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257: Ultra Miles, Ultra Mindset Dean Karnazes Joins Rise & Run · Rise and Run

• 0:45
  SPEAKER_10: Hello, my friends.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_10: This is not Bob.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_10: Welcome to Rise and Run.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_10: And please send in those introductions so that I'm not having to do them.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, definitely not Bob.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Who is that guy?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: I know who that is.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's our buddy Andrew.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: Andrew with another intro for us.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: And he's right, though.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: He's right.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: He's sending us so that I or he, as me, doesn't have to do them because, friends, we're out of intros.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: So in a couple minutes here, when you hear the number, give us a call.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: Give us a couple of introductions.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: In the meantime, thank you, Andrew, and welcome, friends.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to episode 257 of the Rise and Run Podcast.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you, gang, sometimes I read that number off and I just go, can that be right?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: 257?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it is.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: 257 of the Rise and Run podcast on our way to, and I didn't look.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: We may be there either now or within a number of days.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: Our 600,000th download.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_03: That is either Wow.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say by the time this podcast airs, we'll be there.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's how close we are.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's another one that kind of staggers the mind.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, we're glad you're here, friends.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: All 600,000 of you.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Happy to have you with us.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Bob, and I'm here with Jack.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_08: Hiya.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: With John.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, how you doing?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: With Alicia.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: And with Lexi.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: Good to see you all, friends.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: Happy to have everyone here.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_03: Greg is at uh Lincoln Financial Field with his daughter watching an open practice for the Eagles.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: They s they sell out the stadium for open practices.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if they sell them out, they get huge crowds.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, really, really exciting episode this week.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: I know I've said that before.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: But Dean Carnassus returns.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: Dean was with us when we did our tribute to Jeff Galloway episode, and Dean talked about his time and his remembrance of our friend Jeff.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: This week we speak with the legendary ultra marathoner, Dean Carnassus.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it is it's one of my favorite interviews that we've done.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm uh looking forward, I'm looking forward to hearing it.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: We did it a couple weeks ago, so I'm looking forward to hearing it again.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: I know you're going to enjoy that.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: We got a good spotlight this week.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yvette joined us.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yvette did the Philly 10K, and she comes to tell us all about that.
• 3:24
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• 3:31
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• 3:33
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• 3:40
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• 3:47
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• 4:00
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• 4:07
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• 4:15
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• 4:19
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• 4:25
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• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you, Patreons.
• 4:28
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• 4:29
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• 4:30
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• 4:50
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• 4:56
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• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see, friends.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm going to go to I'm going to call it an alibi because remember last week when we got to the race report, we had two weeks worth of races to do.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I kind of buzzed through them pretty quickly.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: But we had one friend who I want to go back and comment on, and that's Kim.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Kim did that one step closer looped race, and we did mention it.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: We mentioned she ran an ultra, she did 50 plus miles, got the PR bill and all that.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_03: What we didn't mention was that she did 23 laps, and I'm pretty sure she had a different outfit for each lap.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: It was impressive.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: She put all the photos on Facebook.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: Go back and find it if you can.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's really neat, really worth mentioning.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: So way to go with that, Kim.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, let's look at the training schedule.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Wine and Dine, eight weeks.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Eight weeks till wine and dine time, kids.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: We're in training week number 10.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's a double up.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_03: Two-mile walk, 9.5 mile run.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: We mentioned it last week.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Advanced dining reservations went out for wine and dine.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone who's going, get anything they're excited about?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: I got our standard uh after the meetup at Terralina's.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: And uh this year uh for breakfast after on Monday, uh, I'm looking at cake bake.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh nice.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's a nice place.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty expensive.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how they are for breakfast.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: We've been for we've been for lunch and dinner, Becky and I.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's good.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's good.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: Breakfast might be fun.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: I've got Art Smith's homecoming on uh Saturday before the uh before the meetup.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh speaking of, since we're talking wine and dine, uh our friends who have been with us for a while know the meetup is uh Saturday, 3 p.m.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: in what I'm still calling the food truck area, although I know the food trucks are gone.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I guess that'll give us more room.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I will make that official and put it on the Facebook group as an event.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: But 3 p.m.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: Saturday in that area of Disney Springs.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's a lot of fun.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: We really hope you'll get a chance to meet us there.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Let's move on.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Marathon weekend is 19 weeks away.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: We are 19 weeks away from 5k day for marathon weekend.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: We're in training week number nine, and we're back to a three-mile run.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: We're in that part of the training period where the numbers go up for a week and then they drop back and they go up, and it'll be that way for a while until it gets really long, and then they'll go up for a week and drop back for two weeks, and then go back up.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: But that's where we are.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: Let's take a look at some of the other events that get a large rise and run crowd.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: Burden Hand is 15 days away.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, still spots left for the dinner.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: However, John told me earlier before we came on that registration for the race officially is going to close September 1st.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: Now, John, I know that they take walk-up registrations on Friday, but online registration.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_04: Online registration ends the first.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: They do take up walk-up registrations if it's available, if their spaces.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_04: They said they're they're they're looking at a lot of people this year, and you know, they they sold out, I think, to 5k last year.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_04: So I think if you really want it, get it done beforehand.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely good advice because the numbers are are trending upward at Burden Hand.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: The word's getting out, what a great event it is.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: There's that event in Orlando on September 19th, the Miles2Go 5K.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's for the Miles to Go charity that we talked about in episode 248.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 23 days away.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: There is a discount code for that one, friends.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: If you're in the area, rise and run, all one word, is a discount code for the Miles2Go 5K.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: The Rise and Run 5K in Kissimmee, the week before uh the week before wine and dine.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: I see Jack's raising her hand.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: You going to that, Jack?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_08: Oh yeah.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_08: I still gotta sign up for it, but I'm not worried about it selling out right now.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it'll sell out.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have a code on that.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: I looked yesterday.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: There's still only there is a team rise and run.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: There's still only four people on it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: But I expect those numbers to increase as we get closer to race day there.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Space Coast is coming up, we'll have a meetup there.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Donna Weekend, we'll talk more about later.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: Flying Pig, we'll talk a little bit more about later.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: And if you hey, look, if you've got a race friends that you want us to talk about and help publicize, because you get a lot of people to it.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: There are a lot of rise and runners who may go, and it doesn't have to be down here, it can be, I know there's races in the New York area that people go to, around Philadelphia, around there are other plenty of other places where rise and run friends, even out on the West Coast, where rise and run friends get together.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: And if you'd like us to help you get other rise and run friends to it, just let us know about it.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: We'll mention it in this block here.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's a lot of races to talk about, which means a lot of training.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: I want to ask my friends now how training is going for them.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_06: My training has been going pretty well.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I am hopefully gonna get to do a 10-mile race.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's the same weekend that you guys are doing, bird in hand, that's local to me.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I've been doing a lot of 10 mile um training runs in preparation for that.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_06: And um, yeah, things have been pretty good for weather-wise here.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_06: So it's just working around work schedule and other things that have been going on, but overall, um, I can't complain.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_06: I've been really happy with it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I'm really so I start a I start work at like 7 a.m.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_08: every day and Monday through Friday.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_08: So I work out six days a week.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_08: And because David has to get to work and at by 5 a.m., I usually hear his alarm go off at 3 a.m.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_08: So all of my workout times, because I know it's like I want our schedules to match in a certain way, I started waking up at like 4 10 a.m.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_08: now to go and do my workouts.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_08: And I tell you what, when we are doing the um workouts from Tom, uh, where you know I'm in the I'm at the gym and everything, it is so peaceful and quiet.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_08: Like I'm glad I started switching over to being in the morning because later in the day, if you try going after work, like I'm talking about my apartment gym, it's just there's a lot going on.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_08: And I don't know if you guys ever like go to the gym and you find these people that that are, you know, like the super heavy lifters that grunt like it.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and like just this is really weird.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_08: This one guy is like really weird about it.