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Why This 1998 Conspiracy Show Got Instantly Suppressed (Phenomenon The Lost Archives) · Under the Docs

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Speaker 1: All the witnesses that got murdered, all the people that
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Speaker 1: end up dead around this thing that this was never
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Speaker 1: meant to come to light.
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Speaker 2: Under the docks.
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Speaker 1: Yeap, under the docks.
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Speaker 3: Were breaking? Looks funny? Could they original shots? They connect
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Speaker 3: the dogs under the docks, under the ducks. Yep, under
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Speaker 3: the docks, under the docks.
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Speaker 1: We eat them up. This one is another one out
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Speaker 1: of my personal archive. I would also be shocked if
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Speaker 1: anyone has heard of or seen the series before, even
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Speaker 1: when I bring it up now with people like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I know. Dean Stockwell was a host of a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: show what are you talking about? So? This is a
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Speaker 1: series called Phenomenon the Lost Archives. It was hosted by
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Speaker 1: Dean Stockwell, who was the sidekick in Quantum Leap. If
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Speaker 1: you ever watched Quantum Leap, he's the guy that's always
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Speaker 1: hitting Zigi. So he hosted this show that lasted for
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Speaker 1: one season. It was about fourteen episodes in nineteen ninety eight,
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Speaker 1: and it's sort of a combination of X Files and
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Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries, but with a much heavier lean into like
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Speaker 1: investigative reporting where they actually go in and do interviews
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Speaker 1: with people and victims and prosecutors and experts, and it's
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Speaker 1: so it's not fictional like X Files, and it's not
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Speaker 1: like a re enacted the same way the Unsolved Mysteries is.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like, I guess, like America's Most Want
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Speaker 1: you could throw in there too. It's sort of all
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Speaker 1: three of those things combined. And man, I don't know
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Speaker 1: where this even aired. Even before we started recording this episode,
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Speaker 1: both of us were spending some time trying to find
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Speaker 1: out TV guide, IMDb, Wikipedia, And when I first saw this,
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Speaker 1: I think that it was uploaded to like some torn
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Speaker 1: or like a used net site in the early two thousands,
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Speaker 1: which was only I guess, like three or four years
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Speaker 1: after it had aired on TV. But what channel, like where,
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Speaker 1: what network? Even aired this, I have absolutely no idea.
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Speaker 1: It's part of the mystery.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the biggest mystery, because, like you said,
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Speaker 4: I was leaning towards Fox have been in and then
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Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, this doesn't look like the similar Fox
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Speaker 4: go to, especially in nineteen ninety eight, And then I
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Speaker 4: was like, yeah, you're kind of right, we should be
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Speaker 4: it should be recognizable, and it's not. And I don't
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Speaker 4: know where it aired, and I personally have never seen
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Speaker 4: this series whatsoever. So I do feel that we may
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Speaker 4: dip back into this well later on down the line.
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Speaker 1: So just to preface this that we're not reviewing the
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Speaker 1: entire series. We just picked a single episode, and my
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Speaker 1: guess is we will probably returned to the series for
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Speaker 1: another episode in the future. The episode that we're covering
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Speaker 1: it was aired on November sixth, nineteen ninety eight, and
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Speaker 1: it was called American Midnight, and American Midnight is about
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Speaker 1: these two kids that died in part with this Iran
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Speaker 1: contra scandal that involves CIA drug smuggling and George Bush
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Speaker 1: and corrupt prosecutors and corrupt medical examiners, the Medean Cartel
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Speaker 1: Iran like it just it connects all of these different things.
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Speaker 1: And if you've never heard about this, then pull up
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Speaker 1: a chair and listen up, because it's important. Revealed in
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Speaker 1: the upcoming episodes of this program are the contents of
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Speaker 1: recently unearthed repository classified by the secret government. These are
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Speaker 1: the phenomenon archives, and that's what Dean Stockwell says. Every
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Speaker 1: time one of these episodes starts, and it hits so hard,
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Speaker 1: and the music and the little interstitials are definitely dated.
