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Where are Britain’s worst airspace hotspots? - The FLYER Show - 22nd October 2026 · Flyer Magazine

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  SPEAKER_04: This is the Flyer Show in podcast form from the team at Flyer.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's your weekly dose of General Aviation news, views, and flying chat.
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  SPEAKER_04: In this episode, we're looking at the UK's airspace traps, or should that be hot spots, plus, as the usual observations, digressions, and opinions from the team.
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  SPEAKER_04: If you'd like airplanes, airfields, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome to this week's Flyer Show from a not so sunny Wadswig.
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  SPEAKER_04: My name's Ian Steeger, I'm Ed Hicks, and I'm Dave Calderwood.
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  SPEAKER_04: In this week's show, we'll be looking at the UK's infringement traps, and there are quite a few.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um so before we carry on, I'd like to say a huge thank you to Sky Demon for supporting this.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's a good tool, and I know it's I know someone was doing their um their skills test recently to move from a lapel to a full PPL in an aeroplane without a POR, and the in the examiner said no, that's a perfectly reasonable way to um do a bit of radio nav.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, I guess it is, follow the old bean bow and all that.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all right.
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  SPEAKER_04: I remember DIs.
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  SPEAKER_04: Now I've got an HSI.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_04: And a variable size one as well, just spin.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, mine doesn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_04: You can do that as much as you like in the old G5 and it doesn't change.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh not the power of Sky Demon.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: No, not the power of Sky Demon.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right, should we have some news?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: I guess I'm I'm I'm up for kicking off on this, and and that this comes from yesterday, the Civil Aviation Authority published, wait for it, the Airspace Modernisation Strategy Deployment Plan, version three, CAP 1711B, if you really want to go and read it for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_04: I warn you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Numbers and letters.
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  SPEAKER_04: If you want to go and read it, it it's it's it's a bit of a beast.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um anyway, so it says here that subject to consultation and legislation, and I give it, I think they should say despite whatever the consultation results, not subject to the consultation, the CA anticipate uh basically I think they kind of signalled, loud, that uh mandatory EC is coming into force and they're expecting it, subject to consultation, you're right, um by the end of 2028.
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  SPEAKER_04: And that's not very far away.
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  SPEAKER_04: And one as pretty much one year.
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  SPEAKER_04: Pretty much a year, and depending on how or two years even.
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  SPEAKER_01: End of 2028.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Two years even.
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  SPEAKER_04: But depending on on the sort of equipment stuff, if you find yourself flying an airplane that needs EC and we don't know what the equipment stuff will be because of consultation, as it were.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um trying to get everyone people who want to get that fitted through the avionic shops, and not to mention finding the money for it is going to be impossible, I would say.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's uh w we'll see something like we saw with 8.33 radios.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, interestingly, in all of the stuff I've seen, is go this this kind of excludes state aircraft and uh military aircraft and stuff like that.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: Funny enough.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um the plan describes continuing to work on a new system of lower airspace services, which is a good thing.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it does say um that the latest plan also makes it clear that how dependent the future is on equipment and new equipment, some of that equipment which is still in development and hasn't quite made it yet.
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  SPEAKER_04: Does anyone remember the last transponder, LAST?
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  SPEAKER_04: That the CA, there was a project going on Kinetic was kind of trying to build this portable thing, and it was gonna be, oh, this is the future, and everyone can just carry this transponder on.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it never got there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it turned out to be a bit of a brick, wasn't it?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: It was a bit of a brick.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, basically it's probably it was never approved because it didn't have a large enough range, I think, and so it never got approved.
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  SPEAKER_04: But I think there's always a danger when you say, we're gonna have this bright new future, we just need to invent it first.
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  SPEAKER_04: But we actually don't have much time to invent it either.
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  SPEAKER_04: We've got time, money, and the market's not big enough to make it worthwhile.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have we said why there's gonna be mandatory EC coming in?
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  SPEAKER_04: Um we haven't said it, but uh we've probably said it many times before.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: But it's effectively because the CA sees that as the only way of endowing everybody to cooperate and work together and fly together and play together in the sky.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll have beyond visual line of sight drones, we'll have I think you can stop there, really, can't you?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, basically.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's interesting because they've illustrated it with one of their pictures, um, as you can see on screen now, um, of lots of different types of airplanes sharing the sky, and you look and go, where's the general aviation?
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, there's a little bit of German aviation just there.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, which goes to show exactly what they think, doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think the number of VTOL, EV tolls they've got flying in the image is a bit unrealistic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I think the whole E-V toll thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: We should do a special on EVTOL.
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  SPEAKER_04: How much money has gone into that world?
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  SPEAKER_04: A lot.
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  SPEAKER_04: A lot.
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  SPEAKER_04: And how much of it's gone back out again?
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  SPEAKER_04: A lot.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, so there you go.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, there's an article about it on the website.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_04: We're we're we're we've kind of taken this is a like I said, this is a third iteration, um, and you can see how it's progressing.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right, next up then.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is that me?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um talking of EV tolls, um, UK uh company Skyfly, who have the uh unusually named but brilliant uh in-function axe.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, this is the uh the EV toll that you know that that's got uh two wings and pairs of motors that are fixed on the wingtips.
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  SPEAKER_03: They've got ten million dollars of funding finally uh to help them go from uh prototype to production.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and this is with some planned deliveries in 2027, which is amazing.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um I know, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh so uh it's uh a funding round uh so their latest funding round, uh they found money from a company called Heiko Investment Group.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh plus they're having they've got some input from a uh defense technology investment fund called Archangel.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because you may remember um I was up at I went up to um Skyfly just before Roshkosh because they um revealed their production ready prototype.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um and they were talking at the time about their um they've got a um um a find it here, the longbow, which is a hybrid electric um um unmanned derivative.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: And that looks quite interesting, and clearly they're pushing along to develop their mosaic aeroplane and their unmanned derivative.
