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Episode One Hundred Ninety Four: New Car Smell · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number one hundred and ninety four of
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  Speaker 1: the Death of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host on today's show. Both Kamala and Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden do softball interviews that.
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  Speaker 2: Are very telling.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a huge double standard in the way the
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  Speaker 1: media is handling Hurricane Helene Recovery? The Democratic mayor of
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  Speaker 1: New York City gets indicted and it makes him an
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  Speaker 1: instant Maga hero. Caitlin Clark's season is over, but she
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  Speaker 1: is back in the news in a big way, partly
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  Speaker 1: due to an ex close friend of mine. ESPN is
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  Speaker 1: suddenly questioning college football's nil insanity, and a cool story
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  Speaker 1: about the history of the A's baseball franchise that you
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  Speaker 1: will definitely not hear anywhere else. We begin this episode
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast with a couple of explanations or excuses.
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  Speaker 1: As you can tell, my voice is still not at
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. The entire Ziggler family has been sick
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  Speaker 1: now for weeks. We are now assuming it must have
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  Speaker 1: been COVID or still battling.
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  Speaker 2: COVID for whatever that is worth.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be able to get through this,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I'm slowly recovering, but I apologize for
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  Speaker 1: the voice issues. The other excuse, if you will, is
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  Speaker 1: that just before I began taping this, I learned that
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  Speaker 1: legendary basketball player the Kimbae Mutombo has passed away of
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  Speaker 1: brain cancer. Many of you may know that I have
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  Speaker 1: a pretty strong connection to the Kimbay. We went to
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  Speaker 1: school together at Georgetown, and bizarrely our lives interconnected in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of interesting ways. I have a couple of
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  Speaker 1: really good the Kimbay's stories, but I've always admired to Kimbay.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite athletes of all time.
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  Speaker 1: I have a autograph photo of him in my office.
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  Speaker 1: I've posted on Twitter a photo of us together at
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  Speaker 1: a Georgetown event a few years ago in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that at the end of this episode I
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  Speaker 1: can still have something left in the tank to provide
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  Speaker 1: you with my thoughts under Kimba's death. I can't do
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  Speaker 1: it at the start because I'm not one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: sure I could do the rest of the show. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty frankly more gutted about this than I anticipated, because
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  Speaker 1: this has been a long time in coming. Real ardent
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  Speaker 1: fans of this podcast may remember that when Franco.
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  Speaker 2: Harris passed away.
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  Speaker 1: I had had a weird premonition that somebody I really
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  Speaker 1: liked in the public sphere was going to pass away,
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  Speaker 1: and I had thought it would be to Kimba because
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  Speaker 1: he had brain cancer. But I was even more stunned
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  Speaker 1: and shocked with the passing of Franco, to whom I
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  Speaker 1: was far closer than to Kimba. But I anticipated hoping
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  Speaker 1: to maybe do that at the end of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: If I can, I'll do it in the next episode
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast. But that certainly has put a pall
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  Speaker 1: over the preparations of this particular podcast. I will begin
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  Speaker 1: an extremely long list of topics I want to get
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  Speaker 1: to with at least a brief review of the two
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  Speaker 1: interviews that happened last week. And I realized, in this
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  Speaker 1: short attention span world, this seems like ancient history. But
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  Speaker 1: this occurred just after our last episode of the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Both the Stephanie Rule interview with Kamala Harris a NBC
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Biden's interview on the view, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to spend too much time on either of them,
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  Speaker 1: but there are a couple of very telling moments that
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  Speaker 1: I do want to get into as expected. The Stephanie
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  Speaker 1: Rule interview with Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: Was a joke. It was short, it was taped, it
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  Speaker 2: was softball.
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  Speaker 1: There was nothing really learned other than the vacuousness of
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. But what I want to focus on are
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  Speaker 1: two particular clips where Stephanie Rule, who had already been
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  Speaker 1: on the record on the Bill mahersh Show, saying that
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  Speaker 1: Harris shouldn't have to answer any questions because she's running
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  Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. That's a pretty fair paraphrase. She's obviously
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  Speaker 1: a very ardent Harris backer. But there are two clips
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  Speaker 1: from that interview that really expose the lens to which
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  Speaker 1: Rule and the rest of the news media are doing
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I have said for a long time. This
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  Speaker 1: is way beyond bias. This is acting as if they
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  Speaker 1: are de facto campaign manager. I mean, we've seen bias forever,
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  Speaker 1: but this is at an entirely new level. And there
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  Speaker 1: are two really good examples of this, at least from
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  Speaker 1: the Stephanie Rule interview on MSNBC of Kamala Harris. The
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  Speaker 1: first deals with the issue of how Harris claims that
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  Speaker 1: she would fight inflation. Now the only very specific proposal
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  Speaker 1: that she has made deals with trying to go after
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  Speaker 1: price gouging and basically engaging in price fixing and government
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  Speaker 1: control of the economy, even to the point where grocery
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  Speaker 1: store prices are fixed by the government, which would be
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  Speaker 1: just completely and utterly insane. It would be effectively Marxist,
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  Speaker 1: it would be totally ineffective, It would lead to food
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  Speaker 1: shortages and all sorts of chaos. And so listen to
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  Speaker 1: how Stephanie Rule introduces this topic. This isn't really even
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  Speaker 1: much of a question. This is her introducing a topic
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  Speaker 1: while making sure that Harris and the audience know that
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  Speaker 1: she is a capitalist, that she's not actually a socialist.
