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#3 What's the Deal with Positional Tiers?!?! · Draft Offsides Podcast

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Hello and welcome to episode three of Draft Offsides.
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I'm here with Tico and Enzo. My name is Keith.
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How you guys doing? Did you guys hear this?
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Because the owner of Tottenham, right, is Joe Lewis.
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Did you guys hear who wants to buy Tottenham?
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Who wants to buy Tottenham? It's someone that has 99
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problems but wants one more. Jayz.
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Jayz I'm shocked at a winner like that would want to buy a
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club like Tottenham. That's why.
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You know what? I'm not gonna lie to you.
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I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised too.
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I was thinking more like an Ed Sheeran.
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Jayz probably said hey, told Beyoncé.
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I want to challenge that. It'd be difficult to conquer and
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be honest. Was like just by Tottenham.
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It's like, it's like his Rushmore.
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He's like, can I, can I win here as well?
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Can I succeed where no one else has?
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Literally no one else has. I beat the hood, I beat all
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these things in life. But can I?
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Can I best Tottenham? Oh man, So what the Tottenham,
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The Tottenham owner got busted for some sort of, like, for
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insider training or fraud or something?
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Yeah, insider training and fraud.
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He's giving out like inside training to his girlfriends and
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they'll make him like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Damn, what do I have to do to be one of his girlfriends?
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Wanna dress in some makeup, bro? I don't know.
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I'm in. Is he gonna have to sell the
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club because of this or is it just something else, like
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separately? Well, I guess like if he gets
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done in, I'm thinking there's gonna be seizures.
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So I guess his bell was like 300 million and I guess that was
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like one of his yachts and one of his country homes that he
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has. So he had to get rid of those
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and use those as like lateral. What a drag.
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If only he had like a player he could sell and make like 100
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million Tico. Do you have another rant,
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another messy rant or something you want to do?
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Or you feel you feel a little better this week.
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Not a little messy rant, but has he played an MLS match or it's
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been just those tournaments? No he he just won.
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He just scored two goals ahead and assist against Atlanta so.
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But was that it? Was that like the MLS or was it
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the one of those are MLS tournaments?
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I think that was his first MLS game.
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You know what I don't fucking like is the fact that he won't
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play the next game. You know why?
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I can't know what team it is. It might be Phoenix or someone
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they won't take off their Astro turf because they don't want to
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put in real turf and into Miami will not risk Messy getting her.
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Do you think it's like going to be a strategy where they're like
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like quick replace all our grouse with astroturf so we
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don't have to play against Messy?
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I remember it was not done. Had the same thing where he
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wouldn't play on the road game is one that was stadiums at a
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turf. I think Seattle had one
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Portland, so he wouldn't play those games.
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I do not blame them. That's like, I mean I play on
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Astroturf every week and it's just it's hard on your knees.
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It's just as you get older it's harder if you're gonna play with
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full cleats. That's how you get knee
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injuries. It's just it's brutal.
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Alright let's talk about some notes and news couple.
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Just couple people have left since last time we spoke.
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So state maximum from Newcastle is gone.
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They're all they're all just Saudi too or no, no, I guess
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Zaha went to Galatasaray and then Mars is now gone.
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Sounds like Mitchevich is leaving, Not leaving.
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I got I heard he was practicing again, but it sounds like he's
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not gonna gonna play I. Heard his back in training, but
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I I also read that he doesn't want to play for full home
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anymore, so he might just play for another team selling.
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Loan him out to a different EPL team.
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That would be something to keep an eye out on, yeah, very much
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so. It's a drag for full and I mean,
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he was like, they literally like that team's like built around
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him. So it just sucks up.
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He's just not gonna be there for him.
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They made their better go sleeping.
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They know who they had. Yeah, well, So what?
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So then they signed Raul Jimenez.
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Do you think he's viable that have on your team?
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Maybe maybe four or five years ago and he was when he was good
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before that head injury. Exactly when he was ready to
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like, was he like 50 million raids, 60 million raid.
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Now we man, I thought he was gonna go to United.
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I thought he's gonna be a really good player.
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I thought he was gonna be the next kind of striker in the
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prim. How much they buy them for five
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and a half mil? Yeah, yeah, no scraping them all
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the barrel, I mean, but same same.
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Naughty types and playing style, so he's gonna get his
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opportunities. Yeah, but not the same.
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I mean, they're the other guy of initiates, right?
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The Fulham does that. Sue's another big body striker.
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So I don't know, I I'm like at first I kind of was like ohh,
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Jimenez might be a good pickup. But now the more I think about
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it, I I just feel like he's gonna be getting something on a
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lot late like that type of player and not so much someone
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that you can depend on at any sort of capacity.
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But we'll see the other bit of news United looking at signing a
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striker there. That that young kid from
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Atlanta, Rasmus Holland. Is that how you pronounce it?
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Yeah, Manste, he's got Holland. They've got Holland.
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Holland. Yeah.
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They knew there was like the the bootleg version, huh?
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But. Holland close enough.
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One is from Norway, one is from Denmark.
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Similarity. Same region, similar name.
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So he'd only joined Atlanta that year, so he'd only been there
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for a year. He's so young, I'm kinda.
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And they paid what they're paying like 70 mill for him. 70
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million, they basically pay him 7 million.
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He's he's they're only paying him I think 80,000 a week.
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So it's a lot cheaper than the original target which was Harry
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Kane. But would you rather they spent
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70 million on him, which is probably what, maybe 30-30
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million less that they would have had to spend on Harry Kane?
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Do you think Tottenham would have ever sold him, sold Harry
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Kane to a direct travel like he had done?
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It would have been like 150. They're not a direct rival.
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They did, but they didn't even, like, even test the waters.
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They are direct rival, top six club, all right, top six club.
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But they're not. They didn't even test the
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waters. Like, like I went in there and
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said I want Harry Kane and then all of a sudden they're like, Oh
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no, wait, Daniel Levy, Let's go for this little kid that only
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scored nine goals in 37 games last season and let's see what
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he can be in the future. They took a big risk.
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They took a big risk. Yeah, I kind of agree.
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I'm curious to see how it goes. I mean, the one thing I will say
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is that, you know, like look at, look at how much tip playing
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down van wing horse got last season.
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I think Ted Hawkins is gonna play this kid a lot, even if it
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takes a while to get used to the league.
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Even if he's not like, great from the rip, I think he's still
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gonna get a lot of playing time. So kind of with that in mind
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where do you think he where do you, where do you think he's
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gonna go in drafts if he if he signs this week?
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Well, also interested in the impact he has on rash for
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because he plays off top. So those rash for.
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So do they move rash for on the wing, on the left side?
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Yeah, I think the general sense is that rash for is better, like
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coming in off the left a little bit, right.
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So, like Rashford, he's not as like dominant as a striker as
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much as he is like a left forward almost.
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What do you guys think about Hall and Light for United?
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What do you think he'll be drafted?
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Do you think it's gonna go like late second, early 3rd or what
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do you think? May United player and May United
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fans gonna pick him up thinking he's the best thing since sliced
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bread. Yeah, I was feeling that.
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None of us will have a chance at him.
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You know what I mean? Like, I think the place in the
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draft or I feel comfortable drafting him.
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There's gonna be a United fan that's already drafted him and
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most drafts, I feel like. Exactly.
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And if I feel like you want to draft the player like this where
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it didn't runs good enough for you to take a gamble on players
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because there's no more good enough players on the board
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left. But like you said, a lot of fans
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and forward is such a scars position, so I feel like it
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won't last until end of the third round.
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It's not. He's not gonna make it into the
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4th. Yeah, I agree.
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I think about if he was sitting around in the end of the third,
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beginning of the fourth, I'd snap him up.
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But I I agree. I don't think he's gonna be
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there in most, most leagues. I would also if I get the first
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taken or second if I know with how long I'll draft this guy to
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it just because I can make both of them combined and super.
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You see you need one more guy with the last name H you can be
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the you can name her team Triple H and have a little WWE
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reference there for you. Last minute news is there's a
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rumor that IMBOPE is in talks with Liverpool and PSG about a
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potential loan. One year loan, I mean, and who
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knows like right? Like how realistic that is?
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Just curious, where does it vape go in the draft if this happens?
