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Matthew Maher: Tipping Point Or Turning Point? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey friends, thanks for watching and listening.
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  Turning Point USA continues to be the fastest growing political organization in the world
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  and conservative movement based on Christ from what we've seen now.
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  We're so blessed by that.
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  Chapter requests for TPUSA have doubled since Charlie Kirk's memorial from 60,000 to 120,000
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  on both high school and college campuses across the country.
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  Charlie Kirk's life goal was 20,000 by the way, so we're already 100,000 more than that.
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  Now people are going to church, new people, people that haven't been to church before, people
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  are buying bibles, they're renouncing the left, they tried to silence Charlie Kirk.
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  But they only fueled a movement that cannot be stopped.
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  The question is, will this be a tipping point for America and the church, or will it be
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  a turning point?
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  Pastor Matthew Mayer is here to talk about that next.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  All right, so welcome.
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  Matthew Mayer is a great pastor at landmark church, Ocean City, New Jersey, and he's got
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  a great website called truthovertrand.com.
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  He's one of my favorite younger pastors that we get to talk to, and I get to glean from.
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  And he's written some great books as well.
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  I want to just highlight one of them, and that is discerning the devil's playbook.
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  And Matthew, brother, thank you for your voice, what you're writing about, speaking about,
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  and it's so good for you to be here.
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  God bless you, brother, thanks.
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  David, it's an honor to be back with you.
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  Love the work that you guys are doing, and the milestones and accomplishments that your
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  team and you have spearheaded through this platform, and I'm gleaning so much from what
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  you guys are doing and the guests that you bring on.
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  Praise God.
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  I didn't know who knows what God's going to do, right?
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  So I'm just really fortunate to be doing this at this time where we need loud, clear, truthful,
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  bold voices to speak not only to share the gospel and be able to defend the faith and
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  the biblical worldview, but to be able to kind of speak to a confused, hurting church.
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  We'll get to that in a minute, but you did a recent presentation, a sermon presentation
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  at your church called Signs of the Times, the shot scene around the world, turning point
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  or tipping point.
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  That's why I kind of teased the intro like I did, because this could go either way, Matthew,
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  and I think it's way too early to speculate, but we're seeing signs, very promising signs.
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  I think revival is messy, and I'm getting some Christians criticizing some of the believers,
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  maybe because they responded, wow, that memorial was awesome.
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  When maybe one of the speakers was Catholic or something, come on, guys, let's look at
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  the big picture here.
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  This is huge.
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  I've never seen anything like that.
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  That memorial where you've got this movement, you've got Charlie who they wanted to honor
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  him, so they're preaching Jesus, but you've got political leaders, Christian leaders.
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  Here's the problem I have, Matthew, and I'm going to toss it over to you.
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  And we've got people in politics and in this administration declaring the name of Jesus
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  and the gospel so much more clearly than the church in America has been, there's a problem.
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  Will that change?
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  What are your thoughts?
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  That is an indictment on the church of Jesus Christ, and specifically pastors, those
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  in my role, that politicians who are primarily ordained by God to be his civil servants,
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  Romans 13, and their primary objective is to, just as Romans 13 says, sustain good behavior,
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  honor those that do good, keep law and order, and punish evil doers.
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  That's the sword that God has entrusted to governments.
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  And of course, if they're communicating the gospel of Jesus Christ, I'm not going to dissect
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  their intentions or their motives as I saw so many people online do.
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  This was political rhetoric, and I'm like, no, you don't know your Bible, Philippians
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  chapter 1, verses 15 to 18, Paul tells us, doesn't make a difference, the mode is of
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  their heart.
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  Whether sincere or selfish ambition, Paul rejoiced, whether in pretense or in truth,
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  the gospel was preached, and those voices were loud and clear.
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  In fact, someone like Marco Rubio was preaching the gospel with such passion and with such
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  clarity, more than most pastors.
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  So again, it falls on the Church of Jesus Christ to rise to the occasion for such a time
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  as this.
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  And I'm convinced, David, that we're going to see simultaneously a turning point towards
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  righteousness at the same time, a tipping point into darkness and lawlessness.
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  Because the bolder we get, you better believe the agents of darkness, those that are incited
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  by the spiritual realm that many people don't focus on, the demonic movements we're seeing,
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  but the veil is only thinning, that's kind of why you're feeling the way you feel.
