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MK Ultra Survivor Exposes the Hidden World Under Disneyland | SURVIVOR STORIES EP01, Part 2 · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Thank you for joining me for this special episode in my Survivor Stories series. Most people live their whole lives in a carefully managed version of reality. In that version, places like Disneyland are symbols of innocence, childhood, and escapism.
• 0:39
  Governments are flawed, but basically well intentioned. Schools are for learning. Intelligence agencies are there to keep us safe. That version of reality is emotionally comfortable. It's also really useful to the people who benefit from keeping you asleep.
• 0:56
  Last week, I published part one of this conversation with JR Sweet, an MK Ultra Survivor and whistleblower. If you haven't watched part one, I'd recommend you do that first. It'll give a lot of context to this discussion. The link to that episode can be found in the show description. So in that show, we talked about things that you don't hear very often.
• 1:16
  Things
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: that
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: are spoken of in secret or just missed as being conspiracy. Things like satanic bloodlines, MK Ultra, dissociation, and the basic architecture of trauma based mind control. We looked at how a child can be broken and rebuilt into an asset, and how families and institutions can serve as fronts for that exact process. Today, we're going be going deeper into the machinery itself. So JR would be describing how as a six year old boy, he was taken under Disneyland in Anaheim, California, not just as a guest on the rides, but as a subject in a hidden world of tunnels, cages, ritual sites, and command centers.
• 1:59
  We also go deep into what JR calls the most dangerous game, where he and other children were released into a forest in The US and hunted like animals. Now, I'm not here to tell you what to think about this, And I'm also not asking you to blindly believe everything you hear. You should follow your own gut. But here's what I'm doing, and you're welcome to join me in it. I'm choosing to listen with kindness, with an open mind, and treat this testimony as a story from a fellow human being, however dark it is, and to compare it with history, declassified programs, with patterns that we can verify, Epstein, trafficking networks, documented mind control research.
• 2:38
  I'm choosing not to bury my head in the sand and just pretend this stuff doesn't exist, but I'm also choosing not to let this information drag me into despair or paranoia. Our world is really screwed up, and I wanna know why. I wanna face that evil and shine a light on it. I'd rather do that than pretend it doesn't exist. So thank you for being here for this show.
• 3:00
  If you feel this is too much though, I I certainly understand. It's heavy, and everyone has their own limits. But if you choose to keep going, please be aware that this is a disturbing conversation. It's exposing a level of evil that most people don't even want to acknowledge could even exist in this world. And if you're someone who's been through this kind of trauma or programming, just be careful because this could trigger things in you that maybe didn't even know were there.
• 3:27
  And it should go without saying, but this episode should never be shown to children. I just wanna give you a fair warning, but we do arrive at a place of hope. I promise you that. Now let's continue with part two of my interview with JR Sweet. I want to talk to you more about Disneyland because that was something on your website, you've got multiple posts describing some of your experiences, and are you fine if I've pulled the picture of you in the blue shirt, is that okay if I it's on your blog?
• 4:01
  Yeah. So, I've got the photo up just of you, at, it says, you know, the caption says, This is an image of Dare Suite with his father and siblings at Disneyland in 1984. I'm the little boy on the right side of the image wearing a blue shirt. I was six years old in this photo, and this was the first year I was put through trauma based mind control programming at the Disneyland facilities. So, it's, I mean, you know, I've got a two year old and a five year old, and it's so foreign to me that these things could be done to children by other people.
• 4:39
  It's hard, which is, I think, common. It's hard for people to grasp this kind of evil.
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That means you have a good healthy mindset.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: That's true, right?
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But there are people who don't and they do. And so these children that they're using from these families or orphans or whatever pool they want to pull from. Yeah, they're abusing them really bad. And that there's this entire network, whole different world people don't even understand exists.
• 5:14
  You have the people, all the people in this world like you or the general population, a lot of people, that are interested in this kind of stuff, for example, and they just have no idea about that different world. It's the world of the elite, the world of the satanic elite. People, yeah, like the Rothschilds or the Fords, and they live in a whole different world than the normal people. But these things are going on, and the Disneyland facility is an a perfect spot to hide this stuff. The people have such a hard time hearing that anything evil could be happening there.
• 5:57
  They are doing human trafficking there. They have children that are kept there, and they're held in cages. You know, it's so interesting to hear this Epstein stuff come out because I've been remembering this stuff since before this Epstein business. And I'm like, man, this is so weird. People can finally hear that.
• 6:19
  Yeah. They're holding kids in cages and that they're trafficking. And there would be people that would be murdered under the park. You'd be programmed there and there's just all kinds of stuff going on there. So for programming, there were different kinds of programming that you'd go through.
• 6:40
  But mine started, like you said, in '84. And it started out softer with softer programming, such as conversation with my father in the secret hidden area behind the theater where I saw and experienced what's called world vision, and it's all these satellite images that were up on the walls. And there my father walked me around and said, oh, wow. Look at these. They have this technology that is incredible.
