Smithsonian
42:32
Speaker 1: Institution and not like you can't just take it when you.
42:36
Speaker 2: Go, mate, you know.
42:38
Speaker 1: So she founds the White House Historical Association, the Committee
42:43
Speaker 1: for the Preservation of the White House. She also makes
42:46
Speaker 1: the position of the Curator of the White House, the
42:51
Speaker 1: White House Endowment Trust, and the White House Acquisition Trust,
42:56
Speaker 1: and she ends up like sourcing and finding donors for
43:00
Speaker 1: like all of these historical artifacts for them to be
43:04
Speaker 1: brought back to the White House, you know. And it's
43:10
Speaker 1: not just the White House itself that she really takes
43:13
Speaker 1: hold of, in control of. She becomes very in control
43:20
Speaker 1: of how she and her family are presented. So she
43:25
Speaker 1: was very very particular about when and where her children
43:29
Speaker 1: were going to be like photographed, and she rarely made
43:34
Speaker 1: any sort of public statements that she was very much reserved.
43:39
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty three, Jackie announces she's pregnant again. So
43:44
Speaker 1: after the birth of John F. Kennedy Junior, she had
43:47
Speaker 1: to recuperate I think for like two months. It was
43:50
Speaker 1: a great deal of time for her to get to
43:53
Speaker 1: get back in sort of decent health. So she's very
43:58
Speaker 1: much being careful this time out, and she goes kok
44:01
Speaker 1: anny on most of her you know, first Lady Jerry's
44:05
Speaker 1: meaning she's going to stay home and rest and not
44:08
Speaker 1: join her husband on his European tour again. In a
44:11
Speaker 1: crazy random happenstance, her sister Lee is having a very
44:15
Speaker 1: open affair with Aristotle Onassis, whom the Kennedys fucking despise,
44:23
Speaker 1: Like Bobby Kennedy hates him, JFK hates him and they're
44:27
Speaker 1: convinced he's only seeing Lee because he wants to weasele
44:30
Speaker 1: his way into the White House. So when JFK has
44:34
Speaker 1: to go to Europe, it is suggested that Lee accompanies him.
44:39
Speaker 1: His sister in law accompanies him on this tour to
44:43
Speaker 1: accompany him to the UK, Italy, Germany and Ireland because
44:48
Speaker 1: like Jackie, she's like seven months pregnant at this point,
44:50
Speaker 1: and also they want to get Lei the fuck away
44:53
Speaker 1: from on Asses and so Lee very dutifully joins joins
45:00
Speaker 1: her brother in law. Unfortunately for them, their little plan
45:03
Speaker 1: didn't work because the moment that tour was over, Lee
45:07
Speaker 1: fucked off back to on Nassis and things are about
45:10
Speaker 1: to get bad to worse for the Kennedy family. On
45:13
Speaker 1: the seventh of August nineteen sixty three, Patrick Bouvie Kennedy
45:18
Speaker 1: is born five weeks early and his lungs are underdeveloped,
45:23
Speaker 1: and so he has rushed to the Boston Children's Hospital.
45:27
Speaker 1: Jackie is being kept at an air base because she's
45:30
Speaker 1: had to have a c section, and JFK goes to
45:34
Speaker 1: the hospital with the baby. Unfortunately, two days later, baby
45:41
Speaker 1: Patrick dies. Unsurprisingly, Jackie is grieving and upset, and there
45:47
Speaker 1: are no words to convey the pain that she's feeling,
45:52
Speaker 1: and she does not want to have to go back
45:54
Speaker 1: to Washington. She can't face it. She just doesn't want
45:56
Speaker 1: to have to go through that. And so her sister
46:00
Speaker 1: asks Onnasas to invite Jackie onto his fucking million dollar yacht,
46:07
Speaker 1: and JFK literally gets down on one knee and begs
46:10
Speaker 1: Jackie not to go because he's really concerned about how
46:13
Speaker 1: this is gonna look, you know, But Jackie needs.
46:17
Speaker 2: To get out of there. She has to go.
46:19
Speaker 1: So she goes to the yacht, and for the most part,
46:22
Speaker 1: she's spending time with her sister. Like Onasis is generally
46:27
Speaker 1: on his in as we study in his business nook,
46:32
Speaker 1: doing work or whatever very rich people do, and Jackie
46:36
Speaker 1: is spending just a lot of time with her sister recuperating.
