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Joe Rogan Experience _2482 - Andy Stumpf · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast Check it out. But Joe Logan Experience Train My
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  Speaker 1: Day Joe Rogan podcast, by night, all day. Being a
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  Speaker 1: pacifict is the way avoid violence at all costs. You know,
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  Speaker 1: look at you, dog, you're a fucking authors. Take it easy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an author until tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're an author once it's ritchen. I can read it,
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  Speaker 2: which makes you an author. I have a book in
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  Speaker 2: my hand, which makes you an author.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, man, you had more of a
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  Speaker 1: You had more of a hand in that book than
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  Speaker 1: you would think. Really every you know, before we start,
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  Speaker 1: I had you sign one of the copies because I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to keep it for myself. And the people's names
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  Speaker 1: who associated themselves with that, who took a chance on
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  Speaker 1: me and supporting me, they have just as much as
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  Speaker 1: hands as the monkey who may or may not have
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  Speaker 1: been sitting in front of the computer writing out the
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  Speaker 1: words very slowly.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that the case with everything in life?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's really who you know and like the
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  Speaker 2: people that you associate associate with, and what you learn
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  Speaker 2: from them and their examples with everything, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life.
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  Speaker 1: There are individuals though that would tell you that they are.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the people that I don't hang out with. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't suffer being in the presence of
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  Speaker 1: somebody who thinks that they had every idea and every
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  Speaker 1: right decision was theirs because I look at my own life. One,
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  Speaker 1: I can't compete with that, because my life is defined
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  Speaker 1: by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done. But two,
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't get it. I'm a I'm a
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  Speaker 1: product of the people who I was raised by, the
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  Speaker 1: people I was around, the people still in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we all are.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't think that you're delusional they if you
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  Speaker 2: cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dipshits, they
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  Speaker 2: just won't. Eventually they'll give in too dipshitttery. It's contagious, negative,
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  Speaker 2: negative people.
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  Speaker 1: You really got me thinking, though, that is possible. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to think of an example.
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  Speaker 2: The probably shouldn't have impossible. It couldn't be possible, but
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  Speaker 2: it's very highly unlikely. And also they didn't achieve their
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  Speaker 2: full potential. If that's the case, they would have been
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  Speaker 2: even better if they had been surrounded by exceptional people.
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  Speaker 1: Improbable at best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at best. Yeah, I've never seen an example of it. Again,
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  Speaker 2: maybe one exists that I don't know about. But as
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  Speaker 2: far as all the exceptional people that I know, they
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  Speaker 2: all associate with other exceptional people.
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  Speaker 1: You know quite a few exceptional people. You have an
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  Speaker 1: interesting job that has a Venn diagram that is incredibly
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  Speaker 1: unique in the people you've been able to sit down with.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking weird. Did you ever think No? First off,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I try to point as many people
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  Speaker 1: as possible to JR. Number one, because I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a masterpiece. It's a good thing to see. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: it's terrible. I'm like, wait for the snowflakes, and they go,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? Like what, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: just wait, it's amazing. I mean, could you have ever
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  Speaker 1: thought though at JR. E one, where I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that was you on a laptop video hundred percent? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And to where you are now, where you like sitting
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  Speaker 1: down and talking to some of the most influential people
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  Speaker 1: in the face of planet Earth.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean I think if I planned it out
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  Speaker 2: like that, it would have never worked.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you would have tried too hard. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I would have done.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I probably would have been more careful, which
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  Speaker 2: would have made it less fun, which would have made
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  Speaker 2: it less attractive.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think the two things that I've done that are
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  Speaker 2: really important is not pay attention to much online talk
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  Speaker 2: about me, and just follow my interests and my instincts.
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  Speaker 2: Like I booked the whole thing entirely on instinct. I
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  Speaker 2: look at like the the all the different suggestions that
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  Speaker 2: come in and all the different requests to be on
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  Speaker 2: the show, and I go, no, may where's that?
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  Speaker 1: Huh? Purely on self interest? One hundred. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the way. What do you get per day? Like ballpark
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  Speaker 1: people trying to get on your show? I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: Because I have a really good guy that filters out
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them. I bet it's got to be
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  Speaker 1: in the hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, But he filters out a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them. And it gets down to, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: what I he knows me really well and so he,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sends me Like some physicists is working on
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  Speaker 2: some new things, some quantum thing, this, that the other thing,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a new person that's doing this, and there's
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  Speaker 2: new research on that, and then there's you know that
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  Speaker 2: kind of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the difference between you and me is
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that you can hold a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with those people. I would be sitting there listening to
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  Speaker 1: them with like the scroll wheel. Do you have words
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  Speaker 1: that are smaller that could explain that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, some of them I have to really prepare for,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, if I have like a Brian cox
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  Speaker 2: On or something like that, I'll really prepare, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Or you know, There's been a few people over over
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  Speaker 2: time where I knew they were coming on like three
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  Speaker 2: months out, so I've read a couple of their books,
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  Speaker 2: I watched a few.
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  Speaker 1: Of their lectures or what you know. But then there's
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  Speaker 1: other ones like.
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  Speaker 2: I could just hang out with them, like Evan Hafer
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  Speaker 2: comes on, just choot the.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, angry small French painter, fucking Green Berets. He's the best.
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  Speaker 1: I was with him at the Montana Grand opening Montana
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  Speaker 1: KIF Company Grand down puting their new HQ. We've been
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  Speaker 1: on the road a bit, I think like two days ago.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people. Absolutely, he's so wee,
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  Speaker 1: but he's one of my favorite people.
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  Speaker 2: He's an awesome human. Yeah, a very unusual human being.
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  Speaker 2: And you know he's one of the ones that's suffering
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  Speaker 2: from that stupid fucking alpha gael bite. He's got that tick.
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  Speaker 2: He got bit by that tick that makes you allergic
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  Speaker 2: to red meat.
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  Speaker 1: Is it all red meat or process red meat?
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  Speaker 2: It's animal meat, it's mammal meat.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: You could eat some fish. Some people can eat fish,
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  Speaker 2: some people can eat chicken. He's broken it down to
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  Speaker 2: only eating eggs right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's how bad it is.
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  Speaker 2: He's getting all this protein from eggs, which is a
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  Speaker 2: great source of protein, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But that's exhaustingly boring though. Just go to dinner with him.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs,
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  Speaker 1: that's all. I would just mock him incessantly to his face.
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  Speaker 1: I know, you would you get a larger salad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would mock him that way because I
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  Speaker 1: care for him so deeply. He is truly like one
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  Speaker 1: of my closest friends. He is, he's an awesome dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so he's been battling this for a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years now. So he got clear of it and he
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  Speaker 2: was eating meat again, and he was fine. And he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was over and then it came back. He
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  Speaker 2: came back with a vengeance. And it's it's a weird
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  Speaker 2: fucking disease. Because I've let's find out put this into perplexity.
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  Speaker 2: What what is the most well, what is as far
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  Speaker 2: as like the documented cases of this alpha gaal syndrome,
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  Speaker 2: when did it first start occurring in the United States?
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  Speaker 2: Because I had never even heard about it until Evan
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  Speaker 2: when he told me about it, I was like, what,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta allergic to red meat?
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  Speaker 1: And how can a tick bike cause it? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: lime disease is another one, like, w how does it
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  Speaker 1: do that? A bite from a tick just jacks up
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  Speaker 1: the human body.
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  Speaker 2: Well, apparently lime disease has existed, There's been forms of
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  Speaker 2: lime disease throughout history, but there's real solid evidence that
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  Speaker 2: lime disease, which is named lime disease because of lime
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  Speaker 2: Connecticut is related to Plumb Island where they were doing
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  Speaker 2: bioweapons research on tics. It's historically good idea and it's
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  Speaker 2: right there, it's like literally right there. And then the
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  Speaker 2: prevalence of lime disease on the East Coast it's fucking outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: It's outrageous. How many ticks carry this fucking thing. I
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  Speaker 2: know so many people that have lime disease.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a lifelong one too, right, Like you're not
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  Speaker 1: getting off that train. If you can manage the sea,
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  Speaker 1: you can cure it. You can cure it.
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  Speaker 2: People have cured it, and they particularly cured it if
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  Speaker 2: they get on antibiotics very quickly. So one of the
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  Speaker 2: weird things about lime disease is that the bite has
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  Speaker 2: like a.
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  Speaker 1: Little target around it. It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it almost looks like a bull's eye because
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  Speaker 2: the infection as it grows, there's a red circle around
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  Speaker 2: the bite. And if that's and but that goes away
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  Speaker 2: within a few days. But if that's recognized, you bring
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  Speaker 2: it to a doctor that gets you on antibiotics, you
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  Speaker 2: can actually get off of it, depending on the severity
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  Speaker 2: of your case.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, so here it is.
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  Speaker 2: Alpha gal syndromes appeared to at first emerged in the
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  Speaker 2: US in the late nineteen eighties, but was not recognized
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  Speaker 2: as a distinct tick related meat allergy until the early
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  Speaker 2: two thousands. So in eighty nine, clinicians in Georgia collected
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  Speaker 2: about ten cases of delayed allergic reactions to mammalian meat,
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  Speaker 2: mammalian mammalian mammalian meat, and linked them to prior tick bites,
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  Speaker 2: but these observations were not widely recognized at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Alergie was first formally identified as originating from tick bites
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  Speaker 2: in the US by Thomas Platt's Mills in the early
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  Speaker 2: two thousands. Reports note this discovery process beginning around two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and two and becoming clear by two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 2: Huh So in the medical literature is first described in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, when published work documented patients with
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  Speaker 2: delayed reactions to red meat and linked them to IgE
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  Speaker 2: against alpha gal Interesting. So it seems like it's in
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  Speaker 2: the eighties, but really started being recognized in the two thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Explain, I mean he has definitely he's slendered down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's lost I think he lost ten pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was. Weren't his wife's pants at
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  Speaker 1: the MKC that they were very tight, very tight, unacceptably tight.
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  Speaker 1: But that could be a benefit if you're the same
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  Speaker 1: size as your wife and you have just one wardrobe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for it. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, it's efficiency.
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  Speaker 1: Some of their shoes, though, are really hard to walk
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  Speaker 1: around in. I mean you got to commit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine and many Yeah, when I go
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  Speaker 2: places with my wife and I'm like, what.
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing? You can't walk? This is a crazy
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  Speaker 1: thing you're doing. It's not for walk fashion. It's for
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  Speaker 1: what my daughter would call the steeze, which I think
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  Speaker 1: means style. I didn't know that. I didn't know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually not sure that I'm using it correctly. She just
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  Speaker 1: teaches me words and I throw them out at random times.
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  Speaker 1: But I learned a lot. Stez means style. I think, Yeah, steeze. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you know about that one Jamie steeze.
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  Speaker 3: I've probably heard of that.
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  Speaker 2: I have never heard it until this moment, at least,
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe.
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  Speaker 1: So the steeze. You're free to use it however you want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. You
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  Speaker 2: can only take steps that are less than twenty four
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  Speaker 2: inches wide because you've got a dress that's like clinging
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  Speaker 2: to your knees, which is very odd, like it's like
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  Speaker 2: tight all around here. So you've got these like short steps,
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  Speaker 2: and then the bottoms of your shoes are slippery, and
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  Speaker 2: then your heels are elevated, and then the heel has
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  Speaker 2: a point to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it gets stuck in the grass, just waiting
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  Speaker 1: to snap at the most inopportune moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's the dumbest shit of all time. And they're fucking
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  Speaker 2: crazy expensive. The whole thing makes no sense, Like, what
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  Speaker 2: are they doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to look good for.
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  Speaker 2: Us Jo, But they look good already. That's what they
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  Speaker 2: don't understand. I think they're looking good for themselves. I
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  Speaker 2: think they look good without that shit, I would agree. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hot chicken flip flops. No one's going God, wish she
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  Speaker 2: was wearing some shoes as you couldn't walk around in.
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  Speaker 1: She might even be more approachable if she wasn't flip flops,
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  Speaker 1: because you'd be like, she's like maybe more down to earth.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for, not approachable,
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  Speaker 2: trying to keep the fucking.
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  Speaker 1: Does that defeat the overall end at like long end
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  Speaker 1: around purpose.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're trying to get dudes that are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: willing to take a chance you know on what on
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  Speaker 2: a gal that's unapproachable, Like you have enough confidence in
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  Speaker 2: yourself that you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, not me. Hard passed hard pass. I'm willing to
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  Speaker 1: do some things that people think are odd, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hard. That's a hard pass.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. But it's also it's like you're not
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  Speaker 2: you're in line. There's a lot of other dudes approaching
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  Speaker 2: that too, probably so now then it's like you're in
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  Speaker 2: an audition process.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Life is way too short for It's great for people
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  Speaker 2: who don't have anything else to do. If that's all
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  Speaker 2: you want to do, Nope, yeah, I'm not interested in
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  Speaker 2: that either.
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  Speaker 1: Say, there's way too much other exciting shit out there.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the
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  Speaker 2: same clothes, it would be an issue, a.
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  Speaker 1: Good issue or bad. I mean, if you're limited on time,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna go on a trip. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: bring a pair of pants, will switch. I wonder what
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  Speaker 1: people did in the caveman days. I don't think they
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  Speaker 1: were wearing.
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  Speaker 2: Much right, but you wearing like some kind of animal skins.
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  Speaker 2: It's basically a one size fits all. Yeah, tarp, roll
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  Speaker 2: over yourself, Yeah, loincloth to keep your dick from getting
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  Speaker 2: caught in thorns, and then at tarp.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cutting edge.
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  Speaker 2: At the time I was reading this story about these
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  Speaker 2: guys that were like exceptional marathon runners in uh in Africa,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the things that they did is this
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  Speaker 2: insane fucking rites of passage where they would circumcise them
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  Speaker 2: with this I don't remember the process, but it was
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  Speaker 2: a particularly brutal process. They slice the tip of their
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  Speaker 2: dick off and then they would make them literally crawl
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  Speaker 2: through thorns.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the whole idea is just like make you as
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  Speaker 2: hall as humanly possible. And these guys, they were pointing
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  Speaker 2: to this one tribe as developing exceptional marathon runners because
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  Speaker 2: these guys had such high pain tolerance and such like
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  Speaker 2: willingness to go through horrific ordeals.
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  Speaker 1: What is it here, It is initiation, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So he says he had to crawl mostly naked, through
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  Speaker 2: a tunnel of African stinging nettles. Then he was beaten
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  Speaker 2: on the bony parts of his ankle, Then his knuckles
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  Speaker 2: were squeezed together, and then the formic acid from the
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  Speaker 2: stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals. But that was
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  Speaker 2: all just a warm up. Early one morning, he was
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  Speaker 2: circumcised with a sharp stick. That's what it is, a
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  Speaker 2: stick stick. During this whole process, the crawling, the beatings,
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  Speaker 2: and the cuttings. Try to say that guy's name, No
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  Speaker 2: kip go guy kip gogi, kip go Guy kip Gogi
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  Speaker 2: was a blige sounds like a Korean dish. Was obliged
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  Speaker 2: to be absolutely stoical, unflinching. He could not make a sound. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: in some of the versiones of the ceremony, mud is
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  Speaker 2: caked on the face, and then mud is allowed to drive.
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  Speaker 2: A crack appears in the mud. Your cheek may twitch,
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  Speaker 2: your forehead may crimple crimple. You get labeled a kebit
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  Speaker 2: tet a coward. You get label a coward if your
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  Speaker 2: cheek crinkles, and stigmatized by the whole community. Manners say
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  Speaker 2: that this is enormous social pressure placed on your ability
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  Speaker 2: to endure pain and is actually great training for a
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  Speaker 2: sport like running, where pushing through pain is so fundamental
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  Speaker 2: to success circumcisions, he says, teaches kids to withstand pressure
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  Speaker 2: and tolerate pain. Manner says he thinks this distinct advantage
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  Speaker 2: conferred on athletic kids who grew up in a pain
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  Speaker 2: embrace in society as opposed to Western pain avoiding. One
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  Speaker 2: interesting is this where is this at in Kenya is
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  Speaker 2: a Kenyan tribe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm a honest with you, Joe. If
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  Speaker 1: that's what they did to your people, I would run
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  Speaker 1: pretty goddamn fast too, because I would want to get
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  Speaker 1: the hell out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the think is that, But I just think you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're joking obviously, But imagine if that's the norm, if
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  Speaker 2: that's your baseline, you're like accustomed to that, that's the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing that you go through and you have to
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  Speaker 2: do a completely stoic at.
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  Speaker 1: A young age.
