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185: Roach Caught In The Spider's Web · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: Of power.
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  Speaker 4: What's up and.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: I am Brian and we are coming to you live
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  Speaker 3: via digital recording from the Days of the Dead Fest
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  Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis. And this week we have a special
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  Speaker 3: guest co-host with us, Mr. Sean Wadling.
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  Speaker 6: How you doing everybody?
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  Speaker 3: Just to kind of get into, to give people a
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  Speaker 3: reference of where they know you from. Because they'll all
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  Speaker 3: see you and go, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That guy.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I call my page that guy, Sean Whalen,
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  Speaker 6: because that's what everybody calls me first. They call me
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  Speaker 6: that guy first. Oh, yeah, you're that guy.
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  Speaker 5: You're that guy. But, yeah, I guess just to get
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  Speaker 5: into the earlier stuff, was it Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 3: You were originally from?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, born and raised in the Maryland area, right around Washington, D.C.,
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  Speaker 6: and got into theater there, and then came out to California,
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  Speaker 6: and then been out there for a long time.
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  Speaker 5: Which, was it just like stage play acting, or how
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  Speaker 5: did you get into it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of stage, community theater, children's, you know,
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  Speaker 6: elementary school, then on to high school, a lot of
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  Speaker 6: high school plays, directing and everything, all of the above.
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  Speaker 3: Did you, I thought, I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 3: early on or later, did you get involved in like
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  Speaker 3: the improv scene?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was in the, it's very famous now, the
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  Speaker 6: Groundling Theater, where I was in it with Lisa Kudrow
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  Speaker 6: at the time.
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  Speaker 5: Will Ferrell came from it. Many other, many other people.
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  Speaker 6: Kristen Wiig. A lot of people.
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  Speaker 5: And Elvira.
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  Speaker 6: That's true.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. She's an amazing woman.
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  Speaker 5: She's done a lot of stuff in her time.
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  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: In a rock band in Italy. She did all kinds
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  Speaker 5: of weird stuff.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I guess, as far as breaking through into film,
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  Speaker 3: was it people under the stairs?
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  Speaker 6: In terms of film, yes. That was my first big role.
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  Speaker 6: I had done some commercials. I had done some minor
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  Speaker 6: guest spots on TV, but that was the first film
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  Speaker 6: I ever did.
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  Speaker 3: And then, I guess, especially around these parts, that's probably
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  Speaker 3: where you're most recognized as.
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  Speaker 6: You would be right.
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  Speaker 12: These parts are the roach parts. Hanging around the Roach Motel,
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  Speaker 12: I guess.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly, yes, exactly. And you never get out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, much like the commercial, there's no escape for you.
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  Speaker 3: But, again, it's something that you did a really good
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  Speaker 3: job with, so I guess you've become okay with him
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  Speaker 3: as a character over the years?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was always a great character.
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  Speaker 6: There was nothing... I mean, you know, the thing that
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  Speaker 6: my family always said, which their big problem with it was,
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  Speaker 6: you weren't in it long enough. Isn't that always the case?
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  Speaker 5: That's always the case with every role I've ever had, so... Well,
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  Speaker 5: and then what was Wes like as a director?
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  Speaker 6: Very mellow, very cool, very nurturing. You knew it was
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  Speaker 6: my first film, but.
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  Speaker 6: He's like the guy next door. He's like your neighbor
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  Speaker 6: next door. You know, very mellow. Not at all what
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  Speaker 6: you would think. So he must be insane when he sleeps.
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  Speaker 6: He's not in person.
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  Speaker 5: And then, I mean, again, he's a very iconic character.
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  Speaker 3: Where did you get him from as far as character-based?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I always had... I had done some comedy work,
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  Speaker 6: and then I started working on emotional work at a
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  Speaker 6: different kind of acting class. And the.
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  Speaker 6: Fear of playing something like that is that you're just
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  Speaker 6: running around screaming i actually played renfield in dracula in
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  Speaker 6: high school and i remember my acting high school teacher
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  Speaker 6: saying you know he is a human being and so
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  Speaker 6: there has to be reasons for him to act this
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  Speaker 6: way and have emotion and why he is the way
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  Speaker 6: he is and so he had to be a full-rounded
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  Speaker 6: character so he had to have heart and and enthusiasm
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  Speaker 6: and kind of be a kid that actually had his
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  Speaker 6: tongue cut off and lived between the walls. So there
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  Speaker 6: had to be, you know, it still had to be
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  Speaker 6: a person underneath all that weirdness. Yeah, and you can
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  Speaker 6: see a lot of Renfield in there.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 6: It's a very similar character because he's kind of stuck.
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  Speaker 6: He's trying to help.
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  Speaker 5: He's much more overt than Renfield was.
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  Speaker 6: Renfield was trapped by Dracula on one side trying to
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  Speaker 6: help people on the other side.
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  Speaker 5: Roach was just trying.
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  Speaker 6: To help everybody. He didn't give a shit about them.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't care.
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  Speaker 3: And then to change gears, jump ahead a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: just Waterworld.
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  Speaker 6: Waterworld. Thrown in the.
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  Speaker 11: Middle of that.
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  Speaker 3: I had to know.
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  Speaker 6: That was an audition. I went out there.
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  Speaker 5: I got to hang for a week. And the funnest
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  Speaker 5: thing was they had us.
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  Speaker 6: Do some jet moto stuff they said oh we gotta
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  Speaker 6: give you these lessons well i had known how to
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  Speaker 6: ride one and so the lessons last about five minutes
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  Speaker 6: so then i got an extra two hours of literally
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  Speaker 6: just jamming around hawaii dressed like a crazy oil slick
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  Speaker 6: person and on a jet skate so it was awesome I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, I guess all of it was shot to the
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  Speaker 3: point where you can't see land, so were they taking
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  Speaker 3: you out by helicopter?
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  Speaker 6: Not the part I did. They didn't need to. We
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  Speaker 6: were just close to land. All they did was kind
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  Speaker 6: of just get behind us on the dock.
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  Speaker 5: They avoided that. as much as they could because you
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  Speaker 5: know the boats screw them up big time it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it seems like again it's gotten a bad
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  Speaker 3: rap over the years but even then it seems like
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  Speaker 3: so much of an undertaking just with the technical issues
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  Speaker 3: i mean was it.
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  Speaker 6: Something you could tell yeah i mean before we got
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  Speaker 6: there there had been you know rumors that it was
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  Speaker 6: almost going to be shut down yeah but i mean
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  Speaker 6: just the warehouse of spraying us down making us look
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  Speaker 6: you know oily and putting oil all over our teeth.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it was a lot, a lot of work.
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  Speaker 6: So they were under the gun because shooting on water
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  Speaker 6: is just really tough. It's very unpredictable. As I know
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  Speaker 6: from Twister, shooting with weather is very hard.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's another one I was going to ask. You
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  Speaker 3: were part of that group. What was that shoot like?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you'd wake up every day, and you'd
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  Speaker 6: go to the set, and you'd wonder what you're doing
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  Speaker 6: that day, because we would have a weatherman on set.
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  Speaker 5: And he would say, okay, this is the place that's cloudy.
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  Speaker 6: We've got to go here. And if we had to
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  Speaker 6: go there, well, if it had to be a farm,
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  Speaker 6: then we had to shoot this scene, or if it
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  Speaker 6: was a... You know, Dirt Road, we had to shoot
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  Speaker 6: that scene. So you never really knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 6: Everything was based on the weather, because every time they
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  Speaker 6: had a clear sky, that meant more money for CGI
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  Speaker 6: and ILM, and that's not what they wanted to do.
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  Speaker 5: Every sunny day, everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Would be like, God damn it!
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  Speaker 5: So you really do become, like, real storm chasers.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were literally, yeah, the film crew were storm chasers, absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: And is Bill Paxton all right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's fun. He's from Texas, and yeah, he was
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  Speaker 6: a lot of fun. He was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: He always seems like something's going on there, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure what it is sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Neither did we, necessarily.
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  Speaker 6: There are times that you're like, wow, what is going
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  Speaker 6: on with this guy?
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  Speaker 5: But he's fun. He's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Another one of our favorites on the show is Idle Hands.
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  Speaker 3: How did you get involved in that one?
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  Speaker 6: That was a commercial director that I had worked with.
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  Speaker 6: I had a big little stretch in the 90s, and
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  Speaker 6: I knew Seth Green from before. Just a quick audition
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  Speaker 6: in there, and that was.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of fun.
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  Speaker 6: I loved that script. I thought it was the funnest
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  Speaker 6: script ever. I thought some of the casting was weird.