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_08: So I was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna come in the morning when no one's so there's something to be said about that like four to six a.m.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_06: time window that it's kind of just nice and peaceful.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_06: And um yeah, I don't get up that early that often, but when I do, I I really enjoyed that time.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_08: Well, there's actually a book called The Five, I believe it's called the 5 a.m.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_08: Club.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_08: I just started reading it.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_08: And it's a great book.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, okay, you read it.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, well, I just started reading it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_08: And it's like I've always aspired to be somebody that wakes up early, like before work, takes their time, does what they need to do before they go to work.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_08: And it's like when you get to work, you just already feel accomplished part of your day.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_08: You like you don't feel like you rushed in the morning.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm starting to understand, like obviously it's not 5 a.m.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_08: for me, it's 4, 10 a.m.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_08: But the same sense applies.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_08: Like I get up three hours before work, essentially, to get stuff done.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_08: I feel so much better about myself.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_08: Now, today I didn't I got up at like 5 20.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_08: I still did a core, like an abs workout.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and then my running I did later in the day, which this is the part that I was gonna say, and then I'll stop talking about my training.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_08: So I was like, I'm gonna try like an like a for for the ladies, you have your sports bra on.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_08: It was really hot out, it was like 95 degrees out, and so I put my hand in like the the ice machine, like from my refrigerator, and just let everything fall, and then I tried tucking it in to my sports bra.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_08: And I realized that it didn't work out so well because the sports bra fabric that I was wearing was more like cotton, and so the band on it wasn't very comfortable.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_08: So when the ice is trying to go down, it's just like it was rubbing more than it should have because it's thinking it's creating sweat, and so it rubs more and uh chafe more or less.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_08: And so I I released said ice at like mile point two.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, why don't you just put it in the freezer before you start?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, but I'm not wearing that sports bra again for a run, and I know I should put it, I should have put the ice in like a little zippy bag, and it probably would have been more comfortable.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_08: But I was getting lazy, and also the ice was not there when I came back around, so I think it melted.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_16: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it takes a less long.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_06: You should invent a bra that has like didn't Greg talk about like one that you can put on your neck, you should make one that, like John said, put it in the freezer and then it's already frozen or long, and then it would be cold.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_08: I don't like it when it's like something is tied around my neck because if it's like dragging, I feel like it's like touching my neck and it's like yeah, I just don't like that.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like I'm getting slightly choked.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_08: So I'd rather it be like in like near the chest area just because I feel like that's where your core is, that's where your heart is, it cools it down, lets it like you set.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_08: And I've I've ran like that before, it just didn't didn't work out today.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, do you have that problem, Bob?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: I have a problem with being too warm.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: I don't vomit the same way.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, but that was still that was still helpful.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Jack, I'm glad you shared that.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: I am because a lot of our friends listening got something out of that.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: They try to stay consistent, getting a long getting getting some longer runs in on the weekend.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't have a long, long run this weekend because I did a longer one the week before.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, because I'm still training for the bird in hand, so I'm kind of pushed up a little bit with the uh line and dine training.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm kind of focused on that.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: So this week should be my long run.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: So hopefully everything works out, and I will try not to get brain freeze this weekend.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: John, Jack, you talked about the heat.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I know for some of our friends, uh fall is just around the corner now.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's starting to cool off in parts of the country, not all of the country, but in parts of the country.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's still hot here.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be hot, I think, in uh most of the U.S., probably through the rest of August.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: But more and more you're gonna find yourself uh rising to cooler mornings.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Over the summer and over the years, I am finally learning to uh appreciate running in the heat.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: Don't get me wrong, I don't like it, but I I do know I go out with the attitude that I know this is making me stronger.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: Even if I go really easily, I know that running in this heat.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: When when you listen to the interview with Dean, he's going to say, he's going to call heat a poor man's altitude.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's not quite the same, but he mentions that running in the heat is increasing your supply of red blood cells in an attempt to cool your body off.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: I've mentioned it before that when you run in extreme humidity, when you run in dew points above 75, which a lot of the country doesn't see.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: A lot does, okay.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've had some friends from places you wouldn't expect say, hey, the dew point's 78.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: But dew point is a measure the absolute amount of water vapor in the air.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So when you get a dew point at 75 or 80 or even higher, you've got a pretty significant amount of water vapor in the air.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you're inhaling when you run.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: Water vapor is not oxygen, so it becomes tougher for you to breathe.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: I find 75 and above, I find I can tell that's a little harder to breathe.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: But once again, it's making you stronger.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Look, wait and see.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, people joke about it a little bit, and I'm fine with that.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: You go summer trainings, fall PRs, right, Bob?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Wait and see.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: Wait and see.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: You get out there that first date where the dew point's down or the temperature's down, and you go running, you go, holy cow.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I'm running with supplemental oxygen.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: It'll happen, friends.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Be patient, but John used the word consistent.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: Be consistent.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Consistent will beat motivation, consistent will beat dedicated uh determination.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Be consistent with your training.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna pay off.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna get to your races, you're gonna have a good time.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: So there we go.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I see a lot of friends now as the numbers go up, especially folks who are doing uh uh first time dopey first time marathon, saying I've just finished my longest training run ever.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's a big deal.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, take pride in that.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's going to that's going to become more and more important as we go along.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_09: Caution runners, change of topic ahead.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: We got some medal news today.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wine and dine medals came out.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: What did we think?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_08: Well, Bob, do you want to see your bit first?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're nice.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_08: I have a tradition at the yeah, there you go.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're nice.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll tell you what I really think of them in a minute.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: So we can't have you changing up your trivia answer, Bob.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that was an answer.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, no, they're nice.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: They're nice, they're nice.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: That was one of the questions.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: What does Bob say about the medals?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_06: I think that, like Bob said, they're nice.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I really, really like the Mary Poppins one.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_06: I'm kind of sad that the three caballeros 10k medal is so much like the one that I already have with three caballeros.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: That was a challenge medal, wasn't it?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: It was, yeah.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_06: So, and I realized that not everybody's gonna have that, but it when I saw it, I was like, oh, that looks so much like one that I already have.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: And so that one was disappointing to me.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_06: But um honestly, I'm really excited to earn the the half marathon um Mary Poppins medal.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and as well as the Grumpy Challenge that I know um a lot of people are looking forward to.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and that was kind of a fight for a lot of people wanting to do the Grumpy Challenge to go with their Dopey Challenge.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: Now let's look at them.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: The 5k is that's the Aristocats, right?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a straightforward 5k metal.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: It you know, if become a running gag, they're nice.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: I like the simple metals.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: I like the metals that are colorful and well done, and this looks to be one of those.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: The 10k metal, Alicia already mentions the three caballeros.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: It looks to me, who's the guy in red?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: Who's the caballero?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_04: That's Panchito, what's the case?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, Panchito Jose or is in the right, yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: Panchito Pistolas, yeah, whatever his name is.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: He's the he's the upset.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: So the guy in red, okay.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: It looks to me as though it's and they're all three-dimensional, but it looks to me as though he may be on a spring or something that appears to be raised off of the bass where you have Donald and you have the uh the bird playing the trumpet behind him.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's Jose.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_06: Jose, yeah.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_06: Jose.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: So all right, so nothing super fancy there.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: I can't tell what's up with the half marathon metal with the penguins in the umbrella.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: That looks like a spinner.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what it is?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I like the Bob, you talked about it being simple.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and I mean, yes, it does spin, and that makes it not as simple, but I feel like in general in general, I feel like it's clean, you can read what it says, it it's it's nice without being overly flashy in my opinion.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_06: Um it gives you the whole theme of of what it's supposed to um and really puts a piece to the penguins which um there was one during the marathon that I love to get a picture with.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_06: And so yeah I think it's I like the penguins.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: I do like that and I like the theme of Grumpy and all that that one opens up.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah it's interesting little details on it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: So the cuckoo clock I guess you want to call that right um has a has a pretzel for the face right and it looks like two bratwursts as the as the weights so that's that's a little nice little details the pretzel's not a pretzel it's two circled breads.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_07: It's what a a pretzel loops together these are just two pieces of bread that are stuck on top of each other.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_07: If you look on the inside the pretzel twists but on the outside it doesn't that's just me being super nitpically I don't see I don't see the pretzel on the inside no I don't either there's it's a pretzel right next to Grumby's arm.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah that's really tiny okay the picture I'm looking at is too small I can't see that but it it does actually twist like a pretzel is supposed to um that's just me being nitpicky.