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Sherriff Mikesell on Cooperation with ICE · Richard Randall Show

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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and talk with a person who knows
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  Speaker 1: about law enforcement cooperating with ICE, and that doesn't always
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  Speaker 1: happen here in Colorado or in Minnesota. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see more of that, according to Tom
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  Speaker 1: Holman the other day, saying that you're gonna have more
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  Speaker 1: cooperation up there in Minnesota. David, I've got music going
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  Speaker 1: on here. We're going to talk with Sheriff Jason Mike
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  Speaker 1: Sel And it wasn't long ago. I remember you were
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  Speaker 1: meeting with Jeff Crank and Sheriff Roiball talking about cooperating
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  Speaker 1: with ICE. We'll talk a little bit about the legislature,
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  Speaker 1: but can you talk first about you know, are there
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  Speaker 1: are you thinking that there's gonna be changes among other
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  Speaker 1: sheriffs who haven't collaborated in the past that might be
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  Speaker 1: doing it now because people now understand they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be out there in those neighborhoods looking for some
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  Speaker 1: of these criminals. They could have just picked them up
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  Speaker 1: at the jail before they were released.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Richard Dints, I'm glad to be back on your
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  Speaker 2: show for the first thing, but I will tell you
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  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the bigger issues is picking
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  Speaker 2: people up in a secure environment from jails, from prisons.
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  Speaker 2: Sheriffs aren't going to get involved at this point because
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  Speaker 2: really the state has still has a legislation that says
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  Speaker 2: we can't get involved. But prior to all this, if
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  Speaker 2: I had somebody that was a severe threat, somebody that's
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  Speaker 2: assaulted a woman, or somebody that has an attempted homicide suspect,
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  Speaker 2: and they're arrested, they're gone through the conviction process, they're
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  Speaker 2: put in my jail, I would then transfer them to ICE.
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  Speaker 2: We used to do that with the Department of Correction.
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  Speaker 2: That was back when we actually had very little crime
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Colorado. We were one of the
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  Speaker 2: lowest crime rates in the United States. Since all these
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  Speaker 2: changes have gone to effect, what's really happened is that
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  Speaker 2: you've seen a massive rise in crime in Colorado. And
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of it too for sheriffs. We're
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  Speaker 2: watching people being pushed back into communities where ICE now
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  Speaker 2: has to go after them, forcing them to work within communities,
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  Speaker 2: which puts a community at resk too, because ICE is
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  Speaker 2: going to have to fulfill their duty to arrest these suspects. Well,
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  Speaker 2: these suspects just aren't going to go willingly. Now on
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  Speaker 2: top of it, you've got all kinds of folks pushing
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  Speaker 2: in to try to stop people from being arrested. Both
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand and that these are criminals that they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to arrest that really should be in our prison
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  Speaker 2: system or in our jail system and then release straight
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  Speaker 2: to ice where we wouldn't have them in communities.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I look at what is going on up
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  Speaker 1: to the legislature, and it just seems that gun bill
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  Speaker 1: just went through, but they're talking about you know, qualified immunity, etc.
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  Speaker 1: For people in law enforcement and others. Do you expect
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff Michael to get any help whatsoever with a Democrat
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  Speaker 1: dominated House and Senate here in Colorado and a governor
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  Speaker 1: like this, or we just have to deal with it
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  Speaker 1: and hope that we can win some elections going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we have to hope to win some
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  Speaker 2: elections because right now you've had a multitude of years
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  Speaker 2: of just failure at every level, and the problem is
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  Speaker 2: the leadership trying to have them understand that we in
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement need to be able to do our jobs
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  Speaker 2: without the politics in play. When law enforcement officers have
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  Speaker 2: gone to the state of Colorado and said, hey, the
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  Speaker 2: immigrant law that you're pushing is not smart, then why
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  Speaker 2: would they just go the opposite direction and do it anyways.