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  Speaker 6: the lead but but i thought not to be mean
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  Speaker 6: but i mean seth was amazing and i thought it
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  Speaker 6: was all really really fun but i thought and it's
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  Speaker 6: funny i worked with jessica alba on never been kissed
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  Speaker 6: and then worked on this right after so it's kind
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  Speaker 6: of funny watching going wow she's gonna be a big
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  Speaker 6: star i.
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  Speaker 3: Think stop following me around god me around this chick
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  Speaker 3: won't leave me alone yeah exactly Well, then, again, to
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  Speaker 3: veer off in a different direction, and I'm sure people
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  Speaker 3: are weirded out by the fact that at least two
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  Speaker 3: of us on the show are very, probably.
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  Speaker 5: Unhealthily, pleased with Wizards of Waverly Place.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's a.
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  Speaker 5: Huge deal in my world, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Being, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Supposedly grown-ups.
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  Speaker 6: We're not really.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, so I still think it's a really well-put-together show,
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  Speaker 3: and yours was one of the more fun episodes ever.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of pressure on that one because,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, my God, I auditioned. It took a week
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  Speaker 6: for them to decide. They went to the networks to
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  Speaker 6: go to the very top. I was like, this is
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  Speaker 6: a Disney show. Why are you putting this much effort
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  Speaker 6: into this? But it was because it's their big Halloween show,
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  Speaker 6: and they wanted to make sure it was great, so.
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  Speaker 5: And, yeah, I was, you know, on paper, it just
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  Speaker 5: said Mantooth in these lines.
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  Speaker 6: They had no idea. They obviously didn't know what they wanted. But, luckily,
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  Speaker 6: I went in there and, you know, created something that
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  Speaker 6: they liked. And there was that. So it was really fun.
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  Speaker 12: How are the kids there? Everybody was great. Selena took
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  Speaker 12: pictures of my family.
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  Speaker 8: Nice.
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  Speaker 6: The dad ate lunch with us. I mean, everyone was
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  Speaker 6: super nice, super friendly. It was a great set to
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  Speaker 6: be on. And I was on it with Danny Roebuck
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  Speaker 6: at the time, too. He was a great character actor.
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  Speaker 5: And a big horror fan himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he's a huge horror fan.
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  Speaker 6: He's actually helping me with my Dorothy 50 years later. Nice. He's...
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  Speaker 6: He co-wrote and is going to direct the next installment
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  Speaker 6: of Dorothy 50 years later. That's how much he loves it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's one I was going to ask about. Is
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  Speaker 5: that one of those that came from.
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  Speaker 6: That came from Groundlings, actually. That's an old Groundlings sketch
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  Speaker 6: that I did years ago. I loved it, and I
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  Speaker 6: left the movie, and everyone was like, oh, it's so amazing,
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  Speaker 6: because they had redone it and put it out on screens,
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  Speaker 6: and we all wanted to see it on screen. And
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  Speaker 6: I said, God, this sucks. She's stuck in this black-and-white
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  Speaker 6: world with older... older parents that aren't really her parents
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  Speaker 6: and they never said they were going to take care
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  Speaker 6: of the dog that like that was if she was
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  Speaker 6: cleared up which it wasn't and then bottom line everybody
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  Speaker 6: thought she was crazy because she said you you you
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  Speaker 6: and you were there and then everyone looks at each
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  Speaker 6: other goes sure we were sure you were yeah i'm
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  Speaker 6: sure i was i'm sure so you know she that
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  Speaker 6: was her destiny to be the crazy lady in town
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  Speaker 6: you know so that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah i mean if there was you know skip that
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  Speaker 3: return to oz thing if you do come back and
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  Speaker 3: check in she's She's going to have a very weird life.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, she's not going to think, you know, the dusty, shitty,
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  Speaker 6: run-down farm is not the backyard you really need to
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  Speaker 6: stay in the rest of your life. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 5: Go back to Oz.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, go back to Oz, please. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So how did it transfer into you becoming the part
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  Speaker 3: more than anything?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I just thought, well, I've got to do this.
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  Speaker 6: Because we were doing monologues, and so I wrote this monologue,
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  Speaker 6: and a friend of mine took me out, and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you're making it too jokey. Actually, Employee of the Month,
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  Speaker 6: the guy who plays my manager, Tim Bagley, he took
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  Speaker 6: me out to lunch when we were growling together and said,
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  Speaker 6: you've got to make it her. Make it her talking
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  Speaker 6: about it. Don't just make a bunch of jokes. And
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  Speaker 6: that was a great note, and I changed it into
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  Speaker 6: her just ranting by herself. And then years later, I
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  Speaker 6: just knew for posterity I really wanted it on film,
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  Speaker 6: and I had the amazing Brandon Trost, who works with
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  Speaker 6: Rob Zombie all the time, just shot Seth Rogen's directorial debut,
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  Speaker 6: and he's a really.
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  Speaker 5: Very talented DP.
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  Speaker 6: And we went out and shot it in like 45
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  Speaker 6: minutes because I just knew the monologue, and that was it.
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  Speaker 6: It was really great.
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  Speaker 5: Cut it together, so... And is it still short film?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's only two minutes long. So there's
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  Speaker 6: something in there, but I haven't figured out which direction
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  Speaker 6: I'd get it. It would be great as an Adult
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  Speaker 6: Swim 15-minute.
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  Speaker 5: Show, I think, you know, or it could be... It
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  Speaker 5: would be hard to do a feature.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be hard to do a feature unless
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  Speaker 6: you're the right angle, and there's a couple of angles
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  Speaker 6: that are good, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Really specific story to make her work. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: We'll see. Interesting.
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  Speaker 5: And then, I guess, if you've got new stuff, is
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  Speaker 5: it Hatchet 3 is the next big one?
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  Speaker 6: Hatchet 3 is, I'm finishing up next month. I'm also
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  Speaker 6: doing a new movie called All Saints Eve, which shoots
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  Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh. That's happening in two weeks, where I'm one
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  Speaker 6: of the leads. And that's from the head DP that
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  Speaker 6: did a lot of the Hellraiser movies, Ice Keeps Friday, so...
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty exciting stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Harris is back, and Adam's writing this one again.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: This one promises to be pretty cool, so I can't
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  Speaker 6: say more than that. It is a good cast, though.
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  Speaker 5: They keep bringing in all the horror favorites.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It should be fun.
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  Speaker 10: It should be fun.
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  Speaker 5: It should be really fun.
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  Speaker 11: And B.J.
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  Speaker 5: McDonald is an awesome director. Really fun.
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  Speaker 12: He worked on the other ones. He was the DP
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  Speaker 12: for the other two, so he knows the world.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Adam's really great, so it's going to be one to watch.
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  Speaker 3: And anything else before we cross over into the movie here?
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  Speaker 6: No, that's good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we ran the gamut of my ego.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, with that, I think we'll take a break here.
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  Speaker 3: And we've lured you into discussing this week's movie, so
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  Speaker 3: we will be back with this week's movie.
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  Speaker 13: There's no money, there's no possessions Only obsession, I don't
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  Speaker 13: need that shit Take my money, take my obsession.
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  Speaker 14: I just want to be heard Loud and clear, all
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  Speaker 14: my words Coming from within, man, tell them what you.
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  Speaker 8: Heard It's about a revolution In your.
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  Speaker 14: Heart and in your mind To define a conclusion Lifestyle
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  Speaker 14: and obsession Diamonds raise, give you nothing but a lifelong
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  Speaker 14: lesson In your pocketbook, stress it You're a slave to
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  Speaker 14: the system Working jobs that you hate For that shit
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  Speaker 14: you don't need Is too bad, the world is based
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  Speaker 14: on greed Step back.
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  Speaker 15: And see.
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  Speaker 6: Let's all go to the lobby.
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  Speaker 16: Let's all go to the lobby.
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  Speaker 6: Let's all go to.
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  Speaker 16: The lobby to get ourselves a treat.
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  Speaker 11: Delicious things to eat.
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  Speaker 16: The popcorn can't be beat The sparkling drinks are just
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  Speaker 16: dandy The chocolate bars and the candy So let's all
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  Speaker 16: go to.
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  Speaker 17: The lobby To get.
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  Speaker 16: Ourselves a treat Let's all go to the lobby to
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  Speaker 16: get ourselves a treat.
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  Speaker 11: Horrors of Spider Island.
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  Speaker 9: Eight beautiful girls and one lone man struggling for survival.
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  Speaker 9: With death, sudden, violent, and horrible lurking in the shadows.