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  Speaker 2: At a young age, you would develop some insane tolerance
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  Speaker 2: to discomfort, which I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know if one time is enough though. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like what they're describing as horrendous, but true tolerance and
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  Speaker 1: resilience inability to work through that stuff. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's a singular event, right not The marathon running is
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  Speaker 1: an easy endeavor by any stretch, So they're continuing to
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  Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I get what they're doing that
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  Speaker 1: right of passage, but holy hell, I mean, mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty gnarly.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that you will see from ex fighters
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: and even ex military guys, like what they endured when
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: they were young was so brutal that as they get
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: older they avoid any discomfort at all, fat and they
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: just want to drink and be lazy. And you're like,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: how did you go from being that fucking beast till
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: the slob? And you know they still in their mind
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: there's still a beast, you know, because I did this
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: when I was a world champion and like.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: A big fucking billy. Yeah, they can't see their dick
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: when they're naked anymore. Weird. It's I don't have any
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: stats on how it's because they stop doing it, correct, right,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, laziness affects everybody, right, But I think that you
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: come from the special operations world and you're defined by
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: discipline for the rest of your life. No, you're You're
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: still a human being at the end of the day
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: behind the curtain. And you know, gravity wants to keep
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: guys like that on the couch just as much as
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, but I think you realize the utility
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of not allowing that to happen. Some people do, Some
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: people do. I mean that's true of every occupation in life. Sure,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you know, yep, yep. Maybe it's a little bit more
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: uncommon for people to see those that came from that
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: one of those occupations. But yeah, they're out there. Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably in everything in the medical world.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's guys that like really.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Pay attention in college and then they're kind of half
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: passing it as doctors. Yeah for sure. Yeah, it's like
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the difficulty of the grind. Sometimes you get through it
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and then you just go I don't want to ever.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Fucking do that again.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Like I know guys who are former Navy seals will
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: not get in a fucking ice bath.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one of those cool, hi, nice meeting. Why
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: would I consensually do that? No? No, And I also
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: wish that they could make a sauna that was just
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: room temperature but had all the health benefits.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: See, sauna doesn't bother me at all.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I can tolerate that one way more than exceptionally cold water,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: which I understand the health benefit. I'm willing to pass
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: on that particular health benefit to It's emotional for me.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to do that anymore.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I get it, Yeah, I get it, But what when
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I get to the cold plunge. There's the bitch in
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: me is so loud. But when I get to the sauna.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: There's no bitch, it's like, just get in. It's like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I know it's gonna suck. About twenty minutes.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: In, it'll suck. For the last five it's really gonna suck.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But the first ten is easy. I just high five
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: my inner bitch, hit the cold plunge and turn around.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: You take a laugh in that thing. I'm done with it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I almost don't do it every day. Every day, I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: almost don't do it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is physically.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And uh, it's weird because after a minute, it's not
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that bad. After one minute, it's like you just kind
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of you develop like sort of a relaxation and you're cool. Yeah,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it's fine, especially if you do it a lot, but
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the first ten to fifteen seconds are just like what
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: am I doing? You just want to get out? You
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: just want to quit, Like, couldn't get me the fuck
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: out of this thirty four degree water with ice up
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to my neck? Fuck this this is so stupid. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: don't have to do that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You feel like you're having a heart attack.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: But then you just chill and then when you get out,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you feel so good.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It's so worth it. Or don't do it, just leave
• 18:56
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Huberman is an example of a guy
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• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Then there's a picture of me and the low right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's probably what I look like when I get my
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  Speaker 2: You suffer enough, You suffer enough. So this book, the
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  Speaker 2: got started, how many navy seals wind up drowning, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that it's actually kind of shocking.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It would be for a community that is supposed to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: have their roots in a maritime environment. I mean, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: seal community draws its origins from the UDTs and the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: scouts and raiders, And honestly, up until nine to eleven,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it was one foot in the water and one foot
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: on land. Like every operation would start in the water
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and then you could go onto the land, but you'd
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: probably go back into the water. And almost all of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the training we did nine to eleven was based around water.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I think, let's see, Jamie, you could look this up.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Two seals recently drowned on a shipboarding real world shipboarding.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: One guy, it seems like, in the climb, peeled off
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the ladder and went into the water, and somebody saw
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: him and went in with him because of the concept
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of being a swim buddy, never to be seen again.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you know what happened to them?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Like out, I mean it's yeah, twenty twenty four in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the Arabian Sea. Oh wait, so we fell off a ship. Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: So they were approaching a vessel. I mean, there's a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: couple of ways that you can get on a boat.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: You can come from a boat and you can climb up,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: or you can go from a helicopter and fast rope
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: down where they could land depending on how big the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: boat is. So they were coming up alongside it's called
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: an underway or a VBSS. Visit board search and seizure
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: is the technical military term for it. And on the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: climb up the ladder, the guy peeled off, fell off
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the ladder, and another one went in with him as
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: his swim buddy if they immediately and there was, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it may be still is an ongoing investigation. From my understanding,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they saw their head maybe one time up and then
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they were gone. Their bodies were never recovered, so that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: would seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: so they were drug down and they probably were not
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: able to activate their life jackets in time, which is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: super unfortunate. But the water doesn't give a shit who
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you are and how much of a badass you were.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on Earth.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Every time I got in the ocean and I swim
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in the ocean, there's this feeling like I think I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: can make it to shore, but I'm might not be
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: able to. Like if you jump off of a boat
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and you've got like a couple of hundred yards to shore. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: as you start swimming, you start swimming like I'm fine,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. Oh boy, my heart is going pretty fast here,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a long way. I'm moving
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: very slowly. Yeah, Like what if I can't do this?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: These are real positive thoughts to have its wind swim
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: here Joe. Yeah, not good, not good.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only happened to me a few times. But yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, my friend Greg actually had to save a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: woman he was on vacation. You saw a woman getting
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: caught in the tide and she's getting pulled out, and oh.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Like a rip tide. Uh huh. They never do those
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: things will pull people out, never to be seen again. Yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: people don't. So. I live up in northwestern Montana and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest freshwater lake
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: west of the Mississippi, is right where I live, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Glacier National Park tons of snowfall, and so it's glacially
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: fed rivers that feed into flat Haead National Forest or
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: not in Flatted National Forest. The Flatad Lake and boating
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is a huge summertime activity and people travel from all
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: over the world to come to Montana to see GNP
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Glacier National Park. And every year people are drowning in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: these rivers. And I don't know, it's dangerous, but it
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: can be avoided. But it seems as if they just
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: do not have respect for even medium moving water. They
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: have no exposure to it, they're not used to be
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: inning to being in that water, and they don't look
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: at it and realize, like, that'll kill me so incredibly fast.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And every year people are going into that thing and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: dying every year.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Well it makes sense also that it's so fucking cold
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that water's you got glacier streams. Yeah, it's like Remy
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: rescued a lady from that, you know, Remy morning. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Remy actually saw a boat that had capsized and saw
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: like gear floating by, and saw a woman that was struggling,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and I believe her partner died. Now I'm sure a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: partner died. And he jumped in freezing cold river and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: rescue are and he was like, there's a bunch of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: moments during there was like I am not going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: make and I'm gonna die.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Trying to save this lady, which happens when people get
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: close to that point ei they're going to and your
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: best attempt to save them, they will try to use
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: you as a life raut and climb all over you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: The next thing you know, two people are going instead
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of one. Right. Yeah, the the water will eat your
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: lunch man. It's it's wild, but you think we spend
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: so much time training in the water that it wouldn't happen.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: There's I mean, there's diving accidents, there is there are
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: deaths in training. How often does that occur, deaths in training? Oh,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: probably about every five years. And it sucks, And what
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm about to say people won't understand. But I also
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: think it's essential. I don't want it to happen, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I think it probably is essential that it does every
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: once in a while.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Because the training has to be so difficult that you
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: get to the brink.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: You have to train people for the job that they're
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: going to be asked to do, and the training standards
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: career is going to be. And I don't have the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: vocabulary to describe how bad I feel for the families,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to minimize anybody's death, but you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: will lose more people in the real world execution of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the job. If you don't make training that difficult, then
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you will by making it that dangerous, knowing that it's
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: going to be that dangerous and that people will die,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that will have a positive impact on people surviving the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: actual job itself. That completely makes sense. It's just the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: realities of life. Yeah, some jobs are very unique and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: some jobs have very unique requirements and you have to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: train for that or it's it's gonna either come for
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you on the front end of that or the tail
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: end of that. That's the balance of which one of
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: those are you going to focus on.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Which is why the lowering of standards is so fucking dangerous.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And when it's talked about, like the lowering of standards
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to make it fair for some applicants, like there's no
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: fair in that job.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because it noticed
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: what you have between your legs and wanted to go
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: be more fair and equitable to somebody else. You know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's it doesn't matter in those moments.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Nor does the ocean give a fuck no period.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: No, I don't believe it does.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But it's so weird when we try to apply these
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: workplace equity considerations to something that's like literally, I can't
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: think of a job that requires more of you than war,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like there is there's this is literal life or death
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and taking life. There's no there's no job that requires
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: more of you, And so you would just automatically assume
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the standards, especially for special operations, guys have to be
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the most stringent possible. You have to weed out all
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the bitches, like you can have any bitch in you
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: at all. There's got to be none, no quit, no nothing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: And that's there's only one way to do that. It
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: has you have to make a bunch of people quit.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of the times, the people who are bottom
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: lining the policy changes don't have a direct impact in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the training pipeline themselves or the execution of the job,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. Yeah, I mean, the military's a bureaucratic system.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Even in the special operations world, even at like that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Jasok level, people would be It never really makes the movie.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: The amount of paperwork that you end up doing. Like
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you go on a trip and you have to collect
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: your receipts and do your travel claim and all this
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: other bs. It's all just shit blowing up. And you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you throw a grenade and it's a fireball the size
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of a fifty five gallon drum and gasoline and yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and then there's two days sitting in front of a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: computer typing out all of your administrative stuff because of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: all the bureaucratic restraints that are still involved in all
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of that. That doesn't seem smart. It's just the way
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the military system works.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Now is that to somehow another mitigate potential actions that
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: should not have been done because you have to be
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: so documented.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Everything has to be so laid out. I mean, there's
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of even like the equipment that you wear oftentimes,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: well almost all of it is going to be serialized.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So you were issued that equipment, you're responsible for it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: There's paperwork that goes for being issued that if you
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: lose it, which does happen, and it's not going to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: be career enning. Like if if you went out for
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a week in a row and you're like, hey, I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: lost my night vision goggles again them and need another
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: set of those, you might have a problem. But shit
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: happens and people lose gear. But you know, night vision, weapons, ordnance, ammunition,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like a lot of that stuff is serialized. And so
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it's just the bureaucratic way that even at that level
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you still have to keep track of all of that stuff.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: You who think they should hire somebody else to do that,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: they do. But oftentimes you are in small units, very
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: isolated by yourself, and so you still have to maintain
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like even in the middle of nowhere, you're still going
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to have to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: stuff that you take with you. God, that's kind of crazy.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like an unnecessary distraction to an already
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: very insanely difficult job.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork well.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason why the DoD has never
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: passed an audit.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: But I mean, ever, I know the Pentagon, Like how
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: many years in a rows the Pentagon failed their audits.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Like seven hundred. It really is kind of bokers. I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: believe the Marine Corps is the only branch of the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: military that has ever actually done a legitimate audit in passed. Really,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: those guys are tightened up, man, those guys. God, I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: love Marines. They are shout out to the Marine. They
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: are the best. Man. Wow, they the only guys who
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: passed the audits. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, the rest of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: us are just out there like I think I got
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it with me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: But the problem with that is, once you don't pass
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: audits and there's a history of you not only not
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: passing audits, but not being punished for not passing audits,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that opens up the door. No, the Pentagon has never passed,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: never passed a full clean department wide financial audit of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: As of the latest audits, Defense Department is the only
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: one of twenty four major federal agencies that has never
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: passed a full financial audit. Hell yeah, so it's only
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: been going on since twenty eighteen, So no big deal, guys,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: it's only eight years.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's only a few trillion dollars. Whatever.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Whatever, it's fake money anyway, they just make it. That's
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the budget is interesting in the military, so they
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: go off a fiscal year from October first, and okay,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: this hold up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Get this statistic where the Pentagon's own audit materials have
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: pointed to a target of around twenty twenty eight financial
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: year to achieve to finally achieve a clean department wide audit,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: contingent on fixing long standing accounting and systems problems. Imagine
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: if like the IRS calls you up, says Andy, you
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: didn't pass your audit.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I think I can get it in twenty twenty eight.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'm on a lower trajectory towards this target you want
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to be at. You want me like this, I'm like
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that I can get there in about two years. Yeah, okay,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that's reasonable. Let's just take all your money between now
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and then. Oh yeah, no, we don't need to do that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Let's give you a bigger budget to work with. I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: wonder if that answer takes into account what's going on
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: currently in the world, because I feel like we're running
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: through some inventory that might have to be tabula.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It seems like there's probably a lot of ordinance that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: been A lot of it does sit around for a while,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: so there is an argument to expending it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I am not in any way, shape or form we
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: could go bad. It's like tomatoes. You got to eat
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it exactly like tomatoes. I suppose a grenade is slightly
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: tomatoes shaped, but jadeam looks nothing like a tomato. Do
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they do what I mean, just I don't know if
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: this has ever happened.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: What do they do if whe whether it's missiles or
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: any weapons have been sitting around too long and you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is there an expiration date?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: There probably is, And I mean I've been there when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: we have literally burned like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: rifle ammunition. Really yeah, Because.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: If it's sitting around too long, there comes the possibility
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that it's no longer affect.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Of uh, man, this is a while ago. I think
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it was more that once we got issued it, we
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: were expected to expend it all, so we were not
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: allowed to take it back to base with us.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So we were Oh, that's hilarious. Oh that's an even dummer.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You want some funny stories, talk to Evan sometime. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: bet you he's had this experience. So there's a a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: weapon called the Karl Gustav that if you shoot too
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: many of these things, it's in the manual, it'll start
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: separating the lining in your lungs from your body because
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you're just it is just this massive projectile. And you'll
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: go out and do these training evolutions and they'll say, yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: here we are the Carl g. Do not stand behind
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: this bad boy when it goes off.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So how many can you shoot before it separates the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: linings of your lungs?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I believe the warning is somewhere around six. Oh Jesus Christ,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: oh Joe. You'll go out to training evolutions and there'll
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: be five guys and there's a palette of ammunition and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: they'll say, you're not leaving here until all these are shot.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, and you're cracking off. Karl G's until
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you have a nosebleed or you'll go out there they
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: have like law rockets or you know. Uh. When I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: first went through was M sixty M. They're like, yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but you guys, the training's not over until you guys
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: shoot all this. But like, yeah, but we totally did
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: everything we're supposed to be. We can't we understand that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But just go ahead and lay down on the line
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and shoot these thousands of rounds of ammunition at whatever
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you want to because it's been issued to you, So
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: now I need to go expend it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Can you show me one of those things going off?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Jamie Carl Geez, I want to say what it looks like.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk my wife into naming our next up,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Carl g I shot a fifty caliber ones and I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was like a Barrett Yeah. I was like how that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: feel like your whole body just goes Yeah. So this
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: is a two man evolution. Here. Look at the size
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of that bad boy. Sit close it, lock it. He's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: checking the back blast. This guy's like, fuck, I'm about
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to lose my teeth. Here we go. Oh did you
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: shoot it? Yeah? I didn't see it. It's supposed to
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: be essentially recoilss it doesn't Why didn't they show it?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They did show it again. That's the backblast right there.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Oh so he doesn't even move. Oh when he was
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: pulling the trigger that wasn't loaded. That was a fake
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: shot of him showing how you pull the trigger.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, we'll see if there's more video. I just
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: want a better shot of it actually going off in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: his arms. Let me see what it looks like. Here
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: we go, blood very glad boy, he looks fucking nervous. Yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: look at him breathing, bick, big big, Oh my goodness.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, air burst. You can set these suckers. You
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: can twist the warhead to seted delay on the thing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You can have it air burst like they're trying to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: play hide and seek with you on a wall.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: See, this is the argument for those little robot dogs,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: because you put one on one of them little robot
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: dogs and have that thing shoot it, and that way
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you don't have to lose the lining of your lungs.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if a robot dog can handle that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: thing real.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: What about one of them big robot dogs.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If the answer is just make it bigger.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Probably I'm sure there was the size of robot dog
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that could handle that. I mean you would imagine, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: then you would need a friendly other robot dog to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: reload it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: For him, right, but that would be possible. That would
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: totally be possible. Or the robot dog has like arms
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: in the back.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that can do it. Oh that was a training round.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Nice a little rifle barely.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's crazy. That's cool to see. What a great shot.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Imagine standing there taking that shot though.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Fuck all that a loading around into it all? Yeah?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Good lord. Yeah. No, next time you're sitting down with Evan,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: ask him like, hey, did you ever ask at the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: end of training evolutions ever have extra ordinance and ammunition
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that you had to dispose of? That's crazy? They just
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: make you blow it up. Yeah, his answer will be yes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Then he'll just start laughing.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So if you have to do it outside of shooting,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: how do you do it? You can blow stuff and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: play like you can make a large pile of stuff
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: and you.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Know, layer something at it. Uh, probably on fire. You
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: can actually light ammunition on fire. It'll go off and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: outside of direction, well, outside of it being compressed in
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the chamber of a gun, which you know, if you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: think of like an ar platform rifle. When the round
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is in the magazine, it gets pushed forward by the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: bolt and it's being held by all sides except for
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: down the barrel, so all of the pressure is pointed
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in that direction, which is what propels the bullet down
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the barrel. If you remove that, it kind of just
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: explodes in place. I'm not saying it's safe to like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: stand around and like have a beer while you're watching,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Like from me to you right, we would be on
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the other side of a brim, but it sounds like
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: popcorn going off. Oh and then for other stuff, you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: can layer explosive charges on top of it and probably
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: get all of it to go.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: God, it seems insanely wasteful. It seems like you should
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: be able to say, we achieved what we needed to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: achieve in our training. Here is our excess ordinance that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: we could use in the future.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, you just haven't spent enough time around
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the military.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Well, that's been explained to me about budgets that if
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you do not meet your budget, you get in trouble
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: because then they can't ask for the same amount of
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: money next year.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So I heard that every year that when I was
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in in September was a fantastic month to be in
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the military because that's when they because the budget year
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: is October one to October one, so September the being
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: counters really start taking a look at what they have left.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: short period of time meeting I was a little cog
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: in the wheel of supplying stuff to the guys. They're like,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you need to spend one hundred thousand dollars in the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: next three hours on shoes, which, let me tell you,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: ARII is happy to take your money. ARII dot Com
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: will run that card. And you always would hear this,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: if we don't spend it, we're gonna lose it. But
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I never actually saw that tested. I don't know if
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you actually would get in trouble. They just always assumed
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that you would. So you ran that sucker down to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: bankrupt and then October first are year to go. Wow. Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: So here's a good question in terms of like shoes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: When your missions involve a bunch of different types of terrain,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a bunch of like is it do they favor a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: lighter weight shoe that's more of an all purpose shoe
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: because like I couldn't imagine you would be wearing like
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: like a crispy mountain boot with like high leather. Yeah,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: well so its very you gotta have a wardrobe, Joe, right,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: being good at your job is second only to looking
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: good while doing your job.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So we trust me. I've sent people back to hell.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Like your top and bottom are matching. We're not doing this.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Go change really, Yeah, you have to look the part.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It's equal to your professionalism and tactical ability. Interesting. Yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: maybe perhaps I was a little bit picky on that,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: but I don't I don't want to clash on the battlefield.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: You need to look good like. You can't have everybody
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: looking awesome and then like you look like shit. Go
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: change your outfit out.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah you have orange boots on, dude, what are you doing?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah the boots you could? I mean you take a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Pelican case or a box. You have a tool for
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: every job. So if you're gonna go up in the mountains,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna go like northeastern Afghanistan, you're gonna wear
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a different type of shoe for sure. If you're in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Iraq in an urban environment, you're gonna wear probably the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: lightest weight, like the I forget who makes them, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like the speed cross shoes and those things are I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: mean that you might get two months out of those,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: So you bring a couple of pair. You're gonna bring
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: some where that if you needed to go into the water,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: like not to swim around in the water, but pass
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: through water or those like Solomon's Solomon speed Cross or Yeah,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and the soles on those things they don't last very long.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But again, when you get one hundred grand buy shoes
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: for three hours, you can buy you know, extras for people,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: so you kind of have a It's just like all
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the rest of the gear. You have cold weather gear,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you have desert gear. And the coldest I've ever been
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is actually in the desert because of the super high
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: high and then the super that swing was way colder
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: than like in mountainous torright the moon. Yeah. But I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: mean so you when you lay out your stuff, like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: before every deployment you get ready to go on, you're
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: laying your stuff out. You probably have two tables like
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this with all like desert woodland, coal, weather layering system, shoes,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: different load bearing equipment, different back and then you just
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: lay it all out, put it into a bag and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: then you're doing the best you can. Then you're kind
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: of just packing, you know, for what comes up in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: front of you, and you're just ordering stuff from ARII
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: for real. Sometimes Yeah wow, so not everybody, not everywhere.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: The conventional teams are very limited in their ability to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: do that. At a JSAK level, you have a little
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: bit more room and flexibility to source from outside vendors, so.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: You would go for the best possible tool for the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: job the time. Yeah, yeap, instead of just get military
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: issue correct. Yeah, I got the dumbest question for you
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: about tell me more. This is the dumbest question. Have
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you heard of the story of the Candahar Giant?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about an actual giant?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Huh No, how did you hear the story about a
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Kandahar giant?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Is a crazy thing called the Internet.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I may spend less time on the Internet than you
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: got and if.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: You have a good algorithm, and by good I mean retarded,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: yeah you get so.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my there representation obviously not an actual picture.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there was a story that what is the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: guy's name?