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  Speaker 2: So there's just a contempt for law enforcement across the
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  Speaker 2: state within the legislative body, and not all Democrat legislators,
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  Speaker 2: but the very progressive left is what's causing these issues.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at story from the other day
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  Speaker 1: Colorado legislator's advanced proposal allowing lawsuits against federal immigration agents,
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  Speaker 1: which is not you, but you've collaborated with this. Actually
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  Speaker 1: you're a veteran yourself as well. But when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to allowing lawsuits and all the rest of this, it
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  Speaker 1: seems to me that you have a chilling effect on
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  Speaker 1: people in law enforcement because they don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: to lose their pension, their home and all of the rest.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, you know, I would not have faith in
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  Speaker 1: Democrats and a lot of liberal juries on this sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Your thoughts, Sheriff Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't because I've been through eight years of
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  Speaker 2: fighting that battle, right, and that's something I think that's
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  Speaker 2: hard for law enforcement swear to deal with because if
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  Speaker 2: you're a sheriff, you only have eight years for most counties.
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  Speaker 2: So within that whole time frame, you're under lawsuit the
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  Speaker 2: whole time by the ACLU for attempting to do your duty,
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  Speaker 2: and that's protect citizens. And for normal law enforcement officers,
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  Speaker 2: the police officers, the deputy sheriffs, you know, they make
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more of what the state wants to
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  Speaker 2: hit you with of a fifty thousand dollars fine, and
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  Speaker 2: that fifty thousand dollars fine goes to a fund that
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  Speaker 2: is used to be the law or basically the legal
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  Speaker 2: defense fund for illegal immigration suspects in the state of Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Oh stop, sheriff, you swear to God, could you just
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  Speaker 1: repeat that. I'm not trying to be dramatic here, but
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  Speaker 1: I want to just to understand how manipulated these people
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  Speaker 1: are and what they think they can do and get
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  Speaker 1: away with. Could you say that again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, in the state of Colorado, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: sue a law enforcement agency or a law enforcement officer.
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  Speaker 2: The fee or the fifty thousand dollars fine that can
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  Speaker 2: be weighted against the law enforcement officer is then recovered
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  Speaker 2: and then given back to a state fund which is
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  Speaker 2: for the legal defense of illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, and if you would mention again with the average
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  Speaker 1: deputy or you know law enforcement person out there, deputies, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: that would be almost a big chunk of what they
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  Speaker 1: would be earning in a year. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, my starting wage for a jail
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  Speaker 2: deputy is sixty eight thousand dollars a year. My starting
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  Speaker 2: wage for a patrol officer is seventy two thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year. At the max rate for where law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: officers are in the state of Colorado, you're talking anywhere
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  Speaker 2: up to one hundred and some thousand dollars, right, So
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars out of that year is pretty much
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  Speaker 2: everything that they have after taxes anyways. So it's just destroying.
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  Speaker 2: And then plus that, just do you have to go
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  Speaker 2: through the court system and you've got to pay for
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  Speaker 2: your own attorneys. At that point the cost is well
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  Speaker 2: over one hundred thousand dollar for those lostters being sued
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  Speaker 2: by this. Look, you just saw one sued in Mason
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  Speaker 2: County by the state Attorney General, who is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be the person that protects law enforcement and sets laws
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  Speaker 2: regulations for them.
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  Speaker 1: I brought you on to talk about these things, but
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  Speaker 1: I would be remiss and I know I would have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of your supporters and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who are undecided if I didn't talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: your campaign. Can you give us an update on where
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  Speaker 1: you're at with the goubnatorial race? And especially people always
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  Speaker 1: ask me about you and other candidates what they can
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  Speaker 1: do to find out more about you, Sheriff, and what
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  Speaker 1: they can do either by way of financing, writing a check,
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  Speaker 1: or helping out on a campaign as well. I think
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  Speaker 1: most of you know that Sheriff Michel is running for governor.
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff, well, I absolutely can't talk about that because I'm
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  Speaker 2: off duty today, Richard. And here's the thing that I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you. You can find me at mixelforegov dot com
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  Speaker 2: and it's Michel at the number four gov dot com.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing I will also tell you is that, really,
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  Speaker 2: out of all the candidates that are running right now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the only one, if you really look at it,
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  Speaker 2: that understands the business side, because I'm a business owner
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  Speaker 2: and I've created businesses. And I'm also the only one
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  Speaker 2: that understands the law side. And I'm not a career
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  Speaker 2: politician and I'm out there trying to protect citizens every
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  Speaker 2: single day. By being at the legislature and fighting for
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  Speaker 2: the Second Amendment in different issues throughout Colorado. And I
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  Speaker 2: understand all the needs because I'm a third generation Colorado
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  Speaker 2: and but for more than that, it's the support of
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  Speaker 2: the community that I'm getting across the state now that
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  Speaker 2: is really making an impact and I think I'm the
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  Speaker 2: only one that can win a general election in the state.