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  Speaker 11: Horrors of Spider Island.
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  Speaker 9: Out of the night came a fate worse than death.
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  Speaker 9: A man's mind twisted, his brain poisoned, with an uncontrollable
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  Speaker 9: lust to kill.
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  Speaker 11: Horrors of Spider Island.
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  Speaker 9: A tale of terror that will leave you limp. So
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  Speaker 9: hideous and shocking, you won't believe your eyes. His hunger
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  Speaker 9: for victims was never satisfied. Prepare to be frightened out
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  Speaker 9: of your wits by.
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  Speaker 11: The horrors of Spider Island.
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  Speaker 18: time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 3: Who am I?
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  Speaker 8: You sure you want to know?
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  Speaker 6: If somebody told you I was just your average, ordinary guy,
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  Speaker 6: not a care in the world, somebody lied.
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  Speaker 3: Truth is, it wasn't always like this.
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  Speaker 5: It was a time when life.
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  Speaker 16: Was a lot less complicated.
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  Speaker 6: Can I take your picture for the school paper?
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  Speaker 11: Sure.
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  Speaker 8: In this lab, we have 15 genetically enhanced super spiders.
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  Speaker 8: There's 14. One's missing. Peter, are you all right? I'm fine.
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  Speaker 11: Hey, look, you're changing.
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  Speaker 6: No, not exactly.
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  Speaker 19: Wow.
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  Speaker 13: Peter, may I introduce my father, Norman Osborn?
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  Speaker 3: Great honor to meet you, sir. Harry tells me you're
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  Speaker 3: quite the science whiz.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm something of a scientist myself.
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  Speaker 3: What the hell is that.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever it is somebody has to stop.
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  Speaker 1: It with great power comes great responsibility this is.
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  Speaker 6: My gift wow it is my curse who are you
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  Speaker 6: who am i.
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  Speaker 8: I'm spider-man.
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  Speaker 20: Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
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  Speaker 15: Spins a web in his hands, catches bees to not
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  Speaker 15: fly again.
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  Speaker 1: Here comes the Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 8: This is strong, this is.
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  Speaker 4: Bold.
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  Speaker 7: He's got radio after the load.
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  Speaker 21: He can scream from a thread, take a look over
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  Speaker 21: any land.
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  Speaker 16: Can We'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 22: In the chills of the night I'm the scene of
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  Speaker 22: a crime Life is a dream, don't.
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  Speaker 23: Be lied to You rise in time Spider-Man, Spider-Man Friendly neighborhood.
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  Speaker 15: Spider-Man When the man is ignored Action is, is rewarded
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  Speaker 15: Look out!
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  Speaker 4: Here comes Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 2: Look out!
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 6: This week's Sofa Theater feature is Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not the one you're thinking of.
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  Speaker 6: The year is 2002.
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  Speaker 3: The director, Sam Raimi. The plot, according to IMDb, when
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  Speaker 3: bitten by a genetically modified spider, a nerdy, shy, and
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  Speaker 3: awkward high school student gains spider-like abilities that he eventually
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  Speaker 3: must use to fight evil as a superhero after tragedy
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  Speaker 3: befalls his family.
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  Speaker 6: Spoiler alert?
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  Speaker 5: I figure by now you're... If you don't know that
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  Speaker 5: going in, you're in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, if you don't know what happens
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  Speaker 3: to Spider-Man, he's been around for a while.
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  Speaker 6: Been around for a while. Nothing new. So, yeah, we.
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  Speaker 3: You suggested discussing the Sam Raimi version of Spider-Man in
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  Speaker 3: sort of the wake of the new Spider-Man coming out,
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  Speaker 3: the amazing Spider-Man that just hit theaters, and then we
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  Speaker 3: both went and saw that, so we're going to kind
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  Speaker 3: of touch on differences and just sort of do.
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  Speaker 6: An overall thing.
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  Speaker 11: So.
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  Speaker 3: With that, I guess, where do you want to start
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  Speaker 3: with the Sam Raimi one?
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  Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think with any movie, you
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  Speaker 6: walk out and you say, you know, does it stay
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  Speaker 6: with you in any way? Are you excited about it
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  Speaker 6: later on? Is it in your brain in any capacity?
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  Speaker 6: And I remember seeing the end of the Sam Raimi
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  Speaker 6: one and going, oh, that's such a great ending. You know,
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  Speaker 6: like he had to blow her off and... and saying,
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  Speaker 6: I am Spider-Man, and then the great sequence at the
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  Speaker 6: end of him flying, and I was, you know, and the.
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  Speaker 12: Crowd went crazy, but it was really, I think it
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  Speaker 12: was fun. It was just a funner movie. Now, are
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  Speaker 12: there things I hate?
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  Speaker 5: Do I hate Macy Gray?
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  Speaker 23: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you. It's so lame.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: It's so lame, and I really don't like the... the
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  Speaker 6: like new york people on the.
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  Speaker 5: Bridge going spider-man's old friend you know leave him alone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah it's horrendous like those parts pretty bad are really
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  Speaker 4: really bad but i think in terms of the other
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  Speaker 4: stuff it's kind of a perfect film and i think
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  Speaker 4: the love story the angst of the love story plays
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  Speaker 4: into more of the angst of Him.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to figure out who he is. And, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it was just a funner, it's a fun ride.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one, and I think we discussed that
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  Speaker 3: not too long ago, like comparing to in that week
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  Speaker 3: of the Batman thing where everything became so dark. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this one has a lot of, you know, his life
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  Speaker 3: is pretty rough, but at the same time it's still... Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go back to the comics and the
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  Speaker 3: animated shows, they were all really kind of light about it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they had fun with it. And they still
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  Speaker 3: keep a little of that sense in this movie.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Which I think is a good thing. The other thing, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we were talking about just the way that
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  Speaker 3: the dynamic of it works. I think that is a
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  Speaker 3: big difference versus going to see this new one now.
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  Speaker 5: If we want to start getting into crossover stuff.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think what works so well about that first one
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  Speaker 3: is it is like this... or the Sam Raimi one,
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  Speaker 3: is the fact that it really does sort of give
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  Speaker 3: you this perfect little, like, origin story. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 3: those get worn out, and I think that's part of
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  Speaker 3: the problem. But this one gets right to it, like
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  Speaker 3: within that first scene. Yeah, within five minutes, he is
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  Speaker 3: a nerd.
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  Speaker 6: He's a nerd.
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  Speaker 3: He's a nerd.
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  Speaker 5: He pines for that girl.
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  Speaker 6: He is an outcast. He's a photographer. We get to
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  Speaker 6: meet Harry Osborn and his son immediately. And he's bitten
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  Speaker 6: within the first ten minutes, which is genius to me.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, let's get there right away. I think that's
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  Speaker 6: what works so well about that one. So tight. It
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  Speaker 6: looks tight.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very tight, structurally perfect movie.
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  Speaker 3: And it gives you, it's one of those, like, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of, I mean, everybody sort of knows that anyway,
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  Speaker 3: so do you need to drag it out and give
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  Speaker 3: the whole backstory on the spider bite and all this
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  Speaker 3: stuff where it's like, we know where it's going, just
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  Speaker 3: turn him into Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it gives you more time for him to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be swinging around the city, fighting time, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And I would say that, you know, if they knew,
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot of problems with the new one, and
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  Speaker 6: one of them being... That, you know, the original one,
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  Speaker 6: it was an escaped spider, never meant to be around anybody.
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  Speaker 6: These other ones could have bitten thousands of people in
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  Speaker 6: that place. And if they knew they were so great,
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  Speaker 6: why wouldn't they have tried this years ago?
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  Speaker 8: And....
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  Speaker 6: And everybody should be bitten by spiders. Plus, someone raised
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  Speaker 6: a good point to me recently, he doesn't turn into
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  Speaker 6: the whole spider. He doesn't get web abilities, and he
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  Speaker 6: could be a fly because he's just sticky. He's not
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  Speaker 6: able to jump really far. He gets bruised really easily.
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  Speaker 6: He's kind of half a Spider-Man, which is kind of weird.
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  Speaker 5: Which was one of the things I liked that they
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  Speaker 5: changed in the Raimi version.
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  Speaker 3: Because, again, in the comics and even the series, he
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  Speaker 3: always had, like, those cheesy web shooters, and he would always.
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  Speaker 6: Be running out of web fluid. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I always thought, I was like, why does he get
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  Speaker 3: all the other powers and not webs?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It never made sense even in the comic.