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: That was on Jesse Michael's podcast recently, Tim I don't remember.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: So supposedly there was a giant that engaged US troops
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and in the very remote area, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: this guy was shot and killed and META backed out
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: of there or you know, helicopter out of there and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: they're twelve foot giant, tim Albarno.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And he was was he telling the story as if
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: he was there or he heard this. There's never a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: guy who was there, damn it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: There's apparently one guy who has his face covered up
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: in one of these videos that I watched is like
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: one of the blurry like you know, like a witness
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to a mob scene. Yep, and so you know they're legit.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think the same way. That's why I send it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to all my friends.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: But he was telling the story from people that he
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: talked to that were there.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: See. And here's the thing. I want stories like that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to be true too. I still am just waiting. Same
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: thing with the aliens. God, I so deeply wanted to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: be true. I just need somebody to hold up an
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: actual piece of evidence and say this is what I'm
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: talking about instead of I saw I know somebody who
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: was read into I had a buddy who got engaged
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: by a giant or they like, Okay, where is it right?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And until then I got a real hard time believing that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm with you, but I also want to believe,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: which I know, Cloud's my vision.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I just think it makes you hopeful.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: It gets me to a certain point, and then like
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: there's a point where my logic kicks in and I'm
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: not willing to go any further.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And that's Bigfoot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with Bigfoot, I'm like, I know too many guys
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that are in the woods.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: All the time. And let's not forget the game cameras
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: they often leave behind. That's right, Like millions of game cameras,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: At this point, like I could have bought it in
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties, like maybe who knows before drones, before satellites,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: before this, before that. And you know, there's good arguments
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that you wouldn't find the body because like you and
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I've hunted in the mountains many many times. I've never
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: seen a mountain lion skeleton, have you?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: No, No, I don't know anybody who has. I've seen
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: mountain lions. I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton. I've
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: never seen a bear skeleton. I'm sure people have found them. Yeah,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: but I haven't. And we know there's a shit ton
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of mountain lions and a shit ton of bears, so
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: there was a very small population of primates. It's not
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: inconceivable that you wouldn't find their body, especially if they
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: were in some way advanced to the point where they
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: were burying their dead, which is, you know, it's not
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: outside the realm of possibility if they have a language
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: of like, who knows what these things are?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But no, I just that doesn't. I think it used
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to be real, and I think there's real evidence of that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I want it to be.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: No, there's real evidence. There's a thing called Gigantopithecus, who
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: was a eight foot plus tall bipedal horminid that existed
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: in Asia, and it's in the orangutang family, and there's
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like recreations of what it looks like standing next to
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a human. It's huge, But that just makes sense. I mean,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: there used to be giant wooly mammoths. There used to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: be giant sloths. The idea of a giant primate is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: not inconceivable. It's like size is all relative anyway, our
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: idea of what's big compared to a fucking giraffe or this.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's all it doesn't you know, if you have enough
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: resources and there's enough food for these things. They live
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in a lush tropical environment or a lush wilderness environment.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: It's not impossible to think that something we get bigger
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: than a gorilla. But for that thing to exist today, God, yeah,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: that's what it used to look like. So I think
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that is probably what all these ancient myths are based on.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: That's probably what used to exist. So it was bipedal,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: which is also interesting, and that's based on its jaw structure.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Here's a question for you that you the species burying themselves.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: These are intrusive thoughts that I have and can't get
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: out of my head. Why don't we bury people vertically
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to save space? That's a good question. Wouldn't you get
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: more square footage more?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be harder to make a six foot tall hole
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: or you know, a tall person.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like they make oil drills that could. I mean,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they do it now, yeah, but
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: back in the day, be easier to someone's laid down,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: just roll them over into the hole. I mean, but
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: because a six foot deep hole that's like six feet
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: long I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying today's world, yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I think we can evolve.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Well, here's even weirder. You know you have to embalm
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: people before you cremate them.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Why exactly?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: My friend Joey Diaz says it's a racket because he
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: knew a guy who ran a funeral home.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: The embalming market, Well, it's all racket.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: The whole funeral home things a racket.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: They know.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Look, your family member dies, you have to bury your
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: family member. You're in grief, and then they try to
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: sell you on some fucking fancy coffin. They sell you
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: on this and sell you on that. But the embalming
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: is it's mandatory. I did not, at least for some places,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: because I know that some people are trying to do
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: what they call natural burials, and I don't know what
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the regulations are on, Like, let's find that out.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: There are upright they called upright burials. It is the thing.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: They do exist in the US though, or is this
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: some like Nordic country.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: There's a cemetery that does it already.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I was trying to look up more information on it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Probably a bunch of cheapies. One thing already that I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: can give them have fences, so like maximum square footage utilization, right,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that makes sense.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with the gravity is an issue a little bit,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: keeping it in the I don't know, there's just a
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: gravity is an issue.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Gravity's not gonna be an issue. First off, once you're
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: in that coffin and nothing good's happening right vertically her horse?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: How does that doesn't make sense?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: What kind of gravity is? Just drop them in the hole?
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I think, like, like slide it down in that hole.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I think they're saying the family doesn't like the idea
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: that they're going to be compressed into a small amount
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: in the bottom of the coffin.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Like a science issue.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I think, Well, they're fucking dead, you know. You know
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the most gnarly way they bury people, or the most
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: gnarly funeral.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Well they're still alive. No, well they're dead. Well that
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: would be the most gnarly, right.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: The most gnarly post mortem is the Tibetan sky funeral.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know how they do that? No, vultures.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: They literally break the body up, chop it up into chunks,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: and the vultures know it, and so they prepare so
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the vultures are all hanging around waiting. It is a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: tradition in Tibet with least certain people to get.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Rid of their bodies that way.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: And the idea is that, look, the person's dead. This
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is a more natural way, you know, and they'll cycle
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: back into the ecosystem the way it's supposed to be
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: with all animals. We're the only animal that opts out
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of like rejoining with all biological life, because it's supposed
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: to be a biological body deteriorates underground that feeds the
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: soil that feeds, you know, whatever animals feast on its bones,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: and then it becomes all part of this big, beautiful cycle.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And we're like, we've got some chemicals laying around. We'd
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: like to fill the veins up with and make them
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: completely poison so that they never deteriorate or they just
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: slowly turn into gelatinous sludge.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: By state looks like okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: So it says burial burial.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Why is that word weird to me? Right now?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Burial is regulated by state by state, city, county zoning.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: There's no federal rule that specifies body positionrizontal versus vertical.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: What are the laws in terms of embalming green or
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: natural burial, simple shroud, no vault, minimal disturbance is legal
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in all fifty states, but only in locations that comply
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: with state and local rules.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Green or natural.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Burial A big reason for that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, So you don't want people to rot, But
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: what about cows. Cows can rot, you know, like a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: dead coyote just rots eat people. Yeah, but does I
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: guess well it didn't know. I was watching this documentary
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: about this family where the kid his dad was a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: serial killer, and the dad would throw people in a
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: well and he had to help him. When he was young,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: his dad would kill people and then throw him down
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the well. First time he did it, he said. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: think he was a young boy when his dad first
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: took him to get rid of a body and throw
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: it down a well.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Not all. Yeah, how many bonding experiences are created equal?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: How many people have died drinking well water that was
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: polluted by a dead body? Hopefully not that many. Have
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you thought through your end of life? Do you have?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Have you told people I would like to not be embalmed.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I would like to just be buried in the ground
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and be absorbed naturally like everything else.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Do you have that written down? Anywhere though, No, I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't care. Once I'm gone, figure it out.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I don't go.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck. Well, there's an argument to help figuring it out
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: for those left behind, so it makes it easier.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make things easier when I'm gone.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I want them to be complicated as fuck. I want
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: them to be arguing over my will.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I only ask because we had to think through
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this stuff, because you do like a review of your
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: will every time. Yeah, and you know final requests. I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: guess it would be so you had to think through
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that dreamie top scull.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: So for direct cremation, no public viewing, cremation within a
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: few days, body kept refrigerated. Embalming is generally unnecessary and
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: not legally required in most states. But the thing is,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's most of the time it's done. According to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: my friend Joey, whose friend at least it was in
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: the past, his friend ran a funeral home. The guy
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: was telling him what a fucking scam it all is.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Just you're just charging people.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: For all this stuff. It probably it just like anything
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: else here here. It is.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Many funeral homes require embalming for presentation and public health reasons.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: If you want a public viewing or an open casket
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: before cremation.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, who does that?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Some jurisdictions or airlines may require embalming for long distance
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: or international transport, or if there's a long delay before commission.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Well that makes sense because if you don't embalm it,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: you're gonna stink up the whole fucking plane us loget.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you've smelled dead bodies before, but
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the first time I ever smelled a dead body, I
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: was a little kid and someone died in our apartment building.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: You'd walk down the hallway in the fucking smell that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: was It was me and my cousins and my sister
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: were walking down the hall we were like.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: What is that? We're probably like six.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: It was this insane smell. And it turned out this
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: lady was just living by herself died and so she
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was just rotting in this apartment building.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think you still recognize it to this day?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: It's very unique? Is it? Humans? A very unique smell
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: as opposed to a regular animal. Well, the mechanism of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: death can change, I guess a little bit sure, but
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in general, yeah, a couple of days later that they'll
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: kind of smell the same. I've heard.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard humans are uniquely gross in the way
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: we smell.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's not awesome. Yeah, not awesome to be
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  Speaker 1: So this embalming thing, so is that not the case? Like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: is it where.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Funeral homes request embalming before they cremate you. Also, here's
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: another scam, according to my friend, when you think you
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: get your family member ashes, you get a bunch of shit.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: You get a bunch of ashes. You get ashes from
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: some fucking fucking guy you don't even know. They don't care.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: They just shove a bunch of ashes into an urn.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: You're like, it's Grandma, She's she's here with us forever.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: But it's not really. It's like, I hope that one's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: not true. That's gnarly. Yes, it's like the epitome of laziness.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's true.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Of the question as though, if the requirement is coming
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: from funeral homes instead of law, and.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: That course most of the time, yes, the requirement to
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: embalm before viewing or before cremation is coming from funeral
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: or cemetery policy. Right, So they're trying to make more money.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So this is what Joey was telling me about. Yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: so it's not a federal requirement. FDC says embalming maybe
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: necessary if you choose certain arrangements like a public viewing,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: but the necessity is based on the funeral home standard.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: It's not a blanket legal mandate.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: So the most people probably don't know that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: So the funeral home will tell you, oh, we have
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: to embalm them first.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And you're in a pretty susceptible and malleable mind space
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: exactly that time.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Yea.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: And they're just really used to it. They're really used
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: They must get they must get so accustomed to just
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: they don't give a fuck. There's bodies there every day,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: people are always dying. It just it's an opportunity to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: make more money, which is rough.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would like to think that humanity wouldn't be
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: like that, but yet here we are.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, find out if well. The other thing is like
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you remember that Sam Kinnison bit. I don't know if
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: you ever saw it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I know I'm not very familiar with his bits.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest of all time, but he had
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: this bit about homosexual necrophiliacs who were caught spending paying
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money to be alone with the freshest
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: male corpse.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And it was this bit. It was an actual true
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: story that he read in the news.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: But his whole thing was like, imagine you're on the slab.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: You're like, well, I'm dead now I'm gonna be with
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Jesus and hey, hey what And he would be like
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: rocking back and forth on a stomach.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: What is this? It feels like some guy's got his
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: dick in my ass. You mean, life keeps fucking you
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: in the ass even after you're dead. It never ends,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It never ends out. Wow, you comedians are a unique bunch.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Let's you know. I'm glad I just got to do it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm glad there's somebody out there who can weave a
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: story like that together and have a meaningful message at
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the end of it.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But there are there have been cases of people getting
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: like hot girls that are freshly dead and fucking them
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: getting caught.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because humans are horrible. I try to tell myself
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: that the vast majority of humans are trying to do
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the best that they can't, but I never forget that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: there are people out there who are like that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, there's people out there that are gross. They're
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: just evil. I was reading about this guy who was
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: an oncologist who got arrested because he was giving people
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer. Because chemotherapy is uniquely
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: profitable for doctors. Yeah, it's very profitable. So he was
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: telling people that they had cancer and they did not,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: and he was giving them chemotherapy, which I have a
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: friend who died recently, and he went through the first
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: round of chemotherapy, went into remission, and the chemotherapy was
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: so bad that when the cancer came back, he decided
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: to just die.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: It's how my mom did. She had survived cervical cancer,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it fantastasized into her lungs ten years later, got on
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the chemo, which I don't know what is in that stuff,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: but they you know, the platinum treatment, whatever it may be,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and had the that she was either going to die
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: from cancer or she was going to die from the chemotherapy,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: and she chose hospice just because the ride on the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: chemo therapy was so horrible that she couldn't take it anymore.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: My friend said that the pain of brushing his teeth
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: was so intense, like the sores in his mouth from
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: the chemo and that once cancer went into remission and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: then it came back. And by the way, this cancer
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: came very quickly after vaccination.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: It was one of those where.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you can get into that all day long
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: if you want to really get into a deep conspiracy
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: theory that's got some real facts to it. But there's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: something called SV forty and they found SV forty and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: some of the mRNA vaccines. SV fourty is Semian virus
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: forty and it's a virus that was contracted that people
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: got because they used kidney cells from monkeys in order
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: to cultivate these vaccines. It was like known about for
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: a long time, and in certain batches they've tested positive
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: for SV forty, which is like some just legacy material
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: that they have that they make vaccines out of. And
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: he was one of the lucky ones.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Sucks Man.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: There was a young dude, you know, he was in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: his forties, early forties, fit, young guy. Cancer came on
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: like a fucking title way, just.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: A freight train smote him down. How much time did
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: he have between diagnosis?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I got him connected with Gary Breca, and Gary
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Breca helped him quite a bit and that's how he
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: originally got through it, and it got over it, he
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: was okay again and you know, went into remission. He said,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: he's feeling pretty good. And then man wasn't more than
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: a year and a half. Two years later, it came
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: back with a vengeance and he was dead just you know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: six months later.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Does it change how you view life, your own life
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: when that happens close to you.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: It's just shocking that healthy, fit people get something like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that and it happens so quickly. You know, this is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, my suspicions as it's connected
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to the vaccine, and don't I don't think that everybody
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: who got that mRNA vaccine is going to die of cancer.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: That's I think it's a contamination issue that some of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the batches had it and some of the batches didn't.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: But and then some people react very differently to whatever
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: whatever's in it. But with him, Man, it got him,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: and it's not uncommon. There's there's a shitload of ignored
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: cases of what they're calling turbo cancer that people have
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: gotten after the mRNA vaccine. Like it's it's barely a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. It's more likely an ignored inconvenient fact that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: these pharmaceutical drug companies are trying to ignore.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think they were trying going upstream from that,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: to find what perhaps they thought would be the fix
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to the solution. Do you think that they were doing
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the best that they could and just their enthusiasm outstrip
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: their capabilities, or they pushed stuff a little bit too early,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: or was it as deep of as a conspiracy that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: people think and that behind the scenes they're trying to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: reduce overall global population.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I don't go that way. I don't go to the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: reduce overall global population, but I do understand why people