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This goes through the next week, second or several.
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He He be. He be, He be.
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First of second. But like, you got a thing.
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You said this in the last episode.
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He doesn't want to go anywhere. That hasn't got Champions
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League. Did he get Champions League?
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No. Didn't get Champions League?
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No. Yeah, they finished fifth.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Do you think?
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But do you think he goes? You think he goes first, second
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or third for sure? Yeah, well, I wouldn't ask you
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right he. Asked you.
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No one wants to make the same mistake we made last time and
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give freaking Tico Harland 1/5. Yeah, true.
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Fair enough. No.
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Yeah, he definitely goes top three also.
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It's with that team. High pace is also an
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entertaining player to watch. For my first round, I like
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playing. I like drafting a player that I
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like watching them play the team.
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So obviously, who doesn't like playing or watching Liverpool?
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And then Bop, I play football, so that would be agree.
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That would be so exciting. That would just be so exciting
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having Bop in the Premier League even just for a year see what he
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could do, you know. But yeah that's that's very
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unlikely. He'll be very unlikely.
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He'll be Madrid, he'll probably be in Madrid.
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Alright, moving on. So let's talk a little bit
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preseason. I feel like it's so interesting
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with preseason cuz there's so much like it is an indicator on
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how a team's doing, but it's also, you can't really put too
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much weight into it, right? Is that is that Do you guys kind
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of feel the same way? Yeah, it's it's preseason man.
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Like I got so many ultra fans going off, cuz they beat
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Barcelona 5, three. It's a fucking preseason game.
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And also when in there, like it was a cup final, I watched the
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game, they were like going 100%. They weren't using it as like a
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preseason. Let's get ready.
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They're like, this is Barcelona, this is a cup final.
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We're gonna destroy him. Javier is not happy about it,
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huh? No, it wasn't.
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I mean, you're playing a game. These guys are playing for their
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careers, you know, they gotta show off.
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So I got it. I also think the way Arsenal
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finished last year, they probably have the approach and
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the mentality. Hey, even preseason every single
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game we have to give it everything we have.
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So they're just informed throughout the whole season.
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But yeah, the precedent I don't count from that much, especially
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since Barcelona destroyed Real Madrid 30.
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So I just throw it out there I. Can't believe I'm gonna say
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this. They didn't destroy Real Madrid.
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I watched that game too, and Madrid was smashing off the
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crossbar. The post.
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I think one came off the disturbance back of his head.
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It was so lucky. That was it.
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Like only if they had a. Striker like mdave.
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Yeah, only only. If only.
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I don't know. The one thing I will say about
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preseason is that there's certain players like I I was
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watching like for example, obviously I'm watching a lot of
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the Chelsea preseason is there was that guy, Nicholas Jackson,
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who we weren't, that we were uncertain about and he's had a
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really good preseason and it's made everyone a little bit more
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excited. It doesn't mean he's gonna be
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great in the Prem, but I think it means that he's gonna be
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starting games and like when we didn't know that he was gonna
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be, we didn't just didn't know what that was gonna look like.
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And then I look at someone like Mason Mount who what they've had
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four preseason games no goals no assists from out playing a
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little bit deeper just and I'm like, oh I probably would not
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draft them out in the top three rounds now just after watching
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him in preseason like not it's not like the end all be all.
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I don't think he's gonna be bad. But I'm just thinking like, oh,
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it might take a little bit longer for them to get used.
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To it, I was just gonna ask, is Nicholas Jackson going to be the
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starting striker for Chelsea? I mean, at the rate that he's
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been scoring and what it's been looking like, I think he
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probably will be. Do you think he's the head of
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Madawakki, Sterling and Broha? I don't think Madawakki and
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certainly are gonna play in that central striker role.
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I think, and I think Broha's coming out of injury, Broha's
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not even in the preseason. So I mean if there's a chance in
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Cuckoo plays in that 10, but he'd rather play in the nine.
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I mean, but he'd rather play in the 10.
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So I think it's, I think it's gonna be Jackson for now.
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So, I mean, those are just little indicators, you know?
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And then, like Trussard, well, he's scored two, he scored two
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or three. He's like pretty good.
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He might be their answer up front.
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I was talking to one of my cousin.
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He's a big Arsenal man. And like, honestly, if if Jesus
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did go out, like Trussard's the man they put up there, like he
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can, he can do it. He's he's already accomplished.
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He's already, you already know. I can't be even saying this.
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Hey, it hurts inside me saying that.
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But Trussard, he's class man and he could play up front for us.
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I think he could do some damage, especially with that team, the
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way it works. But he doesn't mind doing a
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little 1-2, giving goal and giving up a goal.
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But then he can shoot from LY, which he saw that already in
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that last game. Yeah, he impressed me.
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According to my sources that I spoke with at Arsenal, the
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chemistry is better with Tristard and Gabriel Martinelli.
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It's a player that if he doesn't start off well or he's
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struggling, Tristar might take over his position as well.
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Keith also question. Ask the question, who are your
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sources at Arsenal? Cuz we're all very curious.
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Curious. I I cannot disclose my sources.
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I'm sorry, I just cannot disclose my sources.
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I guess we'll just let that lie. I don't want.
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To think they listen to the pockets.
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That's OK. Yeah.
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I'm not gonna confirm Northern Ill.
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It's his brother who's an Arsenal fan.
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That's his source. That's what it is.
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That's funny. Any other people on your radar
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from preseason that you guys have any kind of excited about
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it off? Like, I mean, I think that one
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of the funniest things was like, there was obviously a few weeks
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ago, but like Harvard's like it was like the MLS game and he
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like missed. There was like they did the
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crossbar challenge and he was the only player in history to
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miss every single one. So that was pretty funny.
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You couldn't even control the fucking ball, man.
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You're a professional football player.
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No pressure around you, no one touch, no nothing.
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But he did have a good goal in the I think he had a volley goal
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in the game he did against against the, you know, MLAs All
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Stars. So for what it's worth.
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I can't be able to say this again about another Arsenal
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player, Timber Jury and Timber Arsenal player.
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He looks good. Do you think he's going to start
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every game? Do you think he's like held in?
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I think he looks good. I think he's he's he's a strong
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luck because look, Tommy Asu's injury prong right?
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Jury and Timber is a right back. Am I right?
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Tommy ASU is like, right back, yeah.
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So he's Tommy Osu's injury prime.
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I like Tommy OSU, I wanted him at Tottenham when it when it was
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going about. But I think Jury and Timber and
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a funny one for me, Romeo Beckham.
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I would love to see what he does at Brentford.
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So that's another one I've been looking at.
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So has he been playing in the I don't.
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Know it's It's just the name I saw.
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Just want the shirt just for the Beckham shirt on the Brentford
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ringing jersey. Love it.
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Love it. Good.
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I like I watched one of the Chelsea games where Ancuko was
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playing as the the 10 role. I thought he he was impressive,
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he was doing well. I think he scored on the in that
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game. I just don't remember who they
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played against and especially since he could play the 9 role
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as well. I think Ancuko might be a good
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player to kind of keep an eye on just because he's gonna get the
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opportunities. I agree.
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I know that was one of Enzo's hates.
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But I I'm kind of he's been keeping up because of preseason
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because I think he he he's been finding his feet pretty quickly
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are you are you are still feeling like he's not is he
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still a hate have you kind of. I'm not going to do a Tico and
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do you know, say one thing about one player and say another, I'm
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going to stick to my guns. I don't think that he's going to
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do as well in his first season, maybe his second season, not his
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first season. So more information does not
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change your opinion. You want me to bring it up,
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Reese James. OK, just don't don't.
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No. Love Reese James.
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He's also risky business. For the most of this episode,
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we're going to talk about like our rankings, but more from like
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positional tiers than from like a strict like one through 100.
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So we kind of just want to talk about the positions and who kind
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of fits where and what kind of levels we're comfortable with.
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And the way tiered ranking is, is like you kind of break it up
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like these are the top 3 strikers and you've got they're
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give and take. These guys are pretty
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unchangeable. Then like the next range
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underneath that and then finding the range underneath that.
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It's just a good way to think about it when you're drafting.
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So I guess we'll kind of get into it.