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Speaker 1: It brings you back to when PlayStation one was like
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Speaker 1: the hottest game console on the planet, right, but it
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Speaker 1: hits certain hard man And again, I would have been
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Speaker 1: so lucky to have actually watched this when it came out.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if we find a backstory that
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Speaker 1: they recorded all fourteen of these episodes and they just
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Speaker 1: immediately got suppressed. Someone was like, oh, oh, that's not
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Speaker 1: going on my network. And this one's a great example
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Speaker 1: of that, because, like I was saying in the intro,
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Speaker 1: this this is not X files and it's not sort
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Speaker 1: of America's most wanted in terms of like the fake reenactments.
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Speaker 1: These are legitimate stories and actual investigative reporting that you
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Speaker 1: don't even see news corporations do anymore, let alone a
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Speaker 1: TV show that was ultimately made for entertainment.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great too because you actually get people
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Speaker 4: that were involved, from witnesses to the parents that were involved,
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Speaker 4: to actually people that were investigating it, and they go
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Speaker 4: into detail of who these people were and why it's important.
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Speaker 1: So let me just do a quick recap for if
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Speaker 1: you're not familiar with this story about Mina, Arkansas and
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Speaker 1: Clinton and the Iran conscious scandal and Bush. There's a
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Speaker 1: million things that it ties into, but ultimately this is
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Speaker 1: about two kids that died. It was Don Henry and
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Speaker 1: Kevin Ives. Don Henry and Kevin Ives. They live in
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Speaker 1: the small town by Mina, Arkansas, and they're basically out
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Speaker 1: one night walking around the train tracks. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people here work in the train industry. I believe
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Speaker 1: Kevin Ives's dad was a train engineer, so like they
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Speaker 1: were just familiar with the area, just out in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night walking around and then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the bodies are found dismembered on the train
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Speaker 1: tracks and the media official reports were that these kids
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Speaker 1: smoked some of the pot, a little too much of
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Speaker 1: the pot. They laid down on the train tracks, and
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Speaker 1: they passed out, and that the oncoming train that they
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Speaker 1: were so stoned out of their minds on nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: six pot that they got in Arkansas, that they didn't
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Speaker 1: hear the train coming, they didn't wake up, and the
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Speaker 1: train dismembered them. And that's basically, you know, oops, two
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Speaker 1: stone teenagers, two dope heads, died doing something stupid in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Case closed, Well, the parents
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Speaker 1: didn't want to say case closed. The parents wanted to
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Speaker 1: look into this because they were like, first of all,
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Speaker 1: my son ain't no dope head. You know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: To get two teenagers smoking weed in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the forest on the train anyways, it's like, my kid
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Speaker 1: wasn't no dope head. But also they started getting contacted
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Speaker 1: by eyewitnesses. They would get contacted by anonymous witnesses that
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Speaker 1: were like, Hey, I was there, I saw guys show up,
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Speaker 1: I heard a gunshot, I saw this happen. Then there
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Speaker 1: was one of the train engineers that was on the
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Speaker 1: train at the time. It said that the bodies were
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Speaker 1: already on the tracks covered with plastic tarps, and that
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Speaker 1: by the time they saw these tarp covered bodies, they
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Speaker 1: couldn't stop in time and they hit them, but they
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Speaker 1: they saw the bodies dead already before the train hit.
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Speaker 1: So long story short, the official narrative breaks down immediately.
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Speaker 1: The medical examiner that works for the state, he comes
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Speaker 1: out and he's like, yep, they just they lay down
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Speaker 1: on the train tracks and that's all that happened. The
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Speaker 1: family had a second analysis done on the two boys bodies.
