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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, while you're talking, I suddenly realized
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Speaker 3: as well that there are some spoil sports out there
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Speaker 3: I said earlier, and try to pursue some sort of action.
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Speaker 3: on record now, folks, because we live in a litigious world,
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Speaker 3: and we live in a world where people are concerned
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Speaker 3: about those sorts of things. But what I was thinking about,
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Speaker 3: Matt was this. I was thinking about the idea of retirement,
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Speaker 3: because you know, we all go to work, and we
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Speaker 3: work our jobs, and as we get older, we think, boy,
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Speaker 3: I wish I could retire I wish I could just
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Speaker 3: retire from this job, no matter what it is, no
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Speaker 3: matter what you do, even if you love what you do,
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Speaker 3: A job is a job, and you think, boy, wouldn't
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Speaker 3: it be grand to retire? But I was trying to
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Speaker 3: think in terms of the galaxy of Star Wars, how
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Speaker 3: the hell would that even work? Do people retire? Could
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Speaker 3: people retire? Like we go into a lot of stuff
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Speaker 3: about banking clans and corporate sectors and techno union armies
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. What does retirement look like in
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Speaker 3: Star Wars? Does anybody actually retire?
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Speaker 2: I mean, Dagoba, Dagoba?
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Speaker 3: What about Digay? Are you talking about real estate? Are
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Speaker 3: you talking about investigat? Isn't?
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Speaker 2: Isn't Yoda basically retired? I mean, you know it goes
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Speaker 2: into exile.
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Speaker 3: It's a joke.
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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 3: No, I know, I know this is a joke.
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Speaker 2: He's retired.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, some dirty old hippie living out in the desert.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about people living in the coroissant stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, so we brought this up before, but
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Speaker 2: you know, you think of so we see on like
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Speaker 2: and or there is like a planet where people go
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Speaker 2: it's like a pleasure type planet, you know, you think
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Speaker 2: of like in Star Wars like a Riza or something
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Speaker 2: like that. So in Star Trek like Risa something like that,
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Speaker 2: you know, there's that. You know, we also saw the
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Speaker 2: planet in Skeleton Crew. You know that you go to
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Speaker 2: the big planet that's got the the waterful mud baths,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it's the pampering of a galaxy, right,
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Speaker 2: And so I think to myself self, do they just
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Speaker 2: have a retirement planet in Star Wars? Like you know,
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Speaker 2: if you come up to the Pacific Northwest, John, which
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Speaker 2: you visited, I don't know if you noticed, but there
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Speaker 2: are a lot of retirement communities here in the Pacific Northwest.
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Speaker 2: Part of that is because we have a mild winter
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Speaker 2: for the most part, you have a great summer. It's
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Speaker 2: a great place to live in retirement communities. You live
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Speaker 2: in Florida, which is known for retirements, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, kind of an industry down here exactly.
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Speaker 2: You know, Arizona has a retirement community for the snow
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Speaker 2: bunnies who moved down there for half of the year
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Speaker 2: so they can be the winter there in the summer
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Speaker 2: in like Colorado or whatever. So doesn't Star Wars have
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Speaker 2: to kind of have this. I mean, uh, is the
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Speaker 2: planet like Geriatrics or something and and and that's where
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Speaker 2: just everybody goes. You get stell with an X, right, exactly,
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Speaker 2: a lot of X isold on.
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Speaker 3: That's not gotting crazy with the xes here.
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Speaker 2: All my exes live in Texas, but but actually they
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Speaker 2: live on Geriatrics, live in Geriatrics.
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Speaker 3: I love this. Somebody go out to AI and make
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Speaker 3: a song out of this. It's gonna be a great
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Speaker 3: country Star Wars song, that would be.
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Speaker 2: But so I I mean, I can imagine that, or
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Speaker 2: or just even thinking of you know, you think about
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Speaker 2: different planets that we visited in Star Wars. I mean,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't a retirement community on Naboo probably be really popular
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Speaker 2: because of just the beauty of the planet again, seems
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Speaker 2: to have a very temperate climate, uh, you know, And
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Speaker 2: so I don't. It is interesting because we don't really
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Speaker 2: necessarily see a lot of people in that age range
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Speaker 2: in Star Wars either. I think that's the interesting part
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Speaker 2: is that that's true.
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Speaker 3: Actually, you know, so many thought in.
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Speaker 2: Star Wars that we meet aren't really necessarily that old.
