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I, Frankenstein · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effin' vast.
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  Speaker 2: Start changing it with the Bechdelcast. Hello, Bechdelcast listeners. It's me, I, Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: And it is I, Jamie. And we are here to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that you have unfortunately been enlisted. In the
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  Speaker 1: roar of demons versus gargoyles.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And it's up to you which side
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  Speaker 2: you're fighting on.
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  Speaker 1: Where is the battleground? Well, in an empty soundstage in
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  Speaker 1: like Bulgravia or something. Um, yep. Yep. Hope you're ready.
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  Speaker 1: Hope you're ready because Aaron Eckhart is pivoting and it's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna go well for him.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Are you, if you were enlisting in the war of
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  Speaker 1: demons versus gargoyles, I forget if we talked about this
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  Speaker 1: in the original episode a half decade ago, who are
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  Speaker 1: you siding with?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the movie wants us to think that the
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  Speaker 2: gargoyles are the good guys. I don't really know what
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  Speaker 2: they stand for. gonna say i guess just sort of
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  Speaker 2: like protecting society question mark.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going i'm going demons demons i'm going demon strictly
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  Speaker 1: on like vibes strictly on who i would rather be
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  Speaker 1: spending time with i would rather be spending with bill
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  Speaker 1: nighy than whining whining whining adam frankenstein and his eye
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  Speaker 1: party gargoyle queen honkshoe no thank you oh i i
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  Speaker 1: see your point okay well But also, welcome to this
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  Speaker 1: unlocked Patreon episode. One that people can say we still
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  Speaker 1: have strong feelings about to this day. It is an
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  Speaker 1: iconic bad movie. I, comma, conic. I, comma, conically horrible I, Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 1: We're unlocking it for spooky season and we are just also, oh,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to iFrankenstein Nation if you're not a member of
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  Speaker 1: our matrion. And speaking of which, if you're not a
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  Speaker 1: member of our matrion, this is an unlocked episode. And
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  Speaker 1: you'll notice we said this was recorded in 2021. It
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  Speaker 1: was still during lockdown because we have a backlog of episodes.
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  Speaker 1: almost 10 years worth of episodes on the Matreon. And
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  Speaker 1: it is always cost the same. It costs $ 5 a
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  Speaker 1: month for two new episodes with just Caitlin and I
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  Speaker 1: on a theme of ours or yours, or sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: collaboration choosing. And we always have a really fun time.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little looser, a little more fun. Uh, not
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  Speaker 1: that the main feed isn't fun, but you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah. It's, it's a blast. It's always cost
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  Speaker 1: the same. And as we always say, it's the best
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  Speaker 1: way to support the show. So if you're not a member,
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  Speaker 1: it's also just really fun. And if you're a member,
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  Speaker 1: you get discounts on various things like tour tickets. Caitlin,
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  Speaker 1: take it away.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Have you ever heard of our 10-year
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  Speaker 2: anniversary tour?
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully. We've really been trying to make you aware.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The Whoops We Didn't Dismantle the Patriarchy tour. The
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  Speaker 2: celebration of us doing this podcast for 10 years. Some
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  Speaker 2: things to know about it. One, we are doing this
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  Speaker 2: tour in different legs over the course of the next year,
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  Speaker 2: starting with the Northeast of the U.S. So we are
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  Speaker 2: doing shows in mid-October. If you're listening to this right
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  Speaker 2: when this is released, it's next week. So if you
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  Speaker 2: Jamie mentioned, you get a discount if you're a Matreon. Also, Matrons,
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  Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's a blast. And our shows, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were very psyched to go on the full country tour.
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  Speaker 1: But for now, if you haven't gotten tickets in the
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  Speaker 1: Northeast yet, we're talking... New York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore
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  Speaker 1: State College, as Caitlin said. We hope to see you there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Also, just a little bit about the show. Because
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  Speaker 2: oftentimes when we've done live shows, it's on a specific movie.
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  Speaker 2: Listeners will come prepped having watched the movie themselves. This
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a variety show about the last 10 years
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  Speaker 2: Indeed. And then we'll be announcing shows for upcoming legs
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  Speaker 1: And finally, we wanted to remind you, we've been posting
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  Speaker 2: Among other things.
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  Speaker 1: So that's our autumn housekeeping. Thank you if you're still here.
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  Speaker 1: And with that, let's get into it. So as we said,
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  Speaker 1: this was a Lockdown era episode. So if you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: references to current events, that is what we are referring to.
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  Speaker 1: And we are also referring to one of 21st century
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  Speaker 1: cinema's greatest gems. Yes. You'll be hooting and hollering, I
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  Speaker 1: am a demon prince at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: The Bechdelcast. I'm so excited to talk about it because
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  Speaker 1: I have such a bizarre history with it and it's
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  Speaker 1: so iconic. So I guess I just think, Caitlin, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: For watching this. Hey, thank you. Well, let's dive in
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  Speaker 2: with your history and we'll go from there. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I just really quick. Did you have fun watching it?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I watched it twice.
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  Speaker 1: There's never been a movie you need to watch twice less.
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  Speaker 2: I know. But then, well, I found it kind of
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  Speaker 2: hard to follow because the screenwriting is not good. So
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  Speaker 2: I was really confused by a lot of plot points.
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  Speaker 2: So watching it twice helped me because I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I sort of better understand the plot.
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  Speaker 1: I so badly want to know what everyone was told
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  Speaker 1: this was going to be versus what it was. But okay. So, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this I Frankenstein iconic bad movie, I think an
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  Speaker 1: underrated bad movie that will, I don't, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it's going to take to get I Frankenstein really on,
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  Speaker 1: on the map as like one of the best bad
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  Speaker 1: movies ever. In existence? Because it has every.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, it's not iconic as
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  Speaker 2: being a bad movie. It's just a movie no one's
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  Speaker 2: seen or knows about. But it has the potential.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so... You know, it's like if you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about what makes... A bad movie fun. This movie has
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  Speaker 1: basically everything. It has like a big star thinking they're
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  Speaker 1: in a good movie, but they're not. There is like
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  Speaker 1: someone who is clearly just taking a paycheck. That being
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  Speaker 1: Bill Nighy.
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  Speaker 2: Bad CGI.
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  Speaker 1: There's just like. It takes itself so seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Expository dialogue out the ass.
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  Speaker 1: It clearly is setting itself up for a sequel. It
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  Speaker 1: thinks it's a franchise. Everything about it, it's an iconic
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  Speaker 1: bad movie. If you haven't seen it, it's streaming, I think,
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  Speaker 1: on Hulu and Amazon. You can't avoid it, and yet
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  Speaker 1: no one's seen it. It's such a fun bad movie. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I saw this movie in theaters two times. What?
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  Speaker 2: Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: The first time was in 3D. This was really, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is fun because it has to do with a
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  Speaker 1: mutual friend of ours. So this movie came out while I,
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  Speaker 1: it came out in early 2014? Yeah, it came out
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  Speaker 1: in January 2014. I was still in college and I
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  Speaker 1: was working at Improv Boston with Jake McDowell and then
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  Speaker 1: we would hang out every night after work, and we
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  Speaker 1: would smoke weed and go to a drive-thru. And when
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  Speaker 1: we learned about iFrankenstein, yeah, Jake and I really just
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  Speaker 1: were like, we have to see this. It seems... so
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  Speaker 1: bad like we have to go and so we went
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  Speaker 1: to the theater in downtown boston we went to like
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  Speaker 1: a midnight showing on a thursday night the night it came.
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  Speaker 2: Out wow the the amc the like boston common amc
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  Speaker 2: we paid.
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  Speaker 1: Like $ 20 to yeah to see this movie in 3D
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  Speaker 1: there was like no one there so we were really
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  Speaker 1: loud which is like always a fun moment when you
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  Speaker 1: don't need to be quiet in a movie theater love
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  Speaker 1: it and it's just so it was exactly what we
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  Speaker 1: wanted and it was the same I think this was
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  Speaker 1: like the year after we had kind of like, we
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  Speaker 1: made a habit of going to bad movies together. It
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  Speaker 1: was just like a fun friendship, whatever. But we had
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  Speaker 1: like done the same thing with Ashton Kutcher's jobs. And
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  Speaker 1: that was like another iconically bad movie that we loved. And,
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  Speaker 1: but I Frankenstein, this movie is fun to watch alone,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like so fun to watch in a group because.