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  Speaker 2: So this is like the.
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  Speaker 1: Teacher providing the student with the answer, or at least
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  Speaker 1: what to avoid in the answer within the question. And
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  Speaker 1: it could not be more blatant, and it could not
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  Speaker 1: be more hypocritical, because obviously nothing like this ever happens
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  Speaker 1: when a mainstreamer or a left wing media personality interviews
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  Speaker 1: a Republican. This is just flat out hilarious and very
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  Speaker 1: very telling. And of course Harris's answer is as nonspecific
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  Speaker 1: and as vacuous as expected, and frankly, in keeping with
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  Speaker 1: what Rule had suggested that she do when she was
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  Speaker 1: on the Bill Mahers Show a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: and said Harris shouldn't actually answer questions. So here we
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  Speaker 1: have this very bizarre situation where the person who said
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  Speaker 1: publicly on HBO Harris shouldn't answer questions not answering the
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  Speaker 1: question from Rule herself, while she's providing guidance for Harris
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  Speaker 1: in the actual question.
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  Speaker 3: Prices are still hot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: You said you want to take this on by going
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  Speaker 3: after those who engage in price gouging. But as somebody
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  Speaker 3: who supports free markets, who's a capitalist, how do you
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  Speaker 3: go after price gouging without implementing price controls? Because once
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  Speaker 3: we get in the zone, people start to get worried
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  Speaker 3: and they say, I don't know what she stands for.
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  Speaker 4: So, just to be very frank, I am never going
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  Speaker 4: to apologize for going after companies and corporations that take
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  Speaker 4: advantage of the desperation of the American people. And as
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  Speaker 4: Attorney General, I saw this happen in the midst of
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  Speaker 4: an emergency, whether it be an extreme weather event or
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  Speaker 4: even the pandemic. We saw it where those few companies,
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  Speaker 4: not the majority, not most, but those few companies that
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  Speaker 4: would take advantage of the desperation of people.
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  Speaker 2: And jack up prices.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to go after them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 4: Go after them. And that is part of a much
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  Speaker 4: more comprehensive plan on what we can do to bring
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  Speaker 4: down the cost of living, including housing, including the everyday
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  Speaker 4: needs of the American people.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to me, that was extremely telling, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not the only moment in the interview that was similar
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  Speaker 1: to that circumstance. There has been, partially because Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: has tried to make it a controversy, and partially because
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  Speaker 1: I do think there's some reason for this to be
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  Speaker 1: a controversial issue. There's been a lot of discussion, at
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  Speaker 1: least on the right, over a claim that Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 1: has only fairly recently made that she once worked at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: Now listen to how Stephanie Rule introduces this topic. I
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  Speaker 2: mean this again, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Almost parody here where Rule is going out of her
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  Speaker 1: way to make sure that Harris does not provide information.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I am.
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  Speaker 1: Positive that Rule at least has great questions as to
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  Speaker 1: whether or not this story is true and therefore does
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  Speaker 1: not want Harris to provide any more information or commentary
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  Speaker 1: that might might lead to this.
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  Speaker 2: Being exposed as a fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's my interpretation, but I think you'll come to
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  Speaker 1: a similar conclusion when you listen to Stephanie Rule literally
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  Speaker 1: admonish Harris.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want any more information. I just want a
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  Speaker 2: direct answer.
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  Speaker 1: To what is a question clearly designed to one be
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  Speaker 1: a layup for you to show that you have some knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: Of McDonald's and therefore.
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  Speaker 1: Plausibly could have worked there, but also to make a
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  Speaker 1: mockery of this issue.
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  Speaker 2: And so here's what that sounded like on MSNBC.
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  Speaker 3: Because your opponent almost every day seems to be talking
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  Speaker 3: about this. So I just want to ask you yes
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  Speaker 3: or no. At any point in your life have you
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  Speaker 3: served to all beef patties, special sauce, let us cheese
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  Speaker 3: pick those onions on it. But working at a McDonald's,
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  Speaker 3: yes or no?
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: I have Okay, now the other job, but it.
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  Speaker 4: Was not a small job like I did the prize.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know it period of time.
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  Speaker 3: But then let me ask about a big job.
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  Speaker 4: But to your point, if you don't mind, before you
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  Speaker 4: get to the big job, it's a there's a part
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  Speaker 4: of the reason I even talk about having worked at
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's is because there are people who work at McDonald's
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  Speaker 4: in our country who are trying to raise a family.
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  Speaker 4: I worked there as a student. I was a kid
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  Speaker 4: who worked there trying to raise families and pay rent
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  Speaker 4: on that. And I think part of the difference between
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  Speaker 4: me and my opponent includes our perspective on the needs
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  Speaker 4: of the American people and what are responsible then is
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  Speaker 4: to meet those means.
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  Speaker 1: So you have the interviewer literally telling Harris, don't provide
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  Speaker 1: me any more information.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just laugh about this, mock.
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  Speaker 1: Trump, and move on, because we don't need any more information.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want you making any more claims that could
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  Speaker 1: be clearly proven to be wrong or to bring greater
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  Speaker 1: question into this original claim.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as far as the claim.
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  Speaker 1: That Harris worked at McDonald's, some people they say, well,
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  Speaker 1: who cares. Well, No, It's it's an important point because
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  Speaker 1: if it's not true, it is consistent with Harris being
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  Speaker 1: totally inauthentic and creating all sorts of elements of her
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  Speaker 1: biography that are not real. Now, I'm a huge believer,
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  Speaker 1: as you probably know, in the theory when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to trying to figure out whether that.