46:41
Speaker 1: And after a month away spending time with her sister
46:43
Speaker 1: in Europe, she returns back to the States. In November
46:48
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, the Kennedys are doing a tour of
46:51
Speaker 1: Texas and on the twenty second of November nineteen sixty three,
46:56
Speaker 1: Jackie and her husband are in an open top limo
47:01
Speaker 1: traveling through Elm Street in.
47:04
Speaker 2: Dallas, Texas.
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Speaker 1: They're smiling, waving. She's in her pink suit and pillbox hat,
47:11
Speaker 1: and everything just seems to be going like every other campaign,
47:15
Speaker 1: every other tour. JFK and the governor are shot and
47:20
Speaker 1: Jackie's beautiful pink suit was now splattered with her husband's brains.
47:26
Speaker 1: So JFK is shot at twelve thirty and at one
47:29
Speaker 1: pm he is announcetead. So at twenty to three that day,
47:35
Speaker 1: Jackie is a board Air Force one when Lyndon Johnson
47:38
Speaker 1: is sworn in as president, and she's still in the
47:41
Speaker 1: fucking suit. Instead of removing the bloodstained, brain splattered pink suit,
47:48
Speaker 1: she thought, fuck this for a game of soldiers. I
47:51
Speaker 1: want them to see what they did, which is what
47:54
Speaker 1: she called JFK. And she actually regretted washing the blood
47:58
Speaker 1: from her face because she really wanted everyone to see
48:03
Speaker 1: the impact of their actions. So three days later, Jfka's
48:07
Speaker 1: laid to rest and Bobby wants there to be an
48:10
Speaker 1: open casket, but Jackie demands a closed one because you know,
48:16
Speaker 1: his head was blown like there's just bits of skull missing,
48:20
Speaker 1: so she wanted it closed, and she got her way
48:25
Speaker 1: so Jackie and the kids they get two weeks grace
48:28
Speaker 1: of living in the White House. They get two extra
48:30
Speaker 1: weeks and then they're supposed to find somewhere else to
48:33
Speaker 1: live because London B. Johnson and Ladybird they have to
48:37
Speaker 1: move in because he's the new president. Remember, Jackie is
48:42
Speaker 1: nothing if not astute. So one week after her husband's assassination,
48:47
Speaker 1: she's meeting with a biographer from like Vanity Fair magazine
48:51
Speaker 1: and she cements the idea of the Kennedy Day administration
48:56
Speaker 1: as camelot. She's like, they'll never be an their camelot,
49:01
Speaker 1: and she creates this sort of or initiates at least
49:06
Speaker 1: the myth, because again she's not just a hat rack.
49:11
Speaker 1: So on the sixth of December, Jackie and the kids
49:13
Speaker 1: they move into a house in Georgetown after declining an
49:18
Speaker 1: offer by President Johnson to be the French ambassador for
49:21
Speaker 1: the White House. And of course she just wants to
49:23
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling again, so she's getting dumb stuff
49:26
Speaker 1: organized to build a library in honor of JFK. And
49:32
Speaker 1: in January she does this televised appearance to basically thank
49:35
Speaker 1: the public for, you know, all of their support and
49:39
Speaker 1: all of their will wishes everything like that. So Jackie
49:42
Speaker 1: ends up buying a house in Georgetown for her and
49:44
Speaker 1: the kids to live in, but it gets so much
49:47
Speaker 1: media attention that she ends up just moving back to
49:50
Speaker 1: New York. So Jackie at this point has undiagnosed PTSD
49:55
Speaker 1: and she's dealing with a lot of stuff, and she
49:58
Speaker 1: becomes incredibly reliant on and her brother in law Robert Kennedy,
50:03
Speaker 1: and Bobby is there for her and his niece and
50:05
Speaker 1: nephew until his own family and you know, being the
50:08
Speaker 1: Attorney General like really take its toll and he has
50:11
Speaker 1: to just focus his energy back there. So when Bobby
50:15
Speaker 1: decides to run for president himself, Jackie fully supported him,
50:19
Speaker 1: like she was worried something was going to happen to
50:21
Speaker 1: him because she felt there was like so much hatred
50:23
Speaker 1: in the world, and he was like, well maybe, but
50:26
Speaker 1: maybe I can do something good about it. So she's
50:28
Speaker 1: very happy for him, but she's worried, and then her
50:32
Speaker 1: worst fears are realized when he is assassinated at his
50:36
Speaker 1: own party.
