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Discovering Bitcoin with Monika Bravo · Discovering Bitcoin

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Yeah, I see the world through an entirely different lens.
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It doesn't just give you confidence, but it gives you
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hope. Take like we're.
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Squandering our energy, our life force.
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So Bitcoin is changing that. For me it's like it's.
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Healing energy. It gives you a kind of office
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then feeling right. Well.
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Deep and deep and deep. In the Immortal.
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Words of the doors, the time to hesitate us through.
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Discovering. Monica, how's it going?
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Hey DJ, I'm good. Thank you for having me.
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It's a pleasure, it's a pleasure.
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It's an honour. Buddy of mine who is friend of
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the pod, been on the pod once before, showed me your book.
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It didn't lend it to me. It just showed it to me through
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a like a text message. And I'm pretty sure you've,
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you've come up here and there on my Nosta and, and in the last
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couple of weeks, I guess I've been, you know, dipping in and
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out of your sub stack and OK, reading some of your notes,
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which sounds a little bit panopticon, to be honest, or a
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little bit spy. But no, my point I think is that
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you're exploring a lot of concepts, notions, ideas in and
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around Bitcoin, or at least anchored to Bitcoin, but pulling
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in from all of these consciousness philosophical
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things. And so for frequent listeners of
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the pod, if this isn't your GM, if you prefer the other other
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kind of episodes, I don't know, stick with it, you know,
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challenge yourself. So anyway, thank you for coming
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on the pod and I'm excited to have this chat.
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Me too. I love to be able to meet you
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virtually like this and kind of know that you've been reading
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what I write. And to be honest, I write a lot
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as an inner dialogue. I write for myself, like I'm an
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artist too. And I, I create art for myself.
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Then, you know, having viewers or having readers is like a
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second layer that I adore. But the intention is what it
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really to connect to my innermost self.
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So I can put it out there and then I can reread myself, re
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listen to myself, re see what I'm doing, because that's the
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way I kind of decipher this reality.
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But I love when people connect to reading my books on my stuff
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like and they come back and say that they they have one or two
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things that they resonate. So it makes really sense.
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Yeah, birds of a feather then, because I mean, this pod is is
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great. The people listen to it.
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I love it. But ultimately it's, it's like a
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cheat code for me to a, have some sort of like reality check
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therapy session and B, you know, just in it's, it's a very time
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saving thing. So I, I used to write a lot as
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well, but life at the moment doesn't afford that luxury.
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So I can have these conversations and kind of, yeah.
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Anyway, I think we're aligned. Let's get into the podcast.
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How did you discover Bitcoin? Let's say that this girl was
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trying to discover me for a long time and I was like, you know,
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when you have all this mosquitoes and you go, go away,
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go away. I'll I'll be back, but I don't
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have time for you. So I first heard about it from a
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very good friend back in New York.
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I lived in New York 27 years. And this is woman from my
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country, from Columbia that she just called me one day and she
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said, let's have lunch. And she said, Monica, whatever
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money you have aside by Bitcoin and I just like remember looking
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at her like, what on earth are you talking about?
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Like, because we never spoke about money.
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And so it's not gonna lunch. Mr. The Orange, please, this is
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great. Yeah, and she's telling, like I
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am telling people that I care for, which I, I'm really
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thankful that she tried to do that.
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But at the time I was, I was already very deep into my matrix
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of living in New York and being in a marriage that I wanted out.
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I wanted out of. I'm a professional artist.
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So I had dealers, I had like galleries that I was working
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with. But I already knew that the
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system was rigged. Everything was wrong.
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This is post, you know, 2008 and I had really seen the 2008.
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Really my life and the life of my husband and the company that
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we had. So I was kind of looking for a
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way out, but I don't think I was ready for Bitcoin because I
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mean, now I know that if I had jumped, probably it would have
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helped me to get quicker out of where I was, but it was not what
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I did, but I did this like this is too much for me.
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It sounds great. Congratulations, you know, like,
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whatever, but I'm not going to deal with that.
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Like a year later again, another person goes like, hey, if you
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have, I don't know, $3000 whatever.
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I mean, the price was so low, but it's like you can invest and
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you can really gonna earn a lot of money.
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And I was like, I got to deal with my and so I, I basically
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wanted out of my marriage and wanted out of everything.
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And I made a strategy how to get out because I was very, I had a
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company together with my husband.
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We didn't have anything separated.
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The match was not really happening.
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And I was hitting every day in New York.
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I was hitting the high time preference life.
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I was hitting the Fiat world. But I didn't know that that's
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what I hated. You know what I mean?
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It's like you don't like your life anymore, but you don't know
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what is it that you don't like. And I didn't know that what I
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didn't like had it was so connected to money or what
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money. And so that's why I kind of like
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disregarded. So Fast forward a little bit, I,
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I do get the divorce. I made a very bad deal in my
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divorce because I wanted out so much that I ended up giving all
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the liquidity to my ex and stay with like debts and stuff like
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that. I, I really did a very bad deal.
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And so I experienced for a year and a half like a lot of
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uncertainty with my future and a lot of nervousness.
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So I knew that I had to dive into myself like, like, who am
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I? And I've done a lot of work with
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Taoist teachers, you know, meditation.
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I've done the Kabbalah, I've done, I've been a Yogi.
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I've been like, I've been in the spiritual path since forever.
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But I knew that I had been cheating somewhere because I
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couldn't believe that I had arrived to a place where so many
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things were like showing a fault like it was.
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It was like you're not doing the right thing.
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And I didn't want to blame myself.
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I just thought maybe I didn't really pay attention to a couple
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of steps. So I decided to look for a way
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to to get back to those steps but do them correctly.
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So I found that I could study evolutionary astrology, which is
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a very logical thing to study if you want to find out what your
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soul is doing here because it's based on numbers.
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A lot of people think that astrology is woo woo, but I
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mean, it could sound woo, but actually it's more about
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understanding the harmonics and the actually the mathematics of
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your chart when you're born and there's a code and you kind of
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decipher the code if if you know how to do it or you have like a
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good advice, right or good teachers that tell you how to do
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that. So I studied that, and I found
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out that by studying that, I was finding the thread back to
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myself. So when I start finding that
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thread, somebody else came around and said Bitcoin, and I
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said, all right, how do I do that?
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And this person just downloaded one of those exchanges apps that
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you can buy all kinds of stuff and, and I put some money there,
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but I didn't pay attention. I was not, you know, I was like,
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OK, I have some whatever, I have $1000 whatever I put there.
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And then, you know, you start hearing that there are other
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points. I didn't even know the, you
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know, the title of shit points or anything like that.
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I had no idea what I was doing. So I started buying all kinds of
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shit, like really. But one day I had this clear
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realization that it will be easier for me and cheaper if I
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take the money that I'm putting there and I'm literally throwing
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inside of the toilet. It's going to take less effort
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than if I just try to do, you know, this thing that I'm trying
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to do. Oh, yeah, I have Bitcoin.
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But I was buying, selling. I didn't even know what trading
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was. I was just playing.
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And I thought, this is ridiculous.
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So yeah, 2020 came and I escaped New York.
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I basically left within weeks. I had a dream.
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The dream said move out of New York and I moved to Miami Beach.
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I didn't want to be in Miami like Miami, FL because I don't
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like driving and I didn't want to drive.
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I know how to drive, but I don't like driving.