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  Speaker 2: It's just more like we Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's a community builder. It's so, this movie is
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  Speaker 1: so funny it's the best like I just it just
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  Speaker 1: brings back so many good memories and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I do I mean I guess to speak to your
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  Speaker 1: point of like it was helpful to watch it twice
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  Speaker 1: I find something newly makes no sense about this movie
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  Speaker 1: every time I've watched it and I've probably seen it
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  Speaker 1: like 15 times I've seen this movie so much Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So that is why I love iFrankenstein. So this was
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  Speaker 1: your first time seeing it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Have I made you watch it before?
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  Speaker 2: You hadn't made me watch it, but I remember when
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  Speaker 2: it came out, and I thought I had a memory
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  Speaker 2: of seeing this, but when I watched it to prep
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  Speaker 2: for this episode, none of it was familiar, and it
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  Speaker 2: might just be that I have seen Constantine Van Helsing
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  Speaker 2: Underworld and many all the episodes of Buffy the Vampire
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  Speaker 2: Slayer which is like it's all in the same genre
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  Speaker 2: this movie is trying to be a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: so I was like yeah I've seen I Frankenstein and
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  Speaker 2: then I was like wait I don't know that I
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  Speaker 2: have So I think I thought this movie was Constantine
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  Speaker 2: or something, which is that Keanu Reeves movie.
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  Speaker 1: Was Constantine bad?
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  Speaker 2: I think it wasn't necessarily good, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: was maybe better produced than I, Frankenstein, but only because
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: most movies are better produced than I, Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this movie.
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  Speaker 2: IDK.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, I think that most, even though no one
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  Speaker 1: saw it, and this movie was like a huge flop, and.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where is Aaron Eckhart at this? I'm not
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  Speaker 1: like this certainly didn't kill his career, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a big swing and definitely nobody saw it and it
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  Speaker 1: sucked and it has 5% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is wild.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: It has... One of the lowest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's still working. He's great. I guess
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  Speaker 1: he was in the Romanovs. But this was, I think,
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  Speaker 1: one of his last big starring roles for a while,
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  Speaker 1: which is funny, but probably not for him yet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he also wasn't that much of a leading man
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  Speaker 2: before this either, because even though he was in The
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  Speaker 2: Dark Knight, he was like, one of the villains, and
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  Speaker 2: he was in Erin Brockovich, but is, like, her on-again,
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: off-again boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of Batman, I mainly knew him as the guy
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  Speaker 1: from Thank You for Smoking, which I haven't seen in
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  Speaker 1: a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Same. I own it on DVD, but I've only watched
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  Speaker 2: it once. But, yeah, I think other than that, he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't had that many leading roles. So I think he
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  Speaker 2: probably thought, like, I, Frankenstein was going to be his
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  Speaker 2: big breakout, like, star making thing. And it wasn't at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny too. Cause like early 2014, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like is like when the, like making something gritty for
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  Speaker 1: kind of no reason is at its like cinematic peak
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  Speaker 1: where like, I guess Aaron Eckhart happened to be involved
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  Speaker 1: in the largest franchise where it actually like worked pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: We're like making like, We're making Batman gritty was such
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  Speaker 1: an effective, successful tactic. But then it was like movies
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  Speaker 1: were just trying to do that for literally anything, including Frankenstein,
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  Speaker 1: which was gritty.
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  Speaker 2: Which is already gritty.
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  Speaker 1: But then there were.
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 1: love that this movie acknowledges the frankenstein lore for like
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  Speaker 1: 30 seconds and they're like so demons and gargoyles like
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into we'll get into it but there i
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: just wanted to really quickly shout out one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite because it was like this movie was barely talked
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  Speaker 1: about but there was a really good um headline in
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  Speaker 1: the onion that came out when this movie did that
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  Speaker 1: i feel like just wraps up every great thing about
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  Speaker 1: this movie um and it goes like this Aaron Eckhart
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  Speaker 1: likes to make one Frankenstein movie for them, one Frankenstein
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  Speaker 1: movie for himself. I think it's very funny. Yeah. I feel,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's Aaron Eckhart. I also think firmly kind
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  Speaker 1: of falls into one of my favorite types of actor,
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  Speaker 1: which is like, Hot guy who is a character actor,
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  Speaker 1: but people sometimes don't think he's a character actor because
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  Speaker 1: he's too hot. I'm thinking also Brendan Fraser goes in
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  Speaker 1: this category where it's like everyone's like, no, he's a
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  Speaker 1: leading man. But then when he's a leading man, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like this.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways. I like Aaron Eckhart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This movie is... I think that history will remember this
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  Speaker 1: as one of his most... I mean, he's, like, giving
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  Speaker 1: it 110%.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: He's trying way too hard, and it's tragic.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of just doing Christian Bale Batman voice for this. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he's just.
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  Speaker 2: A lot, yeah. I'm Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 1: I'm mysterious. There's... I am not human, nor gargoyle, nor demon.
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  Speaker 1: I am like none other. I wrote down all my
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  Speaker 1: favorite lines. Descend in pain, demon. You're just like, shut up.
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  Speaker 1: It's so corny. And it gets like... I mean, maybe it's,
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  Speaker 1: I know Aaron Eckhart like made a choice and then
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  Speaker 1: just kind of roll with it. But reading his lines
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  Speaker 1: that are already bad in a goofy Christian Bale as
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  Speaker 1: Batman impression does kind of make them worse.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's also like Bill Nighy at one point after
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  Speaker 2: he like, we'll get to it, but he turns into
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  Speaker 2: his like demon form. And the first line he says
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  Speaker 2: is like, I am a demon prince. And then he
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  Speaker 2: pauses for a while, and then he's like, and here's
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  Speaker 2: why that's relevant. But for a while, you just think
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  Speaker 2: he's announcing himself as a demon prince, and it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we know. We've known the whole fucking time.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Nighy fully doesn't know where he is. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on. Bill Nighy... It's so, and this
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  Speaker 1: is also, like, I mean, talk about, like, an iconic
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  Speaker 1: character actor, Bill Nighy, one of my favorites of all time,
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  Speaker 1: who has done some of, like, my favorite character performances.
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  Speaker 1: He was great. If you haven't seen this year's Emma
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  Speaker 1: that came out with Anya Taylor-Joy of the Vovich, I
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  Speaker 1: recommend it. It's such a fun, lighthearted, like, great movie
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  Speaker 1: to watch if you need a pickup.