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Speaker 2: I mean, unless you count like a Count Dookoo or
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Speaker 2: a you know, or a Palpatine himself, and yet at
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Speaker 2: that point, you know, they still seem to be probably
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Speaker 2: in their sixties or seventies, and therefore, you know, still
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Speaker 2: have a lot of life left in them. People also
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Speaker 2: seem to live a long time in the Star Wars galaxy.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, John, when you were thinking about this topic,
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Speaker 2: what kind of brought you to this thought process and
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Speaker 2: what were you thinking about this idea?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, honestly, I really like where you're going,
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Speaker 3: because there would be if we have pleasure planets and
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Speaker 3: we have casino planets and stuff like that, there would
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Speaker 3: have to be planets where their whole industry was a
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Speaker 3: retirement community industry. Because we have you know, planetary industry
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Speaker 3: very readily apparent. So it would be very interesting to
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Speaker 3: see what that planet would be like.
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Speaker 2: Do you take care of a retired hut?
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Speaker 3: Now? See, no, I definitely don't, so I would say that.
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Speaker 3: But see the thing is that gets into my other thing,
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Speaker 3: right because you know the huts, Okay, the huts are
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Speaker 3: you know, stereotypically they're known for being gangsters, money, all
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Speaker 3: of that type of stuff. But retirement means you quit
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Speaker 3: working and you you are now just living off the
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Speaker 3: fruits of your labor. What you could manage to save
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Speaker 3: up so that you could enjoy the tail end of
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Speaker 3: your existence.
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Speaker 2: I see what you did there, So.
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Speaker 3: They like, how would that work? Because we've never seen
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Speaker 3: like a stock market in Star Wars. We know there
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Speaker 3: were core operations, there must be investments, but we've talked
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Speaker 3: about the economics of the galaxy before, So I'm just thinking, like,
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Speaker 3: how would anybody save up for retirement? How would Han
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Speaker 3: Solo ever retire? How would Han Solo ever say, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to stop smuggling? Or is he smuggling till
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Speaker 3: his dying day if he doesn't find the rebellion? Right? Like?
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Speaker 3: Is is somebody just destined to work until they absolutely
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Speaker 3: can't move their hands again in any way? Or are
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Speaker 3: we dealing with something where I'm where we're off the
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Speaker 3: rails and retirement is actually very easy in Star Wars
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Speaker 3: because there's such robust public service. But that wouldn't take
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Speaker 3: into account the outer rim versus the core planets and
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Speaker 3: stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: You know, I would think that if we have a
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Speaker 2: banking plan, that there probably is some sort of stock
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Speaker 2: trader market for different corporations, you know, different companies and
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I'm guessing that there would be
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Speaker 2: that on individual planets, but there would probably be that
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Speaker 2: on a galactic scale as well for the republic itself.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're on a planet like Tattooine, the
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Speaker 2: thought process that you're probably going to ever be able
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Speaker 2: to retire is like nil, right, I mean, that's like
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Speaker 2: and in that sense, I think it's much like the
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Speaker 2: world we have today. You know, there are going to
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Speaker 2: be places in the world where people are never going
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Speaker 2: to actually be able to think of this idea of retirement.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and what's fascinating about that is that really
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Speaker 2: that's an idea that is only as we exist now,
10:46
Speaker 2: what maybe maybe one hundred years old maybe because good point.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's an industrial society sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: Exactly right, you know, and a decadent society thing. And
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Speaker 2: so my thought process in this is that, you know,
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Speaker 2: with the Star Wars galaxy, you know, it's not like
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Speaker 2: the Star Trek galaxy where you have like a replicator
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Speaker 2: that just can create out of matter food and things
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Speaker 2: you need and those kind of things. You know, the
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Speaker 2: Star Wars galaxy is one where it seems like people
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Speaker 2: have to have actual jobs you know that that can
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Speaker 2: create a service that can be a part of an
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Speaker 2: economy that you know, I mean, we really live in
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Speaker 2: a much more realistic society in that sense. And so
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Speaker 2: and yet what life would look like in the sense
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Speaker 2: of would that be something that people value, because I
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Speaker 2: think that would be another thing planet by planet and
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Speaker 2: species by species. In the Star Wars galaxy, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that there would be different societies that would value hard
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Speaker 2: work until you die basically, But then there might be
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Speaker 2: societies where it's like, yeah, you know, we worked really hard,
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Speaker 2: now we're going to spend the list in twenty years
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Speaker 2: just really living it up kind of thing. And I
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Speaker 2: think that would be interesting to kind of parse through.
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Speaker 2: Then what are the societies that would probably be like that?