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I don't like to be a victim or how to say like a slave of, of
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transportation like that. I, I like to walk 27 years in
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New York. I walk every block and I like to
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bike. So I'm AI like my bicycle and I
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like walking and I, that's it. So I, I thought, OK, if I can
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live near the beach, I will move.
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And so I just closed my eyes and I said, I want to live by the
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beach. And within 24 hours I had found
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the right apartment which I'm still living in it.
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Yeah, that's some like, never got A type stuff.
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My goodness. 100% because Neville, like I love Neville,
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I've been doing Neville for a long time and and I always speak
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in the in the like, thank you for this.
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And and I already I manifest everything that I want in that
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way. And I never, I don't doubt it.
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When I'm sure that is my my destiny, I actually listen to my
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dreams. My dreams speak to me and never
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question never I go, alright, what is it that I have to do?
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So for instance, one of the things that I ask myself every
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morning is like show me the way, what's there for me to do And I
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and I have hints that are telling me meditation, this that
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and that's why I follow those. I follow a lot my inner my inner
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dreams and my inner my higher self, however you want to call
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it God. I mean, it doesn't matter the
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Virgin Mary, Jesus, my mom that is dead.
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I don't know the ghost. Source.
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Yeah, the Spirit. Yeah, universe, the whatever.
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Like, I don't, yeah, I don't care about the.
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Name I care about. Yeah, but for me, it's like the
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truth. It's the truth that he's like.
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And it's showing me how do I know is the truth when I'm
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aligned and things happen in a good way.
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And if sometimes things don't happen in a good way, I stop.
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And I always say show me the way.
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And that's what happened in 2016, more or less, when I got
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the divorce. And oh, my God, it was a
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disaster for a year and a half. I was suffering a lot.
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I actually wanted to, and I mean, I've said this already
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before and I mean, I'm not ashamed or happy about it, but I
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did think about cutting my life short because I was desperate.
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I was like, I made a mistake. I made a mistake.
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I don't know where I made the mistake.
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And I was just turning 50 and just couldn't believe it.
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And I remember something very magical happened those days that
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somebody that now is a friend, she was looking for me.
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She's she wanted to be an artist.
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She was starting to be an artist.
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She had seen my work in in Venice, in a Venale and she
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contact me, she wanted to do an interview with me and I was
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like, why does one person want to know about me when I actually
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hate myself so much right now? So, but I, I answered the, the
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call and it was via Skype and it was such a profound conversation
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that she asked me by the end of the talk, can I and I mentor
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her? And so she gave me some light
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because she's looking at me as a potential for mentorship and I'm
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looking at myself as a potential to end my life.
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So that's when I turn everything around.
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I, it was like a light from, from source saying, what are you
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thinking? You know, you can be the light
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for other people. So that's when I started
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studying astrology and I, I committed myself to
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understanding my chart, understanding myself and going
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deeper and being always very open and true to myself, even if
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it hurt, I have to be on it. So that's what I've been doing
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since then. So once 2020 happened and I
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started listening to, I think it was great Love's Medium.
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He had like before stops like he had a medium account and I read
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something about Bitcoin. He was writing about time and
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the #0 and I was like, Oh, it's interesting how this is talk
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about money, but it's spoken from a very philosophical place.
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Like I remember like reading the article, printing it out and
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kind of like underline certain things and go like, I really
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want to find out how those these things really connect because I
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still did not understand Bitcoin.
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So then I sign up for a class that and I think that I
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manifested is like, because I do a lot of astrology.
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Somebody asked me one day, do you know anything about blah,
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blah, blah astrology? And I said, you know what, you
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should check this person, Mark Jones.
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He, he's the, he's an amazing evolutionary astrologer.
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And she said, oh, but I don't know what to look for.
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And so I googled it and I had the first link that I had was
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this podcast that I never heard of a guy called Adam Summer.
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So I sent a link for this thing that she wanted.
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She was studying astrology. And then I said, oh, let me
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listen to this guy. So this guy's interviewing my
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films. And I'm after think the first 10
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minutes they start talking about Bitcoin and I had been wishing I
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could find an astrologer that understands Bitcoin because if I
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can understand Bitcoin from a very like the harmonics and you
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know, the movements of the skies, I will probably connect
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to it. So I ended up like being in his
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pay 2 for a bit, but I knew immediately, I mean no offense,
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Adam, like I like you, but you're not my teacher because
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I've been having teachers and I know that I need to connect to
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people at the very energetic level.
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I was not connecting with him, but he mentioned his wife or
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partner was giving some Bitcoin classes for women.
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And I'm like, oh God, OK, yeah, let's do the woman thing.
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So I, I, I paid for the classes and it was fantastic.
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She's a great teacher named Nancy.
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She, she taught me from the very beginning, like it was a six,
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710 weeks. I don't remember.
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It was good because I will ask many questions and she will come
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with very good answers. And then I knew that I was
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entering the important part. And I think the most important
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part for me for Bitcoin is I'm going to understand this by
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something of value. Really.
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How so? After I I was in the group for a
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while, but I needed more community.
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So I decided to volunteer at the Miami conference here around the
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corner, and I'm going to do you something.
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I have never ever volunteer in my life for anything.
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I've been charging. Even when my mom asked me to do
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things for her, I said I'll do it, but you have to pay me.
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I've never in my life done anything for free.
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So I made a big deal that I was going to be volunteering.
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I remember going there and I say to everybody, this is the first
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time I volunteer. People look at me like, so I was
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like the big deals, but I wanted to volunteer to see Bitcoin as
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fly on the wall. And actually this is the biggest
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conference, but it's not necessarily the one I wanted to
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see. But it was like what I had
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available two blocks away from my house and it was not going to
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cost me any money to get in to see how is the community.
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I'm going to go and sniff everything, ask questions, push
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buttons, like be very, very curious.
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And that's what happened. I got there for five days.
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I, I met a lot of people, I asked a lot of questions.
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I approach every single person that I knew and I didn't know.
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And I was just very spontaneous, like talking, asking questions
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like, and it was beautiful because I saw and I felt that
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the community is very open that they're willing to teach,
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they're willing to talk. And it's just amazing.
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Never met any community like this before in my life because,
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you know, people are very snobbish in, in New York and
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stuff like that. So, so that's what I got.
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And so I got into volunteering. I did, I don't know, I think
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like four or five volunteers in within a year.
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And that started getting a web of people that now I call my
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friend because 1 led to the other, to the other, to the
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other. And at one point somebody said,
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you should give a talk. And I'm like, what am I going to
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talk about? And then it says, well, you can
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talk about how you synthesize Bitcoin with consciousness,
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astrology and all that. And I said, OK, so that's what
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I'm going to do. And that's what I've been doing
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since last year. Slowly.
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That's an insane Bitcoin discovery journey, and I mean
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that in the politest and most kindest way.
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Yeah, and I forgot to say one thing.
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This is very important in the whole thing.
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So when I did the conference, I run into into Saifudi animals.
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He was promoting his book The Principles of Economics.
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And I had just not just but like a year or something before I had
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seen him with like treatment. And I adore that podcast because
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there was something about FDA that he was so raw that I really
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like how frontal he's about things and how like he stays
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things as they are. And I love this kind of people
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like they just like they cut like a knife.
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And so I met him and I I found that he was a very genuine, kind
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of very kind man and mining all the time.
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So I asked him, Hey, you know, I'm buying the book.
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I want to join. I've been part of your
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membership, but I never joined to the higher, the higher tier
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to get to get you as my teacher. I only have one question.
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What is it? I said, are you as funny as you
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were with like treatment in class?