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  SPEAKER_04: Who's gonna buy it?
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  SPEAKER_03: The axe or the longbow?
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  SPEAKER_03: The axe, I can imagine that the possible axe has actually been massive it's found a really popular audience in the States where Mosaic is completely open to uh battery and electric uh propulsion and new uh new aircraft under their expanded kind of certification regime.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's I think uh Skyfly themselves have been amazed at how big the American market has become almost overnight.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was um it was a massive deal for them.
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  SPEAKER_03: They took their took the axe to Oshkosh in 2025 and uh with Mosaic on the horizon, all of a sudden I think they it went from uh looking uh strongly at the UK market to the US market becoming a dominant force.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you announced a price for it?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think there is a price.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know it off the top of my head.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: By the time this goes out, we'll put it on screen.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's um it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh so uh Michael Thompson says the investors give us the resources to take the axe from flying prototype to to uh certified aircraft that's gonna be in customers' hands.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and he praises the FAA.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_04: That 10 million quid is gonna dollars is gonna last about two months.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's I Skyfly have done unlike many of the VTOL companies that that we've talked about in shows of of past, Skyfly worked really hard.
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  SPEAKER_03: They've they m get the most out of all their money, and they've they've famously been just working on internal private investment.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um but like you say, ten million dollars can they not can go for um full certification though, are they?
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  SPEAKER_03: So Well they will be producing a product that they can sell under the mosaic rules.
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  SPEAKER_04: But you even by the time you open a the smallest of factories to build those things and get it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: We just opened it, oh, we've run out.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um they've got their production facility in Oxfordshire, um where they've started making parts, uh, and I'm guessing they'll probably make parts here and then send completed aeroplanes or c or big components over to the States and assemble them there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I love their naming regime.
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  SPEAKER_01: Axe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Axe Longbow.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think I would rather fly the longbow than the axe.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, I still wonder isn't the longbow gonna have like Didn't you say it was un unpersoned?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's unmanned.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Unmanned.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um the neat thing about it being unmanned is it's got a range of 400 miles and a 200 kilogram payload.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: So and I'd like to like to think that hybrid uh electric technology that they're developing for that, you know, will eventually fall into the the regular axe.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: So it's about uh interesting times.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: One day we'll be able to talk about these things where people can actually go buy them and fly them and we'll have people flying into Wadsbury.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: So next story is about Gloucester Airport.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: It c it bounces back into the news all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: This time it's about um the two councils involved, Gloucester and uh Cheltenham.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they're about to announce the successful bidder for the airport.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: And in the meantime, a chap called Julian Duncan, who is one of the co-founders of Super Dry, the uh fashion company, uh has joined for one of our sponsors.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um he's joined forces with an existing airfield operator who we now know to be Chris Macon of Leeds East.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um however, their bid has been turned down despite being the preferred option for many of the people who run businesses on the airport.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know quite they haven't made it clear yet why they've been turned down.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um and the suspicion is that uh the two councils are really going down the route of looking for the most money as quickly as possible.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, and the fact that the f the they've said that we'll keep it as an airport guaranteed for twenty-five years.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_04: Which is fantastic.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: The the the actual sales detail seems to say you have to keep it as an airport for five years.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Which is about as long as it's going to take.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's about as long as it'll take to sort everything out to get plenty permission to build a whole load of other stuff on it and it won't be an airport anymore.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We should say that Julian Dunkerton's uh interest in Gloucestershire Airport is local.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's a local lad, um and uh he's invested in lots of businesses around Gloucestershire.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a natural reason for him to be interested.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: And he has a season citation based at the airport.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right, I didn't know that.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, well, that makes sense.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he figures that an airport's a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Whereas I think to be per uh the the council, I wouldn't be surprised if there's people there who go, you know what, we get as much money as we can, get it off our hands, won't be an airport anymore at some point, and then we can have some more housing, industrial estates, and everything else.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: What a what a complete and utter travesty that whole thing will be if that does that.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: One of the jewels in the crown of general aviation.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: It used to be the most amazing place.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: And a series of incompetent, weird, slimy people have turned it into something that i i is gonna have a very challenging future.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's definitely not just clear thinking, is it?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: No at least someone who really loves aviation, gets involved with aviation, sees the relevance of it, and is a business person.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: And who sees a bit of a bigger picture.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not a politician.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Awful.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Awful.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Am I on the next story as well?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: You are.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you remember a couple of weeks ago a little while ago, we talked about the search for Amelia Earhart's aircraft, which went missing um on a f a round-the-world flight.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this team of people from Purdue University in the States went to uh an uninhabited atoll halfway between Australia and and Hawaii, a place called Nicumaru.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been practicing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a p it's about the right place because they've been tracking things like radio signals, where's that where they were last seen, all this kind of thing.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's about around right place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also there was a satellite photograph showing what looked like could be an aeroplane in a lagoon on this atoll.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um it was about the- I saw that picture, I don't think it looked anything like an airplane at all.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well at all.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: They measured it somehow, and it was about the right dimensions for the Lockheed Electra that they were flying.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: But what was it?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: It turned out to be trees.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well you if you look at the picture.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you're like, really?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: Does that look like any aeroplane I've ever seen ever?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: But they did find an uh a a two-foot-long pole, metal pole.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they're going to take it back to it for examination.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm excited about that.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's it seems to capture and unnecessarily cause people to go off and go exploring.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: And what I think it's it's fair to say this is probably going to be unresolved forever.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: Is that and the missing Spitfire sort of buried somewhere?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: In Burma.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: They're probably in the same place.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's not called Burma anymore.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you can imagine James Cameron, he made a brilliant film out of Titanic, you could make a brilliant film out of this.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we went to what?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: I found some trees.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: We found the log.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, yeah.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Good news.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: There's some more free money.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_05: Woohoo!