• 7:12
  Look at the detail. And then there was a picture of our house and the detail of it, and it just scares the hell out of you as a little kid, like, wow, they have this technology. And my father, I come from the family of Satanists, and he said, Lucifer, Satan has given us this power, this technology. That's how we get it. He has given us this technology, and so they're been in your mind, and they're working in.
• 7:41
  There's nowhere for you to hide. They're gonna find you wherever they have this technology. And so you have programming like that you're going through, and then you're also being taken off rides. So you'd get on a ride like the wild toad ride and you'd be taken on taken on that ride. Well, I can remember riding with my father and my younger brother because my younger brother was selected for the project too.
• 8:08
  And so we were riding with my dad, and then the ride would stop. The ride would break down. It would move forward to where they wanted to take you off, and they would always separate different cars in between the car that you were in, Seth, so that people couldn't see you. There'd be empty cars, and then someone came and got us, took us downstairs, and we're made to be, to witness a satanic ritual murder down there under the park. And that was my grandfather was often involved with the programming that I would go through there.
• 8:47
  Sometimes he would go on a mission for the church and he wouldn't be around. And so my uncle who was also my CIA handler throughout my youth, they appoint someone to be your handler as you're growing up. And there's someone who's always watching you, always making sure you're following, you're doing your programming. They arrange for things. And then as you get older, they can use you in the field, such as myself.
• 9:15
  And so when my grandfather would leave, my uncle would be there, and he would, help me go through programming there at the park. And my grandfather was there at that particular incident, and he was in this black robe, and he took us back to this room, and it was filled with cages. And there were all these children in there. And he said there was one particular child that had been giving him trouble, and it was I expected him to point out some, you know, young man, some young man older than me could maybe give him trouble. But, no, he pulled this had this little girl taken out in one of the cages, and there was this altar in the middle of the room.
• 10:02
  And he put that little girl on that altar, and they strapped her down. And then they they slit her throat out, and there was a trough on the altar that blood could run down, and it would go into a vessel. They were typically white vessels. I couldn't remember these kinds of things happening a lot. And this time, many times, it was a white vessel because it's such a contrast to that blood.
• 10:34
  And they're really into drinking the blood. They like all the chemicals and things in that blood, all the hormones and stuff, adrenochrome or whatever it is. They really, like that. And the satanic elite and the elite culture or the satanic culture, they consider blood drawn like that, k, to be the fountain of youth. It gives you longevity in your life.
• 11:04
  It makes you look younger for longer. And so it's a satanic practice of black magic drinking that blood. And some of those people do live for a really long time, which is interesting. I was made to drink that occasions. This was the first time I can remember being made to do that.
• 11:27
  And then we were taken back up and put on the ride after that. They didn't hit us with a taser on that occasion because Bird hadn't given my father a taser yet. And so they'd take you off rides in Disneyland and you'd be put through all kinds of programming. I can remember being taken off of many rides, the Alice in Wonderland ride, the Peter Pan ride, Wild Toad ride. And they would take you off, and you'd be taken down under the park into the tunnel system to rooms.
• 11:59
  They would say things like service entrance and that serve us in trance is how I heard Kathy O'Brien explain that. And that makes perfect sense to me because, yeah, serve us in trance, and you'd be taken down into those places and then you would, you'd be made to do things such as, watching people get killed or being made to make pornography. It depended on what they wanted to do with you. But sometimes you'd just you'd be made to make porn or something or watch it be happen in front of you and then they would take there'd be other kids there who are also being made to watch this. And I could remember them pulling from those kids and say, what are you doing here?
• 12:50
  And then just slitting that kid's throat out right in front of everyone. And and that was to let you know, like, you never know when they're gonna do that to you. And so you're kept in this state of pure trauma. Like, you don't know when that's gonna happen to you. And that was horrible, to see those kinds of things and to experience that.
• 13:15
  And so that's the kind of stuff that's going on under the park down there. They're also able to move, through the park, use it as a way station for different operations, meet there, and then move out from there, come back to there. We would do that. There was one spot under the park I consider I always just this was the family layer. Was a CIA command center down there for working with the spies that they had around the world.
• 13:47
  It was a lot like a NASA room with screens all over the walls and computers, and they would I can remember seeing, other mind slaves in other countries and stuff on those screens and my grandfather telling me who those people were. And so it's a huge network, and they operate in the park because it is a perfect place to hide it. You'd never imagine, and it's hidden in the rides. It's also in the films. The the films are a very big deal.
• 14:22
  And so the films are used as programming updates. And so I was raised watching Disney films all the time. Watched so many Disney films. And I can remember even being older, Seth, being like, gosh, 16, maybe even up to 17 years old and being like, oh, I'm gonna sit down and watch Alice in Wonderland. My brother's being like, what?
• 14:49
  What are you talking about? Why are you gonna do that? But that's, yeah, yeah, it's programming updates through meet through film too. So, yeah. Yeah.