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And he started laughing and I said, OK, yeah, I'm going to
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join. So I joined his seminars and I'm
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still there. Every every week we have a
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seminar. And I basically got mentored by
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Typhidian on Austin Economics. And so Austin Economics became
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my first love. I, I cannot differentiate Austin
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economics from Bitcoin. They're just one of the same for
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me. This is, I think, true for most
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Bitcoiners who discovered Austrian economics after they
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discovered Bitcoin. The the notion of that that's
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actually like one of the coolest The the, the idea to volunteer
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at the conference, the Bitcoin conference as a kind of like a
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just a free pass to go check out the community and just see, you
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know, all right, cool. So like, there's something here,
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so let's find out. And man, that's clever.
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That's clever. And all you're doing this
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conference at the very beginning is like you offer, you say you
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want to be at the front and I said, no, I don't want to be on
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the front. I didn't want responsibility the
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first time. I say give me the lowest tier.
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So it's like you have to feel the bag.
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I thought I had so much fun doing little stuff.
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I didn't want to be in charge of anything because I'm usually
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called to be in charge of things.
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And I said no, no, no, no, no. I just want to be able to go
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around and talk to people. But that was great.
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That's. Clever so all throughout this,
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irrespective of whether or not you're seeking Bitcoin or
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Bitcoin seeking you. You're seeking the right teacher
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to relay this knowledge, this, this insight to you.
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And that's a yeah, that's like a really intentional way of being,
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I suppose. You're not just drawing from the
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text from the podcast, from the book.
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You're actually seeking out source, more or less.
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Yeah, And there's the people in between who bring the source are
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the educators, the people who have wisdom.
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And they have wisdom because they have had the experience of
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applying that knowledge in them. And then they're at the level
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that they can transmit that knowledge to others.
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So I always been, and you know, mind you, I am a daughter and
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granddaughter of pioneers, educators in Colombia.
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My mom and my grandmother had in the gardens and they were based
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on like very progressive ideologies from Germany.
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So it was Montessori, John Dewey with the other name Rudolf
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Steiner. And so I learned through play
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ludic exercises. My mom taught me to be always
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inquiring things. It's like I will ask her
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questions and she will answer me with another question or she
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will say, oh, your granny and my granny will tip me a little bit
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where to look, but she says no, you come back with the answer.
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So I all my life I've been supported to go deeper, deeper.
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I think my mom's and my dad, they kind of told me that I was
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very interested in like deep questions.
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So they allow me to get even deeper questions by giving me
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books or access to encyclopedias.
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Because back in the day was no Internet.
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So, you know, Google was the Encyclopedia Britannica or, you
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know, I was asking for, for presents like books and
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encyclopedias when I was 8 and nine years old.
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Mommy, can I get this? And it's like, but that's like
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20 volumes and I'm like, I'm going to read them in a year.
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That was always like thirsty for, for information.
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But I, there's a big difference between schooling.
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I actually did a talk at the my first Bitcoin, Bitcoin that is
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called the difference between schooling and indoctrination and
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education. Because in education you have a
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facilitator, you have a guide, you have a mentor that is going
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to support your inquiry. When you go to school, you're
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given information and you don't have the chance to question it.
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So I think that the reason why Bitcoin is such a great thing is
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because Bitcoin gives us the possibility to inquire deeper,
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not just about money, but about health, about wealth, about, you
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know, pharma, about education, about, I don't know, taxes.
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Common law, everything just being yeah, yeah, being.
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I feel like you just. About your life, plug in and
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it'll just you know it. I keep coming back to this line
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I heard on this podcast, a neutral amplifier of effect
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where it just sort of engaged with Bitcoin and then it will
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start to amplify, turn up the things that you're curious about
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or that you're interested in or that you need to confront,
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whatever it is. I don't know.
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Yeah, it's weird. Yeah.
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I say, for instance, that you descend inside of the rabbit
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hole and then you become your own sampler of your life.
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You become your researcher. You basically have to try and
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error and then you end up empirically understanding your
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life because you're testing and you are the experiment or your
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family is. So it's in a way you come out of
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that rabbit hole like a knowing person.
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You become white. Yeah, or a kook and a crazy
23:59
person to everybody else that's not down that rabbit hole.
24:04
Yes, yes. I'm curious to know.
24:06
So you're going down this rabbit hole, you're seeking out these
24:09
teachers, you're landing on some of the most influential and
24:15
formative teachers, particularly like, I mean, you mentioned
24:18
safer Dean, you've gone beyond his book.
24:21
You wanted to go straight to source, actually have a
24:23
conversation with him and then, you know, subscribe and become a
24:29
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24:32
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thank you for your support. When did you have that?
25:19
Yeah, go ahead that sort of because you all the while you're
25:22
synthesizing this notion of consciousness with Bitcoin.
25:29
When are you having this aha moment?
25:33
So it happens like so I go and you know, I did choose them as a
25:37
teacher. I realized that it was not just
25:41
luck, but it was like meant to be.
25:43
I remember my first question in class.
25:45
I mean, I was a little bit intimidated because I thought,
25:47
Oh my God, they're gonna be all these geeks and all these
25:49
economies. And I'm like this like very
25:51
colorful artist. Yoohoo, you know, like I'm here
25:54
and I, I'm unapologetic and I say or rageous stuff and you
25:58
know, I'm, I speak about all kinds of stuff.
26:01
And so, but I got in and he's saying something and obviously I
26:07
don't understand what he's saying.
26:08
And so I'm raising my hand and I said, I have a question.
26:11
He goes, what? And I said, what is the
26:13
difference? This is my first questioning
26:15
class. I still remember it was
26:16
beautiful. What is the difference between
26:19
psychology and human action? Because I had read already the,
26:24
the chapter of human action, you know, like you have to be
26:26
responsible for your things and, and like everything that we do
26:30
is based on our own accountability and stuff like
26:32
that. But I've been all my life, I've
26:33
been very psychological and I've done the whole studies of car
26:37
young and, you know, shadow work and everything.
26:39
So it's interesting because he came to me, he says, look, if
26:42
you're really interested in this area, you should really read
26:46
Misses and the whole praxeology and then Roth.
26:48
So he kind of showed me where and I was like, oh, this is
26:51
going to be cool. I'm going to be asking questions
26:53
that maybe he doesn't know how to answer and it's not he's not
26:57
interested. He's just interested in
26:58
answering other things, but he's not shutting me down or off, you
27:01
know, So that was amazing that I could get that case in his
27:06
classroom and just be myself completely.
27:09
That's why I keep on signing up for more because it's a place
27:12
for me to to go deeper. So as I was going deeper into
27:16
Austin economics and making a parallelism with the Jungian
27:21
studies that I've done and basically with my own, like me
27:25
as a, as a researcher, I realized that this Bitcoin was
27:30
becoming a state of consciousness.
27:32
It was, it was a state of awareness.
27:34
Oh my God, this thing is synthesizing everything that I
27:37
ever cared for, history, astrology, I don't know the
27:41
stars because I also like just to gaze at the stars.
27:44
Like every single subject that I was interested in, I could just
27:49
put it in the context of Bitcoin and Bitcoin was going to give me
27:52
the the way to integrate it in my life.
27:55
So I started fully. It was like last year at the
27:58
beginning of the year. It was the first time that I was
28:00
given the chance to speak somewhere.
28:03
And this is a funny thing. They invite me a Bitcoin day in
28:06
Naples and they invited me to speak in a panel because they
28:09
needed check this out. They needed a woman that is a
28:12
boomer. And I was laughing.