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: would think that because there are there have been a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that are supposedly philanthropists, Bill Grads that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: have talked about reducing overall population being a goal and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: that goal could be like Bill Gates was actually quoted
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: saying that that goal could be achieved through vaccines. Like
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: what the fuck does that mean? Reducing global population through vaccines?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: How? Well, one way is the what is it DDP
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: or DTP.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Vaccine the area something and percussis. So they were caught
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: in Africa one of the vaccines that they were using
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: on women in Africa turned out its tetanus, right, diphtheria, tetanus,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: and percussis had hCG in it, which is an endocrine disruptor.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's the exact specific description of it,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: but what is essentially doing was rendering these women infertile.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: And so they were supposedly vaccinating them for tetanus and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: these other diseases, but really what it was doing was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: they were making these women infertile, and they were experimenting
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: on them. And they were doing this in Africa. You know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: they like to experiment in places where not a lot
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: of people are watching, and there's not a lot of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: infrastructure and not a lot of internet connection, and they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: can you know, get away with tryings UF on people.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: So this this concept of reducing population through vaccination, there's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: some real world examples of people doing that. But you
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: know why, I don't know. I don't think that. I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: think if you find out about how much money was
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: generated during the vaccine pandemic, during the COVID pandemic, yeah,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that is the most likely scenario. They were just trying
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: to make an enormous amount of money do.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: You remember that you and I did the first podcast
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: after the lockdown in La. Yeah, and then I drove.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I drove with my wife down to San Diego, and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think she had been because we got to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: San Diego in about seventeen minutes.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: There's no one on the road.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And I remember saying to her if we come back,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: which we will, don't expect this. It was like a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: ghost town. But we were in La the day that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: a lockdown. I remember texting you like are we good? Like, yeah,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: YouTube says we're essential. Let's rolls.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. There was essential businesses that were allowed
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: to stay open. Restaurants weren't one of them, fucking insanely enough,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: but fast.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Food places were.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: So there was certain places that was essential, and media
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: was essential, so we were allowed to although we did
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: get ratted out. The health department came to our La
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: studio and they made us put a bag of masks
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: on the wall when you go in, and also a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: note it shows like all the precautions that you have
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: to take place, like stand six feet apart, and then
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: people are also complaining that this table's not six feet wide,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and so we weren't observing the proper, proper social distancing.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: So I said, okay, well, why don't we just do
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: this and you do that and we'll do a podcast. Yeah,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: we're six feet now.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: We're six feet now. We're good here. It's like it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: And that turns out that that was all made up.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: It was all horseshit. You know, it's the Who song.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: We won't get fooled again, you know.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I want to believe that they were trying to do
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: the best that. I don't believe that, I said, I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: want to believe. Yeah, no, I don't even want to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: believe that. But then what do we do about it?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: We never listened again? What if they're right the next time?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they will be.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're ever right with that kind of stuff,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: especially something that's not killing everybody as they said it was.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: They were just gaslighting us all over television that people
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: are dropping like flies, and especially egregiously disgusting. Is gaslighting
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: us about children dying from it?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And there's a lot.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Of really fucking shitty human beings that were posting about
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: this on Twitter. And I don't know if they are
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: being paid to do it or if they're just ideologically captured.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: But there was a lot of people on Twitter talking
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: about children dying from COVID. It's a fucking dirty lie.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: There was a very small amount of kids that died
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: during the pandemic, and those kids, all of them had
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: something wrong with them already. All of them had comorbidities,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: which is like also a giant percentage of all the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: people that died period.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's like, what is the number. It's like seventy five
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: percent of them something like that.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Have four plus co morbidities. Four comorbidities is crazy. It's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: like you're already fucked. That's means four things that are
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: already killing.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: You, you know. Yeah. Do you think we learned anything
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: during that time period? Yeah?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I think we learned that the pharmaceutical drug company has
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: a lock on the media that is very disturbing. Like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: the media did not report at all vaccine injuries. They
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: didn't report of it at all. It was never discussed.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: People were dropping dead, they were ignoring it and gaslighting.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And then we also found out the amount of money
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: that these pharmaceutical drug companies pay to these corporations. But
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: whether it's Fox or NBC or CBS or whoever it is,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: in advertising. It's a huge part of their budget is
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: advertising money. And the way CALLI Means explained it to me,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: he goes, it's not so that people find out about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the drugs, it's so that these news stations don't criticize
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical drug company.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Well if they ConTroll the ad inventory and then the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: checkbook behind that. Exactly, yeah, exactly do you ever do?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do pharmaceutical type reads for your show? No, no,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I say no to them. I only say yes to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Dick pills, Dick pills. I'll say yes to like yes,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: get hard. Yeah, I'm down with that.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Well, see, I'm not anti pharmaceutical drug company, but I am.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: And the problem with corporations is they have an obligation
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to their shareholders to make the most amount of money possible.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: And it's not the people that are making these things.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: That the people that are making them, these doctors and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: engineers and scientists, all these wizards that are coming up
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: with all these life saving medications. Then you get the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: money people, and the money people are the ones that
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: fuck everything up because the money people say, you know what,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: we could charge one thousand dollars a.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Pill for this stuff.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: You know, there's certain medications that literally cost one thousand
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: dollars a pill, you know, and they just try to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: make the most amount of money possible and prescribe it
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: to him most amount of people possible. And then you
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: get monsters like this cancer doctor that I was telling
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: you that was giving chemotherapy to people that don't fucking
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: have cancer.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: So how do we break that system? Though? Hammers?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Take that guy in a room. Take that guy in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: a room, just keep him alive, Slowly break him down
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: with a hammer, start with his toes.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: But I feel like his hips. I feel like it's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: so deeply entrenched in our political system as part of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: it as well too, that the money transferred. How do
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you break that and detach that? Ai God?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Ai God has to come alive, take over the system.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Now we're really getting into terrain. I don't understand. I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: know what the word ai means. I don't know.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, God, the one that created that Jesus meme
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that Trump just posted, that's Ai God.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Joe I told you if he explained it, he was
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a doctor. That's what they call them, that's what Ai
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: God calls Jesus. Jesus is a doctor. The mental gymnastics
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: involved and some of these people who are so ideologically captured. Yeah,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: is shocking to me. It's weird. It's weird because there's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: no way there should.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Be this kind of money in politics. There's no way
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: it'd be good for anybody. If the people with all
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the money are controlling most of the things that happen,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense because they're just they're all
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: sick anyway. They just want more. If you're worth two
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars and you're still trying to make more money,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: that's what you're trying to do it with your time, Well,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: you're sick. There's something wrong with you. There's like, what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: are you doing with that money? How is it possible
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: that you could spend all that money?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Isn't the answer for some people? Or the dollar figure
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: that they're shooting for? Just more though?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Always my friend, well, you know, Brian Collen, Brian Callen
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: has a friend who's worth three billion dollars and he
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: feels poor because his friend is worth eighty billion.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Imagine that, Imagine feeling insecure. You have three thousand million
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: dollars and you feel secure, you feel poor? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: because he's eating ramed at night. Let me just tell yeah,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Mac and Cheese and Raminau of the my wave.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I feel poor when I'm around Elon.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but jokingly, but also everybody on earth probably right,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: but it's jokingly feel poor, like I don't really feel
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: bad for myself or insecure about the fact that he's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: got it. What does he got He's getting close to
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: a trillion, He's like worth eight hundred billion on paper. Yeah,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: until California taxes get ahold of them. They'd like to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: suck all that dry and give it to the homeless people. Well,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: they're doing good. Their program would work if we gave
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: them a little bit more money. That's all they need.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: They just need that wealth tax.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: If they could just siphon off some money from the billionaires,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: that's the real problems. They don't have enough money.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Are you glad you left? Fuck? Yeah? Fuck? Yeah? You've
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: been here? What six years? Six years? Yeah, been almost
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: six years. Been in Montana from nine. Nice. I can't
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: think of a reason that I'm going to leave. Yeah,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I really can't. It is amazing.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Well, Montana's got so much going on for it. First
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: of all, there's less people, which is relaxing.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: You feel better one point one million people in the state.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: That's all of Austin. That's probably a subdivision in Austin.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Well it's Austin is.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: A million, and then the surrounding area is another million.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: We just had a furt a net decrease in population
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Montana last year.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters in.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: COVID They're like, yeah, this sucks, we're out. Or that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: remote work job is like, hey, time to come back
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: to the old office.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Also, you tried driving an electric car when it's fucking
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: thirty below zero outside. That bitch is oh, it says
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: you got two hundred miles. Guess what you got thirty?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: There is one cyber truss where I live. It's not mine.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I bet it's a rich guy. He owns a ty
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: food restaurant there you go, which I mean, I don't
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: know what level of wealth associated with you. You got
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: some money, yeah, honestly, it might be money laundering. Those
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: what he specializes in. It's hard to say. So might
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: have a nail salon or two under his umbrella.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Great when it's warm out, Yeah, but they the battery
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: life significantly.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Do you remember.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: I think it was Chicago or Detroit. There was a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: few years back to was a giant blizzard that hit
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: and people with electric cars, their cars died on the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: highway and they were remember, yeah, really fucked. Because look,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: if you have full tank of gas and you're idling,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: just idling on the highway.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Last pretty long time, especially if it's diesel geez oh,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: you'll get twenty four hours out of yeah, so you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: will survive.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: If you have a fucking electric car and you get
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: stuck on the highway and it's just bumper to bumper
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: forever and that thing is the only thing keeping you warm,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: you better pray that someone lets you in their car, yep,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna die out there. You'll freeze to death
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: in your own fucking car.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I like the concept of them, you know, I drove
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: one today.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: There it's a time machine. I have a Tesla Model S, the.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: The highly don't you have like a highly modified one?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Tho I was gonna say Model S on the outside?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the speed is the same as the standard one.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: The speed is exactly the same because they don't do
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: anything to the engine because it already has eleven hundred
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: horse power like widen yours. Yes, it's the track is widened.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: It's got a much more robust suspension set up. It's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: got carbon fiber fenders. Is a company called Unplugged Performance,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: and they take it and they just it just handles
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: phenomenally and it breaks are way better. So it does that.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: But the thing about it is the speed that's just insane.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Like when you merge onto a highway it's a time machine.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: You just hit the gas like shot and it's no sound,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: so it's and all of a sudden you're going ninety
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: miles an hour like like that.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: It's nuts. We're into different things, Joe, I'm gonna stick
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: with my I Phone fifty. I like those too. I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: have one of those. I have a Raptor. I have
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: a Hennessy Raptor. I don't have that model. Yeah, so
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I like a Raptor, but I like one with a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: thousand horsepower. First off, who doesn't. I just don't like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the price tag associated with a thousand horsepower one. It's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: a little pricey.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: But I was on the phone the other day because
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: you know, it's got the speakerphone thing.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm on the phone. My friend Tommy and I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and he goes, Yo, what the fuck are you driving
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a dinosaur? You can hear them.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: And the supercharger wine. It's awesome, But I get it,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: it's not for everybody. But if you drive one, just
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: the ability of those things, just the the insane capability,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: the ability to go zero to sixteen under two seconds
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: is just nuts. For a four door Sinnan you know
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: how to.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Drive, though, Yeah, some people probably are better off not
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: getting into a car they can do that.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what's weird, right, So, like if you want,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: like say, if you want to get a concealed carry license,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: you have to go to a range and you have
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun correctly.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about here in Texas? Yeah, and Yas
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Montana is a constitutional carry.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: It's constitutional carrier here as well, but still concealed carry
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: you get reciprocity. So if you have concealed carry, you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: get reciprocity in Florida and Nevada. So if you get
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: a concealed carry license in Texas, you can go to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: places where you know they're only maybe they don't even
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: have concealed they don't have constitutional carry, but they recognize
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Texas concealed Carrier.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Because of the additional Yeah, training exactly.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: But the point is, like you have to show that
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: you know how to use it. You can go buy
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: a Corvette and you don't have to show anything, which
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to show a likelihood that you're able
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to pay for it. That's it. That's it.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So you can get like a Corvette ZR one,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: which is also eleven hundred horse power and fucking bonkers,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: a bonkers fast, insanely engineered car. You don't have to
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: show that you know how to drive at all. You
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: just have a driver's license, so you can.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Right into the nearest telephone pole sideways.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of plenty of videos of that.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: A friend, my friend Whitney, sent me a video of
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: a street takeover in Los Angeles this Saturday night where
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: they took over some street and gunshots and people just
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: they stopped. They cut off the entire street so no
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: one can go anywhere. People surround these cars and the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: cars drive around in circles. Yeah, and then someone started
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: shooting at people.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Awesome, what a classic pairing. Yeah, pit times, it's good rules. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: they're not doing that at Montana exactly exactly.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: You have to have an enormous amount of people in
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: order for things to get that chaotic with a very
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: small percentage of humans.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Were there cops there for that or they just didn't
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: want to get in the mix.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: They didn't show up until after you know, the cops
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: showed up when you know people start shooting.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's generally when they're going to respond. They're getting
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: security cameras.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: But the thing is Los Angeles they don't fucking put
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: you in jail for anything. They let you write out.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: There's no cash bail. They're letting people out.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: For all kinds of crimes. Yeah.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast where guy was a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: former gang member and he was saying he's leaving Los
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Angeles because they're letting seventy thousand people out of prison.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: It's like it's going to get too dangerous.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: So it was too dangerous for the gang member. There's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the answer is to some tests right there, maybe pay attention.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you want you gotta wonder, like what are they
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: trying to do with California where everything seems to go
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. Like if you if you look
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: at the vaccine thing, like, do you think they're really
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: trying to lower population? Is that what they're trying to do?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Like kill off a percent? What are they trying to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: do with California? Are they really trying to destroy the state?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Because if I was trying to destroy a state, that's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: how I would do it. I'd let everybody out of jail.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I'd regulate the fuck out of everything so nothing can
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: get done. You know you can't buy these in California.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Why these are alps because they're flavored. This is winter Green.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Tucker Carlson, this is his brand. I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: like these, these are very delicious. We by the way,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: I showed these to Daniel Cormier. He goes, where'd you
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: get those? And I go, in Texas, you could buy them.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: He goes, you know, you can't buy them in California.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: And he goes, I get them and I bring them
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: around all these dads like like I'm a dealer.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Like, where'd you get that?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Because they won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: It's illegal gol in California. It's for your safety. They're
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: trying to turn.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: You into just a little baby that needs everything from
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Everything everything. We were at that launch party. Somehow I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: got an invitation to be there. So we go to Tennessee.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Tucker's stands on a chair and talks about alp you know,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: a chair, Yeah, because it was just like it was
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: in Dave Ramsey's barn. And again, like, I'm so far
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: not in the.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Social circle of this, and so we think he should
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: have sat on someone's shoulders.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: That would be even better. He's pretty big, so you
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: needed somebody who like has squatted once or twice in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: their life. So we listened to him talk and they
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: had a little like on the other room as a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: huge fireplace was just this like a charcuterie table about
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: this size. So I'm getting some cheese and then I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: turned around, I'm like, hello, Mel Gibson, and they just
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: fucking went and sat in the corner. I was so
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable in that environment because Mel was there, there was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people there. I just you know, you've
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: sat down and talked with him. You you exist in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: a different orbit that I do. I exist in an
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: orbit of one point one million total people that I
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: don't see every day in the state. In the state,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: so like I interact with the people I want to.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: turn around and see the dude from lethal weapons standing there, like, Hi,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: By the way, if you talk to him, he's he
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: is one of the most normal, easy to talk to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: movie stars you will ever meet. Yeah, he has no
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: heirs bottom, He's very easy to talk to.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I just don't do good in social situations like that,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: where like everybody was relatively recognizable. I just got to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: sit in the corner and I hang out with my