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  Speaker 2: He's great in Detective Pikachu.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Mewtwo. Bill Nighy knows how to give
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  Speaker 1: a line read. So everything, I mean, I don't blame
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  Speaker 1: any of the performers in this movie. Jai Courtney is
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: in this movie. Like it's just so.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he plays Gideon. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jai Courtney. He's like a generally buff guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: in Jack Reacher. He was in the Divergent series. He
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  Speaker 1: is in, oh, I guess he was in Suicide Squad.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't see that. He's, he's a guy that's in things. Okay.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Who is, I think, kind of like maybe looks like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of hot guys. And so you're like, who?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But he's also in this. I don't blame anyone for
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: being in this movie. And actually, if you're in this movie.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: More power to you.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You're amazing. And I hope you got paid a lot
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, it's so unclear. Like I just, based
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on Bill Nighy's performance, I'm like, I don't know if
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the script was like completed or not when he was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: doing his scenes, but he's like, I am a demon prince.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: And then other times he's like, Frankenstein, so good of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you to come. Like what? Descend in pain, demon.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Incredible. Well, should I do the recap? Which is like
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: one of the longer recaps I've written because again, the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: story is confusing and there's like, exposition that gets revealed
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: over the course of the story but like not in
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a way that is dealt out well.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I honestly i mean for all this is we intentionally
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because we knew we were doing a really heavy episode
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of this month we wanted to do
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a really light episode for the end of this month
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: there's not like a ton of discussion to be had
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: perhaps not so i feel like this is a recap
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: heavy episode yeah yeah i'm very excited for how you
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: are going to recap this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we begin. It is 1795. A monster, our hero,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I come. Frankenstein himself, was created by Victor Frankenstein.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: He tries to get rid of his monster, but he survives,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: comes back, and kills Victor's, his wife.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: His wife.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And then Frankenstein, the doctor, or the scientist, or whatever-
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: dies trying to chase after the monster.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Right but i frankenstein is impervious to the cold so
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: right yes it's fine.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: He's immortal and he doesn't feel cold.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And then it pivots really abruptly.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Suddenly he's like i guess he's well he says something
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: like i buried him in his family's cemetery which is
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: more than he deserves so now he's in a cemetery
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: burying victor frankenstein And some demons show up and they're like, hey, monster,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: we've been looking for you. Our boss, Nabarius, or whatever
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: his name is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Prince Nabarius.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Nabarius wants to talk to you. But a few gargoyles
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: show up and they fight off the demons themselves. And
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: then the gargoyles turn into hot people.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: The gargoyles are so sexy. And they're all dressed like
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: kind of like Greek... Like gladiators? Yeah. They're kind of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: dressed like gladiators.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Except for Queen Leonore, who is.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: She's giving us full eye party realness. Like, she.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's kind of dressed like an elf from the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. And that actor was in Lord
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of the Rings as Eowyn.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, Miranda Otto. Yeah. She's like, and I, again, I'm
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: just like, they got so many like well-regarded, talented people
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to be in this movie. And it's like, did everyone
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: go bankrupt at once? Like what happened? What happened?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Hard to say.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: She does her best.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: She does her best.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think it is so funny that between 1795 and 2014,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: she does not get a new outfit. Yes. It's the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: same outfit.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It's the same one. So the gargoyles take the monster
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: to their leader, Queen Leonore. And she's like, hey, maybe
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you're not just a monster. Even though you don't have
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a soul, maybe you do have feelings. So she names him... Adam,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: which I guess is like a biblical reference.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Get it? Get it? Yeah, the gargoyles are fully... They're
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: so Christian. They live in an abandoned, question mark, church.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: A big issue with this movie is that you have
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: no idea where you are.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What city are they in? They don't... Where are they?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Well, we're... Whatever city they're in, there's no people there,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: except for at a techno club in one scene.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Which, why does he go there? Like, why would Adam
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the Frankenstein monster just waltz into a club where demons,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It took me until my second viewing for it to, like, really, like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: my seeing this movie for the second time in theaters,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second. Like, I knew, I'm like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I have no idea where we are, but, like, part
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of like a big theme is like the gargoyles are
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: protecting the humans, but like, where are the humans? And
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: also are, do the humans, if they're there, do they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: not see that they're like buildings are being destroyed every
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: day by gargoyles and demons, but it doesn't seem to,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the humans don't seem to be like, aware of or
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: actively participate the gargoyles are just kind of fighting on
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: behalf of the humans but it's unclear why that alliance
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: exists too like right i guess like the this church
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: where the gargoyles live is in the middle of a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: square but no one lives there okay just checking and it's.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: In some it's somewhere in europe probably Sure. It might
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: be London because a lot of the characters have British accents,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but we don't know.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Even though they're all Australian. Almost every actor in this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: movie is Australian except for Aaron Eckhart and Bill Nighy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like it's a very Australian heavy movie.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Well, so Queen Leonore is like, hey, I'm going to
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: name you Adam. And we're like, but his name is
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I Frankenstein. But sure, Adam.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it turns out that this dark demon prince, Nibirius,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: wants Adam for something we don't know what yet. There's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: also a book that the gargoyles took off of Victor
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Frankenstein's body as he was being buried. And they're like, Leonore,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: what about this book? And she's like, it must never
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: fall into the wrong hands. Lock it away in a safe.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Why does she care? Oh, because she doesn't want the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: demons to get it because then they'll make their Frankenstein army?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But we don't know that and we don't know that
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: she knows that or would be able to come to
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that conclusion for at least 45 minutes into the movie.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Why are the gargoyles so obsessed with protecting humans when
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: there's no humans around is a question that is quite
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: honestly never fully answered.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I can't say. Okay. So the gargoyles want Adam on
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: their side in this war to protect humans that appear
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: to not be in the world. But Adam is like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: no thanks. I'm a lone wolf and I don't need anybody.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And then one of the most amazing sequences of all time. Sorry.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: You mean when he goes into the woods?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The montage. Yes. So he goes into the woods from
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: 1795 to 2013. Right. But there's that amazing shot that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I just like the first time I saw it, I laugh.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I laugh every time where it's like a bunch of voiceover.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But then it's just a shot of Aaron Eckhart on
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: top of a mountain, winking around nunchucks. They're just like nobody.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: They're just like pipes. Cause they're like, you should have weapons.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Take some of our weapons. So he picks these two,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: just like steel pipes or something. And they're like, those pipes,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: those weapons are bad.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Don't choose those. They're blunt and heavy. And he's like, no, I,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: They're like me. They're ugly and strong. And that's what
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I am like.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: They're not like the other weapons.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Like he just whips them around. He uses them like nunchucks. Right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they're not necessarily nunchucks. But I just, that scene,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: just like he's just passing, he's just glazing over. He's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in the woods for 200 years. Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Doing what?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Whipping around these pipes. Doing what? I don't know. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: have no idea. Everyone in this movie is also immortal. Yes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: He must also... I think he learns to read at
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: some point because he's able to read the book later.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So maybe he spends a lot of time teaching himself
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to read. Who can say?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to see that. Although I do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: love to see him whip around nunchucks for no reason.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's just... It's so ridiculous. So yeah, all of a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: sudden it's 2013. Yes. Basically he.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: He decides for no reason whatsoever. Yeah. That he has
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: hidden long enough and that he is now going to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: hunt those who have been hunting him, even though it
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't really seem like people have been hunting him for
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: those 200 years or at.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: We don't it seems like someone like the demons show
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: up at the end of the 200 years and he
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: gets into a fight with the demons which is one
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of okay one of the best conventions of this movie
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is when a fight is about to happen but then
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: they can't afford to show you the fight so it
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: just cuts to really far away and you just see
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: like he's like i had to kill the demons or
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: whatever like they came for me and it cuts to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like a wide shot of the forest and then it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like a college student photoshop some flames coming out of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the forest right because and that's the battle.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Right, because when a demon descends into hell after it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: been killed, there's a red burst of light that goes downward.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And then when a gargoyle ascends to heaven, there's a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: blue stream of light. Anyway.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I also, this was my first, I did not watch
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the cartoon Gargoyles. So for me, Gargoyles being creatures of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: heaven was a weird mental shift to make. I was like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Gargoyles versus demons, like which, aren't they both mean? But
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in this one, Gargoyles are like angels. They're angels from heaven.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because in the show Gargoyles, and I haven't seen
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it in decades now, but it's not as though they
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: were these like, heavenly righteous creatures in that show but
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: in yeah in this mythology of gargoyles they were created
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: by the archangel michael or something like that they are
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like these like heavenly kind.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Of like why not just make them angels then like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they're yeah they're treated like angels like angels versus demons
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that's i mean that's a book but like There's a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: whole book about it. There's a well-established precedent for angels
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: versus demons.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You mean like the whole religion of Christianity?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: But it's just so weird because it's like the gargoyles
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: do represent Christianity. They live in like a dusty old
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: church where no one goes because there's no people. But like... But, like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they're super Christian, but they're... I know that they're gargoyles
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: on the church. It was just confusing for me. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: was like, the only gargoyle I'm familiar with is, like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the Jason Alexander gargoyle in Hunchback of Notre Dame.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him an angel.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's something about gargoyles that I just don't know about.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I don't really know anything about the history of gargoyles
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: as like iconography or anything like that. So I'd have
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to do some reading about it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: One thing that I kind of always forget about this
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is that it is based on a graphic novel by
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a black screenwriter and a black comic book writer. Kevin,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and we had to look this up, Kevin Grievous. And
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you're not going to believe why he chose that last name.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: He's a goth. No, so especially because we are very
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: aware that, I mean, a lot of the movies that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: we have covered on the show, as well as movies
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: at large, are not... Written by black or non-white screenwriters
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: at all. Of all the things that I love about I, Frankenstein,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: this is one of them. The great Kevin Grievous. So
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he's also in the movie as Dakar, a high-ranking demon
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who is like the head of security for Bill Nighy.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And he has, like, this amazing voice. And he's always, like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: telling Bill Nighy, like, Naberius, this is happening. And then
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Bill Nighy just kind of.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, that guy. Okay, yes.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So he's, like... He is I, Frankenstein, where he... He