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Speaker 2: And one are the ones that would just be like, well, no,
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Speaker 2: that's a waste of time. You know, you're not you
12:22
Speaker 2: don't have any purpose or value in that. And so
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Speaker 2: I think with the galaxy as big as Star Wars,
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Speaker 2: it would be so varied as to who would want
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Speaker 2: to retire and who wouldn't. And then the question is,
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Speaker 2: you know, what would that look like and would you
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Speaker 2: maybe have on Naboo per se a retirement community that
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Speaker 2: caters to people who want to retire, but it's not
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Speaker 2: necessarily people from Naboo who want to do that. You
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Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, Like it's a it's a way.
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Speaker 2: It's an industry that allows then people on Naboo to
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Speaker 2: continue to work and make money, but that's not necessarily
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Speaker 2: their value.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think maybe part of it is
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Speaker 3: that Lucas himself grew up in a in a time
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Speaker 3: where it was still I literally save money in a
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Speaker 3: bank until such a time as I retire, versus the
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Speaker 3: more modern, admittedly western quote unquote mindset of I'm going
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Speaker 3: to be instead of having a pension, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: be tricked into, you know, being as vested in the
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Speaker 3: stock market as you know, the the the tech barons
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Because I mean that, you know,
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Speaker 3: that's what a four oh one k is. It's like
13:46
Speaker 3: tie you to the stock market, like you're you're no
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Speaker 3: longer tied to a pension. You're no longer tied to
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Speaker 3: real monetary you know, inflationary and deflationary sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: You're tied to the success of the stock market now,
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Speaker 3: which can be dispiriting and sort of stuff. But like
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Speaker 3: you know, Star Wars is born from the mind of
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Speaker 3: a man who still knew the idea of I don't
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Speaker 3: trust the stock market that much. I trust saving and
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Speaker 3: keeping things. But to speak to your point, let's say
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Speaker 3: each planet figures that out. There's no central government sort
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Speaker 3: of thing that has created rules and regulations to encourage
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Speaker 3: the intergalactic stock market. I don't even know how an
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Speaker 3: intergalactic stock trade would work, right, I don't even understand
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Speaker 3: how our stock trade works.
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Speaker 2: You think about that, and you do kind of have
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Speaker 2: to think about how would that work, especially on one planet.
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Speaker 2: It's one day, it's one time, Yeah, exactly, so that
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Speaker 2: would Yes, the realities of that are.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the stock trader on Utapal would keep the hour like.
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Speaker 3: He wouldn't work like nine to five. He would work
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Speaker 3: from you know, like three am to you know to
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Speaker 3: eleven pm because that he'd had to keep up with
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Speaker 3: all of the exchanges that went live and everything. But
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Speaker 3: setting that aside, right, to come back to your question,
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Speaker 3: somebody comes from off planet and they're like, Okay, I
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Speaker 3: have saved money. However they saved it. I have X
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Speaker 3: amount of money to spend so that I can live
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Speaker 3: in luxury on naboo in my in my sun set years. Okay, cool,
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Speaker 3: But then that person's coming in with what currency they
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Speaker 3: have to Let's say they're on a local uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: a local savings plan. They've got to come over. They've
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Speaker 3: got to transfer all of that to Republic credits or
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Speaker 3: something that Naboo accepts. How on earth would you save
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Speaker 3: enough for retirement knowing what the value of a Republic
15:48
Speaker 3: credit is going to be on you know, Corellia in
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Speaker 3: thirty years. I have no idea what that's going to
15:57
Speaker 3: be worth. It could be worth something different. What if
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Speaker 3: Corellia decides to secede. I mean, think about the tumult
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Speaker 3: that happens with the Clone Wars, where those planets decide
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Speaker 3: to succeede. They have to create their own monetary system
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Speaker 3: at that point. That has to be a completely different
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Speaker 3: way of handling money. Like, and I know it's weird
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Speaker 3: that I'm sort of like fixating on this, but like,
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Speaker 3: the whole idea of retirement is hinged on the idea
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Speaker 3: that there's a universally recognized and accepted value to whatever
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Speaker 3: currency I have, and it is worth X amount when
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Speaker 3: I retire, and I don't know I guess just as
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Speaker 3: I get closer to that age, like, it just sort
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Speaker 3: of like occurs to me where I'm like, it would
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Speaker 3: be impossible for this to work in Star Wars, wouldn't it.