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  Speaker 1: You've got it. How can people find out more by
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  Speaker 1: way of a website or any appearances that you'll be
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  Speaker 1: making coming up?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, So I will be at the TPUSA in Mason
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  Speaker 2: County to do a debate for them. I've got multiple
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  Speaker 2: two events. You can find it on my schedule on
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  Speaker 2: my website which is mixo fourgov, and you can find
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  Speaker 2: me through all the social media platforms. And I hope
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  Speaker 2: to see a whole lot of you.
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  Speaker 1: You've got it. Thank you so much for taking time
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  Speaker 1: out of your day and so, folks, this is the
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  Speaker 1: way people, and that is I didn't ask him to
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  Speaker 1: come on as a good natorial candidate, because if I
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  Speaker 1: asked any good natorial candidate to come on, of course
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  Speaker 1: I'd say yes. And you should understand there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: talked about about us talking about that. That was a
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  Speaker 1: decision I made right then he was going to talk
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  Speaker 1: to us on his time off about the legislature and
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  Speaker 1: about ice and about all of the rest of that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It impresses me. Overarching question today you heard from President Trump,
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  Speaker 1: and David's going to go ahead and play you that
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  Speaker 1: clip a couple more times over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: show of him saying, you know, he thinks he's done
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  Speaker 1: a good job and done enough good stuff to get
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  Speaker 1: into Heaven. So is it merit based? Is there the
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  Speaker 1: big scales that I used to see, Well, Richard, you
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  Speaker 1: did all of these bad things, but you really did
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  Speaker 1: slightly more good things over here, or is there another
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  Speaker 1: component on this National Day of Prayer? All right, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about BUCkies as well. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the people when BUCkies was proposed up there that
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  Speaker 1: I went to to talk to is the real estate expert,
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  Speaker 1: and that is Barb Schlinker. Your homeshol guaranteed realty. She
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  Speaker 1: knows the value of homes, whether it's going up north
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  Speaker 1: Castle raw Greenland Ranch or going down south out onto
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  Speaker 1: the Eastern Plains. And she knows that because she's been
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  Speaker 1: doing it for twenty years here. You learn a lot
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  Speaker 1: when that happens, and that experience is actually pretty rare.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people will get a real estate license,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't take all that long to do it, and
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  Speaker 1: they really intend to get out there and sell a
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  Speaker 1: lot of homes and stuff, but it turns out that
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  Speaker 1: within seven years or so, five years or so, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of them have stepped away because they were only
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  Speaker 1: selling one home, two homes per year something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Barb sells a home on average about once every thirty
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  Speaker 1: six thirty eight hours, one hundreds per year. That's the
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  Speaker 1: experience you want. And you can give her a call
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  Speaker 1: at seven to one nine three oh one thirty nine hundred,
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  Speaker 1: or you can visit Barbezebuyers dot com. And we were
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  Speaker 1: just talking with Sheriff misl He's got a military background,
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  Speaker 1: if my recollection is right lynd is what Moore's got
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  Speaker 1: a military background as well. And when I talk about
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  Speaker 1: Barb Slinker and how proud I am of her, she
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  Speaker 1: is a Navy veteran as well. Very proud of her.
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  Speaker 1: Your home soould guaranteed realty shortbreak. When we come back,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be talking a little bit more about National Day
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  Speaker 1: of prayer. But we will hear in the next hour
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  Speaker 1: from the vice chair of the GOP, Richard Holdorp, who
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  Speaker 1: steps down, and he said he just couldn't work with
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  Speaker 1: Britta Horn as the second person who did that. But
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  Speaker 1: we'll hear from Britta Horn and get her take on
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  Speaker 1: that as well. Stay tuned seven one nine, seven to
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