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  Speaker 3: Right. If he's Spider-Man, why doesn't he have spider webs,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 8: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the best thing I think they did
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  Speaker 3: in that Raimi version, was go ahead and just full-fledged
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  Speaker 3: make him Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And there's just too many iconic... If you can
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  Speaker 6: walk away from a movie and you have iconic things,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: like with great power comes great responsibility, and that upside-down
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  Speaker 6: kissing scene, which I guess the Broadway show ripped off, too.
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  Speaker 6: But those are iconic moments in movie history. And that
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  Speaker 6: right there, I don't know if I'm going to walk
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  Speaker 6: away from this new one with something going, oh, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: I love the thing where they... oh, did that fast
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  Speaker 6: sequence for the 3D. You know what I mean? And sorry,
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  Speaker 6: but the Sam Raimi one was not made for 3D.
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  Speaker 6: So you always have a slant for 3D that you go, ah,
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  Speaker 6: but I didn't go to the 3D show. I didn't either.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't want to. I didn't want to. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: didn't want to either. And it's too, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: stuff is so fast and in your face that I
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  Speaker 6: think the grace of the, I mean, of course they
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: were trying to up the ante of him fighting which
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  Speaker 6: I think they did well, but I thought they went
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  Speaker 6: far enough in the Dr. Octopus one. Yeah. And this
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  Speaker 6: one was so fast and crazy that it's not like
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  Speaker 6: I'm going back to the movie to say, I want
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  Speaker 6: to see what I missed in that sequence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, almost so fast that it becomes confusing. Again, they're
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: starting to fall into that weird Transformers thing where let's
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  Speaker 3: throw so much action and movement at the screen that
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  Speaker 3: for a second you're like, wait, what did he just do?
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay, he's back again.
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  Speaker 3: Where they never do that with the Raimi one. I mean, it's, again,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: looking at the effects end of it, you can tell
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  Speaker 3: it's all computer animated. But it's good computer animation.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And it's one of those you couldn't do it any
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  Speaker 3: other way. So you always kind of gave it a
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  Speaker 3: pass with the Raimi one.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And looking at this one, it's like, okay, we've had
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: how many years to improve on it? And it's like,
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  Speaker 3: number one, I don't think it looks better.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then the more I watched it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I was like, I think it looks a little worse.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and why does he take his mask off every
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: 10 seconds? That's a studio note.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: You know it's a studio note.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: They're just like, oh, this is our pretty lead.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: We've got to get that mask off of him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: No, and the right people, you know, his mask was
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: off and he was fighting those guys, but she couldn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: see him in the alleyway, in the Raimi version.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: She couldn't see him.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: But this guy takes it off for the kid, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: he takes it off for the cop, and all the
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: cops see him, and everybody, you know. And when it
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: does come off, it's that one time in the second
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  Speaker 6: movie where it's very important that that happened. And they say,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: you know, and it's a big moment. You're like, oh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Spider-Man's mask is off. This one, you're like, is he
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: going to have his fucking mask on?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, does he ever wear the mask?
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Does he ever wear the mask?
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: And I'm... hated the spandex I get it they're trying
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: to up it it's just too shiny and I don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: know and the other thing that's weird about it is
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: he's tall he's gawky looking and Spider-Man to me is
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: like short, stocky, not stocky, but, you know. He's just
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: a dorky kid. Yeah, he's a dorky kid, but he's
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: got a long, lanky Spider-Man, which is weird to me.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: That was, I mean, maybe that's not a big deal,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: but it was to me. I thought it was weird.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's another thing I noticed, like, watching it again,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the Raimi one, is, like, how perfect Tobey is for that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, was there ever a role he
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: was made for more than Peter Parker?
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, a lot of times, I actually worked
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: with Tobey years ago, and I used to go, wow,
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: he doesn't do anything.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: He doesn't do anything. He just kind of is there
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: and just full or whatever.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: And I was kind of excited to see him in
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: this role because he had to do a lot more.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: And it was really cool to see him do it. And,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: you know, quite frankly, I miss J. Jonah Jameson.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: And the whole Daily Bugle thing and taking the pictures. And,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: you know, they try to do homages to that. But,
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: you know, and I thought the Osborne thing was much better,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: much simpler, simpler. And they just left so many things.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Where's the Indian guy, you know? Where'd the Indian guy go?
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: They let him go, and then they just dropped that story.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: And then, like, what happened to my dad? Like, they
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: just dropped that story, too. He doesn't go in there
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: and go, what happened to my dad? You must know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: He just kind of forgets it.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, come back for the sequel. Yeah, well, no.
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  Speaker 6: The nice thing is, in the rainy one, it's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: perfectly structured... They don't leave a bunch of loose ends.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Everything's very tight and simple and... And I think that's
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: what's really important in good filmmaking is you keep it
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  Speaker 6: really tight, you know, and not leave a bunch of
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: loose ends. And, you know, look, it's just a darker version.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: It's just darker, which is okay. It's darker, but sometimes
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: it's not.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Like, watching it, I was like, it focuses on different things,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: A lot of really dark moments in the Raimi one
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: that I kind of glossed over. When I went back
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and watched it, I was like, it's... I mean, there's
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: times when you can tell it's Raimi again. Again, it's
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a more polished Raimi.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: It's that, like, you know, the.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Gift and, you know.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: It's the later Raimi when you could see he was
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: getting really pretty polished about his filmmaking. But there's still
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: those moments, like the flashes that Osborn has that's like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Very Evil Dead. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And then the more I went into it, the whole
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Osborn thing, it's like... It's also a very horrific character.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: It's not even like a cheesy sci-fi supervillain. The more
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you get into it, I'm like, he's Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: He's the wolfman.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: He wakes up, he doesn't know what he did.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: He's killed people. He feels guilty about it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: He's totally like an old-school horror character.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: And here, it's like we don't have any of that
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: to deal with, really.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And again, I think that gave it a lot darker
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: feel to that Raimi one that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Wasn't necessarily even.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It's something probably people didn't expect that first time around,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that you didn't have to take his character there.
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: But I think that adds something to it. I liked
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: the sun, you know, Harry Osborn, I liked that. It
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: was really great.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, it just had some more emotional.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: things to it too which i which i really really
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: dug i mean i thought that was really great and
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: sally feels too young and she's still cute too cute
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: yeah she definitely doesn't look.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean i mean aunt may and the rainy one
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: like that's exactly.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: Her yeah and i did like i did like i
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: did like in the new one that he had he
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: was a vigilante all he what you know when dennis
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: nary talks about all he's trying to do is be
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: he was that's exactly what he was trying to do
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: he's just trying to get that guy Which I get.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: And I like that. And then he turns himself around
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: when he realizes he can save that kid. He's like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: wait a minute, I can be more. But they did,
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: you know, and they just glossed him for that. When
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: they're like, oh, unanswered questions makes you stronger. And I'm like,
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: unanswered questions makes me frustrated. Fuck, I'm sitting in this
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: audience going, why would you introduce so many things and
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: only take care of half of them?
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: Sequel.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's the bummer.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a good structure to your first movie.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: That's not a good structure.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: And they don't have any of that. Yeah, the Raimi
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: one is like, it leaves an open ending where you can,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: like a comic book, you can continue on to a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: new chapter.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: But at least it had closure.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: But it closes everything that needs to. It takes care
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: of all those issues.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, yeah, this one where it just kind
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: of like.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: And it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Dropped those things at the very end of the funeral
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: scene with Harry and her kissing him at the end.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: They left that for the end, but they didn't leave
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: so many big things wide open.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: The Indian guy's alive somewhere. You know, it's just crazy, so.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: I definitely agree with you in terms of structuring stuff
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: for a sequel, structuring. It felt more like a business movie.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: And you know what?
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Look, I wasn't into, you know, James Dean, Peter Parker.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: The angst-ridden, you know, weepy Peter Parker.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Which, again, is very different than the way Toby plays it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Toby really is just a.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And that's what's funny. It's like, he gets powers within
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the first five minutes. He's still a dork. Like, he
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: still can't catch the bus. He still can't get the girl.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, even with superpowers, he's still screwed.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: And that's more interesting to me.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I think, where this one, I'm just like, well, you're
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: watching him in the beginning, and you're like, well, why
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't he get the girl?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, you look at.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Him, and it's like, he's no different than the guy
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: who's supposedly.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Picking on him. And I think, ultimately... Ultimately, I give
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: a shit about the Raimi character's appearance. And that's a
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: taste thing and a casting thing, but I actually cared
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: about those people as opposed to caring about any of
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: the recent cast. I didn't really... like Aunt May that
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: much I mean I love Sally Field but it's like
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: she didn't have anything to do I didn't care I
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: didn't care if they got together or not I didn't
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: I like Emma Stone but I you know she's been
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: in three movies where she's 26 and then all of
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: a sudden we have to swallow she's 17 that was
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: really hard you know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: That was the only thing I was going to say.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I do really like Emma Stone in general.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, in general.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And I think even in this movie.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, she's great.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I think she is the best part of this movie.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: She's the best part.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: You're right.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: She's the best part. And Dennis Leary, I think, is great.