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I think with we'll start with forwards and when you look at
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forwards there's, you know, we don't, there's not really much
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you can say about the top three, right?
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The top. There's like a tier that's just
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kind of on its own. And I don't think anyone would
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really argue that it's early Holland, most Allah hurricane,
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right If if if Harry Kane stays, he's in that top tier.
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I think you could make an argument for any of them being
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your number one. Probably Holland is probably the
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guy Kane could you could make that argument.
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But I think where it starts getting interesting is kind of
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in those the next few tiers, right?
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So Tier 2, Tico Enzo, do you guys have anyone other than
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Jesus Rashford son is there is that kind of where you guys are
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too? And and Tier 2, Yeah, if you're
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gonna just go by forwards like actual strikers like.
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And again, Premiership's so crazy because you've got wingers
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in there cuz like, salah's not really a forward, he's a winger.
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But you got like Wilson Rashford, Ollie Watkins.
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Only had a great season last season so I put them in the the
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next year. You put all.
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Yeah you put all in the next year as well.
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I think that's a fair one shot. He's the he's my in my third
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tier. He's like my top guy.
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I also have the Liverpool tree. I want to you know get your guys
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opinion on that as well. Obviously you know they have
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Sala who's going to get it for me and your left up top.
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So it's like it's going to be a rotational roller coaster who
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plays or who's the? Most informed player, but I feel
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like new Darwin Nunes is the one that would probably go from the
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three of those just because I feel like Klopp favors him.
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He's always talking him up and he gets the opportunity, he gets
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the playing time. So I would I would kind of have
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Nunes interior too you so OK. So that's a that's kind of my
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big question for the forward. So it's like it's Luis Diaz
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Darwin Newton as Cody Gap GOP Poe.
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So where you so you're you're going Nunez, you think that's
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the one you'd pick? If you had to choose between
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those three, that's the one you'd go you'd go for.
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Yeah, and especially since I had Luis Diaz last year and he was
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just injured the whole year. So you kind of got burned.
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You got burned a little. Bit yeah he was my second or
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third round pick and you know never again he I'm not drafting
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him and so how do you feel is of those three who's the one that
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you would most likely draft. I would go with Diaz.
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Just Diaz and Solo worked really well on those wings and we gag
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po up front. How could this work?
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They're interchangeable. Darwin just has a has a touch
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like a brick foot, like Lukaku in my opinion.
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So I don't really trust Nunez. I think he's great athletically,
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but I don't think he's gonna be that that top three all the
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time. So that's pretty funny cuz I
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think I would have had to choose between the three.
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I'd go gakpo. So it's funny that we all have a
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different one that we really think would be the best.
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I think my reasoning is I think Diaz and and on Nunez like don't
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really play as much as a central striker.
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So I think there's more chance that they are gonna alternate.
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I think Diaz just coming off that injury might take a little
19:06
while to get acclimated. I think Gakpo was, since he came
19:10
in at the second-half of last season, was like just kind of
19:13
like like really solid and kind of like was a really strong
19:18
focal point for Liverpool. So I think he's the most likely
19:21
to start the most amount of games, you know?
19:23
So just from like a consistency, consistency standpoint, I think
19:27
he might be the he's my choice. OK.
19:30
So just based off the playing time, I feel like maybe we we
19:32
should think of some kind of a wager for end of the year
19:35
between the those three forward to you as the I like that.
19:39
Yeah, we'll figure something out.
19:40
I like that. I mean we'll just, we'll figure
19:41
out, we'll figure out the cost of the wager.
19:43
But I think that's a good let's do a let's do a shake on that.
19:45
See who wins who wins that that battle.
19:48
That's a good one. So I OK, so that's a I think, I
19:51
mean I I don't think it can really go wrong with any of
19:53
them. I think it's just my issue and
19:54
my fear is that you're gonna have to drop one of them in
19:57
what, the second round and the the getting guy in the second
20:00
round who's not gonna start every single game is like not
20:03
ideal. It's gonna be all about formula.
20:06
So would you rather have what the Chelsea forward instead of
20:09
one of those three liver Liverpool forwards?
20:12
In cuckoo, I would. Not Nicholas Jackson, but in
20:15
kunku I would because I think in Kunku's gonna start almost every
20:18
single game that he's fit and available and I don't think, I
20:20
think there's, I think one of these guys isn't and maybe two
20:24
of them aren't because there's there's jolt that too.
20:27
And so then you're just in this spot where you just, you just
20:29
can't really afford to have your second round draft pick like not
20:32
starting games you know. So I'm a little like I'm a
20:36
little leery of them to be honest with you all three.
20:39
But I know that I know two of them are gonna be great.
20:41
Maybe all three of them will be great.
20:43
You know, so it's definitely a, it's definitely a sticky spot to
20:47
be in. And then let's kind of move on.
20:50
What's the? So from the forwards where
20:52
where's like the line that you guys draw where you're like, OK,
20:56
if I don't get this guy, anyone below this, like, I'm not I'm
21:00
really not happy. Like I'm very unhappy.
21:02
Does that make sense? Like?
21:05
I think how long can most obviously Jesus Rashford.
21:11
I think those are the ones if you have any of those forwards
21:13
that that means you're set in that position you could start
21:15
them every week. So if you I have any of those I
21:18
would be happy if those are players are not off the on the
21:22
board anywhere. I might just go midfield because
21:25
I feel like midfield is just contributes more to fantasy.
21:27
That's what I learned last year. So I think I would just go
21:30
midfield heavy and then just play the positions.
21:32
You could pick up a forward down the you know and the later
21:36
rounds obviously not as good, not as productive.
21:38
But you can just get people and just plug and plug and play like
21:41
Anthony Alvarez, just players of those caliber.
21:46
So you're kind of willing, if you don't get like the elite
21:48
elite, you're willing to just like get some strong mids and
21:52
just kind of get lucky on the back end.
21:54
Is that kind of what you're saying?
21:55
Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's like you if you're not
21:59
gonna get the elite striker you want, you want to try to get
22:01
elite, at least the elite midfielder, like either a career
22:05
or a goal scorer from the win. You have to in your first one or
22:09
two picks. You don't want to just get
22:11
yourself a bum. Who's not going to do any for
22:13
free, are you? Those first two picks are going
22:15
to be your bulk of your scoring that you wanted to come from,
22:18
and everything else is just filler.
22:21
I feel like I'm in the I'm in a place where I would be happy
22:23
with you know his use Rashford son and then I'd be happy with
22:26
Olly Watkins. I'd be happy with ISAC.
22:28
I'd be happy with Christopher and Cuckoo.
22:30
So I'm I'm like you know I'd like maybe top 10 strikers and
22:34
then after that I kind of agree like I I.
22:36
I would just again like going back to the Liverpool thing.
22:38
I would just hate to pick one of those guys as my first striker
22:41
off the board. Well it's funny if you look at
22:44
the top 10 strikers in the last year, two of them probably
22:47
wanting to be in the league this year.
22:49
So it really like goal scorer wise.
22:50
So you had Harlan Kane, Tony Sala, Wilson Rashford, Ollie
22:55
Marnelly, Odongada, Mitrovic. But like Tony's not going to be
23:00
playing for six months, Mitrovic is probably out the door.
23:03
So then you're left with like Ferguson from Bryan Jesus from
23:07
Arsenal, Nunez from Liverpool. So you really don't have like a
23:11
top ten. You've got like some Subs in
23:14
there. So you say you you picked those
23:16
up instead of like, obviously you wouldn't, but would you?
23:19
I'm going further down the list of midfielders.
23:21
Would you rather pick up like Ferguson instead of, say, Gibbs
23:25
White? You know what I mean?
23:27
Like would you rather pick him up for that?
23:30
No, I think I'd probably go give.
23:31
So I think you're right. Also for forwards, I feel like
23:34
it's the position that is the largest point disparity from
23:37
like the for example, like last year, I'm looking at it right
23:40
now, Harry Kane had 624 points, the 10th highest going forward
23:44
had half of that. So the dropoff is pretty
23:47
significant. And then you have a bunch of
23:49
people who are like around the 300 point race, 250 to 300,
23:52
where you can kind of pick and choose them, get a player.