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: This is like really generous.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: So there are four scholarships of seven and a half grand each.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: That's which is like towards PPL stuff, and it is not for people who want to go commercial.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's people who want to fly for fun.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_04: This and you have to be under 30, and it's really towards PPL stuff.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: So this is for the honourable company of coachmakers and coach harness makers.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: Who knew?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Who knew?
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_04: In association with the uh Leatherland, not Leatherland, Leatherland Flying Training Trust.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Coachmakers also have a De Havilland Flying Scholarship, which is up to ten thousand quid towards learning to fly in a tiger moth.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: I mean how fantastic are those.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: The other scholarships have to be in England or Wales.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: But seven and a half grand, that will go That's a big chunk.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's a big chunk.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: If you if you're careful, you could probably m make that pay for pretty much our whole PPL.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: Significant portion of it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: If you're careful and talented.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: And could get it done.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it is it's you know it's not to be sneezed at.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_04: No, absolutely not.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: To be honest.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: So of course Cambridge Flying Group these days are operating from Old Warden.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Home of Shuttleworth.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: Even better.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Even better.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's a great place.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, what a what a what a dream come true that would be.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely fantastic.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Henry's going to put the the URLs for those in the description.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: So you can go on there, look for all the details, and get applying.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: I think uh applications end, I think, at the end of January and next year.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_04: You've got some time, but get on it.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_04: Get on it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: Get on it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it's like that that's 30 that's 40 grand's worth of.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Really good.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Get on it.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Some new aeroplane news uh coming to the UK.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: The UK will soon see its first Velocity home build.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: So this is a Canard, uh four seat, lycoming powered.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's been around in the States for probably 30 plus years, but it's just never never really found any traction in the UK until now.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh because um uh Peter Day, who runs uh Velocity uh aircraft UK, now you'll know Peter's name because he is the dogged doggedly determined guy between uh a bit behind Hanger Homes.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um but uh Peter has as his side hustle, he's been building a velocity as well.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um so that aeroplane is now fully assembled at Leon Solent and is pretty much ready for test flying.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: So um obviously it's gonna be LAA approved, that's the Light Aircraft Association.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that's gonna need flight testing and the approval process.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: But um yeah, finally it looks like four seats, isn't it?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: Four seats, yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and he is what he's uh working on having the SE, which is the base level aeroplane.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um so velocity make they make some complex retractables, big engines, they even make a twin.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: But Peter's gone actually to meet the LA requirements.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: You just need the the the base level velocity SE, which is fixed gear, um a smaller engine, but still perfectly lovely.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: So um so it'd be interesting to see how that goes.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: Do you remember we went to an airport in Florida where they were manufactured or Sebastian in Florida, yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: And we were we were chatting to the the the Ukrainian chap who was building.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: He was building something else there, wasn't he?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, Sebastian in Florida is the hotbed of composite kit activity for many manufacturers.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, yeah.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um in other news, there's a new boss at TechNam.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, uh Giovanni Pascali Langer has taken over from his father, Paolo Pascali, and so who's who's moved on to be the president.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a new generation coming along, and we'll see what that brings.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's exciting.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_04: He's been he's been fairly senior in the company for a while.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: So he's not just he's not just sort of come out of uni and gone, oh, thanks for the job, Dad.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: He's been learning the ropes, and we've you see him around at Aero the last few years, haven't you?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, apparently he's gone through the whole factory, he's done every job in the factory, so he really knows what what it what is what's going on down there.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you've got to give TechNam credit.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: They are doing fantastic work and they've got a fan brilliant range of airplanes.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's probably about time we went down there again to see what else has changed.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it has been a while, hasn't it?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um the first Kodiak 900 uh to arrive in Europe to a European customer's arrived.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Kodiak 900 is the bigger, faster brother of the original 100.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bit like comparing a grand assessment grand caravan with the original caravan.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: The 150.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Has a 900 been how long's that been out?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it feels like maybe a couple of years.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: A couple of years, yeah.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_04: It looks like someone got the 100 and plugged in a compressor.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: That'll do.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was at uh Aero this year.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: And thinking very big aircraft.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is a big old aircraft.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Very big aircraft.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the first uh the first uh European customer is a Swiss couple called Roland and Claudia Primus, who plan to use it, and this is their words, to expand their adventure-based lifestyle, which includes mountain biking in the Alps and Pyrenees, surfing and wingfoiling around Europe's coasts, trekking in northern Europe, ski touring along Greenland's west coast.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now I should add, Roland uh is a former World Cup level snowboarder, and he founded one of the world's first snowball schools, and he's been involved in Switzerland's snowboard scene for for years.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where he's made his money.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: He knows you can put a couple of bikes in the back of a Europa, right?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, good luck.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, good luck.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's all I can say.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: Have a great time.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: That is a nice toy to have.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, very nice.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: Although it's not the most beautiful aircraft in the world.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's very it's function.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's a there's a bit of function in the form there, isn't it?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: But um, hey, big and robust.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: Big robust.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, in in other news, um Swift Fuels, those people we've spoken about before in the US who are making 100R, which is basically the the replacement for which is lead-free fuel, uh, effectively.