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009: The Whodunnit Stand (Lanterns Episode 6) · Concession Stand

• Nick: Hey, what's up everyone? welcome to the concession stand. I'm Nick and across the screens my co-host Jules. And today we're gonna be watching the Batman Nightfall Part 2 trailer and reacting to that. We're gonna be talking Marvel's reported upcoming projects, Daredevil Ending after season three, who Giancarlo Esposito wants to play in the DCU, and for the main course, we're gonna be breaking down and getting into all of Lanterns episode six. So stick around, grab a refill, and let's get right into it. First up on the docket, we got Our first trailer for Batman Nightfall Part 2, Night Quest. I saw part one and it was good. It was good. It was like, you know, it was like we're it I feel it felt like we were, you know, we're we're back cooking with with the DC animated movies. Julian: Yeah. Nick: And it's like this is a this is very much a rated R, you know, animated movie. So like, you know, there's blood, there's gore, there's some crazy action sequences, and and Bane. is menacing menacing my boy like yeah like Julian: Ooh we will have a menacing vein vein. Nick: they really did you know the scale of him like just like how like his whole backstory and everything like there's a little you know there's a little bit of that like dark knight rises backstory in there a little bit that you you know that we know from the movie but it's a little different at the same time and so it's you know it's really cool and I'm excited to see what what's going on with the with part two so let's watch this trailer Julian: Yeah, this is gonna be good because for those of you who haven't seen The Killing Joke, it's that type of animation where we're getting some very dark things and it's rated R. It's like, you know, when you look at some of the Batman stuff, you know, it's easy to get caught up and think, this is just for kids. But no, they make it rated R as well for us adult viewers to enjoy. But as Nick Nick: Yep. Julian: said, let's get into it. Mm. Nick: Ooh indeed. Ooh. Julian: I got a few things on this. I have a few things to say about this. Nick: Ooh, okay. What you got? Julian: So I think that this is obviously great. Like I seen everybody's character so far, Two Faze. I seen Scarecrow in there, Bane obviously. there maybe even a little joker somewhere. I don't know. Maybe there's not, but you know, and that's okay if there isn't. But dude, everybody's character looks really good. And I did you did you see the the flash paradox, you know, or flashpoint paradox? Thomas Wayne's cape had the the spikes too. So I was thinking to myself as I was wa watching it, he's gonna be violent. And it kind of looks like he's a little a little hard on crime. Maybe a little harder on Nick: yeah. Julian: crime than than our usual bats he would like. Nick: Yeah. Yeah. yeah. That's definitely definitely the case here because who that is, and he was in part one, is Gene Paul Valley, also known as Aesreel. and so he like I I'm I'm I'm gonna botch some of this. I can't remember exactly like what like where he came from exactly in the first movie, but basically he like has this kind of like He has something wrong in the head where like he has these powers and he's really, you know, he could fight, he's really strong, all this stuff. But or I don't even know if they're powers, but he's just, you know, he's he's nice. He's nice, you know, he could he he has the skills, but like he just switches into this mode sometimes where he doesn't even know like what he's doing, kind of, and he kind of berserks out a little bit. And we saw a little bit of that in the trailer where I think you know what it was it was either Dick or Or or Tim or you know, one of the Robins was saying, you could have killed him. And like it's because, you know, he he gets into those berserker modes and like kinda can't control himself. So, Julian: Right. Hmm. Nick: it's it and it's like it's all and and it's you know, you're kinda in the trailer they kind of have you wondering, Wait, he gave it to this guy when we hit we see Nightwing in the trailer, we see like other Robin or or we see Tim in the trailer. So it's like, why is it going to him? And like in the first one, there's this you know, there's just a lot he like he's keeping Bruce is keeping tabs on him originally, but then he kind of like goes grows to like not trust him, but like kind of see him more as an asset and stuff as the movie goes on. So like kind of jumping from that into this one, like him choosing him to take up the mantle of Batman is kind of crazy. Like Julian: It is. Nick: when you got Dick Grayson standing right across from you, what what are we talking about? I'm confused. And we've seen go Julian: It is. Why can't Nightwing be him? But aga Nick: ahead. Julian: I was just about to say what you were gonna say. Nick: Yeah, we've seen animated movies before where Batman has fallen and Nightwing has literally taken up the, you know, taken up the Batman manual. So like why Julian: Now Nick: I I get I like it for the sake of of changing it up. I'll give you that. But like Julian: Right, right. That part. Nick: as a Dick Grayson fan and defender, I'm I'm appalled. I'm appalled. Julian: I'm appalled. He Nick won't hear this hear this nightwing slander. Nick: No, bro. That's my favorite that's my favorite Robin right there. I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry. Julian: I mean 'cause he's left unable to continue as Batman, so you know, after Bain breaks him. but then, you know, the trailer raises questions on whether, you know the it raises the question, does Gotham need a more violent Batman? And or you know, or whether, you know, his methods will prove, you know, why Bruce can't simply just be replaced. Nick: Yeah, yeah. I mean, 'cause if Bruce hits that all has always hit that sweet spot of, you know, violent, but you know, I'm not gonna kill you, but Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: I'm you know, I'ma break your bones and your spirit. Kinda like Bain. But you know, so we'll s we'll see. Yeah, Julian: Mm-hmm. Right. Well, Bane will kill the Nick: yeah. I mean fac facts. But but we'll see if, you know, what's it if Israel can I don't know, fit the role of Batman and be you know, actually be what Gotham needs, or if Br you know, like you said, if Bruce is really just like built for this shit and you know, he you know, his specific type of vigilante justice is you know is what the city of Gotham needs. But you know, we'll see. We'll see. Julian: Marvel apparently they keep about three to or they have three to five live action shows in development right now. And one of those shows, ladies and gentlemen, is named Zodiac. That's the working title right now. It has not officially been released, but apparently it's supposed to be a spy thriller. So I would expect this to kind of maybe look like I don't know. Nick, what what would you say this could look like? Nick: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's a you say spy thriller. Julian: Maybe like a secret agents? Like or a Nick: Yeah, yeah. And you think, you know, you think something like a vibe of like Jason Bourne, like, you know, is that Julian: Right. Nick: that type of thing? But you say it has Zodiac as a working title. We don't know if this is, know, this probably isn't going to be the official title. But, you know, this is just what they're covering it up as. And oftentimes they, you know, they use Things that are like related to you know, whatever the project is as the working title So if it's zodiac related, you know Maybe there's like a serial killer on the loose that we're trying to and we're trying to like, you know cover up clues and find out who it is like based on Julian: Now is this the is this gonna be in the mutant saga? Nick: Yes, yes, will be, yeah, it's gonna be coming out in the mutant saga because we have no other shows coming out in the multiverse saga, no other live action Marvel shows coming out in the multiverse saga, aside from Daredevil Born Again season three, which has just announced that season three will be the last season before it ends. And... How do you feel about this, Jules? Where are you on this? Julian: I love Daredevil Born Again, but I think that given he's a guy who's kind of primarily defending Hell's Kitchen. It's kind of a lot of it's kinda hard to have a lot of things happening without having anybody else show up that lives in New York City, like Spider Man, Nick: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Julian: like Strange. And these guys defend all of New York City. So it and I think Nick: Right? Right. Julian: that if they were to even maybe now granted they're not gonna do this because, you know, of Sony's rights over Spider Man. like have him team up with Spider Man, even though that would make sense. Or Moon Knight, for example, that would also make sense. Or Ghost Rider, maybe a little Midnight Suns, you know, hinting or Easter eggs. Like I