23:55
Whereas for midfield it's more kind of closer together, so
23:59
there's more higher tier player and it's a gradual drop off, so
24:01
you could still get more quality people that will give you more
24:03
points at the end of the year. Yeah, fair enough.
24:07
Personally, think that I wanna get a striker in the first two
24:10
rounds. I'm just there.
24:11
I think that if that, if it doesn't fall that way, I'm
24:14
probably not picking one up until a while back because I
24:17
think I I'm think I'm skipping on the whole like Willie and
24:19
Anthony Raheem, Sterling, Callen Wilson.
24:22
Like I don't. I don't want to.
24:24
That's not the area I'm trying to get a forwarded.
24:26
You know, I wanna just, I'd rather just have some lottery
24:28
picks. You know Rich Arlson, Nicholas
24:31
trying to get Nicholas Jackson for Chelsea.
24:35
Just like try and stock up on some midfielders and like a good
24:38
defender and go that way. Yeah, it's the most scars
24:41
position forwards. If you can't get something in
24:43
the first round, then most likely you're not gonna get
24:46
someone who's the lead. All right.
24:49
So I kind of we kind of already talked about a little bit, but
24:51
this new Man United striker, would you feel like he's an
24:54
elite? Would he be considered an elite
24:55
striker to you if he comes in? No.
24:59
He's got nine goals and 32 games by Atlanta and Syria and that's
25:02
a Syria. I don't think he's elite.
25:06
He's not proving yet. He's young again.
25:08
In a couple years from now when he starts understanding the
25:11
English football and how how it works in the Premiership.
25:13
Maybe it might get better, but I don't think he's worth
25:17
64,000,000. Bloody hell.
25:20
And does this Holland over all over again, I hope?
25:23
You know what? Maybe.
25:24
But Harlem was proven at least he was banging in goals left,
25:27
right and Center for Dortmund, you know, I mean, and he was
25:29
playing for a top team in Germany.
25:31
This guy was playing him for Atlanta.
25:32
He's not one of the best. It's not one of the worst
25:34
things, but even one of the best things either when you think of
25:37
stealing up. I have a question for you.
25:40
If you if you're on the board and Brian and Bembo from
25:43
Brentford is there and this new, this new United kid, Holland is
25:46
there. Who?
25:48
Who would you rather have? I don't know.
25:51
And Wenbo is going to get you what, maybe 810 goals?
25:55
This kid could have a freaking duck and not score anything.
25:58
How many did where I wasn't Wengholst?
26:00
How many did he get from Man United?
26:03
Very few. I looked at his like points,
26:04
Purry start and they were like Black will be low considering he
26:07
played for United and he's a similar similar bill to way
26:11
horse, but he's the big kid. He's 6 foot three.
26:15
Is he going to be quick? Is he going to be in the six
26:18
yard box trying to get headers? Is May night that team where
26:21
they crossed the ball to the six yard box?
26:22
I don't remember them doing it that much last season.
26:25
It was more through balls in, you know what I mean, to
26:27
Rashford or to whoever they had on the wing to Anthony.
26:30
Have you guys watched a whole Gent play often or you haven't?
26:34
I haven't watched him play, so that's what I'm saying.
26:36
But I'm going by what I've seen on paper.
26:38
Nine goals and 32 games isn't good, so.
26:41
Do you think he's gonna score less than ten goals in the
26:43
premiere? Yeah.
26:45
OK, because I didn't watch the kid play a lot.
26:47
Love his name. 63 Big physical player.
26:50
I watched his highlights. This guy's just making every
26:53
shot he makes. What the?
26:54
All nine of them. All nine of them.
26:57
All nine of them. He's pretty good link up play,
26:59
His link up play is pretty good so.
27:02
He does. He dribbles.
27:03
Seems to be quick for his size moves.
27:06
Well honestly I I I would draft him.
27:09
I would. I'd rather draft him than let's
27:11
say Anthony or Alvarez from Manchester City.
27:15
Return return. Listen.
27:17
If Kane stays, I'd rather have hold Gen.
27:20
Than you'd rather have a hold Gen. than rich Charleston.
27:23
If Kane stays, I agree. But if Kane leaves, would you
27:26
rather have a Charleston? I probably would, but the
27:30
problem with him is whenever he scores, if he takes his jersey
27:32
off, he's just going to get a yellow 2 little fidget dots and
27:38
then we get to see him dance. That's funny.
27:41
That's a tough one, man. Like you said, May and I took a
27:43
risk and and am I going to doubt him like 10:00 knows what he's
27:47
doing. Like Eric knows what he's doing.
27:49
He's building a team right now. So he didn't get what he again,
27:53
though, did he really get what he wanted?
27:54
Which I don't think he did. I think he scores 10 to 15
27:56
goals. You you do.
27:59
I would. I would make a bet with you that
28:01
it's under 15 goals. But over 10, I'll make the bet
28:05
under ten goals. I'll take the ten goal, but not.
28:08
About 12 1/2. Let's make a Let's call the line
28:11
at 12 1/2 goals. What do you think about that?
28:13
11 1/2. But no, I can't do that, my
28:16
accountant told me. I can't make that bet.
28:17
How about 12:12 is a push? Let's do 12 over and under 12.
28:21
12 is a push. Yeah.
28:23
Wait, wait, wait. I got a question for you, Tiko.
28:25
Only Watkins or or Hoyland? There's only one right answer.
28:28
There's only one right answer. What Watkins?
28:32
Yes, that's the right answer. He had fifteen goals on 6:00 and
28:34
6:00 last season in the Premiership.
28:36
He's great. I think he's gonna, I think he's
28:38
like, I think he might be the top.
28:40
He might be like a top five checker.
28:42
Well, he was six last year. OK, so I'm not saying anything
28:45
that isn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:48
Like, OK, how about this? I think he could be.
28:50
Like the He could be. Top You could be right behind
28:53
her in Holland, I think. I think he's that good.
28:55
I think if solid drops off a little bit or there's a little
28:57
more rotation in Liverpool Cane leaves, who else can really?
29:00
Who could? You know?
29:02
I think he's, he could be the guy.
29:04
And he's still, he's not that old either.
29:06
No, he's he's young. Yeah, I mean then looking at the
29:10
forwards, I mean, other than that, there's some interesting
29:12
thing. I think Rich Ralston gets really
29:13
interesting if Cane leaves. I think he shoots up to third
29:16
round, fourth round and the first round every second.
29:20
Yeah. And then I think Diego dropped
29:23
the I I mean honestly getting him like in the what the 5th,
29:27
6th, something like that. Like I don't even know around I
29:30
that to me is almost more interesting than the other three
29:32
Liverpool guys getting them them in the second round.
29:35
You know getting that like because I just think that he
29:38
could be you know he could just for where you pick him up and
29:41
the amount of points he's gonna get.
29:42
I think could be a better value than the better return than one
29:45
of the than, like rolling the dice on one of the three
29:47
Liverpool guys in the in the second round.
29:50
All right, so let's keep moving unless you have something else
29:52
to go. No, I I was, I wanted to touch
29:55
bases on Julian Alvarez from Man City.
29:58
Do you guys think he gets more playing time this coming year?
30:01
Maybe some playing time on the wing?
30:03
He's playing too much with Peps Door any, so I don't think so.
30:07
What's that? Isn't he good?
30:09
Isn't he going out? Pet store?
30:10
Another one. First it was Deli Ali and now
30:13
it's Julian Alvarez. I did not know that.
30:16
Is that. Is that truth?
30:17
Hey man, I get all the tea, bro. I get all the tea.
30:21
Wow, that seems like just a bad idea going out with your coach's
30:25
daughter. That is not just.
30:28
I don't know if I was his manager or something.
30:29
I would be like do not do that. I think it was Alexander.
30:35
I think it was Alexander. Pato was dating the owner's EC
30:40
Milan's owner's daughter. I think that's where they messed
30:42
up his knee. Is that why?
30:44
Is that why he's like, playing in obscurity in Brazil now he's
30:47
got ruined? Pretty much, no.
30:50
I I do think he gets more playing time this year and
30:53
Alvarez, just because with Mara's leaving the right wing,
30:56
it leaves open for maybe rotation and he could come on
31:00
play, play some, get some minutes there.