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: wife and we eat CHARCUTERI. I get it. I get it.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: I don't like those things, either believe it or not. Well,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: I have, I have been.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the event you did in performance archery
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: in San Diego? Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize. I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and it took you about thirty minutes to go twenty feet.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how you deal with that. I don't.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: That's I mean one, I know you well enough outside
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: of that, Like you're genuinely a nice person and you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: will give people the time, like because you're appreciative right
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: of the fact that they want to meet you, like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I totally get that, but also sometimes you have to piss. Yeah,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how any of those people
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: or maybe you don't operate in like in a sense
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: in air quotes of normalcy, it's not normal. But the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: way I think of it as like they just like me.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: It's way better than if they hated me. Way better
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: than if you go into the bathroom and everybody wants
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: to kick your ass, like I'm going to the bathroom.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: They just want to say hi. And for them it's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: a very unique moment. So I try to reset every
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: time I see a new person, and I try to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: treat them as if it's like this is a composit
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: for them, it's a unique experience they get to meet
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and never believe that I am unique, you know, don't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: believe the hype and don't think you are special, but
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: always appreciate the fact that someone else does, and so
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: take the time to say hi.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: The UFC's are hard because I can't. Like, sometimes I'm
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: going through the crowd and I have to like sometimes
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: I'll leave my commentary seat and then I have to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: take a piss and then I have to run back
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: and then everybody's trying to get a picture while you're
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, like you're literally going through a crowd of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: each in between bounces yea yeah, And so I got
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: my high five people. But they're like, I can't, I can't,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't stop because if I stop then
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: they'll all swarm, and I guess I can't do that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I have to keep moving.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: So that bothers me that I have to say I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: can't stop, even when I'm leaving the venue, like I can't,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I have to keep moving.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I appreciate you, but I can't stop because
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: if I stop, I'll never get out of here.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I've been to one of those, and we were at
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: UFC three hundred. That was a good one. It was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: your seat was good, you had a good seat. I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: watched the fight from the back of a projection onto
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: one of the things up in one of the.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Well you didn't get tickets for me, I'm never gonna
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: ask you for tickets.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Will just fucking let me know you want to go? Well, no,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: actually I don't want to go because I missed listening
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: to you guys talk. I didn't realize. So we were
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: sitting there like I heard Gaechee get flatlined before we
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: saw it, and like, holy cow, you want to talk
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: about not let the punch, but the reaction to that, right,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, insane. But there were so many people
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and we were there with like Jocko and Origin, and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: there had some people that were down there a lot.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: But we ended up Lee and I ended up watching
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: from like the back, so we got to see it.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: But we both said the same thing. It's way better
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: on the couch or I want to pair of headsets
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: like this so I can live because now, like maybe honest,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: before I started training jiu jitsu, I was like, you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: fucking stand them up right now, those guys are just.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Well now as a jiu jitsu black belt, aren't you embarrassed?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: You don't let that guy earn that position. You don't
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: ever get them off the cage, and you never get
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: them off the ground. I'm with you.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I've been preaching that from the beginning of the fut.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Would have been the dude with like the redneck guzzler
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: coup's light half covered and you're like, welcome up, because
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: it'd like and now I'm like no, no, no, never,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: especially when they're sweaty. If that guy's dominating him, you
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: stay right there exactly.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to get someone to the ground and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: it's so hard to hold him down if they're good.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: The experience, though from not good. I am going to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: say this, I would rather pay for the paramount than listen,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: or for the pay per view than the current paramount experience.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry Dana, but the commercials suck. Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of commercials. That's why I like
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: YouTube premium. I don't want commercials.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, i'll pay, I'll pay for the pay per view.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: They should offer paramount premium like where you get no commercials,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Like you should get a different experience.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: There's been some streaming issues as well too, and I
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: think that and I know the yeah it's there's well, it.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: Could also be the Montana Internet.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Listen. We have electricity, we have running water. We I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: have actually seen solar panels up in Montana. They don't
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: work great for nine months out of the year.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: But do you get the starlink, Yeah, that's the ship.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I was actually one of the first people to get
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: it in Montana and it works fantastic. I have the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: little one that's like a book it's amazing. It's fucking great.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: You just take it. I took it to Utah. We
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: were streaming like stuff while we're in the cabins. It
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: was awesome. It's kind of life changing. I sometimes with people,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: but then other times like I'm gonna leave that in
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: the truck because otherwise maybe I'm just gonna enjoy work.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: But you know the thing about elk hunting is you're
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: so tired by the end of the day that you're
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: not gonna sit there looking at your phone anyway. But
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: it's nice to be able to FaceTime home and say
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: hi to people. But I do like the fact that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: when you're out there in the woods, it doesn't work
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is uh god, I hate hunting sometimes
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: like last year, do you strike out last year? Oh no,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: even worse wounded an elk? Oh? No, I think I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: text you, Oh yeah, that's with a rifle. Yeah. Well,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: I tell people that I am the Navy Seale sniper
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: with the most confirmed missus because I can just smash
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: that trigger back, close your eyes, hold your breath, let
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: it gray out a little bit, and then really just
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: jerk it. Ah.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: That's the worst feeling when you know you could have
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: done it so much better if you just had taken
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: a little bit more time.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: It would have been hard for me to do it worse, Joe,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: If I'm benissed people, how could you possibly miss? Because
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: I'm an idiot sometimes and I'm just God. As I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: was pulling on the trigger, I was watching it just
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: drift back towards the beginning of the guts, and instead
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: of just stopping, just gave a little bit more and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: then never saw the thing look forward for two and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: a half days. Is there a worse feeling in the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: world than wounding an animals? And it's also like a
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: miss like that, you have to wait a year to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: get another chance. You have a whole another year to
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: sit about and think about that miss before you get
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: back to hunting again. This year, I think I might
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: be able to go back to archery, because although they
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: call jiu jitsu the gentle art, I get banged up sometimes.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Oh bro, I was rifle hunting that year. I was
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: training with a fifteen year old young man at the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: end of a day of training with some savage black belts. Totally,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: And you know how when you say when you first
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: start like hey, you need to relax. Well. I also
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: found that you can relax too much. I was layd
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: on my side, let him work on an arm bar
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: got ahold of my arm. I was going to work
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: on an escape and as my arm was coming up
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: over my head, I heard my shoulder cavitate. It was
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: like and of course on my drawing arm for my boat.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: And we were a couple months away from hunting season.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Felt to go partial terror of the pack, completely black
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: and blue. It was the gentle art.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in general at jiu jitsu. Yeah, it's ridiculous
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: to call it that. I don't know who what psychopath
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: called it the gentle art. I've been hurt more time.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Everybody I know that's done jiu jitsu as long as
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: I have has like either artificial discs near back and neck,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: or has had multiple knee surgeries.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: That's me.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: I've had three, or has had torn shoulders where they
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: had to get reconstructed, or blown out elbows.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you still training? No, havn't in a while.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I want to, though. Yeah. I did a little bit.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Of training about a year ago with Gabe Total and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: I was getting back into it, but I'd still struggle with.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: This one knee. I have one knee that keeps fucking
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: up on me. Man, For you, it would be very
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: hard to find the appropriate training partner. Yes, Like you're
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: never going to a group class again and getting in
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: there at open mat people would come for your head
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: because they're assholes. Yeah, but I always did. That's what
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I always did.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: I never I always trained, and I didn't just like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: only trained with like one guy that like stuck with
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: all the time. I always went to classes. Yeah, because
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's the only way to really be good.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a real way to train with
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: one person that's like taking it easy on you and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: really achieve a high level. I think you have to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: go in there with people that are going to tap you,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: and you have to go in there with people that
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: are trying to tap you. You know, and you know,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: if you're good and if you're strong, you could avoid
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit. But you know, you get in
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: there with some fucking twenty five year old wrestler who
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: weighs two hundred and ten pounds.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: It's a bill like a superhero. It so moves at
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: a speed that your joints and ligaments can't move at
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: just like I can't keep up. You're on my back.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: I can't keep up with this this is and if
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I do keep up, I'm gonna blow something out.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Since I founded it forty one, I don't think we
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: should teach it to anybody under thirty because it deeply
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: offends me. When children in the children's class and they've
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: been training like six times longer than I'm like, what
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: like their movement patterns were developed on the mat, I'm like,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: I know we're using the same alphabet.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: We are not putting together the same words. Well, I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: knew that from striking, because I knew that from kicking.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, I started martial arts before my body
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: had matured, and my body matured, becoming very flexible and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: very fast, and so as I got thicker, I maintained
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: that speed and everything. But I was like, I don't
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: know if you could ever get as good as I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: got if you didn't start when I started, I don't
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: know if it's possible. And I didn't start jiu jitsu
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: twel I was thirty, and when I started doing jiu jitsu,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, God, I.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Wish I did this when I was a kid.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: YEP, because I see some kids where their fucking scrambles
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: and their transitions like built into their neurons where they're
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: just like everything is so fast and so kinetic and
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: they're just moving and flowing Like fuck.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: I could have started in like ninety seven, but the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: few people who were doing were so enthusiastic it just
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: nauseated me. Like it's like veganism. Yeah, like they make
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you what eat me, come roll with us. I'm like,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are doing. It's very
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: questionably gay at best from the outside. I don't like
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: how much you like it. Because you like it that much,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm out And then.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I look back, I'm like, oh, I started in ninety six. Yeah,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: not me, I guess I think. Yeah, it was ninety
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: five or ninety six. It was right after UFC two
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: came out on video, So UFC two was ninety three.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Was the UFC.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: I found out about UFC and like, I didn't find
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: out about it in ninety three. I found out about
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: a year later and it wasn't available now, UFC one
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: was not available on VHS. I had to get UFC two,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: and I found out about it from somebody at the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: kickboxing gym.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: That I was going to. He was like, you got
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: to see this, and I was like, what is this.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, they did it.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Because there was always this thing when I was a
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: martial artist, when I was young, like what's better judo
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: karate and no one knew. And then there was like
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: the Jean Kaud van dam Kumuite movies where you meet
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: and all the styles come together and you find out
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: what's best. But when I first saw UFC two, I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: was like, oh.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: My god, they did it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh my god, I don't
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: know that this one guy's killing everybody.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: A lot of people that were saying that in those ones,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. So then what number UFC? Did you
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: first commentate? At UFC twelve? Damn dude, that's a pretty
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: quick well, they probably were doing less frequently as well,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: but that's a pretty quick flash to band. Yeah, I've
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: seen it on a VHS now.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: That was ninety seven. So by ninety seven, I guess
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I was thirty. Yeah, okay, so thirty somewhere around there.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: So that was the first UFC. I was already training
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: at that time. I was training at Carlson Gracie's with
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Vitor Belfert. Vitor Belfert was there, Marilla Bustamante was there,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: like like it was amazing, just stumbled upon that place.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: I actually went to Hickson's first, but I was so ignorant.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I thought Carlson, Gracy, Hicks and Gracie. I thought it
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: was the same, and Hickson was further away and Carlson's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: was closer. I was like, oh, I found a closer
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Gracie jiu jitsu, I'll go here. And then it was
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: also at the time where extreme fighting was out, which
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: was John Peretti, who was one of the commentators for
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: the early UFC was now doing this and it was
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: really good, like Mario Sperry was fighting Igor Zanoviev and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: these guys. A lot of these guys were from Carlson Gracie's.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: So I saw the Carlston Gracie the two bulldog logos,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: which is fucking dope. And then I found out that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: it was on Hawthorne Street in LA which is like
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: really close to the comedy Store. I was like, oh,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: this is perfect. Because I was living in North Hollywood.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I would just drive there.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: It was much close.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: It was much closer, but I just I got there
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: at literally the perfect time, because it was right before
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: vtor was making his UC debut, which was USC twelve,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: which I commentated at. So I was literally training at
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: the same school as Vtors. I knew what to expect.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, these.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Guys don't know what the fuck this guy's doing, Like
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: this is this is because everybody thought he was just
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu guy. And meanwhile he had lightning hands and
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it was a slimmer v toy.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: It was only like two.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Hundred pounds back then, just moved like a fucking panther.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: And I got to see this sport just sort of
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: emerging where really it was becoming something completely different. Like
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: at first it was just a bunch of people that
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: didn't know anything, and you know, there was or they
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: didn't know anything about mixed martial arts. They either know
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: judo or they no kora. And then there was Hoys,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: and Hoys is just tapping everybody and everybody's like, oh
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: my god, jiu jitsu is the way. And then when
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: I went to Carlson's, I was like, jiu jitsu.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Is kind of the way, but look at this guy,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: like you got to take that guy to the ground
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: and that guy's hands are like a fucking professional boxers.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: This is crazy. Yeah, jiu jitsu is awesome, it's not complete. No,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: you can have a nice black belt and end up
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: in an ambulance if you can't get through a striking range.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, there's a lot of guys that
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: were really reliant upon the gee back then, unfortunately, because
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: this is all you got to realize, this is all
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: before Abu Dhabi, right, So this is before Abu Dhabi
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Combat Club came out, which was an amazing organization that
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: paid real money to grapplers to compete, but made them
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: compete without a gee, which was like for a lot
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: of guys, they didn't know what to do. They're so
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: used to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars and grabbing pants.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: And the one guy who had figured it out was
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: my eventual instructor, Jean Jaques Maachado. Because j Jack was
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: born with essentially one hand. His left hand is just
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: a thumb. He just says a thumb. He had a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: birth defect, and because of that, his game was all
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: over hooks and underhooks and gable grips, which was he
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't relying on callers.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: And all this other stuff. So his game was very different.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: He just dominated in n Abu Dhabi and that opened
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: up the door to Eddie Bravo. So Eddie Bravo.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: He learned a lot of his techniques from John Jacques
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: as well, and a lot of his style was based
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: around John Jock's principles, which is, don't rely on the
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: gi because you don't always have the g It's a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: good tool to use if you have it. If you're
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: fighting a guy who's got a winter coat on, it's awesome. Like,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: the last thing you want to do is fight a
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: judo guy if you're wearing a winter coat.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So not optimal for how your head's going to feel
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: when it hits the concrete.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: And you ain't gonna be able to do shit to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: stop that.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: I remember I asked you early on. I think we
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: had linked up when I was it was actually it
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: was right at the beginning of COVID. I was a
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: white belt, and I asked you how you train and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: manage stuff, and you gave me a piece of advice
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that I still have, I still utilize, and you said,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: whether you have a gion or don't have a ge on,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: just focus on taking no ge grips, son of a bitch.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I always did.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: The only gee technique that I really love is the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: clock choke. You know when you get a deep grip
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: on the collar and you funnel that left arm underneath
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: and spin. Oh my god, that's instant death.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: That the cross collar that's available for more areas, Oh
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: for sure, pop that head right off. Just cross callers, nasty.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of great, great gee techniques that are
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: super effective if someone's wearing clothes.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Amazed at how how durable T shirts are. You know,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: you could really choke the fuck out of someone with
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: his shirt.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Henner has a video where he'll get the first hand
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: in he's got him in clothes guard. He reaches over
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: and he grabs the bottom of the shirt, pulls it
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: all the way up and then wraps that around him. Yeah.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: It's got to feel like a yeah, just horrible.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, horrible, And especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: like a flannel shirt or something like that, something to
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: really grab.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was John Jacques's style. His style was
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: use no gi grips, even with the ge, So for me,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: it made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: pull out of things as easily. But I never felt
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: lost going into no ge, So I would go back
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: and forth all the time. So, you know, I got
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: my black belt from Eddie first, but I got my
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: black belt from Jean Jacques right after that because I
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: was training at both places. That was also a beautiful
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: thing about Eddie being Jean Jaquess student and then having
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: a very close relationship. It never felt like you were
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: a trader that you left schools because I never really
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: left schools. I trained at both places. I always trained