• 15:02
  So there's a yes.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, which this really touches on the earlier question that I had about just the institutional nature of this system. And it's obviously if they've got large, sophisticated command bases that are built under places like Disneyland, it even further goes to show that this isn't just some small rogue unit. Like this is, it's the system itself.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there would even be, programming at my school, my elementary school when I was a kid growing up. You'd be taken from your class and put in another class. And, the one I remember, I believe it was a reading comprehension class. And then someone would come and get you from that class, and then they would take you to another room. And I don't remember right now anyway, anything really, really bad happening at school, at the school, but I do remember them taking me back to a room, and this was a room that the government worker worked in.
• 16:09
  It wasn't a teacher. We just knew her as a government worker, and there were no windows in the room. There was a what is it? Two way mirror, I think we call it, where someone can stand on the other side and see through it and see what's going on. And then there were all these cubicles in the room, and you'd have to go in and sit down in your cubicle, and then you'd have your file that you had to work through, and it was a continuous file.
• 16:35
  You'd go in and start where you left off in your file, and then you had a little hourglass, you have to turn over your hourglass, and then they had headphones and this little thing you'd have to push the button on. So you put your headphones on, and you turn over your glass, and then you push the button, and that's how long you had to sit there was according to that hourglass, but you couldn't hear anything through headphones. It was just nothing. And the first time I went in there, I told the lady, I said, well, I can't hear anything over these headphones. And she said, oh, you're not supposed to, but it's still going in.
• 17:09
  So you just have to keep them on for that duration of time and work on your file. And so you just sit there and work on your file and listen to something. And so that was tone programming that we were being put through at school. And that was just happening at school, right there at the public education system. And I can remember, usually, you'd be taken back there by the same individual to that class, but I I can remember being taken back there by principal once.
• 17:37
  I can remember being taken back there by the superintendent, once. They're the super whatever it's called. School school superintendent, I believe.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And so very few people knew about it. And other teachers, no one else was allowed to go in that route. It was limited access. Only people who were taken in there, kids who were taken in there, other teachers weren't allowed in there. I don't remember any other teachers ever taking me there.
• 18:05
  And so it was happening even in school. It's talking about institutions and then they will use funds through, like I was saying the energy department was put through programming at Idaho national laboratories. Back then I believe it was Idaho environmental laboratories. And so, they will use, different avenues of government. And, you know, I talk about, I was sold to the CIA as a travel based my slave.
• 18:35
  Well, how did that transaction occur? Well, that transaction occurred by my father being awarded a very large contract with the local school district, as payment for me to now be accessible to the Central Intelligence Agency. And so that contract, it was worth a lot of money. We went from not having much money and always squeezing by to well now, all of a sudden, we've got five collectible old renovated cars, like hot rods and stuff like that. At one point, yeah, five or six of the darn things, old things.
• 19:21
  I can remember I was always or I was often allowed to drive a 1924 Ford. It was this little cherry red Ford with a VA and that was fun, but all the money was because my parents had sold me as trauma based mindset. And all of a sudden they remodeled their home and all this stuff. And so that's how payments are made at times. I'm not saying all payments, but that is one mechanism that they're able to make payment for you.
• 19:50
  And so it's a very real thing, and our government is very deeply involved with that. And they are involved, with abusing children, pushing them to a state of dissociation, and then, working with their multiple personalities, creating multiple personalities in them, and then using. So yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And one other thing that you talk about or one not one in particular that's, in isolation, but you talk a couple of times on your blog about these hunting parties. And this is something I've heard from other people as well. Kathy O'Brien talked about this. You've I've also heard things about the blood there's a black forest over in Europe. That's a very common location for this happening.
• 20:41
  This was, one of the more difficult things I find to read and to try to understand. But can you just walk us through some of those experiences and what is that?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really bad deal. It is what it sounds like, a human hunting party. I'll tell you about what I remember is when I was young and I had just been sold to bird, he wanted me to go play what's called the most dangerous game and that's what they call it. And I thought that we were going coon hunting. My cousin and I, we'd seen Charlie Pride, were taken to several places, but one of those places was someone that they said was a friend of theirs, and that was Robert Strong, and he lived outside of Buyside, Oklahoma.
• 21:37
  And we went there, my grandmother and I and me and my younger cousin, and we stopped in and we we saw Robert and his wife and we hung out there a couple days. And they said, Robert said, well, I wanna take you guys coon hunting. And so he had a coon dog and or that's what I was told it was. And and he was an old sheriff. He had horses and stuff too, they were on his property and so the time came to go coot hunting, well I was confused because I was from Idaho and I was just a 15 year old kid but I was like, well don't we need a hunting license to go coon hunting?
• 22:17
  I don't have a hunting license. How am I gonna go coon hunting here in Oklahoma? And they said, oh, no. You don't need one. We'll be fine.