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: didn't write the screenplay, but he and the director collaborated
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: on the story. The graphic novel was his. I'm kind
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of curious to read the graphic novel, because I could
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: see this being fun as a graphic novel, but it just, like,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: definitely does not... It's, like... It just definitely... I'm willing
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to put the blame on Stuart Beattie, who is the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: director and wrote the screenplay. Anyways, so yeah, Kevin's in
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: it and he wrote it and he also co-created the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Underworld film. So this resembling Underworld is definitely not a mistake.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It's one of the creators.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So the fact that he's a Black creator of these
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: properties that have been adapted to films in a genre
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that is historically... very white, especially for really mainstream things.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fantasy. I mean, all of the genres this
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: movie is trying to be.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Horror, I guess. Fantasy superhero movie, question mark. But yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: these genres, and it feels like fantasy especially, have been, again,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: historically super white, particularly your mainstream fantasy movies. So it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: awesome that he's been able to break into the mainstream
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: fantasy realm as a Black creator. Yeah. And I hope
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: he's getting the recognition he deserves.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I have some quick, just fun facts about Kevin Grievous,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: because the more I learned about him, I was like, wow,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: what a fascinating character. Story.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Lay it on me.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Kevin Grievous.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So he went to Howard University, has a degree in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: microbiology with minors in chemistry and psychology. Whoa. Then he
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: goes to grad school and he's working towards a master's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: in genetic engineering. He's literally a genius. And then during
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: grad school, he started taking screenwriting classes and he dropped
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: out of grad school to move to LA and become
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a screenwriter. And then he started getting all this work
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and he is like an actor and he's a writer.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm getting his writing credits. Correct. Um,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: But he's been in movies aside from I, Frankenstein. He
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: has been on Star Trek. He was in Hulk.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Which one?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: The Edward Norton one. Oh, no, wait, the Eric Bana one.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, right.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: The Ang Lee one.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It is wild how there are so many. There's too
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: many Hulks. Because there's an Eric Bana one, there's the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Edward Norton one, and then there's the Mark Ruffalo ones.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, am I supposed to care about
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: any of these? I don't know. But back to Kevin Grievous.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So he is heavily involved in the Underworld franchise. He
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: has a number of story by credits in the Underworld franchise.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: He also acts. He's been collaborating. And so it seems
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: like I, Frankenstein is a comic book that he wrote
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that then was like, I mean, he's already in Hollywood, baby.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: He's wheeling and dealing with.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: He's a Kevin of all trades.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: He's grievous for crying out loud. So, Kevin Grievous, kind
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of a legend in this hyper-specific genre. So, shouts out
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to Kevin Grievous. This is my favorite fantasy movie I've
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: ever seen. So yeah, Underworld was Grievous's... So I'm reading
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: from Wikipedia. Grievous's first produced writing credit. He came up
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: with the original concept and premise and then wrote the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: screenplay with a collaborator. So he is the Underworld franchise.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I'm also seeing here... I honestly have not seen the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Underworld movies, but I'm seeing here on... Wikipedia.org. Grievous based
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Underworld on his experiences with interracial dating and the tension
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it often causes. And that he also pulled on his
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: background in science and brought his knowledge of science to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the world of vampires and werewolves. So... Wow. That's grievous
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So Underworld is like allegorical for interracial dating?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It sounds, yeah, I guess so.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I'll have to rewatch those movies.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Have you seen them?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I've seen the first one, but I don't remember it
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: very well. Oh, okay.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: So I know nothing about it. I'm like, I just
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: remember being like, I wish I was a goth, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: this movie would probably scare me. But Bill Nighy is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: also in it. So I think that Bill Nighy and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Kevin Grievous are just like buds, most likely. Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Best friends.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Also, Danny McBride wrote the screenplay for Underworld.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: What?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Did you know?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: What a wild franchise. Random. McBride. Everyone's fascinating. Oh, wait,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: not that Danny McBride. Wait. Well, someone named Danny McBride.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: But not the eastbound and down Danny McBride?
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: No, this is Daniel Flynn McBride. Daniel Flynn McBride is
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: an American stuntman and screenwriter. Best combo I've ever heard.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of people in the Underworld franchise are wearing
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: many hats, it seems. Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: People have requested that we do it. We should cover
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Underworld sometime.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It's a grievous original. And a Danny McBride original. But
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: not that one.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: But not that one. So Adam decides to leave the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: woods and travel to some European city. He gets a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: haircut and suddenly he's way hotter. And it's now present day.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Then we meet Mr. Wessex, a.k.a. Bill Nighy. He is
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: overseeing reanimation science experiments in his lab.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Full villain, glass of tea, behind a glass wall. Like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you got everything.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And one of the two major scientists is Dr. Tara Wade,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: who we'll talk more about later.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Woman in STEM.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: That's true. So Wessex is overseeing these experiments to try
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: to bring corpses back to life. We don't know why.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But then there's this big reveal that he is also
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Prince Nibirius, the demon who has been looking for Frankenstein's
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: monster for centuries. And then you sort of find out why.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Also, sometimes it's I just feel for I love Bill Nye.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: He's so much. I just want to protect him at
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: all costs. But it is kind of funny that like
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in post, sometimes I think when it's maybe not like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: reading in this because sometimes he's like he's supposed to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: be kind of switching between being like. science guy and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: prince nabirius but then sometimes when he's being prince nabirius
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: they just kind of put an echo effect on his
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: voice like it's just like i i am a demon
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: demon prince you're just like oh i guess that's his
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: evil voice.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: His eyes will like flash red.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I will never forget the first, okay, because the CGI
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in this movie, I feel like, I mean, and again,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: it's like not the fault of the people doing it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's clearly a budget issue.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But it is just, it is so bad. And, At
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the end, when Bill Nighy turns into a demon, we've
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: already seen so many bad human to demon transformations, but
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: it still just makes my blood run cold. It's the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever seen in my whole life.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: It's so.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Gross well because some of it's practical like some of
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: it is him in makeup and you're just like like
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: why did he this movie had.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: A 65 million dollar budget so even the things that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: look cheap about this movie is still kind of confusing
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you have to think maybe they just like blew through
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a ton of money in pre-production and then have like
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: three dollars for post-production and But I don't even know.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: It seems like there's shots that are missing. Maybe the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: script changed. There seems to be shots and possibly scenes
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that are missing. They can't afford to do all the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: battles they clearly want to do. The battles they have
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: are really confusing to watch. Like, I don't know what happened.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: There needs to be, like, I have to, like, put
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: everything aside and really talk to some people.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, so then we kind of find out why Nibirius
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: has been looking for Frankenstein this whole time, the monster
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the whole time, which is that He wants to figure
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: out how to create life from corpses, but we still
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly why or what he plans to do
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: with that yet. Then the gargoyles find Adam again, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: they all look the exact same, wearing the same clothes.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and they're like are you gonna help us fight this
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: war yet and he's like no i don't give a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: shit about gargoyles or humans or demons i'm my own
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: man except he's not a man even.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Except he's and he also like he flip-flops so much
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and it's sometimes there's story logic for it and other
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: times he's just like I'm bored. I'm with the gargoyles now.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And then he'll get to the gargoyles and be like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not with you. And I'm like, but you just
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: said you were. Like, Adam, what are you talking about?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of inconsistency with Queen Leonor as well.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And we'll talk about her.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam and Queen Leonor specifically, I feel like are
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the two characters that have the most time dedicated to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: their arc. And also their arc makes sense the least
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: sense it is so inconsistent like yeah sometimes Queen Leonore
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: is like really I think I mean tropey in either
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: direction but like she's switching between tropes like sometimes she's
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: really you know very maternal towards Adam and then other
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: times she's extremely cold and cruel and like evil ruler
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: type towards I'm like and and every time like what
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is motivating any of this behavior I don't know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah because there's that one part where like At the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: beginning when she meets him, she's like, you're human. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: see potential for you to have a soul. Maybe you're
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: more human than you think. I have to protect you.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a name. And then later in the movie,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: she's telling her gargoyle friends to be like, destroy him.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So she wants him dead. But then later she's like,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I have to save him. So it's just like, it's
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: never make a choice. Okay.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: What if you made every choice?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I think we're about 30 minutes into the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: movie now. A bunch of demons attack the Gargoyle Cathedral
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and they capture Queen Leonore. And with her gone, the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: next highest ranking Gargoyle, Gideon, takes Victor Frankenstein's journal that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: had been locked in the vault. It contains these step-by-step
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: instructions on how to reanimate a corpse and how to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: create an iFrankenstein.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Right. Also some pretty incredible fake science in this, too,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: because there's like that scene at the beginning where Tara
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and her, I don't know, her lab friend... yeah they're
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: like running that experiment on the dead gigantic rat where
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like first of all it's horrible to watch but since
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the rat is clearly fake i'm able to suspend my
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: disbelief but just like the fake science in that scene
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: is so like she goes double it i said double
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it and then And then the guy is like, that'll
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: kill it. And she's like, it's already dead. Like, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: guess that's technically true, but that's so dramatic. Like the,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I just, it sounds so, I had to Google her
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: job title to make sure that it wasn't a completely
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: made up job. Oh, electrophysiologist turns out a real thing.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Is that real?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I learned. Okay. Yes. But I don't think that they
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: just go around screaming, double it in regards to electricity.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Electrocuting rats specifically um yeah so gideon gives the journal
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to the demons in order to save the queen and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: then we find out that nabirius is so obsessed with
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: frankenstein's monster and with reanimation in general because he's trying
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to bring back fallen demons and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And now that he has this journal, he has information
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: on how to do that. But there's still a piece
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle that is missing and we don't have yet.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment. But Adam follows
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the demons and discovers this huge room full of corpses
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: that apparently Niberius intends to reanimate. But there's still a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: missing piece of the puzzle that we'll get to.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And now it's like we're too far in the movie
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: for us to still have this many missing pieces to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the puzzle. It's a big issue.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And then Tara, Dr. Wade, she's working for him. She's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: doing all these experiments for Nibirius, but she doesn't know
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that he is a demon overlord because he looks like
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Bill Nighy. But I also didn't know that she wasn't...