31:02
I know whenever Holland used to score hat trick in the first
31:05
half they would put in Alvarez. He was good for a good goal or
31:08
two. And he's one of those players
31:11
that Pep wanted him on the squad.
31:13
So usually when Pep gets someone, he gives him playing
31:16
time, yeah. Yeah, it's just hard for me to
31:18
like wrap my head around like Holland and Alvarez, both
31:22
playing at the same time. Like I know they did that a
31:25
little bit last year, you know? I know they played with a front
31:27
through a little bit, but I don't know.
31:29
I just, I I don't. I don't see it.
31:31
I don't see him playing more than.
31:35
I don't see him starting more than 1518 games.
31:38
He's not. That's not Man City football.
31:39
They don't play 2 up front like that.
31:42
Striker like Harlan had to learn it.
31:43
It took him a while. Don't get wrong, he's still back
31:45
in goals at the beginning of the season.
31:46
But you can see when he was coming back to come and retrieve
31:48
the ball like deeper in the midfield he was getting yelled
31:51
at by a pep because that's not his job.
31:54
Don't cluster up the midfield. His job is to make runs and pull
31:57
defenders left and right until that right ball goes in and he
32:00
gets attacking. So playing two up front isn't
32:03
going to work with the way Man City plays.
32:06
Yeah, and I also think too, with an Alvarez, like, there's just
32:09
so many games he's not gonna start and then you can't start
32:11
him on your fantasy team if he's not starting the game, you know?
32:15
So then you're just kind of in the spot where even if he does
32:17
come on and score two goals, you don't get you and you're not
32:20
starting him and you're just like, OK, sick like so.
32:22
He might have good points by the end of the year, but it'll just
32:25
be like it's impossible for you to trust.
32:28
Using them, I think the one difference is if Holland gets
32:30
injured, which last year he avoided any injury, but pretty
32:33
much every year before that he's had injury issues.
32:36
If Holland goes down for any period of time, Julian Alvarez
32:39
is like a freaking slam dunk. Yeah.
32:43
Yeah, well, I was thinking they might play him on the not two
32:45
forwards, play Alvarez on the right side, so on the wing in
32:48
the 433. Top in Mars's place.
32:54
I thought it's something that PEP might experiment.
32:55
I also just pulled out pictures of Peps.
32:58
Daughter. Worth the risk.
32:59
Worth the risk? Oh man, I don't think he plays
33:05
in the wing. Man, you got phone in.
33:07
Why would you not just put phone in there instead if you're gonna
33:10
rotate? Yeah, yeah, Phone in.
33:12
You have that guy, Cole Palmer, who played really well for
33:14
England, who's really coming up. I think he's gonna get a lot of
33:16
playing time. I also, I think City does is
33:19
going to sign one more guy. I think they're going to sign
33:21
one more player. Didn't fall out of rotation last
33:24
year. A little bit, but I mean he had
33:27
like appendicitis or something. He had some health thing that
33:29
really set him back and then it kind of he never quite got back
33:33
like fully into the squad after that.
33:35
Mancy's going to buy someone else because they all they got
33:37
so far. If you look at who they bought,
33:38
it's just cover church they and if you look at look at how many
33:41
people they've given up and let go, it's only cover church they
33:45
brought in. So there's gonna be some money
33:47
being spent. Money being spent.
33:51
I know. I feel like there's, you know,
33:53
there's gonna be a lot of last minute transfers this year,
33:57
which I think will just be chaotic for the beginning of the
34:00
season. Okay.
34:01
Let's kind of slide over to the midfield.
34:04
When you look at the midfield here, I think there's that here.
34:07
The first year is Bruno Fernandez, Kevin De Bruyne.
34:10
Can't really argue those two. In that second tier, there's
34:14
like Saka, Odegard, Madison Martinelli.
34:17
Are they? I think they're kind of, I think
34:20
really should could be. And you can make an argument for
34:22
Foden, maybe, maybe not. Matoma, I think is interesting.
34:27
You don't have stock as Tier 1. I think he just doesn't make
34:30
the. Car I think he's like in that
34:32
next level for me. I don't know.
34:34
I think you could. I could see it you can You think
34:36
he's stock is up there with KDB and Bruno Tico in your mind?
34:39
I I. Think so.
34:40
Just based off the performance last year, he started picking up
34:43
more goal scoring towards the end of the year and I think he's
34:46
just gonna get more comfortable, more confident and I do think he
34:50
will produce as well. Similar with Odega, Odega's was
34:53
producing about putting up good numbers as well, but.
34:56
His career arc has been kind of interesting.
34:58
It's kind of been a lot up, up and down and injuries as well.
35:01
So I'm a fan of Odegard, but because of that fact, I would
35:04
put it hit on Tier 2, but I would put soccer, definitely
35:07
Tier 1. OK, so Soccer missed another
35:09
penalty in preseason. Do you think if he's off
35:13
penalties, does that change your mind at all if he if he gets off
35:17
penalties, if he's someone else starts taking penalties for
35:18
Arsenal? It all depends.
35:21
I don't know how many penalties goals he had last year.
35:24
Yeah. If it was, yeah.
35:27
If it was like 5 of them, then you know, obviously that's a
35:29
huge difference if it was one or two, but who else would take
35:32
their penalties? There would probably be what
35:34
Jesus if. Yeah, I think there's several
35:36
players. Odegaard.
35:37
Jesus, Yeah, I mean, Jacca. What?
35:42
Whatever. He's gone now.
35:44
So no, it's it's it's just more different between tier one and
35:48
Tier 2. We know it's already like it's
35:51
such a tight difference. It's not, it's not a disrespect
35:54
to any of those players in Tier 2.
35:55
They're still like class that matters.
35:57
Being in Tier 2 would make sense also.
36:01
But you know what I mean? Like it could be across.
36:03
It's all about form. But the ones you know that are
36:05
gonna perform, we can we carry tier one and Tier 2.
36:11
And this kind of goes back to what I was talking about as far
36:13
as the midfield being more deep. Whereas I feel like if you get
36:16
someone from Tier 2 for as a midfielder, you're still very
36:19
happy, whereas the Tier 2 forward is gonna be significant
36:22
drop off from Tier 1 to Tier 2. Whereas the midfield it's more
36:25
the difference is more closer to each other.
36:27
Yeah, I agree. I think it's like even I think
36:29
we're forward just like tier one through three, I'm kind of tier
36:33
one and two. I'm happy.
36:34
I think with the midfield, it's like Tier 4.
36:36
I'm not even mad like. You know like if I, if I get if
36:39
I go like Ford Defender and then from third round comes around
36:42
and like Morgan Gibbs, White is there.
36:44
Like sure, I'll take it knowing that I have like a rock solid
36:47
Ford and like Trent, you know, like I'd be happy with that.
36:51
Yeah, there's a couple there's a couple like Tillermans for
36:55
Villa. I wouldn't mind picking them up
36:56
a little bit later you know what I mean?
36:58
Like new team. I know it's a new team and
37:00
everything, but the way that Villas going and with Emory,
37:03
Emory playing Emory ball like him, DRB for Villa, also like
37:07
Villas. Villas gonna be looking good,
37:09
man. After, if they can get like
37:11
gelled and connected, it's gonna be a good team and some of those
37:14
players are gonna go late and there's gonna be another gem in
37:16
there that someone's gonna pick up late, like in the 1415 round.
37:19
I think it's gonna put up some numbers.
37:22
Yeah, you're hot on Villa. I'm, I'm Rob.
37:24
I'm just look at the players they picked up.
37:25
It's just and it's Emery. Emery.
37:28
You know, Emery in Europe like he's successful.
37:30
The only team he didn't do well was Arsenal.
37:34
That's the only one by everyone else.
37:38
I have a question for you guys of the mids that are either
37:42
joining a new team or are on a team that has a new coach who
37:46
from like their draw, like from where they're being drafted,
37:49
like around, who do you think is the safest and who do you think
37:51
is the riskiest? So it's guys like Madison Barnes
37:55
that knew it. Liverpool player Slovasli.
37:58
I don't know. Is that right?
37:59
Mount McAllister? Rice Gulsevski, Tilamans.
38:05
I think Madison's probably a really big bet cuz you know what
38:08
he does in the Premiership? He's gonna do that regardless of
38:10
the team playing well or playing or playing badly.