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: But he's not... He's no J.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Jonah Jameson.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's basically doing what he did on his TV series.
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: He's a professional guy.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: He's doing his job. It's like it's no different than
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: a fireman, basically.
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's about the only thing I will give
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the new version is that I think.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Emma Stone. The Emma Stone and the dynamic between them, which.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: The sad part is it doesn't come into play until, like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: two-thirds in when they really start having a little, like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: once she's in on it, I think it's a really
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: cool dynamic.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: And I like the chemistry between them.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: As much as I'm not big on him, I think those.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Two together kind of does something interesting that I wish
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: they'd done more with.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Right, right. Yeah, I definitely, you know, that scene in
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: the hallway with them being awkward with each other, they're
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: very well done, and there's definitely stuff to that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: I mean.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: It's just that he has so many things that he
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: has to carry and is not able to resolve that,
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: you know, that's why he's hunched over and crying like
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: James Dean because it's like, God, writer, write me out
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: of this nightmare.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I think even, like, towards the end when there's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: that little dynamic of she's still kind of in on it,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: like the secret thing, not to spoil the new one, but,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, when he makes that little comment at the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: very end and you're just like.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: I hated that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: Did you? Okay.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I did, I did.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: I thought that was just weak.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: I mean.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Just, I mean, just, you know, be a movie.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Be a full movie. Finish your movie. Let that be
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: part of it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Again, it was too many things saying.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: There's going to be another one.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely setting up the next one. But again,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I think just the chemistry there, I liked. And again,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: probably the Emma Stone part of it made it work.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Emma Stone made it work. Yeah, exactly.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: That made it work.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: And then her calling out, like, exactly why... she's you
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: know why he's breaking up with her and she knows
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: within a minute.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah i was like come on what did you read
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the script oh wait you did yeah we'll just have
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the balls to like make it hard on him yeah let.
• 35:44
  Speaker 20: It be hard on him yeah again toby's the hell
• 35:47
  Speaker 20: yeah he sucks at the end but he realizes with
• 35:51
  Speaker 20: great power becomes responsibility and it ties it up perfectly
• 35:54
  Speaker 20: going And that's not always fun.
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: And that's hard.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: That's hard to do.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: It's one of those greater good moments.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, I have to sacrifice my own personal happiness
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: for what's.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: Better for the world, you know?
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: It really is a heroic thing that he has to do.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: Where this one, it's like, eh.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: We'll be together next movie. Yeah, we'll be together next movie.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: I wonder what's coming up next.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, we're in, you agree, right?
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Sam Raimi won much better. Yeah, much better.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: And I think, again, going back and re-watching it this time,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: there's a couple things I noticed. Number one is it
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: does do that origin story so perfectly to the point
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: that all the other movies, because it was 2002, so
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: it was before that big boom came through, and, like,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: all the other ones started kind of mimicking it, sometimes
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: even specifically. Looking at it after seeing Kick-Ass, I'm like,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kick-Ass does an almost shot-for-shot version of, you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: a comedic take on what would really happen is you
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: just get hit by a truck, or somebody stab you, or,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like there's so many good things. And again,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: they do some really good stuff in Kick-Ass, but the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: reason that it turns out so good is because they're
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: drawing from this perfect, like, straight version.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think he does this great origin story. Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: But like I said, it also does it and gets
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: on with the movie really fast. Watching this new one,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: my problem is, I'm sitting there, and it's like an
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: hour in, and I'm like, is he still learning how
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to swing on wedge?
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: It's a pilot for a TV series. It's not its
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: own movie. It needs to be its own movie. And again,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: this is before, you know, it was more run by business.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: It's before they wanted to push the 3D technology. You know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: they're putting in their fail-safes to have a sequel. I
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: think that's why they went the other direction with the
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: more artsy actor and Emma Stone and things like that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: And the artsy director. Yeah, and the artsy director. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I get it. But even they can't offset.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: The way it felt like. a building of a franchise
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: as opposed to, you know, a movie.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and again, that was Spider-Man before any
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: of that superhero wave took off, so it really could
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: have been a one-off movie if it didn't do that good.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry it was going to, but it
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: could have.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: And, yeah, exactly, exactly, because they left it open just
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: in case, but that's fine. You always leave it just
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: in case.
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: The one thing I will, since we've been sort of
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: giving a lot of love to the Raimi version, Right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: The one thing I will, I mean, even from the
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: first time I sat in the theater and saw it,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: him in the green.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: Goblin suit is kind of silly.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: It's still Power Rangers.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: That was a rough part. It was only really rough
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: when they had their scenes together.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was talking, basically.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Because there's no mouth, and it does. It looks like
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: somebody's voicing over Power Rangers. But I think, again, it's like.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: But they made it work for what was going on.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I think he almost realized that, and that's why you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: get all those really smart scenes where it's him talking
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: to the mask, and you don't have that. So you
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: get more of that crazy aspect.
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: Somebody there?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Somebody.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Who said that?
• 39:09
  Speaker 11: Don't play the innocent with me. You've known all along.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Follow the cold shiver running down your spine.
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: I'm right here. I don't understand. Did you think it
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: was coincidence?
• 39:44
  Speaker 23: So many good things all happening for you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: All for you, Norman. What do you want? To say
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: what you want. To do what you can't.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: To remove those in your way.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: That's something I originally didn't like, but I did give
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: it a pass after realizing how... So there's only like
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: three scenes where it really comes into play and he's
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: delivering cheesy lines through the mask. Yeah, exactly.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: And they did do that test run of like, originally
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: it was going to be more like... by, oh, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: it was going to be more of a, yeah, there's
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: test footage of him in that where he's actually like
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Green Goblin and he looks more like the actual one.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I think they just scrapped that and went
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: with the helmet instead, which, they both have issues.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But again, you put Willem Dafoe in there.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. He's so good.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's so good.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: He's, I mean, like I said with the Jekyll and
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Hyde thing, he also becomes sort of.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: This reluctant villain.
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: He's beaten down by these He's crazy, basically.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he becomes crazy.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: And he's sad about what he's doing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: He hates it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So, in a way, yeah, you don't feel as, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: you don't hate him as much as you dislike he's
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: doing horrible things and Spider-Man has to stop him. But
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: you see how conflicted he is and how well the
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: quote plays that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: It's well done. It was great, yeah. It was funny.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: This was just an observation that I think, a weird
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Hollywood thing, that I think it's funny that they took
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: the very iconic two female leads, they took a girl
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: who was known for being a blonde and made her
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: a redhead, and then they took a girl who was
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: known for being a redhead and made her a blonde.
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: That was weird, and I'm not sure why.
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: And I can't really speak to the Gwen Stacy versus MJ,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: you know, background.
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: I don't really know.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: But I'll tell you one thing.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Gwen Stacy is at all, but you knew who MJ was.
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: And you knew who Harry Osborn were a lot better
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: than you did Gwen Stacy. You really don't know who
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: she is.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: What's important to her or anything.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And you don't know what her agenda is.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Once you realize she's working on the inside there, you're
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: just like, okay, is she.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: Connected to what's going on?
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It's like they were almost laying that out. Maybe they
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: could put that twist in there, and then they... Yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really... Well, so far, again, got to come
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: back to the sequel and see where they really go
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: with it, but... The one thing with the Mary Jane
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: thing is, like, she, as a character, she does sort
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of just fall into what she's supposed to be that
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: first movie.
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's the second movie, which, again, becomes a
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: much better movie.
• 42:20
  Speaker 23: Right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Where she sort of breaks out of that. And you
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: really do start to get a feel for her as
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: a person.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: You start to see more.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: Of them as a couple. But you also know she
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: had a dream and she was a loser.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It's a loser.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Like, she's like, I'm going to prove that I'm not
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: a loser.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And then she.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: who is one still.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: She is Peter Parker. Dealing with all the same issues
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: she is and comes from that same place. So you
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: do see they are sort of meant to be together
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: in some sense.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Were you listening to that? No. Well, I heard, but
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: I was just taking out the trash. I guess you
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: can always hear us. Well, everybody shouts.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Your aunt and uncle don't.