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: I love the Mary Poppins medal and am so jealous that I'm not getting it but Bob I also kind of agree with you I really love the 5k medal I think it's so classic I love the gold accents and I mean it looks good it looks good and and I go back to this this my complaint and I have no reason to complain because when I look at the challenge metal and I look at uh Grumpy and the clock and all I go that's a good looking medal but I'm never going to open it up yeah I I'm going to put it on my wall I have medals that open I think the very first one I got was uh uh Wine and Dine Challenge 2017 I think that was a passport and it opened up yeah I've never opened it up once you know I say I haven't either Bob I haven't opened it up in 10 years right so yeah and this one's my thing with the Expedition Everest compass yeah everybody was complaining that it broke and I'm like I only opened mine once I'm still intact.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_08: The ones that light up and then the battery dies and yeah yeah it's interesting and also I just really want to say and I know we we haven't really mentioned this part of it yet but what I truly love about these metals and again the 5k one is my absolute favorite out of all of them.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like Bob I like simplistic and it just looks really nice.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_08: But one other thing that I really like is you know wine and dine is drained like wine and dine at Epcot.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_08: And I like that they actually have a country per medal and I I feel like this um series may lead to another time where they might be able to use the countries again but different countries to kind of change it up for the wine and dine um you know season uh weekend not season weekend so I really think that's really really cool because you got um France you got Mexico you got England and then of course Germany and um yeah I just think that's really well done.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_08: Now I'm like Bob I don't really care for something to open up I kind of forget that I have things like metals that do open up and I never look inside them.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_08: So it's always for me it's usually about the front or the back.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't hurt anything it's just kind of a waste to that point though I am glad that when they've done like things to open up in the past they wouldn't have necessarily put the character on the outside it would be in the inside and I mean Snow White is in the inside of the the challenge but I'm glad that Grumpy is inside and outside same with the spinner for the half marathon you get characters on both sides.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_06: One side has Mary Poppins the other one side has the penguins and both sides say wind on half marathon so no matter which way it's spun you can see what it's for so I think that they kind of thought that through which is nice.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah makes me excited about the other medals for the other race weekends.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I think the medals have been nice I'm going to close this section I opened it you asked me to open it with something I say every time we get medals well I'll close it with something I say every time I get medals I don't care what we say about them when we see them in photos or see them in releases they look great when they hand them to you after you finish.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: Caution runners the topic is about to change right now friends Dean Carnassus was kind enough to join us back in May for our tribute to Jeff Galloway this week we're thrilled to welcome him back and learn more about one of the most extraordinary endurance runners in the world if I tried to list all of his accomplishments I I'm not sure you'd believe me but among others Dean has run 350 miles without stopping completed 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days he's run across America finished in New York started in Disneyland we'll talk about that but as credible and as incredible as all this is Dean's story is about much more than miles and records we really hope to explore what those lessons can mean for all of us whether we're training for an ultra or just simply getting ready to cross a finish line at Disney World.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Dean thanks so much for joining us again we're delighted to have you back here.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for having me run by love it love it.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now let's start here when we last talked with you you were you were about to lead a group on a running tour in Greece.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Can you tell us how that went please?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah well I mean I'll digress a bit I'm a hundred percent Greek and so I've studied um the history of the marathon and uh and classics and I um partnered with Jeff Galloway a longtime friend of mine to do um uh like a tribute to to him uh because he's uh what we call a Phil Halene he loved Greece he loved the story of the marathon he'd been many times but as you know he was getting older so this is gonna be his his final trip to Greece and we put together a group of people and uh you know tragically um a couple weeks before the the trip uh he passed away so I thought we're gonna cancel the trip and then um when I sent out the cancellation notice everyone who had signed up said no let's let's still do it let's do it in honor of Jeff and so it turned out being a great journey lots of um memories you know lots of shared stories and uh a really really great time for all and and I think a a fitting a fitting salute to Jeff fitting tribute and just the fact that the friends wanted to do that just to honor him I think I think that's specialty and I think what you did where there was really nice.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now what makes this kind of trip different from a typical running vacation I I don't know if there is a typical running vacation okay fair enough you know there there are a lot of what they call runcation so a lot of tour operators are doing like there's um you know run running the Alps uh there's one in Patagonia um this is a little bit different because it's more of a cultural tour when you come to Greece so we interweave the history of the marathon we visit the places where you know the the battle took place uh in 490 BC so 2500 years ago you know we go we go to the Acropolis you know we we see all the things um that you know that we celebrate in in modern marathoning but we see it you know where the we we explore the origin story so it's and it's as much about gastronomy I've learned oh yeah the food in Greece is legendary and I think the the the daily running is more excuse to be able to eat more.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_06: Do you feel like with knowing that history of um the Greek history and how it goes with running do you feel like that changes the way you think about the sport?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think it gives a deeper meaning to running a marathon.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people you know I post pictures uh of me in marathon which is a you know a township in in Greece and you know I say um you know here in marathon they say well it looks like you're at the beach you know and I said no no marathon is actually a place uh so many marathoners don't realize that marathon is even a place and then when I tell them the history of the sport um you know it it it gives a richer meaning and a and a deeper level of satisfaction in in completing a marathon because there really is nothing like it and there's no other sport like it uh on earth I mean this this is a sport that originated 2500 years ago after a historic battle a turning juncture in Western civilization and it was all you know attributed to this this foot messenger Fidipides uh so it's it really has a a storied um backstory and you know to to learn about the you know the endeavor of running 26.2 miles uh it it gives it just it it much it's much more in um meaningful to someone when they hear you know where where it all began yeah Jeff always pronounced it phodipides I guess that's the Americanized uh pronunciation but let's go back you mentioned that part of this trip was to honor Jeff and I know there was a ceremony in marathon tell us about that please yeah well the the the mayor of marathon um wanted to do a tribute at the marathon run museum so there's um uh an incredible museum in marathon it's a tr it's um like the history of the marathon and it's it's got um so much memorabilia in there from you know from ancient times all the way through the modern Olympics so it's got every every Olympic marathon it has a a wonderful um like pictorial of it it talks about the winners the temperature the number of participants number of countries it's an incredible museum and it's rarely visited I I still can't believe how few runners go there and every runner I take that goes there is as blown away as me.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: You walk into this place and you just can't re imagine it's a repository of so much history.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um the the mayor of Marathon who speaks very little English um gave a really great tribute uh mostly in Greek uh we translated but it was uh it was very touching I mean there were there were tears flowing it was it was none of us expected to be so moving but you know the words he said and and Greek uh especially um ancient Greek is such an expressive language I mean it it's compared to English it's it's so much more um romantic if you will I mean for instance you know in in in Greek there are four different words for love you know we kind of say love is love but it's it's a a very expressive language and when you translate it into English uh it's romantic and it it was just very touching yeah that's fantastic i'm I'm glad to hear that it went so well I choke up a little bit I wasn't there but I I think it's a wonderful tribute to a wonderful person.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_06: All right Dean so we've heard about um your trip to Greece and the a little bit of the origin story of running but we always ask our guests how did you get started with running especially as an ultra marathoner well I started running home from kindergarten when I was a little boy.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So my literally my earliest childhood recollections are you know waiting for the bell to ring and then once the bell rang I was free and I would run home and this is in Los Angeles.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I was I was born in LA um and this is at a time when it was safe to let a you know a five year old kid you know run a it was about a mile back to my house but I love to run as a boy.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: I ran competitively up until I was a freshman in in high school and I was on the the varsity cross country team uh we we won the championships and I thought okay go out on a high note that's as far as you'll ever take your running career so at 15 I stopped running.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I said that's that's it I'm done with running uh I'll never forget because I threw my cross country shoes up into a tree and they stuck there and they stuck there.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: I said that's perfect.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's a sign.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: So um you know fast forward 15 years you know um two uh college degrees and an MBA so three college degrees a very comfortable corporate job in San Francisco uh and it was the night of my 30th birthday and I was in a bar doing what a lot of dudes do on their 30th birthday I was in there drinking tequila with my buddies and at midnight I told them I was leaving and they said what are you doing?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's your 30th birthday let's have another round of tequila to celebrate and I said no I'm gonna run 30 miles to celebrate my 30th birthday instead and they looked at me and said but Dean, you're not a runner you're drunk.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I said yes I'm still gonna do it.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I I walked out of this bar and I'll never forget I didn't even own running gear at the time but I had on these comfortable silk underwear like these silk box boxer shorts so I took off my pants threw them down the alleyway and just started stumbling into the night heading south knowing there's a town called Half Moon Bay that was 30 miles away and I said just go to Half Moon Bay and you know 10 miles down the road I started sobering up and I thought what the hell what are you doing?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is really a bad idea but I was down I was like in this on this backcountry road and I could see the lights of the runway from San Francisco International Airport off in the distance and it and it was still and there was mist from the fog and it it was though you know the heavens opened and spoke to me and said look be a runner you know you you you hate being a business guy you're not a corporate guy it's not who you are so do what you love just just run.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I somehow I made it to Half Moon Bay and that run uh forever chased the you know changed the course of my life I said I'm gonna quit my corporate job and and be a runner and that was three and a half decades ago and I'm still a runner yeah absolutely isn't that when you called the pizza guy and had him deliver uh out there on the road that that was a that was that was the first time I did my two a 200 mile race so oh okay that was a different run.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah different I ran um you know a couple races one was 100 miles and then there's a 135 mile race which you mentioned before the the show the Badwater Ultra Badwater yeah I can go further than this and I heard about this uh 200 mile 12 person relay race and I thought okay just sign up as a team of one I didn't have 11 friends left at this point so I yeah so I I did this relay race and I was out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night and uh I had no crew but I had my credit a credit card and a Motorola flip phone.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: You remember those Motorola flip phones?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Of course yeah and I think the number was uh 411 or 61 where there's a number where you could dial information.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I dialed 411 yeah and I said can you put me through to a pizza place and they said well there's a round table pizza so I called the pizza place and I said uh don't slice the pizza and uh make it with a really thin crust and they said well where where's your house and I told them I said well just meet me on the corner this random corner out in the middle of nowhere so they brought me this pizza and I just rolled it up into a big like pizzero and I ate the whole pizza as I was running it was great.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah I I loved reading I got I got it mixed up a little bit but I loved reading that story and I love the attitude of the guy who brought it out to you he he was he was just like he was like a surfer dude he's like he comes he was so amazed what I was doing yeah oh awesome hey here's one we touched on in the introduction and I'd like to ask you about a little bit that's that run across America about 3,000 miles you start in Anaheim uh and you end up in New York City back it's back in 2011 how'd you end up starting at Disneyland well um I was I was doing this for um a television program called Live with Regis it was live with Regis and Kelly you know he he since passed away but um they were part of um ABC network and uh and Disney owns ABC so Disneyland said let's let's stage it out of Disneyland you can leave from there and then run to the uh Regis and Kelly studio in in New York City so but it was a in it was amazing I mean they we got to go to Disneyland I mean me and I think they invited like 400 people to start with me we went to Disneyland it was closed but they opened Disneyland for us specifically and you know there's a big firework display when I took off and we all got to run out of the magic kingdom.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was yeah yeah but that's how that's how I ended up starting in you know in in Disneyland which is you know Anaheim it's it's near LA oh yeah oh yeah so that that big old uh Regis and uh Kelly bus that that ended up being headquarters for the trip along the way yeah we had a big logo bus anyway oh yeah it was yeah couldn't miss it I'm sure it drew at all very good after 3000 miles I'm sure it drew a lot of attention I imagine starting this especially at Disneyland like you can't help but feel happy and excited but that's not to say that it's not a feat to go 3,000 miles.