16:44
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody could retire. I don't think it's
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Speaker 3: even a possibility unless they win the lottery, And that
16:48
Speaker 3: opens up a whole other question of hell a lottery
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Speaker 3: even work in Star Wars.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know, as you're talking through this,
16:59
Speaker 2: as we're kind of batting this around, what it does
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Speaker 2: go to show is that one of the ways in
17:05
Speaker 2: which retirement would would work is on specific planets, right,
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Speaker 2: because you could plan for retirement in a way that
17:14
Speaker 2: would make sense that you would be able to forecast right,
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Speaker 2: currency wise, you wouldn't be having any of those issues,
17:22
Speaker 2: you know. I think you speaking to the idea of
17:25
Speaker 2: you know, you think of the timilt that happens because
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Speaker 2: of the Clone Wars and then the Empire and all that.
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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, obviously during the time of the Empire,
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Speaker 2: it would actually be you know, much easier to possibly
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Speaker 2: retire in those thirty years because you know, the currency
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Speaker 2: is across the board, it's going to be the same
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Speaker 2: and so that wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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Speaker 2: But then you get to the new Republic era, right,
17:56
Speaker 2: and right back to this idea of you know what
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Speaker 2: happens if the new Republic falls and you know what
18:03
Speaker 2: about currency? And then of course it does and you
18:05
Speaker 2: end up with you know, the first order, and so
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Speaker 2: I mean there's all of these things could work. I mean,
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Speaker 2: like a stock market. You could have a stock marketing
18:15
Speaker 2: course ont that that stock trades all of the major companies.
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Speaker 3: Right, uh.
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Speaker 2: And you know your role then as a hedge fund
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Speaker 2: manager for people is to make sure that you're investing
18:30
Speaker 2: well so they get a good return somewhat similar to
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Speaker 2: what happens now, right, but it's specific to major places
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Speaker 2: of industry and capital. Right, So Corussant or you know,
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Speaker 2: something like the banking clan planet which I forget the
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Speaker 2: name of of what it is, it's Skipio munialists.
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Speaker 3: Well, well there's mutalists. There is Scipio as well, though,
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Speaker 3: but I know that the mune is who we see. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you're right.
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Speaker 2: And then and then you know a place probably like
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Speaker 2: Mgido and other places like that were big centers, right.
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Speaker 2: I think those are places where that you could see
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Speaker 2: that be a possibility. But I think that you kind
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Speaker 2: of talking about this idea of the Lucas as the
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Speaker 2: creator in the thought process behind you know, when he
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Speaker 2: grew up.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think the other thing that as you were you
19:29
Speaker 2: were talking through all of that, I started to think
19:31
Speaker 2: about what Star Wars is based off of and really
19:37
Speaker 2: digging into those Curasawa films, right and there, what do
19:42
Speaker 2: we see? You know, you see something like your Jimbo, right,
19:46
Speaker 2: it's the the Ronan type warrior who goes and helps
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Speaker 2: save a planet. He's an older guy, right, He's not retired.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: You also see the aged warriors in something like Hidden
19:58
Speaker 2: Fortress or something. They're not tired. And so in some ways,
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Speaker 2: I think our thought process here is is in the
20:11
Speaker 2: Star Wars galaxy has a more classical thought process to it.
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Speaker 2: I think where retirement wouldn't be what people would think of.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm tracking because I suddenly realized as you're
20:26
Speaker 3: saying that you've teased it out. I'm talking about how Lucas,
20:29
Speaker 3: you know, he understood a generation that was more about
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Speaker 3: like savings. And you know, I'm keeping a nest egg
20:34
Speaker 3: and I'm hiding it in my mag blah blah blah blah,
20:36
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff. You're hitting on another corollary
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Speaker 3: of that, like you know something that works with that,
20:42
Speaker 3: which is the idea of having to be self sufficient
20:46
Speaker 3: in my sunset years was kind of foreign until fairly recently,
20:54
Speaker 3: because your family would take care of you, you would
20:57
Speaker 3: live with your family, you would have multi generational households.
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Speaker 3: And that's what's becoming rarer in modern society. As the
21:08
Speaker 3: lens through which you and I look at it, obviously,
21:11
Speaker 3: you know, if we have any aggressive negotiations listeners in
21:14
Speaker 3: areas where I'm way off base, we invite you to
21:18
Speaker 3: reach out to us at the nerd party dot com,
21:20
Speaker 3: slash contact by all means, or at the Jedi Masters
21:23
Speaker 3: on x Twitter, whatever. But like in the sense that
21:30
Speaker 3: we're talking about it here, Star Wars is a galaxy.