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: It took me way too long into the movie for
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: me to be like, oh, she's not like an evil...
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: She's not like one of the bad guys. She's just
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: carrying out his bidding unknowingly.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: She's working for the devil, but it's kind of presented
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like she's a working. She's just like a working stiff.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: She's like a nine to fiver. Yeah. But it's also
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I think that that's also confusing because he's surrounded by
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: people who look like they're in the Matrix. And then
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it's just like her and this other guy. Like it
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: seems like they're his only employees who are not like demons.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: How does she not notice that her boss is pure evil? Like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: look at any of the signs.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: How did she, how long has she been working there? Again,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: a huge glass lab office building where we don't see
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: any other people. One of my favorite exchanges in the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: movie is when, well, we're about to get to I,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein meeting Tara, the woman in STEM. which is one
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of the most incredible entrances of all time. This is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: another scene in iFrankenstein I absolutely love because iFrankenstein just
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: needs to go into her lab. It's an empty building.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: There's so many ways he could get into the building,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: into the room, but he chooses... I'm like, that's where
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the $ 65 million went, Kevin. He bursts through a full
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: window from the ceiling. He crashes into it. It's so unnecessary. Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And he scares them. And then they're like, we're scared
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of you. And he's like, why? You just burst through
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a fucking glass window. Of course they're scared. They work
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: for the dead. Like, they're scared. I don't know.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: He leaves that scene by also jumping through a different
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: window and just, like, bursting the glass there. Also, okay.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: There's so many doors. Back to Dr. Wade somehow not
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: noticing that she's working for the most evil being alive.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: He's having her reanimate corpses.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Her character is so underrated because it's like, if you
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: even take that further of like, where does she live?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Like she lives in this human-less place. Like, does she
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: have any friends? Does she know anyone other than Bill
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Nighy and this one other man? Like, does she know
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a woman? Does she know a woman? is a question
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I had. I don't know that we did. I don't know.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: There's police in this world, and one gets killed, and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that's fun to watch. But there's police, but we don't
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: know who they're supposed to be policing or who they
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: work for because no one lives here. But Tara is
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: so confused. I mean, I at least appreciate that she
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: is the audience leader And I hate the lazy writing
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: trope of like introducing a female character strictly to ask
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: questions about what's going on. I hate that shit. But
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in this movie, you actually kind of really do need
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: someone to be asking those questions because you just don't
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: know what's going on. And so like you're saying, she
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: realizes or she doesn't know she's working for the devil,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: even though she's clearly doing the devil's bidding. But whatever. Like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but then I love that scene where they're walking through.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: It's I think that every time they're walking down like
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: an alleyway, it's the same alleyway. But you're not supposed
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to think that. But it's definitely the same one every time.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: where she's like, what is going on here? And he's like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: there's a war, a war people don't know about, a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: war between gargoyles and demons. I think your boss is
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a demon named Prince Niberius. And she just like keeps
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: following him. I feel like I would be so like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I hope you get the help you need, but I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: don't feel safe right now. Like, you know, like it's just, Like,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you can't just be like... It's just the most ridiculous paragraph.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And Aaron Eckhart is playing it so serious. I don't know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I appreciate... What is the actor's name? Ivan Strahovski? Strahovski?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Ivan Strahovski. I think she does as much as she
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: possibly can. She plays it at least like, what are
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you talking about? Which... Would be the way to play it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: She doesn't believe him at first. She's like, you know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. I don't believe in demons. And then, conveniently,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: right then, a demon shows up. And then there's this
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: big battle between it and... Yeah. Oh, shit. And then
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the demon and Adam fight. And then afterwards, she still
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: is like, I don't know what I saw. I'm not
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: sure if I believe you or not. And it's like,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: what do you think just happened?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Pick one. It's so good I mean and in that
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: scene like she also classic trope she does not really
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: get to participate in any battles at all she's very
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: mainly sidelined I at least there's a few like in
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: terms of how the female characters are treated. There's a few,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: at least I have for this movie. Cause it is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the worst movie of all time. At least she kind
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: of like at the end outsmarts the demon where she's like, no,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I need, I need it alive. I need I Frankenstein.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And so she like tricks him. She's able to get
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: them out of a situation with her knowledge and Which
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's something. The movie still makes no sense.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: And she does grab the book from getting incinerated. She
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: sure does. So that's something. But then this is where
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: we kind of figure out the final piece of the puzzle.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: So basically, Adam steals the journal back and then kidnaps
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Tara because women be getting kidnapped. Because he, I guess,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: needs help making sense of who he is and why
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: he is. And then another demon shows up to deliver
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: some more, kind of the final bit of exposition, which
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: is that they want to reanimate the human bodies that
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Bill Nighy has been storing in his lab because the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: fallen demons... can possess the bodies because a dead body
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a soul and a demon can only possess
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: something that doesn't have a soul. And because Adam doesn't
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: have a soul, that's why he's relevant or something. Or
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: they want the book to figure out how to read.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: It's a whole, it barely makes sense.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: It's so absurd that they make this a reveal and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: don't just tell you this like half an hour ago.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Because as a viewer, you're like, okay, like it's still
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: kind of too much exposition. We were like, I kind
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: of get it. But why would you tell me this
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like 20 minutes before the movie is over? Also, because
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: we are clearly like, we're supposed to be like shipping Dr.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Tara Wade and I Frankenstein and they meet pretty late
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: in the movie. And then he kidnaps her.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: It's like halfway through.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah. And this movie is my favorite kind of movie.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: It's exactly an hour and a half long.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Mercifully.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they meet kind of too late. And then
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the writing is bad. So you're never like, they should kiss.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'd never feel like they should kiss. But the movie
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: really definitely feels like they should kiss.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: It very much wants you to feel that. Because the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: next thing that happens is that after Adam kills this demon,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: they go back to Adam's studio apartment where he's literally.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: His filthy, no light bulbs studio apartment. At what point
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in the story did he sign a lease?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: You see a scene in kind of the montage where
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he is arriving in the nondescript European city where he like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I think the idea is that he's squatting in like
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: an abandoned building. Cause you see him kind of like
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: break down a door and like move in.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. I do remember that. That makes me feel a
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: little bit better. Cause I'm just like, there's also like
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: landlords in this.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Right. Like for who, how much is he trying to
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: assimilate into like human society?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And how much of a point is there in doing that?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and immediately scares people because they're like who is this
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: why is he so serious right.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Because he's got scars all over his face we're meant
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: to think that he's ugly even though it's aaron eckhart
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: who is handsome yeah but okay the final little reveal
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: bit of information that we get i guess might explain
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: some of this where so okay they go back to
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: his apartment she patches him up he takes off his shirt.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: She's like, Ooh, la la. Cause he's got like a
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: six pack. My other favorite part of this movie is
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that at this point he described, he tells her that
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: he is eight different corpses sewn together. And it's like, really?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Because we're all of those corpses, just clones of Aaron Eckhart,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: because you look like it's just one person with a
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: lot of scar tissue. Like if it was really eight
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: different corpses, like wouldn't there be different skin colors and
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: like sizes of the different body parts and things like that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: But that is not the case.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You would think. But yeah, no, that's just something that
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: like I think you're just supposed to be like, oh,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: like she seems to be this like. kind of generally
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: has the hots for him, which physically, not a problem,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: but he did just kidnap her, and I do take
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: umbrage with that. This movie defies analysis.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: We should just stop here.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Boldly spits in the face. I'm just like, you know what?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: You win, iFrankenstein. I don't know which way is up.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she's immediately in love with him, but you know.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she sees his six pack and she's like, oh
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: my gosh, who's that? And then we find out that
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the reason Adam kidnapped her is because Victor Frankenstein had
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: promised his monster a his wife, but did not deliver
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: on that promise. So it's implied that Adam is hoping
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that Tara will like, make him a wife or, like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: reanimate a wife for him. And this information is given
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to us as if this is something that Adam has
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: wanted his whole life. All he wants is a partner,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and this is, like, what he's always wanted. But we're
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: finding this out 50 minutes into the movie.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: He never says this. And also, it also, like, directly...