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_06: How are you feeling on that first day?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh conflicted like you said I I ran out of there and you're on this adrenaline high and you know the first day I remember it was hot and humid and it started raining and I started getting blisters toward the end and you know I was on this path I didn't have any access to my crew and I thought this is not a good way to start this trip.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it's always when I do these multi-day sort of races it's like the first week where it just crushes you.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can get through that first week it almost your body almost adapts to this new rhythm of just getting up every day at at sunrise running 50 miles and then having dinner and going to sleep and doing it again.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the first week is always really tough.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and it breaks a lot of people a lot of people start these sort of endeavors and the first week they injure themselves or they just you know their their willpower gives up because it is really a struggle I believe that now this one took about 75 days I think 75 days and and not only that um there was you know we did a lot they were broadcasting this um we were doing a lot of live segments so I had to be at certain milestones on certain days at certain times because I mean they're about to go on air live and they you know they had viewership of like six million people so uh it it was yeah and I had to look fresh and happy and you know you know I was just and I was a mess.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: I was chafing you know that's crazy that's absolutely crazy.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um hey any any day I mean that's a good story but any days that stand out uh in the uh in the trip well the other thing we were doing I think we did 10 uh organized 5Ks so we were going to different communities as fundraisers and we're doing an so I'd have to run to the start of this 5k run the 5k and then you know run another 45 miles that day but I remember going to the uh Indianapolis uh 500 motorway and we ran a 5k around the racetrack we were the first people to ever do that so that was that was kind of special time yeah correct me if I'm wrong that's not the first time that you were on Regis and Kelly right you had done a treadmill um endeavor on their show too yes uh I think a yeah a year or two before I was on their it's called their week of records where they have people try to break Guinness book of world records so I tried to set the break the world record for 48 hours of running on a treadmill in their studio.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes yeah how did it how did it go?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh talk about chafing it was not the ideal setup to break the record which I think I think it was like 230 miles at that time and I I made it 212 miles.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah I mean we needed more air ventilation I was in a studio literally on Columbus Square in in Manhattan in this sort of fishbowl window.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: So there were people walking by and ended up being like hundreds of people outside this window staring at me you know two feet away from me but protected by this glass running on this treadmill for 48 hours.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man so every time I had to go to the bathroom anything it was very public.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was oh golly very different than the outside miles that you were used to yes and I'll tell you what to run you know over 200 miles and not to actually move one foot forward is so disorienting.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was like being in a scuba like a scuba gear because you're running running running but you're not going anywhere.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing's changing the scenery's not changing nothing yeah.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah I've done twenty three on a treadmill I can't I can't imagine doing 200 yeah nothing anywhere like that but I I I do relate I
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Long treadmill run, you get off.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's hard to walk.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:03
  unknown: Yeah.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, your legs feel like you.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I felt like it was moonwalking, like Michael Jackson.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Every time I got off on it, I felt like I was on a an L like an escalator.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like I felt like I was moving.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go off script just a little bit here.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: Dean, I thoroughly enjoyed reading Ultra Marathon Man.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: I picked it up, I finished it within 24 hours.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's a PR, by the way, Greg, if I can get a PR bell.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: I kept expecting at some point in that book to read where you had gone to some medical research facility or someplace, and they discovered you had extra red blood cells or an extra lung or something.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: But it's principally mind over matter for you, isn't it?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I I have been um tested and and probed and and so forth.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, they say yes, you know, you're kind of extraordinary, but but I think unless you use the you know the these tools you're given, it doesn't really it doesn't manifest.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they say you have you know incredible VO2 max, you know, your lactic threshold is high.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I say, yeah, every endurance athlete has the same thing.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we all we all do this, we all do this, but you know, the I and I appreciate um the kudos on the book.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one thing that I did is I I wrote the book myself.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of runners, a lot of athletes have ghostwriters, but I said, you know, you I want this to be your true voice.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it might suck, but I can't know.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want my reader to hear my true voice.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want it interpreted by by a trained professional writer.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I I really worked hard on that book.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I wrote a lot of it while I was running.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: I remember I had this Motorola uh digital recorder because we have some, you know, we have some of our clever thoughts when we're out running.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I would dictate into this uh this Motorola recorder, and then I'd just type up, I put it in a near bud and um type up my notes.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's good because I'm picturing you running along with a pencil and a book.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right, all right, not we're not there.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: We're not there, okay.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but yeah, it the fact that you wrote it yourself comes through because it's it's relatable, it's a story.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: You're telling the story, and I could uh I could feel kind of what you were going through.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_03: Not that I but I got the idea and really did enjoy it.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: So kudos for that.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_03: Look, we we've touched on a bunch of runs, and I don't I can't get through all of them.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: Badwater 135.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: How many of those did you do?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's like 12.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_03: I know you won that thing.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you you won uh Mailmasters once and you won overall once, right?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in fact, someone told me I'm the only person that has um 10 badwater finishes and 10 western states finishes.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Western states, yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think I have 12, 12 or 13 western states finishes, but I'm the only one that has you know uh both 10 tenure buckles for for both those races, which is and those are two very iconic, you know, two of the most iconic um ultra marathons.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: That bad water, what's the do you remember the highest temp you saw out there?
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: One year got to 128.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: Good lord.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And and that doesn't even, you know, that doesn't, but but it's Bob, it's a dry heat.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's off Florida, yeah.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh well, okay.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: In that case, let's move on to something important.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: Your shoes literally, the soles of your shoes start to melt or give way or something, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta you gotta run on the white line because the asphalt gets up to over 200 degrees.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: It literally did it'll melt your shoes, yeah.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: And and that probably doesn't help your feet much.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: That race, yeah.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's changed a lot over the you know, I was there this last year, it was a couple weeks ago.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I was um in town.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the previous meeting and and got to see a lot of old friends and and make some new friends, but it's changed so much.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's um, you know, it's a much more international race.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, the the first year I completed it, it was I had one crew member, dear old dad.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Your dad, yeah.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: And and we had one cooler, we had the styrofoam cooler, I'll never forget, at mile 41.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's this place called uh Stowepipe Wells.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like in the middle of Death Valley, in the middle of the day.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I was gonna change into this completely UV protective suit.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I sat down on the on like on the the the the side of the, we had a minivan.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: I sat down on the side of the minivan, and my dad pulled out the cooler and he said, Here, put your feet on this.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I put my feet on the cooler and I changed and we got ready to go.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: He picked up the cooler, and literally the cooler had melted, like my shoes, yeah on the asphalt, and all our ice, everything was gone.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: So we had no nothing cold for nearly a hundred miles.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: And nowadays, I mean, I'm looking at these.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: This guy was showing me his suburban, it's got an ice maker inside the glove box.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're making ice inside it's it's just a different race now.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, no, that that's that's legit.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, technology improves, things improve for runners, shoes get better, yeah.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_03: But still, I don't care.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: Still absolutely remarkable.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: Let's flip it around for another of my favorites in this book.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: You ran a marathon that ended literally at the South Pole.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's that sounds like fun.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: It was supposed to be the inaugural South Pole marathon.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's never there's never been a second.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's never been a second.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to be an annual event, but it was so dangerous being down there, you know.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's races on Antarctica, but they're all along the coastline, as you know.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: And going to the South Pole, you I mean, that's it's 1200 miles inland.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it is it's just it's not made for human uh habitation.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is brutally cold, brutally windy.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's at elevation.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: The South Pole's at 10,000 feet above sea level.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, the ice drifts are over your head, the sestrogi, and the catabatic winds just blow constantly.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: And even, you know, Antarctica is actually the largest desert uh on earth.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's a cold desert.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: And like the Sahara during a sandstorm, because of these winds, it blows the snow is so light because it's there's no humidity and it's so cold.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: It blows snow everywhere and you cannot see.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I remember uh doing a training run with another guy, and he literally fell over.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was like we got vertigo as you're running.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can't tell if you're going left, right, up, or down.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we got weathered in at the South Pole.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I was supposed to be home in 11 days, and I stumbled back into San Francisco 30 days later.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: We got stuck down there, and you know, everything froze.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was in hindsight, it was a miracle we we escaped alive and and that we were able to pull off the marathon because we waited and waited and waited, and and I was getting anxious, like we got to get this done, and and then they're saying maybe we can't do it, and and you do things that are stupid when you've invested so much of your time and effort, and it's not gonna happen.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we yeah, I keep thinking this this is how people die.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, but you didn't.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I mean it took me over nine hours to run a marathon.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh you know, it was it was these snow drifts are up to my knees.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was like running, yeah.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was climbing I was crawling at times.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I believe it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, that's I I was wondering about the winds at the South Pole, how that would work, and apparently they're always there, huh?