21:33
Speaker 3: I think this is what betrays. This is what's starting
21:35
Speaker 3: to become foreign to us as we watch Star Wars.
21:39
Speaker 3: It was built on the idea that people didn't take
21:43
Speaker 3: older family members and say, okay, great, you had a
21:46
Speaker 3: good run, go live somewhere else and do your thing.
21:51
Speaker 3: And the older family members weren't a generation who said,
21:57
Speaker 3: oh I worked really hard. Now everybody I'm going to
21:59
Speaker 3: go off and live somewhere else, because everybody was defined
22:02
Speaker 3: by that family cohesion, which we've come back to when
22:07
Speaker 3: Lucas was in charge of Star Wars and a lot
22:10
Speaker 3: of times in the animation that we look at and
22:12
Speaker 3: the you know, the Mandalorian as well, it's about it
22:15
Speaker 3: may be about found family, but it's about family. It's
22:19
Speaker 3: about sticking together that you take care of your kith
22:23
Speaker 3: and kin, and that maybe is why Star Wars it's
22:28
Speaker 3: hard to wrap our heads around retirement as we understand
22:31
Speaker 3: it in Star Wars, because the built in presumption is
22:35
Speaker 3: you took care of each other. That's just the way
22:39
Speaker 3: that it was. And we're entering a phase maybe where
22:44
Speaker 3: it's becoming odder to think of it that way that,
22:48
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm thinking in terms of like, oh,
22:50
Speaker 3: I'm going to go off to a home, or I'm
22:51
Speaker 3: going to go live in a different place or something
22:53
Speaker 3: like that. This idea of no longer tying a permanent
22:57
Speaker 3: identity to you know, to the friends and family I've
23:01
Speaker 3: been around my whole life, it's a it's a totally
23:04
Speaker 3: different mindset maybe.
23:06
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that there's another possibility too, that
23:09
Speaker 2: maybe we haven't really explored just yet. But if you're
23:15
Speaker 2: in the Star Wars galaxy, you know, maybe the process
23:18
Speaker 2: as well, you're you're saving up a certain amount of money,
23:23
Speaker 2: so that not that you could stop working, but that
23:26
Speaker 2: maybe you could switch careers and do a thing to
23:29
Speaker 2: where I don't have to work as hard, but I
23:33
Speaker 2: also maybe get to do something that I truly love, right,
23:37
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I get to open up a you know,
23:42
Speaker 2: colo cowfish, you know, food truck on taboo, you know,
23:47
Speaker 2: or or something like that.
23:49
Speaker 3: Sister's dad, Who's Who's restaurant?
23:53
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Uh So that's something to which because
24:01
Speaker 2: I think that there is this kind of much older
24:06
Speaker 2: value in the Star Wars galaxy that is very much
24:11
Speaker 2: tied to the thought process of virtue and purpose and
24:21
Speaker 2: being kind of purpose driven in what we do, and
24:26
Speaker 2: that is something that you don't really see a lot
24:31
Speaker 2: in today's society because so many of us are so
24:36
Speaker 2: driven by me, me, me, And I think that's the
24:42
Speaker 2: other part of this too, is that, you know, Lucas
24:45
Speaker 2: was very particular about the idea that Star Wars is
24:49
Speaker 2: to show us that, you know, the difference between the
24:52
Speaker 2: selfish life and the selfless life and that one is
24:54
Speaker 2: better than the other. And I think in some ways,
25:01
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to just throw a ton
25:03
Speaker 2: of people under the bus, but I do believe that
25:06
Speaker 2: the rise of retirement has been because the rise of
25:17
Speaker 2: selfishness in our society as a whole has grown. I
25:22
Speaker 2: want to do what I want to do, and I
25:25
Speaker 2: want to get to that point in life where nobody
25:27
Speaker 2: can tell me what to do and I get to
25:29
Speaker 2: do whatever it is I want to do without having
25:31
Speaker 2: to worry about it. And in a lot of ways,
25:34
Speaker 2: that's such a self focused thing. And so therefore, I
25:39
Speaker 2: think the idea of retirement in that sense and truly
25:45
Speaker 2: kind of a you know, I would say, in a
25:47
Speaker 2: very American type sense, is something that I don't know
25:52
Speaker 2: if it necessarily fits with the entire philosophical outlook of
25:59
Speaker 2: the Star Wars Union verse in general. Is that does
26:02
Speaker 2: that resonate at all?
26:03
Speaker 3: No, I I do. I get what you're I get
26:06
Speaker 3: what you're saying there. I get what you're saying there.