think that would be, you know, if they had to do season four, like what would they do? Like I think they're running out of content per se, you know, whereas like Nick: Mm. Julian: they can use him and alter his story where he's gets out of Hell's Kitchen through secret wars. Nick: True, true, true. could, Julian: Or doomsday. Nick: yeah, yeah. I think Secret War is more likely than Doomsday because I feel like Secret War is one of those things anybody could show up, anybody might be on the table. Julian: Yeah. Every everybody's on the table for Secret Wars. Nick: Yeah, but you raise a good point because I honestly was, I wasn't even really thinking about the, I guess the longevity of it, of like the Daredevil stories that could still be told. Julian: Right. Nick: Just because like, but you know, that's a great point because that's been kind of one of the most consistent kind of issues I'd say in Daredevil Born Again, both seasons. It's just that all this stuff goes on, especially involving you know kingpin becoming the mayor and you know, you know season two we literally have, you know, a rebellion of citizens that's out here trying to you know, trying to take him down, you know in his own house and it's like Spider-man couldn't bring that up at all. Like, Spider-man couldn't... I can live with him not showing up. I can learn to live with that, but he can't even mention it. He can't even say something about ex-mayor Fisk or something. Or, that was a really shitty time back when that Julian: Right. Nick: maniac was mayor. whatever. I don't know, man. Julian: Like and we and we didn't even talk about it. Like for it to be such Nick: Yeah, yeah, exactly. if you... Julian: a big thing in Daredevil, but like the city Spider Man lives in, we don't talk about it. In Spider Man? Nick: Right, right. Like, come on now. And Spi- And Spider-Man's everywhere, bruh. Like, we saw. We saw the montage. He, you know, he's- he's- he got the key to the city. Daredevil didn't get the key to the city. Like, Julian: Literally. He did not. Nick: you would think that with What's-Her-Name, who seemingly replaced, Fisk as the mayor, being so, like, personally tied to the politics that went on in that office, you'd think she might be a little- a little more partial to Daredevil, no? Like, you'd think she'd really- Julian: Yeah, maybe. Or maybe she doesn't like Daredevil. Maybe she Nick: But, Maybe? Julian: thinks Daredevil caused all this or he had a part to play or he wasn't all innocent. Nick: Maybe she knows that Daredevil and Fisk really just love each other on the inside and they just, you know, they just wanna, they just keep challenging each other on purpose, for the love of the game. Julian: A little a little Wolverine saber tooth sabertooth type of type of fighting, where they're where they're just in there for they want to fight each other and kill each other. Nine times out of ten where they're with each other. Nick: Low key, low key, low key. It's yeah, tax. That's a good comparison. That is a. Julian: 'Cause 'cause we have a few of those in the MCU, you know. So I think that's interesting. Nick: Yeah. But with, with that being said though, if they are going to wrap it up, if they are going to wrap up the show, they better not wrap up my boy, Matt Murdock. And like, don't, just cause the show's done, that doesn't mean that, Julian: Doesn't mean Nick: that, that we, you know, that's the last we have to see of Matt Murdock. I just want, Julian: No. Nick: I want his, his role in the MCU moving forward to be just, you know, he pops up where he can in the movies. Like I want an actual, you know, an actual daredevil. cinematic experience. Obviously we love the No Way Home scene where he catches the brick, I'm a really good lawyer, all that. But I want Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: the suit, I want the clubs, I want belt to ass in Hell's Kitchen. wherever the, if the Avengers are calling him up, wherever we can fit in Daredevil, I'll take it. Julian: Yeah, I'm I'm here for that because I think that again, he's a very important person as far as like when we start getting Iron Fist and Shang-Chi and all that, because you know, we haven't even scratched the surface of Shang-Chi because just all the stuff he can do, like multiply himself and all that, like he's a one man army. So Nick: Yep, Yeah. Julian: it it's gonna you know, when we when he meets Iron Fist or whether it's Danny or whoever Like, I think that I think that it's gonna be we're gonna start to see like the difference in between the martial arts or who can fight when they're, you know, talking about hand in hand. And I think that Daredevil might get humbled a few times. I think he might humble some other people. But I think when he fights Shang Chi, he's a hundred percent gonna get humbled. Nick: Ooh, I didn't, I don't know why that fight like didn't occur to me, but I need it now. Now that you say that I need to see Shung Chi and Matt Murdoch throw hands. I don't care. Like obviously Shung Chi got the one Julian: They're gonna it's gonna be the insane. Nick: up. Like obviously it needs to be, you know, rings on the table. No, you know, like, cause the rings is just, you know, it's cheat code at that point. Like it's like he, he, got his Julian: Right, right. That's fair. That's fair. Nick: already charged at the beginning of the fight pretty much like, like nah, but I just want, you know, straight hand to hand. Julian: Their first meeting though, their first meeting though is gonna be Shang Chi with the rings and then Daredevil's gonna be talking crap and Matt's gonna be talking stuff like, Yeah man, if you if you let the put the rings on the table and fight me, let's see how it goes. Nick: Bro, yeah, nah, yeah, he said he's say some shit like I don't need I don't need no no no interdimensional rings to be some ass or you know in that Matt Murdock like smug little tone that he has and then shun chi Julian: Exactly. Nick: shun chi is just gonna go take the bait and then and then probably I don't even know who I can't say I Think Julian: I don't think he'll take the bait. I don't think he takes debate. Nick: okay. Okay. I don't think he take I think he takes the bait on purpose because he's like I could beat this dude's ass anyway, so like sure I'll take the bait like but Julian: Then he whoops him again. Cause that that the only way he takes debate is if he knows he's whooping him. 'Cause either you have to admit he's getting whooped Nick or you know he Which one is it? Nick: You know what? I'm willing to say, okay, I don't think Murdoch's winning the fight, but I do think it will probably be one of those fights that doesn't have a winner that just, you know, either somebody else cuts it short and is like, okay, what are y'all doing? Julian: Or they or they knock each other out. Nick: Yeah, or they knock each other out or something like that because it's just like, obviously, you know, talking no rings, Sung Chi is just like. tremendous fighter, tremendous fighting skills. His dad was when freaking Wu, right? But Murdoch still, Matt Murdoch is a ninja in his own right, and he still has the echolocation. So like, you can't take Julian: Yeah, stick stick did do that. Stick helped him out. Nick: that away, exactly. and I think there would be so much more like, obviously, know, Derrick would be doing all these flips and like acrobatic shit, but like in this fight, I feel like he would be the brute. You more than shung chi would because shung chi is all like, you know light, know air all that shit And so like that would be interesting. That would be a really cool fight. But but yeah Julian: I agree. I agree. That would be a really cool fight. So but that being said, there is f one of my favorite actors, Giancarlo Esposito, who wants to play Mr. Freeze in the DCU. Now this isn't an official casting. It's not an official casting, but he has expressed his want to play the character. And I personally want to give him the role. If I'm the guy, if I'm James Gunn, I'm giving him the role of Mr. Freeze. He plays a you know great villain. He was sidewinder in Captain America, Brave and Bold, New World, you know, which is you know, a waste Nick: In my Julian: in in go ahead. I I'll let you go ahead. Nick: Yeah, no, yeah, I think that's a waste. know, John Julian: I agree. Nick: Carlo, amazing actor, great villain actor, great menacing dude. And like, you know, you kind of just threw him into a role that was like, any guy that can play a menacing dude could have played that role. But he's like at the top of that list. And you just gave Julian: Yeah. Literally. Nick: him a role like that. Like, bro, come on now, give him, I need something with some longevity, something with some. meat on the bones of the story and something that he could really, you know, something with layers levels to it so he could really like get in his bag. They didn't give us that. So. Julian: Literally. They didn't. And I feel like Freeze is a character where he can really do that based off his background with