• 22:25
  And so they took us out one morning, and we were driven a ways a ways away. It's hard to tell how far south, but we were driven out, and they finally turned off onto this estate. And it was a large estate, a large track of land, and there was a road, this, gravel road that led up, and then there was a gate, and there was a guard at the gate, an armed guard. And he was where it BDUs, and he let us in and we drove, kept driving. And then I can remember we came up to an area where there was a big house over here.
• 23:07
  And then over here, there was a big parking area and there were all these cars parked and trucks out there in that in a big circular area and I can remember big buildings like ag buildings. It was a large estate there and I can remember helicopters, little black helicopters sitting there. And I was awake. My cousin was asleep when we were pulling in. And when he woke up, it was a shock for that poor kid to wake up.
• 23:34
  He was like, oh my gosh, where am I now? And so they pulled us out, out of the truck, and they pulled in, pulled us out of the truck, and then we stood there for a little while, and then us kids were made to strip naked. They made us take all our clothes off. And there were different families there. There was the Ford family was there.
• 23:59
  There was another family that was from a musical family involved in the country music industry. I haven't worked all that out, and so I don't talk about who those people were, but it was someone from the country music industry. And then the Hiltons were there, Richard with Nikki and Paris and he had a couple of big dogs. And then there was us, my cousin and I, and then there was another van of orphans. We were told they were orphans and they brought all these kids there.
• 24:30
  And then the command was given that everyone was supposed strip naked. And so all of us kids, we all had to strip naked. And after we'd strip naked, they started making us run across the grass in front of the big estate house there to the woods. There were some woods out across at the other end. And, if I remember the Ford kid going, he went and he was a skinny kid, and he just started running.
• 25:03
  I just remember watching this naked kid run. And then the Hilton girls were made to run. I remember them going, and and then my cousin and I were made to run. And we started running. And when we were running out across the grass, I can remember the Hilton girls, Nikki, I believe it was, had sprained her ankle, and she was having trouble, and Paris was trying to help her.
• 25:33
  And I can remember looking at them, and in part of my mind, I was like, oh, no. Those girls are in trouble. This is really bad. They have to get away. They can't stay right there.
• 25:46
  They're screwed. And so I started to head towards them to help them. And when I did that, shots, I could hear rifle shots or just let's just say shots, I heard shots, and I could hear bullets going over my head. And oh, my, I turned around, and I could see my cousin coming. And he was just just the terror and he was just waving his arm, go, go, run, don't stop, run, run, run, run.
• 26:15
  And so I just turned and I started running and, it's sad. We just left the girls there and we ran into the trees and we hid. I don't know for how long, Seth. I can't tell you how long we're hiding, but it was a horrible experience. You could hear the helicopters out there in the distance and then the dogs and gunshots and we just ran and hid.
• 26:42
  And at one point we came across this little girl and she was a little girl that was one of the orphans. She was one of the orphan girls, and she was hiding, just hunkered up hiding. And we came up to her and we said, come on, you have to run. You can't stay here and hide. You can't hide.
• 27:02
  You have to run. And we convinced her to go with us. And so we all ran and they started to get onto our trail and get close and we could tell. And my cousin, he was like, have a plan. And he there were reeds there, some kind of reeds, and we were able to make those reeds and be able to breathe through them.
• 27:24
  And we jumped in this little body of water and tried to hide under the water. But that didn't work for very long. They had a helicopter above us. My grandfather was up there in it, and there was another individual flying it. And and then there were people on the ground.
• 27:42
  Robert was on the ground with his dog, and he was with a couple other people in BDUs. And I can remember the screaming, they're right there. They're right there. And get up out of the water, and then we stood up, and then there was that little girl with us. And I can remember Robert saying over the comms to my grandpa.
• 28:10
  He said, they have this girl with her. Who is it? It's one of the orphans. And my grandpa, he very vulgar man. He said, you shoot that, effing bee.
• 28:26
  And Robert did. Robert did, Seth. We shot her right there in front of us, and she fell in the water. And we were all just screaming. It was horrible, horrible incident.
• 28:45
  And then they drug us out. They drug us out of that water and they hauled us through brush to a clearing. And they're cruel. You can't imagine the nature of the cruelty they apply. And we are naked and they raped us out there in the field, and then they had the dog rape us.
• 29:08
  They had that dog, that coon dog, and they made it rape us. And after they'd done these things to us, they threw us in the back of a truck, and they drove us back to the house. And at the house, there was an outdoor shower and they made a shower. At one point my grandfather had landed when they dragged us out to the clearing, he had landed in that little helicopter and he'd gotten out and he had the firearm that he'd taken from the estate. This house that we were at, this estate, this was a senator's estate, a US senator's estate.
• 29:46
  I am not entirely sure whose exactly. I wish I could, I don't want to be wrong and accuse someone if I don't know for sure. And so it was a senator's state and he was controlled and they will use property like that too. So they're not just using, government funds and property and assets. They're also using for these kinds of things personal property and assets.