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Speaker 1: They found one of them had was hit in the
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Speaker 1: face with what they think was the out of a
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Speaker 1: rifle and the other one had stab wounds. And even
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Speaker 1: after they found this conclusive, objective proof, they bring it
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Speaker 1: back to the state medical examiner and he's just like, nope, nope,
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Speaker 1: none of that happened and no one was stabbed. I
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. If you look deep, they
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Speaker 1: don't do it in this documentary. If you look deeper
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Speaker 1: into that medical examiner. And his name is Moloch by
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Speaker 1: the way, I just his name is Malloch, but and
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Speaker 1: he's this is a particular event that has to do
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Speaker 1: with two kids that were killed by the state for
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Speaker 1: horrible reasons. But one of the other cases that you
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Speaker 1: will sacrifice if you will, but one of the other
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Speaker 1: event unrelated events to this, but that also brought Moloch
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Speaker 1: controversy in public was that he there was a body
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Speaker 1: that had been fully decapitated, and he claimed the person
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Speaker 1: died from a stomach ulcer, not from the decapitation, and
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Speaker 1: he said it was because he and then his dog
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Speaker 1: like bit his head off or something. It was like silly,
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Speaker 1: and everyone realized that this guy didn't know what he
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Speaker 1: was doing. But he's employed by the state, so he
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Speaker 1: just kind of becomes the guy that will say whatever
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Speaker 1: the state needs him to say. So that's the main
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Speaker 1: premise that these two kids died. There was a massive
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Speaker 1: cover up. It involved all levels of the local government,
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Speaker 1: the regional government, even all the way up to the
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Speaker 1: White House. And that this is where the story starts
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Speaker 1: to get a little bit crazy.
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Speaker 4: And the fact that like they used the molog I'm
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Speaker 4: so glad you said that, because that was the first
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Speaker 4: thing I heard.
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Speaker 2: I was like doctor Molock, like.
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Speaker 1: Like, wait, they didn't say that, did they?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I had it, Like rewind it. I'm like, maybe I'm
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Speaker 2: not hearing this correctly.
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Speaker 4: And then when they use the marijuana thing right, like, oh, well,
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Speaker 4: they're just smoking some pod devil's lettuce and they passed
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Speaker 4: out and remind you, this is the eighties, so like
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Speaker 4: everybody was super about pop back then. But if you
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Speaker 4: told me that they had drink a fifth or like,
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and they passed on the trap,
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Speaker 4: I might believe that because you can get drunk enough
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Speaker 4: to pass out and not know. I don't know anybody
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Speaker 4: in particular that's gonna be like, I'm so stone dude,
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna lay on the railroad track. I don't
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Speaker 4: I've smoked a lot of my adult life, most of
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Speaker 4: my adult life, and I have never been in scenario
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Speaker 4: like that.
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Speaker 2: If I've ever been in a close scenario to that,
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Speaker 2: it's been with alcohol.
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Speaker 4: But I will say that I really like that they
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Speaker 4: off the bat, they start interviewing people. You get the mom, right,
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Speaker 4: and then and the dad, and they're like, yeah, I
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Speaker 4: think they would know about railroad stuff. I mean, their
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Speaker 4: dad's a railroad engineer. And you're like, okay, this now
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Speaker 4: red flags are popping up everywhere.
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Speaker 2: And this is a traditional conspiracy.
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Speaker 4: Right, This is not ancient aliens like not saying not
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Speaker 4: knocking in the other conspiracies, but this is like the
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Speaker 4: conspiracies that we can show.
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Speaker 2: Hey, here you go, here's the proof go to CIA
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Speaker 2: dot gov.