38:13
We saw that at Leicester for years.
38:14
He's probably gonna be a safe bet.
38:16
The risky ones probably gonna be Kulasetski cuz he was injured
38:19
half the season last season so you don't know what's going to
38:22
happen. And Michaelis is, in my opinion,
38:24
is another risky one because is he going to be as productive at
38:26
Liverpool or be given the chance to be as productive with all
38:30
that talent around him where he doesn't have to do but like
38:33
there's some, there's some good ones in there do.
38:37
You think Madison's going to score as many goals for
38:39
Tottenham as he did last year? I don't think he's going to
38:42
score as many goals, but I might do.
38:43
I think they have more assists. I think he will.
38:47
See I'm on the opposite and I think McAllister is a safe bed
38:50
because I just cop says some Favors midfielders and with the
38:56
I think he's gonna have a lot of more assists and club just has a
38:58
history of getting more out of midfielders.
39:00
Some of the midfielders he's called managed especially back
39:03
in when he was in Dortmund. All of them had career years
39:06
under under his management, under his spell and they go
39:09
somewhere else and they kind of fall off, so.
39:11
I do like Klopp as a manager, is probably one of my all time
39:14
favorite, one of my all time favorite managers and I like his
39:17
system. I think McAllister will is for
39:20
me. McAllister is a safe bet.
39:21
So then how do you guys feel about Solbasly?
39:24
He's going in like he's going like the third round.
39:26
He's like going very early in a lot of drafts I've been looking
39:29
at. To me, that's like crazy.
39:31
Third round, yeah, he's a good player, but.
39:35
He's a good player but I just when I look at what how
39:37
Liverpool. Like play their midfield.
39:42
I'm not seeing like a ton of goal scoring opportunities for
39:46
those midfielders. Just with the front three they
39:47
have. I think it's going to be a lot
39:48
more of an industrial role. I just to me he's risky for
39:51
where he's getting drafted. I think I look at him and I look
39:54
at Mount and I look at McAllister and I'm like, yeah,
39:57
the names are big, they're exciting transfers.
40:00
I I think I passed on all three of those guys.
40:06
Yeah, and for the if you're saying they're going and turning
40:08
around, I I wouldn't. I'm always hesitant to draft a
40:14
player that comes to the new team, new league, especially
40:17
coming to the EPL where everything is just faster, more,
40:20
more pressure, more physical. So I'm more hesitant on drafting
40:25
that. I'd rather take a chance than
40:26
someone who played it in the premiere last year and just
40:28
draft them instead of just taking a gamble on that,
40:31
especially in the third round. Yeah, the one that I am
40:33
interested in is Harvey Barnes. I think he is good and I think
40:37
that newcast teams. Exciting and I think he's gonna
40:39
be a a good pick up and if you can get him in the fourth, fifth
40:42
round like Oh my God, that is a that is a come up.
40:46
There's a couple more man like Redmond's back in the league.
40:49
He's playing for Burnley. He's just come back.
40:53
Nathan Redmond. Yeah, Nathan Redmond's back,
40:54
man. You see if he classified as a
40:57
mid because he attention plays like a forward.
40:59
I think he classified as a mid this season.
41:01
I think he played a deeper role when he went, went to work.
41:03
Was he at Greece? And then Dan Zuma, I think
41:06
that's another one. Don Zuma.
41:09
We had him at Tottenham for a little bit.
41:11
He's at Evan. I think he could be a sleeper
41:15
also. He can produce, create.
41:17
So we'll see I. Think also, we talked about it
41:21
earlier, but Drussard, I think that's very interesting.
41:26
I think he's a good player to add and stash.
41:28
He's going to get the playing time and if one of those people
41:31
gets injured or someone falls out of form, you know he's going
41:33
to produce. You mentioned mount mount to
41:36
someone I would not touch Declan Rice.
41:39
I don't think just defensive midfielders bring a lot of
41:41
value. So unless you get him like super
41:43
late or you're an Arsenal fan, makes sense, but right.
41:47
So I think rights would just get more points this year than last
41:50
year just based off if he's on a better team they're gonna get
41:52
more wins, more clean sheets. So that's just gonna add to his
41:55
point total. But as far as like contribution
41:58
contributing to a goals assist not gonna be much of a
42:00
difference. What mid, what mid in the first
42:03
like, you know, 1520 guys are you like just like there's no
42:08
way of touching them, Is there anyone that you're just like
42:10
there's just total hands off like there's just no interest
42:13
whatsoever. Well, like tanali.
42:17
I love tanali. Yeah, but he's not going in the
42:20
1st 20 minutes. You know what?
42:21
He's on nowhere. It was the 1st 20 minutes.
42:24
Let me look. At like 10.
42:27
Gibbs, White, Elisa Ezza, Jared Bowen, Harvey Barnes, Silva, Sly
42:34
McNeil, Mason. Now Kulasefsky, Pascal Gross,
42:37
Likesy McAllister. Like Tanali's not even in the
42:39
top. Probably's like not even the top
42:42
30, I feel like. Have players.
42:45
I'm gonna drop midfielders, I'm gonna drop.
42:46
No cuz he plays so he plays so far back.
42:48
He's like a like a 6/8 when you can get like Trossard, you can
42:52
get Andreas Pereira, even Alex Awobi on freaking Everton.
42:56
I'd rather have him than Tenali. Yeah, I like Awobi's good, but,
43:00
like, would you not? I know we spoke a lot about not
43:04
picking up defensive midfielders, but would we not
43:06
even look at picking up defensive midfielders?
43:09
Like for anything. No, you you definitely wanna
43:14
they're they're gonna be drafted.
43:15
But I I don't think you know they're gonna be the first
43:18
midfielders you draft. I think you get to defensive
43:20
midfielders when you already have maybe 3 midfielders on your
43:23
team. Your lineup is kind of set and
43:25
you're building your bench. I know I had cast in mirror last
43:28
year he was he was producing points.
43:31
It's just he was also getting red cars left and right which it
43:34
was straight dressed too. So he missed I think like five
43:36
or six games just because of a straight dread that he got.
43:40
So that's when I would get Rodri.
43:44
I would also draft him as my you know, 4th or 5th, mid, 5th mid,
43:49
not 4th. And same thing with Rice.
43:51
I think the defensive midfielders are should be around
43:53
like your 5th midfielder. I agree.
43:56
I think the the trick is with midfielders is you kind of want
43:58
to like hack it and you want to get the midfielders that are
44:00
really more like forwards, right?
44:01
That should those be, should be the ones you're really looking
44:04
at. Yeah.
44:05
And like, I'd rather have one of those guys like Andres Pereira
44:09
like. Like that than I would like some
44:12
hard working six or you know or even like an 8.
44:17
You know, I'd rather have like Jaden Sancho than a lot of like
44:19
other guys just because you know that when he plays it's gonna be
44:22
playing essentially as a forward, you know, even though
44:25
it's classified as a midfielder. Yeah so those guys are way
44:29
higher up than me. So is there anyone like the top
44:32
kind of going back to that question, is there anyone in the
44:33
top 15/20/25 that you're like? I look at it and I'm like, I
44:37
have no desire, like Mason Mount.
44:39
I have no desire to draft slowly, March.
44:42
I'm interested in, but it's just like he would have to drop a
44:44
little bit for me to be interested.
44:46
So let's lie, I'm probably not gonna draft.
44:48
I'm not gonna draft him in the in the third round.
44:51
I would stay away from a Kuloweski he was.
44:54
I think his average draft is showing right now it's 4 * 40
44:58
first, which I I would I would stay away from that one and so
45:03
as you're as the hot spirits but what do you.
45:06
Think stay away from for now. It'll be a nice little gem later
45:10
on. But if he's informed and stays
45:13
fit. But yeah, it could have be
45:15
probably stay away from. He's just after that first great
45:18
season he had it just faded away last season, mostly due to
45:22
injury, but he could never get back into the team.
45:24
But whenever he wasn't there it was quite exciting so.
45:27
We also don't know how Ange Pasakoglu is going to like play
45:30
like. Is he going to be playing as
45:31
like a like a wide forward or is he going to be playing as like
45:34
an 8? You know, like cool stuffs.