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  Speaker 2: Things are true.
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  Speaker 1: That if you accept something as true, you should then
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  Speaker 1: and look at, Okay, what evidence should you expect to
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  Speaker 1: exist if something was true. So if Harris had once
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  Speaker 1: worked at McDonald's, which is certainly plausible, No one's there's
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  Speaker 1: certainly nothing, you know, insane about that concept. But if
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  Speaker 1: it had happened, we would expect several things. We would
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  Speaker 1: expect that to be part of all of her biographies,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, that's a first job. A first job
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  Speaker 1: is memorable, and you would remember, for instance, at least.
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  Speaker 2: What city or what's part of town you.
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  Speaker 1: Were working in. You would remember some details of this.
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  Speaker 1: There might be a record of this.
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  Speaker 2: In some way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's might be able to confirm that employment. My god,
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's would have every incentive to be able to try
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  Speaker 1: to confirm this because they might have the next president
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  Speaker 1: of the United States, the first female president of the
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  Speaker 1: United States, be able to claim that working at McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: was a key part of their biography. So they're incentivized
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  Speaker 1: to prove this. But there's been no proof from McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: There's no evidence of this in any of the biographies
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  Speaker 1: by Harris. She even wrote a book in which there
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  Speaker 1: was a chapter on this entire industry that you basically
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  Speaker 1: would be begging for a story about having worked at
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's if in fact that had happened.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when this clip went public, and you know.
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  Speaker 1: It was, it was described by liberal commentators as Harris
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  Speaker 1: confirming that she's worked at McDonald's. That's right, she's confirming
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  Speaker 1: that she's worked at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: That's not confirming.
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  Speaker 1: That's going along with the questioner saying you remember to
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  Speaker 1: all be Patty's special sauce sledstgeesepigles on an assess assessame
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  Speaker 1: c bun which every person who was alive at that
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  Speaker 1: time remembers that McDonald's commercial.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't prove anything at all.
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  Speaker 1: So when I I responded to that clip, I said, confirmed,
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  Speaker 1: how about a year in which this happened? You know
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  Speaker 1: how big I am into years. You know, if something happened,
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  Speaker 1: we should know what year this happened. How About a location,
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  Speaker 1: and how about an explanation for why this is fairly
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  Speaker 1: new information?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: The only substantive response I got when I posted that
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter was that someone sent me a liberal which
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  Speaker 1: is fine, sent me an article from twenty nineteen during
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  Speaker 1: Harris's first presidential campaign, where the subject was conditions for
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  Speaker 1: fast food workers or something like that, and somehow McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: was clearly part of the discussion, and Harris is quoted
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  Speaker 1: in the article as having said that she once worked
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  Speaker 1: at McDonald's. Now, at first glance, I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we now have some semblance of verification or corroboration
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  Speaker 1: that this happened, although I would argue that twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: if that's the first time that anybody has ever publicly
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  Speaker 1: stated this is awfully late.
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  Speaker 2: In the game.
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  Speaker 1: This is a person who is a US senator, she's
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  Speaker 1: the former attorney general of the entire state of California,
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  Speaker 1: your largest state with regard to population in the entire country.
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  Speaker 1: And so we now only have a first record of
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  Speaker 1: this publicly in twenty nineteen, when obviously, if it had happened.
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  Speaker 2: It it occurred decades and decades prior to that.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't convinced me, And in fact, when I read
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  Speaker 1: the article, I'm like, wait a minute, here's a scenario
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  Speaker 1: that actually makes a bit more sense. Again, this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: prove that she didn't work in McDonald's, but here's a
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  Speaker 1: scenario that.
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  Speaker 2: Makes more sense.
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  Speaker 1: So she's running this long shot presidential campaign getting no
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  Speaker 1: traction in twenty nineteen. So she has made it clear
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  Speaker 1: through everything she did in the twenty nineteen campaign that
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  Speaker 1: she's throwing everything she possibly can up against the wall.
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  Speaker 2: She has no expectation.
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  Speaker 1: For accountability whatsoever because she's not being vetted.
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  Speaker 2: She's nowhere near the lead.
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  Speaker 1: She's a woman of color, so therefore she gets extra
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  Speaker 1: protection from the press. She's used to not being vetted
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  Speaker 1: because she wasn't vetted during the Senate campaign in California.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't vetted during the attorney general campaign in California.
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  Speaker 2: She was handed her.
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  Speaker 1: Early jobs by Willie Brown, which by the way, is
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  Speaker 1: verified in a I think it was a nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: five or ninety ninety six Los Angeles Times article that
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  Speaker 1: someone sent to me over the weekend. I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: that article hasn't been scrubbed from the internet forever and ever,
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  Speaker 1: because it is a smoking gun with regard to how
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  Speaker 1: Willie Brown absolutely jump started the relationship of his mistress
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  Speaker 1: while he was married, and that was Kamala Harris. It's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely unbelievable that that's not become a significant issue in
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  Speaker 1: this campaign, and I'm sure I'll talk about that again
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  Speaker 1: in the future. But so we have a situation where
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  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, she has no expectation that anything she
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  Speaker 1: says is gonna get scrutiny or be properly vetted, and
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  Speaker 1: she finds a situation where it's convenient for her to
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  Speaker 1: claim that she worked at McDonald's and it gets published
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  Speaker 1: because no one bothers.
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  Speaker 2: To vet it.