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Speaker 1: This is true crime, political conspiracy, right that, like an
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Speaker 1: actual crime happened here and no one was ever held
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Speaker 1: accountable for. It's not necessarily an unsolved mystery because according
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Speaker 1: to the state, this has been solved. Accord to the parents,
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Speaker 1: It's definitely not been solved. And I would argue anyone
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Speaker 1: with the quarter of a brain that looks into this
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Speaker 1: and sees all of the different trials that were canceled,
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Speaker 1: all the other federal grand jury investigations that just got canceled,
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Speaker 1: all the witnesses that got murdered, all the people that
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Speaker 1: end up dead around this thing. This was never meant
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Speaker 1: to come to light. And it's actually shocking that we
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Speaker 1: even know of as much as we do about this,
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Speaker 1: based on how secret they try to keep this. So
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Speaker 1: one of the questions they start to answer is why Mina,
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Speaker 1: Why Mina Arkansas? What does this have to do with
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Speaker 1: Iran and Medean cartel and drugs smuggling and George Bush, Like,
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Speaker 1: how does that relate to Mina, Arkansas. Well, the answer
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Speaker 1: was that Mina, Arkansas had this private airport, and the
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Speaker 1: private airport just had basically zero security. There was no
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Speaker 1: one watching it one can, keeping logs and making sure
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Speaker 1: that everything was above board. And this got exploited by
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Speaker 1: a guy named Barry Seal. Barry Seal, if you look
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Speaker 1: in as a wild rabbit hole on its own, like
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Speaker 1: he could have his own documentary series just on him.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, there was a movie from by Tom Cruise.
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Speaker 1: I want to say it was called American Maid. I
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Speaker 1: think that's the name of it, and it's about the
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Speaker 1: Barry Seal story. And Barry Seal was a pilot for
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Speaker 1: the youngest pilot ever in twa and then he signed
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Speaker 1: up for Delta Force, and then he ends up working
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Speaker 1: for the CIA flying Air America. And where Iran and
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Speaker 1: Columbia all kind of come involved here is that one
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Speaker 1: of the missions that he was doing for the CIA
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Speaker 1: was that he would deliver firearms to Iran and make
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Speaker 1: money off of those firearms and then take that money
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Speaker 1: and buy cocaine with it from the Median cartel and
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Speaker 1: then bring that cocaine into the US via Mina Arkansas.
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Speaker 1: And basically they would just do a low flyby and
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Speaker 1: they would drop it. And they had this completely custom
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Speaker 1: rigged airplane. It was specifically made for dropping bales of
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Speaker 1: cocaine onto the ground, and they made a special little
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Speaker 1: aluminum wrapper that they would drop it on and the
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Speaker 1: wrapper would unfold when it hit the ground. It would
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Speaker 1: absorb all the shock I have like a little parachute.
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Speaker 1: Like they had this thing down to an absolute science.
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Speaker 1: And part of the deal that I guess he had
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Speaker 1: worked out allegedly with the government was that, Hey, if
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Speaker 1: I'm doing all these covert operations for you, then I
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Speaker 1: get to keep a kilo for myself every once in
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Speaker 1: a while, and the like this guy can keep a kilo,
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Speaker 1: and that I'm basically you can't touch me on this, Like,
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Speaker 1: you won't ever arrest me for doing cocaine deliveries in
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Speaker 1: this area of this Mena, Arkansas Airport. So what happened
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Speaker 1: is that one night one of these bales happened to
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Speaker 1: drop right where Don Henry and Kevin Ives were hanging out.
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Speaker 1: They went up to inspect it, and right when they
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Speaker 1: went up to inspect it, whatever team showed up to
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Speaker 1: capture these the drugs saw these two kids. The kids
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Speaker 1: saw them, The kids saw what was going on. They
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Speaker 1: had to go because now they just found themselves in
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Speaker 1: the middle of an international arms dealing and drug smuggling operation,
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Speaker 1: which which had tentacles that go way outside of me
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Speaker 1: to Arkansas.
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Speaker 4: Talk about the wrong place at the wrong time. On
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Speaker 4: the highest level, they're just probably kids. They're sixteen seventeen right.
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Speaker 4: Many times when I was younger, I'm sure you could
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Speaker 4: attest to this too, And maybe not the woods because
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Speaker 4: I didn't live in that area, but we traveled and
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Speaker 4: hiked and checked out all kinds of different things around
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Speaker 4: my environment. I've walked so many places and just so
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Speaker 4: happens that they're like, hey, that's weird. These Duffel bags
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Speaker 4: from the sky are just chilling right here. Let's check
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Speaker 4: it out. And at the same time you got cartel
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Speaker 4: members and who else. Who knows who else? Because this
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Speaker 4: is my favorite part of the whole documentary is the
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Speaker 4: guy dropping the loads. Name is Billy Bob bottoms Man.