45:36
Yeah. I'm not sure how what his like
45:38
position is gonna be under Ange. Well.
45:40
He's gonna play the 433, If you really think about it like he's
45:44
gonna obviously he's gonna be sun on one side and it's gonna
45:47
be like Rich Harleson or Cooley on the right is my opinion.
45:53
So is Madison playing in the He's playing as as the one of
45:56
the as like the one of the three?
45:57
Yeah, I think. He plays more in the second, the
45:59
first three, so you're gonna have.
46:02
Matters. I don't even know if we're going
46:04
to even have Fleiberg at the end of the season.
46:06
He's he's been wanting to leave so and Benton call when he gets
46:09
back. So that gives more opportunity
46:12
for him to create and then we need that holder midfielder And
46:14
then obviously if when Benton call gets back, he's the one
46:17
who's going to be more like an 8 where he's a box to box and
46:20
matters will be more forward. I would also stay away from Enzo
46:22
Fernandez. You could just never trust an
46:24
Enzo. They're not reliable, can't
46:27
trust them. Enzos Just stay away from Enzos.
46:31
That's my dress advice. I like Enzo Fernandez.
46:35
The fuck you. I I get it too with him like I
46:42
don't know. I just watch the Chelsea games
46:43
on right now and he just missed like a fricking sitter but I
46:47
don't know I just he's he hasn't.
46:49
Like we'll see if poach can pooch can unlock him but I he
46:53
hasn't. He does a really good job in the
46:54
midfield but he's not doing a really good job and like this
46:56
like. Making impactful like goals,
46:59
creating goal scoring opportunities.
47:01
So yeah, so we'll see. OK next next kind of thing is
47:05
who are you like who do you. So like I think when you also
47:08
when you start looking at the midfield, you start looking at
47:11
players like OK, if someone went down like this guy would be like
47:15
Next up it would be really good. So I look at like Trosar, I look
47:18
at Jane Sancho, you know some of those guys.
47:21
I think same with like like a Kulesevsky if like if song goes
47:25
down or something. You know this even Mount if like
47:29
Rashford goes out and play, he plays on the left.
47:31
Who is? Who is the most opportunity from
47:34
an injury to be like a top 20 guy, do you think?
47:38
You already said it, Trotsod. I think it's true.
47:41
Sorry. Yeah, it has to be Trotsod.
47:42
Sancho, I thinks are freaking amazing play.
47:44
Just had some bad luck at Man United, man.
47:47
But if this Hoylin kid doesn't work out, like, what are they
47:50
gonna do? Put Rashford up front, most
47:52
probably. And then that just frees up
47:54
Sancho to play on that wing. Along with Anthony.
47:56
So both of those are really big shots and I think they're good
48:00
shots. Julian Alvarez Julian Alvarez
48:05
But he's a forward that yeah Alvarez if how long gets into
48:10
you guys think with Harvard's we get the opportunity if someone
48:12
went down or. I mean I I'd almost, I think I'd
48:14
rather go Trosar than have its just where they're getting
48:17
drafted. I think I'd rather gamble on
48:19
that someone going down or him just getting him battling his
48:23
way in to play. This because especially if
48:25
Habits is playing like an 8 and Trust starts playing like ahead
48:27
of him as like a left winger. How about Almaron from Newcastle
48:33
if, say, Isaac goes down? Yeah, I mean, Almaron's pretty
48:39
exciting. It just it's I think for him
48:40
it's always just a matter of is he gonna get enough games?
48:43
Right. And like, it's gonna start
48:45
enough games because he seems like he comes on a lot as like a
48:47
sub, as like a impact player, and then he scores like a great
48:51
goal. But it's because he came on in
48:53
the 65th minute and ran past three people.
48:57
Yeah, he had a great start to the last season line, then just
48:59
tailed off after the World Cup. He he couldn't get his form
49:02
back, but Alma's been at new cost so long, he's like a staple
49:06
over there. You guys think Newcastle players
49:10
are going to produce the same numbers they did last year
49:13
because when you look at the, they're starting 11, almost
49:16
everyone produced very high at their position.
49:20
Obviously they had a great year. You guys think it's those
49:22
players are kind of not risky to draft again.
49:25
You think they're going to be able to produce as a team,
49:27
another top 4? I feel like it's.
49:30
I think that's a really good point.
49:31
I think that you fall into the trap of looking at what happened
49:34
last season and not looking at what happened like year over
49:36
year and. And I think some of you over,
49:40
you overvalue certain things because of that.
49:43
So I don't think I agree. I don't think that every single
49:45
one of them is gonna be like, amazing.
49:47
I think their defense might not be like, you know, like having
49:50
Dan Byrne play left back for you all season.
49:52
Like Love Dan Byrne had him on my team last year, was
49:56
monumental for me. But like I don't know if he's
49:59
gonna be the guy. Yeah I I think this you know
50:01
mentioning defense it might be even a good transition to go to
50:04
our to our defensive list. And I was when I was going doing
50:08
my research they had I think their center bag was rated top
50:12
ten last year total points. Yeah.
50:15
Which is kind of crazy for center bag and obviously they
50:17
had a tree pair he was ranked second.
50:20
So just those numbers are just I, I I find it hard to believe
50:24
that they're going to be able to have another season like they
50:27
did last year. And not only it's not just that
50:30
they're not gonna play as well, I also think the teams around
50:33
them got better as well just to be overall with the additions
50:36
they've made. So I don't think they'll finish
50:39
top 4. Yeah, I feel, I kind of agree.
50:42
I think they're also then playing in Europe.
50:44
It's gonna make it harder, just cuz they're just gonna have more
50:47
games. More games, yeah.
50:48
Also more expectations. Some players never had
50:51
expectation to be successful. That also makes a difference as
50:54
well. Yeah, but they've the, the fans
50:57
have been, honestly, they when they first got bored, they
50:59
thought they were going to spray all the way out.
51:00
But I think they've been like literally coached to understand
51:04
this is a project. This is for the long term.
51:06
This isn't just for one season. Like players like Bemarez, who I
51:10
think plays amazing for Newcastle.
51:12
Hope and goal, which he's, he had an amazing scene.
51:15
He was a good goalkeeper before, but having a good defense in
51:17
front of him is improving. You're talking about Tripia.
51:20
Is he going to perform again? He's been performing for years.
51:23
I don't see him dropping off. They added, they added bond,
51:27
which is a little bit of depth to help them out.
51:30
I know they just got rid of maximum to, but that didn't
51:33
really do anything for him. Perfectly honest.
51:35
That guy had no contributions, wasn't able to get the ball in
51:38
the box. Another one.
51:39
I just like to wave his feet around and try to drill around
51:41
players. I think they're building an idea
51:44
at Newcastle, a different way of winning and playing Sol in the
51:48
back and then building from the back to the front.
51:51
So I think they're gonna have another good season.
51:54
I think it's not a bad shout to actually have a few of those
51:56
players. You're not gonna have every
51:57
single one of them. But I think Gumar is having
51:59
another good season. Isaac Tripier, Pope Sharp,
52:03
Botman. I think they're all good players
52:04
to have on your team. Yeah, I think that.
52:08
I think the defense is where I kind of agree with you on the
52:10
the midfield attack. I think the defense is where I
52:12
wouldn't. I wouldn't be looking at other
52:14
than tripier. I wouldn't be looking at their
52:16
defenders as like trying to drop them super high.
52:20
No, not high. Yeah.
52:21
I think that's but I agree with you.
52:22
I think with the forwards. So I my I was kind of starting
52:25
to look at like the defenders and you know outside of that
52:28
like you know obviously when you look at the defenders it's Trent
52:31
and Trip your here in trip your and Trent Alexander Arnold,
52:35
they're like, you know they're in their own level.
52:37
They're in their own kind of stratosphere as defenders go.
52:40
And then there's like those and then there's like five or six
52:42
names that are like either good or right or left back.
52:45
So you're interested in like the Reese, James, Luke Shaw?
52:48
Stupion from Brighton. Pedro Poro, potentially.
52:51
Andy Robertson. Ben Chill.
52:52
Well, and then after that, kind of like those eight guys, like
52:57
I'm kind of like everything else is just like a soup to me, just
53:01
like a. Blue Shore Johnstone.
53:03
Yeah, like Shaw, Shaw's in that good group.