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: contradicts what we know about him because every other second
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: he's like i want to be alone i'm a loner
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: but then apparently he doesn't want to be alone but
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: he never says that someone just tells him that that's
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: what he thinks and he's like yeah obviously.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Also how does she deduce that information like is it
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: written in the book i don't know how she figures
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: that out It's so confusing.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: There's no way it's in the book, right? Also, while
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: all of this was happening, and it makes sense that
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: you didn't mention it, there was like some gargoyles that
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: were in love, but then they died.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: It literally doesn't matter. There's two gargoyles. They were like
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: warriors for the queen.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Ophir and Kezia?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Or something like that?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Ophir dies and then Kezia at the last second with
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: her last gasp of breath is like, actually, I was
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: in love with him. And you're like, what? And then
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: she dies. You're like, well, I guess I don't care.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I guess they were together a lot. what and then
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: she's just like also it wasn't allowed for us to
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: date I'm like well I didn't know that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Right there's there's just not enough world building I guess
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: there's too much exposition and also not enough like people.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Are like giving exposition about their character and their world
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and their life like with their dying breath and then
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you're just like well I guess that's that like by
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the way I was in love by the way gargoyle
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: love is forbidden she just disappears you're just like Oh,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: it's so confusing. Why are they not allowed to date?
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I don't. There's no reason given.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: But they're going to date in heaven.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: In heaven.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Which is why Aaron Eckhart's going to save her life,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but then she's like, no, gargoyles aren't allowed to date,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to go date him in heaven. Because
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: we were in love, by the way. And then she dies.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: You know how the main thing we know about heaven
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: is that that's where People go to date each other?
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're forbidden from dating. It's like Jack and Rose.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't going to work out.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: So she has to fall asleep and have a dream?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. we simply don't have time but i
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: just always think that that's so funny like yeah they
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: just all of that it happens in two minutes if
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you lose that scene if you just if an editor
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: trips and falls and loses those two characters it doesn't matter.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Um okay so we found out that adam has wanted
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a his wife this whole time apparently um So then
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Adam goes back to the gargoyles and tells Queen Leonor
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: about Nibirius's plan. And she's like, all right, we'll help you.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: But then she tells Gideon to destroy Adam and the journal,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: knowing that if Nibirius, what is his name? Nibirius?
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Prince Nibirius.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Nibirius. gets his hands on it, it will mean the
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: death of all gargoyles and all of humankind. So she's
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Tara has been kidnapped again by Nibirius.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: She barely gets to catch her breath after that first kidnapping.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Is it not that she is literally walking away from
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: her first kidnapping when she is then kidnapped a second
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: time Correct. By Prince Nibirius, who is also her employer.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine in one night getting kidnapped by Frankenstein's
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: monster and then a demon prince?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I am a demon prince. And then also finding out
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that you've known a demon prince for like years.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: He signs your paychecks.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And I like that they like use her... I don't
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: like the other scientist as bait where he calls her.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: He's like, get to the office. And then he's standing
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: behind like this wall of water for literally no reason.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I think that was the front of their office building.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Like I was, that scene is
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: always really disorienting. Cause I'm like, where is he? Is
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that because the effects are so bad in this movie
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that you're like, maybe that's magic, but it's literally just
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a fancy office installment. And then she's kidnapped again. And
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: then you're like, who is this guy? It's so confusing.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Right. Are we supposed to care that he dies? I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And at this point we're like, wait, gargoyles can't date
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: each other?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: But they can have sex in heaven? Okay, so Nibirius
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: is like, all right, gotcha, gotcha, Dr. Wade. It's time
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: to start reanimating all my characters. corpses which he has
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: like tens of thousands of just like stored away and.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: It's also like it's so not a sure thing that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: he's going to find this journal so which makes his
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: level of preparation baffling but it maybe could answer the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: question of where are all the people in this town
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: they're all dead he's already dead.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: He's got a subterranean layer that goes down what looks
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like miles and miles underground, and that's where he's storing
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: all the corpses.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: That shot always reminds me of the shot in Monsters
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Incorporated when you're like, it zooms out, you know, they're
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: like hanging on one door, and then it zooms out
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and there's a ton of doors. So imagine instead of doors,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: it was just like corpses. Like, it's like that. That
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: is exactly what it is. It's the same shot.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: They're all like hanging, like they're all kind of suspended from...
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: some like bars above them and they're like kind of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: spaced apart, like six feet apart.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Timely. It's exactly the same shot as the Monsters Incorporated Doris,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: except it's the most horrifying thing you've ever seen in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: your life. And it's also clearly the same corpse photoshopped
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: 5,000 times. There's zero diversity in the corpses because it's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the same man 5,000 times. You're like, okay, so we
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: believe that there was 5,000 of the same person who
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: used to live here, but then they were killed. And
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: now they're going to be a demon army.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So then we see a scene where Adam destroys
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the journal in, like, a trash can fire. Yeah. And
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: then he leads the gargoyles to, like, the demon headquarters
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: to wherever Bill Nighy's office is. And then Adam battles Nibirius, who...