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Speaker 4: That's gotta be the best name I've ever heard in
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Speaker 4: my life, Billy Bob bottoms It really explains everything. But
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Speaker 4: he's dropping these loads, no put intended, he's dropping these loads.
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Speaker 2: And he even claims like, yeah, we had it perfect.
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Speaker 4: We had these aluminum palettes that were attached to these
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Speaker 4: things so that way when it falls down it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: You know, destroy any of the product.
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Speaker 4: And not only were those kids there, there was other
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Speaker 4: people there because as it unfolds, they start seeing eyewitnesses
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Speaker 4: coming forward to like, go, hey, I saw what happened, right,
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Speaker 4: I saw that there was a guy with a gun
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Speaker 4: and then a shot fired. I saw the front because
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Speaker 4: they said it was so dark, and if you've been
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Speaker 4: in these places when it's so dark, you if there's
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Speaker 4: no light shining towards your way, they can't see you.
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Speaker 4: But since they have some light towards you could see
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Speaker 4: kind of what's going on. And I tend to believe
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Speaker 4: like this is a real, like you said earlier, a
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Speaker 4: true crime conspiracy that is a classic of how the
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Speaker 4: government works.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, Billy Bob Bottom is one of the best
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Speaker 1: names ever. It's his real name, by the way, is
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Speaker 1: William Bottoms, So it is Billy Bob Bottoms. And the
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Speaker 1: important thing of why we're even talking about him is
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Speaker 1: that this is Barry Seal's brother in law. So Barry
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Speaker 1: Seal brings his brother in law and now his brother
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Speaker 1: in law is helping also fly these planes and doing
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Speaker 1: these drops. So not only is Barry Seal dealing with
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Speaker 1: the Median Cartel and with the CIA and the DEA
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Speaker 1: and the NSA. He's got George Herbert Walker's Bush Bush
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Speaker 1: Senior's phone number in his black books. So like this
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Speaker 1: guy is he's kind of like the coke running Epstein
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Speaker 1: in a way, right, Like he's got connections to all
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Speaker 1: the people he brings his brother on. And at the
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Speaker 1: time of this documentary being made, they're interviewing Billy Bomb
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Speaker 1: Billy Bob Bottoms. It's so fun to say they're interviewing
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Speaker 1: him for this episode, right, So it's fascinating that they
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Speaker 1: got this guy on camera. And at this point Barry
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Speaker 1: Seal had already been taken out allegedly by the Median Cartel.
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Speaker 1: If we put our tinfoil hats on, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: be like it was probably the CIA or something, but yeah, whatever,
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Speaker 1: the Median Cartel, Shore and Billy Bob is talking about
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Speaker 1: how the Mina Arc, the Mina Airport is where this
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Speaker 1: was happening. They were doing four to five drops a week,
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Speaker 1: that every single drop was between three hundred and fifteen
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Speaker 1: hundred kilos, and that they were roughly making something like
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Speaker 1: seventy five million dollars. And this is nineteen ninety eight money,
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Speaker 1: which this is depressing, is half of what it is
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. So seventy five million in ninety
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Speaker 1: eight is basically one hundred and fifty million in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. And they made this claim that Barry Seal
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Speaker 1: this time was depositing something like fifty thousand dollars a
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Speaker 1: day into his bank account. So this guy is balling
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Speaker 1: out of control. Billy Bob Bottoms is balling out of control.
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Speaker 1: And they're basically doing this with absolutely no risk aside
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Speaker 1: from maybe getting killed by the Median cartel, which does happen.
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Speaker 4: And one of the claims that make too is Barry
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Speaker 4: Seal's lawyer after his death talks about how he owed
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Speaker 4: the IRS ninety eight million dollars Like.