his wife and everything. I think that Nick: Yup. Julian: like, you know, we'll get a lot of really good cutscenes of him loving on her and really book them having an amazing relationship and then her untimely death and then him just doing everything in his power to literally stop it and and then until he arrives on the you know well I guess I gotta freezer. Nick: No, literally. And bro, that's really good that you say that, I think he would do a great job of that transition from being in love and happy and stuff to, no pun intended, just being cold, just super like. You know, it came in a moment I couldn't stop it, you know, just being like, you know, being just super calculated now and being like, okay, I have to do this to bring her back. Like. Julian: Yeah. I I see the rage, like I can see, you know, when like when he's fighting p Batman or whoever, like I can see the anger or the like the the you know, the want to get his wife back and it's like you're not gonna stop me. Like, you know, like I can see him winning his first few fights with bats no matter who it is, because he s he just really like his will to to, you know, bring her back will will last a movie because he can carry the movie that far with his acting. You know, like and that's how you know, ladies and gentlemen, that's how a great actor can affect a movie. You know, Nick: Yep. Julian: like they can carry a character like Mr. Freeze very far for one movie. And so that being said though, I think that, you know, would Esposito bring something new to Mr. Freeze or do you think he would roll like his the role would feel too similar to his other calm calculating villains like Moff Gideon or like I don't know if you've seen him in Breaking Bad but the guy I forget Los Poils chicken in Breaking Bad. I can't remember his name right now. It's I'm blanking. Nick: I am not a hip to break it back yet. That's one of my one of my media blind spots for sure. It's on my list. I'm gonna get to it. But no, I but Julian: I'm still getting through it, if I'm gonna be honest with the you know with with everybody, but it's and my par my partner, she put me onto it. it's it's still it's it's pretty good. but like it's it's har it was harder for me to get into g Gus, that's his name. He was Gus in yeah, he was Gus in Breaking Nick: Gus. Julian: Bad. Or Gustavo Nick: Tough. yeah. Julian: Fring. Nick: True. But that, I mean, that is a good question though, because like, like, you know, like we started, started off saying he's like at the top of the list in terms of, you know, those guys who can play like, you know, villains and antagonists and, know, in a really like chilling way. So would this be, Julian: Mm. Nick: would this be like kind of a typecast for him because he, you know, he plays, he always plays those roles. Or would it just be good? I think it would just be good. I think it would just be good shit. I don't care for the typecast. I'll take it anyway. But, okay. Julian: I agree. I just got an idea. What if what if he played instead of who's the guy who played Ooh sorry, had to zip my thing up, it was cold. But who's Nick: It's not you guys. Julian: the guy who played The dude in the Force Awakening who he gave the speech, he's like the first Galactic Empire. Nick: my boy General Hux. Julian: Yes. General Hux. Nick: Yeah, I can't, I don't know his name off the top of my head, but yeah, yeah, I know that guy. Julian: Okay, so imagine if they had Moff Gideon be him. And it was like now granted, I'm not saying that he needed a replacement and he didn't do a great job, he did an amazing job. So so Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Julian: like I I'm cool with how they did it. But just imagine though if he was if his Moff Gideon got to carry the in that role. Nick: Ooh. Ooh. I like that. I like that a lot. I like that a lot. Julian: Just just just so that it's not like a it's a more serious second big bad next to Pal Patoon versus it being Nick: Yeah, that would be that would. Julian: like a kind of a you know, like a gag character in at the end. Thank you. Thank you. Nick: Yeah, I wouldn't even say bless you. I wouldn't even say I wouldn't even say he's a gag character. I just feel like since he's only on TV. He doesn't have like he seems like he like more of a guy character just because he doesn't have the same like cinematic gravitas as as as Palpatine but but but Julian: Right. I agree. I can get that. I can get that. But it but it Nick: I just I could see I see what you're saying though like like to kind of like deep in the lore of his character and his impact in Star Wars to have him be that role, that would make sense. Julian: Yeah. Right. Nick: timeline wise, it wouldn't Julian: Time wise, yeah. Nick: make sense just because he's already defeated and shit by the time we get to the First Order stuff. Julian: He'd he would have been old too. Nick: Yeah, facts, facts, facts. Julian: So so General Hux was obviously the best decision, but like if they were able to, you know, go back in time and like flip flop that, that'd be cool. Like if Nick: Yeah, yeah, that'd be tough. Julian: unless like like he was just General Hux and then Bro was Moff Gideon. Like that would have been Nick: Not yet. Julian: cool too, 'cause like I think he d did a great Moth Gideon too. So But maybe maybe the Disney execs like they went over that and maybe test screened that, like we don't know. So like that which would have been cool if they did because hey, we're on the right we're we're thinking like them, we're on the right track. Nick: Cause yeah, I mean, yeah, cause at this, I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cause yeah, cause Mando had, yeah. Well, no, mean, cause Mando or force awakens came out before Mando came out, like a few years Julian: Yes. Nick: before Mando came out. So I don't know, I don't know, but we're, we're getting into a tangent though. Julian: that's true. That's true. Yeah. So you're right. So they wouldn't have ever crossed paths more than likely. Anyways, yeah. Sorry. Tangent. Nick: Yeah, yeah, but it's all right. It's all right. Yeah, lastly, before we get on to the lanterns discussion, there has been an announcement of a sequel for World War Z. You know, a little movie that came out in like what, 2011 or something like that, starring Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: Brad Pitt with, you know, it's World War Z, zombie apocalypse, baby. Paramount is moving forward. And Brad Pitt is returning as Jerry Lane Edward Berger the director of Conclave and all quiet on the Western Front is attached to direct so This is you know that that's promising you know Brad Pitt returning and you know we got a fucking Edward Edward Berger as the director but It's been what I said 2011. It's been 15 years Julian: So So just to give you just to correct you real quick, it's twenty thirteen it came out. So yeah, so t it's been thirteen years, which is still a good amount of time. Nick: 2013, okay 2013, 2013. 13 years. Yeah, 13 years and like me personally? I was fine with World War Z, but I was never like, I need more of this. I guess the way it ends, I'm like, okay, wait, are they setting something up? Are they setting up a sequel? But I never was clamoring for that sequel. So now it's 13 years later. Julian: See, I I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. I stand on the other side of that because Nick: Really? Julian: when I watched it, for the first time, I kind of wanted more and was hoping for a sequel. We never got it, but now we are. So th I'm I'm kind of I'm hyped for this because I've I kinda wanted the sequel if I'm being honest, because it's like it left a lot of room on the table because, you know, at the end he gets the cure and now they have to inoculate everybody with it. So it's like Okay, that process might take. But then whatever what happens to the ones that are like that, d what do they what do they do with them? Like do we get a situation that's kind of similar to to Bone temple, I'm blanking on it. Nick: 28 years Julian: Yes. I do we get a situation like that where, you know, it's been X amount of time, twelve, fifteen years, however long however long, like do we, you know, is he 'cause he's coming back, right, to reprise the role. So Nick: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Julian: then yeah, we're gonna see, you know, a version of him that we d we don't know. Nick: I guess, damn, that's probably, it's probably one of the only things you could have said that would actually get me a little more excited for this because the way, because this hit, you know, I feel the same way about this kinda as I did about 28 years, except I hadn't seen 28 years when it came out. So like, Julian: Okay, that's fair. Nick: I had seen 28 years and I was just like, you know, this is a really good zombie movie. But like I was, again, I was never asking for more, more like that. And then I saw Julian: Right. Nick: 28 or I mean 28 days, 28 days. And then I saw 28 years when it came out last year and I was like, this