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: at John Jacks and I always trained at Eddie's.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: You weren't to Yeah, is that what they call it? Yeah?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was it was that was very nice
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: that they had that amazing relationship where there was no
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: static at all. It was like I would go to
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: see Jean Jacques, I'd go train there a couple days
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: a week. I'd train it Eddies a couple days a week.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: It was awesome. Yeah. If I had a time machine,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: and if my younger self would listen to me, which
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would, I would say two things.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: One by bitcoin obviously, and two maybe get into you
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit earlier.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you which you did was pretty
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: impressive because you got through it very quickly. Like I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: remember you first started training, and you know you got
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: a black belt in like what four years, five years,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: five and a half. That's amazing, that's quick.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it depends on how you view the time.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: So I think the standard ten year window is usually
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: somebody trains about an hour a day or two hours
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: a day twice a week. I had the ability where
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I was living, I could train ten times a week
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: as long as I went to right. So the maths
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: still maths at the end of the day.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Right, But that's still very hard on the body. At
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: forty years old, it's very hard.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: On the body. Vitamin and I also know as ibuprofen
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: comes into the training model that shit's terrible for you. Yeah,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: but it makes you feel better.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: So bad for you though, all sad for your gut.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I will say this one thing about my previous job
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: is it teaches you how to learn. It rewards it
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: rewards your ability to be coachable, be coachable, and people
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: ask me, you know, how do how are you? How
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: can you be a good student? Just in general, like, listen,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: how about this, do what your instructor says, and nothing more. Right,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: if they say put your hand here, and you ask them,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: do you mean always put it there and they say, yes,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: just put your hand there. Yeah, if you want to.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: And you know people, there's the internet. It's an amazing thing, right,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of ability to go out and
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: look for techniques and stuff. But I can't think of
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: anything more disrespectful to a coach to be told something
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: and then you are offering them something that you saw
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: on Instagram while they're trying to teach you. Like, that's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: how that relationship is going to end up breaking. If
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you really want to accelerate your learning, focus and honor
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: your coach, actually focus on what they are trying to
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: tell you to do. Do only that and know more
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: until you have that mastered and then you can move
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: on top of that.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's great advice. Yeah, you have to just listen.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: You have to listen and never question, and then if
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: you unless you have a bad coach, and then just
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: get a good coach.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: That's a solution to that. Which in this era you
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: have choices that you were starting in there weren't as
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: many choices. Yeah.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I realized that when I went to Jean Jaques's place,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: that there's levels in teaching. And you know, obviously Hickson's
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: school was very high level and Carlson's was too, but
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Carlson's went under pretty quickly. They weren't around that long.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: But then when I went to John Jocks, I was like, Okay,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: this is a completely different level. Like Jean Jacques is
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: so detail oriented. I was also very lucky that I
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: started doing taekwondo when I was a child, so that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I always listened, you know, and the traditional martial arts
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: environment there's no room for questioning. They don't allow any question.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: And I was also very lucky that the school that
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: I started at was one of the best schools in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: I just got lucky.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I found this Jay Hunt Tie jay On Kim Takwindo
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Institute in Boston just happened to have multiple national champions,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: like really elite competitors, And so I never questioned. I
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: always did and I never did anything half asked. I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: always did it exactly. That's how you developed the right technique.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to just how you accelerate learning too,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean cause again people ask me about my old job, like, well,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: how do you how do you guys do all this
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: stuff that you do? Well, you learn it a piece
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: of the time, and honestly, it's the mastery of fundamentals.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Even at that I think what I determined the most
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: when my coach gave me my black belt was that
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know a god damn thing about jiu jitsu,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: and I can't keep up with all the flashy, sporty stuff.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: But the better fundamentals get, the better you can tolerate
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. It's just the mastery of
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: the fundamentals is just so essential.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Well, some of the elite guys of all time never
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: did any of the flashy stuff like Hickson. Hickson was
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: just the fundamentals honed to a razor sharp edge. See
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Hickson doing some stuff, You're like, oh, I've never seen
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: that before. It's all triangles, arm bars, renegad choke and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: just done to perfection, done in a way that black
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: belts can't stop it.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: No. I've heard stories of him lining black belts up,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: telling them what he is going to catch them with, yep,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: and then having like ten of them watch him catch
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: everybody before them with the same thing and them having
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: absolutely no ability to stop it. Yep, that's what I'm
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's Gordon Ryan too. Gordon Ryan. One of
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: the things that Gordon did, I was there when he
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: did it. One of the times he did it. He
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: did it multiple times. He would write down on a
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: piece of paper how he was going to submit his
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: opponent and sealed in an envelope, and before the match started,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: he would walk over to the commentators and say, open
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: this when it's over, and then you know, you would
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: see him catch somebody in a triangle. And then he
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: would open up the envelope and showed a triangle. And
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: he had multiple opportunities to catch someone.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: In different things. He's like, no, no, now see, I
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: could do that too, but it would be what I'm
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: going to get caught with. Here's the most likely thing
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna mess up and get caught with it.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing about starting when you're forty versus
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: starting when you're.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Twelve or whatever it is.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: It's like you're only going You're only going to be
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: able to get to a certain height.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: You know. Well, also, I recognize that I'm an aggressive hobbyist.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I've competed twice only because my wife was coaching it. Turnament,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: so I was like, well, I'll go spend time with you,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: so here we are. I think once when I was
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a white belt and once when I was a purple belt.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Like that's it. I don't care about the competition. Shockingly enough,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking to have a violent confrontation with anyone ever. Totally,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: totally have filled my cup up with that one probably
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: has spilled over a little bit from time to time.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Like I just do it because I really like the community.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: I like the fact you can't master it so you
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: can keep your brain young with your body young or
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: young as young as possible. And yeah, it's just fun.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: It's really fun.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: It's so addictive, which is to me, was the problem
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: with injuries was that I would always find I'd go
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: I'll work around it, and I'd just go in with
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: injuries and then they get aggravated to the point where
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I remember one time my fingers were getting
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: numb because my neck was so fucked up that my
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: fingers were numb.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, I gotta do something. Was
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: this from you had an arm chucking people. It was
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of that. Yep, I remember you telling me
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: your affinities, like you've really got to.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Just drive you to use your neck, and also not tapping,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: not not tapping to certain neck cranks and different things
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: that fuck your neck up.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Neck cranks are very real. Yeah.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: I also didn't work my neck enough back then. I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: didn't have an iron neck at that machine. Oh yeah,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: I fucking love that thing.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Is it forward and back and turn this? Yeah, So
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: it's a halo.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: You sit on your chest and you pump it up
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: like the rebock pumped, and then the chin strap. You
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: tighten that bitch down and you can adjust the tension
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: that's required to spin it. And it has this giant
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: bungee cord on it, and so the bungee cord is
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: like fifty pounds of resistance. So you back up with
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: the bungee cord till it's like fully taught, and then
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: you go like this, Yeah, I swear by that thing
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: all right. It keeps your next strongest fuck And I
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: don't have any neck problems anymore. And I had a
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: lot of fucking neck problems. So the thing that saved
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: me though was Regenikeine which is like this PRP platelet
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: rich plasma to the next level. That this treatment that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys were having to go to Germany
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: to get in the early days. They would go like
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I remember Kobe Bryant went to Germany. I think Peyton
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Manning went. A bunch of guys had to go to
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: Germany to get this treatment. And it's like they take
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: your blood and through some process I forget exactly how
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: they do it, it makes this fluid that is like
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: this radically inflammation fighting fluid, and they injected it into
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: my neck and it cured my bulging discs and all
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: my numbness went away, and I got to start training
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: again once I got back. But again, I didn't have
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: a fucking iron neck back then. If I had that
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: machine back then, I think I could have avoided a
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: lot of the problems. Yeah, like a lot of the
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: problems that people have with lower backs. I firmly believe
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: it's a lack of building tissue and strength and mobility
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: around your lower back. And I do a lot of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: lower back exercises too. I do a lot of rotation
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: exercises and a lot of like reverse hypers, like that machine.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: That machine's awesome. Oh that's I did that today.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: That fucking keeps your back so strong and healthy, and
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: it decompresses at the same time that it strengthens. And
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: you know, some many guys just go into the class.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: They just that's their workout. Their only workout is training,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: and those guys are always hurt, They're always getting hurt.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: I think strength training and mobility training is essential if
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: you want to have longevity in jiu jitsu.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I really think that I would agree. Yeah. Yeah, For
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: the first couple of years, it was a workout in
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: and of itself, and I finally have started. I think
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: I've done with barbells, just because I've never seen a
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: linear object equally loaded in real life outside of a gym.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: So there's some things with barbells though, like Olympic style
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: stuff like cleans very beneficial too.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: You can zurchers, though zurchers.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Are only available with a barbell. I think zurchers are
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: very very important. I think that's a big one. I'm
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: willing to Jefferson squats. There's a bunch of different things,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: but zurchers in particular are really good for grappling, you know,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: because you've got that barbell that you're holding inside the crook.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Of your elbow. Can use the sandbag you could, Yeah,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: we definitely could. Yeah.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: I love goblet squats. Goblet squats are phenomenal, especially on
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: a slant board. You know, when you're holding like a
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: ninety pound kettlebell and you're doing those deep squats where
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: it's knees over toes on a slat board and your whole.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Core is just so activated with your heart.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's phenomenal for just strength and stability. That
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: I agree. I think kettlebells are the best. I think
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: it's the best also because you're there's there's so many
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: different things you can do with them in terms of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: there's rotational exercises I do where I like, pick it
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: down on this side and I swing and clean it
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: and press it on that side, let it swing down,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: and I do those things where you lie on your
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: back with your you know, on your with your butt
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: with your legs up in the air, and you do
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: those twists where you take the kettlebell and take it
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: each side.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: You can absolutely demolish yourself with a single kettlebell. Yeah,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: which is kind of awesome, especially like where I live too,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: traveling with the truck Like, okay, yep, put one of
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: these bad boys in there. All the excuses are going.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: I had a bowling bag that I would carry a
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: fifty pound kettlebell with me on the road. Just put
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: in a bowling bag because it fits in a bowling
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: ball bag.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: All right. People are going to look at you a
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: little awkwardly, but I'm here for it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: But if you have a fifty pound weight limit, if
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: you check in luggage like they whatever.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Works for you. Yeah, I appreciate the enthusiasm for working
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: out on the road.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Well, back then the thing was you'd never find them
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: in a gym, and now they're in most change.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: It's not to find them down at Jim Yeah hotel.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Jim is like, why do you have a one point
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: five kilo kettlebell? Like is this for children? Like? What
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the fuck? The little micro ones? Like some people like
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: to pretend they're working out. Sometimes that's me just go
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: through the motions.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're good for risks too, risk curls. You know,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: you take a kettlebell and you like reverse it or
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: you have it this way and you do these like
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: put your forearms on a bench. Oh yeah, and you
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: hold the handle in your hands and you just let
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: your wrist curls like because it puts you in this
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: like weird angle. It really strengthens your forums and your wrists.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: There's so many things you could do with those things
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: that things that aren't sexy, like Turkish get ups phenomenal
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: for you, so good for stability and core and just
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: overall body control.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need it now. Crouching towards fifty, still enjoying
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. Yeah, yeah, you need a little bit. Do
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: you definitely need something?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: You need some Are you taking any peptids or any
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: of that stuff?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: I've played around the peptides. Finally, two years ago, I
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: got my endocrine system checked, my hormous check. Oo. Man,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: it was a nice little It was like a little
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: gauge that had red zone yellow green. Upon first looking
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: at this chart, I assumed that my life was gonna
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: end in about thirty six hours. What was your number?
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Oh fucking to something? Oh Jesus, I had never had
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: it checked. That's crazy. I didn't feel awesome and it,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: But I also there are people who played around with
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: an immense amount of performance enhancing materials in my previous job,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: which live your laughe. However, you want to just understand
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: maybe the long term tale and the consequences of the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: choice you want to make. I wanted to avoid that
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: for as long as possible, because, as you know, once
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: you kind of go on that train, it's a lifelong journey. Yeah.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: But once I finally saw that piece of paper, like,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: oh boy, I.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: Bet you could attribute that to the volume of your training.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: That's also part of the problem is that if you're
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: training ten times a week, you're probably in a constant
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: state of overtraining.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, that probably for the vast
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: majority of my life, That's been the state that I
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: operated in. If I'm being honest, I mean, the answer
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: was always just more like, if you want to get better,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: do more, right, you want to be stronger, go harder,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: go harder, and do more. I'm like, okay, it took
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: me about so I've been I started taking tort about
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: two years ago. I am just now finally slowly dialing
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: it into where I feel a difference recovery is better.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: But also, I mean, I try to set realistic expectations
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: for who I am and what I'm trying to do.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just I want to have the healthiest lifespan
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: that I can. Yes, I'd rather live to eighty and
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: be doing awesome stuff to ead than live to ninety
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: and spend the last ten years eating jello in a
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: nursing home. Right, So that's what I'm going for.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: You could do as long as you're smart with your
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: training and you don't get like catastrophic injuries, you could
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: be very physically fit, deep deep into your sixties and seventies.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: That's a good and I and that's I mean, I
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. Nobody knows how much time we have, you know,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: and how much how long your lap is going to be.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: My goal is just to fill it up with awesome
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: experiences between here and whatever that is here here.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: To stay out of that fucking flying squirrel suit, will you?
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Cam just said the same thing to me.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: And if enough people keep saying that, I'll put a
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: fucking thing back on just to piss you guys off.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: But it's kind of amazing that you're still here. You've
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: here's done that so many times. I mean, you broke
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: the world record at one point in time.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: I did, Yes, my egg that was how many miles
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: was that? Did you flew? It's like eighteen point two
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: something like that with a flying squirrel suit. To me,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: it was very reasonable. You know the things that I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: do that I think are reasonable. Oftentimes in my life
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: people will pull me aside and be like, hey man,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: what the fuck? Yeah, it doesn't seem at all reasonable. Well,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: you're only seeing that one video. I had been skyede
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: having for like sixteen years at that point, you know,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: and you know something like when I would go over
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: to I remember i'd go over to Switzerland and I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: would do a flight in the wingsuit and get you know,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: you like you're playing with your shadow on a steep clip,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: and I would send it to you, and one day
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: you were like, I just had to throw my phone
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: across the room watching this because it was giving you anxiety.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: So then I'm like, clearly, I'm sending you more of
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: these videos for sure, right because now I got the hookie,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: I threw my phone into a couch. I was like,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: fuck this, what are you doing? Andy? But that was
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: like one of many jumps in this, like the months
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: of training leading up to that. I'm not gonna sit
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: here and say it's safe. I do think you can
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: do it as safely as possible, and I don't have
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: a higher risk threshold than other people do. I spend
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: an immense amount of time at everything that I do,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: looking at the risk and trying to manage it, analyze it,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: mitigate it as much as possible, and then you look
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: at what's left to me. That activity provided me enough
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: enrichment in my life that it was worth it. I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: haven't put the suit on in five or six years,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: but I swear God, if I get one more person
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: telling me not to do it, I'm gonna go back
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: and just start sending you videos again.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I promise I won't be that guy
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: that tells.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: You that now. But honestly, at this point, again talking
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: about risk, it's not worth it. I don't live in
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: a place where I can stay because your currency in
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: that suit comes from the skydiving world, where you can
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: jump it multiple times a day, and the base jumping world.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: There's no altimeter, Your just camera one camera, two oh
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: at about a buck twenty face first. So yeah, if
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: you misjudge a tree or probably cliff On as fucked
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: a what's happening. I don't know how to describe what
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: it feels like doing one hundred and twenty miles an hour,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: face first, a few feet off the ground, probably like that.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: This what is it in the Olympics close skeleton? How
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: close do you get off the ground? What's the closest?