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's it's a weird phenomena, they kind of blow straight down on the South Pole, okay, uh, and then they spread outward from every direction, these catabatic winds.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no way to run there without running into a headwind.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's one, and and then you could literally run around the world from there, which I believe you did.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I've I finished the South Pole marathon, and there is a there's a pole at the South Pole, like a candy striped barber pole with this stainless steel orb on top.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm standing there looking at this, and the guy comes up to me and he says, Wow, you know, you're the first man to run a marathon to the South Pole.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to run around the world naked?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Uh, Bob, I think you're you've been spending too much time down here at the South Pole.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like you need to get out of town once in a while, brother.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, No, no, I'm an engineer.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: If you run around the South Pole, you're circumnavigating the globe just at its smallest circumference.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's and I said the same thing.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: I said, it's true, but Bob, it's minus 45 degrees out.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he told me, he said, just don't let any of your appendages touch that stainless steel orb on the top.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_16: Oh, wow, yeah.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: You should be fine.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I ran around the world naked.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think that's ever going to be topped.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: All right, Dean.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_06: So we've talked about a number of things.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but you've covered thousands of miles over the years, and I'm sure seen some pretty amazing things and some scary things.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_06: Do you care to tell us um what the coolest thing you've ever seen was and maybe what the scariest thing that you've seen?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I've had a lot, a lot of encounters with wildlife, you know, snakes, bears, um uh uh coyotes.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've never seen um uh a mountain lion, thankfully, but they say you don't see mountain lions.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_16: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: But um uh, you know, one of the one thing that happened to me when I was running across America, um, I can't, I think we were in uh Missouri and we're kind of running through some swamplands, and I remember bumping into something, something kind of hit my shoulder, and I thought it was a branch from a tree because there's a lot of foliage kind of in the road, and I kept running and I turned around and it was a snake that was hanging down from a tree.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, I ran right into it.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_07: Wow, yeah.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that, yeah.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, I've also uh you know, I haven't really touched on this.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um although I'm an ultra marathoner, I've run you know, hundreds, probably 300 marathons at this point.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I've run, you know, New York City Marathon, I don't know, 15 times.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a lot, lots of big sur, I mean, you name it.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: I've run all the iconic marathons, the regular road marathons.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, to me, uh that's always it, it's it's like a it's like a party atmosphere.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like running an ultra marathon's like you know, like a solo experience.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: But running a marathon nowadays is it's like going to um a rock concert.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're people are taking selfies along the way, and and so I get to hear stories of people.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: And uh these these are just you know some great, great stories that I hear from people.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of them say, Wow, you you know you inspired me to to start running, and now we're running a marathon together, and I'm I'm just amazed they still like me.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think it's fantastic.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: When you start down this path, there's no easy way out.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's follow up on that just a little bit.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: Dean, marathons and people that you've met.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: Any of these that stand out in your mind?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: Any races or any particularly interesting individuals you've met along the way?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I met a woman um when I was running 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days, um, people were allowed to sign up and and and meet me at these marathons because as you know, uh you can't just show up in Dallas, Texas on Tuesday and find a marathon, right?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: So how do you how do you put 50 marathons together in 50 days?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, eight of the marathons were the actual, we were calling the live marathons.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: So like I ran Chicago Marathon with 35,000 other runners.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I ran uh Boulder Back Roads, you know, with a bunch of other runners.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: But 42 of the marathons were what we called recreated marathons.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we contacted the race director for the most prominent marathon in that state and said, Hey, you know, on this random day when we show up in your city, will you set up your official starting line?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: Let us follow your official sanctioned and certified course so that we could have an actual um marathon and finish at your official finish line so we could actually follow the route.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: And 42 race directors said, Yeah, that'd be great.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then we got permits for up to 50 people on this random weekday to come run with me.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, when we they what we would do is like we wouldn't close the entire course like they do on marathon day.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they might close the entire course because, you know, we're just a small group.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we had this like police escort that kept us all together, and we go through these like a roaming uh marathon group, and they closed down the intersections we were going through.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember going to Deadwood, South Dakota, and there was only one runner signed up that day, and she was amazing.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember being at the start with her, and um, we started running, and the first half of the Deadwood Mickelson marathon is like uphill, pretty steep.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: The second half is downhill, and and this woman is just she's just booking.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, What's the rush?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Oh, I gotta get back to the office.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: She was an attorney.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: She's got a zest for life, like she seems like she's driven.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we get to the crass and we start on the downhill half marathon.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to her and ask her about her story.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Well, uh, I wasn't a runner until I until I became 50.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: And this is uh my 50th marathon.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm now 53, and I wanted to run this marathon with you.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: So it's the 50th marathon.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Wow, what got you started?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Well, uh I was diagnosed with terminal breast cancer and given six months to live.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, I said to the doctor, not only am I not gonna die from you know breast cancer, I'm gonna, I'm gonna become a marathoner.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't believe her.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: They said, you know, they thought this is it.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: But here she was.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: She completely um she kicked breast cancer and she became a marathoner.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: But she had a double, she had a double massectomy.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what she said to me?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: She said, they just slowed me down.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: Who needed them anyway?
• 58:41
  unknown: That's great.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Man, you gotta love that.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm real aerodynamic efficient.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you reminded me of you reminded me of something else uh also from the book, Dean.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: And the a couple of those Badwater 135s, you ran and you you dedicated or you fundraised or on behalf of some children who needed transplants.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: And in the book you talked about three.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: And ultimately all three did get their transplants.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any idea how those kids are doing now?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all of them are doing really well.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all they're all following me on social media, but yeah, it's it was a it was amazing.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, the the doctor was putting on this one race.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was a transplant surgeon, so he was the one who got me interested in um recycling yourself, as he said.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: A little blunt, but um, you know, seeing these kids uh with live uh well, a kidney, a liver, and a heart transplant was incredible.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: And this, you know, this is 20 years ago, and nowadays I think it's a lot more commonplace to get these sort of organ uh transplants, but back then it was very risky, and and being and it it wasn't just um a matter of funding, it was uh it was visibility because a lot of times people didn't know they could donate certain organs, and it was connecting, you know, this this thing was more of a network of connecting people that you know had had an organ to donate and someone who in need, so yeah, that's great.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I that is exciting to hear because I transplants, you know, sometimes successful might be three to five years, but these kids are all still doing well and growing up, I guess young adults now.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, young adults.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a couple of them, two of them started running.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_16: That's great.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's fantastic.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, uh we're awestruck by all these things you've accomplished, but I think some of the lessons you've learned may apply to our friends who are listening, who are maybe getting ready for their first dopey challenge.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe getting ready for their first 5K for crying out loud.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_03: What are some of the things that you think carry forward, some of the lessons maybe you've learned that we can apply to the challenges that our friends are taking on?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, one important lesson is that uh you don't have to go fast, you just have to go.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the important thing is showing up and going.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's and and also that it's it's never too late to start.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a Chinese proverb, um, you know, the best the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: The next best time is right now.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you can start today.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, running proves to you that you're better than you think you are and you can go further than you think you can because it's very quantifiable.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you you thought maybe I'm never the person who could run a 5K and you run a 5k and you say, wow, maybe I can try 10K.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then you can do that.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so many people have said to me that, you know, I inspired them to run a marathon because they never thought it'd be possible to run a marathon.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: They thought it's the other, it's the other guy or the other, the other woman, you know, that fit person that goes and runs the marathon, not me.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, but no, you can do it too.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and they train and they, you know, they might do the run-walk technique, whatever it takes.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: It might come in five minutes before the cutoff, whatever, but they finish the marathon.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: And when they get that metal put around their neck, it is like the proudest moment of their life.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: It it transcends everything.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's and it becomes your identity, as you know, you become a runner and and a marathoner.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: And these are things to be very proud of.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_06: We talk about it a lot on the podcast about mental fortitude.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_06: And I know that you talked about in your book having to um have that mental, uh, a good mental standpoint as you're doing these miles.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_06: How do you feel like that separates a successful runner um from one that um may be struggling with the mental aspect?
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think you know, I have a quote.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the there's magic and misery.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think every runner needs to embrace um the suffering because you know, you it's gonna happen.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: There, you know, you you it you're delusional to stand at the starting line of a marathon and say, This is not gonna hurt me.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: It is gonna hurt.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if it doesn't hurt, you're not doing it right.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to hurt.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: So uh embrace the suffering and and you know, and and see it as a challenge to overcome as any other challenge.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, when this suffering comes, just say, Ah, I I love this.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: Bring bring more of this, you know.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: And when it really hurts, say, is this the worst that's ever hurt me, or is it hurt worse than this?
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is the worst that's ever hurt me.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is great.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna get be I'm gonna get through it.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is it's you know right, yeah.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, most people, as soon as they're uncomfortable, they they seek you know, comfort.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that you know, comfort is overrated.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think especially in in our culture now in the US, we're so comfortable we're miserable.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we need these sort of challenges, we need the suffering, we we need the struggle.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's the that's the essence of life.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_03: Getting comfortable being uncomfortable, I think that relates back to training and the importance of training for these things and being consistent in your training.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, there's you know, nothing holds a mirror to you like running, right?
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you you see all your shortcomings, you see all your weaknesses, your transgressions.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there, you know, there's there's no faking your way through a marathon.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it inevitably, when you know, if you do fake it, when you get to that point where the pain starts setting in, you know you faked it.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't fool yourself.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: You you you reflect back and say, God, I was supposed to do that long run on Sunday and I I watched the game and had pizza and a beer.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't I didn't do what I was supposed to do.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Or you look back and you say, I didn't have pizza and a beer when I was all the other my bros are watching the game.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_00: I went out and did my my long training run.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: I paid my dues, I can do this, I can get through it.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the training not only physio physiologically is it is helpful, but psychologically is very helpful as well.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_03: Couldn't yeah, thank you.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: Now, there's a level of excitement that all of our friends get when they sign up for these races and they get started into the training.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say that the three biggest days, and we use marathon weekend at Disney because that's the big one.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_03: I say the three biggest days are the day you get uh registered, the day you start training, and the day you cross the finish line.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_03: I said, in between it's gonna suck.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_03: I said, So how do you stay motivated when that excitement wears off and you're not towards the end yet?
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know, I'll quote um uh the oracle at Delphi, since I'm Greek, is you know thyself.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you need to look inward and say, you know, what is my personality like?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um for me, I know I'm very much an introvert, so I enjoy running solo and I look forward to it.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like my escape, it's escapism, if you will, but it's my chance just to be by myself and and and think for myself and enjoy uh the environment.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not, you know, when you run with someone else, you're a lot of times conversing with this other person, or you're it's more about the group dynamics.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I really look forward to these long solo runs because it fits my personality.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: Other people are very extroverted and they they need accountability.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: So if that's the case, then you know, sign up for uh at a running group or club, or go to your local run specialty store and they'll have group runs and sign up for those.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then you become part of this community of runners and then you hold each other accountable.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know you have your uh Wednesday after work run, you know, your Sunday morning long run, and they're expecting you to show up.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you know, if if that's your personality type, then train like that.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_06: As we begin training for Marathon Weekend, almost all of us are in these summer months and it is hot, and all across the United States it's been hot this summer.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_06: What advice would you give for individuals listening that are training in that summer heat?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, heat is uh poor man's altitude.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: So training in heat, you know, increases your blood volume.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it's good.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's good for training the heat.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, come race day, it's gonna be hot.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, train to for the conditions you're gonna be racing in.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm always amazed at people that are like racing the bad water ultra marathon, they get up early when it's cool to do their training run.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, no.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you need to run through the middle of the heat and the in the in the day.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would say um embrace the heat.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, uh learn that it's it's helping you.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: So see it as your as your friend.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um that said, I would also say, you know, cover up.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: I I've learned just from a lot of racing in the heat that to me it's better to have like UV protective arm sleeves on uh versus putting on sun sunscreen or even sunblock.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: My body, you know, I you a lot of times your pores get a little bit clogged up if you put on sunscreen or sunblock.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's really, really hot, I say, you know, get get the right, the right gear, get some UV protective arm sleeves, get a nice brimmed hat.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: So keep the sun off of you.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_03: Is is there a mistake in training that you see runners making over and over again?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think people sometimes, you know, if they have a trainer, they sometimes um force themselves to do runs based on schedules versus on how their body feels that particular day.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that um, you know, l listening to there's there's something about listening to your body.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't, you know, I I can talk uh as an N of one, but I've noticed as I've gotten older, as I've matured, uh I cannot um tolerate the the base mileage I used to put on.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I used to run 100, 150 mile weeks routinely.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_00: That would kill me now.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I I've changed the way I train.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_00: I do a lot more um HIT training, so high interval you know, um training, a lot less mileage.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I do a lot of nose breathing, so like forced hypoxia, not because I'm one of those fanatics that believes, you know, everything you should be breathed through your nose, but because it makes the workout harder.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you get a lot uh better return for your workout um investment in a shorter amount of time with less impact.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it forces you to slow down because you're you just can't, you're you're in oxygen debt constantly.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you're you're you're not running as hard on your joints.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm doing a lot more hill repeats.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm changing the way I run all you know completely based on you know my age and uh my ability to tolerate those, you know, those crazy mileage I use I used to run.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_06: All right, Dean.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_06: So we've been talking about doing the actual miles, but let's go into recovery.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_06: You ask a tremendous amount from your body while you're training for these distances.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_06: Has your approach to recovery changed over the years?