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um have they had a they had a bunch of STCs in the States and they've they've got a big AML approved model list, which has now been uh approved by EARSA and the UK C EA.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_04: So there's something like 1600 extra airframes and 1200 engines spread across those that are now approved in in IASA land and in the UK.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's fantastic.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: There's still some work to do, sort of basically uh the higher power stuff, the CIRAS people uh and even the 0470U in my in in in Flyers 182 uh are still going through testing.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's they're they're hoping to have all that done in the next year.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um I believe there's been a delivery already of 100R to the UK, but it's not yet been decided exactly where it's gonna go.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: So you have to go and buy the SDC or apply for the SDC.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um and and again we'll put the URL in the description for that.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: But it's good news because it means there's another uh another fuel, and the well, I say another one, one that's actually going to be sold.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's been taken over by in in Europe it'd be distributed I think by a company called Bollinger.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: Not the not the Bollinger that we're more not the Bollinger that we're more familiar with here in here at Flyer Towers.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're definitely not gonna drink um hundred hundred low lead, are you?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, hundred hundred U L, hundred R, yes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um don't get your bollangers mixed up.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: So just I don't quite understand this STC thing.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do do you have to buy the STC to run it in your aeroplane?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you have to buy it or whether you just have to apply for it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: I need to find that.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: So do you have a sticker on the fuel cap?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you will probably need that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um because there's a lot if you go to like proper refueling places as opposed to the self-refueling places, uh in in some of the places they if you haven't got stickers on, say 100 LL, they won't refuel your refuel.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: I've been to places where they where there was no sticker for 100 LL and they basically this is a brand new airplane.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: And they said we're not going to refuel it.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: And what we had to do was get the POH out and because they they're just completely afraid of refueling you with the wrong fuel.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, so hopefully within within the the next 12 months, touch wood.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: The lead-free future will be sorted and will have great distribution and it'll be a similar price to leaded Avgas.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, yeah.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, early stages at the moment.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not early stages, but yeah, yeah.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_04: Good stages.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Good stage, yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:09
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• 23:09
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• 23:10
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• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, at the top of the show, Ian mentioned that this week we were talking about the UK's airspace traps.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um what have we found?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't know if you remember, last week there was a story about the Civil Aviation Authority encouraging people to engage with and use the information that comes from the lakes, the local airspace infringement teams.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so that kind of got us thinking about that.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: And we thought we'd take a look at the ASI Airspace Safety Initiative and Initiative website and see what's going on.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: And one of the things they do there is they publish the infringement stats and give you lots of different information.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: So let's let's kick off by having a look at the infringement stats.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: As you can see, the trend is generally, I would say, down.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there was a there was obviously a big dip when we were all kind of sneezing and couldn't fly and stuff like that.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: Then there was a bit of a a bit of growth after that when I think a whole load of people got back to flying and were perhaps a little bit rustier than they they than we would like because we couldn't fly.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um but since then it's been it's been trending downwards slowly.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: Although it has to be said that it you wouldn't this wouldn't really hold up statistically anywhere, because there's no there's there's no information about how many thousands of hours are being flown and stuff like that, and whether they're various pinch points and all sorts of other bits and pieces.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: But if we look at the trend, which is what people are doing, then it's it's it's gradually down.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: That said, there's still um, you know, I don't know what 2026 is going to bring yet, because it's not over.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um if the weather stays like this, we will be soon.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um still 1136 um infringements last yeah.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: Although, again, um the infringements are counted in all sorts of things.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: I whenever I think about an infringement, it's like you know, me flying into a bit of controlled airspace, Bristol, for example, without getting a clearance first.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oops, that would be a bad thing.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't done it um yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Don't really want to.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um but but they include all sorts of other things like transponder mandatory zones, um, danger areas, prohibited areas, um rats and all sorts of other bits and pieces, which are all which are all valid, but it's not kind of the s the traditional infringement that we necessarily think of.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's not not like when when NAT produces their their big glossy videos about infringements, and you see um uh see a random aeroplane going through a bit of airspace and all the airliners.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah, indeed.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: Indeed.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so they are a little bit flawed.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I guess the the question was so where are these traps?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: In the UK.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: In the UK.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I asked the Civil Aviation Authority, where are they?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: Guess what they said?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: They gave you a big long list.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: Not quite.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I was hoping.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I was hoping for a shorter list, to be honest.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: Long lists are no good, are they?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: They said nothing so far.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: They haven't got back to us.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_04: At the time of filming, we've not heard from them.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um however, if you pick your way through the ASI website and look at the narratives that are around infringements and the narratives that come from the late teams, you can put together a picture.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: Again, it's not a completely accurate and up-to-date picture of where the latest traps stroke hot spots actually are.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because we we asked the Civil Aviation Authority and they didn't reply on that one.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: But they are Solent, Southampton, Birmingham.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um place called Warwick Castle, which I'd never really appreciated before.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if that's the same.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: What was the bloke?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: What was that place that that bloke went to test his eyes during COVID?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think it was.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_04: That wasn't Warwick Castle.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was another Dominic Cummings.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Dominic Cummings, that's the name.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Cindus Farm, wasn't it?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know where it was.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, it's nothing to do with that one.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_04: Harden uh and Manchester Barton.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: And Manchester Barton's interesting uh because uh it's not an airspace infringement that we would normally think of.