• 30:16
  And so at that time, at during the most dangerous game, they used that individual's property for that event, and, that was a rite passage. But it wasn't just a rite passage. Okay. You said, why would you even do that? Because there's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.
• 30:37
  That's what they were grading into your mind when they were chasing you through the woods with helicopters and dogs, and they control everything, and they can find you anywhere. And that sort of comes back to world vision when I was a little kid, and my father was showing me the satellite images. And so that's what they're working on. I'll have people now say, well, why do they harass you with helicopters? What does that do?
• 31:03
  Well, it takes me back to being chased in the most dangerous game into being harassed. There's nowhere to run. There's nowhere to hide. I've learned how to deal with it, but and work through it. But, it's traumatic.
• 31:20
  It brings that trauma back. And the point is to make you wanna keep quiet and not talk about it. But that was my experience with, the most dangerous game. And after that, I can remember they shocked the living hell out of us with a stun gun, hypnotized us. We got us dressed again, showered.
• 31:43
  And then that morning, we were taken back to Robert's house and fed a massive breakfast, and I got so sick, so did my cousin, because being electrocuted like that, it when you get hit with those stun guns, it makes you sick. And so we went and ate this huge meal, and then we just got sick. And we were sick, sick, sick for at least a good solid day, day and a half, if not longer. I haven't been able to remember how long because after that, we were taken to some other places and then ended up outside Dallas and met up with Bird again. And then Bird took us to a naval, air facility, naval air station somewhere down there, Fort Worth, and took my cousin and I to that facility.
• 32:33
  They have a facility there, and they they used, they worked on our voices for singing, and he, chipped us is what I believe happened there. He put a chip in us. And so and when Bird took us there, he all he said to the guard was, these are my grandkids. These are my grandkids. And for me being a kid, was like, what are you talking about?
• 32:56
  You're not my grandpa, but you're a slave. And so you just do what you're told and accept it. But it was very confusing. You're not my grandpa. He said, Oh, I am right now.
• 33:08
  I'm your grandpa. And so I don't know how long he kept us there, but he worked on us for a while, and that was a bad deal for us. Yeah, does that answer about the Cuban?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It does. And, you know, so one thing you've mentioned, your brother, your cousin, a handful of other people. And as I'm thinking this through in terms of, Okay, what is the course of life someone kinda takes? I imagine that certain people that have that beginning of their life, they end up becoming the abuser. Like your grandfather, for instance, at one point, he was just this innocent little child, at one point.
• 33:53
  And then he was turned into something else, and he So, became I imagine that a lot of the people that are exposed to this just become that, and they become the abusers, they become the powerful, the elites. I imagine there's a lot of people that just end up either committing suicide or being killed at a certain point. They can't handle it. But there's also, I think, the rare individual like yourself or Kathy O'Brien, the people that are able to heal through it. And you obviously have done that, right?
• 34:30
  And I'm sure it's a lifelong process of healing. What is life like for your brother and your cousin? Have they been able to heal in any way, or what's happened with them?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Not to my knowledge, Seth, no. I do get asked that a lot, and that is a really good question. People wanna know that. My younger brother who was put through similar experiences as myself, he when I started to remember this stuff and I tried to talk to him about it, it became really scary for me and it became clear that I couldn't trust my family as I was remembering more and more and that my own brother was involved in this stuff. And so there was a bit of a nation there, but also he was programmed to defend the family, as was I.
• 35:23
  We have programming in us. And if you don't break through it, then you're still working with it. And so he actually ended up in mental hospital for a little while is my understanding. And I try not to talk to them very much because I get harassed a lot, and and I don't wanna wake him up and make him do something awful by inadvertently triggering him, but I don't know how he's doing now. I'm not able to talk to him.
• 35:54
  I know he ended up in mental hospital for a little while after I started to remember all this stuff. He's very confrontational about it. He's still stuck, in that state of slavery. And my younger cousin, I tried to talk to him about it some when I first started to remember, and I didn't get anywhere with him, anywhere at all. And as I realized more and more that I could inadvertently trigger these individuals, I just cut off.
• 36:28
  And because of the amount of harassment I face, when I do try to talk to these people, I said, no. I'm just I'm not going there. And so I tried to bring awareness through society by doing things such as speaking with you. Thank you, Seth. But it's very dangerous waters to tread.
• 36:51
  And so I pray that someday they will be able to come to clarity with their own past, but I don't want to try to force it on them because there can be grave consequences.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense actually that that that's how things would be. How many people in our society do you think are these kinds of trauma based mind slaves? Because and I'll kind of add a little more to that question before I hand it back to you to answer it, because as I'm thinking this, it's like, if you were part of this satanic elite, if you had this power, this money, if one of your primary goals was the social engineering and the control of entire populations, entire nations, etcetera, You could see how having these sleeper cells all over the place would be very beneficial in that because they're not even pretending to be like the nice priest. They are the nice priest, but they're also part, this other part of their body, their mind that exists that can do these things.