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Speaker 2: That's wild, Like I've never heard of that in my life.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, ninety eight million, So I'm assuming from
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Speaker 4: all the deposits that he was making. But they never
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Speaker 4: went hard after HIMS for probably obvious reasons.
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Speaker 1: Well, I have heard that the IRS, regardless of how
18:45
Speaker 1: you make your money, even if it's through illegal means,
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Speaker 1: you still have to report that income. So the IRS
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Speaker 1: is like, look, we don't care if you're bringing coke
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Speaker 1: into the country. You just need to pay us based
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Speaker 1: on your profits and then and we won't tell. The
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Speaker 1: other thing two is that they talk about this guy
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Speaker 1: Dan Harmon. So Dan Harmon was the county prosecutor of
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Speaker 1: this case, and he's the one that had the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner say what he said. He's the one that made
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Speaker 1: sure that this didn't go beyond this county case. Even
19:16
Speaker 1: somehow they don't really explain. Everyone's confused by this that
19:20
Speaker 1: they talked and then they bring it up in this documentary,
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Speaker 1: but that there was a grand jury that said that
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Speaker 1: a they had to send all the evidence of the remains,
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Speaker 1: all of the evidence of things found at the crime
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Speaker 1: scene to a separate independent investigative panel, and that this
19:38
Speaker 1: had to go back through trial again. But it just
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Speaker 1: kept getting shut down, that kept getting canceled. And this
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Speaker 1: guy Dan Harmon, who's the county prosecutor, well it turns
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Speaker 1: out that he basically gets popped for like nine to
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Speaker 1: eleven felonies, including drug smuggling and embezzlement, and like this
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Speaker 1: dude was super, super corrupt and even the so he's
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Speaker 1: the one that was preventing this case from proceeding after
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Speaker 1: he gets in trouble, no one still wants to touch it.
20:06
Speaker 1: No one wants to reopen this case. And the parents
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Speaker 1: are sitting there like, this guy's clearly a criminal, and
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Speaker 1: he clearly is the one that killed this case. Why
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Speaker 1: is it still killed even though? And I guess the
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Speaker 1: answer is like, well, because he has someone above him,
20:19
Speaker 1: and that person has someone above him, and if you
20:21
Speaker 1: trace that all the way to the top, it basically
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Speaker 1: leads to Reagan and Bush directly. So yeah, they're they're
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Speaker 1: probably not letting this one slide. Ever, they also mentioned
20:33
Speaker 1: that three months after they're supposed to have this new investigation,
20:40
Speaker 1: that's when Barry Seal gets taken out. Barry Seal's plane
20:44
Speaker 1: gets shot down, American hostages are taken, and on one
20:48
Speaker 1: of those hostages again they find contacts to the NSA,
20:52
Speaker 1: to George Bush and the CIA, and like stitch into
20:55
Speaker 1: their clothing. Even after this happens, even after Barry Seal dies,
21:00
Speaker 1: after the plane and the hostage are taken, they're still
21:04
Speaker 1: running coke through the Mina, Arkansas Airport. So like the
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Speaker 1: kids dying and Barry Seal dying and this making national
21:11
Speaker 1: news still does not stop this operation. And in fact,
21:15
Speaker 1: it rams up. They mentioned in nineteen eighty seven, this
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Speaker 1: company's Southern Air Transport. They move their operations from Miami
21:22
Speaker 1: to Mina and they continue doing even more operations that Eventually,
21:27
Speaker 1: this entire investigation shut down in nineteen ninety one, So
21:33
Speaker 1: this is at least like half a decade after the
21:36
Speaker 1: murders had already happened, and the federal investigation just fizzled out.
21:40
Speaker 1: Nothing happened with that, the grand jury, nothing happened with that.