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's around there, it's a lot more well, there are some around there because it can be a complex bit of airspace, but that that also has some rural 11 uh discretions as well, and we'll talk about that a little bit, I think.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think we're surprised to see Solent, Southampton, that area in the list, are we?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I am curious about the what the Warwick Castle thing.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's uh so it's a uh turning point and it's one nautical mile from the southern boundary of Birmingham's um CTA two.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I guess people are going, oh Warwick Castle, or I've infringed.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean a mile is not very far.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um I kind of quite like knowing uh here's that here's the thing that marks airspace.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: Stay this side of it.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_04: But I guess you know you you could potentially get drawn into it and yeah, oh no, there's a Warwicle.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, and it doesn't take much.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: By the time you've flown around it and realize you're on the wrong side of it.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and if you're orbiting and and at an altitude that gets you maybe a 20-30 knot wind, that's gonna blow you somewhere you didn't want to be.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um so it's a bit of a quid pro quo, as it were.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: That's probably the wrong Latin phrase there.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you can understand why people would choose Warwick Castle as a it's it's an easily identifiable landmark, isn't it?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's also in quite a busy part of the country.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's better than trying to identify.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: I remember the first time I was flying into Kemble and I was looking for the VRP of Northeast Roundabout.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: That's hard to spot.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: Bloody hell, that's hard.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_04: Are you joking?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Who picked that for God's sake?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: Ridiculous.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Northeast Roundabout is one of those things you fly over and you think, oh, that's Northeast Roundabout.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: I know, yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um so in terms of the causes, I mean, I think there's a good I think there is a question to be answered here.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_04: Given that most of us are flying with moving map technology and GPS, we know pretty much exactly where we are at any time.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: So the question is, why is the infringement happening?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: And when we were getting preparing for this, we took a look at a CA printed chart at the airspace around Solon.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: Gee, that is that is that is hard work looking at a printed chart.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I was there going to be a good thing.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: I got doesn't grow.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: You want to expand a printed chart.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's no many times how many times you do this doesn't work.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work, does it?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um but it's really difficult to kind of pick it up.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_04: And you can imagine a situation where you know, maybe you got a turbulent day, maybe you're trying to avoid some heavy showers, maybe you've got a distraction in the cockpit, maybe you you're not as current as you once were or something, or not as current as you could be.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_04: And you can understand how people get confused by everything.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: I think I counted, there's something like 13 different chunks of airspace that make up that whole kind of solent And some of them are really small, popping.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Some of them are small, and the altitude's different.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, wow, dude, talk about making it tough.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure I'd say well, dude, but appealing to the younger audience, that's those of us under 65.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um Yeah.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: So we looked at some of those and it it was interesting.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_04: When you look at the causes that are suggested in the ASI website, yeah, you get things like vertical infringements are a big thing.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: I must admit, I tend to think laterally, but vertigo is really important.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: Things like the Sky Demon radar really help with that.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I think you were talking earlier about you know the take two thing.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: So Gasco famously had uh the they had the take two initiative, which was to remain two nautical miles and two hundred feet uh away from a piece of airspace.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's two nautical miles horizontally and two hundred feet vertically.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Vertically, yeah.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a huge amount of space, but it's a decent amount of space.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: Two hundred feet.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well I'm not sure that's enough.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: I I think if if you're going to be flying at the vertical limit above or below airspace, you need to be on, you know, it's very easy to particularly flying a higher performance aircraft and there's a lot of stuff or it's a turbulent day.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well it's it's like if you're not on the regional if you're if you're no one should be on regional ever.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: Why have we still got regional stuff?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, CA.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: There are things you can do to help, and that would be one of them.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, there's you can end up with a variation of eighty to a hundred and ten feet.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and if you've only got if you've only allowed yourself a margin of two hundred feet, then um then the margin is further eroded, isn't it?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: So just just that point.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: You say don't nobody should ever be on the regional pressure.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: What should they be on?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: They should be on the the QH for the airfield around which the controlled airspace is.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: And there'll be, you know, they'll often there'll there's things like the London QH because that encompasses more than one airfield and the assailant QH as well.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's what you should be on for that as well.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: Dial up the 80s and find out what the pressure setting is.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's interesting.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: You fly in the States and every you know, on the first radio call that you make to anybody, yeah, you get given the pressure setting.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's in inches, but you know, whereas often here you'll be talking to someone and they'll give you the regional thing, don't you give me the regional thing?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: Why do I why do I want that for God's sake?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's just an acronym from old RAF days, and I'm sure there's some limited uses for it, but frankly, it should just be got rid of.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, agreed.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that would be my suggestion.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: So the you know, things that they're talking about weather avoidance and then the the the other interesting thing, there they also mention the fact that pilots don't always understand ATZ entry requirements.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we know that because we had another discussion about this, that that's all down to this Rule 11.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: Rule 11, I'm sure, had the best of intentions, but it's grown to have the best of intentions and in some cases the most bonkers application.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: We've got some stuff dating back years and years now, where I got an official email from the CA explaining what they think you should do.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_04: And there was some rubbish in that.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: That was just mad.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's fair to say that Rule 11, probably written in good faith, but actually maybe now applied like a giant wooden mallet with Rule 11 on it.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: With someone going, Excuse me, I think I'm going to have to apply this exactly by the letter here, and it's yeah, and it's not Rule 11.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's Rule 11 of the rules of the air, of course, we'll be talking about here.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Go take a read of it.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um there are certain things you should do which uh anyway, we've we've had a whole thing on Rule 11 before.