• 38:03
  And so you could see how it'd be a very useful tool to the satanic elite to have a lot of these people. How many people and just as you're walking through day to day life are part of these families, part of this kind of system?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really good question, Seth. And I can't give you a solid answer on that. To me, it seems like too many, a lot. And so when you get up into the really rich, rich elite families, I think it's a plague in that community. I think it's a plague.
• 38:42
  I think there's a lot of those families. I can't say all of the elite families are satanic and they're involved with this, but a lot of them are and too many, too many. And as far as the general population, there was a lot of us that were being put through it. And you have the satanic families that are abusing their children, but then their children may not be selected for the CIA's program, but you still have that child that's being abused, being raised in that family, is still a dissociate, and they are in our communities. And then, you have just straight up people like me that are trauma based mind slaves, and we are all over the place.
• 39:32
  Everything from your your loan manager to could be someone selling you a car. I mean, it's it's tough. So for me, it's really hard to trust people. It could be someone coming to change out the glass in your home. It could be a carpenter who you've just hired to come and work on your house.
• 39:57
  When I was fully active and they would use me on things once in a while, I would work with various individuals and one, they will control companies too and be able to use that company such as a construction company to get close to someone they wanna get rid of, such as an individual we were trying to get rid of, back in, when was that? That was around 2000. We were working on getting rid of this guy and we tried to hit him in Boise, and I was gonna we're gonna shoot him from the rooftop. He was gonna come out of the barn. We were gonna get him.
• 40:38
  But then we that ended up being aborted, and we tried to get him in Haley, Idaho where he had moved, and we did get him there. We get but when we got him, we took his whole family with him. And the reason that we were able to get him was because they set it up as a remodel work through the general contractor who was controlled by the agency and had several disassociates. If not CIA owned mind slaves, they were disassociates involved in satanic families there in rural Idaho. It seemed like a plague out by Eden, Idaho is a town where there's a lot of satanic pedophilic families of people that are disassociate.
• 41:28
  And when you're involved in those kinds of things so they would use those people too in an operation. It's almost like, Seth, a general contractor. The CIA is the general contractor, and they need to use all these subcontractors to do a job. And so they pull from all these different resources, put it together, do the job. The whole time they're hands off.
• 41:53
  We didn't do it. They did it. And then you have to connect all those dots and bring it back to them, which is very, very difficult. And so it is a problem, more so in some areas than in others. In my experience, Idaho was really bad.
• 42:12
  Utah is really bad. Vermont has a lot of corruption over there, a lot of easily manipulatable people. Idaho, they had a thick network in Idaho is what I would call it. I met lots of people that were involved in Idaho. And then Vermont, I didn't meet anybody that was involved with it over there, but I'd be harassed a lot by aircraft, as well as police, state police and local police.
• 42:42
  And then where I'm at now, it's fairly calm. And so each it's regional, and it's gonna depend on where you live and what that culture's like. And so it's a really tough question you ask, and I can't answer it, but it is dependent on on the regions. But there's a lot of us, a lot more than I would like to imagine. So which is troubling.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It it is. You mentioned before, I think you said you had three children. Right? Yeah.
• 43:18
  What is it like for you as a father? You know, I have two children, have a two year old and a five year old, two little girls, and to me, like, I will protect them from anything and everything. I look at them, I'll stare at them. If my two year old falls asleep in my arms, I'll stare at her. It's just like And She's worth more than a billion dollars, right?
• 43:39
  There's just this life. And so, with this background that you have, especially what was done to you as a child, how has that shaped your role as a father in protecting these children and raising these children? And what's that been like for you to have your own children and bring them into this world?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's ever asked me that, Seth. I appreciate that. It's really hard because before I started to remember stuff, I could be mean, I could be cruel, I could be verbally abusive, not physically abusive, but verbally. And so I have a lot of regrets about how I acted before I started to remember. And now that I've started to remember my past and understand where that anger, and rage came from, I've changed a lot.
• 44:33
  But I have a lot of regrets about the way I used to be before I started to remember stuff. But I was raised in an abusive family. That's how I was treated growing up. And so it's been really difficult. You're very protective of your children.
• 44:48
  And as my children grow, it's hard to see them grow and do their own thing. And so you're always just watching, and you try to be the best father that you can, but all these things are very hard on them too. And so I try not to inundate them with these things, because I I don't want their lives being too affected by it. But at the same time, Seth, you know, one of the reasons I left Idaho too wasn't just because they were trying to kill me, it was because I knew I had to get my kids away. I had to get them away from what happened to me.
• 45:27
  I had to get them away from my family, away from the Mormon church because the Mormon church is something we didn't talk about a whole lot, but we were deeply ingrained in the church. I was, when I was in 1998, I was supposed to be moved into a position of essentially being under Hinkley, Gordon B. Hinkley, and doing things for him there in Salt Lake. I don't quite understand what they had planned, but yeah. So I worry about my kids.