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  Speaker 1: It's too much work. Why would you bother to vet it? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: if she says she worked a McDon donalds, it must
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  Speaker 1: be true. It gets put into a news report and
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  Speaker 1: they get away with it. Well, once you get away
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  Speaker 1: with it, especially given the world that Kamala Harris lives in,
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  Speaker 1: you think you can get away with it again because
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  Speaker 1: now we have a record of it. It's in the newspaper,
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  Speaker 1: so therefore it must be true, or at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: you know someone is going.
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  Speaker 2: To believe it, because how else would it be in
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  Speaker 2: the newspaper.
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  Speaker 1: So again, I don't know for sure that Harris never
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  Speaker 1: worked at McDonald's, but I am pretty convinced that there
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  Speaker 1: ought to be a hell of a lot more evidence
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  Speaker 1: if that that happened.
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  Speaker 2: If it actually did occur, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Appearing in a twenty nineteen article in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: that failed presidential campaign does absolutely nothing to convince me
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  Speaker 1: that it's true. In fact, it probably goes more in
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  Speaker 1: the opposite direction for the reasons that I've already cited.
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  Speaker 1: I think the story of McDonald is most likely a fraud.
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  Speaker 1: I would be easily convinced if there was actual evidence,
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  Speaker 1: which there should be.
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  Speaker 2: It should be incredibly easy. But it's a fraud.
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  Speaker 1: So the media is is now going along literally propping
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  Speaker 1: her up, trying to help her through a potential problem
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  Speaker 1: with her biography by joking about it and making sure, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: just answer me straight, don't give any more information that
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  Speaker 1: could easily be repudiated or found to be false, and
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  Speaker 1: might you know, give this story more life. We're just
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  Speaker 1: going to joke about it and move on. That's the
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  Speaker 1: news media acting as campaign manager and not as a
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  Speaker 1: journalistic institution. By the way, speaking of frauds when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the Hairs campaign and things that are reported
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's true.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was a fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Over the weekend, there was a lot of discussion about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump went to the Alabama Georgia
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  Speaker 1: college football game. I'll talk a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: that from the football perspective later on this episode. But
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  Speaker 1: he attended that game and it got a lot of attention.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, based upon the reaction that Trump got
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  Speaker 1: of that game, I'm pretty confident I can for sure
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  Speaker 1: say I have seen enough. Donald Trump is going to
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  Speaker 1: win the state of Alabama. So we have that news.
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  Speaker 1: He's got that going for.
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  Speaker 2: Him, which is nice.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand the idea of sitting in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the Alabama in an Alabama suite in an Alabama home
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: game when the team they're playing is a swing state
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: team Georgia. But okay, whatever, But that's not the reason
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm mentioning this in this context. Leading up to the game,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: there was a report that was promoted by all sorts
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of major mainstream newspeople, including Kaitlyn Kylein of CNN. I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think she was probably the most prominent person to do this,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that it was reported that in response to Trump attending
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the Alabama Georgia game, that the Harris campaign was going
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to hire an airplane to have a message for Trump
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that was basically Trump hunted on the second debate, in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: other words, mocking Trump for not agreeing to a second debate,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: even though Harris bailed on a Fox News debate and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: then Trump bailed on another CNN debate.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was CNN. Whatever.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's gotten so confusing, I forget, but whatever, There's not
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: going to be apparently a second debate, and supposedly Harris
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was going to do a mic drop moment by hiring
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: at least a campaign was a plane to mock Trump
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: over the fact that there's not going to be a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: second debate, and this plane would fly either over the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: stadium or around the stadium, you know, for people to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: see during the tailgates, what have you. And this got
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of play online and it was reported as
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: if it was fact that this was something the Harris
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: campaign was going to do.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I was very curious to see, Okay, what did it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: look like? What was actually said? Was there even a plane?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Now we live in a world where, quite obviously, even
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: at an Alabama Georgia game, where I will fully acknowledge
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that the vast, vast majority of people are Republicans, you're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: going to have somebody with a phone, especially with all
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the news outlets there you're gonna have somebody.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Take a picture or a video of.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: The plane mocking Donald Trump. Well, I have been searching
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: for evidence of this for the last couple of days.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I've asked about it on Twitter, and I have found
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely positively nothing. No, there is no evidence this happened.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Which it's a lot like the McDonald situation.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: If this had.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Occurred, there would be massive amounts of evidence did this happened. Instead, squat, nada, nothing.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't believe this ever occurred. Now, there's all sorts
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of reasons why it may not have occurred. One of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: them is that the whole thing was a fraud that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the media just went for because it felt so good.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It was such a great you know, Kama strikes back
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and she's a badass and she can't be pushed around,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and her campaign is gonna mock Trump and his you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: in his home territory in Alabama, and they you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that was a narrative that liberals online loved, except there's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: no evidence it was actually true or it actually happened,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And of course there was zero coverage of the fact
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that it didn't happen. There's the fact that somebody claimed
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that it was gonna happen. Now, there's all sorts of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: ways this could have become a misreporting. I don't know
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: which one was responsible here, but you know, it could