50:37
Speaker 2: But after Bobby's death, like she sleeps back.
50:40
Speaker 1: Into a depression again, and she is getting paranoid because
50:45
Speaker 1: she's worried. If you know, they're killing Kennedy's then her
50:48
Speaker 1: children are next, and that's what she's worried about. So
50:52
Speaker 1: being the widow of a president, she has certain allowances,
50:56
Speaker 1: like she has Secret Service as her security, and she
51:00
Speaker 1: is very much seen as you know, JFK's widow, and
51:04
Speaker 1: she is expected by the public to stay JFK's widow.
51:10
Speaker 1: She decides she doesn't want to do that. She feels
51:12
Speaker 1: like she has to get out of the country, and
51:14
Speaker 1: so she goes to Europe. But before she buggers off
51:17
Speaker 1: to Europe, she's been dating this architect and things are
51:23
Speaker 1: going well, except at one point he realizes he cannot
51:27
Speaker 1: keep up with her lifestyle, and so he comes clean
51:30
Speaker 1: and he's like, Jackie, I'm six hundred and fifty thousand
51:34
Speaker 1: dollars in debt, and she's like, don't worry, we'll work
51:38
Speaker 1: it out, she says with a completely unemotional face. And
51:43
Speaker 1: at that point she comes to the realization that this
51:46
Speaker 1: isn't going to work with him because he cannot support her,
51:49
Speaker 1: and so she calls it off and buggers off to Europe.
51:53
Speaker 1: Now what happens is her sister Lee doesn't hear from her,
51:59
Speaker 1: you know how, also doesn't hear from her boyfriend, Aristotle Onassis,
52:05
Speaker 1: so she gets radio silence from these two people. So
52:08
Speaker 1: Jackie and Aristotle on Nassis they get engaged secretly, and
52:14
Speaker 1: Jackie has absolutely zero intention of telling her sister. Who
52:20
Speaker 1: does tell her though, is Onassis, Like he contacts her
52:25
Speaker 1: and he begs her to come to the wedding, you know,
52:29
Speaker 1: for her support, and you know what, Leah actually shows up.
52:35
Speaker 1: She comes to the wedding that is dysfunctional as fuck.
52:39
Speaker 1: And on the twentieth of October in nineteen sixty eight,
52:43
Speaker 1: Jackie married Aristotle Onasis on his private Greek island Scorpios.
52:51
Speaker 1: And after she gets married, she takes the name Jacqueline Onassis,
52:55
Speaker 1: which really upset a lot of people. They were mad
52:58
Speaker 1: she didn't keep just like the Jacqueline care Edy name,
53:01
Speaker 1: and instead of being called Jacqueline Nassis for the most part,
53:05
Speaker 1: she was just called Jackie. Oh. In fairness, they were
53:08
Speaker 1: just really really mad that she was no longer America's widow,
53:12
Speaker 1: right and because she'd moved on, they wanted her to
53:15
Speaker 1: stay in like this perpetual state of grief, you know,
53:19
Speaker 1: So she you know, she trades her legacy effectively as
53:24
Speaker 1: the American widow so she loses the protection from the
53:26
Speaker 1: US Secret Service, and she also loses her income from
53:29
Speaker 1: the Kennedy Trust, so she ends up with like and
53:34
Speaker 1: she basically organizes a dowry for herself. So she negotiates
53:39
Speaker 1: it so that she gets three million dollars plus a
53:43
Speaker 1: million for each of her children. On top of that,
53:47
Speaker 1: she gets two hundred and thousand dollars per year for
53:51
Speaker 1: her in the event of divorce or his death, so
53:57
Speaker 1: no matter what happened, she was going to be secure.