28:15
I said how dare you guys, you're Sophie as like you invite me
28:19
because you want me to have you know, you want me to be.
28:22
It's like a. Shitty thing.
28:24
Yeah. And I said, you know what, I
28:26
don't care. Technically I am a boomer, but I
28:29
am not because I don't behave like 1.
28:31
So that that's going to cover that.
28:34
And then 20. I ain't a woman.
28:36
Yeah, whatever. But I said to the organizer,
28:38
because we had a poll, I said, I will go, but I'm going to be
28:41
myself, like 100%. Then he's like, what does that
28:45
mean? I'm like, you know, there's all
28:46
kinds of stuff that I can talk about, But I, I've been talking
28:50
for a long time with my artwork, so I can be very inspirational
28:53
and I can be funny, too. So he said, OK, so I was in a
28:56
panel. It was great with Lawrence
28:58
Lippard, Grant Cardone, You know, it was Gary Cardone and
29:02
Bob the Minor. What's his name?
29:06
Burnett. Yeah.
29:07
Kindest people in the world, all boomers.
29:11
And there I was talking about Clue doing Aquarius and you know
29:15
who making jokes, telling stories.
29:18
So by the end of it, people came and said, wow, like who are you?
29:22
And I said I'm Monica. And I thought this can go really
29:25
well for me if I always say to my truth, if I do not try to
29:30
pretend that I am a financier, I'm not.
29:33
I don't try to pretend that I'm a coder, I'm not.
29:35
So I just bring me to Bitcoin and if Bitcoin embraces me, I'm
29:40
good. And so I felt that that was a
29:42
very good entry. And so then I think I was
29:45
invited again by, I don't know if you know Paul Tarantino, he
29:48
has this as well with Cedric Jungermann.
29:53
I think I forgot Bite Federal. So he invited me to to be in a
29:57
panel with Brie Love and I don't remember who else.
30:00
It was somebody younger from the Tampa Bay.
30:03
And we were talking about Bitcoin.
30:06
And we didn't use the word consciousness more like
30:09
spirituality. And I kind of want to stay away
30:12
from the word spirituality because there's it has done so
30:15
much harm because we're all incarnated spirit.
30:19
You cannot say you're spiritual. Everybody's spiritual.
30:22
Everybody has a spirit now you're not tuned to it.
30:24
Something else, but you cannot be in flesh and not have a
30:28
spirit. So I prefer the word
30:30
consciousness because conscious is more like the awareness that
30:33
we have that there's something beyond the matter, right.
30:36
And so I think it was in that call or in that panel by the
30:42
questions and everything that I kind of knew beforehand we were
30:45
going to talk that I started thinking and started saying
30:47
almost it came through like Bitcoin is a state of conscious.
30:52
So people are like, what do you mean by that?
30:53
And so I had to kind of like, oh, I have to write about it
30:56
because it just comes through me.
30:58
So that was the, I was the beginning of 2024 that I started
31:02
saying that and it became clear as I was writing the book, I had
31:06
already started writing my book, the nature of my reality and my
31:09
I was not planning to talk about Bitcoin because I was writing
31:12
about my process. And I'm starting to write Austin
31:16
economics, a little bit of Bitcoin like I, I got, I got
31:20
hijacked by Bitcoin. It's like he came in and and
31:24
Bitcoin looked at me and goes, what?
31:25
You're not gonna write about me? I'm the synthesize, I'm the
31:28
synthesis. And I'm like, yeah, you're
31:29
right, you're right. So I did that book.
31:32
I'm halfway through the 2nd right now.
31:34
I'm writing another book. It's called the art of synthesis
31:38
and the architecture of my value because it ends up being that
31:42
what I realized that I'm good at in my life, you know, are being
31:47
like an amazing artist and all that.
31:48
And you know, I'm not going to be hard to say humble about it
31:52
because I do get a lot of work in public art spaces because I'm
31:58
very intentional with it. I, I want to say that with the
32:04
book and the writing and and me putting myself out there, I have
32:09
a way to kind of remind people that consciousness is inside of
32:13
each one of us. Like I want I want to serve as a
32:15
mirror basic by being myself. I, I mean, Luke 1721, that's
32:26
that's the thing that keeps propping up.
32:28
It keeps coming up into my consciousness, keeps keeps
32:31
seeing it everywhere. Kingdom of God is within you,
32:36
right? Spirituality, consciousness,
32:39
whatever you want to call it. I don't know, I can use those
32:44
words interchangeably and let other people do their karma and
32:48
squirm as I say those words. I don't really care.
32:51
I'm just trying to figure out where like there's just a lot it
32:59
just it seems like you've you've kind of hit on this thing that a
33:06
few others, like I'm seeing it around the place.
33:09
It's almost like, you know, energy flows where attention
33:13
goes. And the more you put your
33:15
attention into these things, the more energy is directed to them,
33:19
and then the more you kind of harmonize or receive back from.
33:24
Yeah. And it's kind of like, you know,
33:27
you buy a new car or something, or, you know, you might buy a
33:30
yellow car or whatever you're driving around.
33:32
All of a sudden you just see yellow cars everywhere.
33:34
Everything, yeah. What's going on?
33:36
Because it that's that's resonance in a way.
33:39
And one of the things that I did in the last talk Bitcoin state
33:42
of consciousness, I was because I did a talk a year ago at
33:45
adopting Bitcoin where I wanted to bring a little bit the
33:48
astrology and I am a very ambitious person.
33:50
So I did a talk that it was great, but a lot of people, not
33:54
all of all of them understood it because I was speaking to a
33:57
public that I need to bring things down a little bit and
34:01
make them a little bit more logical.
34:03
So I thought this year, OK, I'm going to talk about these
34:05
things. Then I'm going to bring the
34:06
logic of practiology of Austin economics to the realm of
34:11
consciousness and see if I can explain consciousness from a
34:15
very Austrian economics point of view, which is what I did in
34:19
this talk of Bitcoin is the state of consciousness.
34:21
Because I started late, I did 3 layers.
34:25
I did the base layer, which is consciousness.
34:27
The second one is human action is like your choice, you know,
34:30
free will, whatever. And the third one is the logos
34:32
is your singularity. So at the very end, this talk is
34:36
showing you how energy, and we're all energy, we're
34:39
vibrating. And then when we vibrate, we
34:42
make choices that make us align and tune ourselves to who we
34:46
are. Now, there's a lot of parts in
34:49
our stuff that are automatic. Like our nervous system is
34:53
something that we need to learn to regulate.
34:55
And like, I hold a very, very small meditation group for bit
34:59
pointers on on Monday. And we're doing the, I don't
35:03
know if you know, the tapes, the Bob Monroe tape, you know,
35:06
Getaway, anything Getaway. Yeah.
35:09
Because yeah, he's doing this with the Red Tail Hawk.
35:14
Excuse me? Are you doing this with the red
35:15
tail? Terrible.
35:17
No, no, I'm doing, we just met in Vegas with some Bitcoiners
35:22
when we were at the conference. And you know, we had, there had
35:26
been a group that they had been open on medication and I have
35:29
all the tape. So I was like, why don't we do
35:32
this? And so we just get together on
35:34
Mondays and we are following. So the beautiful thing about
35:36
this thief is like they teach. I mean, they show you a way to
35:40
get inside of yourself through sound, but I do a lot of humming
35:45
and I do a lot of restaurants. I've been working with sound and
35:48
my boys for like 5 years now. So this is a way that the more I
35:53
work with that, the more I get in tune to what is like.