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  They're going to continue to amp up that in a violent way, and that's why the Church
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  must get bolder, and we must be about our father's business.
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  Yes, yes, yes.
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  Now we've seen off the chart spirit of lawlessness in America and around the world in the last
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  five, 10 years, but specifically since 2020, crazy lawlessness, sin, godlessness.
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  But now we can't expect with all these positive things, like Christians getting out, more
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  people going to church, maybe the gospel being maybe many pockets of revival, whatever's
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  happening now, God's moving.
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  There's no mistaking the fact that he is moving and he wants to do a work where that
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  will go, we don't know, we're seeing, we're cautiously optimistic.
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  But the left is not going to just say, oh, okay, well, this is too big for us.
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  That's not their nature.
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  Their nature is to kill, steal and destroy, because their father, the devil, kills, steals
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  and destroys.
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  So you started off your speech, your sermon, talking about the shot heard around the world,
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  and that was one of them in 1775, we're going way back now, walk us through this and just
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  let's hit some of the bullet points and we'll talk about them as you bring them up.
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  That's the common expression.
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  The shot heard around the world a phrase that was immortalized by Ralph Waldo Emerson in
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  his poem, some 60 plus years later from that April 1775 battle, the battle of Lexington
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  and Concord.
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  When I thought about the moment, it wasn't the shot heard around the world, these 250 years
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  later, September 10th, with our brother Charlie Kirk, it was the shot seen around the world,
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  and we cannot unsee it.
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  When I thought about the graphic imagery, the bullet struck our brother's neck, I thought
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  about the neck in general, David, the vulnerability of the neck.
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  I realized, especially in combat sports, jujitsu, freestyle wrestling, martial arts, there's
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  one position you never want to give up, it's your neck.
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  The moment that someone is able to choke your neck, the battle, the fight, could be over
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  in seconds, there's only one defense mechanism is to put your chin into your chest to keep
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  your neck secure.
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  When I thought about that, I realized there were two wildly different responses to the
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  assassination and martyrdom of Charlie Kirk.
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  There were those who stiffened their neck, and the Bible uses that expression to describe
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  defiance, and those in rebellion, and God would often raise up prophets, and even Stephen
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  himself pointed at the religious and political leaders of his day and said, you stiff-necked.
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  There was this mocking, this jeering, this demonically incited response, people were laughing
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  about it, and then on the other side, you saw those dropping their neck, a posture of
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  mourning and grief, and the Lord gave me that imagery, and in that moment, that's when
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  I thought of it.
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  There's a turning point happening before our very eyes, and a tipping point happening
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  before our very eyes, and both are world views colliding.
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  So it was with that in mind that I kind of labored to put together this message just
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  to make sure the church understood the moment that we are in, and to take it further, think
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  about Charlie being the tip of the spear, he's going out into the public square, the marketplace
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  of ideas, college campuses, and then you look at Acts chapter 6, and did you know the dissenters
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  or the antagonists that came at Stephen first?
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  They came from the synagogue of the freedmen, keep that word in mind, freedmen, that was
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  an institution of higher learning that had a religious feel to it, and they came out
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  there to contend with Stephen, and when Stephen, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,
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  it says, was contending for the faith, they could not dispute the power of the Spirit
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  and his wisdom.
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  So you know what they resorted to next, David Slander, blaspheming, they claimed him of blaspheming,
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  and that of course stirred up the crowd, and this is the playbook of the enemy.
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  And as you referenced it earlier, I hate to say this, but those four plays that I spelled
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  out in that booklet, that can help you understand what happened and what created the climate
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  and culture that would lead to a 22 year old, deranged young man, and we pray for the salvation
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  of his soul to be led by demonic ideology to fire a shot, little did he know that our God
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  is able to take what man meant for evil and recycle it for good.
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  Now with that in mind, here's what the Lord calls me to see.
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  I thought about Charlie being on the college campuses, he's exercising his God-given
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  rights, spelled out in our Constitution, our First Amendment, three of the components
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  of the First Amendment were in full view with Charlie, freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
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  and the freedom to public, the public assembly.
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  Yes.
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  And I'm going, here he is doing what God called in the do and a bullet strikes his neck,
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  the place where the voice is projected, and there's another reason why the neck is so pivotal.
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  And the enemy thought he would silence voices of truth.
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  And when one brother struck down, we've seen the multiplication, the amplification of
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  the gospel, how many have risen up?