26:09
Speaker 3: That yeah, Okause the idea that I'm hoarding money for
26:14
Speaker 3: the future and putting it in a four one K
26:17
Speaker 3: that is supposed to grow in value based on the
26:19
Speaker 3: idea that I mean, basically, I've been tied into sustaining
26:24
Speaker 3: the system, whether I agree with it or not, and
26:27
Speaker 3: I have no choice but to do it. So like, now,
26:32
Speaker 3: let's move that aside, because we get into weird territory.
26:35
Speaker 3: If I keep pushing down that that late that's that's
26:38
Speaker 3: that's really weird. I keep crawling down that rabbit hole.
26:41
Speaker 3: But I dig what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
26:48
Speaker 3: Let me throw this noodler to you, because we're talking
26:51
Speaker 3: about the you know, the theoretical, the larger sense of stuff.
26:55
Speaker 3: So let's bring it back down to the particular Tattoine Watto.
27:02
Speaker 3: We see Watto ten years after the Phantom Menace. He
27:05
Speaker 3: hasn't retired. Watto seems like he's a little bit older,
27:09
Speaker 3: seems like he's he's aged a bit. He's not a
27:11
Speaker 3: young toy Darian anymore. What would retirement even look like
27:18
Speaker 3: for Watto? Would he ever stop working? Or is he
27:22
Speaker 3: forever going to be stuck in that little shop eking
27:26
Speaker 3: out whatever existence he can simply by fixing and reselling parts.
27:34
Speaker 3: Does he ever get a break? Does he ever get
27:36
Speaker 3: to slow down and say, you know what, these these
27:41
Speaker 3: I'm an older toy Darian, I got maybe ten twenty
27:45
Speaker 3: years left. I'm just gonna stop working. I'm just going
27:47
Speaker 3: to live off the fruits of my labor. Now. Obviously
27:51
Speaker 3: easy out from that answer is Watta was a degenerate
27:56
Speaker 3: gambler and he was never going to have a nest
27:59
Speaker 3: egg because he kept gambling it away. But let's say
28:02
Speaker 3: Watto learned theoretically, what would that look like? What would
28:07
Speaker 3: it look like for wu Hair? You're running the canteena right,
28:12
Speaker 3: does he ever stop?
28:13
Speaker 2: Never would never leave that place? Wu Hair will be,
28:17
Speaker 2: will die, and he will be like Professor Binns in
28:21
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, where his spirit will just immediately continue serving drinks.
28:26
Speaker 3: But will be Arthur's spirit from the Star Wars Holiday
28:30
Speaker 3: Special will be there along with him.
28:32
Speaker 2: A helmet is still available, then yes, she will be.
28:40
Speaker 3: He is eternal. Yes, yes, Wow, that is.
28:43
Speaker 2: Such an old joke. And if anybody gets them listening
28:45
Speaker 2: to this, please let us know, because wow, that is
28:50
Speaker 2: that's like deep in podcast.
28:53
Speaker 3: Lore and a previous podcast of yours.
28:57
Speaker 2: Wow.
28:58
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yes, no, I.
29:02
Speaker 2: Like thinking about those characters, Like, right again, I could
29:08
Speaker 2: totally see Watto being a character who wanted to amass
29:12
Speaker 2: a lot of money so that basically he could live
29:15
Speaker 2: a life that allowed him to be able to do
29:18
Speaker 2: whatever he wanted. In fact, I think we could even
29:22
Speaker 2: surmise from watching The Phantom Menace that, you know, one
29:24
Speaker 2: of the reasons he's running this shop, one of the
29:27
Speaker 2: reasons he's trying to have a successful pod in the
29:31
Speaker 2: Pod Races, is to allow him to amass enough money
29:35
Speaker 2: that he could do something of the of that kind.
29:40
Speaker 2: You know, I think, you know, there's that scene in
29:45
Speaker 2: Phantom Menace, you know, where where Subolba is getting pampered
29:48
Speaker 2: by some twelick ladies, and you know, I think the
29:54
Speaker 2: you know, jealousy probably on Watto's face looking at something
29:58
Speaker 2: like that is pretty strong. And so you know, I
30:02
Speaker 2: could totally see people wanting that, and and and you
30:05
Speaker 2: know again, you know, you see these people who, like
30:08
Speaker 2: again we talked about the Hut Clans or things like that,
30:11
Speaker 2: where they're trying to amass this amount of money and
30:14
Speaker 2: power that allows them to have a sense of influence.