35:57
I don't, I'm not looking for things.
35:59
Things come to me because I mean in tune with my own frequency
36:03
and, and that also has a lot to do with my breath.
36:06
So breath work and but it's all interiors.
36:09
Like I don't need to go to a retreat or to go to a class to
36:12
get in tune. I found it.
36:15
Our bodies are, you know, actually the subtitle of my
36:18
first book is Everything I need to see my body because I can't
36:21
rely on myself to go and get in touch with my consciousness.
36:25
It is up to me. So in this talk, I was talking
36:29
about energy and I was talking about also like the the parts of
36:33
ourselves that are automatic that we need to regulate.
36:36
I don't know if you know anything about the polyvagal
36:38
nerve. It's like if you, if you are
36:40
living in light of fight and you're always your nervous
36:44
system and you're in fear, well, you're not going to be able to
36:47
to live a healthy life because you're going to impair your
36:51
system. So I think that, you know, being
36:54
connected to consciousness is not just about, again, like
36:58
humming and things like, you know, doing psychedelics is
37:01
really understanding that you have to put your life in a
37:05
balance, whatever that means. You know, your sleep, your,
37:10
your, your, I don't know your health.
37:12
Like your body, your body has age, right.
37:14
I am 62, but I still behave like I was 15.
37:19
And that makes me look for some reason younger because I'm not
37:23
really so serious about like other people in my in my age
37:27
range are always thinking about retirement.
37:29
And when you tell me retirement, I go like, what?
37:32
Yeah. How did you retire from life?
37:34
That's like giving up. Yeah.
37:35
Like, I'm not going to retire. Yeah.
37:37
And I'm going to drop that. And you pick me up and you take
37:40
me to the to the next station, you know?
37:42
But that's it. But it's interesting because
37:45
we're giving so much power away to ideas that are outside of
37:50
ourselves. But if we reconnect to our
37:52
energy, it's our energy. Many different ways.
37:56
You can do Chico. You can do champion.
37:57
You can do. I mean, you can do too many
37:59
things, but you choose what is right for you.
38:01
You. Gotta want it.
38:02
You gotta want it too. Like that's the thing.
38:05
You can't just you that all these things are available.
38:08
They're all out there. You just got to turn towards
38:11
them and actually do them. People that retire and just like
38:13
fuck off and do nothing for the day and then just tell me how
38:16
busy they are. I'm like, what?
38:21
You didn't do anything. You didn't even have a hobby.
38:23
Like what are you talking about? Like pick up a book at least.
38:29
Anyway, yeah, it's just a personal crap.
38:31
Sorry. Yeah.
38:34
No, but it's true. It's true.
38:35
So for me, it's like there's never enough hours in the day
38:38
for me to get into another rabbit hole and then and get
38:41
inspired. So I have this thing that I, I
38:45
feel the need to get into it, but my need of expressing it out
38:50
is as important as getting it in.
38:52
Otherwise I die inside. So that's why I started writing
38:56
A blog and I write, I don't know if you've seen it a little bit.
38:58
I started reading financial charts like 2 years ago and
39:03
guess why I want to do that? Not because I care about the
39:05
price really because I don't trade.
39:06
I, I buy the dip and I buy, you know, I, I, I get paid in
39:10
Bitcoin. I get this is already there set
39:12
up right? But I do it because I'm I'm
39:15
regulating my nervous system and believe it or not, reading
39:19
charts regulates my nervous. That that's a whole new angle on
39:26
tea leaves for chat boys. But OK, I will ask you obvious
39:32
question. And how does it reading a chart
39:34
regulate your nervous system? But you see like we're all we're
39:40
energy and energy is measured in frequency and wavelength.
39:44
So when you look at a financial charge, you're looking at
39:47
wavelength, you see the price up, you see the price down.
39:49
And then you can start reading this and like how frequent these
39:53
wavelengths are moving, you know, from one peak to the
39:55
other. I mean, in, in financial charge,
39:57
you say where is the support and where is the resistance?
39:59
I mean, if you want to use like more financial vocabulary, but
40:03
what you're looking for is something very important that
40:06
actually I, I heard this said in the class of FED and it's
40:10
equilibrium is a process. The day he said that, my brain
40:15
exploded because I can apply anything about life with that
40:19
phrase. Equilibrium is the process, and
40:22
we are not static, we are moving.
40:25
Energy always moves. So the whole problem in life is
40:28
that we want to be happy once we buy a house and then we think,
40:31
oh, I have the house and now what?
40:33
Well, the wave keeps moving. You can't just be static and the
40:38
people saying, oh, I wouldn't be going to go 200,000, but what
40:41
are you talking about? It's going to go up, it's going
40:43
to go down. Life is volatile.
40:46
So when, when he said that a while ago, I was like meditating
40:50
on it and I saw myself in like riding the wave because it's a
40:53
wave. And when I learned, I learned a
40:56
technique is called Ichimoku is is based on averages.
41:00
And it's beautiful because astrologists are also looking at
41:03
patterns of cycles that repeat themselves.
41:06
So I'm always looking at patterns and what is beautiful
41:09
is like one of the, and maybe you know, if you ever read a
41:12
chart and you know what is like the, the 50% of the Fibonacci is
41:15
always going to tell you the gravity point.
41:18
So we're always trying to look for a balance in life and the
41:22
balance is never static. And this is also applied for
41:26
ourselves. We want to have a little bit of
41:27
a life that is in balance because when it isn't, then it's
41:30
either too good or too chaotic. So markets reflect the sentiment
41:36
of the collective and when people pick out because the
41:40
price is, you know, a couple weeks they went down, you just
41:42
go, oh, price is trying to, you know, find a correction.
41:47
When your life is going too up or too down, you look back to
41:50
yourself, you go, maybe I'm drinking too much or maybe I'm
41:53
not paying attention to how many hours I sleep and say, you can
41:56
correct that. So that's why I think it, it
41:59
helps. And so the last year I've been
42:01
working a lot of my nervous system because I, I've been
42:04
doing a lot of work with Mark Jones.
42:07
This guy was telling you about astrologer and I hired him to,
42:11
to, to see me once a month. And we're going very deep in
42:15
certain things that I thought that I, I didn't think that they
42:18
were sold, but I, I wanted to go deeper.
42:21
And I lost my father when I was very young and, and, and I think
42:27
I never really treated that kind of trauma, you want to call it
42:30
or whatever. And now I'm ready.
42:31
And so I've been doing a lot of work of being very quiet with
42:36
people. I don't really talk to people a
42:38
lot this year. I don't call friends.
42:40
I'm not, I'm not there for them. I, I just say this year is for
42:43
me, but I've been finding so many little places where
42:47
especially how growing up, I love my mom.
42:51
She passed two years ago, but how her nervous system, she was
42:55
a very nervous person. She was a very funny and very
42:57
angry person at the same time. So my day started with me trying
43:02
to figure out if she was funny or angry.
43:06
So my whole life, my, my way of like, responding to the world is
43:11
like, am I safe or she's gonna start yelling?
43:15
Yeah. And so I became a clown like
43:19
automatically because I learned that if I go and clown, I'm
43:23
gonna be safe at least for a bit until I find the next exit.
43:28
I was always clowning, clowning clown and then getting into
43:31
trouble. But for me, getting into trouble
43:33
with clowning was it was a safe place.