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  Now get this David, I'm a word Smith.
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  I love looking into etymology and I decided to look up Charlie's name.
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  So I found out that Charlie's name means free man, free man.
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  And then I decided to look up Charlie's last name, what does Kirk mean?
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  The etymology of Kirk is church, which means Charlie symbolically represented a free man
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  of the church.
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  And when that bullet struck him, the enemy's attempt was to silence freedom and the church,
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  but he didn't know that many free men and free women of the church would rise up.
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  And I think that's the moment we are in.
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  You're either going to see people courageously step up to the plate or as 2020 and on has
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  revealed, many will cower in fear.
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  And that's the moment that we are in.
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  Yes.
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  And my goodness, I mean, I've just heard some of the numbers or even some of the estimates
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  that there were over 200,000, I mean, some say 270,000 plus just in Phoenix physically.
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  And other estimates say there were hundreds of millions watching through all the various
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  outlets that were live streaming this.
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  So you've got hundreds of millions.
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  And then all the clips and all the replays and all the people that are now going back,
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  this is something that, you know, God's ways are above our ways, aren't they?
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  But I want to read something that you shared in this message and get you to further elaborate.
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  I love these points, Matthew.
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  First of all, said you believe this is one of the prophetic implications the Lord wants
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  us to see.
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  The way people respond in this moment will reveal which kingdom they belong to.
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  Now I know we're going to talk about this in another podcast with you later.
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  But I thought that's a great point.
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  You will know them by their fruit.
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  You know the way by the way people respond or responded to the assassination.
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  World view they are of or is biblically what spirit they are of.
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  And that includes professing Christians, not just the left, not just the radicals, not
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  just the atheists, but professing Christians.
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  They maybe had some theology wrong.
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  Maybe just didn't believe certain talking points, but you said that's why this is so important.
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  So you said two different reactions, morning and heaviness or mocking and hodiness.
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  So go ahead and continue, please.
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  This is really good.
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  We'll begin with the mocking and haughtiness because there was a time where again in my
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  fallen state, my own thoughts, I would think something that I would be ashamed of, right?
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  And it would be one thing to think it, but to take the next step and even share something
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  I'm thinking that's shameful.
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  That's another thing, thinking it and then saying it.
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  But what we watched was all together different, right?
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  Something gross and disgusting was those unashamed in posting it.
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  So you're talking about not just thinking it or saying it, but posting it and mocking
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  and jeering and only demons are able to mock the murder of an innocent man.
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  And I'm not saying innocent per condition, right?
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  He wasn't innocent.
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  He was a sinner, innocent in the sense that he was not breaking any laws.
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  He was out there doing what God called him to do.
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  And that's when that occurred.
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  And then you saw on the opposite side, people that didn't even know Charlie and perhaps
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  didn't even know what he was about.
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  I even, I've spoke to those people.
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  They said they felt something when they heard about it, something in their spirit was seized.
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  And I believe in that moment, the thinning of the veil from the spiritual realm to the
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  physical realm, around the world we felt it and the Lord revealed two kingdoms.
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  That's it.
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  That's all there is.
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  Not complicated.
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  There's the kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness.
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  There's the kingdom of truth and the kingdom of lies.
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  There's the kingdom of Christ, our Lord, our king and there's the kingdom of the anti-Christ.
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  And that's it.
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  When you begin to see from a biblical worldview, all the noise, all the clutter, all the chaos
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  with the word of God as our lens, things become very clear.
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  And you get to see who's who and a lot of people have a hard time with division.
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  But from God's vantage point, it's not division.
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  Jesus told us he did not come to bring peace on earth.
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  He came to bring a sword and the sword represented division, even within nuclear families, parents,
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  at odds against their children and vice versa, siblings at odds.
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  And where does all this derive from?
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  Where we stand with the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  Not the multi, not the, let me say it like this and then I'll throw it back to you.
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  Not the one dimensional Jesus and that's the evidence that people are biblically illiterate.
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  They only know the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and choice versus thereof.
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  The ones that speak about love and Jesus was gracious, but they leave out the truth
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  side of Jesus.
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  And of course the full, holistic, multi-dimensional presentation of Jesus, which I'm in the
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  book of Revelation with my church here at landmark.
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  And we just got done chapter one where we have the portrait of the risen, glorified Christ,
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  eyes of fire, his feet like bronze, like bronze glowing in a furnace.