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: Not so much.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it should have, but um, you know, I I kind of follow the same the same recipe.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm very much into active recovery.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I always recommend to someone that day after big effort or marathon or ultra marathon that the next day they run.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I say run, I mean more like shuffle, you know, jog.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's two miles, just get your heart rate elevated, get your body moving.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I also say drink a lot of just plain water after the race, just clear until you're peeing kind of clear.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_00: So drink a lot of water to kind of flush out your system.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm also very much into ice baths I mean, I've been doing ice baths for uh a long, long time.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I'm still into high-quality protein.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I'm I eat salmon, like wildcot salmon, which has a lot of omega-3s.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very good source of easily digestible protein.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I found the omega-3 fatty acids really helped me with recovery.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I do.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of stayed consistent throughout my career and it it kind of works for me.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm my recovery is still very, very quick.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, even after you know, big ultra marathons.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um the next day I'm feeling okay.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Dean, is there something that keeps you excited about running after all these years?
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, can I keep going?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the it used to be about um speed, now it's about longevity.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I always I tell people, um, you know, my my finish line is a pine box.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, every every time I start thinking to myself, ah, you're getting too old to run these hundred miles, these 200 milers.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I read these stories about men and women in their 70s, 80s, 90s that are crushing marathons or even ultra marathons.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, you still got a lot of life left in you.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, um that that's that's kind of what keeps me going.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and new challenges.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, I'm spending a lot more time in Greece nowadays, so there's incredible races in Europe and Greece.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I just did uh a marathon at um Mount Olympus, which is where Zeus is from and then and the nine gods.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, you wanna you wanna you wanna talk to Zeus, sign up for this marathon.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: It starts at sea level, goes up to 10,000 feet, like the top of the mountain, and then it comes back down to sea level.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's basically straight up a mountain and straight down.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's technical, rocky terrain.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, very difficult terrain.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's that that is by far the toughest marathon I've ever done.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Probably one of the toughest marathons on earth.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay, marathon.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Marathon, yeah, marathon.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, this in November, I'm gonna do this attempt this race that um follows the footsteps of you say Phidipides.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: So following the footsteps of Phipedes.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it's correctly, that's good.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Phodi Petes.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it starts in um Athens, it uh goes to Sparta, so it's about 150 miles, and then it goes back to Athens, which he did, you know, because he he got this, if you know the story, uh, and then he ran to Marathon.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so the race finishes in Marathon, so it's about 325 miles, but then you know, most people don't even know about that story.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just uh explained.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: They know about the final run from Marathon.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought, why does the race end in marathon?
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: It should end back in Athens, so I'm gonna go back to Athens afterward, uh, just to do the complete route that he supposedly did.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_03: What I learned, what I learned about Phoidi PD is I learned from Jeff, because he was a big student.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, I mean, the the man was he was not a a runner for the sake of running, he was basically an ambassador, correct?
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was part of a class of citizens called hemothromy, which means daylong runner, all day runner.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, they were they're foot couriers, foot messengers, uh, they're heralds, and you know, the Greeks um realized that in the rocky and uh rugged and and hot terrain of southern Greece, a man could outrun a horse.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, uh Fidi Pidi's name literally translates into spare the horse.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's the translation of his name.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, why send a horse when you can just send this foot courier?
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get there faster.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the, you know, why kill a horse?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Spare it.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so these these, you know, they'd run around Greece.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a faster internet.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: They they'd uh share intelligence, that gather information, that convey information, these foot foot heralds, and that's basically what Fidi PC was.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was a he was a trained professional foot herald, and they worked for the state.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was his job.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was his job.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_03: But he'd also have to think on his own because he didn't have instant messaging back to headquarters.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: So no, they were they were statesmen.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: And and in fact, um, you know, because I I've also written a book, uh, it's called The Road to Sparta, if you want to learn about this history.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they he had to show up in Sparta.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: So after running 150 miles, and what Herodotus said was uh arriving the next day after setting out, so sub-36 hours is kind of the interpretation.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: He had to show up energized, coherent, because if the Spartans saw him as just trashed, they would think we're not gonna send our army to help the Athenians because these guys are getting slaughtered.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're gonna try to protect our own city state of Sparta.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: So he had to show up, you know, and and say something very eloquent and and convincing to get the Spartans to deploy to marathon to help battle the Persians.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they were very much statesmen as well, and they were you know trained orators, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting, thank you.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, The Road to Sparta, another book.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_03: You you've written a couple books here.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_03: I got a list, uh, Multra Marathon.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about uh secrets I learning, secrets I learned running 50 marathons in 50 days.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 50-50.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Then a runner's high.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_03: Are are there others?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Runner's high is uh that my latest one.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_00: The runner's high is kind of a sequel to Ultra Marathon, Matt.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's going back to Western states, you know, 30 years later and running the same race.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: That was, you know, kind of my my introduction, you know, my origin story of ultra marathon and going back 30 years later and you know how I changed, how the world had changed, how the racing had changed.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not I'm not joking one little bit.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_03: When we finish up here, I'm heading to Amazon.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm I'm down.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_03: I've downloaded for my Kindle.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think you'll like a runner's eye.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you'll like it.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all over it.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'll send you a note.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let you I'll send you a note this time tomorrow.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'll let you know I'm finished.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you mentioned uh, you know, you're still active.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_03: What's your next big adventure?
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm in a place called um, I'm in California now, in a place called Mammoth Mountain.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um I'm doing some altitude training uh in preparation for this um 350-mile run in in November, which is what I just described, uh Athens you know, sports athletics.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, right, right.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm training for that.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'll probably do a couple.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm obviously going to do the Athens Marathon in November.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: So the first week of November.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I've got a group coming over actually um to run the Athens Marathon, a group of um from the US.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think we have about 25 runners signed up.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, if anyone listening to this still wants to run the Athens Marathon, um, tell them to get in touch with me.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I still have some um some bibs.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Bibs will get it's been sold, it's sold out in like six hours, but I still have I think five bibs left.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll tell you what, don't expect to PR at Athens.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well, yeah, I've heard about that.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_06: Elevation, yeah.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard about that.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a race to enjoy, not to PR.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_06: As we wrap up, where can our friends follow you for your latest projects?
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Someone said if you type in Dean into like a Google, I'm the first, I'm the first Dean that pops up.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm easy to find.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can type in my name into a certain, yeah.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a website, you know, I've got social media, you know, there's links.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Amazon has links to all my books.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And oh yeah.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_06: And finally, if you could leave our Ryzen Run family with one message as we prepare for another Run Disney season, what would that be?
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I would say it it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_00: What matters is how many times you get back up.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Dean Carnassus, man, that hour went by pretty daggum quickly, buddy.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_03: We really appreciate you.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_03: What a legendary, amazing story you have to tell.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you so much for coming back here and sharing it on the podcast.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're so welcome.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Dean, thanks.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: I man, I really look forward to seeing you someday.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_00: I look forward to sharing some footsteps together someday.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be even better.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be awesome, buddy.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very, very much.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you saw it down for me, folks.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_09: Caution runners, change of topic ahead.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Love the interview.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much, Dean, for giving that time to us.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_03: If you're curious, friends, why it was just Alicia and I on the interview, Dean could only get to us at three o'clock in the afternoon in the middle of the week.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_03: So she and I were the only two available.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_03: But boy, I just I had a great time.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_03: I said during the interview that I read Ultra Marathon Man as fast as I've read any book that I can recall.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because I was just glued to it.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_03: I found it interesting.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_03: I found it, and this is what gets me.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm never gonna do anything close to what Dean Carnassus does.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Very few humans are.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Not necessarily fast or anything, but maybe you can continue to run for years to come.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_03: I loved that book.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_03: As again, as I mentioned, I don't know if I mentioned this during the interview, or I think we spoke a couple minutes after we stopped the recording, and I told Dean, okay, I have now downloaded a runner's high to my Kindle.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll start reading.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think I said something, I'll start reading it this afternoon.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_03: I should be done by tomorrow night.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It didn't quite go that fast.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_03: But it's another excellent book.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of and I I again it's been a couple weeks.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_03: I cannot remember exactly what we talked about.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Alicia, I don't remember if he mentioned Runner's High during the podcast or not.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_06: I don't remember if it was during the podcast, but he said that it was his experience years later doing Badwater.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um and so it's kind of the the sequel-ish to Ultra Marathon Man, which um yeah, I'm about halfway through Ultra Marathon or Runner's High.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the the culmination on Runner's High is uh is the uh Western States, Western States 100.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_03: And um here's what I here's what I found, and I I wrote this in a note to Dean is that if you want to learn about Dean Carnassus the runner, read Ultra Marathon Man.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to learn about Dean Carnassus the Man, read a runner's high.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_03: He he he opens up a little more and shares some of what makes him tick.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just tickled to death with the interview.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh happy to read both books, and as I said, I found them very motivational.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Hope you enjoyed that, friends.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_03: We enjoyed recording it for you.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: Now, not straying too far from the whole idea of ultra marathons are significant endurance events.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_03: Our friend Arno Tesser.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Arno was on the podcast early on.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have the episode here in front of me, it was around episode 50 that Arno joined us.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Great guy, lives in the Netherlands, big social media presence.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_03: Run Arno Run.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_03: He's on Facebook, he's on Instagram.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_03: He is going to take on a challenge.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he joined us.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'll let him tell you about it.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_09: Caution runners, change of topic ahead.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_03: Friends, it's been a while since we visited with our next guest.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, the last time Arno Tessers was here was, golly, I think it was episode 33.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Four plus years ago.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_03: Time flies, buddy.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_03: But Arno, it's good to have you back here.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to the Rise and Run Podcast.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_11: It's good to be here.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited for you.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us everything that's happened in the last four and a half.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_03: You had an injury, and you were told you wouldn't be able to run pain-free again.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, of course, what you decided to do was well, tell our friends what you decided to do.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_03: To run again.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll say so.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_03: But now you've got big plans.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_11: I was told uh that I was never gonna be able to run a marathon, and uh I did not agree.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_11: So uh after uh yeah, some hard training, some a lot of exercises, I actually got to a point where I'm pain-free again.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_11: Oh wow, that's great.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_11: Uh I've I've run some marathons since, and uh now the plan is to run uh all nine marathon majors uh in 2027 in one year.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_11: That is something that I never thought I would do again, so yeah.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_03: Nine marathons, probably less than 365 days, five continents.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_11: When do you get started?