43:36
So I've been rewiring my nervous system this year because I
43:40
realized that basically I can do it right now because I recognize
43:44
where the problem was starting to be from, like waking up and
43:49
having that. So I had to rewire myself and
43:51
say I'm in a safe place. I'm no longer in this like
43:54
moment of pride. Like I'm afraid that she's going
43:57
to scream or I'm very happy she's laughing at my joke.
44:01
So that's what I'm doing this year.
44:02
And it's been very profound. Very, very profound.
44:07
How has discovering Bitcoin changed you?
44:12
Everything did the 180 in my life.
44:14
This is my life before and after.
44:18
So I would say what became very evident and very important, and
44:22
that's why the second part of my book is called The Architecture
44:25
of My Value. I realized that I didn't know
44:28
how to value my knee properly and that I was always tending to
44:33
body somebody else's needs first because I'm, I tend to be a very
44:36
caring person. But that was in my own
44:39
detriment. So what happened was he gave me
44:41
the power to stand on my 2 feet and say no, you've got to take
44:45
care of your knees. And if you don't know what your
44:47
needs are, you have to find out what they are.
44:50
So I did find out what my needs were.
44:52
And then once you find your needs, you can give value to
44:56
those. And once you give value to your
44:58
needs, then you have a lot of meaning in your life.
45:00
So that's what happened. That's why I call it a
45:03
synthesizer because he brought me and gave me everything that I
45:06
was working on that it was not connected.
45:09
So people is like this, I don't know, like you know, those key
45:13
holders that have 1000 keys and and you have the ring.
45:17
Bitcoin is that ring that you can hold a lot of stuff and it's
45:20
stairs in the middle without it everything goes.
45:23
So yeah. And for me it's the base.
45:27
It's so wild to me that a a neutral protocol, you know,
45:33
this, this Bitcoin thing, which is it?
45:35
It's just, it's peer-to-peer electronic cash, right?
45:39
That's what it is and yet people interact with it, engage with it
45:47
and it it just materializes, I suppose, from a metaphysical
45:56
realm. This like a whole myriad of
45:59
different states, ways of being, etcetera.
46:04
It's wild. I say Bitcoin meets you where
46:07
you're at. So if you're a person that wants
46:11
to go deep, like hello, I'm scuba diving all the time.
46:14
Not literally like just with every subject, I just want to go
46:18
all the way. I'm all in.
46:20
So it, it serves that purpose because it allows me to and
46:24
because I can rationalize it again, I can come back and just
46:27
bring it back to Austin economics and Bitcoin.
46:29
And I go, I can give talks about any subject and always have
46:33
Bitcoin and Austin economics as the base and I'll do very well
46:36
because this is so logical. Yeah.
46:40
And it's very beautiful. Like, yeah, Austrian economics
46:44
is a superpower. If you, if you, if you can grok
46:47
Austrian economics, whether or not you can, I mean, if you can
46:51
combine that then with understanding or at least you
46:55
know, trying to understand Bitcoin, that is like that is
46:58
like next level. You think of, like, someone like
47:00
Peter Schiff, who understands Austrian economics very well.
47:04
Yeah. And, you know, whether or not
47:06
he's, you know, acting and laughing about being a gold bug
47:12
and has a stack of corn stashed away somewhere, fine, whatever.
47:16
Take care. But there are other gold bugs
47:19
like that who have an innate understanding of Austrian
47:23
economics, have done the research, and yet can't bridge
47:26
that gap between it. And I think you have to be a
47:29
little bit adventurous because they all it don't happen even
47:32
separated and tells the story that when he started, it was a
47:34
gold bug and it just couldn't be that true, right.
47:37
And it took him a while to put it together.
47:39
And and it's when you start actually practicing it in the
47:43
real sense of the war like you start doing.
47:46
And I told this may time Stephanie.
47:47
And the thing that really changed me was low time
47:49
preference. It was like, Oh my God, I lived
47:53
everything upside down because New York is high time
47:56
preference. You buy posts all the time.
47:59
You have to go networking, you have to go to the next opening,
48:02
you have to meet the next person.
48:04
Everything is a transaction between what would possibly be
48:08
and it's going to give me an opportunity for me to grow, to
48:10
sell a piece of art or to meet the next whatever.
48:15
And everything that I'm investing in, in practice,
48:17
because you're not really investing, you're just wasting
48:19
your money. It's it's in food, it's in, in
48:22
bars in like you're not really putting money in a place.
48:26
You're even creating work. I used to put so much money into
48:29
my artwork. And then and then having, you
48:32
know, to ask the galleries, like, have you sold this?
48:35
Because I like, I put all my money there.
48:37
And then I realized, Oh my God, I've been doing everything so
48:40
wrong because it's under the pretense that everything is
48:43
fine. And that for me changed me when
48:46
I understood what low term preference, but it was like, oh,
48:49
I can actually live a longer life.
48:52
There's always a thought that you move from the one thing to
48:56
the next thing, and I would imagine in a place like New
48:58
York, I never lived there. But the energy is so high, which
49:05
can be exciting, but it's difficult for an individual to
49:09
sustain that. And if you're in that world as
49:12
well as as you're talking the art, the art world and you're
49:15
going and you're networking and you're going to galleries and
49:18
you're, you're on to the next thing.
49:20
You never take a moment to acknowledge what you've just
49:24
achieved then and there, like you've got your, you know, work
49:29
being hung in a in an amazing place.
49:31
It's beautifully presented as people genuinely enjoying and
49:36
finding pleasure in what it is. And you're thinking, great, done
49:40
that, next thing, now what? Where's the next thing?
49:42
Or got to go to the next party or the next networking event so
49:46
that I can maintain this energy And there is a very, very little
49:50
space for stillness. 100% And it was interesting because when I
49:55
got there in 94, New York was like, yeah, at the bottom of
50:00
like, you know, the recession, everything.
50:02
It was like New York was not. It was fun because it was
50:04
dangerous. So I was living in the Lower
50:07
East Side and you could hear bang, bangs.
50:09
And one day I said, what is that?
50:10
It's like people are shooting. I'm like, what is that?
50:11
The sound of a gun? I had no idea.
50:14
But you felt like, OK, this is wild.
50:17
And so it was wild in many ways. And the art market was very
50:20
different. You did find like the
50:23
possibility of finding galleries that wanted to represent you.
50:26
And so you had more or less 2 years to three years to prepare
50:29
a body of work and then they will support you and then you
50:33
will travel around the world with this if you have another
50:35
gallery. So you did have like a long time
50:38
to create something, to digest it and to give it to the world
50:43
and then come back and say maybe I'm going to work on something
50:46
else. But then 2001 happened and all
50:49
this art fair started to like, I don't know, pop up here and
50:54
there. And then the galleries, in order
50:55
to adapt to the new market, they started doing fairs like like
50:58
conferences right now this week here, this week.
51:02
And that's I think when everything exploded.
51:04
That was, it picked up at the end of the 2000 and then it
51:08
became this horrendous place where to be.
51:10
We're still like that. I mean, last week here until 2
51:13
days ago was Miami, our Basel, which is like it represents
51:16
exactly the worst of everything because you're not really seeing
51:19
quality of anything. We're just seeing a persona,
51:23
something that you're playing because you need to get to the
51:26
next part of the video game. And so you become, I don't know,
51:30
a poster you also fake because you are part of a game that you
51:35
don't even know how, but which extent you're being used by by
51:39
the deep state and stuff like that.
51:41
So for me leaving New York, I liberate my stuff from that as I
51:45
became a non vaxer of people and, and, and I started voicing
51:50
like I was harsh on social media, you know, going like this
51:54
fuckers, blah, blah, blah, blah. So the few friends that they
51:59
still wanted to talk to me, they stopped talking to me.