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  He has a sword coming out of his mouth.
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  And this imagery, white hair, that's the glorified Jesus.
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  That's the one that within us causes us to have a healthy fear of him.
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  And what you're seeing right now is people don't have a healthy fear of God and that is
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  why we are in the situation we are in.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And by the way, the landmark dot church is the website, the landmark dot church.
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  And of course truth over trend dot com.
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  So you wrote a nation at war with truth will soon be at war with itself.
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  You know in 2016, Matthew, I believe it was Oxford dictionary, you know, however year
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  they come up with the word of the year.
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  And I was writing my book redefining truth in 2016.
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  And the word of the year was post truth in 2016.
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  And as you rightly say, a nation at war with truth will soon be at war with itself.
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  And then you also said later on in your message, the pressing question is what happens next
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  because the same event that awakens some hardens others.
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  That's the way you phrase to talk more about that, please.
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  Yeah, the same son that melts the wax hardens the clay.
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  We all watch the same event to polar opposite responses.
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  And then truth as God defines it when you see a nation or a society begin to redefine what
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  God has designed and we can go down the list, whether it's gender or morals or whether
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  it's borders that are prescribed for the nation's safety, whatever you want to talk about.
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  When truth is redefined, you begin to see the division that we're witnessing in our land.
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  And let me just finish my thought from earlier.
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  Vision from God's perspective is separation, right?
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  Separation of the wheat from the tears, separation of the sheep from the goats.
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  And while we're watching that happen, here's my fear because what's happening in the spiritual
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  realm, usually manifests in the physical realm, we've crossed over a line and I see and
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  I hate to say this or admit it out loud.
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  That's a nation that is at war with truth will soon be at war with itself.
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  I see that almost as a repeat of a physical civil war and I hate to say that but you're
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  seeing two extremes and you're seeing a clash in the physical and this is where the church
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  has to be wise.
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  This is where the church, we don't remove ourselves from the battle because we are the ones
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  that carry forth truth and we want to see soul saved and we want to see God's kingdom
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  advance until he returns.
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  But here's where you're going to see people resort to physical weapons and the weapons
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  of our warfare are not carnal.
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  They're mighty in God for the pulling down of lies and strongholds.
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  So we must make sure that as long as we have the weapon of God's word that we bring truth
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  to bear, that is why the memorial service, as we watched it, seeing the gospel go forth,
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  seeing hundreds of thousands of people just in the vicinity of that arena and then I've
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  heard over a hundred million watched live streamed online.
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  It all culminated.
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  Did it not?
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  With Erika Kirk.
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  What did she do?
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  She took from the sword of the spirit and when darkness wants to come in like a flood,
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  she wielded that sword and offered forgiveness which is one of the weapons that crushes
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  the devil's neck.
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  And that's what God said as an indictment on the serpent in Genesis 315, there would
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  come one from the woman, a seed, a seed of evil, I say, that will crush your head and
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  yeah, you might bruise his heel but it was the cross and the forgiveness that was poured
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  out that makes us of the redeemed.
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  That's the weapon of our warfare.
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  We go forward in that spirit.
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  So what do we do?
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  We pray for those that persecute us.
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  We bless those that curse us.
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  We love those that hate us and that's the war that Jesus has already won.
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  Yep.
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  That was a powerful moment by the way.
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  I mean, I even watching it on replays and other people sharing it, you still get choked
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  up.
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  If that doesn't just hit you somehow in your heart or in your emotions, then I don't
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  know guys.
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  But Jesus said, everyone who is on the side of truth, here's my voice.
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  Yes.
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  And we are his sheep.
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  We are his people.
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  We hear his voice.
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  Others do not hear his voice.
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  Like you said, they turned a mocking.
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  But you say that we share his mission.
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  That mission is the gospel to testify to the truth.
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  And we're running out of time.
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  So I just want to jump to the end where you quote Revelation 210, you're studying Revelation
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  at your church right now.
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  But Jesus said, be faithful until death, I will give you the crown of life.
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  Now we represent Jesus as his ambassadors.
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  I think Matthew speak to this for a minute and wherever else you want to go in the last
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  five minutes here, because I think we, the church in America at least have lost some
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  of the application of very basic principles.
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  When Jesus said, you are the light of the world.
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  You are salt.
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  We are ambassadors for Christ.