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have been by accident, could have been bad reporting. It
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: could have been you know, trusting the Harris campaign when
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been trusted. It could have been a misunderstanding.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is that was reported as if
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it was a fact that it was going to happen,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and I have seen no evidence that it did. If
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'm happy to admit it, but at this
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: point I would be shocked if I actually saw evidence
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: then anything like that actually occurred now at almost the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: exact same time that Harris was taping her interview with
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Stephanie Rule on MSNBC, And to call in an interview
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is it's kind of an embarrassment to the word interview,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and certainly not the way an interview should go, especially
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of a presidential candidate who has done very very very
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: few actual interviews since becoming handed or having been handed
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the Democratic president nomination. Joe Biden went on the view,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: which of course is another place where you're not going
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to get a real interview if you're the democratic president,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: especially under these circumstances. But sometimes sometimes when you know
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: or a figure political figure knows that they are in
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: an incredibly friendly environment, you can actually get responses that
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: get further to the truth than you would if they
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: were on guard and they knew that they were going
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to get at least reasonably tough questions. And I think
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that's what happened to a certain degree with regard to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the love fest that Joe Biden participated in when he
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: went on the View now as someone who went on
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the View a million years ago to talk about and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: defend Sarah Palin after the two thousand and eight presidential election.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Joy Beharn Whoope Goldberger were still on the show now
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: where they're then.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: That was when.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Barbara Walters stuck her shaking finger in my chest to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the horror of Elizabeth Hasselback. You can find that on
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: YouTube if you so care. These people are basically morons.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the dumbest shows on television,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and all of them, all of them are exceedingly liberal
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: now and obviously very anti Trump, very pro Biden. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: there were two clips that I want to play for
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you from that interview that I found to be very
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: telling and a bit infuriating, but also at least one
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of which provided information that if we lived in a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: rational world, could have been a spark to cause a
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: massive controversy. But we don't live in that world. And frankly,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I think I'm one of the only people to even
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: pick up on the fact that this happened, but if
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: only by accident. The view got maybe Biden's most honest
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: answer yet.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: With regard to the issue of the.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Biden coup and whether or not he was forced out
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and what the circumstances of him being forced out, And
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: obviously he you know now that he was forced out,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: largely by Nancy Pelosi, that they put whatever, and we
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: don't know the nature of the gun to his head,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: will probably never know that, but effectively a gun was
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: put to his head, and he eventually cried uncle. He
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: eventually gave up the car keys after three weeks of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: holding out against unprecedented and relentless Democratic Party and mainstream
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: media pressure for him to get out of the race
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: because he was going to lose. That was the premise
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of the whole thing. And then don't let anybody change
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: history now because he was going to lose now that's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: another There's two parts of these clips that I want
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to play for you. The second part is we're now
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: revising history that he really wasn't gonna lose. But I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: first want to play the clip where he addresses the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: issue of the coup and he tries to saw pedal it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But in the middle of this answer, I went you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: listen very carefully, he effectively says that there were people
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: who wanted him to step aside so that they could
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: have a chance.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: To quote unquote move on. Now I don't think he
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: meant move on. I think he meant move up.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And if he had used the word up instead of on,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this would have, I think.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Probably caused at least some level of.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Commotion because the only person who benefited from all this
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was Kamala Harris. And that's always been one of my
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: great frustrations over this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: How does Harris not get any and.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think Trump is partially to blame for this, How
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: does Harris not get any tarnishing at all.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: To her reputation because she was.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: The one that benefited from this coup, So she doesn't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: get you know, she gets all the benefit of being
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the loyal vice president, but she gets no.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Negative blowback at all.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: For there being a coup and she's the one that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: benefited from it, and and you know it's her allies
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: from literally her state, Nancy Pelosi, California, who are facilitating
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: this coup. And Harris doesn't get any blowback. Well, to me,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: as I listen to this, who is Biden referring to here?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The only person who moved on or moved up was
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So at the very least this deserves a follow up.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Question, which of course didn't happen on the View, is
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: never gonna happen because the media is not working, doesn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: work that way anymore, and Biden doesn't make himself vulnerable
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to such questions. But for the record, here is Joe
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Biden talking about the coup against him on the View.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: We all agree at this table is very selfless of
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: you to pass the baton and step beside. There was
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: a perception that perhaps her hand was forced, and some
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: pointed fingers to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who you have a
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: long relationship with and accomplished many things with. Did you
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: feel that your hand was forced? And what is your
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: relationship with Speaker Pelosi?