54:01
Speaker 1: So quite early on in their marriage, things are not
54:04
Speaker 1: going great because he very much wanted to display, you know,
54:10
Speaker 1: his wonderful wife, his trophy wife, towrs what you wanted
54:13
Speaker 1: to do, and she would not be displayed like she
54:16
Speaker 1: was there to be safe and to be you know,
54:19
Speaker 1: looked after. Because he's not happy with things the way
54:22
Speaker 1: things are going, he ends up visiting his former paramore,
54:26
Speaker 1: this opera singer, the very one who he had actually
54:30
Speaker 1: left to start dating Lee, Jacqueline's sister, and he arrives
54:35
Speaker 1: at her flat and he strips naked after dinner, refuses
54:39
Speaker 1: to leave, and she basically throws him out the apartment
54:43
Speaker 1: and she starts shouting at him shame on you on
54:47
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the death of your second wife's first husband,
54:51
Speaker 1: like it's the second anniversary of JFK's assassination. Of all times,
54:58
Speaker 1: to abandon your wife, that does seem like a bad one,
55:02
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's not all bad,
55:04
Speaker 1: because they have some good stuff going on. They have
55:07
Speaker 1: like six different residencies, so they're in Manhattan, in New Jersey,
55:15
Speaker 1: and Scorpios and Athens and of course like the yacht
55:19
Speaker 1: oh in an apartment in Paris. And with all this
55:23
Speaker 1: newfound wealth, this extra money, she really gets to set
55:28
Speaker 1: up and champion, you know, restoration foundations. So throughout her
55:33
Speaker 1: marriage to Aristotle Nassis, she wants to ensure her children
55:37
Speaker 1: still have a connection to the Kennedys.
55:39
Speaker 2: So they're still visit.
55:40
Speaker 1: In Ted and Ted's was in them, and they're still
55:42
Speaker 1: connected through the uncle Ted. And she also very much
55:47
Speaker 1: used Ted for her public appearances to still connect her
55:51
Speaker 1: with the Kennedys. In nineteen seventy three, Aristotle's son dies
55:56
Speaker 1: tragically in a plane crash which absolutely wrecked his father.
56:01
Speaker 1: Aristotle Has health started to decline severely after the death
56:06
Speaker 1: of his son, and in nineteen seventy five, he passes
56:10
Speaker 1: away from respiratory failure, like at the age of sixty
56:15
Speaker 1: nine in Paris, he's gone. And when he passes away, like,
56:20
Speaker 1: Greece has some really strict rules regarding like finances and
56:24
Speaker 1: inheritance from Greeks to non Greeks, so it was a
56:28
Speaker 1: very limited amount that Jacqueline could could have inherited. And
56:34
Speaker 1: for like two years, there's like legal wrangling going back
56:37
Speaker 1: and forth, and she eventually after an agreement with Aristotle's daughter,
56:45
Speaker 1: she receives twenty six million dollars on the agreement that
56:50
Speaker 1: she waives all rights to like every other part of
56:53
Speaker 1: like the Onassis estate, and she's like, yeah, let's fine,
56:56
Speaker 1: I'll take my twenty six million and go thanks by.
56:59
Speaker 1: But after her second husband's death in seventy five, she
57:02
Speaker 1: heads back to the States. So she's sort of floating
57:05
Speaker 1: between like Manhattan, Martha's Vineyard, the Kennedy Compound, and she's
57:11
Speaker 1: just kind of going between these and she ends up
57:14
Speaker 1: getting a job as an editor at Viking Press, and
57:20
Speaker 1: she's there for about two years. The reason that she
57:23
Speaker 1: resigns from Viking Press is because it's assumed that she's
57:27
Speaker 1: involved with approving Jeffrey Archer's book Shall We Tell the President,
57:32
Speaker 1: which involves like a fictional future with a Kennedy president
57:35
Speaker 1: who's talking about his own attempted assassination. And she wasn't
57:40
Speaker 1: about that, so she just resigned and she ends up
57:43
Speaker 1: getting a gig with Double Day as an associate editor.
57:48
Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy nine, Edward Kennedy known as Ted,
57:52
Speaker 1: he announces he's running for president and Jackie is supporting
57:56
Speaker 1: him and she's involved in the campaign and everything, but
57:59
Speaker 1: it is unsuccessful. Then on the twentieth of October nineteen
58:03
Speaker 1: seventy nine, the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum is
58:07
Speaker 1: officially opened. So she had started working on the plant,
58:11
Speaker 1: so that what in nineteen sixty three, and it's nineteen
58:14
Speaker 1: seventy nine, so it took what was it, sixteen years
58:18
Speaker 1: to make this happen. And while she's in New York,
58:21
Speaker 1: she is heavily involved in like restoration and preservation. So
58:25
Speaker 1: she leads this historic preservation campaign to basically save the
58:29
Speaker 1: Grand Central Terminal from being demolished, and it's all about
58:34
Speaker 1: renovating the structure. She also is involved in these massive
58:39
Speaker 1: protests against skyscrapers at Columbus Circle, which would basically overshadow
58:45
Speaker 1: Central Park, so that gets canceled. And all the while
58:50
Speaker 1: that she's doing all of her good days and fixing
58:52
Speaker 1: things and whatnot and stopping Chit being built, she is
58:56
Speaker 1: being harassed by this fucking paparatzi. She has to get
59:00
Speaker 1: a restraining order against him. So this really starts highlighting
59:05
Speaker 1: what paparazzi are and what they're doing, and she kind
59:09
Speaker 1: of like focuses a lens on that. But it's not
59:12
Speaker 1: all doom and gloom for Jackie. And eighty two she
59:15
Speaker 1: gets a promotion to the senior editor with Doubleday Publishing,
59:20
Speaker 1: and she's there for twelve years, and during this time,
59:26
Speaker 1: her daughter Caroline becomes the president of the John F.