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  We are to make disciples, not necessarily build massive buildings and put in CEOs and
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  then have great programs.
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  I don't read that in the scriptures.
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  But God has given us the gospel.
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  We are ministers of reconciliation.
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  Well, you can't do that just on Sunday morning.
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  So speak to that because that's kind of our role that we've kind of neglected, not just
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  generally, not all Christians.
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  But our culture would look completely different.
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  And so would all the major institutions, our politics, our government schools, corporations,
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  Hollywood, everything.
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  Culture would look a little different if there was more Christian influence.
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  Go ahead.
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  I think the church has sadly got it all wrong.
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  We look at the corporate gathering, that public gathering, usually on a Sunday when we come
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  together.
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  And we believe that that is what constitutes the church, right?
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  Maybe a 90 minute service, maybe three songs that we sing collectively.
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  Some announcements about what's happening in the church and then a sermon.
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  And then we kind of compartmentalize our faith.
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  Monday begins, we make our way through Saturday and we come back to church.
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  But that's not what Jesus meant.
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  When he established his church, the Ecclesia, the church was a people to be sent forth as
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  ambassadors.
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  So I recently did a sermon here where I said, hey guys, when we come together, the church
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  is the embassy.
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  What is an embassy?
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  It's sovereign soil on another nation's land or territory.
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  And every ambassador or delegate has a specific responsibility.
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  So we come together.
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  Guess what we do?
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  We have a meeting.
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  And everybody that's at this table, we're going to go over misinformation campaigns, smear
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  campaigns.
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  We're going to talk about the propaganda because as an ambassador, you need to know what
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  is true in the midst of a world of lies.
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  And then you are delegated an assignment and there's other reasons why within a ambassador's
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  role in an embassy, when they leave, they go in the name of their sovereign, they represent
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  him with the same authority, they go with the rights of their kingdom, and that's kind
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  of what we're missing.
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  So we come together on a Sunday, it's our gathering and then we're sent forth to represent
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  King Jesus in the public square.
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  And that's why we felt the way we felt with brother Charlie.
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  He wasn't a politician, he wasn't a pope, he wasn't a president, he wasn't in office,
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  but he was an ambassador, which meant he was in a spiritual office and he represented a
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  spiritual kingdom.
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  And that is why you saw a global response when blood was shed and blood, the blood of
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  the saints is the seed of the church.
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  The blood of the martyrs, absolutely great points.
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  I love that, the embassy, the thought about that, because we are on foot, we are citizens
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  of heaven.
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  So we are not of this world, if you're born again, we're just passing through, but we
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  have a job to do while we're here.
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  And that's what we forget.
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  A lot of people, I'm saved, thank God, I'll go home and just do whatever after church.
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  But Matthew, have you noticed any new people come into your church since the assassination?
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  Because this is happening around the country and around the world.
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  Yeah, so the Sunday after, now the Wednesday of September 10th, I mean, I felt like I was
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  hit by a ton of bricks, I was grieving, I was crying uncontrollably.
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  I had processed my thoughts because I was preaching that night, but I realized I needed
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  to make a public statement that early and I got up and that's online on our website
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  on our YouTube and I just let the spirit kind of seize me and speak to the moment.
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  And then I gathered my thoughts and had a more formal response that Sunday.
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  And it was that Sunday that we saw numbers like we've never seen before.
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  People were coming from all over the place.
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  We were jam packed.
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  And I knew what it was from, like 9-11, 24 years ago, people were responding to the tragedy
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  and even had something to say about that.
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  Don't let this fade like 9-11 did.
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  We forgot about that.
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  The Lord ordained you to feel what you felt and he wants you to be part of his church.
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  Because where is Jesus right now in the midst of his church?
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  And that's where we need to be.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And man, I don't think we need to convince anybody that the spiritual warfare is real and
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  it's ramping up, but we need to be ready with the word of God.
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  And there's going to be more gospel opportunities if we are sensitive to them and led by the Holy
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  Spirit, friends.
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  God can really use all of us and everyone has a spirit of influence.
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  So we're going to do the podcast with you and we're just so thankful for your time.
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  Again, friends, you can go to truthovertrend.com.
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  And brother Matthew, we so appreciate your voice and your time that went by way too fast.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you, David.
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  God bless you guys.
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  As a share of the podcast as always, thank you so much for getting us out there and God
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  bless you.
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  Keep speaking the truth about things that matter.