• 45:57
  And a big thing for me, you know, one of the reasons I do this stuff this stuff is hard to do, and so I apologize if I get off track and stuff. But it's so important to me because it has to stop, and it can't stop until everyone understands what they're doing. And with the it's incredible to me how many people are coming out and talking about it because it is entering the human consciousness, and it's becoming something that people can understand finally. And we have to stop it because I worry about my kids. What's gonna happen to them?
• 46:41
  They are blood liners. They carry the same blood I do, and the agency and satanic elite are gonna want them. And that just drives me nuts. And so for me, it's a passion of we have to stop this. We have to because otherwise we're gonna leave it for our kids, Seth.
• 47:01
  What kind of men are we? What kind of people are we if we just leave this for our kids? And so that is one of the reasons that I am so adamant about fighting this stuff, because it's wrong, and I don't want to leave it for my kids. Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I have, in my own way, that same sense of protection and asking myself, What am I leaving for them? And that's why I do this podcast. It's because I think that we live in an age of information warfare, and this is, this is the way that I've chosen to, to fight is to help bring this story to more people. And from my limited understanding of this, that's how I think that we do stop it, is just by enough people knowing about it. But my concern is that what if enough people know about it, but they choose to do nothing?
• 48:01
  And that's that's my concern. Right?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a really good point. And I think the whole world's watching right now as the Epstein stuff is coming out. The whole world is watching. I've had people tell me that that are from other countries like we're watching to see what you actually do about it.
• 48:20
  Because what will the people do about it? And are they letting this stuff out to test the people? What will you do about it? Will you do nothing? And now it's just acceptable in society.
• 48:34
  What's it gonna be like in forty years or in fifty years or in a hundred years and two generations from now? And so, yeah, what will the people do? I share your concern there, Seth. Yeah, sincerely.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because I think that there's, as I've tried to break this stuff down, I think that the evil, they have a lot of power in secrecy, and that's how they've been able to sustain for so long. And that gives them a lot of power. But I think actually what gives them the greatest power is to do what they're doing without secrecy. If they can do it in the open and still get away with it, the power they will have over this world will multiply by an exponential amount.
• 49:20
  And you mentioned, like, Yeah, what's it look like in forty years? It's like, Gosh, I can imagine in forty years, in every town, they're gonna have a statue of Moloch that, you know, you each person in the village has to go take their firstborn child to sacrifice to as part of what how that town operate. You know, this this is biblical stuff that we've seen throughout history, the Aztec temples, their human sacrifice is just part of the culture. And like that, that's where it leads to if we don't stop it. That's what it leads to, is that this becomes part of our culture that we're run by these openly satanic elites that will openly sacrifice and abuse, and you can't do anything about it.
• 49:57
  But I do think that, just my own perspective, I do think that there's something inside of us that's human that these people don't have. And when people see this information, that thing gets woken up inside of them. It's hard to cover it back up once it opens up. And that's why I think that these conversations are so important. Because if we can take people that maybe thought this was some weird conspiracy, or they weren't sure about it, and we can open that up inside of them, they can then carry the torch in their own way.
• 50:29
  That's how we can do this.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. It is interesting that you mentioned, worshiping idols and stuff because you have places like Bohemian Grove, people are well aware of, that Bohemian Grove and that nefarious things happened there, very bad things.
• 50:54
  And so I couldn't even remember my uncle talking about that place in as a bad place, and he was gonna go there and be involved with people's abuse. And, yeah, they're already doing it. They're already worshiping, those those evil gods. What is it gonna be like in forty years? My goodness.
• 51:18
  An open slave market right now it's a closed slave market, where you can't see it. It's the black market of human trafficking and mind slavery. Is it just gonna be an open market? Will everyone know, oh, well, that guy, he's just a mind slave. Like, you can tell him this, he'll do it.
• 51:39
  You know, what is the line that they're gonna draw?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Thank you for coming on. I I really do. I I I can only try to imagine what it would be like to be in your shoes and to be talking through these things with someone that you've never met before. And so, really appreciate, your courage and just what you've done to do this, to do this work.
• 52:06
  I really appreciate you for what you're doing. It's really important. And I thank you for opening up for us.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth. Yeah. Thank you for the platform and for talking to me about it. It needs to get out there. People need to understand it.
• 52:21
  It needs to end. So I really appreciate it. Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I hope I've been coherent. These things can be very difficult for me to talk through, so I apologize to folks. But I hope that I was coherent enough that everyone can understand the message I'm trying to share.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, were. You were.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. I do have a book people can buy as well, and they can, read through my journal of memory. See, when I started to remember all these things, I realized that I wasn't just remembering stuff that was about me, And that was about my family. I was remembering things that are crucial for national security. National security in that I believe the majority of people in this country should be safe.
• 53:13
  And with this kind of stuff going on, we are not. Our country is extremely vulnerable in an environment where mind slavery is not only tolerated, it's actually sponsored by our own government. And so very important to me that that these things do be discussed. So thank you for giving me the time to do that so people can buy my book. They don't have to, though, Seth.