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we'll do another thing on Rule 11.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: We should have like a battle, you know, Rule 11 versus real life.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, apply Rule 11 standards to real life.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: Interestingly enough, though, I I you look at the ASI website and you look at these various different things that have been proposed for you know for places like Solar and Barter and stuff like that.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: No one in there said, Do you reckon this complicated airspace structure and the way we depict it on charts and stuff has got anything to do with it?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_04: No, not even a single mention of that, as far as I could find.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that uh proposed airspace for Bryce Norton?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the one where they got the crayons and the four-year-olds.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_04: That's right, yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: How could they make how could anybody come up with that sensibly?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it's just Well, it's it it's airspace design has been talked about quite a lot on across the f the live streams and the flyer shows, hasn't it?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I think when you look at airspace across the UK, a lot of it probably dates back to aircraft departing from airports that didn't have great performance.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder now if you looked at things departing out of the UK's bigger airports that have got incredible glide performance.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: I I would I would uh hesitate to guess that the the tiers of upside down cakes they would need to be so big and so low now.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: I I bet some of those airliners are easily staying inside.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Probably, but it's also the approaches, isn't it?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because Yeah, the the rate of approach is but what 300 is to try and descend is they try and keep uh you know 300 feet per minute.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Might make it a nice easy approach for passengers.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got to you're coming in from a long way out.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably what happens a at White Waltham, because it's quite away from Heathrow, but they've still got quite a low base there.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean I think I I you're you're right.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: But what that doesn't explain, at least to me, is you've got you know if you take a reasonably recent bit of airspace, the stuff around Farnborough, which has got some super high performance stuff going in and out of there.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: And that's bloody huge.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's almost bigger than an enormous area.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't and and people, you know, once people get controlled airspace, they're not that keen on how to do that.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: They don't want to give it up generally.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I I I mean I think there's an important principle here, I think it's an important principle, and I I suspect that I'm not going to be the most popular person in the world with with people watching.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the airspace in places is pants, yep, it's badly depicted.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, it could be a really high workload, yep, that we've got God knows how many listening squawks up and down the country.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_04: There it's a complex environment, and sometimes there's an awful lot going on, and sometimes we're not as um current as we could be.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: But the fact remains that while all of that stuff could and should be improved, it is what we've got at the moment.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: So when we go flying as P1 in our aircraft, it's our responsibility to make sure that we're fully briefed and stuff before.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: And we've briefed ourselves, we've understood it, we've gone through, we've done as much prep as we feel that we need to do to make sure that we fully understand it.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: I don't when I learned to fly, I remember going along and getting to the point where I go, I can fly pretty much straight and level now, and I can turn and come out on, you know, I can do a 360 turn and almost be at the same altitude.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_04: Did someone ask you to talk as well?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_04: Then yeah, you better talk to ATC.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I could do that and not fly, or I could fly and just press the PTT and go.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_04: I just didn't have the capacity to do it all together.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: And then you get to a point you go, Ash, I can do this all now.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: And then someone goes, and here's this chart.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_04: Can you navigate as well?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: And again, it all goes out the window, and that's kind of like a concentrated version of what happens if you're not current.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and certainly the less current I am and the more complex flights I need to do, the more I will more time I will spend on the ground beforehand studying it and trying to figure it out.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so as much as I complain about ridiculous applications of Rule 11, stupidly we let it go.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: I've got a map.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: I've got a chart around here.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: We looked at this earlier, and apart from the fact that this one's not particularly well printed for some reason, the regist the registration's a bit out, and you just look at it and you go, how is anyone supposed to navigate with that?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: What a uh fortunately things like Sky Demon.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Will you ever pick up a paper chart again?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: Not after that.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: Not after that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's I mean, I think I think there might be one somewhere in the airplane, but I don't I frankly it's it's mad.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I that I kind of also resent some of the stuff on the ASI web site says use official sources, and because someone at the CA has gone, oh you should use this, you should use this, you should use this.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: And you go and try and use them, and they are the most generally horrible things to use that give you dodgy, they don't give you dodgy information, but as a result of being so bloody difficult.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, difficult to it's difficult to access and impenetrable sometimes.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a complete uh misunderstanding of the way things are done and and a misunderstanding of how we ought to do things if we want to make sure that we we we don't infringe and we fly efficiently and fly safely.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: I I think.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, so not exonerating the pilot.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the pilot should get it right, but we can help pilots get it right by having better airspace, clearer charting, easier access to information um and and joined up services, all all of which is coming in theory at least with the airspace modernisation strategy planning.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um I don't think if we get there.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: That will be nearly as good as we hope, though.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Well I I sincerely hope that you're proved wrong, but I have a deal of sympathy with your yeah with your view.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's taken a long time now, isn't it?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Airspace modernization has been going on for at least ten years now.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I and I think most of it is is gonna be focused on drones, and it's gonna be focused on commercial aviation, you know, third runway for Heathrow and stuff like that.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's not gonna be focused.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: When when the team sit down at NATS, because Nats have now got the contract to do that and and think about the third runway and everything else, they're gonna they're not gonna be going, right?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: How can we sort out this mess that is Class G airspace and reduce infringements?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's not gonna be that I'd be surprised if that's even on their beginning agenda, to be honest, when they sit down and meet.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_04: Prove me wrong, that'd be great.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, that's that's that's what I reckon.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_04: But we'd like you to let us know what you think.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: What for you is the most complex part of the airspace in the UK?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: Where where do you fly?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: The ego, wow, that is a mess.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_04: What could be improved?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_04: How do you get around it?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_04: And what do you suggest to help reduce infringements?