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: summons the demons from hell to possess the corpses that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: are currently being reanimated. And then one demon tries to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: possess Adam, which you think he might be able to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: do because Adam doesn't have a soul as it's been established.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: He's also got like a pentagram in blood on his
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: forehead at this point. That's a whole thing that just happens.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Kind of just to remind you that Prince Nuberius is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: a demon prince, even though he literally just said, I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: am a demon prince.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I am a demon prince.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: But like, if you didn't if you happen to be
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: peeing during that line you're then reminded with the bloody
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: pentagram on his head oh i love this movie.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: So a demon tries to inhabit and possess adam's body
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: but he can't because twist adam has a soul now
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: and i guess it's because he's fallen in love with
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: tara or because he's decided to like join the good
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: side of this battle i.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Don't or maybe he had one the whole time like
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: we genuinely don't we don't really have a reason to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: believe that he didn't have one at the beginning other
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: than he said i don't have one true maybe he
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: just had one the whole time we don't know you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: never know no one cares and involved with the movie
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: apparently no.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: But he has a soul, and he kills Nibirius.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: He stabs him in his sexy devil abs. Also, to note, like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Bill Nighy is, like, shredded, but it's very
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: jarring for his whole, all of his skin to burn off,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: and all that's, like, left beneath his skin is, like,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: shredded abs. It all happens so quickly. And then he's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: sliced in his shredded devil abs.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: In the shape of the, like, holy gargoyle symbol. But, okay,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: first of all, I'm not as confident that Bill Nighy
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: is shredded.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, well, he's like in his like 70s
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: or possibly 70s when this movie was shot. But it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of alarming to be like, wait, that was
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Bill Nighy a second ago. Why is it like this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: like CGI sexy, but the scariest person I've ever seen? Like,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I'm also curious about how for those scenes. At what
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: point is Bill Nighy like. All right, bring in my
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: body double. Or do you think he's like a pro
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: that's like, no, I want to be here. Frankenstein, so
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: nice of you to come. Like, you know, so many
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: good lines.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: He's in every shot, even the ones he's not supposed
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: to be in. Yeah, he's there. Just off screen.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I love Bill Nighy.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: He's incredible.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Do you remember during Detective Pikachu where he got really
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: into Pokemon Go? Like, he cares. Yeah. But if I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: were doing iFrankenstein, I wouldn't be like, I would be like, okay,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I bring you my body double, you know? Anyways.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: He's also a great villain in the second Pirates of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the Caribbean movie.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Let me just say that.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: He's amazing.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't turn out to be a horrible
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: person because every time we've been like, I love XYZ actor,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: then they've always been terrible villains.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Except for you know who.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Except for Alfred Molina.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Our king.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: It's true. But there's been like episodes. There was like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: an episode where I was like, I think Kevin Spacey's awesome.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: And then like.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Three months later, the news broke about Kevin Spacey. And
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, fuck.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, dear.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I can never like a man ever again.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, we learned our lesson there. We've grown. Anyway.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. So the lab implodes. And then Queen Leonore saves
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Adam and Tara from this implosion. And then Tara is like, Adam,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: where's the journal? And he's like, I don't need it anymore.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: And she's like, well, what about how I was going
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: to make you a wife? And he's like, you're my
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: wife now. Now, that doesn't exactly happen in the movie,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: but it is heavily implied.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: That's a good summary, essentially.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: She is going to be his wife now.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: But it's also like she professionally really could have used
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: that journal.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: It seems like. It seems like her professional fortunes, Nibirius aside,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that would have been very professionally useful to her. She
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: seemed invested in what she was doing, even though it
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: was the devil's science. But also.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: So that implies... that pseudoscience that was developed in the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: late 18th century was more advanced than science that they
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: were doing in the lab in present day. Like, how
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: useful was that book for her? Like, surely they'd figured
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: the same stuff out and beyond in the 200 plus years?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, because the only science we
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: saw her do was double it. So... She could very
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: possibly need all the help she could get.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's terrible at her job. I don't know.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It's like her and her lab partner don't seem to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: agree on anything. But yeah, who knows? The fake science
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: in this movie is so over the top, like nonsense. Also,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: everything they read, it's like there are some drawings, but
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: it's mostly a journal of like. I Frankenstein is mean.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know how helpful that is. Some iconic quotes
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: that we didn't hit in the recap really quick.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, please.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of great VO from I Frankenstein.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I thought it was the end, but it was actually
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: just the beginning.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Which you're like... Okay, that is what you were saying
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: in the first half of that sentence. Trusting others is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a mistake you only make once. That's when he's walking
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: through the death club or whatever it is.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, the closing line, I, descender of the demon horde, I,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: my father's son. oh Frankenstein that's.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Great wow we're like that's the name of the movie.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: You're like and then and then it's so clearly like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: come back next year for the sequel and it's like
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: it's not coming uh but my favorite fuck up in
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: this movie I think it's a fuck up if it's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: on purpose I am completely baffled but there's one of
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: the demons I think he's like a pretty prevalent demon
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: unless he just happened unless everyone in a leather coat
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: looks the same to me but he comes up a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: few times He comes to Prince Nibirius to tell them
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that I, Frankenstein, he's wounded him. But it seems like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: an editor put in two shots and was supposed to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: take one out and choose one and then just left
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: both of them because he walks in he says i
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: think i wounded it and then he turns to the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: left and says i think it's wounded do you see
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: he says the same exact line two times I just,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I think that that was an editing mistake that made it.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I think I will, I will send you the clip.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I think I wounded it.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's wounded. I'm like, yeah, he can hear you.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Like he was right there. Uh, it's, it's so good. Well,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: what do we got in terms of feminism here? We
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: got a woman in STEM.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got, and I thought because I didn't know
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: that she doesn't know she's working for a demon. Um,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I thought she was in on it at first, and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: then I was prepared to be like, oh, it's another
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: example of the demonization, literally, of a woman in STEM.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Because we've seen that a lot in various movies where
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: oftentimes if there is a woman in STEM character, she
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: is working on the wrong side. But that's not the case.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: She's just too oblivious to know that she's working for
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: a demon.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Right. No, she's a woman in STEM. I don't think
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: we can really speak to how good she is at
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: her job because all she says is double it. Double it!
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: He's already dead. I'm like, this doesn't sound very professional. But,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you know, she's clearly pretty high up in her field
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: at this company where two people work. So she's the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: better of two people. I appreciate the woman in STEM visibility.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Her character's not well thought out, but I'm like, I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: guess that this is one of those things where like
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the movie is so bad that you're like, I can't
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: even really say that the writers of this story are
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: particularly bad at writing women because they just seem to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: like not be good at writing anybody. Nobody's motivation in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: this movie makes sense. There's still, I think we've already
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: kind of gone over a lot of the tropes of like,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: she's instantly in love with her captor because he's kind
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: of hot, that kind of thing. She's repeatedly kidnapped. She
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't engage in combat, even though she does some things
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: that are helpful and like, there's some like asterisk, like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: she's not completely robbed of agency, but she's mostly robbed
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: of agency. And she, she has no idea.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: She is made necessary to the story because of her
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: just kind of position as being like the head scientist.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: But as soon as she meets Adam, yeah, it's like, well,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: she's attracted to him and he's attracted to her. I
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: guess there's like shortly after they meet, And he goes
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: to Queen Leonore. He's like, well, things are different for
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: me now. I have someone with me. I have someone
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: to protect. So he sees.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: It's like they never really confirmed that that was a thing.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: So when he is suddenly like, you are my monster
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: wife now. Like. she should have a say in that. Also,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: they need to have a discussion about, like, there's whole
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: movies about this. Like, there's... If we're talking about a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: movie Miranda Otto was in, he is immortal, she is not.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: That's something to discuss. But maybe they were going to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: talk about it in the second movie.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Never got made. The sequel... Us, Frankenstein.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: We, Frankensteins. I would love to see the treatment. I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: feel like for sure there was a treatment for the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: second one because they're like, this is going to pop off.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: If the name Jai Courtney means anything to you, he's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: been in a bunch of movies. He's in this as
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a gargoyle named Gideon who says something expositional about his
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: character with his dying breath and then goes to heaven.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. It's not relevant to the story.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Queen Leonore... what uh she is okay so i'll say
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: good things first okay she is clearly in charge of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the gargoyles she.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Is their queen she's a woman in charge.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I think a lesser movie would it's weird to say
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: but i frankenstein I think a lesser movie would be like,
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  Speaker 1: where's the king? What happened to your husband? You know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: like that. There's really not a lot made of like, no,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this is a matriarchal society. And we're made to believe,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: you know, they're all immortal except for when they're killed
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: by demons. So they're not immortal, but they can't date. Also,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: she can't, there can't be, she can't have a spouse.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Gargoyles can't date.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: So she's a woman in charge. She seems pretty respected. Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: By her fellow gargoyles. She has one outfit.
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  Speaker 2: She's the only one who.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: She's not materialistic.
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  Speaker 2: She's the only one who has a direct link to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the angels in heaven. True. So she's very important. She's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: very powerful in that regard.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't stand royalty structures, but in terms
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: of the person in charge, okay, the gargoyles are a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: matriarchal system. Even though she is constantly being kind of
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like nagged and batted about by her gargoyle gladiators, it's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of scenes where Jai Courtney is like, you
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: don't make any sense. You care too much about I Frankenstein.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: And like, is he wrong? But she's, and then she'll
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: say something weird. Her motivation changes constantly. She also says
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: like this weird, it kind of sounds pro-lifey where she's like,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: all life is sacred. And I'm like, Ooh, that feels
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: like a threatening Midwestern billboard. Uh, the, the, I don't know.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: She also gets kidnapped.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: She does get kidnapped.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: She gets kidnapped and she has to be saved. But
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: then she also goes to battle. Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: But she doesn't really fight. She's just kind of there.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: And her gargoyle form is also really hard to look at.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: It has boobs.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Because we have to gender.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I think some gargoyles are fairly gendered, but just the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: rendering of it is disgusting. Yeah. It looks so smooth.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: It's just gross. Yeah. And I hate looking at it.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: It's gross. Yeah, I was kind of unclear. The battle
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: scenes are so chaotic that maybe you're supposed to think
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: she's fighting, but you don't actually see her fighting, but
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: she's there. So I don't know. And then there's Kezia,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: who famously reveals a large amount of useless information with
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: her dying breath. So there's really not anything there other than...