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Now, our relationship is fine. Look, I I never fully
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: believed the assertions that somehow there was this overwhelming reluctance
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: of my running again. I didn't sense that. And although
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: the polling ship Biden's poling was different, the fact of
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: the matter is my polling was about you know, we're
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: always within range of beating this guy. Yeah. But what
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I did was I think there were It makes sense
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: there are some folks who would like to see me
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: step aside so they have a chance to move on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I get that that's just human nature. But that wasn't
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: the reason that I stepped down. I stepped down because
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: I started thinking about it. You know, it's hard to
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: think of. I know you're only thirty, but it's hard
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: to think of. It's hard for me to even say
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: how old I am. No, I'm serious, I don't know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I give my words. Holy God, that can't be right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: That just can't be right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I'm your rage.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: By the way, the number gives me vertigo, Yes it does.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: I am no woman close to me as old as
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I am.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Now, they are stayed in the race when you have won.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, I was confident I would be Trump.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Now I don't think that I'm overplaying this. Joe Biden
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: made it clear that there were people who wanted him
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to step aside so that they could quote unquote move on.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: At the very very least, I want to know, so
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: who were those people and what do you mean by
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: move on? We'll never going to get that answer because
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: journalism is dead. But that was an extraordinary thing that
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden said on the View. He further established the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: reality that there really was a cove that he was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: forced out by his own party and the Babylon b
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the conservative parody website, had a funny headline about their
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: fictitious story about Biden's although I'm not sure it's so
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: fictitious in this case about Biden's appearance on the View,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: who they wrote, in hilarious gaff Biden tells the View
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: he was forced out of power in vicious coup.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But thought that was pretty.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Darn good and very accurate, and frankly, I'm not sure
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that's a parody headline. That might have been an accurate
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: depiction of what actually happened here. And in conjunction with that,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: there's a second clip I want to play of Biden
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: on the View, and this really I'll use the word
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: bug me because a bug becomes part of the narrative
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: here in an exchange between Whoopy Goldberg and Joe Biden,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure you're gonna hear Biden's voice,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: but you are gonna hear him pretend to slap a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: bug on the table.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: In other words, kill a bug, because Whoopy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Goldberg is referring to Donald Trump as a bug that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: just won't go away.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Now, the important part of it, there's two parts.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: One, it's the cozy relationship between those on the view,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the panelists, and Joe Biden. They're all clearly, very clearly
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: on the same team. They're not even trying to hide it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were slobbering all over Biden, thanking him
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: for dropping out, thanking him for, you know, effectively not
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: fighting back harder against the coup. That's essentially what they're
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: thanking him for. But what Pee Goldberg is trying to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: make the argument here that and Joe Biden goes along
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: with it that somehow Biden had crushed Trump like a bug,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't think can we please not.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Revise history totally here?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: He was forced out of the race because he was
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: going to lose, and you already heard him in that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: first clip try to claim, well, you know, I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I still could have won. Well, here is this absolutely
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: upside down world where you're Biden and you do so
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: poorly in a debate that, in an unprecedented situation, you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: are forced out of the race by your own party
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and your own media because you are going to lose,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And then you get to go on the View and
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: be literally cheered as you pretend to crush Donald Trump
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like a bug, when in fact he forced you out
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of the race, or you forced yourself out of the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: race because you were going to lose to him.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: This is the.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Upside down world in which we now live. And here's
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: what that sounded like on the view.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Then he just wouldn't go He's like a bug. He
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just kept being there. Who's like a like a bug
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: right there? So you felt.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: That really pissed me off because I'm a big believer
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in picking a people ought to be forced to pick
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a lane. I've said this many times when it came
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: to the Democratic coup and the Democratic switch through, the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: biggest mistake that the Trump team made, partially because it
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: was in the aftermath of the assassination attempt, and because
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they got so overconfident at that convention, is that they
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: did not force the Biden Harris campaign, or the Harris
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: campaign or the Democratic Party to pick annie lanes. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: when I say pick a lane, is that when you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: are forced to pick one option, you may get the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: benefit of that option, but you're also going to get
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: some negative from that option, and the negative in this
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: case would be Okay, you can't claim it both ways.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: You can't claim that you were both going to win
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and that you selflessly took yourself out of the race.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any goddamn sense it was supposed when
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the reality is you were going to lose. But this
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: is the benefit of being a Democrat in the national
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: news media environment where you can get a consolation prize.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Part of your severance package when you decide to drop
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: out so that the team might have a better chance
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of winning, is that we will pretend for you. We
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: will pretend that you might have won, and we will
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: praise you as having done this selfless thing, as this
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: elder statesman, this great leader to who have done what
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was right for the country, and we will applaud you,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and we will fawn all over you. When it's not
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: consistent with reality, it doesn't make any sense.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: It's not true. It's playing pretend. That's what this is.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: They are playing pretend for an old man. And look,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I have sympathy for old people as much as anybody.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: This is an off the wall thing that just came
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to my head. But I remember when my grandfather was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: getting on in years and he would you like to
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: play this game with a tennis ball where we would
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: have a contest to see whose hands were quicker, whose
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: reflexes were quicker, who could pick it up off the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: bounce faster. It's hard to explain what the game was,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: but I would let my grandfather win from time to time,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: just because I knew it would make him feel good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: My mother actually recognized that I was doing this and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: thought that, you know, this was a great thing because
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: she really loved her her grandfather, and I could tell
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it made him feel better. That's fine, but that's not
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: this situation. This is the presidency of the United States.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: We don't even have a president right now, Franklin, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: so we're playing pretend that this guy one is not
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: completely incompetent. In two actually would have won had he
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: stayed in.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And it's not the truth. It's revising history.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And it's another example of how the Democratic Party is
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: never and those involved, like Joe Biden, are never forced
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to pick one damn lane, one narrative that makes sense,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: where okay, you have to take the negative aspects.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Of this as well as the positives.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And that kind of stuff drives me crazy and I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: can't stand playing pretend. And that's what we're doing here.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: The ladies of the View played pretend for Joe Biden.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And the only way I can describe this is that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: this was part of his his severance package or his