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that actually take two, two nautical miles might be all right, might be alright, but 200 feet is not enough?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: No, probably not.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: Lee leave a comment, let us know.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: We'd love to hear you from you.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: It must be time for.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, this week's fancy hanger.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um it was another viewer suggestion, and that was all about perfect pairing.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: So uh something from aviation with something else that you think makes a perfect pairing in your flying Dave.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, me.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, obviously I picked a Lascomate E.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's the pinnacle, the pinnacle of uh of uh aviation as far as I'm concerned.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: But also I would like to pair it with something like this.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is Joe Costanza's hangar.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's a an American YouTuber, and he's just look at it.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's got really that nice.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's snowing.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to snow, but it could be I do like that man cave though.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: It is, yes.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I would dispense with that flag we can see in the background and put up obviously a union flag.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: The Russian flag, you mean?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sorry, that's the stars and stripes, isn't it?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I put up a union flag, but apart from that, uh it's pretty nice.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's have a look at some of the pictures that go uh some of the look around it.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, you've got to have a fridge, and you've got to have somewhere to keep your books and all the memorabilia your wife has said, you can bring that into the house.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: I feel you speak from experience.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: So um and then there's somewhere to sit and chew out.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you've got to have that.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: You go I hope this hangar's got heating because that picture we saw of it with go outside, that's gonna be a cold and cold and and slightly damp.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: Cold and lonely place.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to have somewhere to do your work.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: The one modification I would make to Joe's uh hangar is his workshop area.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna show you that because it's not worth looking at.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is the sort of thing I have in mind.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Pristine, nicely lit.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: You like proper workbench, tools on tools hung up.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I have, yes.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is it like that?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not quite like that, no.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: But it's a dream.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: But it's a dream, yeah, an aspiration.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: So Joe uh Joe Costanza is bananas with like 15 S's on uh on Instagram, isn't he?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: But he's also um he's also got a good YouTube channel as well.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, fantastic YouTube channel, and um and uh yeah, yeah.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: But that definitely worth checking out.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_04: Fair enough.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well I mean I uh I like to I'd like to keep things fairly simple.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: And that that was a whole load of stuff going on.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: I don't really need to go as far as that to to to get to my my idea of heaven.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, we When I go flying, my favourite kind of flying is long distance touring.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: I just love the fact that you can jump in an airplane and be somewhere completely different, whether that happens to be the two K or much, much further afield.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_04: And so I decided the airplane, you know, one of the there are many airplanes you could go for for this, but I th this one just happened to be paired nicely, and that's with with the Meridian.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_04: Meridian, absolutely great airplane.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: From Piper.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: From Piper, you know, M700 these days, maybe if we could stretch to it.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: Would it be the M700 Fury?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: Fury, yeah.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'll buy an M700, but and if you get rid of the Fury name and the helicopter goes.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: And what better to pair with the airplane than a beautiful house in the Crossworlds and a 750 metre runway?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_04: Which is what this has got.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: This was up for sale a few years ago.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was, it was more millions than I had, because I've got zero millions.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um but this was I think it was like four and a half million at the time or something.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: I have to say, that does look like a pretty perfect.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, can you imagine you come out of your beautiful Crossworld house, you look someone's mowed the grass for you.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: I would say I I'm looking at that going, that needs a cub.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, I think I think the guy, the the owner of this house at the time, not only did he have that turbine aeroplane, but he also had a very lovely cub.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: You would need, you would need I think you're right.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I might go for a champ instead.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um but a cub would be fine as well.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not going to complain about it.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: You know, everyone should try something that handles appallingly from time to time.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, that does look like a fantastic place.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: And that is, yeah, uh as a perfect pair goes.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_04: Perfect pair goes, I reckon.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: A gorgeous Cotswold strip and a turbine aeroplane to reach out into uh Europe.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's um that's a pretty good combination.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: You go from your go from your lovely space inside, outside, jump in your airplane, and next the next time you're getting out somewhere in Italy or the south of France, or beautiful summer's evening, you jump in your cub for a bit of comedy.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: I seem to remember that house uh when it was up for sale had a wellness hanger.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Which was I I suspect someone had misappropriated a hanger and filled it full of things to do yoga.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: My wellness hanger would my wellness hanger would have just more aeroplanes than that.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_04: A tool a tool bench and a box of it.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_04: And I I I'd employed Dave to come tidy my tool bench.
• 46:20
  unknown: Yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: How about you, then it?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's very good.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um I haven't, and you've both gone down the kind of property aspect.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't done anything like that.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: I've just gone for a perfect pairing of aeroplane and car.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I've it's it's an easy one for me because at the moment I'm very beguiled by the Spirit SE one.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: Obsessed.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, beguiled is a good word.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: It is a good word.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I just love the Spirit SE one.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's got a fantastic pair of trousers, and as you know, I am trouser obsessed uh when it comes to aeroplanes.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: And this is just a beautiful, um, it's a beautiful old-looking aeroplane that's 100% modern.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's obviously from Spirit Engineering.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's got the 44 horsepower Spirit V2 engine.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, folds up so you don't need lots of hangar space for it.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: Single seater, that's fine.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great social experience because it's just you.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I figured to go with this the lovely Spirit SE1 and all that polished aluminium, you need a a fabulous little sports car like this.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is a Porsche 550 Spider from 1955.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: Now that isn't that that's a fabulous piece of work that I reckon.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I think driving to and from the airfield in something like that to go and get your Spirit SE1 out, that is a perfect pair.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder how many Spirit SE1s you could get for one of those.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the Spirit SE1 is a is a very is a good low-cost aeroplane.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think that's a good low-cost Porsche.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_03: I suspect that's incredibly expensive.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very nice choice, though.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: It is very nice.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: But where are you going to live?