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_11: The first one on the list uh right now is Tokyo.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_11: If I uh I haven't secured a bib yet, but so if I don't get in, then the year starts a little later.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_11: Uh then I'll do it as the last one uh race.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, run them around, yeah.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, but uh yeah, that's the first race in 2027, so hopefully Tokyo, and then going on to Boston after that.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_11: When is Tokyo?
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_11: February, March?
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_11: Uh March, uh March 7th.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_11: You've done world majors before.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I've actually done Tokyo already.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_11: Uh I've done uh all five except for Boston.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_11: And Boston is yeah, the one I'm missing for my six star uh medal.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_11: But uh I I've been training to try and run a qualifying time, but the race that I'm running is in October.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_11: So if I qualify, then that'll be for 2028.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's after the cutoff, yeah.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_11: And I never expected it, but I I've been on a waiting list for with a travel agent for years, and they sent me an email uh a couple weeks ago saying, yeah, they have a spot for me.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_11: So I got in for 2027.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's great.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's exciting, it fits right in.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Are are any of these close together?
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, are you going to be running one week in Asia and then one week in Europe or something like that?
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_11: It's it's the worst possible way as well, because uh Boston uh is well, it's the only race that's on a Monday.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, right, right.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_11: And then uh London uh is a week after, and this year, because it's a double, it could well be on Saturday.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Having said that, I think we've had some friends do uh Boston and then London in the past.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's a challenge.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's impressive.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_03: Now you're in addition to doing these uh nine world majors in 365 days, which nobody's done before, right?
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: To your knowledge.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_11: Uh the the ninth major isn't actually official yet.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_11: So uh Shanghai is uh uh yeah, they have they have to be tested in December, and if they get through the test, then they'll be uh a major the next year.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, and there's every reason to expect that they will.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's a foregone conclusion.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, you'll be the first, uh you'll be the first up.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing some filming in conjunction with this, correct?
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_11: I'm uh yeah, I'm a filmmaker, youtuber, so I figured uh this would be a good opportunity to make a documentary about my entire journey and the the whole attempt of running all nine majors.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_11: So uh I've uh I'm doing that as we speak now.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_03: Friends Arno's videos are great.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think uh I think the uh Netherlands Chamber of Commerce, if there is such a thing, uh should owe him money because his his clips running through some of the cities in his in his home country and around his home city are gorgeous and really, really well done.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_03: I congratulate you on those.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_03: Fun to watch.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_03: So if our friends want to know more, if they want to follow you on this journey, and maybe most important, if they want to help you out with defraying some of the costs, how can they do it?
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_11: Of course, follow my uh my journey on uh on YouTube and my Instagram.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_11: It's both uh run are no run.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_11: And there's uh GoFundMe that's uh that's there, and for like uh businesses, I'm uh actively looking for sponsors uh to the collaborations for the video work, things like that.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_11: So uh I'm very active doing that now in preparation.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_11: So uh but yeah, my uh my Instagram and uh and YouTube are are very uh up and running at the moment.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, they're worth following as it is.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_03: Highly recommended.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, look, my friend.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_03: Best of luck to you.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_03: We'll be cheering for you.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna talk to you again.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, maybe maybe this time next year.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_03: You'll be about halfway through.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and see how it's going.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then we're counting on seeing you when you wrap up.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_03: What will be the last one if they go as you expect?
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_03: You did say Tokyo may flip-flop, but let's assume Tokyo goes first.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_03: What will be the last one?
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_11: Then the last one will be uh Shanghai.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_11: That will be my uh official ninth star.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_11: Uh also the name of the documentary that I'm making, the ninth star.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_11: The ninth star.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_11: Uh and that's why I want to keep it in that order because that'll be the place where they'll handle the medal.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_11: So yeah.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_03: That would be ideal.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_03: Arno, thanks for joining us.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for telling our friends all about it.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_03: We'll keep yeah, we'll keep our butt our friends posted on how you're doing, and uh, we look forward to talk talking to you again.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_11: Okay, thank you.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_09: Caution runners, the topic is about to change right now.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I've heard from Arno since the interview, which also was conducted a while back.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_03: He has learned that he's in for Cape Town and in for he said one other, but he didn't say which one.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's still waiting to hear what's going to happen for Tokyo to find out whether he starts in Tokyo or ends in Tokyo next year.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_03: Nine marathons, 365 days, nobody's done it before.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_03: If you can help him out, great.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, he told you how when we were chatting with him.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, friends, taking a look at what's coming up.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Our next Zoom get together will be Thursday evening, September 3rd.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_03: September fall, just around the corner.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_03: On the second, that Wednesday, I'll be available at 3 p.m.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_03: for a Zoom.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm calling it the EuroZoom.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll see how many of our friends from Europe or anywhere else who want to join us at 3 p.m.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_03: on Wednesday.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_03: My goal for one of those is I want to be the guy with the accent.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_03: I want to have enough friends there from across the pond that I'm the one with the accent.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Last time we had two people with accents, they were both from the UK.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_03: And we had some other friends join us here from the States.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_03: So 3 p.m.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wednesday, everyone's invited, but the reason it is at 3 is so our friends in Europe have an easier time joining.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then our standard 8 p.m.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Thursday, hope to see you there.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Upcoming episodes next week, Devin Siebold, the theme park comedian.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you've seen some of his work on uh YouTube or Facebook.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_03: He'll be joining us for episode 258.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And now, please stand clear of the door.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's time for a race report.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_03: The race report sponsored by our friend Thomas Stokes, Stoked Metabolic Training, Stokes.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Tom's got a new challenge starting pretty soon.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have details right now.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think he's registering people yet.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think he just announced it.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_03: But we'll get with him, find out more information, and get back to you on that next week.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Let's take a look at the races starting on Saturday.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Greta's great Gallup 10K in New York City celebrating the legacy of Greta Weitz.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_03: All right, gang.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Where is the Greta Weitz statue in Technical?
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's in Norway.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Or Austria.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's in Norway.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's over there.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh if you're heading, if you're on the race loop and you're heading back to the bathrooms in Norway, say hi to Greta on your right.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_03: She's actually before you get to the what is the exit to the bakery back there.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_03: You ever seen that?
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Paid attention to that statue, John?
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's an ugly statue.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_04: I was not going to say that, but yes.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_04: It really is.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_03: We're not saying Greta's ugly.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's just No, no, no.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_03: The statue's pretty rough looking.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_03: But what I mean, she's a legend, and the nation is very, very proud of her as they should be.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_03: We had several friends there.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_03: Divya was there, as was Caitlin.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_03: Brenna and Nikhil ran it.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's a fun local 10K.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Over 8,500 finishers.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's a big deal.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_03: Instead of the usual post-race bagels, they got popsicles.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's summertime.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_03: That makes sense.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_03: Something to look forward to after a 10K is a popsicle.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_03: Moving on down to Texas.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's the Shark Week 10K.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Brandy and Audra were there.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_03: Brandy looking very menacing in her shark costume.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_03: At least she thought she was menacing.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_03: The race announcer kept referring to her as Baby Shark.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Doot doot do doot do doot baby.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's enough.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Please, Bob.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, uh Brandy ends up being the feature character stop on the course.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_03: A great looking t-shirt for this one.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_03: I thought that was neat and the metal looked good too.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_03: Up in Binghamton, New York, they ran the RRCA Women's Distance Festival 5K, and Steve was there, not as a participant, but as a volunteer, his third time volunteering at the event.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_03: His job, stopping traffic and directing runners from the road to the trail.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_03: Steve said his favorite participants were a mom who would carry her six-year-old son Piggyback when the boy got tired.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Steve encourages all of us to give volunteering a try.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Stephanie was in Muckle TO, Washington, doing the Runamuk 10K.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Stephanie, first thank you for the pronunciation guide.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate that.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_03: I might have got close, but you helped me nail it.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_03: Her sixth ever 10K since she started running about nine months ago and got her second best time.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is the first 10K where she used the run-walk-run strategy.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Great running weather for this, and she's getting ready.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see Stephanie at Wine and Dine.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Let us move now to Sunday and start in the city of brotherly love, Philadelphia, the Philly 10K.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_03: We had a couple friends there, Alan and Yvette, but we only have one here with us on the Race Report Spotlight.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yvette, glad to see you.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Rise and Run Podcast.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for having me.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_03: We are glad you're here.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_08: So, Vett, how'd you get started with running?