52:02
And then that's when I realized it was a hard thing to accept
52:05
that New York is so transactional that I have to
52:08
admit I never really had good friends.
52:10
I don't think I ever had friends in New York after 27 years.
52:14
It's such a fucked feeling that that is, is such a horrible
52:18
feeling. I've, I've, I've felt that, I've
52:20
felt that I used to have a career like that.
52:21
And not that I ever wanted to be chums or pals or like best
52:25
buddies with these people, but you did get a sense that there
52:29
was a nice mutual value exchange going on.
52:34
Yeah, that you care for one another.
52:36
I only have one crazy friend. I, I was just in New York 2
52:39
weeks ago after El Salvador and I hate it every minute because
52:45
I, I haven't really been going that much.
52:47
When I go, I go for a day, then I come back and this time we
52:51
were going to be a bunch of people.
52:53
And so we went five days, not all together, but there was,
52:56
there was a lot of bitcoiners going there because Natalie
52:58
Brunel was launching her book. So it was like I would go and I
53:02
just hated it. I was like, what is this thing?
53:04
And I got sick. I'm like, because I remind
53:08
myself how much I hated this place and everything that it
53:11
represents. It was like, thank God I'm not
53:14
here anymore. And I don't want to be here or
53:17
near to anything that represents this bacon.
53:19
And so I did see this friend that I've seen twice when I go
53:23
there. She's the most socialist person
53:25
I've ever met in my life. But she's she loves me for who I
53:28
am and I love her for who she's. And she always asked me
53:31
questions like what happened to you?
53:33
When did you become such a because I was never political.
53:38
I never went to a protest. Like I never volunteer.
53:41
I never care. I was doing my thing.
53:43
And when I started, you know, thinking that this government
53:48
was going to be keep on, you know, being with this Kamala,
53:51
whatever, I thought this I have to vote for the first time in my
53:54
life. So I voted for the first time in
53:55
my life and I wanted at least to have four more years.
53:58
We're not going to be persecuted, you know, like Choke
54:01
.20, like at least we're going to have four more years to
54:04
figure out how so is this going to happen?
54:06
And so I started voicing a lot myself in regards to politics
54:11
and stuff and more Bitcoin and more Austrian economics and
54:14
stuff. And so she called me one day,
54:16
like, I don't know, one year ago.
54:18
And she said, she said she was very curious to know if I have
54:22
always been like this and I was coming out of the closet or what
54:26
did she miss about me? And I said, to be honest, I
54:29
never cared about politics. I never cared about socialism.
54:32
I couldn't give a shit. And I said, just go back and
54:35
think, how many protests did I go with you?
54:39
Never. And I said, so I always been
54:41
like this, only that right now I'm speaking out loud because
54:45
now is the time to say no more because the money is broken.
54:48
And so it was it was interesting because we still can see each
54:51
other. We disagree 180 but we decided
54:55
that we both love each other so much as a great artist that
54:58
we're it's not that we don't talk about politics.
55:00
It's like, I love you period. There's no there's no me trying
55:04
to push you away or her this thing.
55:06
But she's the only person that kind of came and said I accept
55:10
you. Crazy as you are, I accept you.
55:13
And I said thank you because I don't think I have any other
55:15
person in New York that has accepted the person that I am.
55:20
That's pretty cool. I mean, from ideology aside,
55:24
that's that's where you've transcended ideology and you've
55:27
just gone, yeah, to the human being within or the soul within
55:31
or whatever, whatever you want to frame it as.
55:33
It's that's she sounds like a really cool person unless she
55:38
gets her hands on the money printer.
55:41
She doesn't understand she, I mean, he has a great stories
55:45
because her father was the last minister of in Chile in 73.
55:50
They had to flee the country from Allende like when there was
55:54
a coup. So she was born in exile in the
55:57
Vatican, and then she was brought back to Chile in the
56:01
80s. And her father and her family.
56:04
I've always been in the government, socialist
56:05
government. But then she is living in New
56:07
York for 20 years and she loves to cheat the thing and she knows
56:13
that she cheats on a lot of stuff.
56:14
And I was going, hey, like, are you cheating?
56:17
Here she goes, who cares? Nobody knows.
56:18
And I so they have this mentality that they can go to
56:21
places like New York and cheat everything and get away.
56:25
So I decided a long time ago, like I don't want to talk to her
56:28
about that because she's good friend in many other ways and I
56:31
have a blast with her. Like I, I don't think I laughed
56:34
so much with somebody. Like I laughed with her because
56:36
she has this light way of seeing things.
56:39
Like she brings a lot of joy in my life.
56:42
So I decided I'm like, she's exactly exactly what I would
56:47
despise. But because our friendship is so
56:49
long, I just love her. I can't kill her character.
56:54
I don't want to change her character and if she accepts me
56:57
the way I am, that's cool. There you are.
57:02
What do you wish more people knew about Bitcoin?
57:07
You know, I do teach about Bitcoin and I do my first big
57:12
point. I always tell people if they
57:14
have 12 hours to invest in themselves, I can show them a
57:20
way so they can get in touch with.
57:24
Put freedom in the way that you become more responsible of the
57:27
person you came here to be. So it's all about, I would say,
57:31
accountability and honoring that part of oneself that can really
57:36
grow once we accept and surrender to what is, to the
57:40
truth. So I, I, I feel like if people
57:44
will give themselves the opportunity to dive in for
57:48
whatever reason, whether it's money or savings or whatever, it
57:53
doesn't matter, They will find an incredible mirror in Bitcoin
57:58
for their own journey. I see it as a very big
58:01
potential. And that's why when I write or
58:04
I, I speak about it, I'm, I'm speaking from many different
58:07
angles. So people understand that
58:08
there's so many angles of Bitcoin.
58:09
It's not just one thing. That's the thing, there's so
58:13
many different angles and it's a matter of finding what that
58:17
angle is. And for you, yeah, for the.
58:21
Person. For the person, for you in
58:23
particular, but then if you want to go and Charlie Day it and
58:28
put, you know, lines all across the the wall with, with pins and
58:34
stuff, you're going to freak a lot of people out.
58:36
Whereas if you can take the time and allow for space to emerge
58:45
between the conversation to figure out, OK, like how is
58:48
this, how, how could, how might Bitcoin apply to the way that
58:55
they view the world? And you know, I've got a buddy
58:58
who's an incredibly enthusiastic orange pillar and we'll just try
59:03
and orange pillar everyone. And he's very good at it.
59:07
Me, not so much. I I've only had good success
59:11
with people that have achieved resonance or coherence with, you
59:15
know, from. Yeah.
59:16
Yeah, that kind of alignment, I guess.
59:21
Yeah, it's it's an interesting but but it does apply to
59:24
everything. And I guess the trick is to not
59:27
be impatient once you've discovered it.
59:30
Once you've orange pulled a few people, you've cultivated a
59:34
little tribe. And, and you see the hope in the
59:37
world because it gives you hope. It's really very hopeful in a
59:40
way that, you know, you see the world right now.
59:42
And I don't know if you know anything about time cycles, but
59:44
we're about to close the very big cycle in February 2026 when
59:49
2 planets they meet every 36 years are going to start at 0°
59:52
of the Zodiac, 0° of areas. The last time they met it was
59:57
November 9th of 1989. That was the fall of the Berlin
1:00:01
Wall. And the time before that was
1:00:04
when Mao came into power, and then the time before that was
1:00:07
the Bolshevik revolution and so on.