is awesome. This is great. Like, and then bone temple came out this year and I ate that shit up too. So making that comparison. Julian: Temple's amazing. Nick: Yeah. Yeah. I love. Yeah. So making that Julian: Like Nick: comparison gets me probably five to 10 % more excited. just because, okay, we're in a new age, new technology, new film, all this stuff, and maybe we can tweak it and it more interesting. Julian: That's interesting. That's good then. That's gonna be a Nick: play it in the back. Julian: really? That's that'll that that'll make good content. For for our animal lovers. Nick: Yeah, they just were... yeah, for sure. Yup, yup, yup. But all right, the time is now for anybody... Excuse me, excuse me. The time is now. Lanterns discussion episode six. It's about to commence. You know what that means. Julian: Spoiler warning, red flashing alarms, green flashing alarms. Nick: Woop! Woop! Woop! Woop! Julian: So that being said, let's get ready to Nick: Yep, yep, if you... Julian: talk about episode six, Bad Optics. Nick: Yes, yes, it would be bad for your optics if you kept listening to this and you haven't yet seen the episode. So pause it, go watch the episode, come back and hit resume. Okay, okay. Julian: is as you know at the as the concession stand, we are the place before, after, and maybe sometimes during your show. Nick: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Couldn't have said it better myself. All right. So let's let's get let's get into it. Episode six. We were 10 years in the future. We're in 2026. We've been this whole this whole time. We've been in 2016. Now we're in 2026 and we're shifting from OK, who is it? Who is this man hunter to now we're in murder mystery mode. Who killed Hal Jordan? Who killed our boy? OK. Like. And the fact that they're coming back to this in episode six, when they dropped this on us in episode one, Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: well done because I thought that would be, I thought I would be clamoring for the answer throughout every single episode after that. But like they just hit us with so much of the like, you know, the man hunter stuff, know, the how training John, all this others like, so to where I, it's not that I forgot, but I just wasn't even concerned about what happened with how in the future. But Julian: Right. Nick: now that we're here. You Julian: Now w now we have to deal with it. 'Cause you know, Nick: Yep. Julian: we we we get to analyze, you know, John being an architect. Guy Gardner is the ring or has is the f you know, the active Green Lantern on Earth. And, you know, this is after the Rushville stuff, you know, Guy puts up the Green Lantern, you know, knockoff or the knockoff bat signal I should call it. Nick: Yep. Julian: And you know, and then we get to see, you know, how he's built a name for himself and architecture, how you know he designs bunkers and panic, you know, panic bunkers for the wealthy, and trying to get it done for the you know the government so that like if a city, you know, were like cause you know, in this episode we got like about five, I would say, different Easter eggs slash, you know, like they're like the world building that's going on for the DC right now, insane. You know, they talked about Star Nick: Mm-hmm. Julian: O. They talked about They talked about Batman. They talked Nick: Yep. Julian: about help me out here, Nick. I'm blanking. Nick: yeah, it was a Batman star. so Suicide Squad reference and what was it? There was a What am I? man. Julian: Carl the Carol Ferris one. Nick: yeah, and then carry on. Julian: was it Superman? Nick: I feel like there was a Superman one, I just can't remember what it was. Julian: Me doing that right now. Either way, there was a lot of callbacks to these different DC projects because and it was yeah, I think it's Superman, it was Superman Suicide Squad and Batman, and then it was the Carol Ferris who's Nick: Yeah. Julian: you know the Violet Lantern, which is the emotion of love for all of our listeners who aren't familiar. But that being said, it's very, very good so far. You know, the whole episode was great in my opinion, but as where we're where we're at in the episode as far as where we're talking. you know, it's it was very, very hard and, you know, to see, you know, how John and his family shaking out are shaking out. 'Cause you can hear the you know, that when he's arguing with his brothers, you know. Like they're not addressing colorism right away. Like they are, but they're not. It's like they're not saying it out loud yet. But it feels like we're getting close to them saying it out loud, you know, to me at least, you know, with some of his brothers, just way how they you know, their conversations went when they're just at when he's asking for a simple task or simple help, you know, just some help. So like, Nick: Yeah. Julian: you know, and just the different ways their brothers his brothers, you know, treat them, they treat him, they call him chosen. And you know, he's at the point with his mom and dad where he don't even really call them his n call them their names anymore. Nick: Yeah, or they're the you don't even call him his parents. He just you know, he Bernadette's calling is not mom He's burning debt and like, you Julian: Right. Nick: know, obviously some people do that, you know when they grow and shit some people, know, just some people I wasn't paying attention in 2016 I don't know if they were if it was different back then or you know if it had something that changed but In terms of the colorism of it. I think that they don't even have to kind of like at this point in time they don't really have to make it as obvious just because of how that backstory episode with John, like in episode three with John, know, John's upbringing and stuff, how they laid Julian: Right. Nick: it out in that. like they, you know, they had the whole, they had John mentioned to the guardian in the interview that, you know, John's brothers always told him that he, you know, he got it lucky because he was light skinned and you know, they, you know, they always made fun of him for it. And then we get it again, the callback last episode when, when John tells Zoe, if, know, if he, if he isn't healed right, and he comes out darker, they're going to, you know, they're going to get, he's never going to hear the end of it from his brothers. So just like those kind of like subtle drops throughout to leading up to this when there's that you know when we he has one of his brothers who he's literally working with and like they have a good relationship and then there's the other one who is very distant and you know literally greets him with You know with a negative attitude and all this stuff So it's like when Julian: yes, exactly. Nick: you feel that and that can't finally hits you're like, okay We know what's playing into it. We know what a lot of this is rooted in. And same with the chosen nickname. The chosen nickname, wouldn't say necessarily plays into the colorism of it, but it's more about just his literal, yeah, Julian: No. Yeah, the the his experience. Nick: you were supposed to be, you were raised as the chosen one. So you're chosen, sorry. man. Yeah. Julian: You're chosen. Yeah, 'cause they chose you, literally. Like, you know, like their parents. So and I can understand that aspect of it with them, you know, but like would you say that because like I felt like they handled it, you know, naturally through the character and didn't change the dialogue or like have the dialogue forced or feel too direct. where it's like they're they're yelling that at us and I think that was a that's a good way for them to kinda handle it within the show because they're you know, it comes off natural and like almost more lifelike versus like them trying to deliver a specific message and they tell you and say that message to you. Nick: Right, right, for sure, for sure. Julian: So Nick: yeah. And it's like, okay, so let's talk about, let's talk a little bit about John, like, you know, John's life, not like, not necessarily Julian: Yeah. Nick: as an architect, but just like how he's moving right now, right? So, Julian: Right. Nick: you know, he's about to close it. He's about to lock down this deal with the government, like you said. Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: and you know pretty much he's all but got it in the bag. The dude tells him to his face if you deliver the same exact pitch you you're good you're chilling all right and then as soon as he finds out that something's happening in Rushville you know or you know or that his mom tells him that Hal wants to give him an apology. He goes to Rushville immediately no hesitation starts up the truck Julian: Without thinking. Nick: Let's go. Okay. And what this tells me or when I first watched it, I was thinking, okay, he, know, I know my boy wants that apology. I know he wants that apology. So he's going to, you know, he's, he's going to get it right now. But you know, after watching the episode in full and thinking about it a little bit more, there's, it's so clear that after him and both John and how pretty, pretty colossally screwed Rushville back in 2016. Julian: Yes, they did. Nick: You know, it's weighing its weight on John for the last 10 years, you know, so now we're at the point where he has You know his only opportunity to go back to rushville or the first opportunity that's presented to him to go back to rushville He takes it, you know And I think that has a lot to do with just like Julian: Yep. It does. Nick: the guilt the guilt that he feels for you know What happened even though even though Julian: Right. Nick: in his mind he probably blames how for most of it But at Julian: Right. Nick: the end of the day, they're both at fault And the fact that he kinda, maybe this is a wild comparison, but it kinda reminds me of Zuko in The Last Airbender, right? the other part of Jon's eagerness to go back to Rushville has to do with, again, how he was raised. or that the decision to not take the ring pretty much. Julian: T I agree because he he secretly secretly probably regretted his decision after Nick: I don't even think necessarily that. think that like, just think about that, and this is where the Zuko comparison comes in, right? He's been raised literally his whole life to want that ring. And then he turned it down and had to build a life for himself, which he did, but it's just like when you've literally been built and trained and Julian: Yeah, you know what? Nick: physically, you know, whatever to want something and then now you're supposed to, just, I don't want it anymore. There's like, you're going to feel like some sort of withdrawal, like, or like in some sort, like not like literal withdrawal, but like, I don't know. It's going to be like, you're going to feel a change kind of like how in last airbender season two, when Zuko kind of makes the decision to like, okay, I'm not going to chase down the avatar anymore. Like I'm not going to serve my father anymore. He literally gets sick and I, you know, he falls ill and I rose like, you know, when you're, when you have like these changes in like identity and truth and like what you believe. it can, and like that are super drastic. can literally like alter your body and like your chemistry. like it didn't work necessarily happened the same way with John, but like it sat with him for 10 years. So, so, Julian: Yeah. It did. Nick: you know, of course he can, we went back to Rushville when he thought how I was going to give him an apology. So. Julian: Ex yeah, exactly. But he as soon as he sees how Hal does some Hal Jordan stuff, doesn't give the apology, says he ain't getting one, and then tried to say he was a killer or there's more than one killer at this table. Or, you know. He Nick: He's right though. He's right though. Julian: he is right. There he wasn't wrong about that. But it was, you know, it was very, very, you know, poetic in the way. And then and then some irony in a way where we see the child, you know, who he gave that watch to, and we see her again waiting tables or g waiting or waiting on his table, I should say. And so Nick: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Julian: and especially that being said, so And there's those are two there's and I have a theory about her as well, because like it seems like there's like they're putting people who could be or like could be lanterns in certain ways. Cause like I'm pretty sure there was a lantern. Now this is a comic book lantern. I don't know if they ever did an animation on her. But she was like, I wanna say she gets the ring young. I don't know what the writer was thinking when he wrote this character, but She's Hal Jordan's protege. He's like treating her like a little sister. And she has a crush on him. And obviously her being 13, no, that does not fly. Well, I I'm almost positive she the way the the comic goes, we'll have to check this. she used her ring to age herself up. To like eighteen or nineteen. And then Nick: Huh? Julian: yeah, so there it was so like I don't think they're gonna do that with her. But like that that yeah, like that would be pretty aggressive. But like in the comic, Nick: Yeah, yeah, I hope not. Yeah. Julian: like I'm pretty sure that they had the same name if last when I was looking at it. But that would be something, you know, that I but it's you know, just like they put Carol Ferris, it doesn't mean we're gonna get the Violet Lanterns or anything like that. It's just Nick: Right, right, right. Julian: people that that from how story from the comics that they're placing in close proximity in this as Easter eggs, which I thought was cool. Like MOGO, for example. Like this is just another example of that. We might not see them as that. Then we might not ever see them as that. But this is just them giving paying homage to the actual comic and like, you know, what the what that creator created. So which I think is Nick: Facts. Julian: a good thing. You know, no matter Nick: Facts. Julian: as long 'cause like, you know, they couldn't really get away with doing that storyline in today's time. Like, they could not live action that. Like, no way. Nobody's gonna agree like that. Which I don't disagree. Nick: Yeah. Julian: I think that's probably right to keep that cat trapped in that box because that is not something we need to play with. But like literally I think Nick: No, no, no. Julian: that, you know, I think that is that was great because Just just because it's like, you know, we're getting a little Easter eggs. This is great world building. It's just more, you know, pays more to that. You know. Like I had a few friends who also seen the episode say the same thing where they were like, Yeah, this is like one of the best episodes or one of my favorite episodes. And it's not even like, you know, all this action happened. It was just like, you know, Nick: Nope, nope. Julian: we're switching vibes. Like, you know, like we were talking earlier, it's it's almost like the HBO's the penguin. Nick: Facts it's shit cuz it's just so grounded like Julian: Like where it's Exactly. It gets and then now is and it's getting a little darker, you know, and 'cause like now he's getting, you know, we got the ransom going on and this it's it's a lot or the blackmail I should say. But it it's it's a lot of stuff going on. But that before we get, you know, put the the horse in front of the cart, what did you think about his funeral? I I have some comments on this, I'll let you go first. Nick: my God, bro. Like, okay. Okay. Okay. first I like that we got to the point where we like, John wanted to have this funeral because like, you know, they go to the, you know, to the corner or, and you know, they're talking about like all the, you know, how, how he died and all this stuff and, and the, the, the, was, she hated that man. that's real. It was really that scene and the scene of John getting into the fight with what's her name's ex-husband and the townspeople. Julian: yes, Billy. Nick: Those were the only real two scenes that you needed to show how much Rushville hates the Green Lanterns at this point. Like, because Julian: yes. yes. Nick: she literally, she's standing over his dead body with his, you know, with his girlfriend. and his former partner, obviously, rocky relationship, but in her Julian: Yeah. Nick: eyes, she just knows that that's his girlfriend and his former partner. Julian: That that that that could and that right, and that could be his boy. Nick: Right, exactly, it could be his boy, and she's sitting here spinning venom about this man. my God, Julian: Hot fire. Nick: my God. I was like, in front of his girl? Come on. Julian: And then to find out how just went around for the last few years, just going to everybody door to door, asking if you needed help, need to get a c you need him to go pick up the groceries, like Nick: Right. Julian: do that, like which is like for one, like that just shows for one his character, 'cause like he is like there was a reason he was chosen by the ring. Like no matter how far he fell, no matter how much of a you know an an asshole he can be, like, he still was a great, genuine person when it came to certain things. He just had trouble expressing himself to his friends. I'd say he was. And he chose Nick: He was still a hero. Yeah. Yep. Julian: to be be the hero even after he lost his ring. That's what he chose to do. He chas he knew how to do was be a hero, you know, after being the Green Lantern for so long. How can you just go from that and then, you know, where it's supposed to be till you know, in his head till he dies. So like it's you know, it's very interesting to, you know analyze that. So I think Nick: Yeah. Julian: that you know, that being said, it's you know it it was that being said, I don't think he would have gone out how he went out. I think this is my theory, everybody. I'm officially putting out my theory, my prediction f Nick: Okay. Julian: for this episode or for the next episode or maybe the end of the season. I think that was a clone. I don't