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: consolation prize for doing what they think was the right
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: thing for them, because they just want to make sure
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that Trump gets defeated. He was not going to be
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: able to do that job, and they think Harris might
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: be able to do that job.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Now. I have been in the camp.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Of those who have said that Harris has a very
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: good chance of defeating Trump, and that she is likely
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the favorite if the race were to end right now.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I have been consistent in that. I've also been consistent
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: in saying the race is not over, Trump can still win,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and that the scenario for Trump winning in my view,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is becoming more and more clear, which is that the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: quote unquote, and I've been referring to this online now
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is the new car smell for Harris may wear off
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: before people actually vote.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: That to me is the key question right now.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Is the new car smell gonna wear off of Kamala
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Harris before the media salespeople are able to get her
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: off the lot.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: That's the best.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Analogy metaphor Similarly, what have you that I can come
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: up with right now, is that the news media are
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: like the salespeople trying to get rid of this car.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Hey, look what we got for you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you didn't like that old Jealoppie Joe Biden.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: We got a new car for you. Look how shiny
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It's new.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It's a lot newer than the other car you're thinking
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: about potentially buying. And can you smell it? Can you
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: smell that new car smell? She's new, and you know
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: it's a new path into the future, and you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: this is a great, great deal we got for you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And people might buy that in the short run if
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: they have enough time to think it through. Some people
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: may get cold feet, especially if that new car smell
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: wears off. Now that's partially why I didn't understand the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: decision by the Trump team or mainly Trump himself, to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: not do a second debate, because I think you need
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: her to be.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: As exposed as possible so that.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: That new car smell wears off as quickly as can be,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: so that maybe people on their own will decide, yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I don't really feel that good about this.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the car that's got a lot
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: of problems, but I know it. We've driven it before,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: it worked. Okay, it's only going to be around for
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: another four years, and we get we can get a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: new car at that time that I think it would
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: be a better strategy. If you're the Trump team, you
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: need that new car smell to wear off of Harris,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and that is, to me been the scenario where Trump
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: can most easily win this, especially since there's you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure something's gonna happen. There's always an October surprise
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of some sort, but there's nothing on the horizon, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think the vice presidential debate, which will occur
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night, is.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Going to be this.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I'll talk a little bit about that maybe later on,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but you know, I don't see anything on the horizon.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a for sure potential game changer.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You need people to get wary of Kamala Harris and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to have second thought because currently, as I've been continually
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: updating on each episode of this podcast, if the election
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: were held now, I believe Harris would win. Now do
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I know that for sure? No, But I've been pretty
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: confident that Harris would win, slowly but surely. I don't
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: know if you've noticed, but when I do my electoral
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: college projection of what would happen if the race ended today,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Trump has been making gains in the tally and Trump
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: has made another game in the John Zigler electoral College
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: current tallly, I now have it as the closest I've
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: ever had it since this project started, since I started
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: doing the elector college projections on the Death of Journalism podcast.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I now have it if the election were today, Harris
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: at two seventy six and Trump at two sixty two.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And the reason I have it now at.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Two seventy six to two sixty two, which is exceedingly close,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: is that I have now placed North Carolina back into
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Trump's camp, into Trump's column I've been thinking about doing
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that for a couple of episodes.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: There are now enough polls. Now, these polls do not.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Indicate that Trump is winning North Carolina handily, not even
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: outside the margin of error. But there are a number
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of polls now, not all of them, but there are
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a series of them that have recently shown Trump with
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: about a two maybe a three point lead in North Carolina.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I state that he's won twice previously, in the general
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: elections of twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, and so I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: am now if the election were today, gun to my head,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I got to say that Trump would be the favorite
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. That would mean that Harris's electro college
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: victory would be exceedingly narrow. Now, part of what made
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: me decide to put North Carolina in this in the
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Trump camp is that there's a Fox News poll.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Fox News poll, as I've said previously, is generally pretty liberal.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Trump hates the Fox News poll. It's not necessarily very
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: good to him. But they had Trump winning both Pennsylvania
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: barely and North Carolina barely. But what was convincing to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: me about this poll was that they also pulled the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: down ballot race. The key down ballot race in both
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and North Carolina, the Senate race in Pennsylvania and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the governor's race in North Carolina. And in both of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: those situations, Trump out pulled the Republican by a large margin. Now,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the reason why that to me is important is that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it shows that this was not a bad sample for Harris. Like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: for instance, if you had a situation where the incumbent
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: senator in Pennsylvania and Bob Casey, if he was like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: barely winning against McCormick, I would be very suspicious that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this wasn't just a bad Harris sample, that they had
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: oversampled Republicans, and Trump isn't really out doing the Republican
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: candidate all that much, and so therefore that might not
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: be an indication that Trump is really gonna win the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: state when it comes down to it. But in both
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and North Carolina, in this Fox News poll not
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a pro Trump poll, in both of these situations, Trump
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: was way outdoing the Republican. Now, in North Carolina's Govntorial race,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that's not difficult because Robinson.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Is in a whole lot of trouble.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But I still think the fact that there was a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: massive disparity between Trump and the GOP candidate tells me
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that that was at least a viable fair sample. Doesn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: prove he's gonna win in either.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Of these states.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I still have Harris winning Pennsylvania, just barely. But it
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: now comes down to Pennsylvania. As I've been saying and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: most people have been saying for many months now, under
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: my current projections, the whole thing comes down to Pennsylvania,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: maybe Wisconsin. Either one of those. Trump has got to
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: win one of those two, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. I still
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: think he's the underdog in both. But are we seeing
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in these state polls this new car smell phenomenon wearing off?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Is that what's happening here? I need some more data.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: We're still not close enough to the election to make
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: any sort of actual prediction, but as of right now,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: we are headed for an exceedingly bizarrely, excruciatingly close election