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: They can scream pretty good sometimes. So where are you
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: going after you graduate? I, uh.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I want to move into the city.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: And hopefully, uh, get a job as a photographer.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Work my way through college.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: What about you?
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: Headed for the city, too.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Can't wait to get out of here.
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: I want to....
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: What? Come on.
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: Try me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I want to.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: Act.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: On stage.
• 43:47
  Speaker 23: Really?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Well, that's perfect.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: You're awesome in all the school plays.
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Peter, that was first grade.
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: Well, even so, sometimes.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: You know people.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: You can just see what's coming.
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: What do you see coming for you? I don't know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is, Something I never felt before.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: But they do, she ends up being a much richer
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: character by the second movie.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Where maybe that's what will happen with Gwen Stacy, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: at this point, yeah, she's just sort of, she's got
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: a good dynamic, but yeah, as a story, you don't
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing with her.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I felt she was the least realized.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And I was going to see what your take was
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: on having all these other movies come out since then.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Something like, kick-ass that looks at it in a very
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you know different view.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah like a real yeah i love that movie or.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Um or again then as much as kick-ass sort of
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: like flipped it over super one up that i mean
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: super is really hardcore i didn't see super oh man
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: it's i mean it's the same basic idea they're doing
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: with kick-ass but he just pulls no punches like he
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: it is a mean spirited movie at times And so
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: it is almost weird to go back and look at
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the Raimi one now because it does seem innocent.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really is this wide-eyed comic book movie. Yeah,
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: and I love that. I think that's really fun.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And in a way, that's sort of why I still
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: ended up loving it, going back and re-watching it, because
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: it holds up in that version, that old-school kind of
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: real comic book kind of story.
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: You do too much. You're not Superman, you know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Well, then, I guess, just to kind of wrap up,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: just to sort of put it in perspective, of all the, like...
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Because then, this is still the Marvel Universe, and we
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: had that giant wave of, like, Marvel superhero movies.
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: So, I don't know.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, how does this fit into that for you?
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Avengers was Joss Whedon.
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but that's a different.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: That is a different animal.
• 46:10
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: It's a different level. He's done commercial stuff. He's done
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: it really, really well. And, you know, the Avengers was...
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: what you strike where it's after you know when Bryan
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: Singer did X-Men yeah you want that level where they
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: understand the dynamic of everybody and I mean to juggle
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: all those different characters but he did it so well
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: and kept it simple in terms of, you know, eight
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: bad guys coming from space, you know. But it left
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: us with, I mean, you know, the best of Mark
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Ruffalo was so great. Oh, yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: He's such a good addition to that story.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: So great. And the Hulk obviously just stole the movie.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: He does. But, you know, it was handled much better
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: where this one felt like. I mean, it was a
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: person's touch that we all respect as opposed to, you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: this felt more like a business thing. To me, it
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: just felt more business-y, more like this is the new
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: way to build a franchise. I think they were trying
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: to learn from Christopher Nolan, but Christopher Nolan Lite doesn't work.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: And I think that's where the Mark Webb went. I mean,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: that's the thing. He's a talented director.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Potential what he could do with stuff but to me
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: i think what they didn't do is they didn't stray
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: far enough with the right right it seems so familiar
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: and again i think that's why i'm so bored that
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: first hour or more i'm just like get to it
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: we've seen the origin we know how he gets bit
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: we know how he learns to use his power like
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: again we've already seen that in all these other ones
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: it's like we don't lay down.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: You're the father thing if you're not going to do
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: anything yeah then let it be an obsession let it
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: be something that drives him and he keeps saying but
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: you knew my father where did he go i mean
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I think that's where the new one sort
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: of falls short, is it doesn't do enough. Like, if
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: they're going to do, especially bringing in an arty director
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: like that, if they're going to do something different, skip
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: that origin story. Focus on, you know, he's a relationship
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: kind of director, you know. Focus on that weird Emma
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Stone thing that he didn't do. Whereas, Raimi just does
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: a cool comic book movie, and that's why it holds
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: up so well.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: He's a bigger fan.
• 48:08
  Speaker 11: Definitely.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Awesome, man.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: Thanks for letting me sit on the sofa.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: Thanks for sitting in.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: And should people find you online?
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you go to ThatGuy, you go to www.facebook.com, ThatGuySeanWhalen,
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: no spaces, and you can always message me there. And
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: my Twitter is at ThatGuySMW.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Very cool. Good to have you on the show this week,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: and thanks for sitting in with us.
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 24: Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can. Spins a web,
• 49:01
  Speaker 24: sweet surprise, catches thieves, just like flies.
• 49:05
  Speaker 15: Look out!
• 49:09
  Speaker 24: Here comes the Spider-Man!
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: Spider-Man! He's got strongness and blood.
• 49:24
  Speaker 15: He's got radioactive blood. Can it swing from a thread?
• 49:32
  Speaker 15: No escape from his spider web.
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: Look out!
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: Listen and understand that Metal Mikey is out there. It
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And it absolutely
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: will not stop ever until you are an action attraction fan.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: Action attraction. Your home for all things action. To find
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: out more, visit metalmikey.lipson.com or search for Action Attraction in iTunes.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Hi, you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: This is Patti Mullen.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: Want a date?
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: Going out?
• 50:27
  Speaker 25: Looking for some action?
• 50:29
  Speaker 24: Need some company?
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Have fun.
• 50:38
  Speaker 15: It's part of your problem.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: You know, you haven't seen enough movies. All of life's
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: riddles are answered in the movies.
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: And now, on with the show.
• 51:07
  Speaker 15: Living on the edge, fighting cries, spinning webs, swinging from
• 51:10
  Speaker 15: the highest ledge, he could leap above our heads. Villains
• 51:20
  Speaker 15: on the rise and the cities victimized, looking up with
• 51:23
  Speaker 15: no surprise, arriving in the speed of time.
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: Ah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: All right, so we're back.
• 51:35
  Speaker 15: And now, Misty.
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: Hello.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: And Junior here. Hey, what's up?
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: I don't know if we need to discuss the convention
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: in any way.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: What's your take on it?
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: It's pretty good.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's been going pretty well.
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: My boyfriend got a date with somebody else, apparently.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 26: Yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: Was it Patty Mullen? Is that her name? The Frankenhooker?
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Frankenhooker.
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: She is ridiculously cute and beautiful and sweet.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Very nice. And looks really good.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: We can't really decide how old she is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: We were trying to do the math.
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: Apparently everybody was wrong when the movie was released. Because
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: apparently everybody thinks it was from the 80s. But according
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: to the internet, it was out in the 1990s. I
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: don't know, but whatever. But either way, she still looks
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: really nice.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: She looks good. And she was ridiculously, like, cheery to
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: be there.
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: I know, right?
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: What's up with that?
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Maybe she doesn't do very many conventions.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe so.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: And then we saw Tracy Lord's cleavage.
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, we did.
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: Which, for her age, is still quite doable, I guess.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Literally, I suppose.
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: At first I thought maybe she had weird stuff done recently.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: But no, I think they're just wasted. I think it's
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: just the presentation on them.
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: They got, like, a crane in there or something?
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to put a little work into it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: Some tape? Some hoists? Is there little elves in there, like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: hoisting that shit up?
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: We can go ask her and see. You're in charge
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: of that part.
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: No, I'm kind of afraid. She might, like, throw stuff
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: at me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe so.
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: But, I mean, for her age, I don't know how
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: old she is. She still looks okay.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: She looked pretty good. Yeah, she's had a rough life,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: so I was pleased to see she's looking good and
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: hanging in there.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: Literally hang it in there.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Or out, depending on.
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: What else? I bought some trading cards. That was pretty exciting.
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: So hopefully I'll have my complete set of Rocketeer cards now,
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: considering the last time I bought like 40 packs and
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: I'm still missing one fucking card. One fucking card out
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: of the entire fucking set. One card. So if my
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: one card is not in this incomplete box that I
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: have right here beside me, I'm going to be pissed.
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: And then I bought some monsters in my pocket cards.
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty excited about those, too. I'm excited about trading cards.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Misty has a trading card problem, if you will.
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: My problem is I don't have enough. It's very relaxing.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: It calms my nerves. Whatever it takes, I'm okay with it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: She buys them and sorts them and categorizes them and
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: packages them.
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: Put them in a binder. They have to be in order.