think that was how. Nick: A clone? What do you- what? A cl- a clon- like- Julian: Yes. I think I think you know, the I think he like some group or something wants him dead. That being said, I think he faked his death via clone. Or Nick: Hmm. Julian: or he is dead, but the c the the AI, the ring AI, is gonna help get him into the his vault, which will either have manhunter technology, the the lantern rechar the you know, the lantern to recharge the ring, or both. Nick: Hmm, okay. Clone I'm not I'm not confident in clone but Julian: Okay. Nick: in the second part that makes more sense to me in like them like now that he has the You know house hologram or the hologram he can get into Julian: Yeah, the hologram. Nick: you know He can get into the box because you know he tried to get into they found the key to house storage unit and tried to get in Julian: Right. Nick: and there was this big alien box that said a If you're not how Jordan, you're not getting in. You understand me? Made it very clear. Yes, this is your only warning. You are not getting in this box. And Johnson understood, Julian: I'm only warning you one time. I thought to myself Nick: okay? Julian: I thought to myself, I wonder what happens if you do do it though. Like I what are the defense capabilities of this box? Nick: I would imagine something along the lines of Rick Sanchez's car, self-defense mode. Julian: You know what? That's a great comparison and I will I have no further questions because that is a deterrent. That is a deterrent. Nick: No, right, like, you're cooked. You're cooked with that. yeah, anyway, so I could see, so now that they can get in because of their, even they have the hologram, I could see there being some sort of technology to bring him back to life, maybe. like, but in like, whether that's manhunter tech, which like, we don't know if they can use manhunter tech to necessarily bring him back or if it's just for healing or whatever. But, you know, or like some Oa, Lantern tech or, but I, I just think it's more likely that he's dead and there's, and Julian: Yeah. Nick: maybe we bring him back than, than it being a clone, just because the Julian: Right. Nick: more I think about that scene in the diner with John and how, like when they actually met up, and John was expecting the apology. John's about to walk out and Hal says, you weren't here. Don't tell anybody you were here. Julian: Right. Nick: And so I'm thinking it maybe it's because he knows he's about to, Julian: Somebody's coming for it. Nick: so yeah, somebody's coming for him and maybe he even knows he's about to die. So it's like, okay, if I am going out, I don't want this guy to be blamed for it if he's going around telling people he saw me. Julian: Right, right. Nick: But like, I feel like there's more to it than that, but like, I don't know. Julian: Yeah, that's a good question. That's a very good question. So I have a question for you. Nick: But, okay. Julian: So did the funeral redeem how it all and or only make his flaws more tragic? Nick: I mean, I think it, wouldn't say it like, I don't know. don't like, I don't think he's a character that necessarily needs redeeming. Like, I mean, okay, okay. Maybe he does because he, you know, he's responsible for a lot of casualties in Rushville. So like in that, in the sense of, okay, did the funeral like make up for all that? No, of course it didn't make up for all that. But. Julian: Well no no no no. I meant like so like you know how he wrote his own eulogy and all that. Like Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Julian: all that stuff that he had in his head on how his funeral was gonna be. And that's there was three people there. Like Nick: yeah, no. Okay, well, I mean, it was honestly that eulogy was just in that scene. I loved that scene. That was probably, that might've been my favorite scene of the episode just because, Julian: One of mine too. Nick: yeah, just because it's like that speech was just so how, and not only is Julian: Exactly. Nick: it so how, like from how, you know, he's greeting all these people that he expects to be at the funeral that literally like, what are you thinking, bro? Like these people are, these people are, yeah. Julian: Presidents, first ladies, world dick world dignitaries, extraterrestrial dignitaries. Nick: Yeah, literally people that aren't thinking about how Jordan right now. and it's literally just three Julian: Thought about it. Nick: people. Yeah. And, so, you know, he starts off, you know, all cocky and like, you know, like what we would expect of how Jordan and it's really just kind of like, you know, you know, off the cuff and everything. then in the second half, it gets like really like real and really just, you know, you can feel it's from the heart and you can feel that it's from somebody who like, has been trying to do good for most of their life and just kind of wants to feel like they actually have. And so that really came through. And all that wrapped up, plus the fact that John is delivering it. John is saying Howe's words over his grave and it's actually, it gets really heartfelt. It's like, was great. That was a really good. Julian: That's purely because you know, Aaron Pierre's delivery on that. Because like if what's the other guy's name? Kevin is it Kevin something? Nick: Kyle Chandler. Julian: Kyle. Because when ca if when Kyle would have done it, it'd have been just it'd have been super how and it'd have been perfect as well. But like just the way he gave it, because he's just he's reading like having his reactions like, dude, this really you really wrote this. You're you're crazy for writing this. Which is Nick: Yeah. Julian: just resolidifies who Hal is as you know, Nick: Yeah. Julian: and you know, some of his flaws, some might say. But, you know, it's interesting, you know, 'cause like I when I watched that scene I felt that like it was it was a very deep scene because, you know, when you when all when it's all said and done what people it's about what people how people remember you and what they remember you for. And clearly, you know, what he did showed how much, you know, what he did mattered ultimately, even though he was a hero to many and you know, but like he was such a like, you know, for lack of better words, not a a a you know, in in some ways an ugly person at times and rub people the wrong way. They, you know, they only care so much. And that's that's true in life I think. Like, you know, when you're not a, you know, nice person or someone who, you know, treats people the right way, people will start not messing with you or not you know, treating you that way or they'll treat you the way you treat them. So I think it it was a f there was a valuable lesson hidden within that as well, you know, just for Nick: Yeah. Julian: the people who were there for you at the end, you know, you know, were you there for them? You know, and so while you were alive. Like so, you know, it was very interesting that one. Like I thought it was they did that scene very great. But, you know, after they found his frozen body, you know, did you notice John look for look at his finger, his ring finger? Because I th Nick: Mm-hmm. I mean... Julian: I'm pretty sure the ring leaves a green stain, right? On your finger. Nick: a green stain? Julian: I'm wearing it. Nick: Does it? don't think I don't think it because like all the times that we if it if it did. Yeah, they never Julian: We've yeah, they never showed us that. Yeah, they never showed us. Nick: showed us that. Yeah, it's like we saw him take off the ring and like give it to John a few times and like I feel like they would have showed us that but Julian: Right. Nick: but it is I don't know. It's like I don't know. Okay. Who do you think like do you have any ideas on who might have killed how at this point? Or, you know, quote unquote killed how if that's yes, we find out. Julian: So Sinestro broke out, so Sinestro Sinestro could have had someone kill him, but like I for whatever reason actually I thought he might have killed himself, but now that now that I've like done some thinking, I don't think he probably did. I think he definitely got killed 'cause him I don't think he'd have left Carrie. So Yeah, 'cause they he buttercup. Nick: Right. That's yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Like he was too, especially you heard that voice, that voice note. my God. Buttercup. Buttercup bro. Like how? Come on now. I didn't know you was out. I didn't know you was, was a sweetheart like that, bro. I didn't know you was, Julian: That's so funny. Nick: I didn't know you was a softy. You was a big softy on the inside. Shoot. Okay. Okay. Julian: Right, so but it's you know, it's gonna be interesting, you know, 'cause like I thought it was very cool that, you know, John got guy Gardner to go get the ring from Ullah. Nick: We haven't even talked about Guy. shoot. We was about to get to the end this and I forgot about my boy Guy. Julian: Yeah, so just 'cause I was gonna say this is the last our last portion on on you