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and it basically still comes down to Pennsylvania now. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: when you mentioned North Carolina, you obviously have to talk
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: about the impact of Hurricane Helene and the devastation that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: has occurred in western North Carolina as well as eastern Tennessee.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It has been horrendous. The pictures are absolutely horrific, I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: almost unprecedented, total devastation. And you know my take on
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: this as someone who lived through the Katrina catastrophe. I
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I'm talking about it from a media perspective.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: What happened with regard to New Orleans in Katrina in
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I do believe that we are
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: seeing the makings of a massive double standard here when
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it comes to the news media coverage. I mean, for
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: those that may not remember, but in two thousand and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: six Katrina, which at first people should remember.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And it was somewhat similar to len because people forget
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: that the.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Landfall of Katrina was actually not as bad as had
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: been forecasted.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: But it was the aftermath.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It was the flooding, It was the breaching of the levees,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was the fact that New Orleans is a city built
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: underground of this was inevitable that this was going to happen.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: That ended up causing.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So much of the catastrophe that followed and the social
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: chaos that ensued. I mean, it was it was unprecedented
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: in the monern media age, and you know, some of
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: it was exaggerated, like Oprah Winfrey at the super Dome
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: with babies being raped and that kind of stuff was
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: this total garbage and not true and created a narrative
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that was of panic and chaos. And obviously, with regard
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to New Orleans, you have an inherent racial component there.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But that was a city that was run by a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: democratic mayor and a state that had a democratic governor,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and somehow.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: George Bush got all.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: The blame for that. That was where the media focused
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: their ire. Someone's got to be blamed here, because you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: this is a catastrophic response, and you know George Bush,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you know, praised the head of FEMA heck of a job, brownie,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and that's all they needed. I mean, there was no
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: indication that Bush didn't care or you know, didn't.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Do everything he could. No one ever told me what
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he should have done.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Differently, I was a George Bush fan, but it was
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: an absolute political attack. It was effectively a lot like
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: what they did with COVID and Donald Trump, only obviously
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: COVID was even bigger and it was nationwide and worldwide.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: But I thought the media coverage of Katrina was an
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: absolute abomination, especially when it came to blame George Bush
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a midterm election year, and they
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: effectively ended his presidency. That's what they did with Katrina.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Now Here we have Asheville, North Carolina, or western North Carolina,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: which is clearly not an urban center, and there aren't
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: nearly as many black people as there were in New Orleans.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: And you've got a state that's run by a democratic governor,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and you've got a state that's clearly a very key
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: swing state in a presidential election. Well one, the media
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: concern about the rural areas of North Carolina and Tennessee
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be anything close and in close as
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: of this point to what the concern was for New
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Orleans after Katrina.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, part of that's the area of.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: The country and there's technical reasons behind that, but part
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of it's because these people just don't think that rural
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: America is all that important. They also don't see that
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: as a story that works well for them. I don't
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: think they're gonna like focusing on the fact that the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: government is helpless in a democratically controlled state North Carolina
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that is a swing state in the presidential election.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: There's no inherent, you know, agenda here for the news media. Now.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that there'll be coverage of this.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: There may be mean growing coverage of this as we
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: realize the impact of the devastation.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: But to me, as of right now, the double.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Standard between the way the news media handled Katrina and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the way they're handling North Carolina in the aftermath of
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: this hurricane is very stark and very telling. I don't
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: want to make conclusions yet it's too early, but you know,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: now Democrats are starting to show signs that are a
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: little bit nervous. Kamala Harris is pretending that she's president,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: putting out staged photos of her seemingly I don't even
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: know what the hell that she's supposed to be doing
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: leading the response on an airplane to the hurricane. You know,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I remember George Bush getting crucified for a picture of
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: him on an airplane during the aftermath of Katrina, But
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: we're not seeing any of that with regard to Harris.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: By the way, who the fuck is even the president
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of the United States. I mean, Harris is pretending to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: be president without getting any of the ramifications of being president.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: That goes back to my pic a Lane theory. So,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you know, is she president or isn't she Is she.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: In charge or not. If she's in charge, then she deserves.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: To get you know, the accountability and responsibility that comes
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: along with that. If she's not, then why is she
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: play acting like she is for obvious political reasons? Because
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: she knows that North Carolina is a critical state.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna keep.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: An eye on what's going on there in North Carolina.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I have no idea as of this moment what the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: aftermath the hurricane will do with regard to the presidential election.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that it's going to help a Democrat
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: controlled state as far as the governor is concerned.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the news media.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Will do everything they possibly can to not blame the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: federal government in this situation for obvious reasons, and and somehow,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll figure out a way to blame Trump
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and Republicans because obviously North Carolina is a weird state.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: There are several states like this. Kentucky is another one
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: where in the legislative level it's a Republican state, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you've got a Democratic governor and they vote for Trump
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the presidential election. So there's a
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: lot yet to be sorted out, but most importantly, the
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: destruction is horrendous. Of course, there are those who are
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: trying to claim this is more evidence of climate change,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: global warming, which is utterly ridiculous US. You know, this
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: is in the middle of the hurricane season, or like
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the end of a hurricane season that was supposed to
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: have a record number of hurricanes. It's come nowhere near
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to even average number of hurricanes. That's as I predicted
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: in the last episode of the podcast that's been totally lost.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: You know, the fact that because this one created so
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: much damage and weirdly can create that damage very far inland,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: everyone's saying, oh my god, this is unprecedented.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: It's not unprecedented.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It happened actually in Ashville, North Carolina, about one hundred
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: years ago or so. These are the things that happen. Unfortunately,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the unfortunately liberals seemingly have forgotten that historically that this
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: is a major danger that we have during this time
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: of year and occasionally really horrible things are going to happen,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and it unfortunately happened in the Ashville, North Carolina area,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and as of right now, it certainly appears as if
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a massive double standard with regard
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to how that is handled and compared Grrison to the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: way they treated Katrina and New Orleans and the blaming
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of the federal government and George W.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Bush.
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