59:29
Speaker 1: Kennedy Library Foundation. Her mom dies from complications from Alzheimer's,
59:37
Speaker 1: so Caroline becomes the president of the foundation in eighty seven.
59:42
Speaker 1: Jackie's mom dies in eighty nine, and when the nineteen
59:47
Speaker 1: nineties roll around, Jackie actually reaches out to the Clintons
59:52
Speaker 1: in a way that she hadn't actually reached out to
59:55
Speaker 1: any sort of Democratic candidates. And then a good unk
1:00:00
Speaker 1: of time because Hillary is asking her advice on how
1:00:04
Speaker 1: to raise a child in the White House, and Jackie's
1:00:07
Speaker 1: just constantly giving her like tips and information and support,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: and she's there and she's supporting Bill Clinton when he
1:00:17
Speaker 1: you know, he's campaigning to become president. Then in nineteen
1:00:22
Speaker 1: ninety three, but things start going downhill for Jackie in
1:00:25
Speaker 1: ninety three when she's on a fox hunt.
1:00:29
Speaker 2: That's right, a fox hunt in the nineties.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: She's on a horse and she gets thrown from a horse. Naturally,
1:00:38
Speaker 1: doctors want to look over check her, make sure everything's
1:00:40
Speaker 1: like fine, she's not broken. But as they're examining her,
1:00:44
Speaker 1: they find like a swollen lymph node. So yeah, they
1:00:47
Speaker 1: discover the swollen lymph node in her groin and they
1:00:51
Speaker 1: think it's just part of some infection. But then after
1:00:54
Speaker 1: this like accident, like things start deteriorating, like six months
1:00:59
Speaker 1: to the line, things are dodgy as fuck. They're finding
1:01:03
Speaker 1: more lymph nodes, they're finding like she's got all these
1:01:07
Speaker 1: other symptoms from like stomach aches and pains and all
1:01:12
Speaker 1: this shit. And they do more tests and they discover
1:01:16
Speaker 1: she has non Hodgkin lymphoma, which is.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Blood cancer for those who I don't know.
1:01:23
Speaker 1: And she ends up having chemotherapy and she publicly announces
1:01:29
Speaker 1: that she has cancer and like, and she's being like
1:01:33
Speaker 1: very optimistic about it.
1:01:34
Speaker 2: Like the initial prognosis is good.
1:01:37
Speaker 1: Things are going all right because she's still working at
1:01:40
Speaker 1: Double Day and everything. But then it becomes very clear
1:01:44
Speaker 1: that the cancer has spread. It's in her spine and
1:01:47
Speaker 1: it's in her brain, so it gets into her like liver,
1:01:54
Speaker 1: and at that point they're just like it's terminal, Like
1:01:57
Speaker 1: at this point, it's palliative care. So by May of
1:02:03
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, like everything has to be put in place,
1:02:08
Speaker 1: like she knows that she's going to be goings in
1:02:11
Speaker 1: and of course she wants to be home. So on
1:02:14
Speaker 1: the eighteenth of May nineteen ninety four, she is taken
1:02:18
Speaker 1: home from the Cornell Medical Center at New York Hospital,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: and on the nineteenth at ten fifteen pm, Jacqueline Lee
1:02:30
Speaker 1: Bouvier Kenneday or Nassis passes away surrounded by friends and
1:02:38
Speaker 1: her children, and her funeral takes place at the same
1:02:41
Speaker 1: church that she was baptized and confirmed in, and then
1:02:46
Speaker 1: her body is taken to Arlington Cemetery where she is
1:02:48
Speaker 1: buried beside her husband and her deceased children. And that
1:02:54
Speaker 1: is the story of Jackie Kennedy or the story of
1:02:58
Speaker 1: Jackie O.
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