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of reaction shots in the scene where I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein's choosing pipes as a weapon. And it at least
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: means that gender wise, the gargoyles don't discriminate on who
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: can fight in battle.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, she's a warrior. She dies in battle. Like,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: so I think again, a lesser movie maybe might not
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: do that, but this is a matriarchal society and, And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: also there seems to be like, even though in the
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: wide shot in the battles, it seems like there's 400 gargoyles,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: there's actually like maybe 14. So you really can't be
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: like saying a certain like gargoyle can't fight. The army
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: is very small.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: There's only like five who we actually see. They're like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: human faces. And it's more diverse than I thought they
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: would be.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Sure. And.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: It seems like while there are women gargoyles, there seem
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: to be only male demons. So they are not living
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: in a... Commentary. Yeah, right?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Demons? Patriarchy.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Gargoyles? Matriarchy.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Matriarchy.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: So that's why gargoyles are good.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: But the only thing we know about Kezia, Kezia, whatever
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: her name is, is that she had this forbidden love
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: with Ophir. So the only thing we know about her
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: is like her love of a man. All we know.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Is that they have stood near each other in several scenes. Right.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Does he love her? We don't know.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, she dies a half hour into the movie,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: which is better than Mrs. Frankenstein, who dies before we
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: even meet her. Because she gets killed by our title character.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I think it is kind of funny, too, because it's
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: like this is a very, like, I don't think it's...
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: There are women in large roles. This is like a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: pro-nobody story, right? I wouldn't argue that it's a feminist text.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: But I think especially for the Frankenstein property, it just
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: kind of hits a little different because it's like... are
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: you really going to do Mary Shelley like that? One
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: of the most iconic female horror writers of all time.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: And then you're just going to show up with Aaron
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Eckhart in a trench coat and at one point a hoodie,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: such as on the poster for the movie.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: His outfit's so bad. He's wearing dad jeans, a hoodie,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: some long overcoat. But he's so sexy. I also think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: he's wearing black eyeshadow for most of the movie.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: He definitely is wearing it, yeah. I was thinking about
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: this on this viewing. I'm like, damn, that's a lot
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: of time in the makeup chair for this movie. I
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: will say the demon practical effects I thought looked really
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: gross and really cool and reminded me of older horror
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: movies and also kind of reminded me of the live-action
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Power Rangers show. It was like that caliber of practical
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: effect where it has like... you know, they have like scary,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: like 500 skinny teeth and like, they're like, ah, you'll
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: never get like, it reminded me of power Rangers villains,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: which is not a compliment, I guess, to a $ 65
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: million movie. But, um, but that's what it reminded me of.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And I liked that.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: You have to watch this movie. There are incredible, perfect
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: movies that I love that I've seen less than this
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: movie just because Frankenstein is so fun to watch. It's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: so fun to watch.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: It is fun. I did. And I do want to
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: watch it as a group because I've only seen it, obviously,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: by myself in isolation and quarantine.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Once... Once... Once we're allowed out of the room, this
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: would be such a fun, even in like a, like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a backyard projector situation. I Frankenstein is just, it's a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: great movie to watch with your friends because you don't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: really need to pay attention, but if you do, there's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: infinite rewards. It's just like all over the place. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I honestly wasn't paying attention.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Me either, but I don't think so.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Unless Kezia and Leonor talk to each other about something
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: other than Adam Frankenstein, which seems kind of unlikely. They
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: talk to each other, but I'm almost certain it's about
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Adam I. Frankenstein. There was talk of a sequel that
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: the second the movie came out and got 5% on
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes, they were like, nope. But I, Frankenstein, and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Underworld were possibly supposed to have a crossover movie. And
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: there was an early draft of the screenplay where Kate
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Beckinsale would have had a credit scene in I, Frankenstein,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: which I wish they would have kept because that would
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: have been so funny if Kate Beckinsale was just randomly
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: in it for two seconds at the end. Yeah. wow
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: this movie is here's the not that i like live
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: and die by rotten tomatoes but this is just a
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: fun sentence general consensus sentence loud incoherent and listless i
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: frankenstein is a remarkably dull fantasy adventure that fails to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: generate excitement or interest that's so mean uh but not
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: wrong show me the lie So yeah, the movie is
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: really bad, but you gotta watch it. It's not a
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: feminist text, but I wouldn't say it's not not a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: feminist text. It's just, it's barely text.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not contemptuous of women, but it also does
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: not know how to include them in any way that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: is interesting or nuanced or not just like incredibly tropey.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, like the two battle scenes that Tara is
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: adjacent to, yeah, she's just... For the whole climactic battle
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: between Adam and Prince Nebarius, she's literally lying on the floor.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: She could get up. and like get away like do
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: something but she's literally just lying there for like 10.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Minutes yeah it's so it is so it reminds me
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: of kirsten dunst at the end of spider-man 2 yeah
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: where at least they had the good sense to like
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: make it impossible for.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Her to move i guess she's restrained.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Because then plot wise it makes sense yeah she's restrained
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: no yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: But tara's just lying there She's not injured. She's not restrained.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: She's not injured.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: She's just lying on the floor.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: She's just... I feel like she's maybe like... Much like
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I Frankenstein is like, I don't think I want to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: be involved in whatever's going on here.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Like, I Frankenstein at the beginning, when... Cause the gargoyles
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: are really aggro about being like, you have to be
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: on our side. You're already involved. And he's like, I'm
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: kind of not. So I'm going to go to the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: woods for 200 years. And it's like, well, like, you know,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: it's not like Tara is really involved. Like she could
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: just kind of be like, I quit my job. Right.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll go work at the like death metal bar
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Like that seems to be the only other
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: place you can work. in this whole place but um
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: or move she should probably just move like they have
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: to get out of there it seems like a bad
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: situation yeah this movie rocks i love it so much it's.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: How many nipples would you give it i would give
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: it i.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Would give it 10 stone nipples i would give it
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: 10 rock hard gargoyle nipples.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. What about demon nipples? How many demon nipples?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I would give it in terms of demon nipples. I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: would probably give it one demon nipple because if we're
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: being real, um, you know, I, I think that there's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of surface level work done of like, there's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: a woman in charge. There's a woman in STEM. There's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: some agency going on, but the whole thing is just
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: so incoherent. And there's so many tropes on top of
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: everything that it's like, you can't, you can't like, what
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: can you say? Yeah. I don't know. Ten stone nipples,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: one demon nipple.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I'd give it one eye Frankenstein nipple. Also, are his
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: two different nipples from two different corpses? Probably.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Probably. And does he have a penis?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Did Victor Frankenstein give him, or does he just have
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: a little lump down there?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: A sex lump?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess if you're talking logistics, I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: guess that there would not be an evolutionary purpose to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: do that. I guess it would come down to whether
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Victor Frankenstein was... wanted i frankenstein to have pleasure that's
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: true right because it's like not like i don't think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: that he would be able to reproduce or can he
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: be dead and all he has a soul we.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Need the sequel we need it we need.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: A sequel i would i would love to because it
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: sounds like it was like plotted out i would love
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: for kevin or stewart b i just just leak it
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: i want to know Yeah, this movie actually did not totally,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it made, it failed, but it made back
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: its budget internationally. Okay. And then it made about $ 10
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: million on top of it. So, you know, obviously they're
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: not going to do more, but they, but they, but
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: they didn't, movies have done worse. Sure. Movies have made
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: less dollars. But it is one of the worst movies
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And I just love it. I wish
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I could see it in theaters again. Seeing it in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: 3D also, this is kind of unrelated because I doubt
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: that this version was preserved. But the 3D version was
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: also really cheap and bad and hurt my head to watch.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I'd imagine so. I hate watching movies in 3D. The
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: last thing I'll say about this movie is that it's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: yet another movie kind of about fathers and sons where
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: like Adam has.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: These like issues.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Like he's like my daddy, Victor Frankenstein. And what did
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: it all mean? And then at the end, uh, Nibirius
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: is like, welcome my son. You are now my demon spawn.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I'm not. I'm Adam. Right.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like Nibirius doesn't want a son. Does he?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he's wanted this whole time. Maybe that's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: why he's obsessed with iFrankenstein. Maybe.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: why he only allows men into the demons. He's just
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: like shopping around for a son.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, we find out 50 minutes into the movie
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: that Adam has wanted a wife this whole time, so
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: maybe Nabarius has wanted a son this whole time.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility. Ultimately, you
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: just have to drop everything and watch this movie right now.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: It's just, like, it will just improve your day. It's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: so fun.
• 1:26:13
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• 1:26:20
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