30:19
Speaker 2: And it does make you wonder, like, is the goal
30:22
Speaker 2: there just to continue to amass until you die, or
30:27
Speaker 2: is is there you know, an end game for them?
30:32
Speaker 2: In that and you know, it's one of the places where,
30:36
Speaker 2: you know, because the way that the Star Wars galaxy
30:38
Speaker 2: works and the stories that we tell, you know, we
30:41
Speaker 2: don't get into that kind of nitty gritty. And yet, yeah,
30:47
Speaker 2: I keep coming back to this idea though, that just
30:49
Speaker 2: with Star Wars in general, you know, and what George
30:53
Speaker 2: kind of based this off of, you know, whether it's
30:57
Speaker 2: Joseph Campbell or the works of Kirasawa. You know, you
31:01
Speaker 2: think of Doone, you think of these other things, the
31:05
Speaker 2: our theory and legends and all that stuff. Nobody retires
31:09
Speaker 2: in those things. Why because they're living a life of
31:13
Speaker 2: especially our big main characters, they're living these lives of
31:16
Speaker 2: purpose doing the thing they're meant to do. Like that
31:20
Speaker 2: they felt like this entire their entire life they were
31:23
Speaker 2: called to do. And so I think the Star Wars
31:27
Speaker 2: universe has just kind of built more on those ideas.
31:30
Speaker 2: And therefore, yes, you would probably get certain societies throughout
31:35
Speaker 2: the Star Wars Galaxy that retirement might be more of
31:39
Speaker 2: a thing. But I think on a whole maybe that's
31:43
Speaker 2: just not as much of a thought process for the
31:46
Speaker 2: Star Wars galaxy in general. And yeah, I mean I
31:51
Speaker 2: had no idea this would be one of our longest
31:53
Speaker 2: episodes recently talking about retirement in the Star Wars galaxy.
31:57
Speaker 3: Well, but I mean the thing is, it's like that's
32:00
Speaker 3: that's one of the fun things. It's like sit there
32:02
Speaker 3: and be like, oh, this is a you know, incredibly intricate, wonderful,
32:07
Speaker 3: magnificent universe that's been built. Right this galaxy far far
32:11
Speaker 3: away is like trippy, it's weird, it's wild and wow. Right,
32:17
Speaker 3: Like with that comes to the mechanics of these sorts
32:20
Speaker 3: of things, and it's it doesn't They don't need it.
32:24
Speaker 3: They don't need to explain anything like that. But like
32:26
Speaker 3: even going back to what you were talking about, where
32:28
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, the Empire and there's some stability in
32:30
Speaker 3: the market for a while, Like how interesting would it
32:33
Speaker 3: be here you go yet another week? How many weeks
32:36
Speaker 3: in a row now, Matt, how many weeks in a
32:38
Speaker 3: row where we're making some sort of like crazy story.
32:41
Speaker 3: Pitch and lucasfilm could run with this, don't care how
32:44
Speaker 3: long the episodes would be. You're welcome right there, you go,
32:47
Speaker 3: free service for y'all, Just saying, but an older couple
32:55
Speaker 3: is retired and they've made it through the imperial fit.
33:00
Speaker 3: They don't care for everything that's going on. But like
33:03
Speaker 3: you know, like most people, it's like, I can't change
33:06
Speaker 3: the system. What am I going to do. I'm just
33:08
Speaker 3: trying to keep my head down and get through. I'll
33:10
Speaker 3: be a decent person at the level that I can.
33:13
Speaker 3: I'm going to get to the end. I'm going to retire.
33:16
Speaker 3: Two years later, Palpatine is dead. All of the sudden,
33:21
Speaker 3: what happens to my money? Is it still valuable? Am
33:25
Speaker 3: I still able? I mean, you could even pick at
33:29
Speaker 3: that and then say, that's why every centralized government in
33:34
Speaker 3: Star Wars is destined to fail is because everything we've
33:38
Speaker 3: talked about, it's impossible to have that be a central
33:41
Speaker 3: planning sort of thing that works. It's too big and
33:44
Speaker 3: so okay, the old Republic gets gets big and clanky,
33:48
Speaker 3: and it gets too centralized and too much. You know,
33:52
Speaker 3: it collapses from its own weight. It's corrupt, It's there
33:56
Speaker 3: are all of these problems. Empire comes along, Empire says,
33:59
Speaker 3: you know what, corrupt, but screw it, you know it.