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_05: My mom was diagnosed with heart disease, and she ended up passing away from it.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_05: So it was a wake-up call for me that I needed to do something for my health.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I joined a gym, and I was just walking on the treadmill, and I saw all these people running, and I was so jealous because I just wanted to do what they were doing because they made it look so easy.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_05: And somebody had pointed me to Couch to 5K and I had done couch to 5K and I would get to week five, and I just could never ever get past week five.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_05: And somebody then pointed me in the direction of Galloway, and that just changed my life.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_05: You know, as soon as I found out that it was okay to walk, I thought the whole purpose was you had to run the whole thing or it didn't count.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_05: And so as soon as somebody said no, not only is it okay, but there's an actual method to doing it.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_05: And you can do a whole half marathon doing run, walk, run.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_05: And and gosh, light bulb moment, it it changed my life because then I went from couch to half marathon in six months.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_05: And once I crossed that finish line for that half marathon, uh it just became like an addiction.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_04: So Yvette, can you uh tell us about this this race?
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what what's it about the course and some of the fun things on this race course?
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_05: So the Philly 10K, this was their 13th year.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_05: And it's a 10K, they actually closed the roads in South Philly, and there's a lot of iconic spots along the way.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, one of the spots for anybody who's familiar with Philly and cheesesteaks, um, one of the spots is packs and genos.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_05: So they're actually caddy corner from each other.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um, they're a true Philadelphian would never say that they're the best cheesesteaks, but they're the ones that everybody seems to know because they're right across from each other and there's the whole cheesesteak war.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so anybody who comes in as a tourist, that's where they want to go.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Yvette, did you stop and grab a cheesesteak on the route?
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_05: No, but I smelled them cooking them and it was I was starving.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_05: I couldn't get past the finish line.
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh bad.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then after uh you passed Pat's and Gino's, you go to the you go through the Italian market.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_05: And for anybody who's watched Rocky, especially the first Rocky movie, you'll actually see him in his gray sweatsuit.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_05: And he's when he's training and it's early, early in the morning, and you see him running through the Italian market and the people coming out and putting out their fruit and and their vegetables and and things like that.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_05: So that was really cool to go through there in the morning and see everybody bringing their fruit and vegetables out.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody threw an orange at you, like they threw a Rocky.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_05: No, that would have been cool.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_04: Now, if I was the race director, was there music there?
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Was like the Rocky theme going?
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_05: No, no.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_05: There was um when you're waiting in on South, because it starts on South Street, which is also iconic in South Philly.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_05: So it starts on South Street, and they have the the MC, I guess you would call him, and he's playing music and he's trying to get everybody, you know, riled up to cross the start line.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so there's music there, and then there's music at the finish line, but that's it's it's believe it or not, it's fairly quiet, but you do it run through a lot of neighborhoods, and so a lot of the kids and a lot of the families come out and sit on their front stoops and cheer you on as you're going along.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Now, this is not the Rocky Run.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about that earlier.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_03: There is a run in Philly called the Rocky Run.
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the Rocky Run is is over by the art museum.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_05: This one's in South Philly.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it if you watch the Rocky movie, Rocky runs through so much of the city.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_03: I I think if he actually did that run all in one without stopping, it would have been something like 24 or 25 miles or some crazy number like that.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, a lot of historic landmarks and scenery there.
• 1:39:07
  SPEAKER_05: And it's flat.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_05: I think I looked at it, it was like 50 feet of elevation over the whole 10K.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_05: So, and you don't even realize that there's even any elevation because it's so flat as you're running along.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're right.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_03: Is it an out and back, or is it loop around starting?
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's a loop finish where it starts.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it starts and ends at South Street.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_03: And when you got there, they ran out of bananas.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, that was a disappointment.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_05: So the one positive thing, because I did write to the race director after, because this is my third year doing it.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_05: The volunteers, I just want to make sure that I give kudos because Philly always comes out in spades and and and they volunteer when they call for volunteers, there's no shortage of them.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_05: And being a back-of-the-pack racer, the people were still cheering just as loud for me as they were for the people that were an hour ahead of me.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I I just want to put it out there that like the volunteers were great.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I made it a point because I I think I mentioned this in my race report online, because my nerves were really bad that morning.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_05: It did rain all night.
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, and I just was so nervous.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I just decided I was just gonna take it easy, and I wanted to make it a gratitude run, and I just wanted to thank all of the first responders, and I wanted to thank all of the volunteers because I don't think people thank them enough.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_16: Nice.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_05: So it was so nice just passing the policeman as I was going by, and there was a uh a fire department that you know, all the firemen were standing out frontiering people on and the volunteers.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it was a lot of fun, and it made it a lot of fun doing that.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_05: And then I was so excited, I crossed the finish line, I felt great, and I got my medal, and I went for that banana, and for the third time in a row, they were out.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I did write to the race director and mention to her that it was a shame that they had run out of bananas.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_05: Her excuse was that some people take multiples and don't leave any for people behind them.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'll bet she's right, but she's got how many years of experience now to know how many more bananas she needs to get.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not like bananas are not that expensive.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_03: But they're not that expensive in today's market.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not it it's not a small race, but it's not like when you go to Rocky Run, you're talking over 30,000 people at the Rocky Run.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, I didn't know that.
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, this race is maybe 4,000.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it's not you know, it's not a huge race, it's limited because of where it is, because it's all through South Philly.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, you would think that by now they would be a little bit better prepared for you know, Rocky Run, like I said, is huge.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_06: All right, what our listeners can't see is your amazing metal collection behind you.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_06: So we're wondering where are we going to see you next at a race?
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_05: Bird in hand.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, tall.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_03: Bird in hand, Pennsylvania.
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_03: Just a couple weeks away.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_08: I just have to know.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I know our listeners can't see it, but my goodness, that is quite a collection.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_08: Do you know how many races you've done?
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_08: No, I haven't counted mine, but like yours.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, that's that's a that's a good amount of races.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_08: That I'm so jealous.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it's it's I'm guessing, because now I have a whole collection over here, too.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_05: I'm guessing it's about a hundred.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_05: I'm addicted.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_05: Like I said, I crossed that finish line that first time, and it just yeah, you know, the endorphins kick in, and and I get to meet people and you know, make friends and yeah, like community.
• 1:43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Yvette, it sounds like a fun event.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds like you had a good time.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, well, I just said it.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see you in a couple weeks in uh south central Pennsylvania.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_03: Until then, though, thanks for joining us.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_03: Happy running.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thanks for having me.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Yvette.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, Alan was also at this race.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Alan was going for a proof of time for Princess for next year.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_03: Once again, B Coral thinks he should make it.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_03: So that was a good time, good event for Alan, also.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Our friend Rachel was at the summer meltdown 5K.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_03: I assume this is somewhere in and around Houston, but when I went to look for summer meltdown 5Ks, that's a very popular name for races at this time of year.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_03: So they were all over the country.
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure exactly where that was.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_03: I know that our auto fare New Hampshire 10 Miler was in New Boston, New Hampshire, because Sam was there.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_03: She's training for Goofy.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Trusted intervals kept training and ended up with an eight-minute 10-mile PR.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Now, just shy of a run Disney proof of time, but she says maybe next year.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_03: I say definitely next year, if not before, Sam.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_03: Good job.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_03: We had the Cleveland Metro Parks Whiskey Island 5K.
• 1:44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Michael was there, first time running this race.
• 1:44:29
  SPEAKER_03: This one benefits the Cleveland Metro Parks Canine unit.
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_03: He used Run Walk Run for a new 5K PR.
• 1:44:38
  SPEAKER_03: Only his second time PR, but this one was more than six minutes faster than the first one back in March.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_03: Great job.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_03: Out in Des Moines, Iowa.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_03: A couple folks ran the Summer Sizzler 15 or 10K.
• 1:44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Angela ran the 15K, spent the first five miles running with Sarah.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Sarah then broke off and finished running with her daughter.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_03: This is Angela's first 15K.
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's a PR.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_03: Beautiful weather, beautiful course, and a great training run for marathon training.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_03: Sarah, as we mentioned, ran for ran with Angela, then broke off, ran the last quarter mile with her daughter.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_03: Up in Connecticut, Katie ran the old Weathersfield 10K.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_03: It was rainy, but the cooler temperatures felt nice.
• 1:45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Her first race since having her second daughter six months ago.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_03: Went in looking for a PR and P.O.T.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_03: Nailed them both.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_03: Way to go, Katie.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_03: Let's wrap things up in Canton, Ohio, at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, where they have an annual half marathon.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Lori was there.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_03: Nice running weather in Ohio also.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Race starts in the stadium there around the Hall of Fame.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_03: Goes out to the neighborhood streets.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_03: She ran this race with three other people.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_03: She became an unofficial Galloway pacer.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, it was Hilly, but the miles flew by running as a group.
• 1:46:07
  SPEAKER_03: They ran 40 28 intervals.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_03: Not the most common, but it worked and it felt great.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_03: Second fastest half since she had her knee replacement about two years ago.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, friends, that does it for the race report for episode 257.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Sure hope you enjoyed this one.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_03: Friends, and if you run, you know you are our friend.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Training's hopefully going well for you.
• 1:46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Lots to go.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to see some of you pretty soon.
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_03: The days are getting shorter until we're all back together.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_03: But until then, happy running.
• 1:46:53
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• 1:47:02
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