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_04: Are you going to like you're going to leave your SE one and you can leave your own.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think I'll be able to pitch a tent in some shop doorway or something in Swindon?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I won't be able to afford a house if I own that car and an aeroplane.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's not even got a roof.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: You can't even just like You can't live in that, can you?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: And you definitely can't live in a spirit SE one.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Because I often say to people, well, you can't fly a house, but you can live in an X, but uh yeah, you're not living in either of those.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: You can't live in either of those, can you?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: So um I I feel it's I maybe I was gonna say maybe I can afford an airstream caravan.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, pretty expensive as well.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I I think I've got a I think if you if instead of a cub at my Cotswold place I had a sp had your spirit SE one that was available.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll I'll just come and uh bother you.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_04: And you could come and fly it if you wanted to.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: And we could share the car.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: And while I'm out finding my spirit SE one, you can borrow my book.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: I could go I could go my wellness hanger, and then you could you could if you because you need somewhere to live, you could pitch a tent.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_04: That's very generous of you.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: I I feel like your house has more rooms that I would and maybe I wouldn't need a tent.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there's a shed.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there you go.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it's a corner of the wellness hanger.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we go.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, in all out of all that nonsense, uh, was there something in there that you thought that is my perfect pairing?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you have a perfect pairing of your own.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh tell us in the comments, please.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and tell us that mine was the favourite choice.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_03: Clearly, Edwin's.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, not sure about that.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_03: Shall we take a look and see what Simon has in store for us for this this weekend with the weather?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: Evening all, hope you're doing well this evening.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: Good to see you again.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, get ready for a stormy weekend.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Austin is gonna be with us overnight.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is how things shape up for tomorrow.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: You see that deep area of low pressure passing across southern coasts of England.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's Austin.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh notice how close together the uh ice bars are uh across much of central southern England as well.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: An area of cloud and rain affecting central, eastern, southern parts of Scotland, extending down through western parts of Wales.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, here obviously we're not gonna be fine.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: We've got less than a thousand foot bases, well, 15 to 20,000 foot tops.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Northern Scotland actually faring a little bit better, and then as we get through into the afternoon tomorrow, Austin clearing its way eastwards, but winds increasing then across England and Wales.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, heavy rain passing through southern and eastern areas as well, and further heavy rain affecting eastern Scotland, Wales, parts of southern England.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: The thunderstorm is in there too, and uh quick heads up, you want to get the aircraft tied down.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you've not done it already, you need to get out there now and do it.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because probably in the morning, some places, particularly Midlands and northern England, you might think, oh, this isn't that bad.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, then the winds really get going through the course of tomorrow afternoon.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, overnight into Saturday, ridge high pressure builds in, winds fall light, and first thing Saturday morning, actually, for eastern areas of the country not looking too bad.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Here we're looking at flyable conditions at 3,000 foot base.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: This top is about 10,000 feet, but cloud increasing all the time.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you can see here by 10 o'clock in the morning, we've already got gales and heavy rain returning to Ireland and to many western and southern parts of the country.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: That then spreads its way eastwards through the afternoon.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: Those gusts are seeing 60, 70, perhaps even 80 knots across western and southern areas, thundery periods of squally rain passing east.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Again, get the aircraft tied down or in shelter because those winds are going to be particularly nasty.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not really until late on on Saturday that those winds clear east.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: No point me telling you it's just going to be no flying through Saturday apart from the east at first.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, on Sunday, the area of low pressure clears slowly off eastern Scotland, gales across much of Scotland, northern England, Northern Ireland, and Wales.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh gusting to gale force across central and southern parts of England.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, during the afternoon, apart from being windy, gusts of 40 to 45 knots, and rain across northern Scotland, it actually is going to be bright and quite pleasant.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: A few showers there are blowing onto western coasts of Scotland, northwest England and western parts of Wales.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, for the far south of England and southwest England here may not be too bad in the afternoon.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Still gasing 25 to 30 knots, but with bases around 3,000 feet at opposite about 15,000 feet, yes, probably still quite turbulent.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: But if you found it a late one on Sunday in those areas, probably not too bad.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to learn more about forecasting yourself, understanding forecasting from sources, spotting weather windows five days in advance, and being able to forecast kind of basic kind of top of things like rain and showers and the winds at different levels.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: You need to get yourself to Aviation Weather School Part 1.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've got two places remaining on my next live online course, which is going to be um on the Tuesday evening, so the 3rd and 10th of November.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be super to see you there.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Use the QR code there or go to weatherschool.co.uk and book one of those places now.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great fun course, and you will finally understand net by the end of it.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Batten down the hatches and stay indoors.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of those weekends for just doing those jobs that you need to get done.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: Although, you know what, like I said, there may be a few little windows in there for us somewhere.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Why not just get down the airfield and enjoy yourselves?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll uh catch you next week.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_04: Not Scorchio, is it?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely not Scorchio anymore.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Winter's come arriving.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Have we got any have we got any events coming up?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dave?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Th there's not very many events this time of year, but there is a wonderfully named Halloween Howl going on at Doncaster on the 31st of uh October.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: This must be to do with the Vulcan.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is to do with the Vulcan, yes.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not actually flying, obviously.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to start it up, and apparently it makes the noise standing still.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_03: But uh there is a certain RPM where there's resonance in the intakes, and that is that famous Vulcan howl.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: And uh next day on 1st of November, there's the Adventure of Flight.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is uh an aerability event.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: This is where the foot the three Johns come together for and and this is at the uh Royal Geographic Institute in London, isn't it?
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Royal Geographic Society.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, okay, there we go.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Looking slightly further ahead, there's the uh Light Aircraft Design Conference on the 6th of November.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is at the Royal Aeronautical Society, also in London.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: Or online.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: Or online.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can you can you can join and watch that online if you're not in London.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, okay.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Back there in London.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: London, back in also in London, I'm afraid.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Also in London.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't be afraid.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Pilot Careers Live London is in London on the 7th of November.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_04: Heathrow T5.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_04: If you're thinking about a commercial career, come along.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh tickets are available on pilotcareerslive.com.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, fantastic.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right, on that basis, it says thank you very much.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_04: Hope you weren't too disturbed by that helicopter that was buzzing around.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um but we like helicopters anyway.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much, team.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much for watching.
• 55:09
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• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks very much.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: Have fun.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's G Airspace and reduce infringements.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's not going to be that I'd be surprised if that's even on their beginning agenda, to be honest, when they sit down and meet.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_04: Prove me wrong.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_04: That'd be great.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, that's that's that's what I reckon.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_04: Is it time for?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_04: Not yet.
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