1:00:08
You can go back in history and there's one of these planets,
1:00:13
Neptune, it's going to finish at 165 year old.
1:00:17
So the cycle and the last time it was here was during the
1:00:21
Revolutionary War, you know, the Civil War here in, in America.
1:00:25
So we're, we're really closing a very big cycle.
1:00:28
And what I feel that is happening is like we have the
1:00:30
potential of like a reset, but not the reset that the, you
1:00:34
know, the WEF wants from us is the reset that you are a free
1:00:40
person as long as you want to make yourself free.
1:00:42
The freedom doesn't depend on the government.
1:00:45
The freedom depends on you complying or not, on saying, I
1:00:49
don't want this. Like one of the things that I
1:00:51
also studied studying after I did bickering all this and also
1:00:54
an economic, this common law study, the constitution study
1:00:58
about not the legal but the lawful.
1:01:01
And then you see, Oh my God, we've been compliant to so many
1:01:04
things. And then you see language, which
1:01:07
is grammar. You see it and you see the
1:01:09
syntax and you see, oh, we just don't understand what these
1:01:12
people are saying because we're not paying attention.
1:01:16
But if we were to pay attention on how things and words are put
1:01:18
together and how these words can take away your freedom, oh,
1:01:23
please learn that language. You got to want to.
1:01:27
You got to. Find.
1:01:28
Yeah, you've got to, you've got, you've got to want to like
1:01:30
that's a, that's a, a lot of people are going to, aren't
1:01:34
going to. This is why you can literally
1:01:38
cast spells with language. 100% that's why spending is because
1:01:44
you use it. And the interesting thing that
1:01:45
I've been researching is like people from the Commonwealth and
1:01:51
you know, we're coming from, from, from the UK and everything
1:01:54
like United States, Australia, Canada and all the islands and
1:01:58
everything in the UK we're following something that it was
1:02:03
called common law, that it was coming from the Magna Carta.
1:02:06
So there's a lot of language there that if you learn it, you
1:02:10
will be able to stand for your rights if you know how to speak
1:02:14
that language. You can be in front of a judge
1:02:17
or in front of a authority, you say blah, blah, blah, blah, but
1:02:20
you have to do it nobody. You don't bring a lawyer.
1:02:23
You are doing it yourself. Now I've been reading a lot
1:02:26
about what happens in Europe, and Europe is a little bit more
1:02:30
screwed up because they are following Roman law, civic law,
1:02:34
and they it's impossible to do that.
1:02:37
So right now what they're doing in Europe is a little bit more
1:02:39
challenging to challenge the government.
1:02:41
That's why they're going so fast after everybody.
1:02:45
It's just pulling the rod. And what I'm amazed is like why
1:02:48
England, Australia and Canada are allowing the rock to be
1:02:52
pulled when everything is in the language.
1:02:57
Yeah, because the foot is on all the cricket, as it were, and the
1:03:02
there's there's other things to direct your attention.
1:03:07
Energy goes or attention flows or vice versa.
1:03:11
Yeah, it's, it's, these are rabbit holes and that we, we
1:03:16
need people to go down into the depths of this stuff, bring it
1:03:19
back up and translate it, articulate it in a, in a manner
1:03:23
that is digestible for the next person who can then.
1:03:28
Yeah, I'm doing it. I'm studying.
1:03:30
I don't speak too openly. Like, I mean, to a certain
1:03:33
degree, I speak in tongues, but it is something that everybody
1:03:37
can do. It is available.
1:03:40
It's not that big of a deal. It's just learning another
1:03:43
language. It's like I'm going to learn
1:03:45
French, I'm going to learn Russian.
1:03:46
I'm going to learn common law is I'm going to learn Bitcoin.
1:03:50
You learn the code, you learn what it is.
1:03:53
Imagine the first time you've heard about it and now you can
1:03:55
teach it and you can talk about, you know, the networking, you
1:03:58
can talk about, you know, the whatever you want to talk about.
1:04:00
The same thing with common law, but it's it requires like a lot
1:04:05
of courage from the people. And I'm amazed that a lot of
1:04:08
Bitcoiners are not doing it because there is all these taxes
1:04:11
loopholes. So people prefer to go into the
1:04:13
loophole than to do the real thing.
1:04:15
And I think that bottom line, in a long term, this is diminishing
1:04:20
the capacity for people to really believe that they can be
1:04:23
free because at the very end, we're dead plate period, and
1:04:28
we're Dead Space because we allow that to happen.
1:04:30
And everything was just pool. It was pool to us.
1:04:33
So for me, it's fine to decipher what is real, real, real and
1:04:36
where can I actually step into the platform and be courageous
1:04:41
about it. Not foolish, but courageous.
1:04:45
What does Bitcoin mean to you? I'm thinking about it and
1:04:52
feeling it and it's just a big smiley.
1:04:54
It's like it means there's not a single day in my life now for
1:05:00
the last five years that I have not thought or said or done
1:05:05
something without Bitcoin. Bitcoin is my life.
1:05:07
It's like breathing. It's everything.
1:05:10
It's everything because it's giving me the possibility to
1:05:13
value myself, to value my needs, to give me language in other
1:05:18
levels. It gave me logic.
1:05:20
I was very logical person. I'm very emotional.
1:05:23
So I used to scream and say I don't want to be logical.
1:05:25
And now it's like God make me more logical so I can actually
1:05:29
learn to respond instead of react and and be more in tune
1:05:34
with what is right, make right decision.
1:05:36
Because if I have the right decisions economically, then my
1:05:39
life can thrive in many other ways.
1:05:42
But if I live my life, just so you know, reacting emotionally,
1:05:46
being like, oh, I'm crazy, I'm an artist and I'm not
1:05:49
responsible. I'm, you know, it's not going to
1:05:51
be a nice life. I'm going to be a victim.
1:05:55
I don't want to be a victim. This has given me the freedom, a
1:05:58
lot of freedom. Man.
1:06:00
The freedom to be me. There you go.
1:06:03
This is why I come on here. This is why I like this pod.
1:06:06
Because Bitcoin isn't some evil technological demon from another
1:06:13
dimension. Might be, I don't know.
1:06:15
I haven't had that person on yet.
1:06:16
A good one. But more often than not, people
1:06:20
articulate their engagement and interaction and experience with
1:06:24
Bitcoin just like that. Yeah.
1:06:27
I wrote like a year ago, I don't know where I have it, but I
1:06:31
wrote like a little thing saying like, I'm at the point that I
1:06:35
want to risk being right. And I said, I want to explain
1:06:38
what I'm saying. Even if Bitcoin is, is not real,
1:06:43
I want to risk being right. So I'm going to go all the way
1:06:47
in and I'm going to risk it because somewhere I know that
1:06:50
it's right, but I don't want to sit down and say, well, I was
1:06:54
doubting it and I didn't go in. So I, this is what I was
1:06:56
thinking about going old and, and you know, how am I going to
1:06:59
change my life that way? And I said, I'm just going to
1:07:02
risk being right. That's it.
1:07:04
That's my risk. Monica, thank you so much for
1:07:09
spending some scarce time fire energy telling us the tale of
1:07:12
how you discovered Bitcoin. This is beautiful.
1:07:16
Just go all in and risk being right.
1:07:18
Love it. Risk being right.
1:07:20
Yeah, There you go and enjoy your life.
1:07:24
Bitcoin is beautiful.