know, good folks we're hitting hitting hitting our time under here, but we're gonna push through for you guys real quick. But yeah, guy, you know, showing up to you know, just shining and ring on John. But like, you know, when John said to him, You owe me, you know, I I because I turned this down, you have everything you have because of me. So he did it masolid. Got that ring for how. And then what does he say? Don't go play in dress up now. And what does John say? What? Do you think I'm sick? Then then guy goes, No, I just think you're you're someone who knows how to hide his sick. Nick: Bro, bro, honestly, that whole scene was great. Like, that was like, I need, I need more than anything. I know how's dead and whatever. Julian: Guy Gardner's gut though. Guy Gardner's gut though. Nick: do mean? Julian: W he was on point, his gut. Nick: No, no, no, you're right. You're absolutely right. But I need a scene with the three of them, bro. I need Guy Gardner, John Julian: s I need the AI ring. Nick: Stewart, and Hal Jordan in a scene together. I need to see that exchange just because like, Julian: You're a gym teacher? Nick: my bro, bro. He said athletic director, bro. Like, and he. Julian: He was p he was upset by that. Nick: And again, speaking to the connection between the larger DC universe of what we have so far and what's coming up, what a consistent portrayal of Guy by Nathan Fillion through, and this Julian: my goodness. Nick: is his third appearance now. So we've seen it, saw him in Superman, obviously. We saw him in Peacemaker briefly, Caesar II. Julian: And Black Adam. Nick: don't think he was in blackout. and black iron was black items not like items like i was in that's the yeah that was superman yeah so superman peacemaker Julian: That's done. But what w what was the middle finger one? That was Superman, my fault. That's Jar and Poor. I I was I was thinking of like a a country like the Black Adam country. Nick: True true true true true true. Yeah, but and then this but he's like even though all three of those things are like different tones You know Superman Julian: Right. Nick: is like, you know action adventure, but like, know more like family Family-friendly, you know peacemaker is you know funny Julian: Funny, not family friendly, I would say. Nick: But for adults, know, not family friendly. And then this is also for adults, but more gritty, grounded, not much Julian: Right. Nick: of a comedy, but you know, has its moments. then, throughout Julian: Has moments. Nick: Guy Gardner is just Guy Gardner. And like, you know, he comes in with his bull, Julian: All though time. Nick: all the time, comes in with his bull cut, with his little attitude, his cockiness, all this shit. And he's just, and Julian: Bowl cut is what gets me. Nick: my God, bro. The way that he feels the need to talk so much shit to everybody. rocking the bull cut, bro. It speaks for itself. It just like, that is. Julian: Insane. Like, do you do you have you looked in the mirror guy? But hey, it's it it's hilarious though. Like he's Nathan Phillian is doing a great job as him. I I have to say. Like, you know, I have to Nick: Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. And like, Julian: say. Nick: but it was, it was really cool to like see that or Aaron Pierre playing off of that and like showing John's like confidence at this point in time, because it's like Julian: Right. Nick: he. He went you know he went from I mean obviously we know he turned down the ring and everything but then he gets Julian: Right. Nick: to that point right before you know what you said where he's like you know you owe me he was like he was he was he was taunting him he said he said yeah because he was trying to say he was trying to get him to go to oa to you know it's because he wanted to bury hal in his uniform and ring Julian: Mm-hmm. Nick: know he said and you know guys like i'm not doing that i can just go to oa and do that and he said he said i get it you scared i get it i would be you know i i understand you're scared and you think that you somebody with a green lantern ring would not be able to be manipulated that easily, but it was just, it's Guy freaking Gardner and it worked, it worked just like that. Like as soon Julian: Right. Right. Nick: as he called him, he called him scared and then didn't even give it a, give it a chance for him to like, for him to fight back. He said, you owe me. Do you understand? Julian: Literally. Nick: You, you wouldn't have none of this if I hadn't have said, if I hadn't have made it available for you. So this is, Julian: Literally if I if I didn't i not ex if I took it, you you wouldn't even be here. We wouldn't even be having this conversation. Nick: Literally bro, you would be at a high school softball game right now. So I don't I don't want to hear it. Julian: Yeah, that's crazy. Not the high school softball game. Nick: but yeah, so, just, know, wrapping this up here, what, do you, yeah, again, bring, bring it back to my form with my other question. Do you, do you have any theories on who, I mean, like, see, I know you said the Sinestro thing, but is there anybody, that you think? Julian: See if if Noah was a manhunter, that would be all my only thing, but it wouldn't make sense for him to be a manhunter because he was she was born through Carrie. Unless Billy was a manhunter, which also wouldn't make sense makes sense being Macon's son. So that being said Like I'm so I'm still leaning 'cause like it wasn't it was a nine millimeter bullet. It wasn't like it was a laser or space gun. So like Nick: Yep, yep. Julian: who did it? I don't know. That's like that's the hard part. You know, 'cause like what could be funny is was it Bernadette Bernadette? Was it his dad? Was it his brothers? See, like, I don't think so. Why? That's exact exactly why. And so Nick: Nah, because like, why? I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, why? Julian: Like that's why I don't think Bernadette would have did it. And then like the place where he got shot at, the high school, it seems like there had to be a re like that felt personal because why was he at the same scene of the kind that brought them all there in the first place? So like or was he just sitting up there thinking about all that and then, you know, somebody shot him? Like was it a random person in town? Just a random nobody that took him out. Like I think our we're we're it's more likely that Nick: There's definitely a chance of that. And honestly, I hadn't thought about that until you just said it. if this episode has showed us anything, it's like we said at the start, Rushville hates Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart at this point. And Julian: Right. Nick: Guy Gardner for that matter. Julian: Because why would it s because like again, why would an alien just come to Rushville at this point and do that with with a human gun at that? Nick: I mean it could maybe was another man, but why how would another I mean it's been ten years So like mate, but how we I don't know. don't know. I don't think another man hunter. It would be Julian: We we we would have to Nick: entertaining Julian: I think it's it's you know, it's it's best for this one, you know, like our best prediction on this one is to wait for the next episode because they've done a good job at masking it. Nick: Okay, wait, this is like a half-assed prediction. I don't have anything real. I don't... Okay, okay. Julian: let me hear it then. Cause you 'cause I might be able to go for to build off of yours. Let me see. Go ahead. Nick: So, in this episode, we see a lot of Carrie's son. Julian: So isn't that's why I said Noah. Nick: No, yeah, no. And so Noah, he's I from what we've been shown, like, you know, older version of Noah, he's, you know, I'm Julian: Superstar. Nick: yeah, I like him. I like, you know, I like him. I'm, you know, I'm banging with him. He seems like a stand up guy, but I feel like something is going to like a shoe is going to drop about him. Yeah. Julian: S like like something's off, you think? Nick: Like something is a lit like, like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Like think about, Julian: He's too perfect, isn't he? He's too perfect for you, isn't he, Nick? Nick: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Think about who his dad is. Like, We hate that guy, especially after this episode. So. Julian: And I don't know. It's i like 'cause like I thought about that, like what if like something with Noah, but like then it the implications would be like, okay, well then was Billy sleeping with Shorty and then got her pregnant? But like But like she claims her as his Nick: I don't know. Julian: son. So like that's why I was like I threw that idea out the window. But I do think Noah is a little s suspicious just because something like when you're looking for it to be someone, it's easy to to for the most perfect person to become a a a suspect at times, especially especially in a show like this. Nick: Nah, that's And honestly, I wouldn't want it to be him just