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: The whole process is very... I'm pretty sure I've already
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: discussed this before, but the whole process... getting the trading
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: cards and putting them in order and putting them in
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: a binder is very therapeutic for me so whatever keeps
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: me from killing everybody else in the world we should
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: all be happy because that's what it's that's what you
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: know trading cards.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: It's in your best interest jay best best interest and.
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: If i get trading cards that are already in order
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: i make jay shuffle them for me so that i
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: have the joy of putting them in order again because
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: otherwise it's just frustrating.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: This is what i'm saying there's a problem edward but
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: i mean you're dealing with it you found the most
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: productive way.
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: To deal with it i haven't killed anybody yet.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: That's good today The day. It's still early, but.
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we ain't done yet. The day ain't over, bitches.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: So, as of the last convention we were at, which
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: has only been a week, really, but, you know, we're
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: mixing up episodes, but last time we were at a convention,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: we were given something, and Misty has taken it upon
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: herself to... What are we calling your book segment? I
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Can Read?
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: I Can Read!
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: I Can Read!
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: And it's.
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: Got pictures. It's not a pop-up book, so I was
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: kind of disappointed in that, but it's a book, and
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: it's got a lot of pictures, and it's got a
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: couple words.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: So Misty's going to give her take on this piece
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: of literature.
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: It's a fine piece of literature. It is called Bad
• 55:57
  Speaker 8: Off Boris and the Cupcake Cave-In. I think, let's see,
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: the story is written by Scott Mallory and the art
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: and digital compilation by Robbie Brown. And it's about Boris
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: and he's a cupcake. And the art in here is
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: ridiculously cute. It's all like kind of dark art. But
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: it's in a cupcake land, so it's got like cupcakes
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: and desserts. And it's got, it's like Boris Karloff if
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: he was a cupcake.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Frankenstein style Boris Karloff, only his head
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: is like a cupcake.
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: And his best friend is Boris, who looks like Boris Karloff.
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: Bella.
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: Bella Lugosi, I was Boris as the main character. I'm sorry,
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: I got confused, it's so complex. So, yeah, Bella is
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: Bella Lugosi, and he looks like the Dracula and everything,
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: and he's got a little red cherry on his head,
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: and he's so cute.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Because he's also a cupcake.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: Well, it's a very sad story, but the artwork in
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: here is fantastic. I mean, I do love the art.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: It's very... It's creepy.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: But it's cute.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: Is that making any sense?
• 56:59
  Speaker 18: It is, actually.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: It's almost, like, darker than you would expect for a
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: kid's book, but at the same time, it's like... very
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: uplifting story and, you know, has fun cupcakes and stuff.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: You didn't read the story at all, did you?
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I can read.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: No, you can't.
• 57:15
  Speaker 17: Oh, man.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: There's pictures. I looked at the pictures.
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: It's a sad story. Boris, he's pretty badass, and apparently
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: he likes nothing more than to play basketball. Well, then
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: his leg breaks. I completely laugh. Like, if you're a cupcake,
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: that's a hazard you might have to face in life.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: It really is a scary picture. His leg's just snapping off.
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: It's like disintegrating in cupcake crumbs or something. So he's sad.
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: And he goes to get the job at the Cupcake Factory,
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: at the Cupcake Cave, which is where the story, I guess,
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: the climax takes place. But apparently he makes a wish
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: on this bottle, and it gives him apparently this ass-kicking boot.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: And Boris, he saves the day. He's all like Big
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: John and shit from the Big John song.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Do we need a spoiler alert on this?
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: It's a very uplifting story. And I'd say for the
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: artwork alone, you should at least look at it, because
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: the artwork's fantastic. I love it. That's why I was like, yay, artwork.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: And if I could find the website, I would tell
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: you what it was.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: It's in the book.
• 58:16
  Speaker 16: Hold on.
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure it's in here. God damn it. Oh,
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: the website would be www.blackcloudbooks.com. Or there's another one, too, www.dungeoncomics.net.
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: You should be able to find some information on it
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: on there. But like I said, the artwork alone is
• 58:36
  Speaker 8: pretty damn awesome. So I highly recommend Bad Off Boris
• 58:40
  Speaker 8: and the Cupcake Cave-In because it's pretty fantastic. And Scott's
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: the one who pawned it off on us. So yay
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: for Scott and your uplifting story of cupcakes and cave-ins
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: and whatnot. So yay. And Robbie Brown did do some
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: fantastic artwork. I'm not going to lie. I was pretty excited.
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: That's what won me over. I mean, the story's all
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: uplifting if that's what you're into it. I'm not a
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: very uplifting person.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: We all know.
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean, i said the story is good
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: if you're it's it's it's a good story it's it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: it's got a happy ending if you're into that but
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: here he is kicking some ass look at that pretty damn.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Awesome that's a boom it's a boom boom kaboom hell yeah.
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: But uh yeah that's an awesome book so yay for
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: books and it's got pictures and i read.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: It i can read i can read It would have
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: been better if it had.
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Been a pop-up book, though.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: So send all your pop-up books to Misty.
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: Hell yeah. Dude, that would be awesome. Or any good
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: pop-up book recommendations. That'd be rowdy. What else? I don't
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: think we have any other stories from this weekend so far.
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: I got a Bo Duke tattoo. That was pretty exciting.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we can do that. That's a pretty
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: geeky geek activity. Do you want to go into that?
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: I was getting my extra. I'd had an ongoing process.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Mine's just geekery. I don't know. It's pretty geeky, too, though.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: It's total geekery porn.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: Oh, my God.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: Look at that girl's tattoo right there. It's got an
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: owl on it.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 15: That's ridiculously cute.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Speaking of which, so when I was done, I set
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Misty up with her appointment, and what did you get?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: Bodook.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: A young John Schneider in all his flippy hair glory.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: He's looking at me right now.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: He is.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: It's kind of creepy. His eyes follow me.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: He's gorgeous. He's like one of those Jesus pictures where
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: they follow you everywhere you go. That's photos. So yay.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: It's pretty awesome. I'm pretty excited. Now Corey has a friend.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: They hang out. They talk. They keep me up late
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: at night sometimes.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I can imagine this happening.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: Power Satan and whatnot carrying on. Tell them one with
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: the other ones because they don't see the same thing
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: most of the time. One with one way, one with
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: the other. So they have to like get their story straight.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: They are on opposite legs. That will happen, I suppose.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: I know. That's why I have to cross my legs
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: so they can talk. I don't really do that because
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: that would just be silly.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: There's so many reasons you have a problem.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: So, so many. What else?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Do you have anything to share in this episode?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: No. She likes books.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: You don't have to talk about the book. Talk about
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: anything in general. Don't take awesome half of it.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: I went to work.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: I about melted my ass off.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: That's not awesome.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 18: It sucks. Put them off this weekend.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: So, hey, I'm up at the convention. Hanging out at
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the convention. Hanging out at the convention.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 26: Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: You're stalking some cinnabites.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: Stalking some cinnabites.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: As long as they got flavor crystals.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: I have seen quite a few awesome outfits. We did
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: see the clown from It. That was pretty awesome because
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: he had balloons.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Wait, what was that guy's comment about it?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: I don't remember.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: He knew it. It's not rape if I have balloons.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: No. No.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: That was the t-shirt we saw.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: You know what's scary? What the fuck? I heard that too.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Something to that effect.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: I don't remember the first part of it.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 11: But yeah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: Just certain people's reactions. I think he's somebody who works here,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: so he's not here for the convention. So when you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: get an outsider who doesn't seem to understand what normally
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: goes on with these kind of things, they're just like,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: oh my god. It's a whole different world for them.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: They weren't thrusted too voluntarily. It just kind of takes
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: them by surprise.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: You just come to work at the hotel, and next
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: thing you know, you're surrounded by creepy, creepy people.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and us.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I included us in that first one.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: I'm not creepy. I'm not creepy at all. I don't
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: think I am.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: I'm awesome. I scanned a picture of Sean Patrick Flannery,
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  Speaker 8: and I'm pretty excited.