21:44
Speaker 1: Six years later after that gets shut down. This is
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Speaker 1: when Linda ives Kevin's mom. She gets contacted by two
21:51
Speaker 1: other eyewitnesses, and they're the ones that were like, we
21:53
Speaker 1: were there, we heard gunshots, we saw a flash. It
21:56
Speaker 1: definitely was not two kids just laying on the train
21:59
Speaker 1: tracks getting run over by a train. One of those
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Speaker 1: guys name was Tom Neilhaus. He's the one that says
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Speaker 1: they hear the shot. And then there's another anonymous lady
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Speaker 1: that gets interviewed and like, I don't know if they
22:12
Speaker 1: just didn't have the technology in like nineteen ninety eight
22:16
Speaker 1: when they were making this, but bro I swear as
22:18
Speaker 1: she's talking, she kind of like shifts in her chair
22:21
Speaker 1: and you see like the top half of her face
22:23
Speaker 1: and then it goes back behind the black again, and
22:25
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, I hope she's like, you know,
22:28
Speaker 1: still alive. I hope they didn't like, oh, we know
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Speaker 1: who she is now and they took her out, got her,
22:33
Speaker 1: got her. And then in nineteen ninety five, so like
22:39
Speaker 1: a decade after this happens ninety five, Kevin's mom, Linda ives,
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Speaker 1: she talks directly to the FBI and she's like, look,
22:47
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here. You've you've had
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Speaker 1: you know, grand jury's you've been mandated by the federal
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Speaker 1: government to like reopen this case, investigate. And the FBI
22:57
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, about that. We're so we didn't find
23:01
Speaker 1: any credible evidence of any kind. We didn't find any
23:03
Speaker 1: evidence of wrongdoing. We looked into ourselves, we found ourselves,
23:08
Speaker 1: we didn't do anything wrong. So it's just it's time
23:10
Speaker 1: to drop at Linda. Let's just let's just let this one,
23:13
Speaker 1: you know, go by. And then one of the police
23:17
Speaker 1: that was looking into this, that was Onlinda's side, that's like, yeah,
23:20
Speaker 1: this is fishy, let's look into this. His name was
23:23
Speaker 1: Russell Welch. He slowly starts getting poisoned with anthrax over
23:28
Speaker 1: the mail, and he doesn't die from that. He ends
23:32
Speaker 1: up dying in like twenty twenty, so he survives all
23:34
Speaker 1: of that. But basically every single person involved in this
23:38
Speaker 1: case that came to speak out or that said they
23:41
Speaker 1: saw something was going on or was involved, like ninety
23:44
Speaker 1: percent of them ends up dying through murder or freak
23:48
Speaker 1: accident or passing out on train tracks because they smoked
23:51
Speaker 1: two joints or.
23:53
Speaker 2: Bare minimum were.
23:56
Speaker 4: Threatened or kind of cores to like get away because
23:59
Speaker 4: even the sheriff is like, Eh, my kidney's almost shut down.
24:02
Speaker 2: Then I kind of retired.
24:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like how that anthrax tasted. Like I said,
24:16
Speaker 1: this one came out of my personal vaults. I love
24:20
Speaker 1: this entire series. This was the very first episode that
24:23
Speaker 1: I ever saw of it that made me look into, like,
24:26
Speaker 1: what the hell's is called? What other episodes they have?
24:28
Speaker 1: So I'm sure we'll revisit it. So I would say
24:32
Speaker 1: that the hidden treasures and the overboard moments for this one,
24:35
Speaker 1: the hidden treasure is just the whole episode, the whole series.
24:38
Speaker 1: Dean Stockwell, the ability that they had actual investigative journalism
24:44
Speaker 1: and interviews with the people affected the fact that it's
24:46
Speaker 1: only like a forty minute runtime and it feels like
24:49
Speaker 1: you get a very comprehensive overview. Again, they get into
24:53
Speaker 1: Iran and the Condonistas and Reagan and Bush and like
24:56
Speaker 1: all these and then they spell it all out and
24:59
Speaker 1: you're not left like being confused. If anything, you're like,
25:02
Speaker 1: dam this government's corrupt as hell. That's kind of like
25:04
Speaker 1: the walk away from this. I think it's probably the
25:08
Speaker 1: best TV documentary series on conspiracies I've ever seen in
25:13
Speaker 1: my entire life. This phenomenon lost archives, So I cannot
25:16
Speaker 1: give it higher praise. That is the hidden treasure this
25:19
Speaker 1: entire series, and that the interviews in this documentary most
25:25
Speaker 1: of these people are dead now that we do have
25:28
Speaker 1: direct interviews with eyewitnesses, the mom the prosecutors, the investigators.