because I like him as a character. Julian: Exactly. Nick: If everything they've given us about him is true to his character, then I like him. But I don't know. Maybe you're right. we're just all looking for answers everywhere. But like you said, we just gotta wait until next week. And you already know we'll be back with the coverage. Julian: yeah. But yeah. Nick: Jules, do you want to, what's your rating for this week's episode? What would you give it out of 10? Julian: I'm gonna go with a eight point seven out of ten. How about you? Nick: Probably go eight eight point eight point five. I'll go eight point five like it you know, Julian: Hart. Nick: it was like Obviously, you know, like you said less action less action, but still a great, you know great character Julian: It was great. Nick: episode great, you know Yeah, Julian: Great world building. Nick: great world building in the outer DC you and you know, just we're it's right I wouldn't say it's I mean it's necessarily ramping up like it's ramping up in the sense that the season's ending soon, but like I just keep getting more invested in like different ways that I wasn't expecting. So it's just, you know, Julian: Right. Nick: it's always, it's always getting better. So love, love to see it. to see it. What are you, what are you excited Julian: Exactly. So but before we leave, yeah I was gonna say go Nick: about Jules? What are you excited about? That's either out or, you know, coming out soon. Julian: So Thursday, I'm gonna go see Primetime, which is gonna be fire. I'll be gonna go see Resident Evil this Saturday. And your mother, your mother, your mother. I'm gonna be seeing that Friday, hopefully. And I'm excited for all three. I'm also very close to the end of Wolverine, guys. I had to take a break because of work. But it was it's right now I'm in the saber tooth, you know, end of the game, saber tooth fight because saber tooth. Obviously gonna be a boss that you gotta fight. So they people were saying the game had only four bosses. I am counting a lot more bosses than that. we've have Omega Red, the Sentinel, Nick: What's her name? Lady Destruct. Julian: Lady Death Strike, Sabretooth, which is four, and then I know for a fact I'll at some point be fighting Nathaniel Essex or for everybody else, Mr. Sinister. Nick: the service Julian: So that's a total of five or six bosses, potentially, maybe another mini boss. And I've they already introduced sentinels as just regular fighters. So right now I'm regularly f on the fighting just gi just sentinels. Not the giant sentinel, but like like the sentinels that will just come and p you know, kidnap you. You know. 'Cause right now Nick: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. True. Julian: in this story, they're you know, doctor Mr. Sinister's kidnapping humans with a dormant X gene so he can switch the X gene on. Nick: Mmm true true. I mean that yeah, that's on brand for him. That's on brand for him Julian: Yeah. And and they still gave him the, you know, seventeen hundreds, you know, startup, you know, killed his or his wife was a mutant. He grafted her mutant DNA her ex gene and put it and grafted it to his DNA. So like that's how Nick: See you. Julian: he has her powers. So yeah, so there's a lot of stuff that's happened. He's lived forever. They st they still have stuff to explain because I remember giving blood to him in this ep in the episode. So I won't be surprised if he uses all of our powers on us at some point. So Nick: Damn. Julian: It's gonna be Nick: Damn. Julian: very, very interesting. But Nick, how about you? Are you excited for anything? Nick: yeah, so this Thursday at 9 we are getting Special Forces Season 5 is back Julian: Mm. Nick: for my anybody you know anybody in the reality TV space my head's out here anybody who isn't hip to Special Forces or isn't even in the reality TV you might like this just because it's like More it's you know, basically the premise is know, you get a group of like celebrities or well-known people, you know, like, Julian: yeah, this thing. Nick: yeah former former athletes, you know what, you know, whatever they put, you know, and they they Yes, yes cam newton cam newton was that was on it one year Julian: Cam Newton was famously in this, guys, if you were wondering. And he didn't finish, I don't think. Nick: No, no, he did not. Yeah, yeah, I was camped. But basically, you know, they get a group, the group of celebrities and they do special forces training. So, you know, they get like, there's like four or five special forces, you know, retired operatives or whatever. And they, you know, each week they have to, they do like a number of challenges, you know, individually and as a team. And, you know, they have to do stuff like, you know, like walk. like, you know, not like a tightrope, like they have to like, you know, scale like some like ravine that's like, you Julian: Yeah. Nick: know, 400 feet in the air while like holding on to some, you know, some crazy thing, or they have to do like a helicopter dive out of like hundred feet in the air into the ocean or something like that. And it's just like, you know, it's just normal as people doing all this special forces training stuff. And, you know, Julian: That's kinda cool. Nick: it's, it's always my favorite part of the show is always seeing which celebrities crack that you didn't expect to crack that soon. Cause it's Julian: Yeah. Nick: like, like, my God, like I, there was a season I think it was Richard Sherman was on and, Julian: Ooh. Nick: and, and it's like, bro, Richard Sherman, like, you know, that's a, that's like, bro, Julian: I would have expected him not to crack. Did he crack? Nick: like, and I, he, I think he, probably cracked like, like less than halfway through the season. Like he didn't even make it that far. And, and he didn't even, no, no, no, that this is what pisses me off to this day. Like he didn't even crack. He chose to leave because he got freaking mad about his harness not being put on the right way. He was about to do this thing where he's strapped up to at the top of this big declining wall or whatever. And so they were bet. Julian: Is he thinking they was trying to kill me? Nick: I mean nah, it was was all like he was complaining about like how it felt or something like that and then so like he ended up doing it and then so he had already like Completed the thing which means he could have just moved on so it's not like he quit cuz he chickened out but like he was just he was bitching at the at the Instructors because like the harness wasn't on right or whatever and he said nah, I'm done. I'm out. I'm gone like and I'm like bro like We you you you could have just kept going and you would have been fun like bro, whatever whatever But it's moments Julian: Interesting. Nick: like that that make me keep coming back for the show. And it's also cool. Julian: Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I'll definitely be interested in that. Nick: Yeah, it's also cool when they actually do accomplish stuff. after being like, you know, either. You know just improving from the start or like, you know, whatever like personal issues like that might be getting in the way of that You know, whatever so, you know, it's a cool. It's a cool little reality show definitely talk about talked about that for more than I wanted to but the other thing I'm excited for Julian: Yeah. Nick: is Forgotten Island coming out this Friday. It's you know week of movies at the theaters this weekend like Jules was Julian: yeah. Nick: saying so the Forgotten Island is this animated movie by DreamWorks and it's about you know these these two girl best friends that get like stuck on this island where like they're meant you know it tries to take their memories away and stuff so yeah Julian: it's just that. Nick: you definitely I'm surprised you haven't seen the trailer for it you should definitely check it out after this for anybody who hasn't Julian: Yeah, I'll check it Nick: seen yeah for anybody who hasn't seen the trailer check it it has kind of like that same I don't even know if I don't think Dreamworks did kpop Demon Hunters, but it like kind of reminds me of the kpop Demon Hunters animation so So yeah, Julian: Okay, okay, okay. I get what you're saying. Nick: but But yeah, I'm really excited for that Yeah Yeah, yeah, but So yeah, that's that's that's the show take us home Julian: Okay. That's gonna be interesting. Okay. Well then. Okay, guys. Well, that wraps up the episode nine for the concession stand. Let us know what you guys think about the new nightfall trailer and whether you know what you guys think about Giancarlo Esposito, you know, should he play Mr. Freeze? So and that being said, you know, especially Tune in next Sunday, the 27th, for that episode of Lanterns so we can see who killed Hal Jordan. And you know, be sure to like and subscribe and follow the show. And, you know, don't miss next week's episode. Until next time, grab a refill, meet us back at the concession stand. Nick: Peace. Julian: Peace.