53:06
But like the Johnstone's Van Dyke Shar and then you get it's
53:09
like, I just feel like there's not a lot of outside of those
53:12
like 8 right and left backs. There's just not a lot of people
53:16
that I'm excited about and I guess part of that is there's
53:18
two things. One is there's less teams
53:21
playing in a wingback system than there has been so in the
53:23
last few years. Teams like Tottenham, Chelsea,
53:25
Brighton all are playing with wingback.
53:27
So these guys are getting way higher up the pitch and making
53:29
way more goal contributions. That's happening less.
53:31
The other thing is that the the like left back or the right back
53:35
is dropping into like a CDM position more, which is then
53:38
forcing the other back on the other side to play more central
53:41
and not allowing them to get as high.
53:43
So I think like. I'm kind of what I'm asking you
53:46
guys is do you feel like defenders the left like in the
53:49
past we were so relying on left backs and right backs, do you
53:52
feel like we are still as reliant on?
53:56
Them it's only going to be if they're actually in a good team
53:59
that doesn't concede goals. So not relying as in, I'm gonna
54:02
pick him my first eight, maybe even 10 picks.
54:06
They might go as far as past to my 11th pick because just like
54:10
goalkeepers, unless they're an elite goalkeeper.
54:14
I'm not going to pick him up because I don't know if they're
54:16
going to let him go. So like Pope is probably
54:17
honestly he's probably going to be one of the top three along
54:20
with Alison Edison and Goal. But every other goalkeeper after
54:24
that is just is is rush and roulette.
54:27
I don't know how many goals they're going to let in that
54:28
game. You know what I mean?
54:30
Same with defenders. How many of those, how many of
54:32
those Senate backs or wing right, wing back, left, left
54:35
wing backs are going to have 10 sheets and going to give you
54:36
that extra point at the end of the game?
54:39
You're gonna get more more points from your midfielders and
54:41
your forwards and they're the ones you're gonna go for.
54:43
Yeah. And defenders.
54:44
It's the I think it's the easiest position to kind of have
54:46
a rule rule that just kind of pick and choose the matchups,
54:50
play the matchups. There's always defenders on
54:51
there. You could pick like someone like
54:54
Veron might be you know available in like the later
54:56
rounds. You could just have him on the
54:58
team. He'll give you like you know 6-7
55:00
eight points maybe. Whereas I you rather just if
55:04
you're not gonna get like the top defenders you picked, you'd
55:07
rather just stock heavy on midfielders forwards and then
55:10
just play the matchups on the on the defense.
55:13
The one dependent that I'm kind of curious on is Sergio Gomez.
55:19
Man City got him last year. He played like half the year he
55:23
likes going forward. I don't know.
55:25
I think if he gets the opportunity to play, I think he
55:28
would be productive, especially if they play the three defenders
55:32
and just have like make wingbacks.
55:34
I think that's that's where he would probably be his best
55:39
position and put up the put up numbers that could be relevant
55:42
in fantasy you. Don't think he's gonna be doing
55:44
the same thing he did with Stones last season, where Stone
55:46
was moving up into that midfield, I'm I'm not sure.
55:49
Just this Man City team I feel like changed the most from the
55:53
starting, from the main rotation players.
55:55
So I think Pep is gonna tinker around, see what works for him.
55:59
I mean, last year in the middle of it, he just changed his
56:01
formation so it'd be curious again.
56:03
It's someone that it's like a gamble.
56:05
I wouldn't draft until my last two picks, the very late around,
56:11
but I feel like it's worth to draft him and keep him for a
56:14
couple of weeks. See, he might surprise people
56:16
and just produce. Yeah, look at John Stones.
56:18
I think that's like the I think John Stones and Trent and
56:22
Alexander Arnold are doing very similar things, right where
56:24
they're. Slotting into that CDM role, but
56:27
I think the difference is, is Trent Alexander Arnold's like a
56:30
10 times better soccer player so he's he can spray the ball
56:33
around. John Stones is good don't get me
56:35
wrong. But like, I'm just saying like
56:36
what Trent does is like, you know, he's still creating
56:39
opportunities where John Stones is like holding the midfield and
56:42
again, you're look here did. You not see John Stones like
56:45
rushing up the middle of that field a few times this season,
56:48
He looked. Like he looked like the Tin Man
56:49
just walking up there. He's walking down the elbows
56:51
wherever the goals doing that, you know.
56:54
Alexander Arnold, like I think in that CDM role is like
56:57
phenomenal and sprays the ball like crazy, creates
56:59
opportunities where. But I still think Johnstone's is
57:02
interesting. I think he's probably of all
57:03
this because he's getting like so many more touches on the
57:05
ball. I think he's still an
57:08
interesting play, but I think Alexander Arnold's like the
57:10
exception. Not the rule as far as as far as
57:12
that goes, but like, do you guys, do you, when you look at
57:15
like full and full backs who last year were getting really
57:17
high at the pitch? Like I I I'm not super
57:21
interested like I just you know as much as I they're exciting
57:23
and they're fun to watch like folds.
57:25
The lower level team I think they're gonna struggle this
57:27
year. I think they've had not the best
57:29
preseason, not super interested that you know who else is there
57:33
really like Natty Cash on Villa. It may be interesting, but as
57:36
far as like right and left backs, there's just not a lot of
57:38
people. And I think center backs is such
57:40
a crapshoot because like every year we've played there's
57:43
different center backs that are like in the top, you know,
57:46
they're not like. That finished highest, there's,
57:49
it doesn't seem like there's like a total level of
57:50
consistency from center backs like you know you're gonna get.
57:53
Yeah for center backs you just play the let's say if you know
57:56
it's a good team playing against the lower C team, you just draft
57:59
play them you know they're gonna win hopefully a clean sheet.
58:03
But as far as like contribute, contributing goals, assist is
58:06
very, very low. Tell you right now I'm not
58:08
playing more than three, three defenders on my team.
58:11
I've left my lesson from last year.
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I'm not playing more than three defenders on my team unless
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they're. Like 4-5 of the best defenders
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in the league where they got clean sheets left, right and
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center. Yeah, I think so.
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Then with that kind of thought in mind, like if you don't get
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one of those top eight guys, you know, I think, like, I think to
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me, like that eighth spot, like that page report, Andy
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Robertson, Ben Chill. Well then there's like a line
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and then everyone after that, I'm kind of like like I'm not
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gonna waste a pick. And then, are you like, are you
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good to wait until like the 6th, 7th round before drafting a
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defender? Like, would you go 7 rounds
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without a defender? You feel good about that?
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Enzo's nodding his head because uncertain.
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Well, if I can get, if I can get midfielders and forwards that
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are gonna be contributing now, free kick takers, set piece
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takers, whoever that is, I'm gonna take them over cuz they
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have more opportunity to give me points.
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I'm more likely to get a winger from Luton than I am a defender,
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cuz I know they're gonna be running up and down that field.
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Especially against lower teams that they won't be in my first
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lineup, but at least they'll be in the rotation, you know what I
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mean? So I don't know a lumen player.
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Do you guys know a lumen player? I just know their stadium's
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amazing. Have you guys seen their
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stadium? No, I haven't.
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You have to go through someone's half, from my understanding, to
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get into their stadium. Not quite, but like, pretty
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much, yeah. The only Luton player that I'm
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kind of like, that's on my Raiders at Carlton Morris, who's
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a forward, he's our striker. He scored like 20 goals Austria
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for them last season. But it's another.
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Pooky, Yeah, another Pooky. But those are those are the
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strikers to me that are interesting.
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Like someone's gonna have to score goals for Luton.
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Like, maybe. I mean, maybe they won't score
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any goals all season, but no. But to answer a question, Keith,
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I'm this year I'm gonna go with the same thought processes and
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so just played three defenders. No need to play more than that.
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Yeah I the one thing about Defenders, it's like it's just
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it's the clean sheet thing so you could have the defender
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could have a great game but if he doesn't get that close clean
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sheet points it's like it's not gonna be you're not gonna get
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the the full value from him the stuff tough in that sense.
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All right. I think we're just about out of
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time. This was episode three of draft
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off sides. I'm with Tico and Enzo.
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My name is Keith and thanks for listening.