25:32
Speaker 1: There's nothing else like this. If you were to try
25:34
Speaker 1: and find another conspiracy documentary series where they go to
25:38
Speaker 1: this level of detail, I just don't think it exists.
25:41
Speaker 1: So I again, hidden treasure is everything I agree with one.
25:46
Speaker 4: Hundred percent, and I don't really have any overboard moments.
25:48
Speaker 4: This is probably up there with one of my favorite
25:51
Speaker 4: documentaries I've ever watched.
25:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any overboard moments. If I had
25:56
Speaker 1: to bend over backwards and come up with the criticism,
25:58
Speaker 1: it's that at the end of this episode, you don't
26:02
Speaker 1: really get any answers. Well, you know who else didn't
26:04
Speaker 1: get any answers. The mom of the deceased, you know
26:07
Speaker 1: kid like she didn't get answers either, So I don't
26:10
Speaker 1: know what I'm expecting watching a TV series if this
26:13
Speaker 1: lady never got closure, So I don't I don't credit
26:16
Speaker 1: that against it. I think that, yeah, this one is
26:18
Speaker 1: free from overboard moments, all hidden treasures, no overboard Gee,
26:27
Speaker 1: I wonder how this is gonna go sink or swim?
26:31
Speaker 4: Swim all the way? This is This was really my alley.
26:35
Speaker 4: This is what I get into of like government conspiracies.
26:39
Speaker 4: Here's the paper trail, here's the proof, here's the dead witnesses,
26:44
Speaker 4: here's everybody like gone that doesn't exist anymore, still trying
26:47
Speaker 4: to fight it, and then they give up because they're like,
26:49
Speaker 4: I've been intimidated enough.
26:50
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to just go start talking about
26:52
Speaker 2: something else. So it's a swim for me all the way.
26:55
Speaker 1: Same here, I mean the reason that I pulled it
26:57
Speaker 1: out of the archives was because this is probably the
27:01
Speaker 1: crown jewel in again, if we have to like make
27:04
Speaker 1: all the qualifiers. But a TV series, like a sequential
27:08
Speaker 1: series about conspiracies, I've got a bunch, just a bunch
27:11
Speaker 1: that I actually like. This is the top of them.
27:14
Speaker 1: And what's crazy to me is again like I don't
27:16
Speaker 1: even know where this aired or when it aired or
27:19
Speaker 1: how it aired. The closest that I got was some
27:21
Speaker 1: forum discussion where someone's like, oh, yeah, they aired that
27:24
Speaker 1: on channel fifty two, and I don't even know what
27:27
Speaker 1: channel fifty two is.
27:28
Speaker 5: Man.
27:28
Speaker 1: The closest I found was a Telemundo channel run by
27:31
Speaker 1: NBC in the late nineties on the West Coast. I
27:34
Speaker 1: don't think that that's it. I have no idea, but yeah,
27:37
Speaker 1: this one is probably completely unheard of. If you've heard
27:41
Speaker 1: of this or if you've seen this before, I'd love
27:44
Speaker 1: to hear about it in the comments, like how did
27:45
Speaker 1: you find it? When did you find it? What did
27:47
Speaker 1: you think of it? I don't have enough good things
27:50
Speaker 1: to say about it, So yeah, all the way swim.
27:53
Speaker 1: And if you want more high praise and you want
27:56
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27:58
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28:01
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28:04
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28:07
Speaker 1: podcast has been going on for how many years? Are
28:10
Speaker 1: you like a decade yet? What's going on?
28:12
Speaker 2: Half a decade?
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