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  Speaker 3: That was last time.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: I know that was totally last week, but still, I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: got my picture of Sean Patrick Flannery. And I got
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: two pictures, and I don't think his face moved.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised he had time to take a break from
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: going to the bathroom.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: Dude, seriously. I wish I could have scammed one with
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: Norman Reedus, too. He was so greasy.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I was in there at the same time he was,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: one of his 40 or 50 times.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: Did he wash his hands?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, he did, actually. I was very proud of him
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: on that front.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: Was it Norman Reedus or Sean Patrick Finer?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: No, Sean Patrick Finer.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 11: Good.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I was trying not to look at him too much
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: because it goes against the code when you're, or at
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: least within a certain group of guys in the bathroom.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I guess certain guys have different roles. But in general,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: usually it's, you know, you don't, like, stare at other people.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: You should have been taking pictures.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: That's not cool. Yeah, you don't look over.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I like you. Eye contact in the bathroom leads to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: very odd situations.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: Hey, powder, what you got there?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Hey, nice cock. This is why I didn't say any
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: of these. I was like, yeah, I'll have to go
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: tell Misty I was in the bathroom with John Patrick Flanagan.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: I got my picture taken with him.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: I did not take any pictures in there.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: You should have. That would have been awesome. I probably
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: would have posted those on Facebook.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Dude, can we pose?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: Let's get somebody to stand behind you two at the urinal.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: And give them thumbs up. That would have been awesome.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Two thumbs up.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: Oh, crap.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: Think of any other awesome stories we had from last
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: weekend since we didn't talk that much during part of it. No,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: I don't have any. Are there any more awesome stories
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: from this week?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 15: A dick?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: We're going to talk about how much.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure Ace Freed is a dick.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not really thrilled with his pricing on his signatures.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: I'm not a Kiss fan in general, so I think
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: it's ridiculous. I mean, $ 30 to sign something, that's at
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: least reasonable, I suppose.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: That's the way the system works.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: But then they're going to have like $ 60 for premium items.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: They determine what's premium. What the fuck are you to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: determine what's premium, you asshat? Because you're bringing your own shit,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: you know?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Whenever they can charge more.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: And then $ 500 goddamn dollars to sign a fucking guitar
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: that you own.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, your own guitar.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: It's not like he's selling you a guitar. He's writing
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: his goddamn name on a guitar.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: He probably could. He works at Guitar Center now, doesn't he?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 15: I don't know.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: Oh, I didn't see Mink Stoll in there.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: She might have got the table earlier. I didn't talk
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: to Dick Miller. He was awesome. He's old.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: That's what happens. He's like 83.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: What do you expect?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: He's hanging in there, man. Telling fun Gremlins facts.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think you heard what I was talking about.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: I love Gremlins. I love Gizmo.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: You're an artist, aren't you?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: I'm an artist.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I got to meet Dick Miller. That was fun.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: That was very cool. Anything else we need to plug?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 11: I mean.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: I finally finished The Walking Dead 2 and the mom
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: is a stupid whore. Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: I can't argue that, actually. She's the worst mom ever.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: And Daryl's the best part of the show.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 11: That show.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: Normally we read a few songs.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Somebody needs to be watching that damn kid. That's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: all I got to say.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Dude's serious.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: That kid?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: No, he's not. He's not in the fucking house. Why
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: is he never, like, why is nobody ever watching that child?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: They're both kind of the worst parents.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: Because nobody cares.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants him dead. I guess.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: But really, just kill the mom.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: The moms are really annoying.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: The kid's running a close second, I suppose.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: That kid.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: They need a leash for him, I swear.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: Little monkey shaped ones. Those are pretty funny. I wanted
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: to beat that kid to death. I was rooting for
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: the zombie down by the creek.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: I kind of was too.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, can we bring Sophia back and trade
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: her out?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I like Sophia.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: She went a little faster.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Sophia seemed alright. Let's trade her out for that kid.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: He gets them in trouble every time.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: I know, right?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: He's a little weenie.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: If he'd actually fucking shot the zombie down by the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 8: fucking creek. Dale would still be around. Dale's getting kind
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: of annoying.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Dale was pretty whiny too, really. But he was the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: voice of reason that they kind of needed.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: Nobody likes the voice of reason.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's why he's dead now.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: Actually, I think the best, most level-headed, most fucking clearest-minded
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: motherfucker on there is Daryl Dixon. And that's a goddamn shame.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: He is the most common-sense, level-headed, to me it seems like,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: the most easy-to-get-along-with.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 27: He's eating squirrels or wearing ear necklaces.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: He's not crazy.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 25: I'd hang out with him over half of them anyways,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 25: as long as he leaves the squirrels at home, you know?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 25: I ain't cool with that, but everybody's got their thing,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 25: you know? I got trading cards, he's got squirrels, you know?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 8: And ears. I'm okay with that. Even the zombie ears
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: don't bother me that damn much.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: That's fine. People used to do that in war, you know?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: It's a zombie war. That's what happens, man.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 11: Or tongs.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I'd hang out with Daryl. I want to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: get at him with a washcloth first, because.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Hose him down.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: That bitch is grubby.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Zombie apocalypse. I guess that happened.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: Everybody, nobody else is that damn dirty.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Well, he's dirty.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: I clean him up. I get a rag, I spit
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: on it. Like that. That's my cleanest dad. Thanks, squeaky
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: clean later, rubber ducky.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: It's kind of greasy. He kind of needs it in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: real life. No, I'd wash his hair for him. I'd
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: get him some of that, uh, That, uh... What's that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: shampoo where you gotta use water? That way I don't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: have to get him wet. You get that dry shampoo.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: He's always in the bathroom.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 10: Dude.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: You wanna try to hold him down?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: No, not really.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 8: He seems like he's lost weight. I could probably take
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: him at this point.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: You might be able to.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: You're getting kind of spindly. Aw, there he is on
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: the phone. Yay. Off track.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Alright, I think that should wrap it up.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: So.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: We have enjoyed our day here at the Days of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: the Dead. And thanks to Sean for sitting in with us.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: And otherwise, they've got several more. They've spread out quite
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: a bit in this last year.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: They're going to.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: Be in, what, Chicago?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: Chicago.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: L.A.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Got three or four a year now at least.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: Is it Atlanta?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I think so, yeah. So all of it should be
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: at daysofthedead.net.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: Days of the Dead.net.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: There you go. So, yeah, go check it out. And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: that should be it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: Check out Bad Off Boris and the Cupcake Cave-In. I'm
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: hoping I got that right because Jay already.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Put the book up. Otherwise, that about does it. We
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: will return next week. Same geek time, same geek group.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: Bye.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: I can read.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 25: Bye.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 23: Poor Peter Parker was pitiful Couldn't have been any shyer
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 23: Mary Jane still wouldn't notice him Even.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: If his hair was.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: On fire.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 26: He went to that science lab That mutated spider came
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 26: down Oh, and now Peter crawls over everyone's walls And
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 26: he's swinging all over town.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 17: La, la, la, la-dee-da-ha La, la, la-dee-da-da-da-da.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 21: You're the Spider-Man Sing us a web tonight Cause we're
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 21: all in the mood for a hero now And there's
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 21: evildoers to fight.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 23: Now Harry the rich kid's a friend to his Who
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 23: horns in on Mary Jane But to his great surprise
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 23: it seems she prefers guys Who can kiss upside down in.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: The rain.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: With great power comes great responsibility That's the catchphrase of
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: old Uncle Ben.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 21: If you missed it, don't worry, they'll.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Say the line Again and again and.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 17: Again Oh, la, la, la, dee, dee, dah La, la, dee, dee, dah, dah, dah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 23: Now Norman's a billionaire scientist Who never had time for
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 23: his son But then something went screwy And before you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 23: knew he was trying to kill everyone.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: And he's riding around on that glider thing And he's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: throwing that weird pumpkin bomb Yes, he's wearing that dumb
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: Power Rangers mask But.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: He's scarier without it on Sling us a web, you're.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 21: The Spider-Man Sling us a web tonight Cause you're brave
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 21: and you're strong and so limber now But where'd you
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 21: come up with those tights?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 23: It's a pretty sad day at the funeral. Norman Osborn
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 23: has bitten the dust. And I heard Harry said he
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 23: wants Spider-Man dead. Ah, but his buddy Pete, he can trust.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, and MJ is all hot for Peter now.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 26: Ah, but Peter, he just shuts her down.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 19: Mary Jane, don't you cry.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: You can give it a try.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 23: Again, when the sequel comes around.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 9: Hola.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 19: Sling us a web, you're the Spider-Man. Sling us a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 19: web tonight.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 15: Cause we all sure could use us a hero now.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 19: We think that you'll do all right.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 27: It seems odd because all the movie covers I remember
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 27: were like faded by the sun.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 27: It seems more like, to me, I remember like maybe mid-80s,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 27: late 80s.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking like 86. That's what I'm thinking.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 27: Because I seem to remember that being in the video store.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: That's weird.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: By 90, I wasn't really in, you know? I don't know.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: Maybe like you said.
• 1:14:08
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• 1:14:10
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• 1:14:14
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• 1:14:17
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• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: Talk hard!