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Probably not intentionally, the closest was probably somewhere right around
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: the three foot range.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: One hundred twenty miles an hour, so three footos are
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: one two like that.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus dude, Yeah, that's insane. You don't do that
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: for very long. And then there are and if you do,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: like some of those jumps in Switzerland, like you would
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: hike for hours.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: There's this one jump that it's actually one of the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: ones I sent you from you just it's insane. You're
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: just looking out into like this picture story book of
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: like where the Kabul Giant or whatever he was would live,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: right like you just candahard shipt, which I think's real.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: I hope it is really, I deeply, it's such a
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: deep part of me hopes that it's real. But you're
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: looking out at that as you're zipping up your ridiculous
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: nylon suit and checking to make sure everything is there,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: and then you just rock forward and at some point
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: you rock to a place where you can't go back
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: the other direction, and you send it in the first
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: few seconds because you have no airspeed. The suit doesn't fly,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: so you're just falling. And then it takes off and
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: it's just these right hand turns and right hand turns,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: and there are small sections where the angle is correct
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: and you can kind of connect with the train and
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: then get away from it and connect. The people who
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: are able to survive it are not the ones that
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: were flying three feet off the ground all the time.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: It's very very short periods of time on jumps that
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: they have practiced many many times, and they slowly incrementally
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: work their way down there because again, mistake in that
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: environment is you're gonna impact an object headfirst. At one
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty. I remember the video that scared me
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: the most was a bridge where the guy was trying
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: to fly through. You know the video, Yeah, I do.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's sandy. Oh yeah, oh. I love this
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: little grass field over here. I think my head turns
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: to right because there was two dudes up here. I
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: was looking at them. God, that is beautiful. Oh, I'm
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: telling you it's insane. This is the field of joy. Wow,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: that's the shadow in the lower right. But that's probably
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's probably ten feet off.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: God, that is fucking pretty. Yeah, that's gotta be nuts.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a ride at Disneyland that can
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: fuck with this.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely not. Wow.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Have you ever done one of those ones where you
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: strap a jet pack?
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: But I like where your head's at. Yeah, I know
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Remember there was a guy that was like getting in
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: trouble because they kept finding this guy flying a wingsuit.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: He was flying a jetpack wing suit and they were
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: trying to like locate the guy who.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Was doing it. Yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was getting like they were looking for him
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: because he was they kept spotting him.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: Where was that, Jamie? Do you remember we talked about
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: it on the show once. I feel like this is
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: like a combination of stories. No, no, no, secret jet
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: pack man.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some guy had a jet pack and he was
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: flying around where he wouldn't wasn't supposed to be.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, So these guys are in Dubai. Unfortunately that's nuts.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: But that one's nuts. So that's an actual wingsuit.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: That's a wing and they got to the place where
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: they could take this off from standing on the ground Joe. Unfortunately,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: one of the innovators in that ended up dying. There's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: a there's an altitude in air speed where if you
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: have an issue, you're not going to be able to
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: deploy your parachute to save you. And he had an
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: issue at that altitude.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Geez, But yeah, who would have guys up there with
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: a plane to show that?
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: Again? Yeah, that is insane? Would you ever do that?
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: I want to say, would I I mean there's a
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: time in a place where I would do.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of things because I would hundred percent would
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: do that. I bet you would. Now does that appen?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: Does that guy have an engine on that thing? Yeah,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: there's a little micro jet engines. You can see him. True,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: that's so much fuel. That's a good question. Like I said,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: they had gotten to a place where they could stand,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: so that wing it kind of conforms around their skydiving parachute.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's four little jet engines. They got to
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: a place where they were standing, cracking those things off
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: and going vertical and then transition into plight, yes, and
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: then I think landing.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Them too, Yeah, landing them with the engine somehow?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: I mean did they rotate? I mean they are wearing
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: a pair of you know what, Maybe I might be
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: misspeaking on that, but I know that they were taking
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: off from a no air speed standing there and just dud.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: That's nuts. Well that's also like I said, how one
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: of the innovators died. It was in that phase, like
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: a low altitude, low air speed phase where nothing's really good.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I remember I did, morning Ruth. What is it? Yeah,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: these are the jetpack racers.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's crazy. I've seen that too.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: This is real, by the way, right, yes, because it
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: kind of looks fake, but.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: No, those are real for sure. They actually have. There's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: a league, Jamie of guys who race these things.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: How do we get them?
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Add to Kart on Amazon for
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: how fast do you think these guys are going on
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: these things? Whoa when they could just land? Oh that's wild.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: You have to have some fucking shoulder strength to do that.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love how they're trying to show like
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: this has incredible military application, Like let's take it easy, okay,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: gotta be quiet, right, super quiet?
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: Is there some support for your shoulders in there? It's
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: not like you're doing a constant day.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't well, I think that the jet pack, so
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: on his backpack, I believe that's putting some thrust out
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: to the hands are as well. So it's the combination of.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: The three, because like, how long can you hold a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: dip position?
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, so here's the league. Look at
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: is creazy? Yeah the backpack itself, oh getting fancy. Oh
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: that's crazy.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: But the grounds pushing back up on you on the situation,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: you know, are doing a dip.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, that's true. Yeah, that's true. I feel
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: like the backpack is doing the majority of it, Like
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: the Iron Man little hand things, I feel like that's
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: just the stabilization.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, so the backpack is doing the most of it,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: and I think it's steering you.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: I think I have exactly zero seconds in one of
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: these things. So this is me talking out of my ass.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: If there was enough lives, if you had multiple lives,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: I would do a lot of different things.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: That looks so fun.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: It does, Jamie. There is no parachute in the box.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: There's no parachute.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: That's why you want to stay five feet off the ground.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just flying to the top of this fucking cliff
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: with that thing. Oh, that's bonkers for sure.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: This is like to say people or something.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: No, it's for I agree more on that one.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: What do you think that the How much time do
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: you get in one of those two run on of fuel?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know it's time enough to fill a motivational
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: video like this. To me, I'd be Ravity Industries. I
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: would be reverse engineering, like where is this in my
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Amazon cart? How do I possibly make enough money to
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: have these sent to my house immediately? What do you
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: think one of those costs? My guess would be six figures,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: so professional entertainment. Yes, ja, click on that, bitch, let's
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: go suit up? Yes, motherfucker. Hold on? What can be
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: my credit card? Let's let's guess. Let's guess, ah, god,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: fifty grand, one hundred grand. I'm gonna say six figures.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Oh they fooled us, you sons of bitches. Oh clothes,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: you can only buy clothes.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: You can't buy the thing on the way.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Why get you buy the fucking thing? Let's see, well,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: how much does the thing cost? Somebody must be able
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: to buy it. Twenty four hundred pounds for an experience,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: so that's just to fly it a thousand horsepower ten
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: to fifty horsepower gravity jetsuit.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: WHOA, So it's the same horsepower as a ZR one corvette.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: And it's on your back. Look at this? Yeah, first off,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: take that safety line off. Let's let people that the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: safety line look at his neck. Me like, yeah, let's
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: just let's search the price.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: So you think six figures, I would probably say that's
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: probably accurate, especially when I saw it as a thousand horsepower.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Here's a better question. Are you willing to spend six
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: figures to acquire one of those? I'm gonna go in
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: the hard yes category for myself. I'm not saying I
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: got six figures laiter around. I'm saying I will start
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: a new career in the attempt. Oh no, that's not
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: a good face, Jamie. It's not.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: It is in the sixth it's not the low the
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: edge six hundred roughly that'd get one.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Six hundred thousand dollars. WHOA is that a US dollars? Like?
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, depending on configuration and stuff too.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, what if you get it like maxed.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not giving me options. I just kind of searched.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: I think we're just getta get closer to the seven
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: figure number.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: If we do that, they probably don't advertise how much
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: it costs.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: Does it say how long you can stay in the
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: air in that thing? Let's guess I want to say
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: I've seen a guess under ten. Wow.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember when I saw I went on a
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: radio station once and they had a.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: Guy, who what is it?
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: One minute? One, one, four minutes.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: One to four? That's it? So what are they doing
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: when they're flying up to that mountain.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: Five to ten? If you are doing it carefully?
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: Well, how the fuck do they get all the way
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: to the mountain? How do they get down?
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: We only saw a five second Is there a gallon of.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: Gas up there at the top of the fucking mountain.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'm way less enthusiastic about this purchase.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah that sucks.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, four hundred and fifty grand for a minute.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: But what makes me enthusiastic is that they're going to
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: innovate and evolve this one day. It'll be nuclear powered,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: let's not get crazy.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: It'll be yeah, it'll be cold fusion, it'll be an
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: iron Man machine.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: And I feel like we could do better things with
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: that technology before the jetsuit. But I'm totally in on
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: the jetsuit.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Get an iron Man suit, Like that's iron Man, right.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: The hands, that's how he would fly.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of what they look like.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it would come out of his feet
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: and it would come out of his hands. I did
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: a radio station once in Denver and they had a
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: guy who did a jetpack thing in a parking lot.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: It was like a morning radio back in the day.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: And this guy, I think he could only last for
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds. And this guy he had two knee braces
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: on because he'd blown out both of his acls, just
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: landing and destroying his knees. But it was crazy to watch.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: It was crazy to watch. He just got took off
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: and he flew around. But it was only for a
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: few seconds. I think, like it's like a thirty second deal.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: After thirty seconds, it runs out of juice. I'm glad
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: there are people like that out there. I appreciate their enthusiasm.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: There's always going to be right, yeah, there's always going
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: to be somewhere.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Brief description of what it has in there.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, A lot of jazz it honestly, it is like
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: what you were talking about. So the hands, like the
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: iron Man position in the back. As a majority of
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: the thrust.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but it heats your ass up something fierst.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, up to fifty six miles per hour. Interest in United.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: Jet fuels, I wonder how much faster you go to
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: jet fuel?
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: Well, what does it normally use? Diesel or jet fuel?
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: Jet fuel?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: Diesel or jet fuel, that's weird, they're not that far off.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Or kerosene.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: But isn't that weird that one engine can burn those
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: different types of fuel? That seems unusual. Probably the configuration
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: part where oh, I see right, right right, Like if
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: you want to top line when you get jet fuel
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: plat version, Yeah, all right, get one of those, let's
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: try it. Yeah, but is there legitimate military applications or
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: something like that? I can't really think of one because
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: it showed guys and fatigues that are landed on an
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: aircraft carrier.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: I could show you videos of guys and fatigues that
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: end up banging each other, So it doesn't necessarily mean right,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: so let's say a military application for that, Let's just say, uh,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: that would be far fringe. I'm just saying the fatigues
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily the qualifier of it being you know, good
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: utilization for the military, So.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: We only briefly touched on this Candahar giant story.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: But were you ever in Kandahar? Yeah, I stand in
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: the south. How remote is it? I mean there's a
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: large city there, town city. I don't know the difference
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: between the two. It's relatively built up. As far as
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: southern Afghanistan, it's going to be, you know, the cobble
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: up north. Kandahar is a little bit down south. Cobble
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: in the north. You're gonna start looking at the exterior
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: range of the Hindu Kush. Kandahar still has some topography,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: but you're looking at more of like a high desert train,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: and so there's caves and things along those lines. This
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: is the idea that this thing lived in a cave. Yeah,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: I mean so yeah, it's it's there is topography that
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: is there. For sure, it possible. I don't know.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Well, the reason why people entertain this idea of giants
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: at all is all a lot of it's biblical. It's
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: like stories from the Bible, and then also stories from
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: ancient civilizations that talked about red haired giants, which is
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: the weird thing about this thing had red hair, like
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: the Native Americans had tales of red haired giants that
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: they fought off. Like there's a lot of people that
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: believe that all these stories from antiquity about giants are
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: all referring to an actual different race of humans, you know,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: like we are one race of humans that's homosapien that survived,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: but then there's also races of humans that didn't survive,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: like the Hobbit people from the Island of Flores that
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: they found out there was a branch of the human
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: species that was like three feet tall, covered in hair,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: little tiny.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Heads, weird, but had tools and had weapons, And I
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: think some of that stuff's real. I think sometimes though
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: the stories they're they're intentionally nesting a greater message through
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: the viha of that story. So whether it's like accurate
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: or not, it's more about the story that they are telling.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like the Candahar giant has some
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: story associated with it, but some of the older like
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: the civilizations and the stories that they tell, I think
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: it's just a vehicle that they can nest something in
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: there to create deeper thought, if that makes sense. It's
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: what I see you guys doings comedians. I've talked about
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: this recently. It is interesting to me and I never
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: paid attention to it, but I know he's a good
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: friend of yours. Dave Chappelle I launched his last special,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: The ability for comedians to nest inside of your set
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: pretty impactful and powerful societal conversations and ideas and get
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: people to laugh about it. But even when they're done
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: laughing about it, they're going to be thinking about it
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: when they're driving home. It's just the vehicle to get
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: people thinking about stuff well in terms of comedy.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: I agree, and Dave is one of the best of
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: all time, if not the best, at doing that. But
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: what kind of a nesting would you you're talking about giants.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: It depends on the morals and ethos of that society.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: If they want to be a warrior society, you have
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: to have something that you're constantly fighting or protecting yourself against.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: HM whether that's real or you are nesting the morality
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: of your society. In that story, both could achieve the
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: same end state.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: If there really was a giant and they really did
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: kill this thing and then brought it back secretly, like,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: what would be the purpose of that?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: That's where I go, like, what would be the purpose
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: of hiding the fact.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: That this thing existed.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: I don't see why the government would hide the discovery
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: of a giant, Like what, Yeah, what military reason, what
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: national security reason would you have for hiding this the
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: thing that this thing existed.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: At some level of objective skepticism and criticism or looking
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: into these stories, you get to that point of like,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: who's benefiting from this? And why why would anybody actually
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: go out of their way to put this much effort
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: into obscure something like that.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel about giants, But when it
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: comes to UFOs, it makes more sense to me because
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: then you have something that's insanely advanced, much more advanced
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: than us.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: And so I had this guy hal put Off on
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: my show.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: He's a physicist, very brilliant guy, and he's been around forever.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: And during it was George w or Herbert Walker, one
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: of the bushes. They brought him and a team of
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: specialists in and they said, we are contemplating disclosure and
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: that we have not just reed not just acquired crashed
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: vehicles that are of non human origin, but also we
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: have biological remains of these creatures. We want you to
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: write down pros and cons of the impact these things
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: and put a numerical value, put a numerical value in
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: terms of impact on government, impact on religion, impact on
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: all these different things, and universally all of them came
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: out with more cons than pros. The numbers didn't line up,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: and they made a decision to not disclose.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: This is according to this how put off guy, I
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: could see that being the case. I could see that
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: being the case too, if it was true the UFO thing.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: There's just too many stories for me to openly dismiss
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: all of them, even though I've had no experiences. There's
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: too many stories. There's there's too much weirdness to it.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: How about it? Just given the size of the known
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: universe and the fact it keeps expanding, what is the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: mathematical odds that we are completely the only thing out there? Exactly?
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: So this is like sort of the same argument that
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: people used to use for Bigfoot, Like the wilderness is
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: so vast, the Pacific Northwest is so dense, there could
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: be something out there that we haven't documented.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: All.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: The problem is now we kind of have, and now
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: we kind of know that with all these camera traps
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: and all these different things. It's very very, very very
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: unlikely that any of these stories are true. But when
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: you get to the universe, it's like, come on, it's
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: way more likely that we're not alone than we are alone.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: If we are alone, that's kind of insane. I mean,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: it's kind of incredible if this is the only place
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: where intelligent life is formed. I think if that's the case,
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: we're missing something. We're missing something about the nature of consciousness.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: We're missing something about what consciousness actually is, like, what
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: is our actual role in the universe. It might be
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: more complex than we initially believe.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: I think disclosure that we aren't alone would have a
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: net benefit to society globally. We spend a lot of
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: time packing back and forth at each other and fighting
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: each other. If you got sat down and be like, listen,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: we have a global issue now that everybody is impacted
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: by this as biggest, as much of the biggest swinging
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: dick you think you are on this planet, guess what,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: you're nothing in comparison to this. I think it would
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: have a net calming effect. Maybe not instantaneously, but overall,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: I think that that would be the net effect of it.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Perhaps the real problem is, like all things, someone's going
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: to take advantage of it.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: But I think that if so, let's just say it
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: is real. I think that's already happening like the US.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: If that's real, the US is not the only country
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: that has agreed not to disclose because it is to
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: their benefit not to do so. Like these things. Russia
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: has a crash program. I'm sure China does as well too,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that everybody, to include the US, is
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: trying to reverse engineer these things for our benefit as
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: fast as humanly possible. Yeah.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: So I think that if it is true, that is
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: the case. And that's the Bobblazar story. There's a great
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: documentary that's out now called S four that's about Boblesar.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: I had them on again for the second time.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to believe him. I want to think
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him. There's something
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy who's been
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: telling the same story since nineteen eighty eight.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and like you said, a volume of
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: other stories. Some of them I think you can completely
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: sure right off, but other ones pretty tough from pretty
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: credible people who aren't making claims like hey, I sat
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: down and had a beer with this thing. But like,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: I was in an aircraft that has a certain performance envelope,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: and we understand the performance envelope of what humans are
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: able to fly at this point, and yeah, this thing
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: did things that I don't understand. Sometimes the videos get
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking with you know, Bill Thompson,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: You just had a more love that dude. He is,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: like he's one of my favorite people. You gotta be cautious.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: How deep of a question you ask him? Right, because
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: he has national defense level autism at times death con five, Like, Bill,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite color? It's like, oh, what is color?