34:02
Speaker 3: It's constant. The markets will react positively all of a sudden,
34:05
Speaker 3: everything's gone, But you have to keep the financial system
34:08
Speaker 3: in place that completely allows everybody to continue and nothing
34:15
Speaker 3: really changes at that point. And keep in mind, I'm
34:18
Speaker 3: not advocating for a financial system to go away in
34:22
Speaker 3: any sense, because then our forty dollars gift certificates to
34:27
Speaker 3: aggressive negotiations. Listeners good only at aggressive negotiations for keeping
34:33
Speaker 3: us on the air by just listening. It's it's forty
34:38
Speaker 3: Republic datares that is what it is is good for.
34:43
Speaker 3: And credits they're no good out here. Hey, hey, hey,
34:48
Speaker 3: Republic credits will do fine, No they won't. Dang it, fine,
34:56
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull out my lights ever cutch in half.
34:58
Speaker 3: Then there you go. Story's over and I took the
35:00
Speaker 3: the hyper drive and everything's great. There you go.
35:05
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's again, like you said,
35:09
Speaker 2: this is just one of those things that's a lot
35:11
Speaker 2: of fun about the Star Wars galaxy. You know, I
35:15
Speaker 2: think that it is intricate enough and crazy enough that
35:18
Speaker 2: allows us to be able to have these kind of conversations.
35:20
Speaker 2: Then at the same time, you know, you know, when
35:24
Speaker 2: we have these conversations too, you can also just see
35:27
Speaker 2: the limits of the galaxy and the stories that was
35:30
Speaker 2: trying to tell. And I love that the Star Wars
35:37
Speaker 2: itself is just so full of fun, and again it's
35:42
Speaker 2: allowed us to be able to podcast together for this
35:46
Speaker 2: long and you know that that's what it's all about.
35:50
Speaker 2: But hey, you know, if people would love to catch
35:53
Speaker 2: up with you, John and maybe talk about some of
35:55
Speaker 2: these crazy ideas, or maybe they're just looking for, you know,
35:58
Speaker 2: like holiday gift ideas for other friends and family in
36:04
Speaker 2: the Star Wars galaxy. Where could people find you?
36:07
Speaker 3: Well, I have all sorts of gift ideas, bett crazy ideas,
36:11
Speaker 3: fun ideas, all of them good on the planet Geriatrix
36:15
Speaker 3: in fact, So if you're planning your retirement, go ahead
36:19
Speaker 3: and stop on by a Kessel junkie on your social
36:21
Speaker 3: network of choice. I have the most fun on Letterbox
36:24
Speaker 3: because I watch a lot of movies. I love putting
36:27
Speaker 3: my ratings up there. Although deep philosophical moment, not entirely
36:31
Speaker 3: sure I want to keep giving star ratings to things anymore.
36:34
Speaker 3: It's gotten kind of tired, let's be honest. But you know,
36:38
Speaker 3: I'm trapped in a system, just like everybody in the
36:41
Speaker 3: galaxy far far away, trying to figure out how to retire.
36:44
Speaker 3: But you can also find me here on the network
36:46
Speaker 3: co hosting a show called house Lights with Darren Moser
36:49
Speaker 3: and Tristan Riddell, where we look at the work of directors.
36:53
Speaker 3: Have a lot of fun there. But I also have
36:55
Speaker 3: a lot of fun with you, Matt on one of
36:57
Speaker 3: your shows over on the TFM network called six two Club.
37:00
Speaker 3: But that's just one of the places where people can
37:02
Speaker 3: find you. Where else can they find you online?
37:05
Speaker 2: Well, you can find me all over the place under
37:07
Speaker 2: the name Matt Rushing Sho too. If I'm on that
37:10
Speaker 2: social media platform, you'll find me there. Of course, you'll
37:13
Speaker 2: find me here on the network as well, with a
37:15
Speaker 2: collated show called owl Posts with Drey Kaufman. As we're
37:18
Speaker 2: talking about every single chapter the Harry Potter series, one
37:20
Speaker 2: chapter at a time. You can also find me over
37:23
Speaker 2: on the TFM network. When I'm not in the six
37:25
Speaker 2: or two Club, I'm doing a lot of great star
37:27
Speaker 2: trek talk with my good friend Chris Jones, and so
37:29
Speaker 2: hope we everybody will check that out. But John, you know,
37:32
Speaker 2: I hear that they're having Bingo night over on Geriatrics,
37:36
Speaker 2: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
37:40
Speaker 3: You know, I got to check my stock portfolio, so
37:43
Speaker 3: by all means, negotiations are closed.
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