• 53:41
  They can go to my website. Thank you. And they can just, they can read almost everything that's in my book. I was thinking the other day, I would include my introduction and forward onto my website somewhere. I'll figure out where to do that because then people can have my book's entirety online for free.
• 54:01
  But if they want, they can buy the book in a hard form. But I feel like this information should be free, and it should be available to the public. And, you know, people know about nuclear weapons, Seth, this weapon that can destroy entire cities. Well, trauma based mind slavery can destroy entire nations
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and civilization,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and it is an extremely dangerous weapon. They don't they should not be playing with this, and people should know about it and the people should be able to decide. Do we think this is even ethical? Should this even be going on in our government? It's hidden right now under laws for national security, but that is only as as, secret as we allow it to be.
• 54:58
  And so that's one reason I talk about this so much because it's not top secret if I'm gonna tell you about it. Guess what? Now it's not. So your cat's out of the bag, and there's more and more of us that are gonna start talking, and it's over. It's game over.
• 55:15
  Trauma based mind slavery is not gonna work. You're not gonna be able to control this government. We are gonna shut it down. And so I thank you for the opportunity to be involved in that on your platform. And so people can go to my website, read all my journal memories.
• 55:32
  I wrote those journal memories and made them available because they are so important. When I first started writing them, I was writing them more for my family, for my brothers and my sisters so I could talk to them about what I was even remembering. And and just to work through my past. I never I never thought, well, I'm gonna write all this stuff and publish it. But when I when I started remembering it, I realized I have to publish it.
• 55:58
  People have to know about this. So they can go to my website, mormonmonarch.com, or they can purchase my book, Mormon Monarch Born into a Deep State. And so they can find my book through my website, there, and it'll take them to Lulu, and then they can buy it. I try to put it on sale, so that it's cheaper. From time to time, I try to keep up on that, but I am a busy individual, and so I don't always have time.
• 56:26
  But, yeah, people can purchase it there, and they can read through all of all my journaled memories that are published. And I keep working on it. I need to get better at it. The past, I'll admit the past probably year and a half or so I've been sloughing off, and I need to get back on it. Because I have a whole list of things I need to work out.
• 56:50
  And so I'll get back on it, and I'll update my book, my website as well. So Well,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: good. I'll make sure those links are in the show description. And I also wanna tell anyone who's watching or listening to share this information. That's really it's it's free, there's no paywall. It's free for any way to look at that.
• 57:13
  Just get this video, this interview, whether the podcast version or the video version, just share it, even with one person. That's how we it's an information war, and this is important information. Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: It's a mind war. It's a mind war, is what it is. And so, yeah, share the information. Write to your senators. Tell them they need to stop this.
• 57:39
  Write to your representatives. It's time for people to start making the state. I don't believe in violence. I was made to kill, well, way too many people. I've seen way too many people die, but we can peacefully say enough.
• 57:54
  Enough is enough and we're done. Agreed. Share the information.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Well, JR, thank you again. I really appreciate this and just thank you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth. I appreciate it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, take care and God bless you.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: What you've just heard in the second part takes us about as far behind the curtain as most people will be ever willing to go. We're no longer talking about abstractions like corruption or the deep state in the abstract. We're talking about specific mechanisms, specific places, specific ways that human beings are turned into tools of the state and then discarded. Now I'm not going to tell you what to do with this information specifically, but here's what I'm gonna do. My choice is simple, I'd rather live facing reality head on, however dark it is, than live in some sort of comforting lie.
• 58:52
  I'd rather acknowledge that systems like this can exist, that ordinary looking institutions can house extraordinary evil, and then ask calmly and honestly, given that, what is within my control? We've gone through some dark material, but the solution isn't to freeze and fear, it's to turn towards what's good and what is actually within your control. Pray, spend time in nature, reconnect with people you love, hug your children, your kids, your grandkids, and just remember there's always hope. There's a light in all this darkness. And honestly, if JR can see that after surviving everything that he's been through, then I think that we can too.
• 59:31
  Now I intentionally didn't run any ads in this show. I just didn't feel like they belong. But if you wanna support my work, the best thing you can do is just help more people see this information. Sharing this show with even one person will help make a difference. Also, make sure you let me know what you think in the comments, like positive or negative.
• 59:49
  I will read them all. And if you want to show your support to JR, I'm gonna put his email in the show description because I'm sure it would mean so much to him if he's heard your response to this show, and if he hears from you and hears your support. He's a brave soul, and he's risked a lot to get this information out, and that deserves our support. So thank you for being here, and make sure to join me next Saturday night for the next interview in my Survivor Series. I think that if things go well, we've got Kathy O'Brien as the next guest for our Survivor Series.
• 1:00:22
  So until then, stay grounded, guard your mind, protect the innocent around you, and don't confuse seeing darkness with surrendering to it.