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: Like that's not That's not what I meant. But we
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: were having this conversation and his background is fascinating, and
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: what's even more fascinating is what he's done with his
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: background and what he built from with Spartan forge with
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: which and his ethics correct. But he was talking about
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: some of the videos. He understands technological things and he
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: can look at stuff and be like, that's the parallax
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: of two moving objects and how a lens works. Not
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: many people understand those things, to include myself. Many times
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: when I'm talking with mister mister Bill, But I mean,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: he God, he's a national treasure. He really is. He
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: is he.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: That was one of the ones where I dipped into
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: the comments on YouTube because I just wanted to know
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: how people were going to react to him. What they
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: say loved him, loved him, universal praise for how brilliant
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: he is, and I'm like, there's only one way they're
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: going to respond. I'm like, if you don't like this guy,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: like you're listening to the wrong show.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: Have you seen what he's done with the app he
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: created spart It's incredible. It's an amazing app. It's twenty
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: plus years of targeting and intelligence gathering packaged into something
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: that's consumer facing. That if you're into hunting, holy shit,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: And what kind of a super genius is going to
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: get involved in a hunting app like that?
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: Captain America of Autism. I love you, Bill, but let's
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: be honest. He mean, he's brilliant on another level.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: I remember the first conversation I had with him, I
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, Okay, there's people that you talk to
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: like whenever someone says, oh, Joe, you're so smart, I'm like,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: settle down, no, no, no, I'm smart Compared to you,
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: I'm smart compared to some people, you know, but I
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: know real smart people.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a stark difference, a giant leap, a chasm, yeah,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: a fucking an ocean to cross before you reach like
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: levels like Bill or Elon or some of these people.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: That's just like the amount of processing power they have. Yeah,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I have a Honda Civic brain and these
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers have a Corvette ZR one.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: I usually go with. I have an IQ that you
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: can find on a thermostat. I'm not saying it's like
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: the winter, but maybe it's a little bit close to
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: a hot summer day. Now what he is, I wish
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: I had the ability to build stuff like that, Like
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: I use that app to hunt, but most of the
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: time I use it when I'm flying my helicopter around
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: because it is like the terrain analysis, the ability to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: look at stuff, the light er, the way that you
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: can look through foliage. Again, I just I'm deeply appreciative
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: that people like that exist.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: And again, with the ethics that he has, he will
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: not sell your fucking email. He's been offered a lot
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: of money to sell all the you know, that's the
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: thing that companies do you sign up for something, you
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: use your email, that your email goes in the list.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: Have you ever opened up one of your email accounts
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: and look through the filters, like all the simp spam
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: and promotional shits, like years and years of garbage.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: In addition to the email stuff. I know, Bill has
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: become a very good friend. He's been offered money to
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: do a lot of things, and his morality has stayed
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: true through throughout which and again like those things are
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: his to talk about if he ever wants to, But
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: as somebody who knows him and appreciates that, I wish
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: there were more people like that.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's just very difficult to become a guy like that.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: It's a long road to be that guy. Yeah, I
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: think because of what's going on Iran, it would be
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: good to talk to you about this because your guy
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: kind of understands things in terms of like geopolitics more
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: than the average person.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Listen, I can find I ran on a map. Okay,
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I understand geopolitics. I know. I know
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: you're very yeah, you're humble, but well, my operational experience
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: was at a low tactic meaning I'm like, there's a
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: there's strategic war, operational war, but those are that's air.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: I never was in the room for. I didn't breathe
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: that air. I'm not having. I wasn't invited rightfully, so
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: to planning meetings where they were talking about the defense
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: policy of the United States or going into a country,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: I was down like, Hey, we found this dude, we
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: know where he's at. We can't figure out how to
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: go get him. Why don't you guys go give it
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: a little look? See, that was the level that I
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: operated at. Yeah.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that was discussed was sending
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think they tried that as part of
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: the rescue. Yeah, there seems to be a lot of ships,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of crafts. Well okay, so yes, but okay,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: so I'll we can unpack this one a little bit.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: So this is back to the fifteen Weapons systems officers
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: that ejected. There was a c STAR or combat search
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: and rescue operation where they.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: Surged forward a lot of stuff and then operation or
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: the ghost murmur, stop it right now, you stop it
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: You don't know what that is. I know, I know Joe,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: I want it to be true, right, me too. I
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: want them to be able to identify somebody from a
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: heartbeat from forty miles away, from forty miles away, if
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: that technology existed. And we're not using that on to
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: help our own populace find people that are lost in
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: the woods, we're a bunch of fucking assholes. So like,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: let's not maybe tell people what we're doing, but you
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: could have a specialist and assertion and rescue helicopter that
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: could maybe use that and be like, oh, we saw
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: them in a field when you didn't actually see right. So,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: because that doesn't happen, I think the it's plausible. I
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: don't it's possible. I don't know if it's plausible. That's
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: how we felt. Me and Jamie were both going. So,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: but then you can go old school, which is sending
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: in monkeys with machine guns like what I used to
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: do with a PJ or multiple pj's, pair of rescue jumpers,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: because those are the guys. This is the way I
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: describe pjs. If you want to put a hole in something,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: Jaysock guys are great at it. If you want to
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: plug a hole, pj's or the guys that you want
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: on top of you just stopping hydraulic fluid. They're medical
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: just absolute badasses, nothing but immense respect for them. So
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: the two cargo aircraft came in, they pulled the little
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: birds out. I believe that there was four You could
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: only fit probably man even if they were super light
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: on fuel, probably three guys on each pod. So six
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: guys per helicopter. Twenty four guys. Some of those are
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: going to have to be pj's. I don't know if
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: that's enough to go into a hardened facility in the daytime, also,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: which is not when you would do that for retrieving
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: depleted uranium, because by the way to do that, you're
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: going to be in full protective equipment, very likely which
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: you're going to be moving incredibly slow. I just I
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: know it was I know that geographically it was proximal
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: to one of the locations that they thought that that
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: was what was going on. I think it probably was
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: a rescue of the weapon system's officer, is my guess.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: And then you know they're like, well, we can't get
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: the aircraft because they got stuck in the sand. Like okay,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: the little birds don't have the fuel storage and ability
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: to get across where they needed to go, so they
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: had to bring in other aircraft and you don't want
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: to leave that stuff, so yeah, they bit it or
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: blow it in place. How many aircrafts did they lose?
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: So what has been and I think disclosed was the
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: four MH six's, which are the little birds that carry
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: the people. The two aircraft that brought those in. I
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: think there was some version of a C one thirty
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: and I think that was it as far as that operation.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: There might have been a Predator or a Reaper drone
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: that was shot down. I think some A tens were damaged,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: and then of course the F fifteen that was ejected from. Wow,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's a lot of stuff. It is
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But the military asks people to
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: do exceptional things, and it helps you if you know
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: that they are going to send everything that they have
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: to come and get you if something goes wrong. It
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: has to mean something to be issued a flag on
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: your chest in my opinion at least, and as far
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: as those operations go, there's basically two where you were
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: going to absorb as the people responding an immense amount
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: of risk. One of them is going to be a
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: hostage rescue, which I was a part of. We talked
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: about that on a previous episode, the Jessica Lynch rescue.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: The number of people we thought we might encounter was
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: a way bigger number than the number of people that
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: we could get there in the helicopters. But you go
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: anyway because of the chance of rescuing somebody. Combat search
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: and rescue kind of the same thing. Maybe they're not
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: it's not a hostage situation, but it could be building
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: towards that. I mean, maybe you don't have time to
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: go at night, which is when you have all the
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: tactical and technological advantage, right the night vision goggles. It's like, hey,
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: we got to go now in the daytime, We're going
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: to level the technological playing field and you guys are
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: going to go full back dive and get like that's
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: very high risk. Those are about the two times that
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: you were going to accept that level of risk and
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: you go. When you go, well, that's why I wanted
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: to ask you. So the official story seems to track.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: It is more plausible to me than any of the
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: other stories that I have heard. I would like to
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: think that the ghost Murmur whatever it is. But then
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I mean walk in the dog on
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: that one. Did this guy have to sit down and
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: you know, get an EKG and have his heart wave
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: you know HRV on files somewhere, because how would you
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: not pick up somebody else's heart rate? How would you
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: not pick up you know, other animals or mammals that like,
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I want to believe.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: I think we'll probably get there. I don't think we're
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: there yet. Was that an official story? No, that's a
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Twitter story? Are you sure? Well? I first saw it
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, so I did too, but I.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: Didn't actually actively seek it out. I was like, wait what,
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: And then me and Jammie threw it around for a while.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: The internet is the best, worst thing ever.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 4: It was getting spread around by New York posts, and
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 4: then the same article was getting repeated everywhere.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: So interesting that New York post on screen. Interesting ghost Murmur?
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine I bet you Lockey Martin
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: does have a program called ghost Murmur.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: Long range quantum magnetometry. But I'm looking at articles so
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: diamond based sensors.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: I think Iran was saying that we tried to do
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: the snatching of the uranium a little bit boiled us.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: So it's like, who knows what side of the story
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: to believe?
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: All right, that is part of the problem.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: And you know, you got your Fox News narrative and
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: your MSNBC narrative and who fucking knows.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, separating the uh the bullshit in the modern era, Yeah,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: is more like an art form than a science.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very confusing and it's very disconcerting to just
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: have no And then also they can't tell you certain
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: things like why would the general public know about things
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: that could affect negatively national security?
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: Like why why would they tell you?
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: They can't tell you, which is also part of the
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: problem with they're allowed to lie, they're allowed to use
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: propaganda and misinformation on the American people in the interest
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: of national security.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: So that's like, it would just be better. I would
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: appreciate it more. They're like, listen, this is what we
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: can tell you, and then this beyond this as a
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: matter of national security. So as much as you want
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: to know, we can't tell you. I prefer that over
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: a BS story that gets it's like a really sticky
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: idea that gets totally out of control. And then you know,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: people have a three piece tinfoil tuxedo one walking down
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: main Street. But it's just super weird that there might
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: be something like ghost Murmur. There might be.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: Guarantee you that there is a program to magnetometry with
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: diamond sensors.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: I bet that's real. I bet it works out. I
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: mean they're probably testing it on mice, you know. I mean,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that the concept is valid. Well, you got jagent.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: President Trump told the Post the CIA's secret new ghost
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: Murmur tool was very important to rescuing a downed airmen
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: inside Iran. As leading physicists and engineers debate how the
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: futuristic technology is said to detect heartbeats at great dissiness
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: might work.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: The Post didn't make it up.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know if everything he says is accurate.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: Just to throw that out there, so who knows, gets
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: a little loose and fast sometimes with the details. In reality.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: It's just crazy that that kind of technology is even
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: being contemplated, that there might be a future where that exists. Oh,
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: that makes sense to find you based on your heart rate. Well,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: they now know that they can use Wi Fi in
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: order to see three D objects in motion in a house.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can map basically yeah, I mean it's well,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I think Evan and I had an
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: argument one time about radar and sonar, and we were
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: both calling each other idiots, and we both found out
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: that we were wrong once we looked it up on
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: the internet. So we'll say some version of that. God,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: we were both one percent committed that we were that
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: we were correct, and we were both wrong, which is classic.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like in this room, the things that are emanating,
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: there's an ability for them to map that and determine,
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe not who you are, but I bet
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: you it gets to that point and where you are,
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: and you want to talk about it tactically beneficial piece
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: of information for somebody like my old job, thank you
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: very much. Right, Yeah, I'll take that all day, as
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: long as it stays out of the hands of the enemy. Yeah,
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: But then they'll eventually get it, and then you'll evolve
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: and your tactics will change. And that's that's the gay man.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: It's just it gets to a point with technology where
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, what is not possible one hundred years from now.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: That's what's weird.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: Like we are in one of the strangest times ever
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: in human history in terms of these quantum computers that
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: can solve mathematical like Mark Andresen explained it to me,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to paraphrase it.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: I'll probably fuck it up.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: But he said that a quantum computer can solve an
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: equation in a matter of minutes, that if you converted
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: the entire universe, every atom in the universe into a supercomputer,
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: the universe would die of heat death before it could
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: solve this problem, and a quantum computer on Earth can
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: solve it in a matter of minutes.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even understand me, Like, I understand every word
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: that you just used, but I don't understand what that means,
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: exactly what it is capable of. Right.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: Well, they think that it might be evidence of somehow
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: or another, evidence of multiple dimensions of a multiverse, and
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: that not only is this quantum computer operating in this universe,
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: but in an infinite number of other universes simultaneously.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: I like the Doctor Strange movies.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean all the multiverse. I mean to me that,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: but I think they started with Spider Man.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: That might as well be a scientific documentary because that's
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: my reference for the multiverse.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: Right, I guess we shouldn't even talk about it because
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: we don't know what we're saying. But it's one of
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: those things, whereas like quantum computers are real, that's a
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: it's an actual real thing. Now, Google, specifically Hermot Nevin,
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: who leads Google Quantum AIS, recently used language that strongly
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: suggest their new quantum chip speed could be understood as
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: borrowing computational power from other universes. But this is an interpretive,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: speculative way of top talking about quantum mechanics, not an
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: experimentally established fact or a standard claim. The claim comes
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: from December twenty twenty four, a blog post about Google's
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: Willow quantum chip. Nevin wrote that the chip solved a
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: task in minutes that would take a classical supercomputer about
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: ten to the twenty fifth power years, far longer than
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: the age of the universe.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: Again, I understand every word you just use, but I
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: don't understand.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: Stop scrolling, he grow back up. He then said this
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: many parallel universes, that this aligns with the idea that
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: we live in a multiverse, explicitly referencing David Deutsch's many
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: world's argument for quantum computing. Yeah, right, we're too dumb
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: to have this conversation. That's where we need to get
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: Bill on speakerphone Bill Bill explain this.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: The problem is he'd be like, yeah, and then and
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: then the show would be five hours long. Well, and
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: then I would also understand the words that he was using,
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: but not in the combination in sequence that he would
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  Speaker 1: use them exactly exactly. I'm just appreciative that he exists.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm appreciative that there's people like that out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your book Drownproof. I assume this is in normal language
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  Speaker 2: that a normal person like you and I could read.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can you understand that I wrote it. We did
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  Speaker 1: not use a lot of multi syllable words, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ans, and thus are in there. Well, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it's awesome. Uh. Look, you got Jocko, Jack Carr and
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  Speaker 1: Me giving you blurbs on the cover, so it's got
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  Speaker 1: to be good. So at some point it doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be now. But I essentially wrote in the inscription,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean this from the bottom of my heart,
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  Speaker 1: my life would not look the way it does had
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  Speaker 1: you and I not randomly met through Tate Fletcher. Like
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  Speaker 1: my post military life would look completely different. And I
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  Speaker 1: have no ability to like pay you back for how
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  Speaker 1: gracious you've been with like your time and your platform.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a two way street because your your presence
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  Speaker 2: on my show has enriched my show.
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  Speaker 1: It's made the show better for sure. Well, my promise
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  Speaker 1: is that I will do the best I can to
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  Speaker 1: be a positive impact on the world around me. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the best way that I can try to
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  Speaker 1: pay you back, And honestly, it's the reason why I
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: wrote that in the first place. So well, that's all
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  Speaker 1: I can do.
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  Speaker 2: It's my pleasure and I try to do the exact
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: same thing and shout out to my boy, take pleasure.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that guind forever. He's the best.
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  Speaker 2: I love him all right, I love you too, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much, thanks for being here and Drownproof.
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  Speaker 1: Did you read the audiobook? I did? Yes, I love
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: it after that experience. Let me tell you, voice actors,
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  Speaker 1: I struggle with it enough. As the person who wrote
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: the words, I can't even fathom what it would be
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: like going in there blind and like, well, let's just
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: figure this out as we go. Yeah, it's a tough gig.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah. Jocko Road wrote and read the forward. Nice.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: That was amazing, beautiful. All right, that's it. Go get it, folks.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: It's out now, all right, hie, everybody